The Problem with Jordan Peterson
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Broadcast on October 25, 2018
Never be an unquestioning fan of anyone or anything. Question EVERYTHING.
Wand Exactly. That's my motto and I still have to be careful , because I think it is human nature for people to slack off on questioning when they agree with someone on several topics ("we are on the same page of everything"). I think Trump thrives on this flaw in people's reasoning. Trump sets the stage by catering to what he knows are their core beliefs and after that (we see eye to eye) connection, he can do no wrong. Trump is a moron overall, but he certainly realizes how to exploit the most basic human nature (visceral). It "feel" good to see eye to eye with others ("they get me").
Why? :P
Questioning is addictive and can isolate you but it's still well worth it once you realize that a lot of people like JP etc are asleep
"Questions climate change"- we gotta jail these ppl.
@@lewisbilly12353 what do you mean?
Fair critique. I knew that there is something dubious when everything a persona says seems indisputably agreeable. Diversifying and expanding your knowledge is salient.
christ -that was so well said. finally someone who, (in a nut shell), managed to capture and articulate what i've been kind of feeling about JP and his lot for ages.
and luckily there are great resources for in-depth critique of certain political things he says "Peter Joseph - Critique of Jordan B. Peterson" or uploads by "zero books", or even articles by zizek himself... or just reading some chomsky...
This is a great video, but i think it's framed incorrectly. This is more of a criticism with petersons fans, and a warning not to take Peterson as gospel. That's true, but i am reluctant to blame those on Peterson himself.
If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; but if you really make them think, they'll hate you.
- Don Marquis
Ummm...if your quoting someone make sure to use quotation marks. “Like this” by Javier
@@JavierRamirez-lx4ev jahvier×
@@JavierRamirez-lx4ev Ummm... Wow, thanks.
By the way, if you are attempting to connect the words you and are, that contraction is spelled: "you're".
why? I think it was quite clear that this was a quote. quotation marks are an instrument to help eliminate ambiguity. paul's post had none to eliminate. it is perfectly acceptable to quote the way he did when there is no chance of misunderstanding
@@forestl-m6261 Thank you for pointing that out in the friendly manner I should have but was at a loss for [in responding to Javier]. It's nice to see people so concerned about the correct use of language...
In short: Don't be a fanatic and always take everything with a grain of salt.
*with
@fjf sjdnx ???
Emmanuel Gabion Why do I need a grain of salt? That’s a bit strange.
Absolutely true. I like Peterson, I listen to his lectures a lot and his thoughts helped me in my life. However, while listening to him, I always have in mind, that not everything that he says is true/relatable to me, so I always trying to be aware of not being fooled.
It's a pinch of salt and not everything should be 'taken too lightly', which is the meaning behind it, imao.
I find him conflicted, disingenuous, angry and resentful
To everyone you look up too.....take what you need frm their philosophy and keep it moving.
Best advice on the page. That's been my phylosophy for decades.
This is what should be the motto of our lives. 🙌🙌
There is a reason why Peterson never smiles and when he does it's just a little smirk. He has obviously so many demons because he believes that the only way to become a hero is to become a monster/devil but at the same time not allowing this monster/devil to posses you which is IMPOSSIBLE!
You can't open the door to devil and use it only when necessary and than put it back in the corner. Once you let the enemy in he will take it all. So many ignorant people see Peterson as a hero not realizing that he is actually like a miserable ticking bomb.
...or look up to God... it's easier.
This should be renamed, "The problem with Peterson's 'Fanboys."
Definitely, or more accurately "The problem with celebrity culture", where people place great value on the views of other people simply because that other person is a celebrity and not because they have any actual expertise in the subject matter at hand. It is a problem far from unique to fans of Jordan Peterson.
Who cares what the Kardashians think about anything other than fashion, or what way Kanye is going to vote or that Kathy Griffen is triggered AGAIN....
As for Jordan speaking on matters outside his expertise the solution is simple, Stop asking him about them! This is why people were laughing about the Australian woman asking him about fixing climate change, he never said he was an expert on the environment so you achieved nothing by showing he had no answers for climate change.
Agreed.
@James Dowds my hero nothing, he's an interesting thinker, nothing more. He is too religiously oriented and constantly uses various ploys to play for more time to think as people then stupidly think his eventual answer is off the cuff and ohh and ahh. I just think it's pathetic when people like you try to tear someone down and can't even go after the real person for their actual flaws but have to make up a strawman of them instead, just shows you to be a far lesser being than your target.
Love him, hate him. He's doing alot of good for alot people. Those hardcore fanboys are probably those who have benefited most. But yea, descending into blind following is never good..
@@daivahataka He's not really an interesting thinker though that's the thing. It becomes pretty clear when you really look at what he's saying, or watch him try to talk to someone who's educated. You have to really pay attention, because he drones on with these 50 word sentences of him talking in circles and making very little sense, he loses people and they figure it's just a bit too intelligent and complex for them to follow. He's not your hero yet here you are making excuses for him and attacking his critics. You're clearly a bigger fan than you admit. At least you have the sense to be embarrassed about it.
Finally someone who criticizes Jordan without clearly showing they just hate everything about him good constructive criticism bro
I " like" him sometimes; however, even Carl Jung was known to say on more than one occasion- " Thank God I am Jung..and not a Jungian!" Good job.
@matt when I researched Jordan Peterson I find arrogance and hypocrisy. The College of Psychology has numerous independent complaints filed against him for blatant unprofessional misconduct. Instead of being humble enough to search himself, he went on public attack in opposition to every single thing he teaches about keep your house in order, dragging his daughter and the you tube public into his own war instead of taking accountability and correcting his errors. Some people worship him and treat him like he is the omniscient expert on everything and his ego revels in this, instead of having humility to realize that he doesn't have solutions to problems just sanctimonious criticism.
@may.mercy66 Peterson is a misogynist and a narcissist. I'm sure he was shunned by his peers in academia. He engages in alot intellectual fucking. Not my type.
@@AngelaMay66 Are you kidding? Could you be specific?
@@AngelaMay66 lol so @Victor Frankenstein told you to be specific when you clearly were being specific when talking about him being accused of misconduct and how he chose to go about it. This is why you dont argue with JP fans lmfao
Peterson is fanatic and manipulator, not a philosopher. He's using philosophy to reinforce his beliefs and emotions to defend against criticism.
I really like Peterson, and I absolutely agree with you.
Peterson is well learned and articulate that he can easily make a convincing case, but he is not always right.
Your advice on diversifying our sources of information is the key.
Everyone who watches Dr. Peterson needs to watch this, and read this comment.
Read his Maps of Meaning - or try to. It’s laughably bad, syntactically and logically garbled half-digested Jungian nonsense.
@@bentonschaefer p0
Christa McDonald ?
lheizmann I’ve just read this. He’s spot on. Peterson belongs in the LOA/self help guru category.
Robinson nails it when he says whenever Peterson is vague, he’s staying the obvious once you unpack the message. When he’s being specific, his message is horrifying.
I’ve seen vids where he’s encouraging ppl to ditch others once you perceive them to be less than you, vids where he’s encouraging tax dodging. He’s a MASSIVE racist. He’s a complete psychopath who actually encourages ppl to only look after their own interests and trample on the weak or poor.
Heh, only in America could Climate Change be a "political issue"
I know. Anyone in most European countries, who questions the legitimacy of the issue, is likely to be considered a wackjob.
Unfortunately the Germany has a lot of people arguing whether climate change is real or not. A far-right German Party is still demanding proof and says that climate change depends on the sun’s heat.
@@berbersista oh good lord....
MissPronounced yeah she argued that climate change is not man made and that cold water absorbs carbon dioxide. She said that if climate change is real it’s not man-made but sun-made and that we should sue the sun if that were the case. Also interesting to know about her: she’s the grand-daughter of Hitlers’ secretary for finance. So there’s that.
@@kristianj.8798 I live in the Netherlands and climate change is and will always be a political issue because it is about money.
You can be intelligent, highly intelligent and very well educated, but still be completely wrong on any number of subjects. A polymath can also be a polymoron.
I think you may be referring to people who are morally defective, despite being highly intelligent. It might point to some type of personality disorder, at least a kind of moral blindness. People like that are often extremely successful in their working lives - very active on both sides of the law.
Then you shouldn't be talking about those subject as if you were right
A polymoron!
That's a good 1
I don't get why this is mentionable. I suppose is because Americans have a tendency to search purity, to think religiously.
No thinker doesn't have a series of profoundly stupid ideas attached. From Nietzsche to Chomsky, not a single human. In fact, the most groundbreaking some idea more dumb in other areas, because those personalities take positions to extremes with ease.
Why is that discussed of Peterson?. Pick what you find valuable and move one.
I'm pretty sure Pakman thinks he is the arbiter and does not grant the courtesy of thinking he could be holding dumb ideas himself
Well put.
What about his wordsallads? I find it super intellectually dishonest.
Just watch the video with him and penrose, I barely got through the video because his constant blabla
When I was a young man if I felt a person who had some good ideas I tended to accept ALL their ideas. I think this is quite common amongst young people because when you are young you don't have the experience to be able to critically analyze a universe of ideas that you develop as you grow older. So it is easier to accept the ideas of someone you believe has other good positions as a proxy. I didn't like not to have a position because, without one, you have no position in the conversation and thus you feel you are irrelevant.
Well said. These kids see him as a father figure. His advice is actually called the "Dad pill", largely due to his focus on individualism and self-reliance.
AA give the opposite advice. And when Jordan had a problem with anxiety, his family had to help him. It's a conflicting message. But Jordan is all about good stories (Biblical heroes etc.), not philosophy built on axioms, like he claims. (Because if that were true, as someone who like to debate, wouldn't he share he's premises?) And who doesn't want to be a hero?
I'd agree that's a matter of the followers' youth, inexperience, and insecurity combined with J. Peterson's exceptional skill to explain quite complex issues in a palatable manner, even to people who have no idea about philosophy or psychology.
But David is right - the fact Dr. Peterson is well educated, sensitive, and a great communicator doesn't make him infallible.
Also, I suspect Dr. Peterson is absolutely conscious of his status as the political figure, sort of, lol, only he doesn't want to accept it publicly because that obviously wasn't his intention to become one. It happened as "collateral damage" of his public performances because, as David correctly pointed out, all his topis basically are highly politically charged directly or indirectly.
And you are right in the evaluation of his acts in the eyes of his adoring followers. He probably filled the gap of the missing impressive father figure for many young men; sigh... So, when somebody attacks him, his "kids" are protecting him - sort of natural, though, in this particular case, not a very healthy approach.
And over here, I would expect Dr. Peterson to personally intervene and guide his followers further from himself and closer to critical and independent thinking.
Like you guys don't also apply trust and resonance when listening to your guru's too .
And why shouldn't someone be liked , accepted and popular ? Whats wrong with that ?
Isn't that what the presenter of this video wants also ?
@@gosforthlad Very good questions. I think it would be more helpful for you to answer those yourself though since the answers are not short.
I'll give you some themes though:
Balance of opinions
Control
Group think
@@edwardmitchell6581 The nuances of the English language and self reflection are obviously lost on you .
My questions were rhetorical and I already know the answers to them .
Your comments are childish and reeking of envy .
Yes; Ironically, Jordan Peterson has always warned about the evils of tribalism.
Alot of (all) right wing propaganda is based in reverse psychology, it seems to me they're all students of psychological warfare and drawing from the kind of research into cults done during MK Ultra experiments done by the CIA. They're also all Roman Catholics
Yes. It's been a great source of inspiration for his tribe.
@Justin Bradburn did you just call David Duke a leftist??
@Justin Bradburn lmao the idea of claiming you aren't engaging in tribalism while claiming that any leftist notion is "demokkkrat bullshit". My dude, do you seriously have no idea how badly you are contradicting yourself.
@Justin Bradburn Mussolini, Richard Spencer, David Duke, Hitler and Goebbells are all right wingers, not leftists. The Obamas, Clintons, Pelosi and Harris are center-right. You can't just call everyone you don't like a leftie, words have meanings.
This argument can be applied to any fan base that exists. There are always zealous outliers that devot themselves way too hard.
wow
@Stefan Slade poisonous how? because their view points don't align with yours? if not, do tell.
Pakman can't address his arguments. that's y he makes up nothing issues with Peterson.
@@spankstar They're probably not anymore poisonous than your average political fan base.
I do find it interesting how easy it is to see the outrageously chaotic nature of most UA-cam comment sections, and then it becomes so clear why the real world is so similarly chaotic.
@@drystkrab269 yeah, it seems like an extreme strawman, can't attack peterson the man so instead attack his fans, seems to be a common approach from his detractors.
Wonder if the Newman interview put them off trying to strawman his words... 🤣
I love how you are articulating your points and questioning things 👏👏
Yeah, it's really fascinating and actually fun to listen to.
I have to admit bro, I'm a Peterson fan and was skeptical of this video by the title, but the time you take and the nuance you use has impressed me. I think a lot of Peterson's fans need to watch this to understand that they should not rely on him for spiritual leadership in all matters.
I think there's a couple of reasons for their loyalty though...
1. We live in a generation without fathers, and
2. A lot of people need thought leaders to teach them how to think.
Although I'd rather Peterson fill that space than some of the other options.
You've earned a subscriber mate.
From Australia.
Good work.
"We live in a generation without fathers"
- Either this is more Poppa Lobster rhetoric or you got some s'plaining to do.
I like Peterson. I don't agree with much of what he says but there are a few things I really like about him. Overall I agree with you and Pakman as well.
I think Peterson is far more dangerous than you may realize - it's really important to undermine and defeat a griffter and charlatan like him.
i think both sides have a points. i don't believe everything Peterson say's however i also think he has a point. TBH i think some issues we are talking about, we shouldn't be talking about as it brings light to these issues and who's to say when an issue is fixed.. the problem with humanity i always find is we either over do it or not enough!! the key for most things is moderation in moderation.... we never seem to reach that IMO, also a point you made up of pererson fans being rowdy or attacking people (not sure if you used that word) but that's on both sides of the fence.... oh and greeting from Australia mate!
First off: yes, great self-awareness, Jonesy! Second: I think to see Peterson's weaknesses is quite hard, especially cause they lay in where he refuses to speak. He won't align himself with the right, but he sure as hell won't criticise them... unless asked point-blank, when he'll say he doesn't like extreme right wing people. But with the amount of intellectual dishonesty we see on all sides of the spectrum, it's telling that he almost exclusively focusses on one side. His arguments are often strong (though often not as strong as presented!), but it's really his silences that show his bias and allegiance. Friendly greetings from an ex-JP fan
Ok, the amount of art of him displayed was very disturbing.
😂👌 exactly this. I was into JP up until about end of 2019. (Wasn’t into him right from his whole bill c-16 thing) So not a fan boy!
1st time I got suspicious of him was when Peter Hitchens described him as a guru. I’ve re-watched a few of his vids, the guy is unhinged. And that’s not going from 1 extreme to the other. He’s an elitist, pro capitalist, rampant advocate of individualism, his message is “there’s a load of people in society, who are in your way, get smarter in the way you operate.” He’s constantly trying to justify selfishness, he does this really well. A total sociopath. He endorses tax dodging, in 1 vid he endorses ditching people once you perceive them to be less than you. He says lefties are “excessively impulsive in compassion and compassion is the line between cuddling your baby or throwing it out the window!”
He’s a MASSIVE racist. It would not surprise me if he’s being funded from some right wing groups, almost all of what he says about the left ties in with propaganda from right wing outlets.
Crispin Fornoff for stop and search policies he said, “find out who it is and why you’re stopping them. Being accused of racism could be a side effect.”
In another vid he said “Greeks are corrupt, they don’t pay their income tax. Why do we pay our taxes, maybe we shouldn’t like the Greeks.” There’s other examples too of him being a full on racist.
As for capitalism, the privatisation of healthcare when public health authorities could handle coronavirus results in private corps like Deloitte and Serco profiting during a global pandemic here in the U.K. Serco have FAILED with the test and trace app.
Individualism, boy oh boy, that’s a mess both sides of the political spectrum have contributed to. Socially/culturally the left are responsible for and the “conservatives” have embraced whole heartedly. Economically, the right wing are responsible. The whole “there’s no such thing as a society”, neoliberalism has led to Britain scoring consistently high in loveliness, no country in Europe has embraced individualism, competition and consumerism as much as the U.K.
Crispin Fornoff what you’ve written is total gibberish. Our test and trace system was contracted to a private company, w/o tender, the app didn’t pass security! Privatisation is inefficient.
As for thinking I’m a student, you’ve just created a straw man, you’ve deffo learned well from Peterson! Read the last 10 pages of chapter 3, classic Peterson!
This is taken from Nathan J Robinson’s “the intellectual we deserve” article. “Note the response to the “poor man’s plight,” which is not to actually help him but to show him what a better person you are so that he will have a model to emulate.” Classic JP!
12 Rules for Life is a LOA book, full of spurious arguments against taking an active interest in politics or society, since the true meaning of life is taking care of me, myself and I. 😂 nothing new, plenty of LOA coaches out there, now clear off fan boy! 😂
@@naveed210 that was a nice thing you did. Saying you were a fan to give your made up, over exaggerated, paranoid criticism of him any credibility. Yes, Peterson has his faults and moments of hypocrisy. As does everyone else. No one should dick ride any person. Fanboys are cringey. You know what else is cringey? Blind hate. Relax, kid.
Chris Valenzuela nice try fan boy! The guy is nothing but a LOA coach spouting rubbish on topics he knows nothing about. In 1 vid he says, “I bet on Britain over the EU after Brexit, because they have a history of muddling their way through things.” That’s about as close as 1 can get to white/British supremacy, his confidence isn’t based on facts or statistical analysis, but just blind faith.
Have a read of the last 10 pages of chapter 3 in Rules for Life, classic Peterson!
I get what you're saying, but he is a psychologist and all these topics he discusses are interrelated with psychology. For instance - collectivism vs. individualism: cultural psychology. You just cannot separate politics from psychology, loads of research on how people are and function can be easily connected to what is happening nowadays in politics. And there are psychological insights from many studies which say what tends to work for people and what doesn't so you don't necessarily have to be strongly partisan to express insights coming from these findings. And with that, he discusses sociology and philosophy, which also cannot be separated from psychology and politics.
He actually argues for shutting down investigation of entire branches of sociology- which as an intellectual is a very culturally imperialist and dangerous position.
I agree that these things are related. And I agree that politics is ingrained in all social science studies, and it isn't possible to divorce them completely. But, for example, a sociologist might have differing views of political topics than a psychologist, and saying that Peterson is an authority while discounting other people with differently informed positions is wrong. I find that his personal responsibility prescriptions are helpful, but I genuinely find his political views fairly uninformed
As an example, his criticisms of what he says Bill C16 does are very valid. But the problem is, he was wrong about his interpretation. The Canadian Bar Association disagreed with his interpretation. Most Canadians disagreed with his interpretations. The bill passed. And in the past 4 years, how many lawsuits have we seen from compelled speech cases? None. So its pretty clear that while his framing of the conversation was alarming, his actual understanding of the law itself and its political ramifications were very poor. The problem is, his supporters don't go back and look at the outcomes compared to what he's actually saying will happen.
And while individualism is extraordinarily important- it isn't the only framing of the world that is fundamentally right. Certain aspects of history and society make sense to look at from an individualist frame of reference, and others from a collectivist. For example, in the US, it is impossible to only look at redlining laws and the downstream implications (eg. education disparity, job opportunities, local ownership of business, individual and generational wealth accumulation, policing disparities) without looking at it from a collectivist perspective. But from the standpoint of what it means to derive purpose in your own life or to take personal responsibility, it doesn't make sense in the same way- those topics should be addressed as an individual. So his broad statements are very generic and simplistic. He sound great when he says it, but it's kind of shallow thinking
Jordan Peterson complaining that everything is viewed through a political lense, and then go on and work for the freaking Daily Wire is peak irony.
Well David let me tell you something: something.
It's important to dissect the man in two. Psychology and self help wise he is clearly well equipped and well qualified and actually quite helpful for many people, ik a few personally. His politics tho he is just another person with another opinion it's important not to hold EVERY word someone you like as true he is a human just like us and all humans have a tendency to be wrong sometimes
You had it right to begin with. We need to dissect him. Period
@@somethingelse4150 _He appears to be a normal human being. I wonder how he managed the deception. Oh well, stitch him up._
We don't only have a tendency to be wrong sometimes. More like it's a miracle we get any things right😂😂
Not really. He gives that impression because there is a lot of clips floating around, but his view on politics is one of the most balanced I have found.
He, next to Jonathan Haidt, Steven Pinker are the only scientists that I know that acknowledge the biological proclivity of people toward Left and Right,
so Peterson's arguments assume both sides are convinced they are correct and they have to base in a dialogue which solution to implement.
From almost every argument I have heard the Left and Right position. You get to understand better how Conservatives think, even if you don't agree with them (which is essencial in case you want to convince them)
Granting legitimacy to both sides at the same time is something that is not done at discussing politics.
He does not like the extremes, but the core of his message is that the tension between Left and Right produces the advancement in society, because both play a critical role.
The Left protecting the weak, the Right being skeptical of new solutions, so the job of the Left is to convince to move forward.
That view is light years away of the caricature that Left and Right do of each other in their echo chambers
@@heikorudiger3258 when or what, for example, did homo sapiens get anything right?🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I’m a huge peterson fan, and this was a really fair critique. Thank you
The problem with his traditionalism is that it applies only to men. He wants women to be able to choose what they want which means they will have to work but puts men into a hunter gatherer style hierarchy system. Whether your default route in life is becoming financially successful or not, never ask for removing your choices. Its counter productive and puts men under do or die frame of mind which wont end well in the long term. Not for us and not for the ones around us. Uniform progress or nothing.
Me too and let me tell you, this was not a good critique
I am looking for one and this did not do it for me
He talks more about the effects of his work than the man itsself. One thing that bothered me a lot was that he kept saying "petersons ideology", well there you can see that he hasn't digged deep enough into peterson because peterson dispises the idea of ideology period. One example of why he isn't doing a fair critique in my opinion
@@pradeep2662 I would like to think about your comment,but I need a question to be answered first: How is life not a "do or die thing" if you want to be a functioning part of humanity ? What's your take on that
@@pradeep2662 or: how is he wrong on that specific aspect
@@camefromice Look at it relatively, with advancements made in women's lives. Either everyone is oppressed in some area and are powerful in the other or everyone's equally powerful/vulnerable. My point isnt even that deep. Women - sit at home, thats good and sit in the office thats good too. Men - one narrow path, either youre in it or youre doomed.
Now I understand men need to take the civilization forward and all that stuff but you gotta adapt to the present day. Keeping men's lives in 80s and bringing women's to 2020 is bad for the society. My point is that you gotta the rock that changes the flow of water, not the one that goes with the flow.
Peterson wants people to accept and confirm to pre- women's rights era while being pro women. Im not against women getting more social benefits than men but you just dont corner men like that. It makes a world of difference mentally, if you feel like you have a choice but still chose to chase success. For that reason, men in Scandinavia are probably much happier in their daily life than men anywhere else. His speeches might be effective in very backward countries but it doesnt make sense to school men like that in the west. What if a guy gets bossed around by his lady boss at work? can we still come home to his girlfriend with a traditional mindset ? Or hes supposed to have a traditional mindset only while being a corporate slave and turn the "compatible with modern women" switch on before coming home? A lot has changed in the last 30 years and you either adapt or you stay confused.
Simply put, he just isolates the situation and talks about it conveniently without addressing all the things related or imp-acted. Most men dont give a f about other men so what I said would never get as much of a traction as his easy and outdated theories.
The video: There isn't that much wrong with your idol guys, but you yourself should chill and take a step back when you consume information.
8,4k dislikes: And we took that personally.
Wait, How are you seeing the dislikes? I thought youtube removed them
@@GOOFYgoober112 yeah I was going to ask the same question
@@GOOFYgoober112 There's a Chrome extension that returns the dislike button.
Um can you not see the Likes button? Because there’s 25k smart guy
@@lionelgrisbane-ud87 yeah but that's kind of a high like/dislike ratio.
Honestly, I just like getting philosophical and personal advice from Kermit the frog 🐸
it ain't easy being green
He really does sound like Kermit doesn't he🤣🤣🤣
and Winnie the Pooh... "The Tao of Pooh" is a good book.
I was listening to something where it started playing of a clip of him speaking and I honestly though that person speaking before started "doing a voice" or something.
Omg. Thought i was the only one who thought that. Lol
You articulate this so well. You've scratched an itch that's been bothering me since I was introduced to him
Thank you
He really didn't. He kept saying " petersons ideology" while peterson dispises the idea of ideology. One example of why he isn't accurate enough imo. Oh no one asked? Sorry ^^
camefromice just because Peterson claims he doesn’t have an ideology, doesn’t mean he actually doesn’t. He’s clearly a Christian conservative and not too much more
@@finndaniels9139 that's not an ideology , god you can't just throw words around. Also you put him into that box, there is even a video why he thinks that he can't be just conservative. Stop labeling people just so you have a point to stand on. No offense, just sayin
Also; why is it important what he is ? How about we stop putting people into boxes and take them for what they are actually doing and saying
camefromice I mean it is a subset of an ideology, conservatism is the ideology of which there are different forms, fiscal conservatism, paternalistic conservatism etc. Religious conservatism absolutely is a subset of an ideology.
"The intensity of his defenders goes beyond facts, and goes into feelings, emotions, loyalty beyond reason" EXACTLY 👌
Indeed it does. Or at least it does in many cases. But it happens on both sides.
But that’s not Jordan Peterson... that’s people who like Jordan peterson
I was going to say that’s a critique on his defenders not him. But that’s not even a critique on his defenders, that’s just a general observation on how a lot of people are defensively bias about shit they like.
@@jamescarter3738 right, but when you are a doctor doing this type of work, to enlighten people, you would point that out to them, about critical thinking, just look what the lack of critical thinking did to trump voters, the percentage of his voters who believed these wild conspiracy theories about the election, it’s destroying republicans, conservatives, right leaning people, the numbers are too great to ignore this, the people with a following needs to point this problem out.
@@MaRi-zp9zk yeah I see what you’re saying but it goes on amongst political ideologies the same.
Like to undermine the lefts message and motives based on the crazy and radical minority of the overall following is just as nonsensical as this critique of Jordan Peterson’s. You know what I mean?
Fair, but on the point about Peterson bundling together universal valid advice with his own ideology you repeated yourself so much I thought I went back in the video by mistake.
One of the main reasons I could never take Peterson too seriously is because of how seriously he takes himself.
Pretty much, his arrogance and self importance almost always gives him away. Borderline narcissistic behaviour.
@ Yep, I've watched at least 30 of his talks and debates. One example is his refutation of the concept of "white privilege" as Marxist and post-modern. I hate post-modernism myself, but anyone with even an inkling of historical knowledge would know that, in the western world, "white privilege" is not an abstract, post-modern concept but a historical reality that has shaped the modern western world.
That is one of many examples.
@@charleshatt1281 The existence of previous discrimination doesn’t prove the existence of a current WP.
WP as I understand it, it is a systemic advantage that every single white enjoys over other minorities. But there is a refutation in the fact in many structural elements, Asian -Americans have, by every metric, a remarkably higher income and standard of living.
You have to account for the fact that those people grew up not in our current environment, where the stereotype is of intellectual proficiency and excellence, the did decades ago, when the archetypes of Asians were of mockery and negligible cartoonish individuals.
If they prospered in that context, it is a proof that the fairness of the system allows people to prosper even in conditions of bad social perception by the white majority. Otherwise they would have been systematically punished resulting in a lower hierarchical position.
White privilege it is actually a concept from the “neo-Marxists”. Marx developed the idea of the worker being oppressed, either he admitted or not. And extended the guilt of the unfairness to the entire upper class. White privilege is an extended guilt of the entire ethnic group, because everyone is supposed to have it.
The feminism uses the same structure. They use the axiom that if the representation is not equal to the demographic proportion it is irrefutable proof of discrimination. That is nonsense. Men and women choose different occupations and the more egalitarian the country more polarized the differences.
They perpetuate the false 50% 50% as equality when we do know that besides the difference in choices, we have a difference in the standard deviation of IQ e.g, and many other traits.
www.thetimes.co.uk/article/patriarchy-paradox-how-equality-reinforces-stereotypes-96cx2bsrp
www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2018/02/the-more-gender-equality-the-fewer-women-in-stem/553592/
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Variability_hypothesis
www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0191886913003036
Having the most talented individuals and the most defective. That’s is why the proportion of e.g chess masters is 1627 to 32, and rarely you see a woman among the first 100 players. Overrepresentation does not mean discrimination.
I mention feminism and how they hide proven scientific facts because they need that oppression narrative to be permanent. The Genders studies generalized this toxic interpretation of reality to race as well in the African American studies. All from the same faculties.
www.economist.com/science-and-technology/2018/10/06/another-set-of-fake-papers-takes-aim-at-social-sciences-nether-regions
www.vox.com/2018/10/15/17951492/grievance-studies-sokal-squared-hoax
The structural problems of the black community have way more relation to the lack of structure of the family, when in the 50s they had 70% of children born within wedlock, and today is the other way around. That is the greatest predictor of stability and lack of problems with the law. I will not state why (because science does not have conclusive evidence), but there is an IQ gap in the black community respect to the rest; which society is working on, but that makes impossible to occupy the same proportion of technical jobs in relation to the demographics-
Jews have the same problem. They are 0,2% of the population of the world and have 22% of ALL Nobel prizes and 27% of ALL Fields medals with a genocide in between.
The scientific community and the government are working in decreasing the gap (as it has been the case through the last century) but the curve decays exponentially and that makes the proportion decrease dramatically (I leave you an article). IQ doesn’t define a person but has a high correlation with financial success and particularly occupation and visibility in positions of power in society.
www.vox.com/the-big-idea/2017/6/15/15797120/race-black-white-iq-response-critics
greyenlightenment.com/iq-and-morality-iq-and-job-performance/
Besides that, you have an absurd cultural differentiation. In Europe blacks do not talk differently neither their talk of systemic oppression. Mixed people are not subjected to the ridiculous one drop rule, that makes impossible to break the racial divide (which is artificial because blacks have at least 30% of European DNA and 21% of whites too, so scientifically it is referred just as populations, not races.).
In Europe people do not ask someone’s race, that would be rude. The result is people do not feel they are talking to a “foreigner” which might happen in many cases.
There is a huge amount of problems, and many are probably due to the historical development, but from the most critical and devastating parameters non implies a white oppression of blacks, and certainly there is evidence that although racism exists, it is by no means the controlling factor (I really hope you don’t see this as some kind of “eugenics” argument, because the article I posted explains that we have reasons to believe we can continue decreasing the gap, but it is impossible to have people working in neurosurgery and aerospace engineering or finance in the same proportions to the demographics because the curve has an exponential drop to the most extreme cases.
I also must point out that an average cannot be used to predict an individual location in the curve, because it is mathematically irrational (the properties of a statistical distribution do not pass to the individuals), but it explains the positions structure of the groups as we see it.
The neo Marxist claim is attached to a fallacy, that is the demographic representation, or as they call it “intersectionality”, which cannot happen in a heterogeneous population. We could develop better metrics to eliminate bias, but we cannot extend the guilt to groups, because as it is wrong to blame Muslims because some are terrorists, we cannot blame the entire ethnic group of “whites” for cases that do not have the weight that produces the inequality (which in the end is just overrepresentation, most people are mediocre, regardless of their “race”)
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lol what a great argument hhh
"how seriously he takes himself" is really just your own judgment. We could make that judgment about nearly all public figures, like... Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders, for example. JBP takes the issues he speaks on seriously. He believes a real crisis is going on and addresses it forcefully... just as forcefully as most feminists address the issues they think are important. We can call anyone who stands up for what they believe in as "narcisstic" and "self important" and "takes himself too seriously".
Classic Halo Effect. If you're right about this, you're automatically right about everything else.
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Is that what it is called? Thank you. It's sort of the opposite of poisoning the well, a kind of positive ad-hom fallacy.
I agree, I did actually agree on his views about the whole pronouns thing. However his ideas are so messed up in other areas. I read both of his latest books and I found myself in awe to realize that he's highly sexist, misogynistic, and a very close minded person. Take into consideration that I'm not a woman yet I found both of his books to be very sexist and misogynistic.
He's a supremacist, and he really thinks that this world was created just for us humans, kind of funny considering that even Bees have a more important role in nature than us.
I still like some of his idea, but he's certainly not worth the hype, I guess he's highly popular in America since well, he's a Christian and men in America tend to think just like he does, so no wonder he's so popular.
@@zairnermuller4960 He won't admit to being a Christian in debates or interviews with adults but he pitches his faith surreptitiously to his naïve college students. And you know what happens if you disagree with your professor, so even if they detect the bullshit they have no power to act against it.
Pretty despicable in my books.
Here he is twisting young minds.
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Good point.
Couldn't the case be made that Peterson discusses topics related to psychology, sociology, and philosophy, which unavoidably overlaps politics, but that he prefers not to focus on the areas of overlap?
The 'Peterson Preach' is supposed to be guidelines for people with a somewhat solid ground under their feet. Some have not and they will be disgruntled over the preachings.
No. He willingly entered the political sphere then bitched about it when he got his ass handed back to him.
Great communicator, psychologist, and businessman tho.
@@ejaganjac7085 Wasn't part of his talk about Petersons followers that attack people? I wonder.......was he talking about Petersons followers, or his own?
@Exec Utize hahaha
@@ejaganjac7085 I wish for you to link what ever you are talking about. I have never seen him "have his ass handed to him"
To me, the political side of his ideology or the way he is presenting it has a toxic tinge to it and allows him to say different things without ever having to be held accountable for the outcome. This is manipulation, by the book, and basically nullifies the good advice and a couple of good points he is making. The world is extremely polarized as it is, and we have to work against, not towards it.
The first advice i heard from him years ago on jre was like "clean your room before u go out and try to change the world". I listened and never got into the politics side. In fact I'm still trynna clean "my room". so yeah, he's a free psychologist to me and thats it.
Then he's achieved his objective of making you doubt your own self leadership because you're likely still cleaning your room while watching the world burn.
Sidenote; Your room will never be clean enough. It was never even meant to be.
@@avamasquerade well damn 🤣u picked a perfect time to talk about watching the world burn. But yeah I was 16 and doubted my "self leadership" already. He ended up being a spark in what eventually led to me maturing. I get if u don't like him & i don't keep up with what he's doing. But Even if he was a terrible person, it wouldn't change the fact that the few pieces of advice i heard from him on Jre helped me thru a rough time 4 years ago. That was the end of it for me. Im not arguing over the internet, i just thought I'd clarify. Stay safe yo
@@ozark4737 I just don't like a person who stands on a podium preaching at people to go clean their room because they're not good enough to change the world when he, himself, was in desperate need of actually getting clean. My point is that if people are waiting to be deemed "good enough" to make profoundly positive changes to the world around them by these soon to be former overlords, then they'll never even leave the house. While I'm glad his advice helped you (and some of his lectures were fascinating) a person who dismisses you like you're some annoying child and who is so damned disrespectful as to tell you to go clean your room when you have *serious existential concerns,* while he nurses a many years long opioid addiction just isn't a good source for guidance.
@Charity Ava why are you unable to distinguish between the messenger and the message? Peterson’s opioid problem is irrelevant.
@@aafgahfah If Peterson's message of "you are not qualified to address the world's ills until your own affairs are in order" is to apply to everyone, including himself, then by those rules his opioid problems are not entirely irrelevant. I'd be a little leery of the guru-type (functionally the role he plays for many): he may have good things to say, but "shut up and clean your room" I find just a wee bit presumptuous.
I probably should have watched this before criticizing Peterson’s comments on women on a different video. Man, do they come after you lol
I would have at least known what to expect. It’s like criticizing trump. People are very emotionally attached.
Especially if you criticized him in the context of his views on women. Which is really the core of Peterson's thinking -- this idea of the feminine representing chaos and the masculine representing order. Everything else he talks about is ancillary. I don't know anything about his history or personal life, but he's a guy who very much sees masculinity as under threat. And because his identity is completely intertwined with his masculinity, that threat is existential.
It's no mistake that most of his fans are young men. They have two kinds of women in their lives: Their mothers, who tell them what to do; and pretty girls, who tell them what they can't do. They have all sorts of negative emotions around women: Fear, confusion, humiliation. And instead of telling them they need to grow into more mature relationships with women, Peterson tells them those emotions are valid and represent something society is hiding from them. Leftists are subverting some natural hierarchy, and if they could only restore that hierarchy, then women would no longer have power over them. That's the thinking of a Peterson fan in a nutshell. Even the ones who don't consciously realize it.
@@Revelwoodie I suspect his expert understanding of sociopathology comes from personal experience.
@@Revelwoodie he doesn't realize what he is speaking is going to be underestimated by some of his fans I guess.
@@Revelwoodie You are not understanding him well then. Those are psychological terms, or to be more precise, old psychological terms that Jung was using very often. It's symbolical more actually. Chaos is not any worse or better from order, they are interconnected. And both men and women have both qualities. Saying that "feminine is chaos" does not translates into "women are chaos".
But i can see that much of his fans could be interpreting him wrong as you do because of lack of background knowledge behind the words he is saying and that could potentially lead to problems.
So far, I like him. He’s encouraging. The “clean up your room and make it beautiful” suggestions are simple. I haven’t heard him talk about political issues so, I’ll just stop there - take what I need and leave the rest.
@ If only.. !!!
I wouldn’t go any further, but if you do be aware of the fans that think everything he says is “profound” simply because of his credentials, he gives some great advice but when he discusses politics he falls flat on his head and says something REALLY brazenly dumb but no one will challenge it and Jesus Christ I’ve never seen a fan base that all think they’re all philosophical geniuses.
Something I really agree with is when Pakman says his fans take themselves way too seriously, they really do to the extent that they take the most niche arguments and present them with filler.
Overall I think he’s a pretty nice guy but don’t fall into the same hole done of his Fanbase has. He does bring up really sound and thought provoking arguments in terms of philosophy but trust me, he’s not the next “Socrates” or “Plato” like some people see him as. I would say talking with him would be interesting depending on what it is.
@@user-jt6rh8xy6n Thank you. I appreciate your reply. This is the reason we’re in the boat we’re in now. The fanbase or cult culture, I’ll call it. It’s dangerous.
Kudos for stopping at the extent of your knowledge
@@waylonk2453 Let me guess, you have extensive knowledge on philosophy because you watch UA-cam videos? Or do you have actual credentials?
It feels like he has an agenda
Thank you so much for pointing this out. It is not only useful for Jordan Peterson but for any person in this world. We should not make anybody our savior. But become our own owner of our minds. Thank you!
Forgive me but this sounds an awful lot like a Jordan Peterson quote 😂
You are so right. I cannot stand Gurus of any kind. I find those people to be off-putting, always.
The fact you have to say this is a joke
@@champagnecocaine569 Its a joke yet it is not. Especially when the line "trust no one" has an even bigger meaning
Groupthink is dangerous and self limiting . I suspect many of these young males lack a meaningful relationship with an older male in their own life and Peterson fills a void .
And they become so woke and begin attacking those who oppose their grandmaster, Peterson.
He just a refugee for the lost men alienated by a society telling them they aren't to succeed because their past generations did and oppressed everyone else
I haven't watched the video yet, but I agree to this statement fully because I'm one of those males. For anyone like me, don't learn from one source, do the research and don't make a cult from any one person. I love Jordan Peterson but at the end of the day you aren't him and you don't have to be him to be good, just try every day to be a better version of yourself.
he literally said this.
He’s done no good he’s a hater and divider and wants to get clout!
"He's a big proponent of right wing concepts like heirarchies... "
Congratulations, you've managed to mischaracterize Peterson's viewpoint in less than 2 minutes.
So he doesn't support hierarchies?
@@DogsOnAcid hierarches are not inherently a right wing thing.
@@Biggiiful but i mean that does not mean it's not a part of the right-wing political viewpoints right? Can you speak more about this topic because i'm quite new on politic and needing some helps.
@@linhviethoang This is both ultimately a really complicated thing and a very simple thing. Hierarchies are purely a natural phenomenon. Hierarchies can be both good and bad. We need them, or nothing would get done. But left unchecked, they can become tyrannical. Please reply to me so I get a notification to remind me to post you a link to better explanations.
In before the Peterson cultists
You mean that you were some kind of Skinhead?
IonSquared A better description is “Fanatics” not “cultists”
@Paul Judkins which cult? I'm here for the free snacks;)
@Paul Judkins one of the warning signs of a cult is that they create their own ridiculous lingo.
IonSquared Honestly I think his last appearance on joe rogans podcast and his obsessive pushing of the “carnivore diet” soured a lot of people on him, he still has followers to be sure but they seem to have been at least muzzled a bit.
I recommend the book "Don't think about an elephant" from George Lakoff. He explains why conservatives link psychology to politics, which really helped them win elections in many occasions
Kinda sucks that Peterson isn't a conservative then.
Wietse op de Weegh What would you say he is then?
@@naveed210 A classic English liberal. Individual freedom is the core value.
Wietse op de Weegh that’s nothing new then. That message has been drummed into society for the past 40-50 years. He’s just an LOA coach at the end of the day. His core message is; “there’s a bunch of people who are better operators than you, I’ll smarted you up. If your neighbour’s struggling, don’t worry as long as you’re ok. Leave those sensitive overly compassionate lefties to worry about that.” Man’s a psychopath.
@@naveed210 That's so far from what he actually thinks that it's painful to read. He has never said anything that's even remotely close to that. His entire philosophy is based on making the most out of yourself to eliviate some potential suffering for the people you hold dear. He says exactly the opposite of just letting your neighbour suffer. He only implies that if you can't get your own life in order, the odds that your goodhearted attempts to help your neighbour will backfire are very large.
His core message is not "there are people better than you and I'll smart you up" He says "There are an infinite amount of creative endeavours and they each have a dominance hierarchy. Find the hierarchy in which you can excell".
Als the 'Classic English liberal' is not something of the last 40-50 years. It's the embodiment of 200 year old enlightenment values.
Still the fairest and most accurately articulated critique of JP on the internet.
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Contrapoints had a pretty solid take, as well.
@@freeman7079 philosophy tube did better.
It was a little redundant. Maybe people identify with his philosophy and framework along with his advice making positive changes in their life. Being critical of his ideas is encouraged. When you do you separate the fact from opinion you see that a vast majority is referencing studies and statistics and science. When he does share his opinion hes pretty clear that that's his own perspective. The fact that he's eloquent enough to make sense and seem reasonable enough to his followers is a signal that not only are people benefiting from, or relating to his "simple"(I'd say sometimes abstract) advice, but also the philosophy that informs it.
But the main point of the video is, that JP fans are acting wrong and ignorant. I didn't get the critique of JP, except that he says that he isn't a political person.
And it's also a philosophical topic. It's not solely a political question. Socrates was a Philosopher not a politician despite talking about topics that overlapped into the political sphere.
But by contending with political ideologies, and in so doing demonstrating your own, do you not become political? Even if Jordan took a position that was strictly not imbedded in any particular ideology (e.g. "We are living in a Simulation"), it would, by its opposition to the political, become political, regardless of his intent.
WTHFX is he demonstrating political ideologies or philosophical ideologies that happen to overlap with many peoples political ideologies as my Socrates example should have highlighted.
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@@TheDcraft Well if it overlaps with many people's political ideologies, and many people become mobilized because of it, he's a political figure whether he sees it or not.
12345nadine public opinion has no bearing on what he chooses to identify as nor should it.
David Pakman, you impressed me with your objectivity coming from the progressive side. Your critique is not ad hominem and you give credit when due. Respect!
I guess subscribing to the channel is the best way to give kudos on youtube so that's what I'll do!
@Stefan Slade he's a politcal commentator people get mad not his fault
@Stefan Slade
Given the alternative is to moderate so heavily as to border censorship, i apreceate the detractors.
In person settings receive much more respect and get more smooth moderation than digitally possible.
You’d be surprised at how logical progressivism can be. There’s a lot of media that paint conservatives and progressives as over-emotional and aggressive people, when there are actually people from either side that are very logical. I’m more left-leaning so obviously I’ll believe the left is a little more logical though.
Totally agree, subscribe is what I did.
What JP is teaching young men are dangerous to me and I get attacked to say this is like a cult
it really is like a cult
Strive for excellence. Yeah, that’s like really dangerous stuff.
@@nirtlocj i don't think what Jordan Peterson says is exactly "striving for excellence". like yeah he has good bits here and there... but you can't just absorb everything the guy says like it's the ultimate truth
I say dangerous because he gathers around himself a following of pretty angry people who will attack you as evident and he enables them to become actively angry. He encourages misogyny and nastyness he is a self styled saviour who will save us there are many different Jordans good and bad
I like JP a lot. He has helped me with a lot of issues, but i totally agree with you. This needs to be heard. You captured something very important in this video and i commend you for that. Have a great day!
He made a good point when he said to investigate and learn from the genius that Jordan Peterson learned from.
@Greg Boyce (Horse shaman) he has learned more than you will, old little bastard
I came in thinking this dude must be a dope, but he makes great points without outright attacking Peterson or his fans. I approve.
Pakman is great. I am a devout Christian, a firm capitalist, and become fearful of anything socialist at this point in my life, be it outright Communism or Democratic Socialism (As Pakman is). In spite of the fact that I find his politics and cultural approach to have flaws, he is one of my favorite political commentators. Stick around; he is a well spoken, thought out, legitimate speaker.
@@fylondpettyloaf2972 ... Ughhh .... Pakman is not a "" Democratic Socalist "" !!
@@mysticmarble94 That's right, he's a social democrat.
@@CockatooDude He is indeed !!
Same as Bernie and thats the only fucking thing so fucking frustrating with Bernie ...
He is so fucking STUBBORN to insist on calling himself Democratic Socalist even tho his POLICY PLANS all correspond 100% to the ...
Social Democratic Platform ....
And not any kind of Socialism !!
And for that right wing scum a little history lesson !
Look up "" SPD "" ... Look up what the S actually stands for and find out that they had been the NUMBER ONE political enemy of the Nazis and therefore fucking Hitler himself !
And I fucking had it with those right wing bastards not knowing ANYTHING about history or getting ANYTHING right about the world !
@@fylondpettyloaf2972 why are you fearful of socialism?
I think Peterson himself would agree with you to a large extent. Title is misleading.
Why is the title misleading if he agrees there's a problem with himself.
Jar Jar Beast the video is about fanboy culture and not Peterson. So, the title is misleading because before you click it, it looks like it’s going to be ripping apart Peterson, not his followers
Left wingers see everything as political, so of course they see the view that politics is not everything as political. This is precisely what Peterson is talking about when he brings up ideological possession, it's non-refutable because there is no space outside of their ideological position to see anything beyond it.
@@zootsoot2006 Does that make you a clear headed, non-ideological right winger? The fact that you're targeting a side says a lot about you and how you view people on "the other side."
@@love.flower.chainsaw I'm not 'targeting' a side, again the ideological possession. I'm explaining a phenomenon. Modern day 'right wingers' are quite happy to interact with left wing ideas, examine them and come up with reasons they're wrong. I've yet to hear a left winger ever even begin to bother doing that with the other side's ideas (Pakman's the closest there is tbh). There's always too much emotion, starting off from the point of disagreement and then justifying that disagreement usually by means of tutting, eye rolling and cynical sniggering, not appeals to cold reason. The facts are there, as Jack Dorsey himself said, more right wingers follow left wingers on Twitter than vice-versa. I'd call myself centre-right but read the Guardian everyday, just in case they really do have something important to say with which I can agree commentary wise, and occasionally they do, but mostly it's just moralistic hand waving and self righteousness. In other words, pseudo religion, or ideological possession.
Oh my. This is 5yrs old and still as valid as ever. He's a cryer now even. Spitting out as much word salad as usable advice. He peaked when this was uploaded imo. He was good for awhile but now he takes himself SO seriously. Matt Dillahunty, without intent, exposed how random and hollow his thoughts can be, next to a grounded non-academia personality.
I'd love to know how many of the Peterson fanboys who disliked this video actually watched it
Not sure. I'm a fan of Petersom even tho I disagree with a lot of what he says. I however (after watching this video 3 times) can say without a doubt that some of this video has merit to it, some of it is unwarranted and some of it has misrepresented Peterson as a result of common misconceptions.
@@aaronvector4750 What do you think are the misrepresentations?
I think it's more of a cult than honest intellect. Peterson is great but his fanboys are very toxic.
About 7k, kinda scary too think about
24/7 taped speeches of Jordan Petersen's psuedo intellectual monologues would be a viable alternative to the death penalty albeit a 'cruel and unusual' punishment.
The victims brain would become permanently damaged trying to decipher the word salad psycho babble bullshit and piercing shrill voice.
I'd prefer the chair...
Lol. Yes, that voice.. yikes...and the crying. Strange dude. When he's challenged he starts desperately babbling.
Those portraits of him are so creepy
“The problem”. Like there’s only one.
Peterson: “This isn’t right! I’m not the messiah! You should all go home!
You’re all individuals!”
The crowd [in unison]: “We’re all individuals!”
Me: “I’m not”
Excellent Monty Python reference
He's not the Messiah! He's a very naughty boy, now GO AWAY!
John Lennon: "Don't follow me, don't look to the Beatles. I have no answers. If you want to change the world go change it yourself. Don't follow leaders." Lennon actually meant it. And Dylan ALWAYS rejected the box people tried to stick him in: "Don't follow leaders / Watch the parking meters."
This exactly.
Peterson don't want people finding their own way. That's why he sells recipes as a coach instead of acting like a psychologyst that helps people find their own truth, their own path in life.
This seems to be more of a criticism of “Peterson followers” and less about Peterson as a public figure. Peterson also specifically speaks about how tribalism is bad for society. The fact that his followers have created a tribe amongst themselves goes against the information Peterson is attempting to spread.
Hes right about tribalism. It's cancer. This whole "left" "right" nonsense is just that
If you are a Peterson "follower" you did not understand Peterson.
You're referring to Petersons NONfollowers. The ones who created a tribe are those who think he's a Republican. Or even right wing.
His actual followers aren't like that.
@@advictoriams EXACTLY. EXACCCCCTTTTLLLLYYYYYYY.
@@diegolainfiesta I'm not. I find his insight into psychology fascinating, but I don't "follow" him and vehemently disagree with his other points.
But yeah. I still stand by there being no such thing as left and right, but instead that tribalism has run rampant in society
It's funny to watch this video now that Jordan has dropped the act. Guess being a right-wing pundit or monetizing the SJW, as he calls it, pays way more than helping people as a psychologist.
As a Peterson fan I must say I am triggered. The truth will set you free. This video is amazing. Thank you for sharing.
Sarcasm aside (or at least from what I’m interpreting from you)
I will give you props for acknowledging you being triggered
Make sure Peterson's shoes are well shoe shined.
@@PapaSmurf11182nd I don’t think he is triggered, who would be?
Chad 😂👌
Peterson does the exact thing he criticizes others for. Playing the victim. He literally made an entire career off of it.
He had a career before the hate speech issue
@Ismael Barrera wrong. His book earned him a lot of rep
1:40 Collectivism isn't associated with leftism. The collectivist/individualist idea is independent from the left/right axis. For example, you can be a far left individualist (Ex: Anarcho-communist) or a far right collectivist (Ex: Fascism)
Great video, though. Best criticism of Peterson that you've made to date. I always appreciate when you explain your thoughts at length.
Yes, there are left and right socialists.
I am a leftist and I've been benefiting from some of Peterson's advice on the self-improving practical side of things - being more goal oriented, and aiming to self-improve at work and for my family. But I admit I had to filter out a lot of his lectures, as some of these were clearly based on his political view, which is clearly on the Right side of the spectrum.
What is wrong with being conservative?
@@TheHorrorsPersistButSoDoI I could say the same about liberals. I can’t go anywhere in town without seeing a pride flag. I get canceled if I don’t use your made up preferred pronouns. Your leadership has mandated an experimental vaccine that has segregated a part of the population. It seems like if I don’t conform to your leftist ideology I will get canceled it lose my job. That doesn’t seem very fair or balanced. Who is pushing world views on who now?
@@TheHorrorsPersistButSoDoI you should be a comedian
@@peterwilliams9892 These days? Most things.
@@peterwilliams9892 From a leftist POV, a lot of things. Politics affect people's wellbeing so political beliefs can be harmful.
Remember when Jordan Peterson said electing Bernie would turn the US into Venezuela?
Really? I'm from Venezuela and that is funny xD
Colony Three lmao that doesn’t sound political at all 😂
He is not wrong.
SnowballWar Really? Because what shocks me most is that Peterson lives in Canada, where nearly all of Bernie’s platform is already implemented: universal healthcare, strong social safety net, paid medical and family leave, paid vacation time by law, a higher minimum wage, etc. and yet, astoundingly, Canada hasn’t turned into Venezuela. How come?
@@MrGrass97 because it's not a socialist country. It's a capitalist country with some socialist policies.
This is by far the best critique of Peterson I've heard. And as a big Peterson fan, I still think he picks up on some very good point. Expand your knowledge constantly.
I am failing to see this as a critique of Peterson specifically.
He is not making any point on his views. This video's message is very general and can be applied to anyone.
I am not really understanding the title of the video as technically, he could even be speaking about himself.
You should question everything and everyone, not just Peterson.
@@riquelmeone Yeah, but not everyone has a fanbase like peterson's
"Women are only happy if they are married and they have kids" hmmmmmm that's totally a good point he makes.
He never said that. he ment BETTER then having a rich job single.
@@lukejones4129 When you only listen to what people say about him, instead of listening to what he says, you look like a dumbass. When you listen to what he says in such a way where you dont actually listen, but pretend to listen as to counter everything he says and pull things out of context, you look like a malevolent dumbass.
J.P. yet another person that reminds me of the Bob Dylan line:
'Don't follow leaders watch your parking meters.'
Dylan writes lyrics like a boxcar hobo
What does that mean ?
A lobster once told me to clean my room. I really need to lay off the magic mushrooms :)
Sounds more like Acid than Mushrooms, but fair enough either way
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He doesn't "believe" in hierarchies hes simply identifies their inevitability existence in our lives and explains how to best operate in those hierarchies and that is competence scaling... misinterpretation.
correct.
he also is not anti-egalitarian. he actually says the opposite. he is for equality of opportunity.
@@xxwaldi Yeah he is but he also insist that the left is just a bunch of neomarxsists trying to push equality of outcome. This caricature of the left that he then easily dismantles, which is not hard, makes underinformed people religiously vilify any kind of idea which has the word left or social associated with. This thing is my main critique of him, I generally like his takes on things but after watching his videos and then looking for these crazy left wing people and discovering good willing, reasonable people just trying to approach similar problems other way I found myself thinking that he mislead me in that regard. I hope people are curious enough to get out of this loop of thinking and find for example David's channel.
@@crispinfornoff206 according to left he isn't precise, now I'm trying to get many points of view so I hope I'm not in a loop
@@crispinfornoff206 anybody who identifies Marxism as bad is probably poorly read, and I think 1 in 5 is probably an underestimate...intentional to make Marxism seem fringy and unworthy...read some of what Marx actually wrote and not the knock off co-opted material and you'll see it is insightful...also your last point is circular...concern yourself with how you so willingly rise to Petersons defense instead of reflecting on your process and looking around at some other ideas...like David's -which may be another loop, but they are his thoughts, hopefully...
11:10 Oh men, you didn't see Elon Musks funboys defending every stiupid thing Elon says? I wanna see Musk funboys vs Petersons funboys fight.
Elon musk is a salesmen his knows jack shit about lithium batteries, rockets or physics for that matter
All of this is even more true now. David nailed it here
Big fan of JP here. What a nice constructive critique of Jordan Peterson! I always afraid of all the sheep people out there who don't question their beliefs or the people the follow. This is the reason I'm a subscriber of your channel.
Thank u for being open minded!!! I personally don't like anything at all about Peterson, except in regards to Jung. The fact that u are at least open to listening to the opposite perspective on someone u like shows much maturity from u. I'll be honest, Peterson does not understand postmodernism. And him pushing so hard against it creates a strong division between self and other.
the irony, calling people sheep when you're a fan of a clear cultural authoritarian...
@ you clearly don't know Peterson's work.
@@ImVicBlanco people like you are fucking idiots...I've seen enough of him to know what he's about. the debate (if you can call it that) between him and Dillahunty pretty much shows he's a fraud on its own but having sat through a reading of his book its safe to say hes nothing but a demagogue.
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The problem with Jordan Peterson are Jordan Peterson’s zealous fans.
Yes and he himself is to blame. He is smart enough to know how that his commentary ripples through the insecure, the silent unfuckables
I knew their was a reason I didn't like him and mcgregor equally. It's mainly because of their fans. Thanks
@@brandonblack105 i like JP for the advice nd not his political point of views though i do believe is some of but i do not think that i should defend him against anyone who has a diff belief. Same with conor. He came with nothing nd became this successful guy. Got an unbreakable self confidence nd kept his word atleast fir the 1st few years but i wouldnt say he still got it or he is the best of the decade or all time.
@@rickvankempen24 the silent unfuckables would be a great band name
I’d say it’s how he can’t describe any author correctly, almost like he didn’t read them.
He has an insufferable messiah complex.
this is how i feel about joe rogan fans too. theyre such suck ups and they dont question anything they say, worshipping them practically
You should visit the relevant subreddit.
@@ashutoshsingh3204 Most rogan fans won't get near Reddit.
Rogan is far worse than Peterson because at least Peterson, even if he's dodging the question, makes his position known. With Rogan you can tell that sometimes he believes in certain things but won't say it out loud, so he has some guest on his show spout bullshit that Rogan will barely challenge.
@@frankiel3767 I think rogan comes more from a perspective of a really curious person. He does make his position clear on certain topics and calls guests out occasionally. I can actually appreciate that he has folks from so many different and opposing groups on his show; a rare feat these days. Some guests suck, others are fantastic like when he had Krystal Ball, Kulinski, Neil Degrasse etc. But like anything else, fanaticism can be quite dangerous when not left questioned.
@@AltruisticWarrior he loves to platform certain people and ideas over and over. He'll let Ben Shapiro and Abigail Shrier go off about trans ppl, but when he has an actual trans athlete on his show he doesn't dare bring up his shitty opinions on trans ppl in sports. He is not balanced or objective in the end
This is a brilliant video with sharp and deep distinctions. I agree with with many of Peterson's personal development mantras yet am uncomfortable with his political views. You have articulated his M O so well. That's his genius I guess, reel them in with attractively packaged bait (the universal life) truths, while the underlying context is quite far right: the wolf in sheeps' clothing so to speak.
I've heard it described as a 'trojan horse' approach. That would appear to be quite apt. Have you seen this: www.currentaffairs.org/2018/03/the-intellectual-we-deserve
It's worth a read, if you haven't.
That there's so much fanart of him 💀💀💀
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don't google aoc or bernie or obama or rbg etc fan art 💀💀💀
I can't even stand Peterson's voice and tone and much less his radical posiions.
I think Peterson is so succesful (especially with young men) because he brings his message with a subtle, latent agression unnoticed by many.
JP's avid fans notice and love JP's authoritarian aggression. His aggression is neither subtle nor latent. He's outright hostile to what he doesn't like and he dismisses what he disparages by attacking it with incomplete sentences and unfinished thoughts (his Alt-Right talking points) that his fanboys have memorized and think they have come up with: they don't realize that they're just being pushed into repeating JP's ideas without actually thinking about what he's saying and why he's saying it. He's a manipulator. It's just that simple.
It's better to be a warrior in the garden, than a gardener in a field of a battle. It's not an aggression - it is not being harmless and agreeable. And if he is very passionate about some topics, so what? So is Michael Eric Dyson.
This video is very well done! I love JP's work. I have to thank you for giving him a more genuine, honest critique. That being said, if he has any ideology I don't see it. Also, while I think you have a fair point in saying he's a bit more politically involved than he lets on, I don't think he's being dishonest about it. The way I see it, he has a strong set of principles and he's not afraid to stand up against anything that violates them. I dont think he has any issues with the left fundamentally, but rather the toxic ideologies that sometimes spawn from it.
But yeah, nobody should be worshipping him or start getting tribal about it. I think what some fans fail to understand is that JP himself would be against that kind of thing...
Well said sir
I'd appreciate him more if he critiqued the toxic ideologies that come from all sides, not just the left. Does he?
@@joeanthony7759 I would say he does, it's just not as flat-out. At least he talks a lot about how culture has to adapt, so it's often not sufficient to just follow the same old conservative rules. However some level of respect for the rules is required before you can break them. Otherwise you just create lawlessness
@@Freedommjw This I completely agree with you! Jordan Peterson has told all of us his "fans" to question and to listen to other who have opposing views. Plus, he doesn't really like the term Jordan Peterson "destroys" and he's very clear about that. It just so many people misunderstood him. I agree with you, I like him because he's very firm about what he's standing up for. It's a fair game honestly, if you're allowed to be loud abt what you're standing up for then I am also allowed to be loud about what I believe in.
This video talks respectfully about how you need to think for yourself learning from how others think for themselves, this is what I needed!
This guy is extremely intelligent. This video opened my eyes. Likely that Peterson is a lobbyist for the right.
I think people really need to properly look at the claims Peterson makes. He talks a great game, but when you look at his "science", and quotes, he is often plain wrong, or mangles them to suit his narrative. What he is fairly good at is debating, but then he's only playing a game. Watch how Sam Harris quietly takes him apart in debates.
On top of that, Peterson believes in god, and when thats probed, he struggles. My take is that he's trying to somehow justify religion, while pretending to be a scientist.
He may welll have limited use making incels feel better, but the bottom line is that he's an intellectual fraud.
Yeah I've said this before. He's very thoughtful, and he toes the line for conservative values based on Orthodox Christian values. Yet the biggest problem is that he refuses to debate religion, while saying he's 'religious', he uses foundations of absolute morality combined with pseudo-science, but if you dig deep he has nothing to stand on. His science is wobbly and his religion is dogmatic, so it ends up being word salad, which he's good at. Look up any debate where he's asked about his Christian beliefs, and you will see epic tapdancing. I think he's very intelligent but unfortunately if he's going to use Christian morality to base his conservative agenda on, he should stop ignoring his cognitive dissonance.
John Caputo on the Joe Rogan podcast, when he said fornication is wrong because “it’s bad for children”, Rogan asked what if they don’t want children? He struggled for an answer! 😂
I have this sneaky suspicion, he’s a pseudo conservative and the reason he holds such views is because it’s trendy to bash the left.
Nathan Robinson sums him up nicely where he says his political views in opposing activism or challenging the system link in nicely with his self-help advice and he’s basically inviting people to be selfish and look after their own interests. Studies shows this outlook does not lead to happiness or MEANINGFULNESS. Neoliberalism, the ideology he’s such a fan of, has led to community breakdown and loneliness. Ironically, his views further the idea of being nihilistic, the very thing he claims to oppose. 😂🤦🏽♂️
@@naveed210 pseudo conservative is what the left call the centrists and pseudo liberal is what the right call the centrist.
And no, his views don't further the idea of being nihilistic, that's exactly what you want to believe. So you're trying to misquote him to prove a point just to make it seem as if you're some intellectual.
About 1,5 years ago my interest in JP began. I ate everything raw and the self-help material was incredibly appealing. I think you are basically spot on in this video. 6 months ago, I would maybe have disagreed more with you, but as I've recently realised that my approach to his viewpoints was way to uncritical I started challenging everything he said and found myself disagreeing with several of his political opinions. I am a leftist but I do have a more conservative leaning idea of some social policy issues and agree with JP on probably the majority of his opinion although I think his way of presenting his opinions is flawed. I really think you are a great input these internet politics and I think you do a good job at taking the moderate left stance which I think many of us reasonable rational young people identify with.
Well like, what do you disagree with and why didn't you do that originally?
I feel as if many ppl say "oh I disagree with much of what he says" without saying what they actually disagree with.
My brother has been a drug addict since he was a teenager. He never finished high school, grew up, moved on, and had a family. For years and years, he sat and lived off of our mother and in that time period from 17-34 years of age had MAYBE three jobs. None lasted very long an he was even arrested for stealing from one. Anyways, back in November my mom wasn't helping him and he basically had no choice but to go to treatment or the shelter. Well, he choose treatment. So far he has done great and I am very proud and happy for him. However, he's always known I'm a strong liberal. We've always just agreed to disagree. Then all of the sudden, he starts telling me he's a Democrat. He said he couldn't stand Trump and would try to engage me in political conversations that always bashed Democrats for strange reasons in my mind, but I just kept asking him to quit trying to discuss it with me. This week though has been particularly bad. He started on his "abortion is murder" tangent and started regurgitating old, flawed Ben Shapiro arguments on me and I called him out and told him to quit trolling me, I have two kids, am very sick, and am under enough stress. I don't want to argue. There is no way I am going to agree with him. I am 37 and voted for Gore the year I turned 18! I'm the liberal in the family always have been and everyone knows it, but I don't discuss it with those that don't agree with me. Anyway, when I finally got annoyed and asked him to stop, he flipped a lid!!!😠 He started calling me horrible names, said he was "cutting off communication with me because I am deranged", he twisted things I had said and called me a racist for being pro choice? It really hurt my feelings. I may have shot a few blows back, but NO name calling and NO low blows. Anyways, I remembered he had called me earlier in the day and told me he had tickets to an upcoming Jordan Peterson event and asked if my husband would like to go with him because he was also taking my mom and younger brother. I finally got around to finding out who the heck this JP is and everything is making so much sense now. Plus, he lied to my mom and said he's not political, just a motivational speaker that was responsible for my brother getting clean. Now, I am so upset that my entire family will be brainwashed AND I really do love my brother and don't want to fight with him! I just appreciated your comment and thought you might have some advice for dealing with people in this. If not, anyone feel free to let me know your thoughts on the best thing for me to do! Everything is obviously delicate with recovery. The upsetting thing is that my brother is actually a very smart guy. I am just blown away by how he can be so fooled by this man. I also don't like the manipulation of "we are on the same side here", and then proceeded to follow it up with either made-up nonsense or obscure strange things certain liberals have said. Oh well, if anyone made it through that, thanks. If not, it was cathartic none the less! 😂
@@GPlusZGaming Alison you should really learn to split up your paragraphs more. Stream-of-thought is cool and all, and authentic, but it makes it really hard to read something that long lol. Split it into like four paragraphs and the odds of someone actually making it through rather than giving up because their eyes were drifting between lines as opposed to them not caring becomes better.
Regarding Fish's split with Peterson (if you'd call it that even); what is really ironic about that is that Peterson argues that exact thing that Pakman is here, that you shouldn't take anyone at face value, and you shouldn't adopt someone's entire philosophy, as big of a genius Jung was and how much Peterson admires him, I highly doubt he adopted 100 % of the man's character. Yet a lot of Peterson fans does pretty much that...
@@Sacremas Okay, good suggestion. I am actually an educated writer, but didn't realize that internet comments were supposed to be structured. It makes sense now that you say it! I guess I just don't normally write super long ones and hadn't thought about it. 😂
Anyways, I appreciate your suggestion and will start separating paragraphs! Thanks! 😊
Alison Self Wow, that is quite the story. Thanks for sharing!! It’s terrible that your brother can’t seem to withdraw a bit from his devotion to Peterson. I like Peterson myself...though I agree with nearly all the critiques delivered in this video. The self help stuff is obvious, but he delivers it in a way that inspires one to actually take action. He’s helped me immensely overcome some pretty bad heartbreak. Nonetheless, I feel for you because I know how persuasive his ideas are-if you aren’t already equipped with a certain amount of critical thinking to start with, the ideas can sweep you in unchallenged. It’s definitely helpful I think to be familiar with other thinkers: Jonathan Haidt, Sam Harris, Richard Wolff...
I don't like him, he never smiles.
This should have thousands of likes!
7:00
Roses
I saw one photo of him "smiling"...you don't want t see it.
A grinning manic wolf...brrrrr☠️
@@johnlopperman2161 He he, thanks, I won't look for it!
@@rosesprog1722
@ 87years, thru Great Depression & 3-i/2 wars I've seen more than my share of Awful, but revolted at his grotesque manic grinning image.
IF you're ever unfortunate enuf to glimpse it & survive, feel free to correct me.
Peterson is someone in which one needs to use great discernment when viewing his videos. While I agree with him on some topics, there's plenty that I don't (he's very patriarchal with a viewpoint that women are best left at home raising kids, and for the husband be in control and exercise their testosterone fueled desires as needed). Unfortunately, he draws in insecure men who feel inadequate about themselves yet don't want to take responsibility for their shortcomings or failures and instead blame these on their mother, wife, etc.
I found it very interesting that his daughter has suffered with depression, anxiety, and self deletion thoughts. Wonder why....
i'm a huge JP fan and searched for a good critique to have a "view check", thank you!
Same. Not a fan but agreed with some ideas. I want my views challenged.
Respect to you both for being mature enough to seek opposing views
same. why i'm here. he's getting a lot of bad press as of late, and i don't want to be as miopic as the people of the left that I despise
Same thats exactly why im here. I feel like ive already picked up on at least 2 obvious issues with this critique in the first 6.5 minutes. 1. The point about JP not being right wing. But the way this guy talks about it makes it sound like 'if you're not left, youre right. No middle ground. And does not JP describe himself as a classical liberal? If i remember that correctly, then does not that jive perfectly with JP's views listed in the beginning? And 2) he claims that JP really came to prominence by his "vocal opposition to transgender pronouns." I think that is either a lazy and obtuse, or intentional and malicious mischaracterization. It could have been a number of specific issues. It happened to be pronouns. He wasn't voicing opposition to pronouns, he was voicing opposition to compelled speech, which is a drastically different point.
video should be called "the problem with peterson's fans"
yup, if anything JP should remind them to at least question him every once and awhile.
@@nicholasmaniccia1005 pretty sure he does that often
It should be titled, don't hate him cause you ain't him. Many of you commenting will never get close to what he has achieved, and you know this, and it pisses you off. Nothing more than penis envy.
@Fred Wright lmaooo
I agree but it’s still funny to hear.
It’s so true how people who hate him, are jealous not only of him, but mainly of anyone part of ‘the successful’. They want everyone equal so they don’t have to feel insecure when in actuality, they’ll tear each to shreds the second one ‘out does’ the other
Can you get him on the show again for a discussion?
I doubt it. Now he's too important for any show like this. Dr. Oz is more his bag.
neandrewthal lmfaooo dr oz
what would be the point. He's a slipppery as a fish on every issue
@chocobonita Yes
I dont think he has 50,000 to spend for an interview
I agree with this in alot of ways but I don't think Jordan necessarily cares about the amount of views or money he gets from his videos, I believe he genuinely cares about getting his message out there plus he has worked for more than 20 years in the exact same field before anybody had heard of him.
Although yes he did become anti SJW but I don't think he did that for attention he did that because it was an issue that was becoming more and more relevant and it was deeply in his field already.
The way I see it he was at the right place at the right time.
As well as being an incredible public speaker and good at getting his message out without any trickery..
He may be making more money now but I do genuinely believe that he would care more about the fact that his message has a wider audience and more people are questioning the way things are run.
So in that sense he is just like a psychedelic drug and therefore dangerous to governments and higher powers.
people have every reason to want to stop him from speaking and shut down any platform he has because he can easily damage the way a tyranical government operates just by speaking to a camera. And people listen.
He knows it. So do they..
It is not wise to go with a heart sickness to a oftalmologyst for advice as it is unwise to go to a clinical psychologist (experto in psycology in a personal/individual level) to solve social problems as inequality. If you want to know what are the best politics to solve social problems, you need an expert on social problems a social psycologist, sociologist, political philosophy and so on. Is also stupid to go to therapy with a sociologist to solve yor personal isues. There is no expert of everything, that is an expert on nothing, and Jordan Peterson is the right person to go to herapy and the wrong person to design and implement social politics, or solve social issues as gender inequality or social inequality.
Spot on. I like to watch JBP videos and I've found incredibly useful advices in his books. However, I cringe when people elevate him to a deity status.
Well, Nietche said god is dead and we have killed him. What better god than Peterson? Who cares about your cringe lol.
@@lpslancelot05 what??? Ew no, jp is a human being, a smart human being , but still A HUMAN BEING! Please don’t do that.
Finally! I feel like I've been taking crazy pills. I think for the most part Peterson is just a very competent (and clever) rhetorician and a charismatic public speaker...but when you actually step back and pick apart what he says it becomes clear that he's just pushing his own political cart and that his argumentation is often fallacious...though he's rarely competently challenged on it, at least not where his fans are likely to see
Jordan Peterson is the only person who is respected for taking simple concepts like - hungry people want food - and then turning that into an unnecessary rambling 3,000 word mess.
@@dcpayne5264 relax, he's still right in some cases; not everyone can be right. You just dislike him and that alone has already clouded your judgement about him.
@@dcpayne5264I guess you understand most of what he says
In a nutshell, his fanbase craze is exactly like religion. Beat the person who askes a question to death because JP is a God. And everything he says is the universal truth.
The irony...
It's funny that he's a psychologist but doesn't acknowledge any of that. It's pretty clear that the left isn't as fixated on personality cults as the right is, except for the usual shitlibs lining up behind Biden. I think it's just a matter of the right's typical anti-intellectual stance leading them to focus on personality and feelings.
@@MrTaxiRob Probably because no one is getting 'beat to death ' when asking a question about him... That's odd, I watched a video of a feminist showing off a needle point necklace she had made with ovaries, uterus and flowers coming out like eggs with a quote by AOC on the back And takeing pre orders from others to get their own made by her... if that's not a 'personality cult' for the radical left I don't know what is LOLzz... This host has out right lied in post and literally put out outright propaganda, go to Tim Pool channel if you want a real moderate opinion
@@LDuke-pc7kq yeah, no. How many AOC hats do you see people wearing while holding cans of soup? How many Biden rallies in the last four years? You're cherry picking anecdotes.
@@MrTaxiRob on point. The conservatives and their pedestals.
He has made himself political
Thank you so much for this. I needed something for a friend about Peterson that was balanced, critically thought out, with depth, clarity, and above all, intellectual honesty. You gave it, and I thank you.
@@Iobsterpeterson I’m right with you
Omg if you need 2 research to have a debate with a friend Just dont maybe!
@@amandaclarke1985 what’s wrong with researching? You sound dumb
@@amandaclarke1985 what
@@amandaclarke1985 so go into a debate without any knowledge about the subject?
psychology, philosophy, ideology, politics, religion - these things are inextricably linked.
It's all the same thing when you step outside thevbos and look at it.
the personal is political
Add history to it
yes they are linked so what? what does it mean?
@@Teilnehmer Regarding the accusation that he is a political figure. Having an ideology makes him a politician? Ok, then I suppose everyone is a politician?
I don't see anyone making the joke…
I'm gonna do it!
It really depends what you mean by “Jordan Peterson”
And that's that!
He is a religious crank who does not know if he is right or left or somewhere inbetween. He is subjective, unlike a scientist.He strings arbitrary threads of data to formulate a construct that seems legit.
I love listening to Peterson, I don’t agree with all of what he says , but all of it has made me think more .. I don’t agree with all of your critique but that’s why I like your show as well
the first part was less about him and about his fanbase where any celeb has only so much control over. The second one is that he ain't the only thing in the ethical and philosophical sphere and we should draw conclusions from different things. based vider
he basically says a lot of times that he "may be talking bulshit"
@@kevinthiago413 sorry don’t understand your comment
Yeah but see that’s the thing Peterson’s self help stuff can be found out anywhere I think it’s just his delivery of these universal concepts that people are so inspired I mean many of the things he talks about has been around forever especially in terms of men’s health it’s nothing new like David said. I think it’s just the controversy that attracts people to him and I’m just not one of those types of people so that’s maybe why I’m not in awe of his philosophies
@@Lichenroc some of it is for sure a lot of is grounded in his own research and work on the big 5 personality theory . I Don’t find much of what he says particularly controversial