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An interesting theory why the Chaos Gods don’t enter more deeper in the Warp is that it is a place where all sense of individuality is lost or consumed, and even the powerful Chaos Gods fear entering it for they will be destroyed or changed completely. The Deep Warp may also be the birth place of gods, and that means that there is something in there that gives birth to those gods, which could be more powerful than the Ruinous Powers.
@ Ork: “Lemme talk so’s even yoo humies kin get it. •clears throat• Kairos said ‘things,’ hence in the succeeding elaboration by each head, it would be deemed appropriate to use the noun form of the adjectives ‘cunningly brutal’ and ‘brutally cunning.’ Now, if one is not so versed in the usage of ‘cunning,’ one might forget that it can be used as both an adjective or a noun, hence the use of the modifier ‘brutal’ instead of ‘brutally.’ •clears throat• So’s yeah.”
Imagine the deep warp tearing at the fabric of the universe to where things like Space Marines, Demons, Ships, Races and whole worlds are merely the toys, and backdrop for endless beings using them for an endless series of games in which they are mere playthings used for these beings personal and frivolous amusement...
oh you mean like us? We use it as a fun game. running little funny battles with toy soldiers. we can rewrite lore, we can do all things that the entities within the universe can not. Are you sure we are not the entities of the deep warp?
Indeed. Though it is more than that, gravity has an impact on the warp. Warp space is different around stars and blackholes than it is in the deep void. It's a part of how astro-navigators can steer ships towards celestial objects in real space while in the warp.
@CptFoolKillah Nid lore is the only place for that kind of info. I've only read a little but one of the things I read had the hive mind noting that this galaxy is especially volatile in the warp
I actually believe due to existential laws that might differentiate a bit in each universe, it can be possible that warp gods have effects on those universes too, but they are not so much in tune with them meaning they have miniscule to no influence in them at all, or that this warp is meant exactly specifically for 40k universe, and Well of Eternity gives access to "other" warp dimensions which are connected to other universes, a nexus point.
@TheLostPrimarch Terrifying... the Well of Eternity could possibly connect to other, much older universes that have even older and more powerful warp entities.
What if, at the bottom of the deep warp, is a window that shows that the great game is being played by humans, on a board, pushing representations of people around on a table, and the fate of them all is being decided by a hand full of dice in a sweaty shut ins hand...over, and over, and over again.
In an amazing way, This is a concept in the Super Hero DC comics. Supermans villain Lex Luthor finds the wall of all knowledge and travels through it, and finds out his universe isn't real. It's something DeadPool figures out too.
If the Warp is the collective psyche of all things with souls, the Deep Warp is probably like the collective unconsciousness where things buried even deeper than our emotions are. Think of it like the materium being you awake, the Warp being your dreams, but the Deep Warp being parts of you you don't even consciously realize, that you only unconsciously interpret in your dreams. Basically the Warp's Warp. Daemons and the Warp gods are capable of thought and reason, but I imagine there are even greater entities that actually are just mindless and that can't be reasoned with, because they aren't made by solid influences like excess, decay, scheming, or violence. An example of this concept would be Abnormalities from Project Moon's Lobotomy Corporation universe, where monsters born from humanity's unconsciousness can be brought forth to reality, but have set behaviors the player has to learn and work around.
I'm still surprised none at Black Library thought to write of some Imperial planet that used Warp entities for energy production. Imperium already has Vortex Grenades, aka weaponized warp, thus it comes to reason they had tech to harness warp for electricity, at least in Dark Age of Technology.
Legend has it if you go deep enough into the Warp, you'll encounter a race of ratlike people worshiping a horned king... follow their sickening green rock lanterns, and you'll emerge in an older world....
Easy to discover what is hidden within the Deep Warp: send Titus. He is the hot character now that has the power of Plot Armor, along with the fact of being an Ultrasmurf (you know, the invincible characters of the setting). Just don't let Leandros know about it.
Titus would destroy it for simply being Warp and refuse to tell us what it was only saying it was "Foul Trickery of the Warp. Nothing More" and move on
1. The deep warp is the collective awareness/thoughts of the subconscious/instinctual mind. 2. The deep warp houses or literally is THE one true choas god. All others are just aspects of. 3. The deep warp is a place where self cannot exist. Imagine intelligence without self awareness. How alien that would be? A "chinese room" it learns to speak but there is no one behind the voice.
"The deep warp is a place where self cannot exist. Imagine intelligence without self awareness. How alien that would be?" So, the aliens from Blindsight book?
I think of the Deep Warp similar to how Stranger Things defines the Upside Down. A place where a powerful enough will, 11 etc (Chaos Gods etc) can alter the very nature of existence, but there is still something within it that is very nefarious, the Mindflayeresque- (The True Chaos God), and is only allowing these other wills to have influence for whatever reason it deems. But ultimately, everything is serving towards its intention, whatever it is, as it is really unknowable what it is, and what it intends.
@@TheLostPrimarch…speak more of my home…hopefully…you won’t go mad…or may be you should…😈… Also…why would they come back from what you mortals call…the deep warp…
In the old lore it is hinted there but one Chaos God, the great abomination, the unspeakable beast and all the other gods are just its various facets. Those that delved too deeply into this lore were carried off by daemons. Perhaps it resides in the deeps, waiting, watching.
Funny, the tzeentch big birdie ended up looking like Imperium Aquila lmao. Would be funny if Kairos meeting Big E in there and ended up aged after listening to his rambling.
I think what it did to him, is send him to the end of Time itself, meaning, he somehow survives until the end of everything, and thus is why he alone has returned from the Well, because only he that has entered it, lives to that point to begin with. It would explain why his present mind is absent, but his knowledge of all history and all future are active. He lived all history, he lived all futures, but he himself was at the end of it all and the beginning, in order to make it so he can see all past events, and all future events. His present is never /there/.
So when warp was a calm space, was deep warp also different? If it’s not turbulent even with all of current civilizations, what was it back then? And was it a safe place or not.
@@TheLostPrimarch There is a way to know. You just have to go there. If you survive long enough, you'll know what it used to be like. ...oh, sure, you won't make it back to tell anyone, and you might only know for a fraction of a second if you're lucky, but there's a chance of knowing! xD
Tzeneetch: "There's massive burning hole that even I don't know... and all I have is this Lord of Change." Kairos: "Lord Tzeneetch what are you doing?!" Tzeneetch: "Come here you little fuckin' chicken!" --Astartesanonymous
The old ones left the main setting, probably to another galaxy, different dimensions, or most likely so far deep in the warp they set themselves up a separate kingdom untouched by the influence of gods or mortals the eldar traverse the webway undeterred mapped out
My two ideas: A) it is an axis of increasing metaphysical-ness. Like the feelings of the feelings of mortals. B) 40k is limited to the milky way and to the timeframe shown therein. So it is a connection to other galaxys warps. If you swim long enough you'll reach the tyranids hive mind. Or the pantheon of sesamy street. No one knows the strange feelings of beings of other galaxies.
I think that there you can find the Lovecraftian Void with all the baddest stuff worse than demons, Chaos gods and various monsters of the classic chaos realm: Other demons, other gods and other monster, but with more tentacles and more eyes.
Nicely done, I remember some old lore about dead god corpses or shells there of being tucked away in the deepest part of the warp of the warp. Maybe that's where they sent the 5 chaos god that the writers snuffed out.
Continuing that "Warp is an Ocean" analogy. What if the "chaos gods" are actually human Pareidolia of the wave forms of the warp. Much is said how the warp defies logic. What if that's because there is no logic, no sapient entities. Instead there is unfathomable infinities. We think we see four gods, the same way we think we see gods in constellations in the starry night.
My guess is the Warp is supposed to be fueled by the living. All the energy comes from life. The uppermost layers are a psychic mirror of the species making the imprint. We personify the entities and act as if they have will but they are more like AI chatbots. Expose them to the Internet and they say racist crap. The Warp gods reflect our own worst emotions back on us. There are supposed to be positive versions as well like korne being honor and virtue as well as blood and killing. Just like life is good but growth unchecked is cancer. Hi papa nurgle. This has been explored in lore with some chaos librarians saying the demons are just loud warp echoes and not alive and it pisses them the hell off. So in a way you could think of the Warp gods as universal forces that can screw with you. Like imagine if gravity or entropy could mess with your head or seem to talk to you. It's not technically alive but is doing a very good approximation. And gravity really wants you to fly close to a singularity. For the kicks. And even if you know it doesn't actually want anything it's whispering in your ear and you feel tingles up and down.
In fact, Tzeentch suspects that it's not Kairos, but some unknown entity that pretending to be him, and came to the Realms of Chaos to spy and study. Therefore, Tzeentch constantly drags him into dangerous, deadly situations, hoping that he can force this entity to "open" itself.
Tzeentch threw Kairos in there cos he was scared to go in himself. When Kairos came back all messed up Tzeentch noped any thoughts about going in himself. Though, given that god aligned daemons are actually all little extensions of the chaos gods themselves, Tzeentch throwing Kairos in there was more akin to Tzeentch dipping his toe in the water and finding it mutated into something weird when he lifted the toe back out.
Except for that John French, the writer of that story said: ____________________ "Daemons are not living creatures. Each one of them is a facet of a Dark God’s power and nature. They are semi-independent, but ultimately they are only fragments of a greater whole. The mortal servants of Chaos are also slaves to the Dark Gods, their minds and bodies are twisted by the Warp, but they can still make decisions, hope, dream, and despair. They can plot and betray. That mortal independence, ultimately, is what makes the Gods crave their souls. So where does that leave Kairos Fateweaver? Tzeentch wanted to look into the Well of Eternity but would not risk to go himself, so sent one of his Daemons, which is actually part of him… and now Kairos Fateweaver knows more of the future than Tzeentch himself, while existing as part of him. How does that work? The answer is that it doesn’t. It makes no sense - because that would mean that Tzeentch both knows all of the future and past and does not. It means that part of him is, in one way, more powerful than the rest of him. And that’s fine. It’s fine because the story of Kairos Fateweaver, and the Well of Eternity, is just that; it is a story told about something mortal minds cannot understand, and can only describe through metaphor. The Well of Eternity is just a name. There is no hole in the middle of a fortress that does not exist that goes down for ever. Tzeentch does not literally listen to his Daemons. All these things are just skins that are pulled over a part of the vast, intangible malevolence of the Warp. The truth really cannot be known. How cool is that?" ____________________ So there isn't a literal deep warp or even a literal well. It's all metaphor, written in a manner which we can't truly understand as with most things of the warp.
Beyond the Deep Warp (4th Wall) lies the real world. Kairos just saw that he is just a plastic toy for grow-up men to play with and went completely insane. Shriveled wings and two heads is just someone KitBashing him way too hard while he was in our world.
Playing as Kairos Fateweaver in Warhammer 3: Total war, I initially thought he was weak, but then realized he can spam 'Blue Fire of Tzeentch' every few seconds and annihilate monsters and characters from afar while flying. His teleportation 'Ambush' is also crazy powerful, and ensures the upper hand in nearly any battle. Love playing him.
In this context the warp reminds me of playing Subnautica, the deeper you go the crazier and hotter it gets until you reach that lake of lava at the bottom of the ocean
How do you even enter such a place unscathed? Be crazy enough to align every possible version of yourself and object your traveling with across every dimension and reality and enter the deep warp in synchronization. This would also include thoughts. That would be the issue and barrier to travel into such a place. Not even the chaos gods could do that because it would require some way to send a message to all realities in the deep and hope it doesn’t come out garbled and corrupted or create new creatures from just the message. Kairos or however you spell his name would have unknowingly been in sync with his other versions of himself but not all of them when entering and when returning you see the result and the fact he was able to return at all was due to the level of synchronization across realities. The creatures that emerge unscathed from deep warp will have existed across all possible realities and versions of physics and would basically absorb the universe that they enter like an eraser and the universe disappearing into their essence.
Perhaps Deep Warp is actually The toilet in GW headquater,where artists form their craziest ideas during lavatory nap,that's why Kairos was scared,cuz it was so nurgle(poops) and tzeetch(ideas) at the same moment,he failed to comprehend.
Emperor is the Warp entity that ancient Eldar tried to make a Pokemon out of back in thr days of War in Heaven, but this primordial embodiment of destruction/cleansing/creation through *fire* was not something Edlar psychology could handle and they banished it back into Warp and myth. Human shamans succeeded and avatar of senseless creation-destruction was born, utter extreme of humanity in all ways. "Beautiful eagle from hell who brings an end to all things", to paraphrase the Eldar mythos. The *Angel Exterminatus*. Emperor/Dark King doesn't bear the insignia of a two-headed eagle for nothing. Nor is he a puppet of the Four Principal Powers of Chaos. Kairos is a puppet, an impostor, a double agent of the Dark King in Tzeentch's palace. Emperor had 25 sons. 24 if you believe Omegon is but a shade of Alpharius and not a truly is independent actor. Four of these gene-sons were sacrificed on Molech to the Gods and Emperor tricked them, likely taking more than was bargained for. And what he bargained for were Lesser Gods of the Warp, concepts, enslaved to his will and shoved into bodies of his gene-sons.
i think if Vashtorr becomes a full 5th god, he might have the advanced technology to create a "daemon-submarine" that can survive the "crushing depth of the abyssal zone"
Sadly that seems utterly improbable unless a writer decides to smoke crack (as usual), simply because from how it seems, ''the deep warp seethes, its a living thing, it takes the power of a tortured sun to puncture through the shalowest depths, string a dozen battleship reactors and you still get nothing more.'' ''Some men boast about being able to travel in the warp, but they are merely skidding across eternity's face'', those descriptions alone tell you basically you need a C'tan worth of energy to even TRY to go the deep warp and those unfortunate that do enter it through other means.. Well. We've never heard of them anymore, its more like the deep warp is either the bottom abyss of the warp or literally a place of the subconcious mind, alien to sentient beings, where individuality dies, and only raw thought and insanity mooks around, not even the astronomicon goes past it.
That's my theory. Trying to say "there are other terrifying things from other dimensions than the warp" is cheapening the warp that is supposed to be that truly unknowable and infinite things. And anyways, the warp hosts plenty of minor dimensions, pocket dimensions, etc.
In the Horus Heresy book, The Path of Heaven, when the stormseer is trying to find a clear route to Terra they talk about the winding paths deep in the warp. That whole section blew my mind when I read it. Maybe the (webway) pathways exist in the deep warp. The Old Ones were the ones that created them initially which were around before the warp was all churned up.
@TheLostPrimarch I don't think paths made in the deep warp can entirely erased. If that were the case, the emperor would have wiped out his great work in the webway and started over. He would never had to sit on the golden throne in perpetuity. Now it just links directly to the warp instead of the isolated webway. Somewhere out in the deep warp is where I would hide if I wanted to hide from any material or warp based sentient entities. No one would be dumb enough to try to survive in a place where the chaos gods will dare not go.
THIS IS ALL EXPLAINED IN THE DARK FUTURE NOVELS in the the deep warp the "ancient ones" reside, they are the old gods gods to the chaos gods and they fear them.
My headcanon is that every human soul goes to the deep warp after death (if chaos gods gets one soul it is only the copy as explained in Aaron Dembski-Bowden's book) and are reincarnated in our world
I think this is where the Tyranid Hive Mind exists. Other videos have already covered its incalculable intellect and psychic power, but also having that ability "a shadow in the warp", this deep warp seems like a good home. Well, with the exception that the Hive Mind exists so deep in the deep warp that it can't gain sustenance very well, so it has created and perfected the Tyranids and given them the primary role of gathering biomass for it. If/when we finally meet the Hive Mind, it's gonna be leagues beyond any of the Chaos gods or the Emperor in size and power. And, considering how well hidden it would have to be to have remained safe from Chaos and other races, it would have to exist where no other threats dare to go. Also, we know the Hive Mind is proficient at mutating/evolving lesser beings. What if it gifted Kairos with the 2nd head because it showed potential? And released it back to Tzeentch as a warning to continue to stay away from the deep warp?
What if the deep warp is just another chaos god? Like it's a god that formed out of apathy so it just does nothing. A god that just does nothing but slowly accumulate power.
Entropy. What they find down there is the break down of everything into nothing, everything, pure potential, pure oblivion. That is the nature of pure chaos. All possibilities and no possibilities, so Entropy.
Is it just me, or does it seem like this title was written like you were trying extra hard avoid phasing it so someone can make a your mom joke from it? 😂
I think the deep warp must be filled by different forces and entities that doesn’t play nicely with the big 4 Also i believe the ghoulstars n the deep warp are connected somehow
I was thinking… what if the Deep Warp is where Gork and Mork live? Because since they’re confirmed, these two giant Orks would be probably the size of continents. They’re tens of millions of years older than the Chaos Gods too, even the strongest Chaos god Khorne doesn’t mess with them. And we don’t know where they are in the Warp, unlike the Chaos Gods, it’s obvious that they control their own planets and these planets they control are obvious. They would probably fight each other over entire multiple sectors of the Warp.
What if the Deep Warp is the Warp manifestation of the Tyranid’s dominance across the universe? We know the Tyranid’s “Shadow in the Warp” causes all kinds of crazy phenomena in the Warp. Now imagine galaxies upon galaxies of Tyranids surrounding a single chaotic galaxy.
My theory is that chaos gods are just self sustaining turbulences. A good necron Blackstone in the face 'straightens' it out. Probably calculates how the vector field of emotions have to cancel each other to stop entity formation.
Maybe the deep warp is a tunnel-gate like that connect the 40k to Age of sigmar universe, and as such they are not linked because this layer of the warp block everything, even reality itself
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hwey you do know the ancient gods are explained in Dark future novels dont you, the gods the chaos gods fear?
@@cyberash3000dark future novels? I’ll have to take a look
An interesting theory why the Chaos Gods don’t enter more deeper in the Warp is that it is a place where all sense of individuality is lost or consumed, and even the powerful Chaos Gods fear entering it for they will be destroyed or changed completely. The Deep Warp may also be the birth place of gods, and that means that there is something in there that gives birth to those gods, which could be more powerful than the Ruinous Powers.
Interesting, I like it
The cosmic warp, to be precise.
The collective thought form
I like this idea that the deeper in the warp you go the less individual you are. Like you're being turned into warp soup.
They're just big fish in a smaller pond.
Tzeentch: “Well, what did you see?”
Kairos: “Such things…horrible things.”
Head one: “cunning brutality…”
Head two: “…brutal cunning!”
I think u mean cunningly brutal and brutally cunning
@ Ork: “Lemme talk so’s even yoo humies kin get it. •clears throat• Kairos said ‘things,’ hence in the succeeding elaboration by each head, it would be deemed appropriate to use the noun form of the adjectives ‘cunningly brutal’ and ‘brutally cunning.’ Now, if one is not so versed in the usage of ‘cunning,’ one might forget that it can be used as both an adjective or a noun, hence the use of the modifier ‘brutal’ instead of ‘brutally.’ •clears throat• So’s yeah.”
Lmao get rekt
@@DahLekKnightork just started talking like a british gentleman just to prove a humor wrong
@@DahLekKnightfound the Ork known as talker. Also you forgot to end your sentence with beats me
The fun thing to realize is that Kairos never actually lies as such..he's just inaccurate for *this* timeline.
Imagine the deep warp tearing at the fabric of the universe to where things like Space Marines, Demons, Ships, Races and whole worlds are merely the toys, and backdrop for endless beings using them for an endless series of games in which they are mere playthings used for these beings personal and frivolous amusement...
You went from Mr. To Dr. In one paragraph.
And once you get out of it, what is on the other side is a tabletop
@homeofthegooddeal I'll take a PhD in fun...
oh you mean like us? We use it as a fun game. running little funny battles with toy soldiers. we can rewrite lore, we can do all things that the entities within the universe can not. Are you sure we are not the entities of the deep warp?
@loreraptor5093 you see what I was getting at...
Whats on the other side? THe mirror mirror universe. Where everything is perfect and beautiful. Where in that 40th millenium, there is only love.
It's bringing us love, quick break it's legs!
Nice
Peacehammer 40000 🥰🥰
@@fordmodelT1957 peacemallet 40k
Maybe that’s why the Chaos gods don’t dare go near it. It’s literally their opposite.
Explains why the chaos gods stay local to our galaxy... they need to stay close to the emotions that give them power.
Indeed. Though it is more than that, gravity has an impact on the warp. Warp space is different around stars and blackholes than it is in the deep void. It's a part of how astro-navigators can steer ships towards celestial objects in real space while in the warp.
@moreplease998 interesting... do you think every galaxy has its own set of warp gods?? Depending on whatever emotion the xenos give off?
@CptFoolKillah Nid lore is the only place for that kind of info.
I've only read a little but one of the things I read had the hive mind noting that this galaxy is especially volatile in the warp
I actually believe due to existential laws that might differentiate a bit in each universe, it can be possible that warp gods have effects on those universes too, but they are not so much in tune with them meaning they have miniscule to no influence in them at all, or that this warp is meant exactly specifically for 40k universe, and Well of Eternity gives access to "other" warp dimensions which are connected to other universes, a nexus point.
@TheLostPrimarch Terrifying... the Well of Eternity could possibly connect to other, much older universes that have even older and more powerful warp entities.
Magnus himself confirmed there are some areas of the Warp even he won't try to access. That says everything.
So basically you're telling me that Kairos was thrown into the deep warp and came back as a bastardized form of the Imperial Aquila?
Maybe Kairos is Imperial Aquila?
@@TheLostPrimarch And the Emperor is Tzeench, makes sense
I thought the reason would be obvious. Humanity was born to inherit the stars after all :P.
What if, at the bottom of the deep warp, is a window that shows that the great game is being played by humans, on a board, pushing representations of people around on a table, and the fate of them all is being decided by a hand full of dice in a sweaty shut ins hand...over, and over, and over again.
That would truly be the grimmest dark
The domain of the fifth chaos god James workshop
@@fordmodelT1957 this is the greatest comment. Lol.
In an amazing way, This is a concept in the Super Hero DC comics. Supermans villain Lex Luthor finds the wall of all knowledge and travels through it, and finds out his universe isn't real. It's something DeadPool figures out too.
@ what I love about comic book writing is how the medium is just ripe for all kinds of meta storytelling
I know what's down there, WiFi that isn't dogshit. It is such an incomprehensible concept that the mind of anyone who goes down there is torn apart.
If the Warp is the collective psyche of all things with souls, the Deep Warp is probably like the collective unconsciousness where things buried even deeper than our emotions are. Think of it like the materium being you awake, the Warp being your dreams, but the Deep Warp being parts of you you don't even consciously realize, that you only unconsciously interpret in your dreams. Basically the Warp's Warp. Daemons and the Warp gods are capable of thought and reason, but I imagine there are even greater entities that actually are just mindless and that can't be reasoned with, because they aren't made by solid influences like excess, decay, scheming, or violence. An example of this concept would be Abnormalities from Project Moon's Lobotomy Corporation universe, where monsters born from humanity's unconsciousness can be brought forth to reality, but have set behaviors the player has to learn and work around.
So kind of like the 40k psychic equivalent of the Jungianshadowless on a universal scale?
I'm still surprised none at Black Library thought to write of some Imperial planet that used Warp entities for energy production. Imperium already has Vortex Grenades, aka weaponized warp, thus it comes to reason they had tech to harness warp for electricity, at least in Dark Age of Technology.
Pm jumpscare
Sounds like GOLB from Adventure Time.
Project Moon mentioned we're so back
Legend has it if you go deep enough into the Warp, you'll encounter a race of ratlike people worshiping a horned king... follow their sickening green rock lanterns, and you'll emerge in an older world....
Guilliman: Did my father kill the Dark Gods?
Yvraine: No. He put them in the hole.
Easy to discover what is hidden within the Deep Warp: send Titus. He is the hot character now that has the power of Plot Armor, along with the fact of being an Ultrasmurf (you know, the invincible characters of the setting). Just don't let Leandros know about it.
Titus would destroy it for simply being Warp and refuse to tell us what it was only saying it was "Foul Trickery of the Warp. Nothing More" and move on
1. The deep warp is the collective awareness/thoughts of the subconscious/instinctual mind.
2. The deep warp houses or literally is THE one true choas god. All others are just aspects of.
3. The deep warp is a place where self cannot exist. Imagine intelligence without self awareness. How alien that would be?
A "chinese room" it learns to speak but there is no one behind the voice.
I like this, nice one
So it's the warp's Jungian shadow?
"The deep warp is a place where self cannot exist. Imagine intelligence without self awareness. How alien that would be?" So, the aliens from Blindsight book?
So... The deep warp could be where the hive mind resides?
I think of the Deep Warp similar to how Stranger Things defines the Upside Down. A place where a powerful enough will, 11 etc (Chaos Gods etc) can alter the very nature of existence, but there is still something within it that is very nefarious, the Mindflayeresque- (The True Chaos God), and is only allowing these other wills to have influence for whatever reason it deems. But ultimately, everything is serving towards its intention, whatever it is, as it is really unknowable what it is, and what it intends.
The chaos gods dont know whats in there, but I do: The hidden stash of Old One brewskis. Well worth the hazard
Old Juice :D
You just explained what happened to Russ when he vanished
@@TheLostPrimarch…speak more of my home…hopefully…you won’t go mad…or may be you should…😈…
Also…why would they come back from what you mortals call…the deep warp…
Old One prune juice
Nah gork and morks busted in and drank that eons ago! 😂
Clearly the deep warp contains the recipe for krabby patties.
In the old lore it is hinted there but one Chaos God, the great abomination, the unspeakable beast and all the other gods are just its various facets. Those that delved too deeply into this lore were carried off by daemons. Perhaps it resides in the deeps, waiting, watching.
Knowing 40k lore this should be it
Funny, the tzeentch big birdie ended up looking like Imperium Aquila lmao. Would be funny if Kairos meeting Big E in there and ended up aged after listening to his rambling.
Down there in Deep Wars is...
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GAME WORKSHOP!
Truly the greatest terror of all. Extreme prices, greed, all of mankind's evil on display.
It's Azothoth and he's asleep.
Whatever you do, DO NOT WAKE HIM UP!
@@TheLostPrimarch But, but, but! What if poking him gives you supra powers!?
@@silver1340 Help, a cylinder is stuck in Azothoth. What do i do?
Keep playing those pipes!
@@orokushi5953 What kind of cylinder?! If it's the type I'm thinking of, don't pull the trigger!
I want to make something clear about Fate Weaver, his trip through the well aged him. IT AGED A DEMON
Old wrinkly parrot
I think what it did to him, is send him to the end of Time itself, meaning, he somehow survives until the end of everything, and thus is why he alone has returned from the Well, because only he that has entered it, lives to that point to begin with. It would explain why his present mind is absent, but his knowledge of all history and all future are active. He lived all history, he lived all futures, but he himself was at the end of it all and the beginning, in order to make it so he can see all past events, and all future events. His present is never /there/.
So when warp was a calm space, was deep warp also different? If it’s not turbulent even with all of current civilizations, what was it back then? And was it a safe place or not.
I can speculate, but in reality there is no eay of knowing
@@TheLostPrimarch There is a way to know. You just have to go there. If you survive long enough, you'll know what it used to be like.
...oh, sure, you won't make it back to tell anyone, and you might only know for a fraction of a second if you're lucky, but there's a chance of knowing! xD
Even if the ocean is still.
The pressure is crushing
Tzeneetch: "There's massive burning hole that even I don't know... and all I have is this Lord of Change."
Kairos: "Lord Tzeneetch what are you doing?!"
Tzeneetch: "Come here you little fuckin' chicken!"
--Astartesanonymous
The old ones left the main setting, probably to another galaxy, different dimensions, or most likely so far deep in the warp they set themselves up a separate kingdom untouched by the influence of gods or mortals the eldar traverse the webway undeterred mapped out
My two ideas:
A) it is an axis of increasing metaphysical-ness. Like the feelings of the feelings of mortals.
B) 40k is limited to the milky way and to the timeframe shown therein. So it is a connection to other galaxys warps. If you swim long enough you'll reach the tyranids hive mind. Or the pantheon of sesamy street. No one knows the strange feelings of beings of other galaxies.
I think that there you can find the Lovecraftian Void with all the baddest stuff worse than demons, Chaos gods and various monsters of the classic chaos realm: Other demons, other gods and other monster, but with more tentacles and more eyes.
Nicely done, I remember some old lore about dead god corpses or shells there of being tucked away in the deepest part of the warp of the warp. Maybe that's where they sent the 5 chaos god that the writers snuffed out.
But somehow rumor of it re-emerging into the imaterium under another name.
Fateweaver has become the Aquila.
I'm a vetran of the war for Uranus. Im first wherever I go.
Fair enough :D
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Uranus is so large that it can hold 76 earths
78 if it relaxes
Continuing that "Warp is an Ocean" analogy.
What if the "chaos gods" are actually human Pareidolia of the wave forms of the warp.
Much is said how the warp defies logic. What if that's because there is no logic, no sapient entities. Instead there is unfathomable infinities. We think we see four gods, the same way we think we see gods in constellations in the starry night.
My guess is the Warp is supposed to be fueled by the living. All the energy comes from life. The uppermost layers are a psychic mirror of the species making the imprint. We personify the entities and act as if they have will but they are more like AI chatbots. Expose them to the Internet and they say racist crap. The Warp gods reflect our own worst emotions back on us. There are supposed to be positive versions as well like korne being honor and virtue as well as blood and killing. Just like life is good but growth unchecked is cancer. Hi papa nurgle.
This has been explored in lore with some chaos librarians saying the demons are just loud warp echoes and not alive and it pisses them the hell off.
So in a way you could think of the Warp gods as universal forces that can screw with you. Like imagine if gravity or entropy could mess with your head or seem to talk to you. It's not technically alive but is doing a very good approximation. And gravity really wants you to fly close to a singularity. For the kicks. And even if you know it doesn't actually want anything it's whispering in your ear and you feel tingles up and down.
They are just self sustaining turbulences. A good necron Blackstone in the face 'straightens' it out.
So how the hell did kairos make the trip? and since he did i wonder why the changer didnt go himself afterwards.. interesting stuff.
In fact, Tzeentch suspects that it's not Kairos, but some unknown entity that pretending to be him, and came to the Realms of Chaos to spy and study. Therefore, Tzeentch constantly drags him into dangerous, deadly situations, hoping that he can force this entity to "open" itself.
Tzeentch threw Kairos in there cos he was scared to go in himself. When Kairos came back all messed up Tzeentch noped any thoughts about going in himself.
Though, given that god aligned daemons are actually all little extensions of the chaos gods themselves, Tzeentch throwing Kairos in there was more akin to Tzeentch dipping his toe in the water and finding it mutated into something weird when he lifted the toe back out.
@@ТарасМакаренко-ф3ш what’s your source for this? very interested, thanks.
I would love to get the source too, sounds very interesting
I've heard this before
Except for that John French, the writer of that story said:
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"Daemons are not living creatures. Each one of them is a facet of a Dark God’s power and nature. They are semi-independent, but ultimately they are only fragments of a greater whole. The mortal servants of Chaos are also slaves to the Dark Gods, their minds and bodies are twisted by the Warp, but they can still make decisions, hope, dream, and despair. They can plot and betray. That mortal independence, ultimately, is what makes the Gods crave their souls.
So where does that leave Kairos Fateweaver? Tzeentch wanted to look into the Well of Eternity but would not risk to go himself, so sent one of his Daemons, which is actually part of him… and now Kairos Fateweaver knows more of the future than Tzeentch himself, while existing as part of him. How does that work?
The answer is that it doesn’t. It makes no sense - because that would mean that Tzeentch both knows all of the future and past and does not. It means that part of him is, in one way, more powerful than the rest of him.
And that’s fine.
It’s fine because the story of Kairos Fateweaver, and the Well of Eternity, is just that; it is a story told about something mortal minds cannot understand, and can only describe through metaphor. The Well of Eternity is just a name. There is no hole in the middle of a fortress that does not exist that goes down for ever. Tzeentch does not literally listen to his Daemons. All these things are just skins that are pulled over a part of the vast, intangible malevolence of the Warp. The truth really cannot be known.
How cool is that?"
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So there isn't a literal deep warp or even a literal well. It's all metaphor, written in a manner which we can't truly understand as with most things of the warp.
Beyond the Deep Warp (4th Wall) lies the real world.
Kairos just saw that he is just a plastic toy for grow-up men to play with and went completely insane.
Shriveled wings and two heads is just someone KitBashing him way too hard while he was in our world.
Playing as Kairos Fateweaver in Warhammer 3: Total war, I initially thought he was weak, but then realized he can spam 'Blue Fire of Tzeentch' every few seconds and annihilate monsters and characters from afar while flying. His teleportation 'Ambush' is also crazy powerful, and ensures the upper hand in nearly any battle. Love playing him.
The Deep Warp is perhaps what is referred to as the Time Vortex.
Beyond the Well of Eternity is Our Real World, in the deepest depths of the warp you will find the fans of 40k and it's writers
In this context the warp reminds me of playing Subnautica, the deeper you go the crazier and hotter it gets until you reach that lake of lava at the bottom of the ocean
Every sock that's lost in the dryer is teleported to the deep warp...lost for all eternity
Send Lt. Kage, he would come back too.
Sudden thought: Kairos Fateweaver looks/acts somewhat like....the Imperial Aquila.....
Define: "acts" as Imperial Aquila?
@@silver1340 , 2 heads, looks to the future and the past. Minus the eyes open to the future, closed to the past.
How do you even enter such a place unscathed? Be crazy enough to align every possible version of yourself and object your traveling with across every dimension and reality and enter the deep warp in synchronization. This would also include thoughts. That would be the issue and barrier to travel into such a place. Not even the chaos gods could do that because it would require some way to send a message to all realities in the deep and hope it doesn’t come out garbled and corrupted or create new creatures from just the message. Kairos or however you spell his name would have unknowingly been in sync with his other versions of himself but not all of them when entering and when returning you see the result and the fact he was able to return at all was due to the level of synchronization across realities. The creatures that emerge unscathed from deep warp will have existed across all possible realities and versions of physics and would basically absorb the universe that they enter like an eraser and the universe disappearing into their essence.
The deep warp is where the terrifying force known as “GW” resides 🤣👌
Tzeetch: "Damnit, they just don't survive when i throw them in there." *looks at Kairos* "sorry bro, get in there"
Perhaps Deep Warp is actually The toilet in GW headquater,where artists form their craziest ideas during lavatory nap,that's why Kairos was scared,cuz it was so nurgle(poops) and tzeetch(ideas) at the same moment,he failed to comprehend.
Deep warp is where the warps HR is located alongside the watchers legal office and courtroom 😂
What's actually in there is the Kahn and Dorn doing righteous donuts for the Emperor.
Yes!
Ive wanted more info on this since Id heard of tzeetch's experiments from kairos, thanks!
No problem, glad you liked it!
im trying to read all 40K books about warp craziness
Ol tricknology himself needs a deep warp telescope to peer into that sexy abyss
Emperor is the Warp entity that ancient Eldar tried to make a Pokemon out of back in thr days of War in Heaven, but this primordial embodiment of destruction/cleansing/creation through *fire* was not something Edlar psychology could handle and they banished it back into Warp and myth.
Human shamans succeeded and avatar of senseless creation-destruction was born, utter extreme of humanity in all ways. "Beautiful eagle from hell who brings an end to all things", to paraphrase the Eldar mythos. The *Angel Exterminatus*.
Emperor/Dark King doesn't bear the insignia of a two-headed eagle for nothing. Nor is he a puppet of the Four Principal Powers of Chaos.
Kairos is a puppet, an impostor, a double agent of the Dark King in Tzeentch's palace.
Emperor had 25 sons. 24 if you believe Omegon is but a shade of Alpharius and not a truly is independent actor. Four of these gene-sons were sacrificed on Molech to the Gods and Emperor tricked them, likely taking more than was bargained for. And what he bargained for were Lesser Gods of the Warp, concepts, enslaved to his will and shoved into bodies of his gene-sons.
This vampire is funny. DA DEEEP VAAAARPPP!
Could the well of eternity also be a nexus where all possible demensions, creation, destruction etc converge into a singular point?
Very possible
The ebodiment of cosmic trolling. I like that!
i think if Vashtorr becomes a full 5th god, he might have the advanced technology to create a "daemon-submarine" that can survive the "crushing depth of the abyssal zone"
Sadly that seems utterly improbable unless a writer decides to smoke crack (as usual), simply because from how it seems, ''the deep warp seethes, its a living thing, it takes the power of a tortured sun to puncture through the shalowest depths, string a dozen battleship reactors and you still get nothing more.'' ''Some men boast about being able to travel in the warp, but they are merely skidding across eternity's face'', those descriptions alone tell you basically you need a C'tan worth of energy to even TRY to go the deep warp and those unfortunate that do enter it through other means.. Well. We've never heard of them anymore, its more like the deep warp is either the bottom abyss of the warp or literally a place of the subconcious mind, alien to sentient beings, where individuality dies, and only raw thought and insanity mooks around, not even the astronomicon goes past it.
Great video! really appreciate this deep dive into such an unexplored topic.
Glad you enjoyed it!
At the deepest part of the warp is where all the socks, pens lighters and chapsticks that have mysteriously disappeared go to never be found
The deepwarp is where you’ll find sonichu
Noooo
What if the harrowing event entities as well as the dimension hoping aliens from the Halo/Ghoul stars are related to the Deep Warp?
That's my theory. Trying to say "there are other terrifying things from other dimensions than the warp" is cheapening the warp that is supposed to be that truly unknowable and infinite things. And anyways, the warp hosts plenty of minor dimensions, pocket dimensions, etc.
Loved this, always enjoy mysterious topics
Glad you enjoyed!
In the Horus Heresy book, The Path of Heaven, when the stormseer is trying to find a clear route to Terra they talk about the winding paths deep in the warp. That whole section blew my mind when I read it. Maybe the (webway) pathways exist in the deep warp. The Old Ones were the ones that created them initially which were around before the warp was all churned up.
The question then is, are they still there or are they collapsed?
@TheLostPrimarch I don't think paths made in the deep warp can entirely erased. If that were the case, the emperor would have wiped out his great work in the webway and started over. He would never had to sit on the golden throne in perpetuity. Now it just links directly to the warp instead of the isolated webway. Somewhere out in the deep warp is where I would hide if I wanted to hide from any material or warp based sentient entities. No one would be dumb enough to try to survive in a place where the chaos gods will dare not go.
In the face of the endless, even the Chaos gods are tiny dimensionless speck of dust.
This episode is so deep that I can't see the bottom...or maybe the bottom is just the surface? Anyway, nice job Sir.
I tried to go deep :D
This isn't the episode, it's a past echo of a future episode never made
It is where Sly Marbo sleeps.
Such a Lovecraftian concept. Love it.
I didnt realise master helmsman ravor was hiding this kind of secret lore 😮😮
The delivery is hilarious yet effortless 😅😅😅
The deep warp leads to warhammer fantasy.
THIS IS ALL EXPLAINED IN THE DARK FUTURE NOVELS in the the deep warp the "ancient ones" reside, they are the old gods gods to the chaos gods and they fear them.
I will check it out. Thanks!
@@TheLostPrimarch it also briefly mentions the big E as a random scientist working for gen tec who is working on a genetic seed
not well explained mind lol
Simply put, its us. Its the 4th wall between us and 40k universe. We are the creators.
My headcanon is that every human soul goes to the deep warp after death (if chaos gods gets one soul it is only the copy as explained in Aaron Dembski-Bowden's book) and are reincarnated in our world
I think this is where the Tyranid Hive Mind exists. Other videos have already covered its incalculable intellect and psychic power, but also having that ability "a shadow in the warp", this deep warp seems like a good home. Well, with the exception that the Hive Mind exists so deep in the deep warp that it can't gain sustenance very well, so it has created and perfected the Tyranids and given them the primary role of gathering biomass for it. If/when we finally meet the Hive Mind, it's gonna be leagues beyond any of the Chaos gods or the Emperor in size and power. And, considering how well hidden it would have to be to have remained safe from Chaos and other races, it would have to exist where no other threats dare to go. Also, we know the Hive Mind is proficient at mutating/evolving lesser beings. What if it gifted Kairos with the 2nd head because it showed potential? And released it back to Tzeentch as a warning to continue to stay away from the deep warp?
It’s no big secret. The deep warp is the immaterium version of Chicago.
Nurgles just some old man living on a farm in the warp
Thanks nerd master
What if the deep warp is just another chaos god? Like it's a god that formed out of apathy so it just does nothing. A god that just does nothing but slowly accumulate power.
Entropy. What they find down there is the break down of everything into nothing, everything, pure potential, pure oblivion. That is the nature of pure chaos. All possibilities and no possibilities, so Entropy.
I believe that too
Is it just me, or does it seem like this title was written like you were trying extra hard avoid phasing it so someone can make a your mom joke from it? 😂
Maybe, lol
In the deepest reaches of the warp lies the being known only as Ol' Greg
Hey you sound like a Skyrim nord i love it.
Thats a first, and actually almost accurate. Thanks :D
Gotrek moved through universes after entering warp
Waaaaaiiiiiit! How'd you know I was a nerd?!
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Is this video coming from
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Inside The House?!
Shhhh
The Well of Eternity is where my dealer keeps his stash
Gork and Mork casually swimming there
Thank you for the nerd-fuel, Nerd. 👍
Am I tripping or does the red letters in the thumbnail jump of the screen like some optical illusion? Could be both, but I would like to know. Thanks.
Depends, what do you smoke? It is just warp magic
I think the deep warp must be filled by different forces and entities that doesn’t play nicely with the big 4
Also i believe the ghoulstars n the deep warp are connected somehow
I was thinking… what if the Deep Warp is where Gork and Mork live? Because since they’re confirmed, these two giant Orks would be probably the size of continents. They’re tens of millions of years older than the Chaos Gods too, even the strongest Chaos god Khorne doesn’t mess with them. And we don’t know where they are in the Warp, unlike the Chaos Gods, it’s obvious that they control their own planets and these planets they control are obvious. They would probably fight each other over entire multiple sectors of the Warp.
My headcanon is that john Warhammer is in the Deep warp
Bro, I think you might actually be on to something here.
What if the Deep Warp is the Warp manifestation of the Tyranid’s dominance across the universe? We know the Tyranid’s “Shadow in the Warp” causes all kinds of crazy phenomena in the Warp. Now imagine galaxies upon galaxies of Tyranids surrounding a single chaotic galaxy.
My theory is that chaos gods are just self sustaining turbulences. A good necron Blackstone in the face 'straightens' it out. Probably calculates how the vector field of emotions have to cancel each other to stop entity formation.
Maybe the deep warp is a tunnel-gate like that connect the 40k to Age of sigmar universe, and as such they are not linked because this layer of the warp block everything, even reality itself
I like to think that one of the lost Primarch's was Sigmar that went into the well and landed in WH Fantasy.
It's where the nameless things Gandalf was talking about live
Should really read advanced black hole theory, it posits that beyond the even horizon there is a zone that connects different alternative universe.
It only requires you to escape the black hole to a separate universe’s light cone.
Beyond the deep warp is a small sign that reads "under construction"
Change the playback speed to 1.5x
You’re welcome
I have a theory, I think that within the deep warp lay one thousand bottles of baby oil.
Diddy....
It’s probably the shadow where Tyranid’s chaos hunting caske reside.