Definitely my fave table out of the 2 games and also prefer the AFM artwork . It’s the one I would have got if they released at the same time for sure!
Glad I moved to have the SSF factory installed. My cats would find the subwoofer hole an open invitation to a dark warm hiding place. I think that could be quite shocking.
@@KelsallsArcade☺️I just meant was it ever an option that AtGames installed it at the factory prior to shipment. It’s my understanding that this is a DIY only option.
I agree. My 4K machine comes tomorrow. When I heard Solenoids were included I assumed it would be equal to the mars attacks 1 up. That sucks that the bumpers dont knock.
@KelsallsArcade The true potential seems to be going the OTG route if you want to leverage the 4K, and not be constrainted on what tables can be played. JMO
Gonna watch this in a bit since its so long. Wont be getting mine for a few weeks even though i was on the wave 1 but i just got my invoice and paid yesterday.
Kelsalls!!! Dude! I'm now going to be able to live vicariously through you! Let me explain... I just got my Addams Family as well and have made some comments here and there that if I had the room, as well as funds, I would own several of these AtGames 4KP machines! I know I'm not going to get real pinball machines, but to have several themed Virtual Pinball machines in a row would make it feel like a right Pinball Parlor. The machines I would love to have are Peanuts and Attack From Mars. And yeah, an argument that some will come up is, "but each machine can play all the same games," but like you, that isn't the point. Having machines that represent a single game is important to some, like me. I CAN'T WAIT to see if you get some of these others! Great video! vgv
Glad to find another “crazy” gamer that thinks like me! I definitely would like AFM… but I’m not sure what the third would be. I like Star Trek… but I’d like to wait and see if they did aliens , or jurrasic park, or back to the future I’d need one of those!
There are exciters in the apron (with the logo on it) that should also be giving you some haptic response. So when you mention you don’t feel any response from the table like on the 1Up, make sure your sound and haptic settings are correct. Of course, you will get better with the Arcade Control Panel, and even better with the SSF kit (which also includes some additional exciters and the subwoofer).
I didn’t know that the arcade panel would make a difference ? Does it have haptics in? Definitely looking to get the SSF kit. I do notice some vibration . I thought that was just bass from the speakers . Didn’t know there was anything else inside . Just know the feel was different to the solenoids firing on the 1up
@@KelsallsArcade Yes, there are two small exciters on either side of the Arcade Control Panel. I can’t remember if the base ALP4K has more than one, I’ll have to look when mine shows up today. And yes, the ALP4K has the solenoids for the flippers, but no other feedback. Not sure how that compares to what is in the 1Up, but it could just be that the thinner wood and smaller overall cabinet on the 1Up leads to a little more pronounced feedback.
@@RobStevens64 the 1up wood is about the same. It’s nothing to do with that, the 1up has physically moving solenoids that fire when the ball hits the bumpers to give a more realistic feel . Overall the experience is still better on the ALP4k but would be better if it had solenoids
@@KelsallsArcade Gotcha, but I don’t think the 1Up has any more solenoids, so that’s really just a software thing. They could fire the solenoids on a bumper hit if they chose to. That said, ATG may not do that specifically to show value for the SSF kit upgrade. 🤷🏻♂️
@KelsallsArcade nobody is going to be pissed because they just won't pay it then discounts will come or it will be retired. Unfortunately when I played one the flipper lag is unbearable.
@@jjsrt8 it was on first play, but don’t notice now without ball trails and pop up scores. Agree $1500 is going to prove many people out of the market. Maybe they should consider releasing zen on Hd and keep that as a budget version 🤷🏻♂️
Ya that wiring is a mess. I would have to rewire it so my PC can fit inside. lol. I have the Legends HD and have been holding off as I was really disappointed with the OTG performance on the HD. I was going to make it a dedicated VPin out of it but if OTG is really good on here might sell it and get the 4K. So far it's looking pretty good.
Got mine. It plays like shit. The ball stutters on the .magic pixel (MP) tables. The nudging on the Adam's family looks like an earth quake. While the nudging on the MP is subtle.
Enjoyed your review. I have some decisions to make as I already own 2 a1up pins and space is limited. I’m also worried that they may not get the sw licenses
SW licenses will be expensive, but they dont have to license art. Just the tables which they could sell for a premium - my guess is that it depends how many tables they sell as they will need to be able to sell enough software to cover the licensing cost.
Holding out for Twilight Zone. Cheaper too and after any bugs are ironed out. Definitely on my want list. Does it have a better local leaderboard? Last one was only what, 5 deep?
😮😮😮 WAIT… WAIT A MINUTE!!!?? WHAT DO YOU MEAN THERE IS NO HIT FEEDBACK WHEN THE BALL HITS THE BUMPERS?? IF IT DOES NOT GIVE YOU ANY FEELING WHEN IT HITS BUMPERS THIS IS A TOTAL 100% ABSOLUTE NO FOR ME!!!!!! That’s the ENTIRE FUN IS TO FEEL IT HITTING THE BUMPERS?! 😡
one thing I perhaps didn't say in the review is that IMO virtual pinball is never going to be as good as the real thing - this is a cheap way to get a "close" experience at home, but if you want to really feel it - get a stern
@@KelsallsArcade - ❤️👍 thank you 🙏🏻 for the reply appreciate it.. I’m just got in shock 😳 when you stated it - Because paying that higher of a price One ☝️ would believe it would knock AS GOOD OR BETTER KNOCKING as a 1UP! No solenoids, when hitting bumpers Is confusing 🫤 ATGAMES knew Arcade1up pins had them - You would think 💭 they diff would have added same solenoids or BETTER ONES?? This is what I liked about my Attack From Mars Arcade1up pinball is you Hear 👂 and Feel it hitting hard each bumper…. 👍
@@petergriffinelectricdrums4164 someone else did say here that it has exciters for when you hit the bumpers. It may well have but it feels more like audio vibration rather than a physically moving solenoid
The flipper lag makes Adams Family unplayable, even with enhancements off, I'm not able to enjoy the experience at all. The other tables perform well. Just my opinion. I hope AtGames and Zen gets this sorted out.
I think real pinball enthusiasts looking for perfection are going to be unhappy with the release. But the average gamer like me isn’t going to notice after a while . Like all products - I always say if you look for fault you’ll find it. I think my brain naturally try’s to look for the good . I’d make a terrible QA engineer 🤣🤣🤣
@@jwylovesknc to be honest, if you want a perfect vpin you need to pay way more than this. Just a good PC to power everything will cost you more than the at games. You can also plugin a PC to this . That said, if you want the perfect pinball experience - only a real stern will do IMO. Personally I don’t have that kind of cash to spare though
What do you mean that it lacks hapatic feedback? Are you sure? I own the legend's pinball 1080 version and it has hapatic feedback but some come not working im on my third set but i get the feedback under my hands...best check that they atrnt hanging off under the top plate as mine where.
It has haptics when you press the flippers. It doesn’t have haptics when the ball hits the bumpers. Hard to explain how good the feedback is on the 1up unless you’ve actually played it . Still, overall the 4K display, 3 screen setup and audio make for a better experience on the at games . I can’t say that for the HD version though. I literally wouldn’t take one of those for free
I doubt it, I’ve regretted prior mods - like putting a switch in my 1up pin. I wish I’d kept stick so I can turn on and be playing without all the faff
its really easy to play with steam. and your really missing out on alot of awesome tables.. Ive not done the visual pin or pinball x yet.. that is this years goal...@@kdub1159
Yes from UK, but this was purchased at my place in Phoenix . Will probably get one in the UK too depending on price when it’s released over there. Keep an eye out on Liberty games . They tend to get stuff sooner in the UK
Just got my Addams family pinball today spent tonight putting it together hit the on switch and nothing. No lights nothing if I look from the back on the inside I could see red lights in the front (inside the machine with the back off) but that is it and when I press the red button on the side I hear, the things move whatever they call the exciters. I left them a ticket tonight but man if I have to return his giant machine, I’m going to be pissed. I took the wires and triple checked everything took the wise apart and back in and still nothing not even the topper lights up. What a headache if I have to pack this thing up and return it I won’t even want another one. I’ll just call it a day packing it back up to ship. It will be a nightmare. Wish me luck.
@@KelsallsArcade yeah he got back to me. They want detailed video that I will send them now but trust me I went over all the connections I could see including the ones you have to do yourself multiple times and I don’t see anything loose. I’m just praying I don’t have to send that big thing back and take it apart.
I am really liking the SSF kit sounds. It sounds great.
Awesome- looking out for a deal on that for sure!
Seriously, your home/arcade is freaking awesome!!!
THanks - want to swap a few things out to be honest. The iircade and mvix aren't getting much play time and want to add time crisis.
Great Review!! I'll probably be getting the "Attack From Mars" version!
Definitely my fave table out of the 2 games and also prefer the AFM artwork . It’s the one I would have got if they released at the same time for sure!
Glad I moved to have the SSF factory installed. My cats would find the subwoofer hole an open invitation to a dark warm hiding place. I think that could be quite shocking.
lol, yeah that would be a perfect door for a cat 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I did very early order the pre installed kit. Kind of wish I had now but didn’t want to wait
Is it still possible to get the SSF installed by AtGames?
@@TheWizard10008 I can order it and install myself, but since I already have the cabinet I doubt they will come out to my house and install 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@KelsallsArcade☺️I just meant was it ever an option that AtGames installed it at the factory prior to shipment. It’s my understanding that this is a DIY only option.
The flipper delay looks pretty noticeable on Addams's Family. I hope they get that fixed soon. Great video though, most thorough I've seen yet.
Thanks 🙏 Glad you liked the vid!
Nice Moonwalker cab, I did the exact same thing with one of my 1Ups :)
I figured nobody would ever release moonwalker, or get licensing so wanted to build my own
Same here@@KelsallsArcade
I agree. My 4K machine comes tomorrow. When I heard Solenoids were included I assumed it would be equal to the mars attacks 1 up. That sucks that the bumpers dont knock.
Even the 1080 version does, are you sure it doesn't? Sounds broken
Adam's Family on the ALP4K is ignorance being bliss since it looks at best, 50% of the PC and VPX versions.
I’ve not play on the PC , but am really enjoying it on here 🤷🏻♂️
@KelsallsArcade The true potential seems to be going the OTG route if you want to leverage the 4K, and not be constrainted on what tables can be played. JMO
Gonna watch this in a bit since its so long. Wont be getting mine for a few weeks even though i was on the wave 1 but i just got my invoice and paid yesterday.
Tried to make it in sections so you can skip to the bits you want , but yeah. I though an hour special would be fun 😭
What an upgrade!
Absolutely! Best Atgames product to date, and id go so far as to say best home arcade product to date from any company
Kelsalls!!! Dude! I'm now going to be able to live vicariously through you! Let me explain...
I just got my Addams Family as well and have made some comments here and there that if I had the room, as well as funds, I would own several of these AtGames 4KP machines! I know I'm not going to get real pinball machines, but to have several themed Virtual Pinball machines in a row would make it feel like a right Pinball Parlor. The machines I would love to have are Peanuts and Attack From Mars.
And yeah, an argument that some will come up is, "but each machine can play all the same games," but like you, that isn't the point. Having machines that represent a single game is important to some, like me. I CAN'T WAIT to see if you get some of these others!
Great video!
vgv
Glad to find another “crazy” gamer that thinks like me! I definitely would like AFM… but I’m not sure what the third would be. I like Star Trek… but I’d like to wait and see if they did aliens , or jurrasic park, or back to the future I’d need one of those!
There are exciters in the apron (with the logo on it) that should also be giving you some haptic response. So when you mention you don’t feel any response from the table like on the 1Up, make sure your sound and haptic settings are correct. Of course, you will get better with the Arcade Control Panel, and even better with the SSF kit (which also includes some additional exciters and the subwoofer).
I didn’t know that the arcade panel would make a difference ? Does it have haptics in?
Definitely looking to get the SSF kit. I do notice some vibration . I thought that was just bass from the speakers . Didn’t know there was anything else inside . Just know the feel was different to the solenoids firing on the 1up
@@KelsallsArcade Yes, there are two small exciters on either side of the Arcade Control Panel. I can’t remember if the base ALP4K has more than one, I’ll have to look when mine shows up today.
And yes, the ALP4K has the solenoids for the flippers, but no other feedback. Not sure how that compares to what is in the 1Up, but it could just be that the thinner wood and smaller overall cabinet on the 1Up leads to a little more pronounced feedback.
@@RobStevens64 the 1up wood is about the same. It’s nothing to do with that, the 1up has physically moving solenoids that fire when the ball hits the bumpers to give a more realistic feel . Overall the experience is still better on the ALP4k but would be better if it had solenoids
@@KelsallsArcade Gotcha, but I don’t think the 1Up has any more solenoids, so that’s really just a software thing. They could fire the solenoids on a bumper hit if they chose to. That said, ATG may not do that specifically to show value for the SSF kit upgrade. 🤷🏻♂️
@@RobStevens64 the 1up has 4. 1 for each flipper and 2 towards the back of the play field
Good video ! Mines coming in 2 days ! I think it looks great. Hopefully they start releasing the other Zen tables soon !
I hope so too! Congrats on getting in early! People are going to be pissed they waited when they have to pay $1500 😬
@KelsallsArcade nobody is going to be pissed because they just won't pay it then discounts will come or it will be retired. Unfortunately when I played one the flipper lag is unbearable.
@@jjsrt8 it was on first play, but don’t notice now without ball trails and pop up scores. Agree $1500 is going to prove many people out of the market. Maybe they should consider releasing zen on Hd and keep that as a budget version 🤷🏻♂️
Nice thorough review. Thanks for your thoughts.
Thanks for watching 🙏
Ya that wiring is a mess. I would have to rewire it so my PC can fit inside. lol. I have the Legends HD and have been holding off as I was really disappointed with the OTG performance on the HD. I was going to make it a dedicated VPin out of it but if OTG is really good on here might sell it and get the 4K. So far it's looking pretty good.
im not going down the OTG route, but have seen many people saying it runs great with this
Good video man!
Thanks pdubs. Not as polished as your vids , but shouldn’t the mark for most hopefully 👊
I agree add the SSF as part of the machine for $1500. Yes, remove the branding on the control panel.
Have already asked arcade graphix for a decal! Will post a vid once it comes 👊
@@KelsallsArcadenice
Got mine. It plays like shit. The ball stutters on the .magic pixel (MP) tables. The nudging on the Adam's family looks like an earth quake. While the nudging on the MP is subtle.
lol. The nudge on Adams family does look like you tried to tip the table over 🤣🤣🤣🤣 I have found it very playable though with the settings changed
Enjoyed your review. I have some decisions to make as I already own 2 a1up pins and space is limited. I’m also worried that they may not get the sw licenses
SW licenses will be expensive, but they dont have to license art. Just the tables which they could sell for a premium - my guess is that it depends how many tables they sell as they will need to be able to sell enough software to cover the licensing cost.
SW is already licensed through zen so im expecting some of their tables will make it
@@chickenfkeryay let’s hope so! 🙏
Put mine together today but don’t see a way to lower the flipper solenoid volume. Only on or off. Am I missing something? They are way too loud.
Will have a look and get back to you
There was an option earlier on another video I saw from Wagner to lower it but after the update it changed it to off and on.
@@headjerk1 I thought I saw that on Wagner’s also. Hopefully they add that option back in.
Great review , thanks!
Thanks for the kind words! 🙏
Holding out for Twilight Zone. Cheaper too and after any bugs are ironed out. Definitely on my want list. Does it have a better local leaderboard? Last one was only what, 5 deep?
I think you can pan left and right on the local board. Not sure how many scores saved off top of my head . Its shows 5 by default
😮😮😮 WAIT… WAIT A MINUTE!!!??
WHAT DO YOU MEAN THERE IS NO HIT FEEDBACK WHEN THE BALL HITS THE BUMPERS??
IF IT DOES NOT GIVE YOU ANY FEELING WHEN IT HITS BUMPERS
THIS IS A TOTAL 100%
ABSOLUTE NO FOR
ME!!!!!!
That’s the ENTIRE FUN IS TO FEEL IT HITTING THE BUMPERS?! 😡
you do get feedback from the audio, which is pretty basey, but its not like the solenoids firing on the 1up
one thing I perhaps didn't say in the review is that IMO virtual pinball is never going to be as good as the real thing - this is a cheap way to get a "close" experience at home, but if you want to really feel it - get a stern
@@KelsallsArcade - ❤️👍 thank you 🙏🏻 for the reply appreciate it.. I’m just got in shock 😳 when you stated it - Because paying that higher of a price One ☝️ would believe it would knock AS GOOD OR BETTER KNOCKING as a 1UP!
No solenoids, when hitting bumpers
Is confusing 🫤 ATGAMES knew Arcade1up pins had them - You would think 💭 they diff would have added same solenoids or BETTER ONES??
This is what I liked about my Attack From Mars Arcade1up pinball is you Hear 👂 and Feel it hitting hard each bumper…. 👍
@@petergriffinelectricdrums4164 someone else did say here that it has exciters for when you hit the bumpers. It may well have but it feels more like audio vibration rather than a physically moving solenoid
The flipper lag makes Adams Family unplayable, even with enhancements off, I'm not able to enjoy the experience at all. The other tables perform well. Just my opinion. I hope AtGames and Zen gets this sorted out.
I think real pinball enthusiasts looking for perfection are going to be unhappy with the release. But the average gamer like me isn’t going to notice after a while . Like all products - I always say if you look for fault you’ll find it. I think my brain naturally try’s to look for the good . I’d make a terrible QA engineer 🤣🤣🤣
Yeah but for what you pay 💰 for this machine… it should work with no problems
@@jwylovesknc things don’t always work with software though. They will fix eventually
@@jwylovesknc to be honest, if you want a perfect vpin you need to pay way more than this. Just a good PC to power everything will cost you more than the at games. You can also plugin a PC to this . That said, if you want the perfect pinball experience - only a real stern will do IMO. Personally I don’t have that kind of cash to spare though
What do you mean that it lacks hapatic feedback? Are you sure? I own the legend's pinball 1080 version and it has hapatic feedback but some come not working im on my third set but i get the feedback under my hands...best check that they atrnt hanging off under the top plate as mine where.
It has haptics when you press the flippers. It doesn’t have haptics when the ball hits the bumpers. Hard to explain how good the feedback is on the 1up unless you’ve actually played it . Still, overall the 4K display, 3 screen setup and audio make for a better experience on the at games . I can’t say that for the HD version though. I literally wouldn’t take one of those for free
Thanks for the great review I’m curious will you ever try the OTG?
I doubt it, I’ve regretted prior mods - like putting a switch in my 1up pin. I wish I’d kept stick so I can turn on and be playing without all the faff
@@KelsallsArcade I heard it plug and play
@@kdub1159 yeah but still sound La like a faff. I haven’t owned windows based product in 10 years 🤣
its really easy to play with steam. and your really missing out on alot of awesome tables.. Ive not done the visual pin or pinball x yet.. that is this years goal...@@kdub1159
I'm guessing you are in the UK like me, where did you order from?
Yes from UK, but this was purchased at my place in Phoenix . Will probably get one in the UK too depending on price when it’s released over there. Keep an eye out on Liberty games . They tend to get stuff sooner in the UK
Just got my Addams family pinball today spent tonight putting it together hit the on switch and nothing. No lights nothing if I look from the back on the inside I could see red lights in the front (inside the machine with the back off) but that is it and when I press the red button on the side I hear, the things move whatever they call the exciters. I left them a ticket tonight but man if I have to return his giant machine, I’m going to be pissed. I took the wires and triple checked everything took the wise apart and back in and still nothing not even the topper lights up. What a headache if I have to pack this thing up and return it I won’t even want another one. I’ll just call it a day packing it back up to ship. It will be a nightmare. Wish me luck.
Good luck, that sucks , but definitely sounds like it maybe a loose connection so hope you can troubleshoot with atgame support and find the issue!
@@KelsallsArcade yeah he got back to me. They want detailed video that I will send them now but trust me I went over all the connections I could see including the ones you have to do yourself multiple times and I don’t see anything loose. I’m just praying I don’t have to send that big thing back and take it apart.
The solenoids seem rather loud
For the flippers yes!
Do you notice any lag?
Yes - see vid for description . It can be fixed in settings
Are you part of the Atgames Influencer group ?
No I am not - independent review here
Hey Kelsalls....
Hey how's it going?
@KelsallsArcade Good, I am looking forward to seeing your review on the new 4K Pinball cab...
@@gothamcityarcade hopefully get a couple of people live on the chat so I’m not talking to myself 🤣
I wanted to post the link in the 4K group but it’s restricted to official atgames influencers only which I’m not
I'm here
Does it save local high scores and show them on high score board as well?
Just online leaderboard I think. Kind of how some of the online 1up systems work
@@KelsallsArcade ur kidding me!! That's horrible
@@KelsallsArcade There has to be a local save scoreboard on each game somewhere in each games menu??
@@daviddeming1916 will have a look but haven’t noticed yet if there is
@@daviddeming1916 will double check for ya!