Interesting and presented in a way that mere mortals who are not geologists can understand. I live in Oregon, so this is on my bucket list of places to see. Thank you!
Thanks for this. In the 60s North of Nampa my dad would try to plant trees and after going down ~2 feet he'd hit "hardpan" and swear that it harmed his trees. Likely Lake Idaho sedimentary deposits.
Up here in the very northern tip of Idaho there is evidence of ancient lake Kootenay which inundated all of the Kootenay river valley extending into southern British Columbia in the Creston BC area as well as to the south east of Bonners Ferry into Montana. Present day Kootenai (Canadian spelling) Lake exists to the north of there and extends some sixty miles further north. This ancient lake was also quite large and was caused by an ice dam on the west arm of the lake near Nelson BC. There is a very visible shore line formation that lies some 400 ft above valley floor in the Copeland and Porthill areas. I have looked for more info on the ancient lake but there doesn't seem to be much out there. Maybe your organization can do a study up here and generate more info about this large ancient lake as well. Hey, we're part of Idaho too!
I live near this area and love hiking outside Vale and other areas to go rockhounding and prospecting. Did the mountains in Oregon feed this ancient lake or streams from Idaho?
That is also the path that the volcano hotspot as taken as the North American plate moves over it. And of course like many rivers it follows a fault line.
Maybe you should put something in your "About" section of your channel page. It would be nice to know, oh, where the hell the museum is or when it's open, so a viewer could follow the final suggestion in this video.
The interpretation of the geologic "evidence" of past conditions seems to always be in flux as new evidence is discovered. Interesting presentation on "Lake Idaho". I'd like to see a discussion of these options involving people like Nick Zentner, Shawn Willsey and others.
neat video however would have been interesting. To know where the dam was and what it was. Read article that said ground was subsiding as sediment accumulated. Where did the snake flow before the hells canyon was cut? And was faulting or extension responsible for hell canyon? Thankyou
The Western Snake River Plain developed as a basin via extensional faulting, so there wasn't exactly a dam present to impound the water (think of a sink). What turned into Hells Canyon may have been a tributary of the Columbia River that finally, through erosion moving upstream, connected with Lake Idaho. Some local faulting may have contributed to the position of this tributary. Water from Lake Idaho slowly began to drain down this new outlet, and grew larger with additional erosion (but it still likely took millions of years to carve Hells Canyon). Massive floods during the Pleistocene (Lake Missoula and Lake Bonneville) helped put finishing touches on Hells Canyon. It's common in large bodies of water to have subsidence as sediment is deposited; thousands of feet of sediment can thus accumulate over long periods of time even though the water is rarely over several hundred feet deep. During the life of Lake Idaho, the Snake River really didn't exist as we think of it today. What became the Snake River was likely just a tributary that drained into the lake, much like the ancient Malheur River or the ancient Boise River. Once Lake Idaho drained down far enough, these rivers joined together into the present drainage system that we call the Snake River.
Huh, so it dried up prior to the ice age? That's interesting. Most of the ancient giant lakes in the western US appear to have gotten larger as the ice age froze and melted, to release a bunch of that water, but the Snake River Plane and this lake, didn't. If it disappeared around 3(ish) million years ago, would that suggest the Hell's Canyon river carving partially coincided with it? Or did that come shortly after this lake was thought to have dried up?
The last good evidence for the existence of Lake Idaho was about 2 million years ago. This is before the last episode of major glaciation during the Pleistocene. After Lake Idaho disappeared there is some evidence for smaller lakes existing for periods of time, but nothing the size as the large Lake Idaho extent. You are correct about Hells Canyon, there's a direct connection between the two. Streams draining from Lake Idaho finally established a thoroughgoing channel to the Columbia River, and Lake Idaho began draining and carving what we know today as Hells Canyon. As the canyon enlarged, more and more of the lake could drain through it. Unlike several large enclosed basins in Utah and Nevada that hosted large Pleistocene lakes, the lowland we call the Snake River Plain was unable to contain such a large body of water again.
@@idahomuseumofmininggeology744 Thanks for making the video and answering comments. This is a great video all around. I'd love to visit this place whenever I get around to road tripping.
Excellent, well-done video, thanks! Cue the Lake Idaho fish fossils, dating the onset of Hell's Canyon formation, begin showing-up in the Ringold formation of Eastern Washington about 3Mya: ua-cam.com/video/p9BX-ZJhAWQ/v-deo.html
Referring to Lake Missoula"... I may have found a pre- Ice Age forest, while doing Search and Rescue scuba diving, looking for 2 drowned fishermen. If not pre Ice Age, it must be from after "Lake Missoula" drained out! This needs to be documented! Will someone please help me reveal this truth? First, I need a good underwater filming team! Preferably, Commercial Diving Professionals, with access to long dive equipment (saturation). Preferably, to prepare for some basic 30ft deep dives; and, plan the schedule, for this, for later this summer (2021). And, we will need sciences available, for collecting and analyzing "evidence." Be prepared, also, for some soil core research! I know we're - potentially - $$$,$$$,$$$,$$$,$$$s, are buried! And, some incredible science and prehistory! ("Is anybody out there? Just nod, if you can hear me! [Comfortably Numb - Pink Floyd]... Just funning, since it's tough to find the right people, for this... Or, anyone, for that matter, who ain't a thief, in gov. positions (GSPS), who claim this as their "discovery"! The kind of people, who are excited to hear all you have to say about it, during your first - expensive, and long distance - call, to tell of it; but, they don't know you, and, they already knew all about it, and, don't bother us... When you call, a second time, to learn what they had learned, since the first, when I had originally told them! Talk about, a sick feeling! "They, didn't see, what I saw! Damn!).
Don't need sat at 30 ft nor does anyone but large companies have expensive and huge sat systems. The tables already exist if using US Navy dive tables, every dive company uses then as a base then adds a safety factor. I generally don't reply to nonsense comments...and yes...your comment is nonsensical to anyone schooled in diving
@@Brandon.Nichols Every knee will bow and every tuonge will confess Jesus Christ is Lord! Waste youre breath on made up theories and lies! Something from nothing! LO!
@@zaney1956 🤣🤣🤣Gotta luv it when the YEC Troll quotes Goat Herder's Guide to the Universe on the evils of "made-up theories and lies" oblivious to actual verifiable evidence written in the stratigraphy for all but the blind and hopelessly self-deluded to see. Yea, irony is truly dead! 🤣🤣🤣
@@Brandon.Nichols To look at the world from different paradigm than what is fed to us as truth when the evidence just doesn't stack up is not being a troll, it's being analytical! How can the tissues of the horn of a triceratops last for millions of years in a harsh environment like hells creek? Thousands is a hard enough push. How come all the layers of sediment down to the great unconformity are nice flat layers with no signs of erosion in-between, when it supposedly took millions of years to form each one? It points rather to rapid deposition of material on an enormous scale. Different radiometric dating labs produce incredibly different results given the same samples, it's just not reliable. And there are holes to poke in the theory of evolution everywhere it's insanity! Galaxies rotate in a spiral at certain velocities and if the universe had existed as long as is argued for, those spirals would not be observable anymore. They would be all mixed together like a concentric soup, but instead we see clear spiral patterns that must be much younger. It's not supposed to be trolling, its realizing that the unproven "truths" that the authorities feed to us require a whole lot of fudging to really believe. Then after realizing it, it's trying to convince wonderful people like yourself that you've been lied to and been fed more lies to cover up the holes in the original lies! But there's a wall that you put up. Like anything related to an omni-type being is automatically shut down even if it's more proof-laden in every aspect of life on earth because..? because it just doesn't sound scientific? because it requires that we recognize we have someone or something to answer to? Or because our parents or family or the church we used to go do that were supposed to represent this being are really hypocritical and judgmental and honestly still just as flawed as everyone else on the planet? These things might be true but to overlook significant rifts in scientific observations because of _____ is just pure bias, and makes your comment the bigger troll! But I reckon you likely mean the best in terms of truth and science and purity of knowledge, as your paradigm says we creationists are enemies of these things. We are not. Merely a group of people who had epiphanies in innumerous ways that all led to the same conclusions, that the historically intended claims of many ancient people could not only be true, but reasonable.
Great evidence n presentation!
I love exploring the geology of Idaho and with your help it is more informative n exciting!
Interesting and presented in a way that mere mortals who are not geologists can understand. I live in Oregon, so this is on my bucket list of places to see. Thank you!
Thanks for this. In the 60s North of Nampa my dad would try to plant trees and after going down ~2 feet he'd hit "hardpan" and swear that it harmed his trees. Likely Lake Idaho sedimentary deposits.
Up here in the very northern tip of Idaho there is evidence of ancient lake Kootenay which inundated all of the Kootenay river valley extending into southern British Columbia in the Creston BC area as well as to the south east of Bonners Ferry into Montana. Present day Kootenai (Canadian spelling) Lake exists to the north of there and extends some sixty miles further north. This ancient lake was also quite large and was caused by an ice dam on the west arm of the lake near Nelson BC. There is a very visible shore line formation that lies some 400 ft above valley floor in the Copeland and Porthill areas. I have looked for more info on the ancient lake but there doesn't seem to be much out there. Maybe your organization can do a study up here and generate more info about this large ancient lake as well. Hey, we're part of Idaho too!
It's because of Shawn Willsley and his UA-cam channel that I found out about Lake Idaho in the first place.
Great presentation! Enjoyed very much seeing evidence and learning of long passed lake Idaho. I wonder, too, of ice age influence.
Dr. P. has such a pleasant delivery of fascinating history. I kept waiting for something to be said about the Yellowstone Hotspot.
Nick Zenter has a series of lectures including several about the hot spot
Thank you for a most interesting journey through these areas.
Awesome stuff! Thanks for the lecture.😃
Great video, thank you.
I live near this area and love hiking outside Vale and other areas to go rockhounding and prospecting.
Did the mountains in Oregon feed this ancient lake or streams from Idaho?
Hey I've been to table rock! Great hike
That is also the path that the volcano hotspot as taken as the North American plate moves over it. And of course like many rivers it follows a fault line.
Maybe you should put something in your "About" section of your channel page. It would be nice to know, oh, where the hell the museum is or when it's open, so a viewer could follow the final suggestion in this video.
Are there any ancient lake edges or alluvial fan areas near Vale that may be worth investigating for artifacts or fossils?
The interpretation of the geologic "evidence" of past conditions seems to always be in flux as new evidence is discovered. Interesting presentation on "Lake Idaho". I'd like to see a discussion of these options involving people like Nick Zentner, Shawn Willsey and others.
neat video however would have been interesting. To know where the dam was and what it was. Read article that said ground was subsiding as sediment accumulated. Where did the snake flow before the hells canyon was cut? And was faulting or extension responsible for hell canyon? Thankyou
The Western Snake River Plain developed as a basin via extensional faulting, so there wasn't exactly a dam present to impound the water (think of a sink). What turned into Hells Canyon may have been a tributary of the Columbia River that finally, through erosion moving upstream, connected with Lake Idaho. Some local faulting may have contributed to the position of this tributary. Water from Lake Idaho slowly began to drain down this new outlet, and grew larger with additional erosion (but it still likely took millions of years to carve Hells Canyon). Massive floods during the Pleistocene (Lake Missoula and Lake Bonneville) helped put finishing touches on Hells Canyon.
It's common in large bodies of water to have subsidence as sediment is deposited; thousands of feet of sediment can thus accumulate over long periods of time even though the water is rarely over several hundred feet deep. During the life of Lake Idaho, the Snake River really didn't exist as we think of it today. What became the Snake River was likely just a tributary that drained into the lake, much like the ancient Malheur River or the ancient Boise River. Once Lake Idaho drained down far enough, these rivers joined together into the present drainage system that we call the Snake River.
Huh, so it dried up prior to the ice age? That's interesting. Most of the ancient giant lakes in the western US appear to have gotten larger as the ice age froze and melted, to release a bunch of that water, but the Snake River Plane and this lake, didn't.
If it disappeared around 3(ish) million years ago, would that suggest the Hell's Canyon river carving partially coincided with it? Or did that come shortly after this lake was thought to have dried up?
The last good evidence for the existence of Lake Idaho was about 2 million years ago. This is before the last episode of major glaciation during the Pleistocene. After Lake Idaho disappeared there is some evidence for smaller lakes existing for periods of time, but nothing the size as the large Lake Idaho extent. You are correct about Hells Canyon, there's a direct connection between the two. Streams draining from Lake Idaho finally established a thoroughgoing channel to the Columbia River, and Lake Idaho began draining and carving what we know today as Hells Canyon. As the canyon enlarged, more and more of the lake could drain through it. Unlike several large enclosed basins in Utah and Nevada that hosted large Pleistocene lakes, the lowland we call the Snake River Plain was unable to contain such a large body of water again.
@@idahomuseumofmininggeology744 Thanks for making the video and answering comments. This is a great video all around. I'd love to visit this place whenever I get around to road tripping.
Excellent, well-done video, thanks!
Cue the Lake Idaho fish fossils, dating the onset of Hell's Canyon formation, begin showing-up in the Ringold formation of Eastern Washington about 3Mya: ua-cam.com/video/p9BX-ZJhAWQ/v-deo.html
Wasn’t the Bonneville flood responsible for the end of lake Idaho?
Why doesn’t lake Idaho include Emmett? It is 300 feet lower in e elation than Boise.
I Love Idaho. Burry me there.
👍
You're living in your own private Idaho.
Hell's Canyon, though.
Go to the eastern or idaho and see the tsunami wave chevron sand dunes
If lake Idaho existed today, California would pump it dry😁🇺🇸
Referring to Lake Missoula"...
I may have found a pre- Ice Age forest, while doing Search and Rescue scuba diving, looking for 2 drowned fishermen.
If not pre Ice Age, it must be from after "Lake Missoula" drained out!
This needs to be documented!
Will someone please help me reveal this truth?
First, I need a good underwater filming team!
Preferably, Commercial Diving Professionals, with access to long dive equipment (saturation).
Preferably, to prepare for some basic 30ft deep dives; and, plan the schedule, for this, for later this summer (2021).
And, we will need sciences available, for collecting and analyzing "evidence."
Be prepared, also, for some soil core research!
I know we're - potentially - $$$,$$$,$$$,$$$,$$$s, are buried!
And, some incredible science and prehistory!
("Is anybody out there? Just nod, if you can hear me! [Comfortably Numb - Pink Floyd]...
Just funning, since it's tough to find the right people, for this... Or, anyone, for that matter, who ain't a thief, in gov. positions (GSPS), who claim this as their "discovery"!
The kind of people, who are excited to hear all you have to say about it, during your first - expensive, and long distance - call, to tell of it; but, they don't know you, and, they already knew all about it, and, don't bother us... When you call, a second time, to learn what they had learned, since the first, when I had originally told them!
Talk about, a sick feeling!
"They, didn't see, what I saw!
Damn!).
Don't need sat at 30 ft nor does anyone but large companies have expensive and huge sat systems. The tables already exist if using US Navy dive tables, every dive company uses then as a base then adds a safety factor. I generally don't reply to nonsense comments...and yes...your comment is nonsensical to anyone schooled in diving
@@norml.hugh-mannc ft
Panhorst, graben my attention. Sorry to rift, but you can't fault me for that.
Looks like evedence of a world wide flood to me!
🙄🙄🙄 Don't feed the Creationist Trolls...
@@Brandon.Nichols Every knee will bow and every tuonge will confess Jesus Christ is Lord! Waste youre breath on made up theories and lies! Something from nothing! LO!
@@zaney1956 🤣🤣🤣Gotta luv it when the YEC Troll quotes Goat Herder's Guide to the Universe on the evils of "made-up theories and lies" oblivious to actual verifiable evidence written in the stratigraphy for all but the blind and hopelessly self-deluded to see. Yea, irony is truly dead! 🤣🤣🤣
@@Brandon.Nichols Only in youre made up world!
@@Brandon.Nichols To look at the world from different paradigm than what is fed to us as truth when the evidence just doesn't stack up is not being a troll, it's being analytical! How can the tissues of the horn of a triceratops last for millions of years in a harsh environment like hells creek? Thousands is a hard enough push. How come all the layers of sediment down to the great unconformity are nice flat layers with no signs of erosion in-between, when it supposedly took millions of years to form each one? It points rather to rapid deposition of material on an enormous scale. Different radiometric dating labs produce incredibly different results given the same samples, it's just not reliable. And there are holes to poke in the theory of evolution everywhere it's insanity! Galaxies rotate in a spiral at certain velocities and if the universe had existed as long as is argued for, those spirals would not be observable anymore. They would be all mixed together like a concentric soup, but instead we see clear spiral patterns that must be much younger.
It's not supposed to be trolling, its realizing that the unproven "truths" that the authorities feed to us require a whole lot of fudging to really believe. Then after realizing it, it's trying to convince wonderful people like yourself that you've been lied to and been fed more lies to cover up the holes in the original lies! But there's a wall that you put up. Like anything related to an omni-type being is automatically shut down even if it's more proof-laden in every aspect of life on earth because..? because it just doesn't sound scientific? because it requires that we recognize we have someone or something to answer to? Or because our parents or family or the church we used to go do that were supposed to represent this being are really hypocritical and judgmental and honestly still just as flawed as everyone else on the planet? These things might be true but to overlook significant rifts in scientific observations because of _____ is just pure bias, and makes your comment the bigger troll! But I reckon you likely mean the best in terms of truth and science and purity of knowledge, as your paradigm says we creationists are enemies of these things. We are not. Merely a group of people who had epiphanies in innumerous ways that all led to the same conclusions, that the historically intended claims of many ancient people could not only be true, but reasonable.