The Dark Origin of Your Favourite Fairy Tales
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- Опубліковано 3 лип 2024
- Explore the dark origins of beloved fairy tales! Discover the shocking, grim, and adult themes behind classics like Sleeping Beauty, Cinderella, and Snow White, revealing their true, unsettling roots.
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I'm German and grew up with the unedited version of the Grimm's tales. My mom would read them to me way before I could read myself.
And I take it that you were never emotionally scarred because of it!
Don't forget about the other "children's" storys he didn't touch upon. Max und Moritz, Struwwelpeter and the likes. All pretty graphic and cruel.
@@darlenefraser3022Maybe you would be 🙄🤷🏻♀️
My German grandma always told us the adult versions. Even as little kids
@@BloodangelsNightcoreis Max und Moritz the same as Hansel and Gretel?
In Denmark we have a relatively common saying from the Grimms' version of Cinderella: "chop off a heel and cut off a toe" meaning to make an ill-fitting or poorly thought out solution work to 'solve' a particular problem.
Perreault didn't hesitate to hammer home his morals, either. Each story concluded with a poem laying it out. Little Red Riding Hood's poem explicitly pointed out that the most dangerous predators walk on two legs.
@@SuperKendoman Don't go off the path and don't talk to strangers. The most charming strangers are the most dangerous.
@@GallifreyanGinger Most charming? Like psychopaths? Man, these fairytales were really ahead of their time and the people telling those tales just wanted to keep their kids safe. I respect that
@@SuperKendoman the writer said what the moral of the story is in the script and Simon read it in the video
@@GallifreyanGinger And take extra care with strangers, even flowers have their dangers, and though scary is exciting... "nice" is different from "good". /Into the woods
Don't talk to strangers
Red Ridding Hood story I grew up on (90's) was the dark one but instead of luring the wolf with sausages the huntsman and the ladies sewed rocks into wolf's open stomach. When the wolf woke up it got very thirsty, went to drink from well but when it leaned inside the well to drink the weight of rocks caused it to fall inside and drown
isn't that the story with the seven goats?
YES! This is the version I remember and believed was the Grimm version
I hadn't heard of that version before. That's interesting, thanks for sharing!
Man, I really really wish our Renaissance Faire had survived past COVID, etc, because I loved live acting stories like this. 😊
I had a video of cartoon fairytales when I was younger. That was exactly how the story went. They even showed the wolf trying to hold on to the well with all 4 paws and the huge bloated belly hanging in it!
I'm 68 and learned to read quite early. I do recall reading a large, older book containing fairy tales and rhymes for children. Distinctly recall Cinderella being abused and the stepsisters cutting off their toes to try fitting into the glass slippers. Also remember the wolf in little Red Cap as you told it. None of these traumatized me. 😊
GenX 😁
@@poonoi1968 Uh...someone 68 was born between July 1955 and June 1956...they're a Baby Boomer.
@@frocat5163 🤣Math
Yeah, Im 51, so actual Gen X. I too learned to read early and was a voracious reader. My parents would let me read, whatever I wanted to, and I could just come to them and ask any questions. None of those old fairy tales traumatized me. Tho "The LIttle Girl with the Brimstones" never failed to make me cry, but my parents had a good talk to me about the story, so it was an early lesson in feeling compassion for others. First read that, when I was like 5y old.
You have only a few years left to turn into a mass murderer because of the trauma those stories caused to you. 😉
In Romania, the original versions of these stories would be called "pilde". We'd hear them from grandparents, it would often be really easy to see the meaning behind the story even as a kid. They would praise good traits (courage, hard work, kindness) and present the defeat of bad ones (laziness, cowardice, cruelty).
My personal favorite is about a father kicking his lazy son out until he'd earn some money for himself by working. The mother in her kindness and mercy gives the boy money to present to his father, who throws the money in a fire. Seeing the boy's lack of reaction he tells him to WORK for his money. The boy returns after a few weeks to his father with money, this time earned. He again throws his money in the fire, but the boy this time reaches into the fire and burns his hands to save the money. The father tells him he can come back, having taught him a lesson.
You can draw your own conclusions about the stories and why they are infinitely better than the sanitized ones we have today.
I must be weird, because I read the older versions first. Sleeping Beauty was raped, Snow White died, the Little Mermaid sacrificed herself and became seafoam, and Cinderella's slipper was fur. I laughed so hard seeing Into the Woods when Red's Grandma suggests putting stones in the Wolf's belly with stones "and then we'll watch him try to run away" because that was the version I had read first.
I have a treasure. My neighbor was moving away and since I had babysat her kid for years, she gave me a gift. It was a fancily decorated and illustrated book of old fairy tales -all the old versions I knew. That was 40 years ago and I still love it
Im Danish, so I grew up on H.C. Andersens fairy tales. The originals, not the wishy-washy Disney versions. It really made me an early critic of movies butchering original books. I think, I can count on 1 hand, when I have not been very disappointed in a movie adapted from a book, that I had already read. And I read a lot. Hence, I never really like the Disney versions, coz they seemed dishonest to me.
I think something is lost when children grew up with Disney instead of the original stories. (Including Winnie the Pooh)
The sadness in Anderson’s stories is very wholesome somehow.
Now with JUST that summary I'd be far more interested in watching a film of that grim a nature.
No, you aren’t unique. I did as well as other people I know
@@dfuher968not many people want to sit through a six hour movie. They can’t include everything. People who demand the entire book will never be happy. It’s a book; it would be impossible to take into account your imagination
I think some of the Grimm versions could still be used today because kids can handle more than people think they can
Maybe, but I am pretty sure their parents can't.
We need a part 2 for this one ! I’ve been curious about these dark original tales for a while.
Check out The Ressurectionists (sp) and Jon Solo, they both go over the origins of fairy tales, nursery rhymes, etc.
@@TrineDaely thanks. I was actually using this video as a researchless way of finding the originals, but was a bit disappointed at how little information I got.
Simon, the legend, helping American introverts out on the 4th of July! Thank you sir!
They day we rejected the British Empire and chose freedom?! Heck yeah!!! 🎉🎉🎉
@@harristiller9631What kind of freedom do you have that the rest of the modern world doesn't? Try not paying your taxes and then tell me how free you are.
@@LalaDepala_00 what makes you think any society can stand in direct contradiction of The Social Contract? You think you are God? And I only pay requisite sale, duties, tariffs and property taxes. What are you talking about? I don't work for anyone else and I'm not a slave. You might consider joining me in the Law of the USA!
@@harristiller9631 No thanks I'm doing good where I am. You sound triggered.
@@LalaDepala_00 you sounded like you were attacking the Social Contract I swore to fight 7 times military and leo. What do you expect when you trigger the legal and lawful trigger for action? I will not be intimidated by pseudo Science pop psychology into agreement with lawlessness and lack of order. Nor will I suffer any allusion of inpropriety on my part! Understand now? You violate social contract equals game on! Let's play!!
Interesting how older versions taught valuable lessons. When I grew up in the 90s, fairy tales had already erased their original meanings.
Morals were only added to the tales by the collectors who published them (and only as a publishing fad for a short period of time). The tales didn't originally have poetic or blatant moral explanations after them. They were just stories that were shared as entertainment.
Disney cleaned them up I remember reading the original Snow White and Cinderella in class during computer lab in middle school I was shocked to see how dark they were and then checked out a book of Grimms Fairytales and have been obsessed ever since
@Toastcat890 I didn't say they didn't change them. I said they didn't change them "the most." And unless you went to school in an archive, you haven't even read the original written version. The Grimms immediately changed their version of the stories for a new publication. Everyone who collected folktales did. They changed elements that were confusing or too dark, they added morality sections at the end, they changed characters, and they changed locations and outcomes. Folktales have been changed countless times by countless people, and the thousands of publications are each different. So, who changed them "the most" out of all of that?
@@nbarnes6225Partially true but not fully true. It's more of a mix.
@@Shoelessjoe78 Are you a folklorist?
My grandmother had a huge book of the Grimm Brother's fairy tales when I was little. I vividly remember reading about the Cinderella's stepsisters trying to fit their too big feet into the glass slipper. Their mother handed them a knife and told them that when they live as princesses they won't be needing to walk anyway and fitting the slipper on was the most important thing. One stepsister cut her big toe off so the slipper fit, and for a while the prince was fooled, but on the way to the castle he noticed the glass slipper filling with blood. So he concluded that this is not the girl he was looking for and returned to the house. The other stepsister cut her heel off, and the glass slipper fit. Same thing happened again. (There might have been a part about birds singing to the prince to look at the bloody slipper, and afterwards pecking the stepsisters' eyes out, but I might misremember some of that). I think I was in the first grade when I read that book.
I'm especially fond of the ending to Snow White in one of the versions I read during a folklore class in college. At Snow White's wedding to the prince, the evil queen was forced to wear a pair of red-hot iron shoes and dance until she died. Also, in _Rumpelstiltskin,_ when the miller's daughter / queen reveals Rumpelstiltskin's name, he stamps his foot so hard he gest stuck in the ground, and when he tries to free himself, he yanks on his foot so hard he tears himself in half.
I love the real fairy tales...
@@frocat5163way more satisfying for children imo
The first versions of any of these I read was in The Brothers Grimm Collected Stories. My Mum still had the copy she read as a little girl in the 1920's. They were pretty dark and scary to the young me.
Frankly, a world where certain people think it appropriate to edit or censor the original versions of any book is not a world of true intellectual freedom.
Like the Bible
@four_20hitman___97 sort of. Except the fairy tales changed gradually over time from storyteller to storyteller and the Bible was very deliberately edited in order to conform to the narrative they wanted to establish
Like Roald Dahl
@@CTP909the stories in the Bible had been passed down from Storyteller to Storyteller over centuries before being written down.
There's been poetic licence since there was poetry, history, and prose
😂😂😂😂😂
I did a whole section on this during my history degree and it is genuinely, to this day, one of my favourite topics to talk about. The societal reasons why these folk tales would be passed along is fascinating (and really gives you an insight into how life was like for the vast majority of people throughout our histories). A lot of the horror aspects were more-so commentary on how life was like in feudal society. Hansel and Grettel is a commentary on infanticide and the often evil step-mother archetype of a multitude of stories is a commentary on how mothers often died in childbirth and fathers had to remarry, and how any children from previous marriages would always outrank new siblings in inheritence. Similarly, the r*pe of Sleeping Beauty could be seen as a metaphor for how the nobility viewed the bodies and lives of their subjects without ever out-right inciting treason.
And, never get inebriated around entitled blokes
I'm Australian and I grew up on the Old Stories.
And what did I learn;
Braids are strong.
If someone is choking drop them.
Men can't be trusted around inebriated women.
If someone faints then loosen the clothing.
A brick in time saves swine.
And, Blue beards can be more dangerous than blue balls.
Growing up in Switzerland, I was raised with the uncensored version of the Grimm Fairy Tales. It's interesting that Psychological studies in the US (where the Disney version was common) showed how damaging the Disney adaptation are for children. At the same time, I have yet to hear of any studies or just consequences for the uncensored versions of the Grimm fairytales told in Central Europe. Censorship may be the true danger for children.
Do you remember any details on the differences?
Interesting never heard of that study but it makes since as the Disney versions are extremely unrealistic and sets you up for false hope
@@Toastcat890 yes, but it’s also not realistic for the devil to ask for your daughters literal hands that are replaced by silver prosthetics that later grow back. I don’t think the lack of realism is the interesting part of that statement. What is it about Disney’s unrealisticness that impacts kids negatively compared to the more brutal Grimm original or other interpretations
@@williamkline7922 The idea of your Prince Charming coming to sweep you off your feet and if you don’t think girls are affected by this think again plenty of women are looking for that perfect man sold to them by Disney and the romance genre in general.
@@Toastcat890 I didn’t say that. This is why I’m curious. If the lack of realism in one direction has a negative impact but the other doesn’t is why I think it’s important to investigate. I just want to know what the differences are.
How gruesome really is the fairytale we will tell our children about a man that trapped a group of people in a blazement forcing them to endlessly write and edit scripts for the ever expanding Whistlerverse? 🤔
I'm convinced he has clones and that's how he has so many channels.🤣😂
Ohhh I thought you mean Santa and his elves :D
@@PetrSojnek Have you ever seen Whistler and Santa in the same room?
@@HS-su3cf Oh yeah! that's why Santa always wears a hat, so we can't see he is bald!
Finally the into the shadow we need.
I remember being quite traumatised by Perrault’s _Peau d’Âne_ (Donkeyskin) growing up. This young princess has to disguise herself under the skin of a donkey in order to flee from her father’s advances towards her. Nice!
The Brothers Grimm and Mother Goose were really the Stephen King of their time.
I had a feminist lit class in college back in the ‘80s where we read SF and fantasy written by women. We spent a week or two on both original fairy tales and ones that were reworkings of classic stories. Really fascinating stuff! My favorite stories were in Don’t Bet on the Prince, edited by Jack Zipes, who also edited the Grimm’s Fairy Tales collection I still have.
Amateur folklorist here.
An important thing to keep in mind is that the idea of children being innocent and needing protection is relatively new. A reason why people generally had more children than today is because there would be more hands to help out, which would then mean more food on the table. This began changing during the Enlightenment but took off during the Industrial Revolution. As technology and innovation made life easier and a new class began to emerge (the middle class), there was more leisure time and children were able to be, well, children. As time has gone on, the age of childhood has gotten longer because we’re not scrambling for survival.
That’s not to say that parents back then hated their children or saw them purely as a means to an end. In most cases, it was far from it. They strove to teach valuable lessons and morals through stories that were easy to remember. Far more palatable to hear a story about evil and how it can be overcome instead of encountering evil and not have the tools necessary because you didn’t want to frighten them.
In regard to Disney “sanitizing” stories…there was much more going on than just Disney being a prude. Filmmaking is a very different medium than oral or even written storytelling. You don’t have near as much time to devote to every single detail, especially in animation (which is probably the most involved filmmaking technique). Disney also had to deal with the Hays Code (a self governing body that dictated what can and can’t be shown on screen). By the time the Hays Code was abolished and filmmaking techniques evolved, Disney had developed its formula and, hey, if it ain’t broke, right?
So were fairytales for children? Yes. But they were also for adults.
Quite interesting seeing the original versions. I also agree with modern storytelling, some stories we need to show kids just how dark the world is, as cautionary tales. Rugging kids up in cotton wool is the worse thing we can do, as in trying to never show them, that sometimes you lose, and you get nothing or no happy ending despite how hard you work, or how pure you are.
@AaronScottLawford Santa Claus does not exist,
And there is no Easter Bunny
You'll find out when you grow up
That Big Bird isn't funny
Life's gonna suck when you grow up,
When you grow up, when you grow up
Life's gonna suck when you grow up,
It sucks pretty bad right now.
You're gonna end up smoking crack,
On you're back, face the fact
You're gonna end up hooked on smack
And then you're gonna die
Children probably prefer the more gruesome stories. And the sad ones like the little mermaid.
I think it's also needed for developing emotional regulation. The first time a kid will experience grief, loss, terror etc it's not real, the story ends, it's supervised and can be come to terms with safely. By sheltering kids, the first time they experience these things it's real, and not all safe - and all that with no way of dealing with it.
@@mortisratI know way too many 30+ year olds who have never experienced grief or loss. Not even a pet.
Here in Norway we often have the story about the Troll that abduct the princess, and keep her as a slave. Truth is, that the princess didn´t necessarily disapprove to being kept as a "slave" by a "big" Troll who had collected a lot of gold and other treasures.... But as you say, sanitized for kids.
A cautionary tale about child grooming or predators?
@@SuperKendoman Yea, and about sexual awakening.
An ancient Norweigan stealing a beautiful woman for his house. How unheard of
Freeway with Reese Witherspoon and Kieffer Sutherland is a modern retelling of Red Riding Hood that is hard to beat, Reese is awesome in it!
I remember reading The Little Matchstick Girl when I was younger, and absolutely loved the story (can't remember if it was Grimm or Anderson who wrote it) and found out that Disney had made a short of it. It both did and didn't tell the same story, since some elements were the same, but it completely erased the fact that one, the girl was told to sell the matches or get beaten, and two, she essentially gave up on life just for a brief bit of warmth by lighting all of the matches at once. I can't remember everything about the differences but it was enough that it annoyed me.
It’s a typical sad Anderson story. Just like the little mermaid.
I remember watching a non-Disney cartoon of The Little Matchstick Girl where the girl freezes to death. I was around 9 years old when I saw it and I wrote a poem about it where the girl dies in the end. It made it into the local newspaper but they changed the end so that the girl just got tired and she fell asleep. Apparently they couldn't handle a child discussing death.
At my Renaissance Faire our group has a story teller (aka the Narrator) who, with us actors, told stories from Grimm tales, etc. One of my favorites was Snow White because the "queen" would send the huntsman to kill Snow White and bring back her heart in an ornate box (as instructed by the narrator). When he did the queen would immediately take out the heart and eat it raw. Often followed by the gasping shock of the audience. lmao. At least the ones who hadn't heard it before.
I was born and raised in switzerland and growing up, I was read the “original” or non-edited Brother Grimm stories. I didn’t know that most kids don’t know the stories the way I did.
I own a beautifully illustrated copy of a medieval themed Snow White. In the end there is a picture of metal poutines (those long toed shoes) laying on the ground in front of the dungeon while the Prince and Princess are in color going up the stairs. Because the mother had been forced into red hot shoes and made to dance until she died.
I took a class in Fairytales in college. The professor was shocked I'd already knew the original stories. Thanks Grandma.
Let's not forget the original version of The Little Mermaid. In order to get legs, the sea witch must cut out her tongue. And because her body is not meant for land, each step she takes is like walking on the blade of a knife.
And she didn’t get the prince. And now I think of it, isn’t it a warning against giving up yourself for someone that doesn’t really love you?
人狼 (Jin-Rou = Jin-Roh: The Wolf Brigade) has an old German version of Little Red Riding Hood as a kind of framing devise. The old version are still available but more often toned down.
I loved that movie. Still need to check out the Korean live action adaption of it.
@@musashi939 Completey forgot that there is one. It's one of the rare anime that are actually suited for kive action but the question is as always why? Let alone whether it reaches the quality of the original.
When I was in the second grade, our teacher read us one of the original versions of Cinderella it was pretty cool. I remember the evil stepsisters getting their eyes pecked out by Birds by the end of everything. As well as a bunch of other mutilation in between. Considering we were second graders, it was rather interesting that she tried to show us the progression of literature.
Sadly, we don't need horrific fairy tales to teach our children hard life lessons or about the dangers of the world. All we need to do is sit down with them while watching the news, do nothing while our neighbors abuse them or to send them to school knowing they could be shot there. Sad, but there you have it. Reality has become more horrific than creepy fairy tales.
My Nana read me all of the old fairy tales. Her family still had the virtually ancient books as they were aristocracy. I was shocked when my friends would talk to me about fairy tales and had no idea just how horrific they really were. The books were so old I was not even allowed to touch them and she only ever handled them with gloves on. I had a fairly odd childhood compared to most kids my age, to say the least. I loved it all though. The education I received at home far exceeded anything I received at school, or well, via curriculum. My school was founded in 1794 and because I was a respectful kid, I was allowed access to the rare books section of the library, until another kid stole one of the books on ancient satanic worship and summoning (not the censored version of Christianity, but prior to the great purge of literature in the late 19th century), he decided to practice the things in the book at school and all of the books were taken away. I f*ckin hated him for doing that. It was my happy place.
Simon, you are truly a great story teller.
Just starting vid, but as someone who wrote a 15 page paper on the evolution of the Cinderella story AND did multiple art projects about dark folk tales from around the world and the Bros. Grimm tales, pretty sure I'll know at least most of these origins.
If I remember correctly, in a picture book from my childhood the huntsman killed the wolf. I remember because I didn't like it much cause in a picture he looked too much like our family dog lol
He had to cut open the wolf to get Gma back.
Loved the video as always :)
One version of story origins is Women Who Run With the Wolves by Clarissa Pinkola Estés. She did a lot of research about our childhood stories and how the actual story is different. It's a good book and both men and women are encouraged to read it.
Born in the 70´s and had old books to read from my grandmother. old versions of the Brothers Grimm tales and to boot some Wilhelm Busch and "Der Struwwelpeter". Did not traumatize me but told me valuable lessons. Are some of the themes in these stories dark? - for sure but i think still for today children and even adults could use some darker stories - because sometimes life is dark.
I'm German and I grew up on the Grimm stories. I never recognized them as particularly terrible but maybe thats because I have Aphantasia and don't see stories in grafic details.
As an older German, I grew up with the Grimm-er versions of the tales. Although that was quite in line with some other 'educational entertainment'.
I do have a soft spot for these. And also see some value in some of them.
There's a tale called Der Eisenofen - literally the iron oven - that talks about a prince caged in an iron oven and a princess having to cross mountains made of swords and other painful obstacles to free him. There's an interpretation that this is a metaphrocial depiction of overcoming narccissism that's quite compelling. It lead me to look at the old tales from a different angle and look for possible life-lessons. Particularly, because many of the stories were told among women working together. There's sexual innuendo in them. And true advice baked in. It's fascinating.
I was raised by educators who found middle ground stories but otoh they never censored what I read. Nor did I with my own children and my eldest used to watch criminal procedural drama with me.
Sondheim, alone, did these stories justice.
Finally, an Into the Shadows that I don't mind watching. Great episode Simon! Thanks!
I was lucky to get the undiluted versions. They fascinated me. The reasons they were harsh is because sometimes life was harsh. They talked about things that really could happen. Steeped in magic and morals, but the intention of the cautionary tale always comes through.
Great stuff, Simon. Keep it up with some more Grimm fairytale lore, mate 😎
In Spain, my great grandmother gifted me a collection of fairytales in cassette, and even though they were dubbed in Spanish and some in Catalán, they were definitely not for squeamish.
In Catalán we also have the story of El Patufet, who gets eaten by an ox and so the parents feed the Ox until he blows up and out comes Patufet, jajajajajaja.
When I read "Little Red Riding Hood", I imagined the brightly colorful cartoon characters playing out this dark, gruesome story.
04:43 - Guilty as charged
I loved that when i was a boy, watched it countless times on VHS!
When I did my NVQ in Childcare and Early education I did a presentation on how Disney has sanitised many fairy tales, as well as made the world think they wrote them.
Ive heard that these stories were originally bad. Never would i have thought they were THIS bad.
Reality is stranger than fiction sometimes, I remember my mother telling me about a cannibal king that ate only little babies because he liked how "tender" the meat was, he was so depraved that in royal courtyard he would have a fountain of wine and slabs of meat draped around like a forest of meat. Look up emperor Zhou if you're interested
I grew up with the darker versions of most stories. My parents even had a version of the 1001 Arabian Nights which were just as dark as anything out of Europe.
While I knew those stories had much darker origins, I had no idea they were THAT dark. Can you imagine Disney staying with the original theme?? Our childhoods would have been quite different.
The problem is that today most only know the Disney versions of the fairytales and forget that they were written by the Grimm Bros and Hans Christian Anderson from stories older than them. We need to claim them back, fairytales shouldn't always have happy endings.
Would love to have a copy of all the original fairy tales! 😊
@TobernSavage They are all available, you just have to search the net. I can also recomend One Thousand and One Nights, a collection of Middle Eastern folktales/fairy tales.
Try project Gutenberg for digital versions of Grimm fairytales, they have a lot of older works digitized.
So to anyone that grew up on grimm's tales. I just wanted to know if you felt, as a kid, about graphic violence etc. It just feels it just went over my head. When you are a kid and someone tells you that huntsman cuts open the wolf's belly (while wolf is still alive), you don't conjure the gory picture. Actually when I was older, I often thought "yeah those fairy tales? If you take them really seriously and read all the words for what they really are.... It is really dark." But as a kid? Naaaah, I think we try to protect kids too much, they don't really need it, they have their own shield of innocence, that protects them, while learning important lessons (like do not talk to strangers in the forest).
Most people never read the original grimms fairytales, and it shows.
Fairytale phobia does backstories on her videos, and they're oretty good. I always like hearing the crazy themes behind the stories i heard as a kid.
Half German but remember hearing the actual stories growing up. Then watched the movies (VHS for most). Years later found myself scratching my head while rewatching and realizing they were wayyyyyy off the original story. 😅
Surprised Tarantino hasn't done a film version of the true Fairy Tales!!! 🤣
I have read through the two most common European versions of Cinderella and Cinderella is definitely a stronger character and in both the step mother isn't messaged a lot and it focuses more on the step sisters. If you want a modern retelling that is closer to the original then try Ella Enchanted the book not the silly film. Also I wwas just reading about Sleepy Beauty and it is debated whether the first and second parts of the tale were originally one story or two.
Half German but same. I remember being tomf the tales and then seeing the movies. Older me rewatching found myself scratching my head when I remembered the original stories. 😅
As Simon was describing the Brother's Grimm "Snow White," I realized that's the only version I truly remember! Disney is losing its hold on my fairytale memories...
A particularly good outro!!
Fairy tales back then were a warning to not talk to strangers and to not go into the woods alone. THe old crone who lives in the woods could be a witch, and the woods themselves had their own dangers like wolves. The racism and antisemetism was just a product of their time, but the lessons on not doing dangerous stuff was always the same
In the (dark) version of Little Red Riding Hood that I remember, it ended with the grandmother and girl placing stones in the wolf's stomach and sewing it up before escaping with the hunter, tricking the wolf into thinking he was still full from his meal so he would not chase after them once he awoke.
No joke, I actually had read the Brothers Grimm version of Little Red Riding Hood when I was about seven or eight years old. And I don't know whats more disturbing; that I knew for years about the wolfs fate or that I actually felt relieved ny it.
my grandparents bought me books of the original French fairy tales including Hans Christian Andersen one year for Christmas because I was a book fiend as a child. guessing they didn't read them ahead of time, but I was kind of a spooky Wednesday Addams type child so it worked tbh. I like horror and spooky media and urban legends/cryptids as an adult but I wouldn't buy those for a kid in my life now-- those stories weren't originally for children like the Disney versions, they were stories told over chores between adults or to teens/tweens to prepare them for adulthood-- Little Red Riding Hood being a prime example of the latter.
ADHD rant 😂
When I was very young, my parents read me the slightly sanitised versions, then when I could read by myself (I think I was about 6) they gave me mum's old fairytale books which had the original versions by the Grimm brothers and other famous authors. I loved them. Mum and I both agree that Bluebeard was one of the best. It's her favourite, but my favourite is The Goose Girl which y'all should read. It has a talking dead horse head and an awesomely gruesome ending. Honestly I think it's the most gruesome ending ever. I love it and I've loved it since I was a kid. Also if something was too dark for me to handle reading, I would just stop reading it. The same with sex stuff, I would be like this is too intense, I don't want to read this so I would skip ahead to after the sex scene, until I was about 15/16. We didn't have any limits on what I was allowed to read, my parents just trusted me. And mum and I pretty much always read the same novels due to us liking them. I'd suggest ones to her and she'd suggest ones to me. The only ones I've seen on her shelves that she never did was the 50 Shades of Grey books, and since I also started reading erotica when I was an adult, I also don't give those ones to her to read. That'd just be weird because it's mostly about the sex and kinks you're into or interested in. We don't need to know that information about each other.
I remember my grandma telling me that many fairy tales were dark (she's 99, so she knew about lots of stuff with "darker" origins lol), so yeah, she didn't really like them of course because I thought I was smart, I didn't believe her, until I was older.
10:10 I grew up in Germang and remember a version of Little Red where, after Red and the Grandmother are saved, the Wolf's belly was filled with stones and sewn shut. When the wolf awakes..he's thirsty and either goes to a well or a stream..falls in and drowns because of the rocks
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Fairy tales have nothing on nursery rhymes. I taught Kindergarten for 30 years and when i would explain what the rhymes meant, to other teachers, it would horrify them. The origins of tales has always fascinated me. The English could be stunningly dark.
This was really well written
I grew up in the 90's and remember the version of red riding hood where they then put rocks in his belly. When he then woke up and wanted to drink he fell in the water and drowned.
Being from germany I had the leisure of growing up with the infamous Struwwelpeter stories, but also Max und Moritz, Blaubart (Bluebeard) and part of the Nibelungenlied. Obviously it inflicted long lasting emotional trauma, I turned into a weeb afterall. On a more serious note, I think these stories helped to shape my moral compass very early on BECAUSE they were gruesome. Learning about the origin of these fairy tales has a certain familarity to it, even though I also only knew the disney version of each.
Add Walt Disneys involvement with the C.I.A in Latin America and the U.S with his outlook in making these fairy tales, and that makes for a real nightmare brew.Sweet dreams Simon.
I took a kid lit course back in the late 80s that was heavy on fairy tales and folk lore. We had to get a very specific version of Grimms Fairy Tales because the professor wanted to be sure that we got the unsanitized tales. I don't remember much from back then but I seam to remember that stuff growing from buried body parts was a recurring thing.
1) You don't have to wear makeup if it feels bad to you.
2) Only set yourself up to do one thing you hate at a time and in a row - so for me mornings are overwhelming because of non-autistic physical health issues. So having a shower in the morning makes getting out of bed at all just that much more impossible. Knock that terrible thing into the evening and it's a lot more doable. I still hate it but I can do it.
3) There are unscented products out there! There are ones that don't lather and ones without colorant and all kinds of variants for whatever you're trying to avoid, they exist now! There is even more than one company producing them now too, so if one doesn't work for you try another one.
4) Baths. Baths, people! Shower = hard, hitty, spitty, unpredictable water; baths are the opposite of that and they still get you clean.
5) For the ladies: I put pads on sitting at my bedroom desk. Now that I say that I realize if I was doing it for period purposes this might be messy. I'm incontinent due to a botched operation so I'm wearing them to avoid peeing on myself so there's nothing messy to worry about when suiting up. I'm still leaving this here for all my older ladies! I keep them in a desk drawer exactly opposite from the dresser drawer that holds my undies so I come out from the shower, sit to put my undies on, and there they are!
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7) If flossing is a problem try switching to a Sulca brush - no it doesn't mean you don't have to use a regular toothbrush first because you don't use paste on the Sulca.
*bonus tip - make sure when you're trying different flavors of toothpaste that you are still getting fluoride cause a lot of them don't have it.
I am born mid 60's. My dad used to read for us kids from Grimm/Andersen and Wilhelm busch. I feel sorry for the kids today because besides having some troubleing views from the today's standpoint all the stories had a message. I think they were a school for life. Like if you work hard enough, or never trust strangers etc etc. If you look at the youngsters today most are naive
As a kid in Poland, I read Hans Christian Anderson's tales. And I always suppose the glass is half empty.
I knew these things because it's my culture and race that has been culturally appropriated by those types of The Daily Wire, thank you very much, sir!!!
The film a company of wolves told the original story of little red riding hood
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Why do we insist in sanitising the world for our children? Childhood is a time for preparing to face the world on our own, so learning about the dangers and pitfalls that we will face in that world should be a part of growing up. It's cool to encourage dreaming and the pursuit of personal goals, but knowing about the context in which those goals will be realized is vital.
The Grimm Brothers were their days Disney. The stories still had happy ever after endings. Life isn't happily ever after.
The original little mermaid story is of beautiful sadness. She could walk yes, but that was very hurtful. And she didn’t marry the prince, but became a kind of cloud.
I think something is lost when children grew up with Disney instead of the original stories. (Including Winnie the Pooh)
How does kissing a sleeping girl speaks of consent?
Well, said didn't say "no" I guess🤷😅
Those fairytales are pretty common in Germany and Austria. Even today Max and Moritz or Struwelpeter are known by younger children.
Anyone heard of this comic book called FABLES? It's about various fairy tale and folklore characters coming in the real world and living in New York. It has a game adaptation called THE WOLF AMONG US.
The snow-white version was just like in the Grimm tales book i grew up with and going to pass on because of its beautiful Style and illustrations.
The only difference is that in my version is the queen being the stepmother, not the natural mother.
Having a stepmother, i always wondered about the hostility towards stepmothers.
My parents read me and my sister the Brother Grimms version when we were 4-6 years old. I can’t remember being scared by the violence rather finding it funny
Ya, I read Grimm fairy tales when I was in my 20's, back in the late 70s. And they were GRIM!!!!!!!!!!!!
Funny how the term ‘fairy tale’ these days is almost completely understood to not really show how life really is, but simply ‘Disneyfied’.
When i saw Hercules in the theater, i was almost certain we wouldn’t see Herc kill Megara as the Greek tales originally told.
SOME FAIRY TALES ARE VERY, VERY DISTURBING AND LONG-LASTINGLY DEPRESSING TO YOUNG CHILDREN... ONE EXAMPLE: WHEN I WAS JUST 3 YEARS OLD, MY MOM TOOK ME AND MY BROTHERS TO AN INNOCENT MOVIE CALLED "BAMBI"; IT WAS EXTREMELY DISTURBING TO ME AT THE TIME (AND HAS ACTUALLY STUCK WITH ME TO THIS DAY) WHERE THE BABY DEER'S MOTHER WAS SHOT DEAD BY HUNTERS AND THE BABY BAMBI HAD TO FEND FOR HIMSELF THEREAFTER WITHOUT HIS BELOVED PARENT FIGURE TO CARE FOR HIM.... MADE ME FEAR FOR MY OWN BELOVED MOTHER'S SUDDEN DEATH AND DEPRESSED AND DISTURBED ME DEEPLY AT THE TIME AND FOR MANY YEARS THEREAFTER.....
I’m surprised you didn’t mention Peter Pan. The original book he’s a psychotic maniac, hook is actually the good guy
Because it's not an old folk tale. But yes it's messed up.
I'm not at all surprised that the Nazis twisted the story of Little Red Riding-hood in the way that they did. The same vile theme was depicted repeatedly in Der Sturmer. Incidentally, the 1937 movie adaptation of Snow White and the Seven Dwarves was a favorite of Goebbels and Hitler.