NOTE: This is a re-upload of a previous posting of the same video that had audio issues. We apologise to those who watched that version and took the trouble to comment as your kind words are now lost. Rupert & Michael
we must never underestimate the human capacity to invent. the builders of this are not "primitive" people, nor geniuses, nor are they radically different from us. I can feel your brains hurting…¡¡too much information!! and wonder. thank you gentlemen, for taking us along with you! excelsior!
The carved boar is awe-inspiring! Must have taken ages to sculpt and it's perfect! Ten thousand years later to still show colour! Incredible! I'm sure it took your breath away being there. It took mine away watching the video. Thank you for this!
It is only when you see people walking around the area that you can even begin to.imagine the scale of all this wonder. Thank you for sharing your experiences.
Just the fact that the foxes were made as part of the stone (in relief) makes me think that the, perhaps, hunting scene as a bit of graffiti chiseled in at later date. Part three brings us two guys out standing in their field..
The Carved animals make me feel like they were trying to build a stage of nature, life, but one they could control… to the best of their abilities lol. Something I think we all have done throughout existing 😁
Great videos, Thank-you. The structures at Gobekli Tepe were constructed as safe places to shelter many hundreds of people. Large T-Shaped pillars designed to support a very strong roof made of smaller rocks, rubble & earth. Gobekli Tepe was built when the earths surface was inhospitable & so our ancient ancestors had to construct very strong shelters that resembled caves.
Ok I’m late to this but it’s amazing. Your reactions reflect the wonders of the site. To be down in amongst the buildings is awe inspiring. You don’t realise how huge and well engineered the buildings are. Being there without the sounds of the public gives the feel of a cathedral. The stonework and animals are fantastic , I love the gargoyle. It’s fascinating and truly stunning. Thank you.
Thank you. This is quite amazing to watch. I'm struck by so much of it, and your "casual" perspective with incredible access is so illimunating to many of us fellow armchair enthusiasts who have seen and followed Gobekli Tepe over the years. The video been waiting years to see! Thank you!!! Knowing how much is right below the surface, there's always a frusturation and the hope that archeologists would "just dig". But when you actually showed what it entails physically and how much valuable information is in each bucket, one can only be thankful this was discovered in the modern era with standards and protections in archeology in place. I hope this remains so into the future in order to illuminate our pass. However, please have them go underneath those stones in front of the main T-Pillar!!! WTF??!!! The fact that the "H" symbol is all over the enclosure blew me away as well. It discounts the conservative "belt buckle" theory I always fell back on when anyone said symbolism. Fuel for the fire to the difussionists and Puma Punko. :) I think, for me, the most illuminating and interesting aspect in this video was the discussion on the T-Pillars surrounding the structure being potentially "moved in" at a later date since it's never made sense that the reliefs on those pillars were carved out with such care only to be covered in stone. Certainly the number of t-pillars being found around the region supports such a possibility. Brings many questions. If the pillars were moved in from outside as support strucures, think that's what I heard, doesn't that negate any coorelation of symbols between the outer rings and main 2 that are found in each enclousre? If not, and since the outer/inner ring layout is ubiquitious there (right?) do you know if there has been any disucssion if perhaps the walls that cover the outter ring were created at later date to contain a double pillar system. And, if so, aren't they dating based on the mortar in walls and therefore, any pillar, by either of these scenaros has to be older than those dates? If even by a minute? Looking very forward to part 3 and so much more from your channel!
I would be itching to lift that slab at base of pillar if a potential storage void is thought to perhaps be underneath. Archaeologists truly are incredibly patient people. Absolutely great videos of footage and commentary. Thanks prehistory guys and Lee
Incredible finds. I lived in Ankara,Turkey as a teenager and it did feel like an ancient place. . At the time, in the late sixties, I visited Ephesus, and there were no tourist. It was almost as if the Turkish government wanted their treasures to remain undisturbed…to protect them.
This is so exciting to me. To think about what our ancestors were doing and how they were doing it so, so long ago. I love that we’re learning so much more in just the last couple years about our ancestry, our migration(s) around the globe, our earliest achievements and milestones as species. I also can’t wait for all the new discoveries and findings from the Americas that point to humans being here at LEAST twice as long as previously thought. Maybe we’ll find another human species one day… that would be really mind blowing lol Thanks for such fantastic content.
Wow! Thank you for taking us on this journey. It is amazing. As to stone working and moving ton weights. When you have watched your grandfather move ton weight machine with just levels and sometimes walking the smaller machines. You know our ancestors had these skills. They were craft people of their era. I am still blown away with the skills of our ancestors. Though I shouldn't they are us!
I happily watched the version with the dodgy audio all the way through, I was too blown away to care! Thank you so much for bringing this to us, it’s a real gift.
I've watched this 3 times now and was staggered amazed each time! I'm surprised you managed as much dialogue as you did guys I'm speechless in my seat! I wish I could live another 100 years to see the finished excavation lol great work as always guys and we'll worth a few more coffees
Exposing limestone (mostly calcium carbonate) to a wood fire would disintegrate it and turn it into quicklime (calcium oxide). Prehistoric people living in limestone areas must have discovered this fact as soon as they built their hearts with local stones, or tried to cook stuff in pots carved from limestone. Quicklime reacts vigorously with water to make a sticky paste of slaked lime (calcium hydroxide), that can be used in construction, like clay would be used in other places. As it dried, slaked lime (possibly mixed with limestone sand and gravel) would be just strong enough to be used as mortar, to hold stones together in walls; or as stucco or plaster, to smooth out the surfaces of walls and floors (allowing painting and sculpture of modest relief), and to line water reservoirs. A slurry of slaked lime is a cheap and effective white paint for walls, still widely used today. (IIRC, the houses in Çatalhöyük were repainted every year with such paint.) More importantly, over months and years this lime+limestone mortar will absorb CO2 from the air and turn back into calcium carbonate, hardening and becoming quite similar to the original limestone. I wonder whether the archaeologists who are digging up those Tepeler sites are conscious of this last fact? It may take a lab to distinguish natural limestone from hardened ancient lime mortar...
Thanks guys, incredible video - as always! Absolutely astonishing archaeology, and so, so much to learn. Special thanks to Dr. Lee C for allowing you to film there and also for giving his time so freely. 👏👏👏
I shall not re-write war and peace that i put in the first vid 😅, but will just simply say. Thank you so much for sharing the raw footage of this awe inspiring site. One day i hope to be able to visit it myself.
This type of intimate look at the sites and constructions is what I had always hoped to get from publications like Archeology magazine and Popular Archeology but they never quite delivered. Thank you so much for this. I see my coffee money is well spent. :)
Absolutely fascinating and deeply intriguing. We are so removed from the people who lived there that it is sometimes difficult to imagine the purpose and motivation involved in what they did. Presumably if any blood was present, it will still be relatively easy to detect haem/iron residues. The little niches on the north side and the circular holes are interesting. The fauna must have been quite diverse at that time but clearly certain animals had very great significance. So much work was put into producing things whose function is now hard to determine. It appears that animal and human depictions are mostly male
hello. Amazing videos from the actual site - thank you! But one thing makes me slightly uncomfortable - should you really be touching the stones and carvings? Are they not protected? The fact that they have very faint remnants of coloured 'paint' on them suggests they should perhaps not be touched as it will erase material? I slightly wince each time you touch a stone (sorry!).... It might be fine, you can reassure me here...
Hi there! That's a reasonable question. We'll ask Lee and get back to you. Obviously he was there at the time and it wasn't a discussion but I can see why it may be a concern. No painted surface was touched, BTW. Michael.
Hi - thanks for response. TBF, I've had my sweaty paws on the Avebury Stones, so I can't complain... Will be interested to hear what Lee says. And now for Part 3!@@ThePrehistoryGuys
Really is a Mystery - and are they SURE the T-pillars are in situ? That they weren't salvaged from an even earlier, grander site? Can they not date the bones in the rubble? Just as an an indicator of how long people inhabited the site. Really does offer a different perspective from the floor of the building - they are quite magnificent, but perhaps not as thick as one might expect if they were holding up a roof - think of a medieval cathedral. Certainly all lucky to have such an up-close view - I would be interested to see a plan of one of the buildings, with just the big old stones - take all the rubble out, then how does it look? So much to discover - I'm sure the place has many stories to reveal. Enjoy the journey! A truly noble pursuit - thank you!
Wow..thank you for showing just how huge those blocks were. Do you think the site is even older than they say? Did you see the block in the wall that was the same as the H carvings in the human t blocks belt?
No, no reason to believe this site is any older than given by the dating. However, GT didn't spring out of nothing. There are progenitor sites in the region - in other words, the T-Pillar sites had an evolution leading up to them. M😊
I get a Frank Lloyd Wright vibe from that type of construction. Maybe the cup marks in the benches are actually cup or horn holders, since you couldn't sit them down without spilling them. It's fun to conjecture isn't it?
F**KING BINGO MY MAN!!!!! These are Squatter Man Symbols. aka Stickman on Stone. All Indian Gods with multiple Arms - are squatter man! The hand of god is plasma configuration also. PERRATT'S LADDER THE POLAR CONFIGURATION THE PURPLE DAWN SQUATTER MAN
The pillars were cut from the bedrock at the quarry by chipping one little bit of rock at a time. But then, carving the decoration -- even that full-round jaguar -- would require no extra work. Cutting and dressing a sculpted surface or a flat surface would take about the same time; but the former would have made the work a bit less tedious, and would earn more oohs and aahs to the team who brought the pillar...
Here is another crazy (?) theory. None of those T-pillars seen in the excavation are in their original locations. They were originally part of a single large megalithic monument -- perhaps a row or circle, like Carnac or Stonehenge, perhaps a slab-covered corridor -- located somewhere nearby, such as further uphill or at the very top of the hill. Over many centuries, erosion of the soil caused most of the pillars to tumble. Then the Göbeklians -- maybe descendants of its constructors, maybe a different people -- took those pillars to decorate their dwellings and meeting halls (or whatever those structures are). This theory would explain a few puzzling things, like > Why are so many of the pillars broken and clearly reused? > Why would they all have that specific shape, which seems so inadequate for the alleged purpose of holding a roof? > Why would very modest homes, with hardly any other carved stone artifacts, have one or two pillars that should have required many man-months to carve? > Why are some pillars too short or too unequal to hold a decent roof? > Why would massive pillars be needed to support wooden roof beams over a room that is only a couple of meters wide?
...the hushed Reverence of these experienced Paleoanthropologists speaks Volumes for me. They pause, Wonder-Struck, to imagine the lives & activities of the 'Ordinary' fully-Modern People who constructed- & llived their multiple Generations of fully-Human lives amid these Extraordinary structures, Ten Thousand years ago...
We can be sure that when Gobekli Tepe was built, the surrounding landscape was very different. What remains is scarcely enough to support grazing, let alone a civilization founded upon hunting and gathering. I am a professional range manager: the second oldest profession? :Perhaps the third, after hunting, and gathering. We might imagine the landscapes surrounding Gobekli Tepe to have been completely forested; or better still, we might imagine them as a rich mosaic of interfingering types, each highly productive (most importantly from a human foraging standpoint.) We can also be sure that the overexploitation and exhaustion that was wreaked upon these landscapes led to the downfall and dissolution of whatever little stone age party they had going there. So why hasn't anybody come right out yet and stated, "We have discovered the environs of The Garden Of Eden. And we know why humans were kicked out of it." ("We have met the enemy, and he is us.)
Gobekli Tepe is NOT a temple or a burial site! It was built as a very strong shelter to protect & house people from a very inhospitable environment outside. I'm glad to see the archeologists have found were they got their water from.
Exactly, especially since only 5-10% of site has been partially excavated. This was a huge dwelling as people need homes, protection from elements (heat, cold, rain, snow), birth children, bring in either grown or gathered food, prepare and eat food and sleep. This is just a tiny fraction of the site. Plus, People do not bury dead bodies in their living quarters!!! The deceased petrify and smell very quickly and over time as they decay! They may have had some sort of ceremony but then buried away from where they live and eat! If anyone has been around a sentenel being when it dies, one would know in no way would anyone would consider keeping the deceased in their living spaces. Also, the massive amount of washed in dirt over the whole site could have been a catastrophic event such as a flood as evidence of washed in dirt and debris. No way would people spend massive amounts of energy and time filling in the site just to move on. They could have left over time because of the harsh climate and snow and ice covering their food and water sources. The growing season was short and likely shortened. People had to move out in order to survive. Also, Adult men and women had mothers and very likely spouses and children! They would not just sit contemplating the stars. Everyone had to eat!!! Plus, since they are eating (animal bones with cut marks) there had to be toileting areas away from their dwellings and living spaces. Common sense tells the story these highly skilled people live in a community and where not cave dwellers roaming around and then dropping in this incredible space to view the universe as they saw it. We have what we consider modern living however, if a population was dropped into Gobeki Tepe hardly anyone would survive. Most of today’s population are completely dependent upon a few others and modern medicine in order to survive. These folks where way smarter than us!
Just thinking around the 15min mark. That the outer t pillars were re-used because the carvings are in the wall face. Could it also be that the wall fabric itself was re-done at some point and the result was that the wall face came outward. Because when you rebuild a rock wall it usually moves out because aggregate fills in behind when you work on it
Now you guys are familiar with the geopolimers of the tepes, gobleki and karahan ,, please go to Egypt and have a good look at get a small sample of some of the capping stones on those pyramids Someone's saying they the capping stones on the bent pyramid were tested and found to be (apparently), geopolimers ??? Gentlemen, go and see for all of us, Jim , Russell Island qld The tepes, some sort of various primary produce I'm thinking, Gobleki, true purpose may ly in that cooling?heating underfoot system, Blooding incredible to find geopolimers, approx. 9000 BC, really it shows how slow we have or did progress and for millennia, Keep up the good work, looking at one of your karahan videos at the moment
The engravings and sculpture show only the features most characteristic of the animals showing they were intended to teach students to identify animals they are likely to encounter. No doubt accompanied by a lecture describing the animal's behavior, it's threats and how to capture, kill and eat it.
The big T’s are so thin front to back. What held them up? Particularly since Turkey isn’t the most geologically stabile places. There doesn’t seem to be evidence of earthquake damage though.
Urde urdina, gorer (mouth) gorria. No kidding: these are the two most basic colors along with black and white in Basque: urdin (blue or maybe in general blue-grey-green colors originally) might (???) be related to urde (boar) and/or ur (water); gorri (red) is per Roz Frank cognate of English "gore" (flesh-related).
The H and I symbols resemble the pillars. Those curves on the sides of the H and I symbols seem to resemble arms grabbing something near the H and I symbols, perhaps dragging them.
since 'they' carved/made astrological symbols in the pillars and many sites are aligned with the stars, I wonder if some of the suspected support holes supported directional post or some type of hanging representation as well? Just my crazy random thoughts. Again, I'm new to all this and am amazed and intrigued by everything. In addition to the pillars possibly being for roof support, what about a walk way? some look like they have the right angles similar to supports for elevated on/off ramps, overpasses, ect.
Does anyone know if they have used ground-penetrating radar at the lower dug-out levels of the site? I looked online and there was a very low-resolution ground-penetrating radar done years ago , but just from the air I believe.
The thing is - the 'lower dug-out levels' are already down to the bedrock. The special buildings are on the bedrock plateau already so ground penetrating radar is not going to show you anything. However, the remaining unexcavated areas have been looked at and there seem to be many other large structures under the soil. There is so much however, that it is unlikely that the whole site will ever be uncovered. The archaeological team can only do so much with the resources they have available. M.
One must remember, that everything in those days, as the symbology, is astronomical/astrologically based. Bull is Taurus, bird is Cygnus, Scorpion is Scorpio, and the others are regional symbols. The Egyptian astro symbologies have base interpretation similiarities to this use, and in other societies in the crescent, in all ages. For instance, you can date eras in Egypt, to the use of Bull, Ram, in statuary, and in the alignments of temples for certain gods, age of Taurus, age of Aries, etc, astrologically. Avenue of the Rams in Egypt is a good example.
The old theory for an H-like (or 'gate/pi') symbol in Europe was as a fire-making device. (De Vries, Altnordische Religionsgeschichte II, paragraph 499.) Boars too, were seen as fertility symbols. All very fanciful. Are those cup-like indentations on top of the right hand t-pillar on some of the others too? Or just that one? And is there correspondence in decoration between the ones that have them if there are more? I was wondering about those lines that looked like furrows, and if they were and so they are. Excellent overview and so many close ups! Many, many thanks!
@@gargoyle2585 Well, yes, like I (apparently too) understatedly said: very fanciful.😉 like the other half dozen theories I can mention of the top of my head (Janus-gate yoke-submission, Nut- arch-heaven etc, etc) I would like to know if they think those are cup marks, and if they consider them for construction purposes or something else.
Thank you. Also in the island of Menorca, Spain (Talayótic culture) There are these same t shape pillars inside the same semi circular enclosures. It is the same culture. Refugees from the sinking of Poseidonis and other big islands in the atlantic ocean arround 11 600 years ago. But long before this great deluge, the atlanteans had already established colonies from Mexico to northern India. All this is recorded in various cultures in the world. The modern scientists are the only ones who refuse to investigate this fact. Only when we forget everything about the modern world and the moder mind, we can start understanding the ancient world because it was based on a completly different way of thinkig and living. They were nothing like us today. I think.
The Talayótic culture is separated from Göbekli Tepe by 6,000 years - at least. And the Taula are very different to the GT T-pillars. I don't see how they can be connected. Michael.
I wonder how much erosion there was before it was buried? The symbols on the pillars might be astronomical. Which would point to the use for these places. It makes you wonder...so many many questions.
I am saddened by the fact that items are being removed to be placed into a museum. Context is everything. Surely the whole site should be made into a museum.
Would agree about the stuff being removed to a museum - and so would Lee - however, many, many years of excavations to be done at the site. Hard to reconcile with the visitor numbers as it is. M😊
BINGO!!! ....and there's no mention of it. "No clue" is what they said yet the symbol is World Wide! This is the Squatter Man symbol. aka Stickman on Stone. ⚡⚡ElectricUniverse⚡⚡
The images you all have shown - well I know I would be speechless if I were there in person. Earlier stills and videos just don't capture the scale of these worked stones and structures.
What would the remnants of wood be after 12 or 15 thousand years? A portion of the soil should have signs of termite, or insect protist that would be broken down by gut biome to become energy. So, there would be NO sign of the huge tree trunks forming a roof structure that held up the rubble that caved in on the site making it look like it had been intentionally buried. But to pursue that vein of thought might pay off. Cedars of Lebanon ....... then cover it to become camouflaged. Make your own cave when there is no Tuff like in Cappadocia. ? ? ?
Yes. That is the purpose of the T-Pillars: to support timber roof spans. Timber doesn't survive in the archaeological record for these kind of dates but a 'negative' (space left in fill after wood has rotted away) of a roof span was found in building C recently.
Could the animal carvings be referring to individual humans...the boar may be the chieftain. An ancient version of the self congradulatory Selfie for posterity. One pillar has lots of snakes in a vertical row...could those be generations. In the bible the Book of Kings was a type of documenting of who's who. Is the T shape of pillars there to cinch a criss cross of rope designed to hold a roof beam in situ? Are the birds queens? There must have been an authority who oversaw such industrious stone carving. Were the people who did the carvings hostages forced to work on the pillars? If there was an authority his monument will be in there, and his ancestors or lineage, or sons. Alternatively are the animals months and dates of impressive battles? Or are the animals representations of animal deities. Or all of this...
THE CENTRAL PILLARS IN ROOM B WERE OBVIOUSLY BUILT BY ALIENS WITH ADVANCED ANTIGRAVITY TECHNOLOGY!!! Seriously, those pillars cannot possibly have been there while the floor was at the present level. They do not fit into the holes of their bases. Those holes must have originally held thinner and shorter pillars, possibly wooden. It would seem that at some point, during the millennia the site was in use, the floor was raised by a metre or so (so as to be level with the "benches") with rocks and lime mortar; and then the current pillars would be held up by that fill. The floor may have had to be raised to match the level of the ground outside, that in turn had been raised by dirt and debris eroded from the hill above. If the floor had remained at the original level (carved into the bedrock, as of the present dig), rainwater seeping through the walls would have collected in the room and made it un-inhabitable.
knows somebody off this ,,experts,, the paintings off altamira???seems not,otherwise they would ask themselves:where has this culture,this artist disappear,they got extinct?where killed?and why is this on göbeklitepe 10000th years younger,such a cheap 10years old childrens shit?
This is shocking at so many levels. The way you stomp around poking and wiping everything should not be allowed at any archaeological site. Lee Clare needs to be replaced along with his manager from the Turkish Museum.
Wish you’d land on the carvings longer & in full shot. Guy with belt has arm/hand reaching down to him? Come on guys, show us the way they were communicating! ❤
NOTE: This is a re-upload of a previous posting of the same video that had audio issues. We apologise to those who watched that version and took the trouble to comment as your kind words are now lost. Rupert & Michael
Thanks for taking the time to fix the audio. This is much better.
ENTHRALLING. Being “ included” via your genuine conversations creates our attention. Splendid camera work. THANKYOU
Why am I weeping from seeing these spaces?
we must never underestimate the human capacity
to invent.
the builders of this are not "primitive" people, nor geniuses,
nor are they radically different from us.
I can feel your brains hurting…¡¡too much information!!
and wonder.
thank you gentlemen, for taking us along with you!
excelsior!
The carved boar is awe-inspiring! Must have taken ages to sculpt and it's perfect! Ten thousand years later to still show colour! Incredible! I'm sure it took your breath away being there. It took mine away watching the video. Thank you for this!
The statue of the boar is absolutely incredible!
It is only when you see people walking around the area that you can even begin to.imagine the scale of all this wonder.
Thank you for sharing your experiences.
Oh thank you for taking me on your trip with you. How fantastic this is!!!
This is an amazing video series, just so long as you didn’t steal any artifacts for the British museum. I’m watching you.
Just the fact that the foxes were made as part of the stone (in relief) makes me think that the, perhaps, hunting scene as a bit of graffiti chiseled in at later date.
Part three brings us two guys out standing in their field..
The Carved animals make me feel like they were trying to build a stage of nature, life, but one they could control… to the best of their abilities lol. Something I think we all have done throughout existing 😁
Great videos, Thank-you. The structures at Gobekli Tepe were constructed as safe places to shelter many hundreds of people. Large T-Shaped pillars designed to support a very strong roof made of smaller rocks, rubble & earth. Gobekli Tepe was built when the earths surface was inhospitable & so our ancient ancestors had to construct very strong shelters that resembled caves.
Absolutely incredible! Thank you for the access, view point and insight!
Ok I’m late to this but it’s amazing. Your reactions reflect the wonders of the site. To be down in amongst the buildings is awe inspiring. You don’t realise how huge and well engineered the buildings are. Being there without the sounds of the public gives the feel of a cathedral. The stonework and animals are fantastic , I love the gargoyle. It’s fascinating and truly stunning. Thank you.
This is one of the best things I’ve seen on UA-cam. You guys are so lucky to have been given such access.
Phenomenal! Many, many thanks to you both and, of course, Lee.
yes, all their guest/specialist, are amazing; I am learning so much from everyone.
Perhaps the portals in the walls were for ventilation, as in the Chacoan and Anasazi Kivas (e.g. Spruce Tree House Cliff Dwelling).
Thank you. This is quite amazing to watch. I'm struck by so much of it, and your "casual" perspective with incredible access is so illimunating to many of us fellow armchair enthusiasts who have seen and followed Gobekli Tepe over the years. The video been waiting years to see! Thank you!!!
Knowing how much is right below the surface, there's always a frusturation and the hope that archeologists would "just dig". But when you actually showed what it entails physically and how much valuable information is in each bucket, one can only be thankful this was discovered in the modern era with standards and protections in archeology in place. I hope this remains so into the future in order to illuminate our pass. However, please have them go underneath those stones in front of the main T-Pillar!!! WTF??!!!
The fact that the "H" symbol is all over the enclosure blew me away as well. It discounts the conservative "belt buckle" theory I always fell back on when anyone said symbolism. Fuel for the fire to the difussionists and Puma Punko. :)
I think, for me, the most illuminating and interesting aspect in this video was the discussion on the T-Pillars surrounding the structure being potentially "moved in" at a later date since it's never made sense that the reliefs on those pillars were carved out with such care only to be covered in stone. Certainly the number of t-pillars being found around the region supports such a possibility. Brings many questions. If the pillars were moved in from outside as support strucures, think that's what I heard, doesn't that negate any coorelation of symbols between the outer rings and main 2 that are found in each enclousre? If not, and since the outer/inner ring layout is ubiquitious there (right?) do you know if there has been any disucssion if perhaps the walls that cover the outter ring were created at later date to contain a double pillar system. And, if so, aren't they dating based on the mortar in walls and therefore, any pillar, by either of these scenaros has to be older than those dates? If even by a minute?
Looking very forward to part 3 and so much more from your channel!
I would be itching to lift that slab at base of pillar if a potential storage void is thought to perhaps be underneath. Archaeologists truly are incredibly patient people.
Absolutely great videos of footage and commentary. Thanks prehistory guys and Lee
Incredible finds. I lived in Ankara,Turkey as a teenager and it did feel like an ancient place. . At the time, in the late sixties, I visited Ephesus, and there were no tourist. It was almost as if the Turkish government wanted their treasures to remain undisturbed…to protect them.
When They uncovered the boar, it took my breathe away❤
thanks for giving so much effort to this,and showing us virtually all around!
I’m so fascinated by all this history
This is so exciting to me. To think about what our ancestors were doing and how they were doing it so, so long ago. I love that we’re learning so much more in just the last couple years about our ancestry, our migration(s) around the globe, our earliest achievements and milestones as species.
I also can’t wait for all the new discoveries and findings from the Americas that point to humans being here at LEAST twice as long as previously thought. Maybe we’ll find another human species one day… that would be really mind blowing lol
Thanks for such fantastic content.
Wow! Thank you for taking us on this journey. It is amazing. As to stone working and moving ton weights. When you have watched your grandfather move ton weight machine with just levels and sometimes walking the smaller machines. You know our ancestors had these skills. They were craft people of their era.
I am still blown away with the skills of our ancestors. Though I shouldn't they are us!
I happily watched the version with the dodgy audio all the way through, I was too blown away to care! Thank you so much for bringing this to us, it’s a real gift.
I've watched this 3 times now and was staggered amazed each time! I'm surprised you managed as much dialogue as you did guys I'm speechless in my seat! I wish I could live another 100 years to see the finished excavation lol great work as always guys and we'll worth a few more coffees
Exposing limestone (mostly calcium carbonate) to a wood fire would disintegrate it and turn it into quicklime (calcium oxide). Prehistoric people living in limestone areas must have discovered this fact as soon as they built their hearts with local stones, or tried to cook stuff in pots carved from limestone. Quicklime reacts vigorously with water to make a sticky paste of slaked lime (calcium hydroxide), that can be used in construction, like clay would be used in other places. As it dried, slaked lime (possibly mixed with limestone sand and gravel) would be just strong enough to be used as mortar, to hold stones together in walls; or as stucco or plaster, to smooth out the surfaces of walls and floors (allowing painting and sculpture of modest relief), and to line water reservoirs. A slurry of slaked lime is a cheap and effective white paint for walls, still widely used today. (IIRC, the houses in Çatalhöyük were repainted every year with such paint.) More importantly, over months and years this lime+limestone mortar will absorb CO2 from the air and turn back into calcium carbonate, hardening and becoming quite similar to the original limestone. I wonder whether the archaeologists who are digging up those Tepeler sites are conscious of this last fact? It may take a lab to distinguish natural limestone from hardened ancient lime mortar...
Thanks guys, incredible video - as always! Absolutely astonishing archaeology, and so, so much to learn. Special thanks to Dr. Lee C for allowing you to film there and also for giving his time so freely. 👏👏👏
I shall not re-write war and peace that i put in the first vid 😅, but will just simply say. Thank you so much for sharing the raw footage of this awe inspiring site. One day i hope to be able to visit it myself.
You're very welcome. Thanks for taking the trouble - watch out for the third part coming later today.
So much to take in from this video series! The complexity of the architecture, the carvings, the cisterns... And so much still to be discovered!
Thank you for posting.
That Boar statue is amazing after all this time you can see the red color used on the tongue. I wonder if other parts were painted now
This type of intimate look at the sites and constructions is what I had always hoped to get from publications like Archeology magazine and Popular Archeology but they never quite delivered. Thank you so much for this. I see my coffee money is well spent. :)
wonderful!
Absolutely fascinating and deeply intriguing. We are so removed from the people who lived there that it is sometimes difficult to imagine the purpose and motivation involved in what they did. Presumably if any blood was present, it will still be relatively easy to detect haem/iron residues. The little niches on the north side and the circular holes are interesting. The fauna must have been quite diverse at that time but clearly certain animals had very great significance. So much work was put into producing things whose function is now hard to determine. It appears that animal and human depictions are mostly male
Fab video, first time of getting a feeling of the shear scale of the place. Great work chaps👍
The intricate carvings are of celestrial depictions of very important moments that were of great importance.
Absolutely fabulous… thank you guys … ⚔️⚔️🙏🌍⭐️
hello. Amazing videos from the actual site - thank you! But one thing makes me slightly uncomfortable - should you really be touching the stones and carvings? Are they not protected? The fact that they have very faint remnants of coloured 'paint' on them suggests they should perhaps not be touched as it will erase material? I slightly wince each time you touch a stone (sorry!).... It might be fine, you can reassure me here...
Hi there! That's a reasonable question. We'll ask Lee and get back to you. Obviously he was there at the time and it wasn't a discussion but I can see why it may be a concern. No painted surface was touched, BTW. Michael.
Hi - thanks for response. TBF, I've had my sweaty paws on the Avebury Stones, so I can't complain... Will be interested to hear what Lee says. And now for Part 3!@@ThePrehistoryGuys
Really is a Mystery - and are they SURE the T-pillars are in situ? That they weren't salvaged from an even earlier, grander site?
Can they not date the bones in the rubble? Just as an an indicator of how long people inhabited the site.
Really does offer a different perspective from the floor of the building - they are quite magnificent, but perhaps not as thick as one might expect if they were holding up a roof - think of a medieval cathedral. Certainly all lucky to have such an up-close view - I would be interested to see a plan of one of the buildings, with just the big old stones - take all the rubble out, then how does it look? So much to discover - I'm sure the place has many stories to reveal. Enjoy the journey! A truly noble pursuit - thank you!
You guys have blown my mind, I thought this place was special but crikey it’s off the scale, my flabber has been gasted .
Wow..thank you for showing just how huge those blocks were. Do you think the site is even older than they say? Did you see the block in the wall that was the same as the H carvings in the human t blocks belt?
No, no reason to believe this site is any older than given by the dating. However, GT didn't spring out of nothing. There are progenitor sites in the region - in other words, the T-Pillar sites had an evolution leading up to them. M😊
I get a Frank Lloyd Wright vibe from that type of construction. Maybe the cup marks in the benches are actually cup or horn holders, since you couldn't sit them down without spilling them. It's fun to conjecture isn't it?
Great Doc. thanks for this.
Awe inspiring
The "H" symbols look like the ancient stonework near Cusco Peru. Could the be the same??
F**KING BINGO MY MAN!!!!! These are Squatter Man Symbols. aka Stickman on Stone.
All Indian Gods with multiple Arms - are squatter man! The hand of god is plasma configuration also.
PERRATT'S LADDER THE POLAR CONFIGURATION THE PURPLE DAWN SQUATTER MAN
Another wonderful video
Cuppa made..
what a treat for us all....xxxx guys..
peeps share share share x n
The pillars were cut from the bedrock at the quarry by chipping one little bit of rock at a time. But then, carving the decoration -- even that full-round jaguar -- would require no extra work. Cutting and dressing a sculpted surface or a flat surface would take about the same time; but the former would have made the work a bit less tedious, and would earn more oohs and aahs to the team who brought the pillar...
Here is another crazy (?) theory. None of those T-pillars seen in the excavation are in their original locations. They were originally part of a single large megalithic monument -- perhaps a row or circle, like Carnac or Stonehenge, perhaps a slab-covered corridor -- located somewhere nearby, such as further uphill or at the very top of the hill. Over many centuries, erosion of the soil caused most of the pillars to tumble. Then the Göbeklians -- maybe descendants of its constructors, maybe a different people -- took those pillars to decorate their dwellings and meeting halls (or whatever those structures are).
This theory would explain a few puzzling things, like > Why are so many of the pillars broken and clearly reused? > Why would they all have that specific shape, which seems so inadequate for the alleged purpose of holding a roof? > Why would very modest homes, with hardly any other carved stone artifacts, have one or two pillars that should have required many man-months to carve? > Why are some pillars too short or too unequal to hold a decent roof? > Why would massive pillars be needed to support wooden roof beams over a room that is only a couple of meters wide?
...the hushed Reverence of these experienced Paleoanthropologists speaks Volumes for me.
They pause, Wonder-Struck, to imagine the lives & activities of the 'Ordinary' fully-Modern People who constructed- & llived their multiple Generations of fully-Human lives amid these Extraordinary structures, Ten Thousand years ago...
I wish you would show more of those details of the repeated motifs of the H shape for example
We can be sure that when Gobekli Tepe was built, the surrounding landscape was very different. What remains is scarcely enough to support grazing, let alone a civilization founded upon hunting and gathering. I am a professional range manager: the second oldest profession? :Perhaps the third, after hunting, and gathering. We might imagine the landscapes surrounding Gobekli Tepe to have been completely forested; or better still, we might imagine them as a rich mosaic of interfingering types, each highly productive (most importantly from a human foraging standpoint.)
We can also be sure that the overexploitation and exhaustion that was wreaked upon these landscapes led to the downfall and dissolution of whatever little stone age party they had going there.
So why hasn't anybody come right out yet and stated, "We have discovered the environs of The Garden Of Eden. And we know why humans were kicked out of it." ("We have met the enemy, and he is us.)
Gobekli Tepe is NOT a temple or a burial site! It was built as a very strong shelter to protect & house people from a very inhospitable environment outside. I'm glad to see the archeologists have found were they got their water from.
Exactly, especially since only 5-10% of site has been partially excavated. This was a huge dwelling as people need homes, protection from elements (heat, cold, rain, snow), birth children, bring in either grown or gathered food, prepare and eat food and sleep. This is just a tiny fraction of the site. Plus, People do not bury dead bodies in their living quarters!!! The deceased petrify and smell very quickly and over time as they decay! They may have had some sort of ceremony but then buried away from where they live and eat! If anyone has been around a sentenel being when it dies, one would know in no way would anyone would consider keeping the deceased in their living spaces.
Also, the massive amount of washed in dirt over the whole site could have been a catastrophic event such as a flood as evidence of washed in dirt and debris. No way would people spend massive amounts of energy and time filling in the site just to move on. They could have left over time because of the harsh climate and snow and ice covering their food and water sources. The growing season was short and likely shortened. People had to move out in order to survive.
Also, Adult men and women had mothers and very likely spouses and children! They would not just sit contemplating the stars. Everyone had to eat!!! Plus, since they are eating (animal bones with cut marks) there had to be toileting areas away from their dwellings and living spaces.
Common sense tells the story these highly skilled people live in a community and where not cave dwellers roaming around and then dropping in this incredible space to view the universe as they saw it.
We have what we consider modern living however, if a population was dropped into Gobeki Tepe hardly anyone would survive. Most of today’s population are completely dependent upon a few others and modern medicine in order to survive.
These folks where way smarter than us!
Wow great stuff!
Curiouser and curiouser.
Just thinking around the 15min mark. That the outer t pillars were re-used because the carvings are in the wall face. Could it also be that the wall fabric itself was re-done at some point and the result was that the wall face came outward. Because when you rebuild a rock wall it usually moves out because aggregate fills in behind when you work on it
I miss the Vulture Stone (pillar 43). Did you have no access? Dr. Lee Clare is reported to have a theory about the interpretation of pillar 43.
I’ve never seen it from that perspective. The intelligence that these people must have had is dramatically underestimated.
Now you guys are familiar with the geopolimers of the tepes, gobleki and karahan ,, please go to Egypt and have a good look at get a small sample of some of the capping stones on those pyramids
Someone's saying they the capping stones on the bent pyramid were tested and found to be (apparently), geopolimers ???
Gentlemen, go and see for all of us,
Jim , Russell Island qld
The tepes, some sort of various primary produce I'm thinking,
Gobleki, true purpose may ly in that cooling?heating underfoot system,
Blooding incredible to find geopolimers, approx. 9000 BC, really it shows how slow we have or did
progress and for millennia,
Keep up the good work, looking at one of your karahan videos at the moment
The engravings and sculpture show only the features most characteristic of the animals showing they were intended to teach students to identify animals they are likely to encounter. No doubt accompanied by a lecture describing the animal's behavior, it's threats and how to capture, kill and eat it.
The big T’s are so thin front to back. What held them up? Particularly since Turkey isn’t the most geologically stabile places. There doesn’t seem to be evidence of earthquake damage though.
Urde urdina, gorer (mouth) gorria.
No kidding: these are the two most basic colors along with black and white in Basque: urdin (blue or maybe in general blue-grey-green colors originally) might (???) be related to urde (boar) and/or ur (water); gorri (red) is per Roz Frank cognate of English "gore" (flesh-related).
The H and I symbols resemble the pillars.
Those curves on the sides of the H and I symbols seem to resemble arms grabbing something near the H and I symbols, perhaps dragging them.
since 'they' carved/made astrological symbols in the pillars and many sites are aligned with the stars, I wonder if some of the suspected support holes supported directional post or some type of hanging representation as well? Just my crazy random thoughts. Again, I'm new to all this and am amazed and intrigued by everything. In addition to the pillars possibly being for roof support, what about a walk way? some look like they have the right angles similar to supports for elevated on/off ramps, overpasses, ect.
Does anyone know if they have used ground-penetrating radar at the lower dug-out levels of the site? I looked online and there was a very low-resolution ground-penetrating radar done years ago , but just from the air I believe.
The thing is - the 'lower dug-out levels' are already down to the bedrock. The special buildings are on the bedrock plateau already so ground penetrating radar is not going to show you anything. However, the remaining unexcavated areas have been looked at and there seem to be many other large structures under the soil. There is so much however, that it is unlikely that the whole site will ever be uncovered. The archaeological team can only do so much with the resources they have available. M.
@@ThePrehistoryGuys I see. Thank you for taking the time to write out a detailed response.
What were they doing here? Receiving instruction. Going to school.
17:18 Gosh that me me laugh so hard!
One must remember, that everything in those days, as the symbology, is astronomical/astrologically based. Bull is Taurus, bird is Cygnus, Scorpion is Scorpio, and the others are regional symbols. The Egyptian astro symbologies have base interpretation similiarities to this use, and in other societies in the crescent, in all ages. For instance, you can date eras in Egypt, to the use of Bull, Ram, in statuary, and in the alignments of temples for certain gods, age of Taurus, age of Aries, etc, astrologically. Avenue of the Rams in Egypt is a good example.
The old theory for an H-like (or 'gate/pi') symbol in Europe was as a fire-making device. (De Vries, Altnordische Religionsgeschichte II, paragraph 499.) Boars too, were seen as fertility symbols. All very fanciful. Are those cup-like indentations on top of the right hand t-pillar on some of the others too? Or just that one? And is there correspondence in decoration between the ones that have them if there are more? I was wondering about those lines that looked like furrows, and if they were and so they are. Excellent overview and so many close ups! Many, many thanks!
H - Theory is way off.. nothing to do with fire.
@@gargoyle2585 Well, yes, like I (apparently too) understatedly said: very fanciful.😉 like the other half dozen theories I can mention of the top of my head (Janus-gate yoke-submission, Nut- arch-heaven etc, etc) I would like to know if they think those are cup marks, and if they consider them for construction purposes or something else.
Thank you. Also in the island of Menorca, Spain (Talayótic culture) There are these same t shape pillars inside the same semi circular enclosures. It is the same culture. Refugees from the sinking of Poseidonis and other big islands in the atlantic ocean arround 11 600 years ago. But long before this great deluge, the atlanteans had already established colonies from Mexico to northern India. All this is recorded in various cultures in the world. The modern scientists are the only ones who refuse to investigate this fact. Only when we forget everything about the modern world and the moder mind, we can start understanding the ancient world because it was based on a completly different way of thinkig and living. They were nothing like us today. I think.
The Talayótic culture is separated from Göbekli Tepe by 6,000 years - at least. And the Taula are very different to the GT T-pillars. I don't see how they can be connected.
Michael.
How much times???how many people....😮😮😮
The plinth looks like it was broken naturally not cut. Like something fell on it or an earthquake.
Can someone kindly explain why the boar was under embargo and was kept secret? What is the reasoning behind this?
I wonder how much erosion there was before it was buried? The symbols on the pillars might be astronomical. Which would point to the use for these places. It makes you wonder...so many many questions.
Seems Shamanic and possibly Astrological to me. Maybe the H represents the bridge between altered states?
one would have to consider the geology of the area as well, like if there are earthquakes periodically and what that woudl do to buildings.
the animal in Bldg C 40 minutes struck me immediately as south American-ish
I am saddened by the fact that items are being removed to be placed into a museum. Context is everything. Surely the whole site should be made into a museum.
Would agree about the stuff being removed to a museum - and so would Lee - however, many, many years of excavations to be done at the site. Hard to reconcile with the visitor numbers as it is. M😊
The H shape in Mexico and Peru etc...
BINGO!!! ....and there's no mention of it. "No clue" is what they said yet the symbol is World Wide!
This is the Squatter Man symbol. aka Stickman on Stone. ⚡⚡ElectricUniverse⚡⚡
The "H" is the initial of the builder - Henry, I think his name was 🤪
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The images you all have shown - well I know I would be speechless if I were there in person. Earlier stills and videos just don't capture the scale of these worked stones and structures.
What would the remnants of wood be after 12 or 15 thousand years? A portion of the soil should have signs of termite, or insect protist that would be broken down by gut biome to become energy. So, there would be NO sign of the huge tree trunks forming a roof structure that held up the rubble that caved in on the site making it look like it had been intentionally buried. But to pursue that vein of thought might pay off. Cedars of Lebanon ....... then cover it to become camouflaged. Make your own cave when there is no Tuff like in Cappadocia. ? ? ?
Actually, a 'negative' of one of the roof spans has been found in the fill recently. M.
Were there roofs on these structures?
Yes. That is the purpose of the T-Pillars: to support timber roof spans. Timber doesn't survive in the archaeological record for these kind of dates but a 'negative' (space left in fill after wood has rotted away) of a roof span was found in building C recently.
what kills me is the dogmatizers that carry on with the ol' fairy tale and treat these new discoveries as trivialities
OMG
Could this have been a school of some sort, teaching the movements and habits of the animals of their world?
whakatmatua atua...
Too bad we didn’t get a good look at the steps
Shades of the Nazca Lines …
Could the animal carvings be referring to individual humans...the boar may be the chieftain. An ancient version of the self congradulatory Selfie for posterity. One pillar has lots of snakes in a vertical row...could those be generations. In the bible the Book of Kings was a type of documenting of who's who. Is the T shape of pillars there to cinch a criss cross of rope designed to hold a roof beam in situ? Are the birds queens? There must have been an authority who oversaw such industrious stone carving. Were the people who did the carvings hostages forced to work on the pillars? If there was an authority his monument will be in there, and his ancestors or lineage, or sons. Alternatively are the animals months and dates of impressive battles? Or are the animals representations of animal deities. Or all of this...
H shaped symbols, hmmmm H shaped stones at Puma Punka
THE CENTRAL PILLARS IN ROOM B WERE OBVIOUSLY BUILT BY ALIENS WITH ADVANCED ANTIGRAVITY TECHNOLOGY!!!
Seriously, those pillars cannot possibly have been there while the floor was at the present level. They do not fit into the holes of their bases. Those holes must have originally held thinner and shorter pillars, possibly wooden. It would seem that at some point, during the millennia the site was in use, the floor was raised by a metre or so (so as to be level with the "benches") with rocks and lime mortar; and then the current pillars would be held up by that fill.
The floor may have had to be raised to match the level of the ground outside, that in turn had been raised by dirt and debris eroded from the hill above. If the floor had remained at the original level (carved into the bedrock, as of the present dig), rainwater seeping through the walls would have collected in the room and made it un-inhabitable.
This is a room for teaching, not praying.
The h symbol could be a representation of a toroidal feild? Some say...maybe?
Thanks for the tour. It is incredible, but…PLEASE STOP TOUCHING EVERYTHING YOU NINCOMPOOP!
knows somebody off this ,,experts,, the paintings off altamira???seems not,otherwise they would ask themselves:where has this culture,this artist disappear,they got extinct?where killed?and why is this on göbeklitepe 10000th years younger,such a cheap 10years old childrens shit?
This is shocking at so many levels. The way you stomp around poking and wiping everything should not be allowed at any archaeological site.
Lee Clare needs to be replaced along with his manager from the Turkish Museum.
Wish you’d land on the carvings longer & in full shot. Guy with belt has arm/hand reaching down to him? Come on guys, show us the way they were communicating! ❤