I clicked on this video knowing full well I could not afford either one of the tools. However, I am glad I did because I stayed for the humor. Well done, sir well played 👍
@@TiberiousGib likewise sir. I can’t not think about you regularly… my daughter now greets me with the hand clap 👏, followed by, “what is going on?!” 🤣 I cannot help but laugh. She’s too funny. I hope all is well with you and yours. Thank you for all your content
Thanks Bill, I needed this exact information. Tiberious, great channel and we appreciate it. I am trying to decide between a few high end guns and this content was perfect.
I’ve had the pleasure of shooting both. Both are fantastic, but I can’t think of anything the Staccato beats the Nighthawk on except price. Even at twice the price I would pick up the Nighthawk: low recoil and muzzle rise, metal trigger, metal grip with better ergos and texture, better tolerances and endless upgrade options. It definitely fires like a bigger 9mm. Also, I can ride the thumb safety on the Nighthawk and always actuate the grip safety. If I ride the thumb safety on the Staccato my hand does not always actuate the grip safety. I would most likely have the safety pinned on the Staccato if I chose to carry one.
@Tiberious Gib I'm not, I may be the only one you've spoken to with that opinion. I'm not saying there aren't minor differences ( the IOS being one that's noticeable) there is. Shooting side by side, which I do routinely, there is no real decernable difference. My Atlas Erebus is another story, and so is my WMG from Joe Chambers. I'm not knocking Nighthawk ( hell I dropped my cash for it) I'm only saying it's my opinion that there is not a noticeable difference between the way each shoots. I'm sure we'll agree that either of them will out perform any poly framed striker pistol on earth.
You know adjusting the grip safety takes about 5 minutes, right? The main spring has 3 tangs, one is for sear engagement, one is for the disconnecter and the third is for the grip safety. Adjusting the grip tang is easy enough and so is the sear tang. You can make the grip safety engage at about half depression and you can also take 1.5-2 pounds off of the trigger weight. It's easy and safe. Owning both pistols I can honestly say there is no "shootable" difference between the two. Is the Nighthawk a little smoother with slide engagement? Yes. Is the fitment better than the STI? No. Will the Nighthawk shoot tighter groups than the STI? Nope. Will the nighthawk cost you at minimum 2 grand more? Yup. Belive me, there is not 2 grand difference between the two, I've nothing to prove with an argument, because I own both. The only thing that's actually better is the IOS system on the Nighthawk, it's probably the best on the market. Honestly changing the IOS from irons to dot will require a re-zero. Is it minute of man accurate? Yes, is it 100%? No. I'm not knocking Nighthawk, I sold a Korth to buy one. But with all that said, it's not twice the pistol as the STI, as the price might lead one to expect. I own Atlas, STI/STACCATO, Cabot and Nighthawk, to name a few. But my prize possession is my Joe Chambers Phat WMG. it's the best double stack 1911 made. Joe was a gunsmith beside Virgil Tripp back in the day, along with Dave Dawson. Joe is known as the best from men who demand just a little more. My Phat WMG will actually out shoot my Atlas Erebus, and that's a bold claim. Joe's pistols have been known to go well beyond 50k rounds with zero issues. They are expensive if you can find one, or you can wait a year and a half like I did and have him build it. With all that said I'm sure we can agree that any of those I listed will out shoot any poly framed striker fired or Wilson Combat ( they're not as great as you'd think). The biggest let down among my pistols is the Cabot.
There is definitely a difference in the way the TRS Commander and the C2 shoot. And, don’t get me wrong, I think the C2 is awesome, but the grip for me is a little blocky and a little sharp around the backend. The TRS shoots more like the P to me. With that said, I wouldn’t steer anyone from either one. Try them out and decide what works best for you.
I feel your pain here in So Cal. Both wonderful guns. I have a 10mm Nighthawk Custom (full size) but I’m still obsessing on the Stacatto P….but of course we have issues here(Mag capacity limits etc). Most gun mfrs don’t want to mess with making models available here. Nighthawk are awesome and have good programs to help…. Les Baer (I have a Premier ii)…and a few others but generally it’s frustrating. Enjoyed the review & thanks for posting!!
100% correct. If you’re looking for a higher end gun that you can fuck around with Staccato is the ticket. That said if you want to go down the rabbit hole there are much better versions of similar models! Atlas, Svi(if you can wait 2years) nighthawk(18 months) and others. Honestly had a few staccato’s loved them shot extremely well. Sold them to buy an atlas Athena. The atlas does shoot a little more accurate but the feel and recoil midagatfion with the atlas shooting quickly is unbelievable. Svi infinity your next.
Watched a lot of your vids and have to say thanks, you always give your honest opinions. And I appreciate that! It’s a hard decision to get into high end guns(lot of folks crap on ya for it). As you know once you do there is a difference! Is it necessary? Absolutely not! Is it awesome hell yeah! Anyway thanks and appreciate the time you put in to try to help out people like myself that are chasing the best.
Could you please comment on grip thickness? I’m looking into purchasing a NH TRS Commander. I own a Glock 45 (love the square/block like grip), Sig p229 (feels too bulbous/round), and a Staccato CS (my favorite grip and daily carry). Would love to get your opinion compared to these. Thank you.
@@TiberiousGib thank you for being the only UA-cam channel to respond. I’ve been in talks with a store in Phoenix and just purchased my Commander. So stoked!
i'm over here sweatin' man. you know how many times i've watched your sand hawk review on repeat? and then, the trs commander, and now this? to top it all off the algorithm threw me your staccato XL review? between you, roger barrera and 1911 syndicate... plus a buddy at my local shop lent me his stacatto P with stack-ports for a range session. it's a wrap. after all that man, i bought prodigy DS AND staccato 20rd mags. 10 each. next, a tan RMR, then a matching x300 turbo B. have you ever spent money on a gun you don't even have yet?
I own a nighthawk single stack 9mm, after handling the staccato c2, im really surprised as how rough the build is. I know theyre not in the same league, but its way too over hyped. Obviously both guns shoot accurate and reliable.
no doubt the nighthawk is the more refined gun.....however, due to its longer length it would be closer to the staccato p for comparison. If the nighthawk is 4.25 then the 4.15 heritage P is the closest followed by the 4.45 P
I actually own both of these pistols. What's the biggest difference? The price. My Nighthawk will not do anything my C2 can't. Is the Nighthawk smoother? No Does the Nighthawk shoot tighter groups? No. The Nighthawk just costs more, that simple. The Nighthawk is heavier, but not significantly. My Chambers will out shoot both of the others, and it's meant to be beat on
Is it possible that you are not really aware of the differences in fit and finish. It is not unusual for a everyday person to really understand the differences. Whether it be a luxury car, Fine timepiece,or Custom Knife. There are huge differences yet not everyone are able to discern the differences. KnifeMaker
@michael l Guess you missed the part where I said I own both? Tell us when you have both pistols then chime back in. Of the pistols I own the Nighthawk and the Staccatos are by far the least quality, I'd consider them both EDC quality. Anything else?
Staccatto's have polymer frames?? OK. I always assumed they weould be made of steel being in the price range they are in and that it was H*K that made the most expensive polymer frame pistols....MIM parts?? Worth--i think that depends on the owners intetions...are they buying a pistol for competition? For recreational shooting? OR ar ehtey buying a gun to flex with a tht or to carfry at their next Texas BBQ? :) There's no such thing as a "magic firearm" that's going ot turn a guy with mediocre shooting skills/tactical awareness into a Rob Latham with a snap of the figners or into JOhn Wick uddenly in a real world shootout (your first).....it's about working on our "shooting basiss" that makes the difference in good shots....Rob Latham will out shoot all of us all day with a bone stock $500 Glock....no matter what gun WE have... Not a gret shooter but have HUGE wads of cash buring a hole in your pocket? then.... It's like in that Hollywood western with Russel Crowe and Sharon Stone, Gene Hackman....forget the name of it...they gave Russel Crowe's character the cheapest gun in the gun stgore ...and 1 bullet for each of his gunfight...he still won and out shot all.....there is truth to that idea...nice to see films do sometimes have "pearls of wisdom" and not totally based on fantasy for entertainment sake....
I clicked on this video knowing full well I could not afford either one of the tools. However, I am glad I did because I stayed for the humor. Well done, sir well played 👍
What’s up dood 🙌🙌🙌 hope you are well
@@TiberiousGib likewise sir. I can’t not think about you regularly… my daughter now greets me with the hand clap 👏, followed by, “what is going on?!” 🤣 I cannot help but laugh. She’s too funny. I hope all is well with you and yours. Thank you for all your content
Another excellent video! And you nailed it on the ambi-safety price! Who needs notes?
Thanks gents, I have a few More coming 🙌
@@TiberiousGib Look forward to seeing them!
Thanks Bill, I needed this exact information.
Tiberious, great channel and we appreciate it. I am trying to decide between a few high end guns and this content was perfect.
Glad I could help 🤘
I’ve had the pleasure of shooting both. Both are fantastic, but I can’t think of anything the Staccato beats the Nighthawk on except price. Even at twice the price I would pick up the Nighthawk: low recoil and muzzle rise, metal trigger, metal grip with better ergos and texture, better tolerances and endless upgrade options. It definitely fires like a bigger 9mm.
Also, I can ride the thumb safety on the Nighthawk and always actuate the grip safety. If I ride the thumb safety on the Staccato my hand does not always actuate the grip safety. I would most likely have the safety pinned on the Staccato if I chose to carry one.
I own both, the only real noticeable difference is the price.
Frog King- you seem to be the only one with that opinion.
@Tiberious Gib I'm not, I may be the only one you've spoken to with that opinion.
I'm not saying there aren't minor differences ( the IOS being one that's noticeable) there is.
Shooting side by side, which I do routinely, there is no real decernable difference. My Atlas Erebus is another story, and so is my WMG from Joe Chambers.
I'm not knocking Nighthawk ( hell I dropped my cash for it) I'm only saying it's my opinion that there is not a noticeable difference between the way each shoots.
I'm sure we'll agree that either of them will out perform any poly framed striker pistol on earth.
You know adjusting the grip safety takes about 5 minutes, right?
The main spring has 3 tangs, one is for sear engagement, one is for the disconnecter and the third is for the grip safety.
Adjusting the grip tang is easy enough and so is the sear tang. You can make the grip safety engage at about half depression and you can also take 1.5-2 pounds off of the trigger weight.
It's easy and safe.
Owning both pistols I can honestly say there is no "shootable" difference between the two.
Is the Nighthawk a little smoother with slide engagement? Yes. Is the fitment better than the STI? No. Will the Nighthawk shoot tighter groups than the STI? Nope.
Will the nighthawk cost you at minimum 2 grand more?
Yup.
Belive me, there is not 2 grand difference between the two, I've nothing to prove with an argument, because I own both.
The only thing that's actually better is the IOS system on the Nighthawk, it's probably the best on the market. Honestly changing the IOS from irons to dot will require a re-zero. Is it minute of man accurate? Yes, is it 100%? No.
I'm not knocking Nighthawk, I sold a Korth to buy one. But with all that said, it's not twice the pistol as the STI, as the price might lead one to expect.
I own Atlas, STI/STACCATO, Cabot and Nighthawk, to name a few. But my prize possession is my Joe Chambers Phat WMG. it's the best double stack 1911 made. Joe was a gunsmith beside Virgil Tripp back in the day, along with Dave Dawson.
Joe is known as the best from men who demand just a little more. My Phat WMG will actually out shoot my Atlas Erebus, and that's a bold claim.
Joe's pistols have been known to go well beyond 50k rounds with zero issues. They are expensive if you can find one, or you can wait a year and a half like I did and have him build it.
With all that said I'm sure we can agree that any of those I listed will out shoot any poly framed striker fired or Wilson Combat ( they're not as great as you'd think).
The biggest let down among my pistols is the Cabot.
There is definitely a difference in the way the TRS Commander and the C2 shoot. And, don’t get me wrong, I think the C2 is awesome, but the grip for me is a little blocky and a little sharp around the backend. The TRS shoots more like the P to me. With that said, I wouldn’t steer anyone from either one. Try them out and decide what works best for you.
Good review. A lot for 9mm. Though, the high capacity with a single action is a nice idea.
They are worth the funds if you have them
I feel your pain here in So Cal. Both wonderful guns. I have a 10mm Nighthawk Custom (full size) but I’m still obsessing on the Stacatto P….but of course we have issues here(Mag capacity limits etc). Most gun mfrs don’t want to mess with making models available here. Nighthawk are awesome and have good programs to help…. Les Baer (I have a Premier ii)…and a few others but generally it’s frustrating. Enjoyed the review & thanks for posting!!
Thanks for watching and commenting
Nighthawk TRS Commander or Atlas NYX ?
Tough call, I’m
More familiar with the Nighthawk so I lean that way
Say Less
100% correct. If you’re looking for a higher end gun that you can fuck around with Staccato is the ticket. That said if you want to go down the rabbit hole there are much better versions of similar models! Atlas, Svi(if you can wait 2years) nighthawk(18 months) and others. Honestly had a few staccato’s loved them shot extremely well. Sold them to buy an atlas Athena. The atlas does shoot a little more accurate but the feel and recoil midagatfion with the atlas shooting quickly is unbelievable. Svi infinity your next.
Well said
Watched a lot of your vids and have to say thanks, you always give your honest opinions. And I appreciate that! It’s a hard decision to get into high end guns(lot of folks crap on ya for it). As you know once you do there is a difference! Is it necessary? Absolutely not! Is it awesome hell yeah! Anyway thanks and appreciate the time you put in to try to help out people like myself that are chasing the best.
Could you please comment on grip thickness? I’m looking into purchasing a NH TRS Commander. I own a Glock 45 (love the square/block like grip), Sig p229 (feels too bulbous/round), and a Staccato CS (my favorite grip and daily carry). Would love to get your opinion compared to these. Thank you.
Similar block shape, different angle than the Glock, maybe slightly smaller
@@TiberiousGib thank you for being the only UA-cam channel to respond. I’ve been in talks with a store in Phoenix and just purchased my Commander. So stoked!
I was really looking at the Night hawk but after seeing that a paper clip is needed to remove the glide rod. Thanks for sharing.
You bet!
I was thinking the exact same thing. Why the hell would they do that? Crazy
Great review!!!
Thanks 🙏
I’m with u, I just can’t bring myself to beat on a nighthawk! Lol I will beat the hell out of a staccato tho!
Also
You’re my hero
Jesus loves you homie 🙌
i'm over here sweatin' man.
you know how many times i've watched your sand hawk review on repeat?
and then, the trs commander, and now this?
to top it all off the algorithm threw me your staccato XL review?
between you, roger barrera and 1911 syndicate... plus a buddy at my local shop lent me his stacatto P with stack-ports for a range session.
it's a wrap.
after all that man, i bought prodigy DS AND staccato 20rd mags. 10 each. next, a tan RMR, then a matching x300 turbo B.
have you ever spent money on a gun you don't even have yet?
🤣😂🤣 dope
Great video!
Thanks 🙏
The staccato optic plate you have on that gun is factory Dawson precision. Not that c&h trash …
Ah thank you
Love your content brother!
Appreciate you watching!
I own a nighthawk single stack 9mm, after handling the staccato c2, im really surprised as how rough the build is. I know theyre not in the same league, but its way too over hyped. Obviously both guns shoot accurate and reliable.
Well said
no doubt the nighthawk is the more refined gun.....however, due to its longer length it would be closer to the staccato p for comparison. If the nighthawk is 4.25 then the 4.15 heritage P is the closest followed by the 4.45 P
Fair point
@@TiberiousGib let's not forget the steel frame comes with the P
Where are you ordering your 10 rounders from?
Staccato and a local dealer
You could really mess with your buddies. Tell your audience ,on video, your doing a drop test as your climbing a tower but drop a toy gun.
😂😂😂that’s messed up, I love it!
Buy the gun that you can afford. If you like it you'll shoot it more and get better with it
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Can afford or willing to
Spend the money, we cheap!
Feet pics??? Im joining your patreon now!
ANYTHING!
Love you, hate you!
Welcome 😬😘
You forgot the Wilson Combat!!
I should have included it
@@TiberiousGib Still great review 🤘🏼!! Please 🙏🏼do a 1911 Wilson Combat vs Nighthawk Custom😁
I actually own both of these pistols.
What's the biggest difference?
The price. My Nighthawk will not do anything my C2 can't. Is the Nighthawk smoother? No
Does the Nighthawk shoot tighter groups? No.
The Nighthawk just costs more, that simple.
The Nighthawk is heavier, but not significantly.
My Chambers will out shoot both of the others, and it's meant to be beat on
I honestly don't know why people will waste their money on NH, I would rather get the XC or just get a Chambers or Atlas.
Respectfully disagree on the smoother portion of your comment, the Staccato shoots great but the Nighthawk shoots way softer
@@TiberiousGib did you notice a difference in the accuracy department?
Is it possible that you are not really aware of the differences in fit and finish. It is not unusual for a everyday person to really understand the differences. Whether it be a luxury car, Fine timepiece,or Custom Knife. There are huge differences yet not everyone are able to discern the differences.
KnifeMaker
@michael l
Guess you missed the part where I said I own both?
Tell us when you have both pistols then chime back in. Of the pistols I own the Nighthawk and the Staccatos are by far the least quality, I'd consider them both EDC quality.
Anything else?
Staccatto's have polymer frames?? OK. I always assumed they weould be made of steel being in the price range they are in and that it was H*K that made the most expensive polymer frame pistols....MIM parts??
Worth--i think that depends on the owners intetions...are they buying a pistol for competition? For recreational shooting? OR ar ehtey buying a gun to flex with a tht or to carfry at their next Texas BBQ? :)
There's no such thing as a "magic firearm" that's going ot turn a guy with mediocre shooting skills/tactical awareness into a Rob Latham with a snap of the figners or into JOhn Wick uddenly in a real world shootout (your first).....it's about working on our "shooting basiss" that makes the difference in good shots....Rob Latham will out shoot all of us all day with a bone stock $500 Glock....no matter what gun WE have...
Not a gret shooter but have HUGE wads of cash buring a hole in your pocket? then....
It's like in that Hollywood western with Russel Crowe and Sharon Stone, Gene Hackman....forget the name of it...they gave Russel Crowe's character the cheapest gun in the gun stgore ...and 1 bullet for each of his gunfight...he still won and out shot all.....there is truth to that idea...nice to see films do sometimes have "pearls of wisdom" and not totally based on fantasy for entertainment sake....
Holy long comment Batman 🤘
Bro I mean obviously your'e ok, but watching them handle firearms behind you while your'e down range is making me cringe smh..
😢you’re no fun
Very few people I would allow to do that, but you’re right, not a good look
Is there any difference in accuracy between them?
I’m sure the Nighthawk is more accurate but 99.99% of the shooters including me aren’t good enough to see the difference.