We didn’t have anyone running off to fuck around then beg for stims/ammo and we didn’t move so fast that players like me who require longer stationary reloads could not keep up. Everyone had a role, everyone covered each other and everyone communicated effectively.
I recently found out that on some maps on the evacuate valuable assets mission, you can get in and out of the base by climbing down a rock on the western side, which allows you to flank the bugs and redirect them from attacking the generators. It‘s a really cool and cinematic way to do the mission, maybe you‘ll give it a try
Ah nice, will have to give it a try to spice things up! I know on one of the layouts you can get up on top of one of the rocks overlooking the outermost section, pulls everything up the slope away from the gennies too.
The fashion Specter used in this video: Helmet - TR-40 Gold Eagle (Escalation of Freedom Gift) Armour - TR-7 Ambassador of the Brand (Pre-Order Bonus) Cape - Foesmasher (Starter Equipment)
The fashion Spiked used in this video: Helmet - CE-101 Guerilla Gorilla (Super Store) Armour - PH-56 Jaguar (Super Store) Cape - Executioner's Canopy (Viper Commandos Warbond) This is my job.
Glad to find a channel where people just play instead of complain. And coming from playing purely with randoms, seeing a well oiled machine like your squad is a whole new perspective. Happy to sub to this channel!
Thanks! They can take a little while but I enjoy writing them up as well. If I was less lazy I might even do a narrated intro explaining them all, but alas :P
I love Echo's strat of bringing a shield backpack for his buddy while his buddy brings a second mech for him so he can keep a mech up the whole game. Very cool, thanks for sharing that in the description.
The bile titan coming out of nowhere in the sandstorm was one of the craziest things i've seen in this game. Yall handled that so well, I would've got obliterated lol
I much prefer the Stalwart tbh. The only downgrade is the damage per bullet but you get so many bullets per mag, better ergonomics, mobile reload etc. that it feels a lot better imo
Interesting idea to have one person take a mech instead of a support weapon, and then someone else drops one for them after the cooldown/first mech use. My Team always struggles to clear the Meganest vs bugs in a timely manner, but I'll have to try that next time. Also, cool to see you still hammering a way at this. I remember we used to play A:FE from time to time.
Mech is very powerful for the mega nest, it can tank a lot of impaler hits which is huge, you can wade in and close the holes pretty safely as long as titans are kept off you. The problem is how frequently impalers will launch you off the map. In this map we put 4 walking barrages across it first which I think was the bigger difference maker. Most stuff was clear before we even went in.
@@EchoLoss-sw1ce Yep, impalers hiding behind hordes/around corners are what create a problem for us. Aside from OPS, everything feels very inconsistent at one shotting them, and sometimes even finding them them is an issue. I like the Walking Barrage for bots because I feel like it gets a lot of use at various points in the map, whereas for bugs I feel it's less impactful aside from the Meganest. I may just need to try it for a few games to see the impact it makes, but it seems like a big opportunity cost.
Sup Reaver, long time! Just haven't got tired of the game yet, but I'm one to keep trying new ways to play. Lvl 10 was a difference maker too, think we pretty much had 9 figured all out, 10 still pushes us hard. For Impalers in the wild, it helps to keep an eye on the bug breach as that's almost always where they spawn, Impaler patrols are pretty rare. Mega Nest is the tricky one tho as they can be tucked away, which is where the Walking Barrage opener and Mechs come in clutch.
@@newspiked7385 Same, 9s have felt very chill for a while, 10s still have some spice. Hopefully it stays that way after this upcoming patch. That said, my group have never had a run this clean. You guys have it down to a science.
@@reaverred2821 Yup totally agree, we're basically using two stratagem slots specifically for the mega nest. It is OK-ish for breaches but not amazing and it can also be effective at shrieker nests as well but other things can do it better. The mega nests are where a lot of deaths happen so I think it's alright skewing the overall build towards it a bit. 380mm could be an option as well, maybe slightly worse for the mega nest but slightly better for breaches, worth trying.
The fashion Echo used in this video: Helmet - PH-56 Jaguar (Super Store) Armour - I-92 Fire Fighter (Super Store) Cape - Order of the Venerated Ballot (Polar Patriots Warbond)
Knight gets so much flak, I have no idea why except it's so hungry. One-handed weapons are more important now than ever with eggs and skulls to carry out of the mega bases.
Nice! running with my favorite bug loadout. Though I often go with heavy armor from the same set for a bit more ragdoll survivability. Quick swapping with the Eruptor so you can hip fire twice as fast and in turn chew through distant clumps of bugs while saving machine gun ammo would help you out a fair bit. But you're already a menace though so whatever lol
Yeah, I do enjoy the hotswapping with the Eruptor. I've seen some players do some really fast kills on Impalers with just an Eruptor and a GP, like 1-2-1 and they're dead. Swapping with the MG isn't quite as powerful a combo but still cool in a pinch!
@@newspiked7385 I find it isn't bad just swapping with the machine pistol or machine gun to hit the odd bug right next to you without slowing damage to a clump further away, but generally I'm just swapping to increase the Eruptor's fire rate without firing the swapped weapon. I also think the Eruptor is the worst weapon in the game to empty the clip on, really have to reload one shot early.
Good one! You boys got such a nice groove with each other. Is fun to watch. I'm a lil worried bout the game though. Lvl10 was supposed to be really hard. Your crew is doing a perfect round already. I for my part just stroll around with randoms but even that usually doesnt pose a problem. If everyone knows whats up it just works out. If they now intend to make it "easier" I'd like to have 2 more lvls above this to keep tension going. GL HF
I love the divide in this community. You have the crybabies that complain that the game is IMPOSSIBLE right now and that all weapons should get a 100% buff in all their stats for the game to be PLAYABLE (Most of them haven't touched the game in weeks and only heard about "nerfs" from drama merchants and the shithole that is the main subreddit) Then on the completely opposite end of the spectrum you have people like you who are complaining that the game might have become too easy even in difficulty 10. I kinda feel for Arrowhead, how the hell are they supposed to please both ends of the spectrum ?
@@Akabeche you got a point there. Im with arrowhead though back in the day when they said helldive is supposed to be hard and If u cant do it theres skill issues. Hell yeah! Hang in there, try out stuff, learn from failures and catch up on channels like spikeds to learn about stuff that matters. My last hope is ppl who want to down heavies with their primary switch over to space marine or something. The gameplay ive seen didnt compete with the tension and situational chaos that hd2 creates. But I dont want to judge a book by its cover, games are meant to be played after all :D
I'm fairly certain AH will add more difficulties down the line, but I guess they have to give the player skill level time to catch up too. If the upcoming rebalances make Chargers and BTs easier, that gives them a good reason to come up with higher difficulties with tougher spawns too. I'd also say - it's not like we get perfect rounds every game, even with an experienced team it's a rarity, though I guess we're setting the bar high by going for the deathless in the first place. Some of the difficulty also does seem to feel a little luck-based too - Impaler one-shots are still pretty common and can end the deathless run. Tweaks to the visual tell would help a lot there. Once those more random causes of deaths are worked out, I think there's room for them to up the difficulty more without feeling unfair.
@@Akabeche Ideally, the difficulty levels are what would let them satisfy players on both ends of the scale. I do wonder though, I do feel it is one of the strengths of this game that enemies across all the difficulties are almost all identical, it's simply the spawnrates, enemy compositions, and number of objectives that changes in the mission; but that also means if players refuse to adjust to specific tactics required for certain enemies e.g. use a combo of hard AT strats and support weapons to take on heavily-armoured enemies, it's hard to offer them a "turn off your brain, just fire your primary" difficulty mode without spawning barely any heavies altogether, which players then find boring. Maybe an easy-mode version of a Charger with weaker armour would satisfy those players while letting high-difficulty players still enjoy being rewarded for picking specific AT strats to deal with those threats, but the flipside is it just slows down the learning process for players moving up the ranks. We'll see how AH's changes affect difficulty across the board. I think in theory there is a sweet spot they can find that offers more ways of dealing with Bug Heavies without trivialising them or making hard AT choices obsolete, so fingers crossed.
Fashion used by Spiked for this video: Helmet - CE-101 Guerilla Gorilla (Superstore) Armor - PH-56 Jaguar (Superstore) Cape - Executioner's Canopy (Viper Commandos) (Sorry for stealing this one from you, Spoon)
Spiked, how do you feel about the upcoming balance changes? Im worried theyre going to make it too easy and every weapon will work against everything, instead of being complementary to other loadouts. A few minor balance changes could be nice, but it seems like AH is listening to the worst (most toxic) part of the community
That's been the worry for a lot of us too, but even with all the changes teased by Pilestedt, I think there's a way they can broaden the options for anti-Chargers and BTs without cheapening them or making the hard AT picks obsolete. So re: the AP4 weapons like the AC and AMR, it sounds like they will now be able to strip Charger armour. As long as they ensure that this new method of taking on Chargers is slower than both the pure AT's kills on Chargers/Behemoths, and also the existing matador kills on Chargers/Behemoths, it will simply be a sidegrade option rather than a do it all - if you have the skills, you should still go for the riskier but faster ass kill, and if you've invested in pure AT, you'll be rewarded with a faster / easier kill on Chargers. e.g.: - Chargers become one-shot any non-glancing bodyshot for the EATS/RR/Quasar - but we hardly see these anyway on lvl 10, so it's not too much of a drop in difficulty. Spear becomes a reliable one-shot anywhere as well, which kinda makes sense for the ammo investment as well. - Behemoths become one-headshot for EATS/RR/ Quasar - easier than the current one-legshot + finisher with your other gun, but at least you still have to aim. Spear could remain as is, requiring a lined up headshot. - All the AP4 weapons then get the old legshot + finisher method, and hopefully they can fine tune the leg armour so it does take quite a few shots to de-armour them, especially for the Behemoths. Yes, the overall difficulty level of Chargers is reduced a little, but you've made all the ATs more reliable than their current jankiness with Behemoth legs, you still keep a hierarchy within the ATs and between the ATs and the Generalists too, and with that increased reliability / reduced player frustration, you can increase the number of Charger variants at high difficulties with it still feeling fair. More broadly speaking, I think some kind of rebalance was needed because the 650 damage ATs are being overshadowed by the AT strats like OPS, Airstrikes, 500kgs for reasons of reliability alone, not just burst damage. Behemoths right now should be a tricky but very doable legshot strip then finish, but the falloff bug/oversight means you have to do the jank walking forwards, and even then it can fail at long distance. The 2-shot then is just really not worth the investment given how much quicker and easier it is just to throw down a strike. Likewise with the Titan kills - the RR 2 x headshot kill on a BT is pretty tricky but would be very rewarding if it was at all reliable - instead the hitbox issues mean I'm having to work harder when a simple OPS / 500kg would do the job even faster and more reliably. It's also a little illogical that for a BT that's been brought to very low HP with an OPS / 500kg / Railcannon Strike for example, you can finish it off with a Grenade Pistol if the belly hasn't been popped yet, but if the Belly has already been popped and there's no exposed armour, you're forced to wait for your AT to become available again. Opening up the BTs to low AP kills on the underbelly might actually be fine then as long as trying to kill the BT with no AT at all would still take much longer than just using AT - it just opens up low AP options as reliable finishers if your proper AT hasn't killed the BT already. Ultimately, we'll just have to wait and see how AH execute these changes - I feel they've made a lot of positive changes so far though, even things that I was unsure about at first e.g. the reduction of BT spawns from max difficulty, which meant the 500kg with its 2-BT kill potential was not such a must-pick. So I'll be cautious optimistic that they know what they're doing!
agreed... so refreshing finally being in a comment section where it isn't just people complaining. Either way the game will go on, hopefully the changes don't make things 'easier' just 'more ways to get the same thing done'.
@@newspiked7385 Great points. You should consult for AH, lol. To me a lot of the issues were caused by jank. If AT's reliably stripped behemoth leg armor (without needing to walk forward), if bile titan head hitboxes were consistent, the weapon complaints would go down. But those additional changes you mentioned seem fair as well. We shall see indeed
Thanks, I would love to lol. But yeah - I really feel those bugs should have been priority fixes as they affect the balance of an entire class of support weapons, and they're not necessarily apparent to players as bugs either so people may draw the wrong conclusions about the intended balance. But looks like we're getting some deeper changes anyway. Fingers crossed!
Phenomenal game guys. @EchoLoss-sw1ce @No1_diabolical_frog @originalSPECTER @newspiked7385 The absolute epitome of a great team and teamwork. I’ve had the pleasure of playing with you a few times and have had blast. One day, I hope I can join your ranks as far as a team deathless member. I just gotta get better. Until next time helldivers. Keep up the great work and I’m loving the videos.
22:14 Deathless run saved by a dead helldiver's grave stone :O THAT'S DEMOCRACY
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The fashion Frog used in this video:
Helmet - SA-25 Steel Trooper (Steeled Veterans Warbond)
Armour - B-08 Light Gunner (Super Store)
Cape - The Breach (Freedom's Flame Warbond)
Never seen this many guys interested in fashion
The only meta that actually matters
@@maximumzozzle4699 he stole ma juuuub
You can't run and rip,
without sweet drip! 😎
If I'm going to dive, I will dive well dressed!
Tight squad, staying together and comms is 90% of success in this game when you're at this level! GG!
We didn’t have anyone running off to fuck around then beg for stims/ammo and we didn’t move so fast that players like me who require longer stationary reloads could not keep up. Everyone had a role, everyone covered each other and everyone communicated effectively.
9:30 Classic horror movie “the call is coming from inside the house!” type moment!
One of your best videos Spiked! Congrats on the run.
Thanks! The most fun I have in this game is when the whole squad is like a well-oiled machine.
I recently found out that on some maps on the evacuate valuable assets mission, you can get in and out of the base by climbing down a rock on the western side, which allows you to flank the bugs and redirect them from attacking the generators. It‘s a really cool and cinematic way to do the mission, maybe you‘ll give it a try
Ah nice, will have to give it a try to spice things up! I know on one of the layouts you can get up on top of one of the rocks overlooking the outermost section, pulls everything up the slope away from the gennies too.
The fashion Specter used in this video:
Helmet - TR-40 Gold Eagle (Escalation of Freedom Gift)
Armour - TR-7 Ambassador of the Brand (Pre-Order Bonus)
Cape - Foesmasher (Starter Equipment)
Safety first.
The fashion Spiked used in this video:
Helmet - CE-101 Guerilla Gorilla (Super Store)
Armour - PH-56 Jaguar (Super Store)
Cape - Executioner's Canopy (Viper Commandos Warbond)
This is my job.
Glad to find a channel where people just play instead of complain. And coming from playing purely with randoms, seeing a well oiled machine like your squad is a whole new perspective. Happy to sub to this channel!
Thanks for the sub! We offer our thoughts and feedback, but in the end Divers Make Do :)
15:10 The space equivalent of tying a deer to your hood.
i love your write-ups in the description, all the insight into the builds and strategy is very interesting and very helpful. cheers
Thanks! They can take a little while but I enjoy writing them up as well. If I was less lazy I might even do a narrated intro explaining them all, but alas :P
I love Echo's strat of bringing a shield backpack for his buddy while his buddy brings a second mech for him so he can keep a mech up the whole game. Very cool, thanks for sharing that in the description.
Yeah - really cool strat that I need to try out myself sometime!
The bile titan coming out of nowhere in the sandstorm was one of the craziest things i've seen in this game. Yall handled that so well, I would've got obliterated lol
I actually got hit by its leg as I called it. Glad they got rid of the whole body exploding upon light contact thing.
my favorite support weapon. simple but effective
I much prefer the Stalwart tbh. The only downgrade is the damage per bullet but you get so many bullets per mag, better ergonomics, mobile reload etc. that it feels a lot better imo
Managed Democracy needs suppressing fire. Only you can provide it, Helldiver.
Absolutely textbook. Democracy well and truly dispensed.
Interesting idea to have one person take a mech instead of a support weapon, and then someone else drops one for them after the cooldown/first mech use. My Team always struggles to clear the Meganest vs bugs in a timely manner, but I'll have to try that next time.
Also, cool to see you still hammering a way at this. I remember we used to play A:FE from time to time.
Mech is very powerful for the mega nest, it can tank a lot of impaler hits which is huge, you can wade in and close the holes pretty safely as long as titans are kept off you. The problem is how frequently impalers will launch you off the map. In this map we put 4 walking barrages across it first which I think was the bigger difference maker. Most stuff was clear before we even went in.
@@EchoLoss-sw1ce Yep, impalers hiding behind hordes/around corners are what create a problem for us. Aside from OPS, everything feels very inconsistent at one shotting them, and sometimes even finding them them is an issue.
I like the Walking Barrage for bots because I feel like it gets a lot of use at various points in the map, whereas for bugs I feel it's less impactful aside from the Meganest. I may just need to try it for a few games to see the impact it makes, but it seems like a big opportunity cost.
Sup Reaver, long time! Just haven't got tired of the game yet, but I'm one to keep trying new ways to play. Lvl 10 was a difference maker too, think we pretty much had 9 figured all out, 10 still pushes us hard.
For Impalers in the wild, it helps to keep an eye on the bug breach as that's almost always where they spawn, Impaler patrols are pretty rare. Mega Nest is the tricky one tho as they can be tucked away, which is where the Walking Barrage opener and Mechs come in clutch.
@@newspiked7385 Same, 9s have felt very chill for a while, 10s still have some spice. Hopefully it stays that way after this upcoming patch. That said, my group have never had a run this clean. You guys have it down to a science.
@@reaverred2821 Yup totally agree, we're basically using two stratagem slots specifically for the mega nest. It is OK-ish for breaches but not amazing and it can also be effective at shrieker nests as well but other things can do it better. The mega nests are where a lot of deaths happen so I think it's alright skewing the overall build towards it a bit. 380mm could be an option as well, maybe slightly worse for the mega nest but slightly better for breaches, worth trying.
Fantastic job boys
Thanks!
This was my favourite run in memory! WE DID IT!!
thankfully that bile titan surprise was manageable
Echo carrying that hunter around like my daughter holding a Barbie lol
The fashion Echo used in this video:
Helmet - PH-56 Jaguar (Super Store)
Armour - I-92 Fire Fighter (Super Store)
Cape - Order of the Venerated Ballot (Polar Patriots Warbond)
The only time I'm not wearing my usual armour...
@@SpoonRacing20 I think I just started a war....
@@RenSojiro get your own job 😡
Amazing strategy and team play as always. Looking forward for the next videos!
I love this loadout. Been running it for the past week.
Except I’m going with the Knight, because I only get to use it when I have a supply pack.
Knight gets so much flak, I have no idea why except it's so hungry. One-handed weapons are more important now than ever with eggs and skulls to carry out of the mega bases.
fantastic team coop
Meta this, meta that, have you ever met a bile titan in a sandstorm before? That shit is scary.
Nice! running with my favorite bug loadout. Though I often go with heavy armor from the same set for a bit more ragdoll survivability. Quick swapping with the Eruptor so you can hip fire twice as fast and in turn chew through distant clumps of bugs while saving machine gun ammo would help you out a fair bit. But you're already a menace though so whatever lol
Yeah, I do enjoy the hotswapping with the Eruptor. I've seen some players do some really fast kills on Impalers with just an Eruptor and a GP, like 1-2-1 and they're dead. Swapping with the MG isn't quite as powerful a combo but still cool in a pinch!
@@newspiked7385 I find it isn't bad just swapping with the machine pistol or machine gun to hit the odd bug right next to you without slowing damage to a clump further away, but generally I'm just swapping to increase the Eruptor's fire rate without firing the swapped weapon. I also think the Eruptor is the worst weapon in the game to empty the clip on, really have to reload one shot early.
Good one! You boys got such a nice groove with each other. Is fun to watch.
I'm a lil worried bout the game though. Lvl10 was supposed to be really hard. Your crew is doing a perfect round already. I for my part just stroll around with randoms but even that usually doesnt pose a problem. If everyone knows whats up it just works out.
If they now intend to make it "easier" I'd like to have 2 more lvls above this to keep tension going.
GL HF
Make two more difficulties? Give us a week.
I love the divide in this community. You have the crybabies that complain that the game is IMPOSSIBLE right now and that all weapons should get a 100% buff in all their stats for the game to be PLAYABLE (Most of them haven't touched the game in weeks and only heard about "nerfs" from drama merchants and the shithole that is the main subreddit)
Then on the completely opposite end of the spectrum you have people like you who are complaining that the game might have become too easy even in difficulty 10.
I kinda feel for Arrowhead, how the hell are they supposed to please both ends of the spectrum ?
@@Akabeche you got a point there. Im with arrowhead though back in the day when they said helldive is supposed to be hard and If u cant do it theres skill issues. Hell yeah! Hang in there, try out stuff, learn from failures and catch up on channels like spikeds to learn about stuff that matters.
My last hope is ppl who want to down heavies with their primary switch over to space marine or something. The gameplay ive seen didnt compete with the tension and situational chaos that hd2 creates. But I dont want to judge a book by its cover, games are meant to be played after all :D
I'm fairly certain AH will add more difficulties down the line, but I guess they have to give the player skill level time to catch up too. If the upcoming rebalances make Chargers and BTs easier, that gives them a good reason to come up with higher difficulties with tougher spawns too.
I'd also say - it's not like we get perfect rounds every game, even with an experienced team it's a rarity, though I guess we're setting the bar high by going for the deathless in the first place. Some of the difficulty also does seem to feel a little luck-based too - Impaler one-shots are still pretty common and can end the deathless run. Tweaks to the visual tell would help a lot there. Once those more random causes of deaths are worked out, I think there's room for them to up the difficulty more without feeling unfair.
@@Akabeche Ideally, the difficulty levels are what would let them satisfy players on both ends of the scale. I do wonder though, I do feel it is one of the strengths of this game that enemies across all the difficulties are almost all identical, it's simply the spawnrates, enemy compositions, and number of objectives that changes in the mission; but that also means if players refuse to adjust to specific tactics required for certain enemies e.g. use a combo of hard AT strats and support weapons to take on heavily-armoured enemies, it's hard to offer them a "turn off your brain, just fire your primary" difficulty mode without spawning barely any heavies altogether, which players then find boring.
Maybe an easy-mode version of a Charger with weaker armour would satisfy those players while letting high-difficulty players still enjoy being rewarded for picking specific AT strats to deal with those threats, but the flipside is it just slows down the learning process for players moving up the ranks.
We'll see how AH's changes affect difficulty across the board. I think in theory there is a sweet spot they can find that offers more ways of dealing with Bug Heavies without trivialising them or making hard AT choices obsolete, so fingers crossed.
@15:40 you see E2 carrying the bug with him LOL
I can shooow you the woooooorld
Awesome tight squad action as usual.
Just sad to see Specter joining that horrible fashion trend of butter heads the game is currently plagued with 😅.
Oh I think he started it all to spite me XD
HIGH VIS YELLOW FOR SUPER SAFETY HAVE YOU NEVER HEARD OF SOSHA REGULATIONS?!
The way it meant to play
9:32
That was terrifying in the moment. Sand storms are so good.
dunewail.mp3
Sandstorms are my fav weather and this was a perfect moment as to why
Fashion used by Spiked for this video:
Helmet - CE-101 Guerilla Gorilla (Superstore)
Armor - PH-56 Jaguar (Superstore)
Cape - Executioner's Canopy (Viper Commandos)
(Sorry for stealing this one from you, Spoon)
Wtf 😭😭😭
Why? :(
They took yer jeeerbs
IT’S A WALK-OFF!
What I don't understand is how a bug can still call in a bug-hole without its head...
You know when you're going to throw up and you pass the point of no return and it's coming out one way or another...?
You assume that’s the end the noises are coming out of.
It would be amazing if they made suit that can let move normally when cought in static field.
would be a nice buff for the arc armours!
Spiked, how do you feel about the upcoming balance changes? Im worried theyre going to make it too easy and every weapon will work against everything, instead of being complementary to other loadouts. A few minor balance changes could be nice, but it seems like AH is listening to the worst (most toxic) part of the community
That's been the worry for a lot of us too, but even with all the changes teased by Pilestedt, I think there's a way they can broaden the options for anti-Chargers and BTs without cheapening them or making the hard AT picks obsolete.
So re: the AP4 weapons like the AC and AMR, it sounds like they will now be able to strip Charger armour. As long as they ensure that this new method of taking on Chargers is slower than both the pure AT's kills on Chargers/Behemoths, and also the existing matador kills on Chargers/Behemoths, it will simply be a sidegrade option rather than a do it all - if you have the skills, you should still go for the riskier but faster ass kill, and if you've invested in pure AT, you'll be rewarded with a faster / easier kill on Chargers. e.g.:
- Chargers become one-shot any non-glancing bodyshot for the EATS/RR/Quasar - but we hardly see these anyway on lvl 10, so it's not too much of a drop in difficulty. Spear becomes a reliable one-shot anywhere as well, which kinda makes sense for the ammo investment as well.
- Behemoths become one-headshot for EATS/RR/ Quasar - easier than the current one-legshot + finisher with your other gun, but at least you still have to aim. Spear could remain as is, requiring a lined up headshot.
- All the AP4 weapons then get the old legshot + finisher method, and hopefully they can fine tune the leg armour so it does take quite a few shots to de-armour them, especially for the Behemoths.
Yes, the overall difficulty level of Chargers is reduced a little, but you've made all the ATs more reliable than their current jankiness with Behemoth legs, you still keep a hierarchy within the ATs and between the ATs and the Generalists too, and with that increased reliability / reduced player frustration, you can increase the number of Charger variants at high difficulties with it still feeling fair.
More broadly speaking, I think some kind of rebalance was needed because the 650 damage ATs are being overshadowed by the AT strats like OPS, Airstrikes, 500kgs for reasons of reliability alone, not just burst damage. Behemoths right now should be a tricky but very doable legshot strip then finish, but the falloff bug/oversight means you have to do the jank walking forwards, and even then it can fail at long distance. The 2-shot then is just really not worth the investment given how much quicker and easier it is just to throw down a strike.
Likewise with the Titan kills - the RR 2 x headshot kill on a BT is pretty tricky but would be very rewarding if it was at all reliable - instead the hitbox issues mean I'm having to work harder when a simple OPS / 500kg would do the job even faster and more reliably. It's also a little illogical that for a BT that's been brought to very low HP with an OPS / 500kg / Railcannon Strike for example, you can finish it off with a Grenade Pistol if the belly hasn't been popped yet, but if the Belly has already been popped and there's no exposed armour, you're forced to wait for your AT to become available again.
Opening up the BTs to low AP kills on the underbelly might actually be fine then as long as trying to kill the BT with no AT at all would still take much longer than just using AT - it just opens up low AP options as reliable finishers if your proper AT hasn't killed the BT already.
Ultimately, we'll just have to wait and see how AH execute these changes - I feel they've made a lot of positive changes so far though, even things that I was unsure about at first e.g. the reduction of BT spawns from max difficulty, which meant the 500kg with its 2-BT kill potential was not such a must-pick. So I'll be cautious optimistic that they know what they're doing!
agreed... so refreshing finally being in a comment section where it isn't just people complaining. Either way the game will go on, hopefully the changes don't make things 'easier' just 'more ways to get the same thing done'.
@@newspiked7385 Great points. You should consult for AH, lol. To me a lot of the issues were caused by jank. If AT's reliably stripped behemoth leg armor (without needing to walk forward), if bile titan head hitboxes were consistent, the weapon complaints would go down.
But those additional changes you mentioned seem fair as well. We shall see indeed
Thanks, I would love to lol. But yeah - I really feel those bugs should have been priority fixes as they affect the balance of an entire class of support weapons, and they're not necessarily apparent to players as bugs either so people may draw the wrong conclusions about the intended balance. But looks like we're getting some deeper changes anyway. Fingers crossed!
If the Eruptor had pen 4, it would complement the MG43 perfectly.
Phenomenal game guys. @EchoLoss-sw1ce @No1_diabolical_frog @originalSPECTER
@newspiked7385
The absolute epitome of a great team and teamwork. I’ve had the pleasure of playing with you a few times and have had blast. One day, I hope I can join your ranks as far as a team deathless member. I just gotta get better.
Until next time helldivers. Keep up the great work and I’m loving the videos.
Thanks so much man! We'll make it happen :)