The judge was just done with their meal, gets into to the car they are all happy, then looks at the phone and goes "ah f*** now I got to deal with this s***"
While both players just have their arms crossed, passive-aggressively insulting each other and making other uncalled-for remarks for the entire four-hour wait.
@@Shiny_Plume imagine this was a while ago and the judge came in and saw Pole Position shenanigans or a Mystic Mine mirror match. I think he's looking for a new career at that point.
Although this is the longest duel, let’s not pretend like the average DB Judge wait time isn’t like 2.5 hours. Should be a button to force a game cancel after 2h of no judge. But then people would AFK abuse it to boost their unofficial simulator W/L on a random bootleg site.
For real? I used to play on db for years up till md came out and I've never waited for a judge call for more than like 30 minutes and on average I'd say I wouldn't have to wait for more than 15/20 minutes. Has it gotten this bad in the last few months or have I been really lucky the whole time?
Yeah because it’s real people not an AI playing for you like on other Yugioh sims, communication and higher understanding of the game is crucial. Btw DB judges are no better, some get really petty when they lose arguments against a player that presents nothing but facts like sources and screenshots.
@@emmahas2moms8038 I doubt this is true. If you have any replays or whatnot of this happening, can you send them my way? Also keep in mind you're fully in your right to report these kinds of things on the forums, If you think a judge is behaving unprofessionally.
@@itsmetristan3671 I have reported these abuse in power on the DB forums, and guess what happened to both the report itself and the forum page/topic that I created? The report itself was dismissed completely while the page/topic was closed and eventually removed. Now if you try to search for it with my usernames, there aren’t any found despite the page/topic being 3-6 pages in length with at least 8 players commenting back n forth.
@@emmahas2moms8038 If your report was dismissed/denied, that means that the judge was actually in the right (assuming you didn't have a lack of evidence or something).
jonjones is just a troll lol, hes done this before, took insanely long to make basic plays and kept getting offended and called a judge when his opponent called him a kid
Ah yes, Jonjones. I remember dueling them once upon a time. They tried to tell me I missed a response window because they tried to keep playing past me saying "On Summon" and flipping torrential
I've had that happen to me before too. I activated Bottomless Trap Hole on someone's Cyber Dragon Nova and they tried to negate it with the Infinity they summoned on top of it.
Let's cover the rules: Nibiru being in hand is private knowledge. By rules, you may NOT reveal that you have Nibiru in your hand. You may also not tell your opponent that you don't have Nibiru in your hand, as that is revealing private knowledge. Technically speaking, a fringe statement could be, "I might have Nibiru," since that might be revealing private knowledge since it implies Nibiru is in your deck, but it also may not be revealing it since it isn't directly stating such to be the case. The number of summons that a player has conducted in a single turn is public knowledge. You ARE allowed to ask a player how many times they have summoned. Regardless of whether or not you have a Nibiru in your hand, or even in your deck, asking this question is perfectly legal. This would fall under the "Which cards were played during the current turn" section of public knowledge, but if you are keeping a tally then it could also be "Any notes taken by either Duelist during a Duel." You could technically rule shark and say that asking number of summons is revealing Nibiru but it's technically not, since the number of summons is public knowledge and you are free to reference it whenever you want. The same way that asking how many cards are in your opponent's hand is fine, but saying, "I have Heavy Slump, do you have 8 cards in hand?" isn't. Or how asking to see your opponent's GY doesn't necessarily suggest you have any cards that can interact with it. Now, Nibiru is the most relevant card that counts summons so you might consider it to be revealing private knowledge to ask how many summons they're at, but it isn't actually revealing it. By the rules, you can bluff Nibiru but ONLY through implications. For an example that probably WILL be relevant in the future, it's similar to if you look at your opponent's board during your turn and ask them which monsters have activated their effects, this is already relevant to keep track of for cards with OPT clauses but it also will be something that will also be relevant for Kurikara Tendou. However, it's illegal to say, "I have Kurikara Tendou" since that is private knowledge.
Reading this as a newly returning Yu-Gi-Oh player, I get the feeling that people who are good at Yu-Gi-Oh probably have pretty decent potential to be successful lawyers.
i always view mind game is part of the game... it's not my fault if you fall for my bluff of implying that i may have certain card in my hand, it's basically no different than set a useless spell and pretend it as a meaningful trap card. that guy will probably not happy if we play a game cause i always bluff.
For the GY thing, once my opponent told me to play the D.D Crow I had since I checked their grave. I actually didn’t have anything, I was just checking which card had what affect and what to try and negate with Ash. But he sat there and called a judge cuz I “told me he had D.D Crow” and it lead to us nulling the match after I revealed I had no crow in hand.
Even from the start this was ridiculous, how does it take 4 minutes to search and summon mo ye? I don't know what this archetype is but I'm pretty sure I could read every card in the archetype and learn some of the combos in less time than this guy takes to search and summon a card.
i thought it was kind of annoying, in master duel, when your opponent knows you have a hand trap...but that's a lot better than whatever the fuck this was. i'd be done after a 5 minute+ afk.
@@Dylligraphy yep You can also do it on db when somebody says think and then allow you You can think of a few Hts he might have So you make your opponent think fast Because the hand trap stuff And on edopro or MD you can just...turn off chaining until they go into a card you want to hit
@@kucukyilmert yeah, after 5 summons turn on always chain and your opponent rethinks the whole thing Or they are bad and continue without a care in the world
OK so rhat is amazing. Waiting 5 hours, 2 judge calls to make Jon eat some humble pie and then rubbing his face in it is the most highly skilled yugioh I've ever seen.
This is my first learning about the bluffing rule. Back when Magic Cylinder wasn't an uncompetitive card, I said "I set Magic Cylinder", and then my low LP opponent avoided my Magic Cylinder for several turns :( :(
Do judges get paid or something? Cause otherwise why on earth would you spend so much time trying to solve discussions between 2 obnoxious individuals about a card game FOR FREE?
@@yaboyvsauce6769 What he meant to say doesn't matter, what matters is that in the moment he "confirmed" to his opponent that he had nib, which basically ended reds turn.
@@yaboyvsauce6769 Blue definitely misstepped. I'd prob give him a Game Loss if I were judging and walked in right at that moment. He definitely illegally bluffed to gain an advantage.
Thing is, jonjones8 quite does the rule sharking a lot. The other day he got frozen during Coder's stream for the same reason. God knows how long till he learns to behave better...
The extent of legal “bluffing” in YuGiOh is basically just non-verbal facial expressions. Like a look of disappointment when you do in-fact ‘draw the out’
Imagine being so attached to your ladder points and valuing your time so little that doing this is a better option than just calling it quits and forfeiting the match
One time I was up against a Six Sam player doing the infinite counter loop. I said “infinite counters is fine, you can proceed to the end steps or whatever.” The thing is, he had no other plan. He was telling me to scoop because he would just keep putting counters infinitely. I explained this only works in tournament settings where your win condition is time, otherwise you need to burn me or make a board because I can sit here just as long as you can. So I did just that. I made him do it for an hour and a half until he finally quit. Felt good to win a battle of willpower lmfao
*Konami covers Bluffing pretty clearly in the Infraction & Penalty Policy:* "Misrepresenting the Game State is considered Unsporting Conduct - Cheating" EXAMPLE 6 | "A Duelist has Exodia the Forbidden One, Left Leg of the Forbidden One, Left Arm of the Forbidden One, Right Leg of the Forbidden One, and Right Arm of the Forbidden One in his hand, and lies to his opponent about holding a Win Condition, prolonging the Match." This example highlights how a ridiculous gamestate can be created when one player misrepresents the gamestate at any point. Bluffing is a skilll and lying is not bluffing it is cheating. Considering that Rhat said "I can't show you it but yea" it falls under the same scenario as above. You cannot lie to your opponent about your hand contents. This would be an irrepairable gamestate as you can't rewind to the start of the match and this is a deliberate lie, so a warning must be issued at least. Rhat would recieve a Game Loss for this in Tournie as there would be no way to fix the gamestate or prove that JonJones8 wasn't affected by the fake hand information as he clearly states he was and Nibiru is absolutely relevant if declared to your opponent to be in hand even when it isn't. Pretty common scenario but surprised to see that DB doesn't consider this a broken gamestate, there's plenty of content in the policy that specifically states scenarios like these are not fixable and if intentionally caused by one player should be taken seriously.
Question: Didnt Jon *assume* he had nibiru ? since the opponent just asked how many monsters did he summon ? which is not a lie, he did not SAY I have nib, but only he the summon. and concerning the "I cant show *it* to you" came after he assumed it and he could easily tell him "the "it" doesnt goes after nibiru exactly BUT on the card I have intenion to use" this is my point of view.
@@otangakudyokeman7124 No jonjones was right in the Nibiru situation. That type of bluffing is 100% not allowed. You can't even imply you have any type of cards in hand. You're not supposed to talk about private knowledge locations.
@@otangakudyokeman7124 Rhat said "I cant show it to you but yea" in response to jon saying "how do i know you have nib" he literally said yea, this is lying.
@@otangakudyokeman7124 No. The opponent specifically stated that they had just attempted to illegally activate Nibiru, which means that they had Nibiru in hand. As they didn’t have Nibiru, this is lying. EDIT: Capitalization.
Still think the judge was 100% wrong in this, though. If you said IRL "thinking" followed by "Oh wait, that's the 4th summon" to then say "ah no I can't activate my nibiru, can't show you but yeah." You're 100% getting kicked out of the event for lying. There is no world this is permitted. It's baffling a DB judge let it through.
I remember having a long game that lasted about 5 hours or more Was on dueling nexus a few years ago, and it wasn’t like this but an actual battle that lasted super long, I was playing hieratic vs a stall destiny board, and we kept recovery stuff and interrupting that we just lasted forever before I died to slow lp chipping. It was like turn 56 or a bit longer, I would have preferred something like this video as it’s kinda funnier.
The only game I played that lasted this long was war... we each ended up controlling a 3rd of the world and the 4th guy died at some point... there was no end in sight, so we just called for world piece and ended the game.
@@alicepbg2042 literally 1984. Note: if you don’t get the joke it’s because in the book 1984 three gigantic countries duked it in war for decades at that point
So yeah, more reason to stick to Master Duel, no matter how scuffed the meta and banlist is. Human interaction is the shittiest possible thing in any TCG.
So you can use mind crush declare and you don't have to reveal anything and yet there's a policy that prevents people from making bluffs. Someone please help me understand what's going on here
I've still got a replay of Cristian Urena going off on Dueling Book judges when they tried to penalize him for an unintentional illegal play his opponent caught a few turns later. A 3 hour wait time for a judge, toxic players, massive lag spikes, missing main menu and profile features, this manual simulator has become straight garbage.
ok to obviously jonjones was being a silly goose here (and in all of the other duels I've ever seen him in), but, in fairness, I would also feel super cheated if my opponent effectively told me he had nib in hand just to avoid losing a round. Like that was kind of a scummy move.
Asking about amount of summons is public information. He never explicitly said "I have nib", the "but yeah" can be interpreted as english not being the first language OR referencing to something else. Really, Jon just assumed he had nib.
Judge here: While bluffing like that is not technically against the rules, it walks a very fine line. If you have no possible interaction and take the time to say “thinking” or bluff something that you do not have, it can be ruled as stalling. (This is assuming there is a time limit.) As Farfa and the other judge said, saying you have a card that you actually do not have, or attempting to implicate so very obviously, is not legal.
Except that revealing any sort of private information is in fact against the rules it's literally on konami's website. Therefore the only reasonable stoppage would be to read a card or if you have a response. If you don't have a response or a card that can be activated you're literally stalling.
Konami’s pretty clear on bluffing; misrepresenting/Lying about the game state in any way is considered cheating and unsporting. They give an extreme example but it shows how it can lead to dumb situations. They give the example of someone having all 5 exodia pieces but saying they don’t to artificially extend the match. Likewise, implying something to your opponent which influences their decisions is considered unsportsmanlike and is punishable. It’s one of the few things Konami is crystal clear about; No bluffing, No lying, No misrepresenting.
@@jk844100 Coming from MtG, it's really weird because MtG tournament policy allows you to bluff as long as it's private information. You're only not allowed to misrepresent public information.
@@Scapegoat-po2ou DuelingBook does simulate tcg and ocg formats. Master Duel is what Konami is doing to unite both formats into one. What I was referring to in my comment was the fact that on DB you have to wait so long for a judge. Which, 9 times out of 10, is over some petty b.s. Different strokes for different folks mate.
At my last locals I was playing bird up, had Apollousa and revolt set and my opponent ended his turn and I forgot to activate revolt and he was like "Not activating anything? We can go back for a second before your turn starts so you can activate" and me being a dumbass at my second ever locals just said oh yeah revolt and activated it. He had ghost belle. I say shrug well you got me with this and he's like "not negating it?" and I was like oh yeah I have Apollousa, okay I negate it >framegear Idk if this is allowed or anything but I blame this on me for being stupid
He's been using two different alt accounts and judges haven't done anything to those. Than it took jonjones over a year maybe even two years to get banned.
"Only one more duel before bed"
"why do I hear birds 🙂"
@@thalente8074 :')
OMG could you imagine x'D
Imagine dueling in real life and when you call a judge, both you & opponent wait for 4 hours because judge comes driving from next city lmao
The judge was just done with their meal, gets into to the car they are all happy, then looks at the phone and goes "ah f*** now I got to deal with this s***"
While both players just have their arms crossed, passive-aggressively insulting each other and making other uncalled-for remarks for the entire four-hour wait.
Are you from Texas?
And the judge finally comes in, looks at the board state, and says “yeah this is all fine. Keep playing” and leaves.
@@Shiny_Plume imagine this was a while ago and the judge came in and saw Pole Position shenanigans or a Mystic Mine mirror match. I think he's looking for a new career at that point.
Although this is the longest duel, let’s not pretend like the average DB Judge wait time isn’t like 2.5 hours. Should be a button to force a game cancel after 2h of no judge. But then people would AFK abuse it to boost their unofficial simulator W/L on a random bootleg site.
For real? I used to play on db for years up till md came out and I've never waited for a judge call for more than like 30 minutes and on average I'd say I wouldn't have to wait for more than 15/20 minutes. Has it gotten this bad in the last few months or have I been really lucky the whole time?
@@vhagar2903 You must play when the judges are actually online
@@vhagar2903 Depending on the time of day, yea it gets this bad
If you're waiting 2.5 hours for DB elo, it's not a judges problem- it's a you problem LOL
@@vhagar2903 depends on timezone you live and when you play
"you will never get close to my skill"
*plays the easiest synchro deck ever made*
and takes 4 minutes per action
Not even the tengyi version just pure swordsoul and tell people he's skill
@@nguyentandung42 …He had a Tenyi in G1?
not rly, swordsoul takes a lot of skill to play at a high level, but to be fair, im not sure this guy was exactly high level
And cheated, cuz you can only use 1 eff on Chixia perturn, he used both
Dueling book judges are subjected to psychological torture on a regular basis because these players are just really weird
Yeah because it’s real people not an AI playing for you like on other Yugioh sims, communication and higher understanding of the game is crucial. Btw DB judges are no better, some get really petty when they lose arguments against a player that presents nothing but facts like sources and screenshots.
@@emmahas2moms8038 I doubt this is true. If you have any replays or whatnot of this happening, can you send them my way? Also keep in mind you're fully in your right to report these kinds of things on the forums, If you think a judge is behaving unprofessionally.
@@itsmetristan3671 I have several recorded on my profile, Crimson7Reaper & Crimson0Reaper.
@@itsmetristan3671 I have reported these abuse in power on the DB forums, and guess what happened to both the report itself and the forum page/topic that I created? The report itself was dismissed completely while the page/topic was closed and eventually removed. Now if you try to search for it with my usernames, there aren’t any found despite the page/topic being 3-6 pages in length with at least 8 players commenting back n forth.
@@emmahas2moms8038 If your report was dismissed/denied, that means that the judge was actually in the right (assuming you didn't have a lack of evidence or something).
jonjones is just a troll lol, hes done this before, took insanely long to make basic plays and kept getting offended and called a judge when his opponent called him a kid
Didn't DB Grinder even show a match with him as well? DB said he would pull a "jonjones" lol
@@elementalherosparkman168 yep I knew what was going down when I saw his name
"I'll never forget this duel ever"
That's just a free identification that he is a kid lol.
Yeah he is always taking forever to do anything, even the most basic things
How so many people know him ?
Ah yes, Jonjones. I remember dueling them once upon a time. They tried to tell me I missed a response window because they tried to keep playing past me saying "On Summon" and flipping torrential
I've had that happen to me before too. I activated Bottomless Trap Hole on someone's Cyber Dragon Nova and they tried to negate it with the Infinity they summoned on top of it.
@@jacobmonks3722 lmao
jonjon: do I know anything you have?
Rhat *with an empty hand*: nib maybe
jonjon to Rhat who *still* has an empty hand: liar
Gold
"Counting summons is fine"
"That's cheating"
Let's cover the rules:
Nibiru being in hand is private knowledge. By rules, you may NOT reveal that you have Nibiru in your hand. You may also not tell your opponent that you don't have Nibiru in your hand, as that is revealing private knowledge. Technically speaking, a fringe statement could be, "I might have Nibiru," since that might be revealing private knowledge since it implies Nibiru is in your deck, but it also may not be revealing it since it isn't directly stating such to be the case.
The number of summons that a player has conducted in a single turn is public knowledge. You ARE allowed to ask a player how many times they have summoned. Regardless of whether or not you have a Nibiru in your hand, or even in your deck, asking this question is perfectly legal. This would fall under the "Which cards were played during the current turn" section of public knowledge, but if you are keeping a tally then it could also be "Any notes taken by either Duelist during a Duel."
You could technically rule shark and say that asking number of summons is revealing Nibiru but it's technically not, since the number of summons is public knowledge and you are free to reference it whenever you want. The same way that asking how many cards are in your opponent's hand is fine, but saying, "I have Heavy Slump, do you have 8 cards in hand?" isn't. Or how asking to see your opponent's GY doesn't necessarily suggest you have any cards that can interact with it. Now, Nibiru is the most relevant card that counts summons so you might consider it to be revealing private knowledge to ask how many summons they're at, but it isn't actually revealing it. By the rules, you can bluff Nibiru but ONLY through implications.
For an example that probably WILL be relevant in the future, it's similar to if you look at your opponent's board during your turn and ask them which monsters have activated their effects, this is already relevant to keep track of for cards with OPT clauses but it also will be something that will also be relevant for Kurikara Tendou. However, it's illegal to say, "I have Kurikara Tendou" since that is private knowledge.
Reading this as a newly returning Yu-Gi-Oh player, I get the feeling that people who are good at Yu-Gi-Oh probably have pretty decent potential to be successful lawyers.
i always view mind game is part of the game... it's not my fault if you fall for my bluff of implying that i may have certain card in my hand, it's basically no different than set a useless spell and pretend it as a meaningful trap card.
that guy will probably not happy if we play a game cause i always bluff.
wait, thats retarded xD so basically i cant ever talk about private info? Its a rules violation to say "i have 18 blue-eyes in my hand" ? xD
For the GY thing, once my opponent told me to play the D.D Crow I had since I checked their grave. I actually didn’t have anything, I was just checking which card had what affect and what to try and negate with Ash. But he sat there and called a judge cuz I “told me he had D.D Crow” and it lead to us nulling the match after I revealed I had no crow in hand.
@@johnwalker1058 I mean because those guys actually read the fine print.
Of course they would wait 3+ hours - it's not about playing Yugioh, it's about proving someone's wrong on the internet.
Also ygo players have no life outside of the game most of the times so they're not losing much
@@entiendemierda3849 Could use that time to play ygo
When the duel last longer than you:
I mean even a robot won't last 5 hours man it will run out of battery
I mean... if you last longer than this duel... call me.
@@blazeraz7666 u mean to tell me my hatsune miku robo waifu can't last for more than 5 hours in my room? 😭😢😰
@@alicepbg2042 yo I can do an hour both on duels and other things (includes taking a shit and washing the dishes tbh) what's your number?
@@suisui5930 Sanest Sky Striker player.
Even from the start this was ridiculous, how does it take 4 minutes to search and summon mo ye? I don't know what this archetype is but I'm pretty sure I could read every card in the archetype and learn some of the combos in less time than this guy takes to search and summon a card.
swordsoul is definitely a deck you can learn in an instant after reading. Deck plays itself,your lines are extremely basic
It's basically a feeder deck that can't grind and is a bye
You’ve never seen swordsoul?
Its one of the stupidest decks currently in the format, not surprised one can figure it out quicker than it takes for this dude to normal summon.
Pure swordsoul required absolutely no brain power whatsoever so this guy is probably just intentionally staling and being a dick
"do I know what you have"
"Nib maybe" (0 cards in hand)
"I think you are lying"
Just for the record, my longest duel ever was 2.5 hours long - 2 hours and 10 minutes consisting of just waiting for a judge to arrive.
At this point jonjones needs to be banned from Dueling Book. He's been a constant problem.
How the hell is he not yet lmao
HE CAN'T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH THIS
@@Dylligraphy its not a coincidence his nickname is jonjones "8", he's been banned multiple times, and its well known for this
You know you're an asshole when you've named yourself after one of the biggest drugged up assholes in mma
@@gabrielmonteiro8856 getting banned 7x and still wanting to play lmao. Mans is ill for sure
Why do you even play on that platform? Dueling Nexus and Master Duel do all the ruling for you
i thought it was kind of annoying, in master duel, when your opponent knows you have a hand trap...but that's a lot better than whatever the fuck this was. i'd be done after a 5 minute+ afk.
idk reading delays adds another skill to the game imo
@@Dylligraphy yep
You can also do it on db when somebody says think and then allow you
You can think of a few Hts he might have
So you make your opponent think fast Because the hand trap stuff
And on edopro or MD you can just...turn off chaining until they go into a card you want to hit
@@idkjustputagoodname6120 and in edopro if yo use always chain you can also bait your opponent
@@kucukyilmert yeah, after 5 summons turn on always chain and your opponent rethinks the whole thing
Or they are bad and continue without a care in the world
@@idkjustputagoodname6120 i always give ash bait then turn off chain until summon 5
OK so rhat is amazing. Waiting 5 hours, 2 judge calls to make Jon eat some humble pie and then rubbing his face in it is the most highly skilled yugioh I've ever seen.
You could use your time wisely, or you could play dueling book.
Nah I'm just watch the 10 hour nyan cat video
This is almost the duration of your average MtG duel
This is my first learning about the bluffing rule. Back when Magic Cylinder wasn't an uncompetitive card, I said "I set Magic Cylinder", and then my low LP opponent avoided my Magic Cylinder for several turns :( :(
this guy is pretty famous fot this kind of shit.
Thanks for existing jonjone
You make my day everytime
"nib maybe"
God I fucking love this dude
Do judges get paid or something? Cause otherwise why on earth would you spend so much time trying to solve discussions between 2 obnoxious individuals about a card game FOR FREE?
Exposure :)
@@Farfa seems like a lot of stress for what it's worth tbh
@@MartinStribing dont they get alot of monèy cus of donations?
@@Sasukeuchiha-wm9np fuck no
@@Sasukeuchiha-wm9np hmm not sure, I don't use DB. Someone in the comments said they get like 20,000 a year?
Nice of Duel Log to make an appearance in this video
Blue saying "I cant show it to you but yea" is literally lying and saying yes i do in response to red saying "How do i know you have nib."
He clarified that he was meaning to say yea, you don’t know if I have nib.
@@yaboyvsauce6769 What he meant to say doesn't matter, what matters is that in the moment he "confirmed" to his opponent that he had nib, which basically ended reds turn.
@@yaboyvsauce6769 If he clarified in the moment it'd be understandable but he only clarified when a judge was called.
@@yaboyvsauce6769 Blue definitely misstepped. I'd prob give him a Game Loss if I were judging and walked in right at that moment. He definitely illegally bluffed to gain an advantage.
Thing is, jonjones8 quite does the rule sharking a lot. The other day he got frozen during Coder's stream for the same reason. God knows how long till he learns to behave better...
the best comment was phantom knights of fragile baby I laughed so hard when I saw that
Some say jonjones is still crying about it.
i think jonjones8 is known on db to be an INSANE child, rages all the time for nothing and it's kinda funny
My man Jon is really out here roleplaying Seto Kaiba on DB.
yugioh community in a nuthshell roflmao. What a jewel of a match with trucks of salt, tears, clumsyness and judges.
The extent of legal “bluffing” in YuGiOh is basically just non-verbal facial expressions.
Like a look of disappointment when you do in-fact ‘draw the out’
its one of my favourite things to do against kash.
I look at my hand and act annoyed/ dissapointed so they play into nibiru :)
Bro was really just playing DMV simulator waiting for the judge call
I think the longest game I had was like a 45 minute, 16 turn long duel against Drytron with my Monarchs in Master Duel and I felt so drained.
In all honesty my internet connection would have died of while waiting there
Man acts like the real Jon Jones LOL
I don't know who's dumber, The Ruleshark guy or the one who actually waited just to see him lose the argument
Imagine being so attached to your ladder points and valuing your time so little that doing this is a better option than just calling it quits and forfeiting the match
I couldn’t force myself to wait more than an hour for a judge. After an hour the opponent can just have it.
jonjones always with the “I have to pee”
Looked over to the right and it all made sense.
didn't farfa also wait ages against the opponent "are you Italian? now is all clare"
One time I was up against a Six Sam player doing the infinite counter loop. I said “infinite counters is fine, you can proceed to the end steps or whatever.”
The thing is, he had no other plan. He was telling me to scoop because he would just keep putting counters infinitely. I explained this only works in tournament settings where your win condition is time, otherwise you need to burn me or make a board because I can sit here just as long as you can.
So I did just that. I made him do it for an hour and a half until he finally quit. Felt good to win a battle of willpower lmfao
lol
Based
That doesn't even work in tournament because IRL, you need to declare how many times you do the loop, you cant just do the loop forever.
nah fr that judge wait is actually insane, 3 hours???
we need bot judges
Bluffing being an illegal move if one of then dumbest rules in all of Yu-Gi-Oh... And there are actual a lot of those.
*Konami covers Bluffing pretty clearly in the Infraction & Penalty Policy:*
"Misrepresenting the Game State is considered Unsporting Conduct - Cheating"
EXAMPLE 6 | "A Duelist has Exodia the Forbidden One, Left Leg of the Forbidden One, Left Arm of the Forbidden One, Right Leg of the Forbidden One, and Right Arm of the Forbidden One in his hand, and lies to his opponent about holding a Win Condition, prolonging the Match."
This example highlights how a ridiculous gamestate can be created when one player misrepresents the gamestate at any point. Bluffing is a skilll and lying is not bluffing it is cheating. Considering that Rhat said "I can't show you it but yea" it falls under the same scenario as above. You cannot lie to your opponent about your hand contents. This would be an irrepairable gamestate as you can't rewind to the start of the match and this is a deliberate lie, so a warning must be issued at least. Rhat would recieve a Game Loss for this in Tournie as there would be no way to fix the gamestate or prove that JonJones8 wasn't affected by the fake hand information as he clearly states he was and Nibiru is absolutely relevant if declared to your opponent to be in hand even when it isn't. Pretty common scenario but surprised to see that DB doesn't consider this a broken gamestate, there's plenty of content in the policy that specifically states scenarios like these are not fixable and if intentionally caused by one player should be taken seriously.
Question: Didnt Jon *assume* he had nibiru ? since the opponent just asked how many monsters did he summon ? which is not a lie, he did not SAY I have nib, but only he the summon. and concerning the "I cant show *it* to you" came after he assumed it and he could easily tell him "the "it" doesnt goes after nibiru exactly BUT on the card I have intenion to use"
this is my point of view.
Nice try jonjones8
@@otangakudyokeman7124 No jonjones was right in the Nibiru situation. That type of bluffing is 100% not allowed. You can't even imply you have any type of cards in hand. You're not supposed to talk about private knowledge locations.
@@otangakudyokeman7124 Rhat said "I cant show it to you but yea" in response to jon saying "how do i know you have nib" he literally said yea, this is lying.
@@otangakudyokeman7124 No. The opponent specifically stated that they had just attempted to illegally activate Nibiru, which means that they had Nibiru in hand. As they didn’t have Nibiru, this is lying.
EDIT: Capitalization.
Good ol rhat boonington, shenanigans at real events, shenanigans on dueling book. Smh
Still think the judge was 100% wrong in this, though.
If you said IRL "thinking" followed by "Oh wait, that's the 4th summon" to then say "ah no I can't activate my nibiru, can't show you but yeah." You're 100% getting kicked out of the event for lying. There is no world this is permitted. It's baffling a DB judge let it through.
this is why dueling book will never die out, master duel has nothing on this
And this is why I don't go in dueling book
This is legit one of coders Calls
8:26 lmaoooo you know jones was boiling when reading this
Meanwhile in master duel, the only judge is Maxx C
I remember having a long game that lasted about 5 hours or more
Was on dueling nexus a few years ago, and it wasn’t like this but an actual battle that lasted super long, I was playing hieratic vs a stall destiny board, and we kept recovery stuff and interrupting that we just lasted forever before I died to slow lp chipping. It was like turn 56 or a bit longer, I would have preferred something like this video as it’s kinda funnier.
The only game I played that lasted this long was war... we each ended up controlling a 3rd of the world and the 4th guy died at some point...
there was no end in sight, so we just called for world piece and ended the game.
@@alicepbg2042 literally 1984.
Note: if you don’t get the joke it’s because in the book 1984 three gigantic countries duked it in war for decades at that point
@@simonpetrikov3992 did they also go "you know what? fuck it" and did something else?
@@alicepbg2042 no legends say they kept fighting for eternity
man TCG sims are sweaty af huh
And this is why I always stuck with EDO over Duelbook.
So called free thinkers when they
think
Jon Jones sure is living up to his name lmao
So yeah, more reason to stick to Master Duel, no matter how scuffed the meta and banlist is.
Human interaction is the shittiest possible thing in any TCG.
So you can use mind crush declare and you don't have to reveal anything and yet there's a policy that prevents people from making bluffs. Someone please help me understand what's going on here
Good to see Jon Jones getting into yugioh and staying out of trouble. Hopefully he'll be ready for Stipe in September 😂
Duelingbook chat is entertaining af
long story short my guy fell for a nibiru bluff lol
No cards in hand..."Who knows I might have Nibiru" *Shrugs*
Honestly, I just want to buy Lund a drink after that, jesus christ.
Great video, and the thumbnail is brilliant.
Jonjones8 the most civilized synchro player
Jonjon gonna have ptsd of the phrase "on ns"
They took an entire day of locals worth of time to play a single game. Think about that.
Certified Dueling Book moment
I saw this on distant coder’s livestream this duel was very interesting
Plot twist, they did all of this on ourpose for farfa content
I've still got a replay of Cristian Urena going off on Dueling Book judges when they tried to penalize him for an unintentional illegal play his opponent caught a few turns later. A 3 hour wait time for a judge, toxic players, massive lag spikes, missing main menu and profile features, this manual simulator has become straight garbage.
no way I dueled this guy myself like 2 months ago
well it's an illegal activation of nibiru since he didn't have it in hand
imagine jon with kaiba's voice and rhat with joey's voice
ok to obviously jonjones was being a silly goose here (and in all of the other duels I've ever seen him in), but, in fairness, I would also feel super cheated if my opponent effectively told me he had nib in hand just to avoid losing a round. Like that was kind of a scummy move.
So you feel it's fair when you get to know your opponent hand but not when it's used against you?
@@hieutora Hm? Optimally that card would have remained unknown.
Asking about amount of summons is public information.
He never explicitly said "I have nib", the "but yeah" can be interpreted as english not being the first language OR referencing to something else.
Really, Jon just assumed he had nib.
@@profanemagic5671 Dude don't act in bad faith here. He was CLEARLY trying to imply he had nib.
@@quakins6814 yea he was, but by technicality he didn't really say anything for certain. Again the comment too far was dealt eith
No shock that its jonjones, every db grinder replay with him is insanely toxic.
Schrödinger's Nibiru
Inless there was money on the line I would have said f it and lift
Jon Jones is constantly stalling on DB. Dude seriously needs to get banned.
8:37 If i was the judge i would have given permaban for both
Judge here: While bluffing like that is not technically against the rules, it walks a very fine line. If you have no possible interaction and take the time to say “thinking” or bluff something that you do not have, it can be ruled as stalling. (This is assuming there is a time limit.) As Farfa and the other judge said, saying you have a card that you actually do not have, or attempting to implicate so very obviously, is not legal.
He had a set Revolt he could use in response so I guess he was in its right to think on summon
From what I can tell blue did explicitly say they have Nib when they didn’t, which is illegal.
Except that revealing any sort of private information is in fact against the rules it's literally on konami's website. Therefore the only reasonable stoppage would be to read a card or if you have a response. If you don't have a response or a card that can be activated you're literally stalling.
In this situation, what they said directly meant that they had nib in hand. They didn't technically say "I have nib," but they might as well have.
This match is the proof that creating a card game school in yugioh gx was not a crazy idea.
This dude really wanted to tell him he had no skill when he's literally playing another flavor of ns aleister
seems like a Sky Striker Ace - Roze Normal match but done in a bad way
Farfa you should make a video asking chat for their most blatant rule shark stories they had
This has better lore than Albaz or World Legacy.
I will never understand Yu-Gi-Oh bluffing policy and tournament policies in general
Konami’s pretty clear on bluffing; misrepresenting/Lying about the game state in any way is considered cheating and unsporting.
They give an extreme example but it shows how it can lead to dumb situations. They give the example of someone having all 5 exodia pieces but saying they don’t to artificially extend the match.
Likewise, implying something to your opponent which influences their decisions is considered unsportsmanlike and is punishable.
It’s one of the few things Konami is crystal clear about; No bluffing, No lying, No misrepresenting.
@@jk844100 Coming from MtG, it's really weird because MtG tournament policy allows you to bluff as long as it's private information. You're only not allowed to misrepresent public information.
@@tabbune Konami says private information must stay private. You can’t reveal private information (even if it turns out to not be true)
@@jk844100 Yes, and I'm saying that's strange because I come from MtG where you are allowed to lie about private information
@@tabbune I know I was just saying
not the longest, seen someone else wait for a judge for either 8 or 9 hours but it was entertaining regardless
And this is why Master Duel is the better simulator.
If only it simulated a real format.
@@Scapegoat-po2ou DuelingBook does simulate tcg and ocg formats. Master Duel is what Konami is doing to unite both formats into one.
What I was referring to in my comment was the fact that on DB you have to wait so long for a judge. Which, 9 times out of 10, is over some petty b.s.
Different strokes for different folks mate.
now jono account has been frozen by distant coder.
At my last locals I was playing bird up, had Apollousa and revolt set and my opponent ended his turn and I forgot to activate revolt and he was like "Not activating anything? We can go back for a second before your turn starts so you can activate" and me being a dumbass at my second ever locals just said oh yeah revolt and activated it. He had ghost belle. I say shrug well you got me with this and he's like "not negating it?" and I was like oh yeah I have Apollousa, okay I negate it >framegear
Idk if this is allowed or anything but I blame this on me for being stupid
Also some players in the game are very semantical and it drives me nuts 🙃
lmao the ace attorney music
If they ever add Bo3 to Master Duel they should recreate this
It’s time to duel… forever r
Thankfully Jonjones is banned
He's been using two different alt accounts and judges haven't done anything to those. Than it took jonjones over a year maybe even two years to get banned.
This is exactly why I stopped playing on DB. Im just on edopro and ygopro now.