What Republicans Lost When They Won on Roe
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- Опубліковано 19 чер 2024
- For decades, the mainstream Republican position on abortion rights was clear: Overturn Roe v. Wade and send the issue back to the states.
But since June 2022, when the Supreme Court’s conservative majority did exactly that, Republicans have faced a question that few seemed to consider beforehand: What comes next?
In Arizona, that question is especially important. In that battleground state, Democratic groups have already mobilized to put a citizen initiative on the November ballot that would enshrine abortion rights in the state’s Constitution and help increase President Biden’s chances at re-election.
So this week, after spending time with organizers who support the ballot (www.nytimes.com/2024/06/13/po...) measure on the last episode, we are meeting its opponents and exploring the anti-abortion movement in Arizona, which finds itself fractured along new fault lines.
On today’s episode:
Matt Gress (www.nytimes.com/2024/04/25/us...) , a Republican state representative in Arizona
Jeff Durbin (www.nytimes.com/2022/07/01/us...) , pastor of Apologia Church, in the greater Phoenix area
Elizabeth Dias (www.nytimes.com/by/elizabeth-...) , national religion correspondent for The New York Times
Heather is such a liar. Very deceptive in everything she says. Even the approach about the pregnancy center is misleading because they are not there for that. Just tell the truth and have a healthy debate
"Everything an expecting mother needs is available." How about 5-10 years of lost/reduced wages? (To be fair she is just reciting a script that some zealot wrote for their canvassers.)
@@DesertNavy Blood money in other words. Disgusting
They have to lie because their ideas are barbaric.
@@BenQ.-ys4kpno, fair RECOMPENCE
Those centers do genuinely provide all of those services. They seek to help women who are struggling with their pregnancy. Nothing about that is deception
They lost my vote forever.
They will never get mine
Why?
This ultimately benefits most left wingers who want unrestricted abortion up until the day of birth.
If it wasn't for this ruling you would probably have to live with a compromise of only 1st trimester abortions
@@reubenhandel210”unrestricted abortion up until birth”. Please learn about why the government shouldn’t be involved in private medical decisions and why/when women actually receive abortion care later in pregnancy before you make more ridiculous comments such as this. People here understand this issue.
@ericarn derp
5:19 these people are so disingenuous.
When someone says "we need to win hearts and minds", that tells you that they will never win hearts and minds.
Why "never"?
If they were winning hearts and minds abortions would be legal and no one would be getting them
@@jeremy____5747 It won’t work for them. Women have only recently been given full personhood status under the law, this flies against their usually religious based beliefs on the place of women in society. Since women have gained their independence in this society (at least for now) we will not accept other people making decisions regarding our own bodies and lives. We’re not going to let a minority of zealots equate a whole woman’s life, lived experience and moral worth to a zygote/embryo/early fetus with no brain function to us. That’s basically what it comes down to. These people believe women and our lives are morally equivalent to something we have not gestated to term, something they value over what we want for our own bodies. It’s insulting and misogynistic.
Whatever it takes, we need to do our best to stop the enocide of the unborn.
That whole "up to the moment if birth" thing is SUCH a manipulative lying bastardization of the truth. It's infuriating that they jerk on people's emotions like that. Even more infuriating that people won't do their homework and will just believe the first cute skirt that comes along.
It’s just a straight up LIE. These dishonest and disgusting people who perpetuate this nonsense have no shame. Smart, educated folks must band together and vote these folks into permanent minority
Agreed. I think based on the voter's response to their next argument (which truly warmed my heart), that when he said "nooo..." to them claiming the moment of birth thing, it was more of a "wait, no, that's not correct", rather than an agreement with their premise.
The loss of rights throughout the country has resulted in me being even more understanding for the "right up to the moment of birth" choice. Many in that situation are hoping for a child to love. Unfortunately there are cases where the baby has unexpected complications that could result in death in the mother or the baby or both without proper medical care. The laws associated with barring the right to choose has caused numerous medical emergencies and maternal death.
it's manipulative only because it ignores the younger embryoes and fetuses that are being "homicided" (they don't like the real legal term). it's true that vague health exceptions can allow the "homicide" of literally any baby because of "mental health" or some other nonsense. Just look at the british who grant health exceptions for abortion.
@@greenfrogy44It’s called a cesarean. And if the child has some diagnosis that is not viable with life outside the womb, then it’s called palliative care - same as we would provide for a born person dying, showing them honor and dignity they deserve. There’s a story of sisters who both had terminal diagnoses for their babies. The one chose an abortion at the recommendation of her medical providers, and the other sister chose to carry her baby to term and then utilize palliative care once baby was born. The sister who aborted laments her decision, she said, “My sister has a story, I have a dead baby.” 😩💔 There was closure for the one sister, and just heartache piled onto heartache for the other.
Vicki supporting israel but hating abortion is just odd. Abortion is not only legal in Israel, most of the major Jewish religious institutions support it.
Abortion in Israel is regulated in various ways, and although there is a substensive amount of abortions in Israel. The culture and the law of Israel are not so libertine on abortions, it is preaty unthinkable to make late time abortions for instance. Israeli religios insitiustions are not excluding abortion, but they also stand behind similar restrictions.
@reuvenpolonskiy2544 an abortion is an abortion, a few restrictions dont make them any less of a moral evil to an evangelical. Anything less than a total ban is libertine for the US.
@@reuvenpolonskiy2544And since they have universal healthcare and access to early abortion services, with I guess what you’re describing, little government interference, why would they need to discuss later access except for health reasons? Give me a break.
@@ericarn This is kind of true but the interference is not insignificant, every abortion need to go through a designated committee to approve it.
@Isaaxz123 they only care about Israel insomuch as it's a prerequisite to getting Scandinavian Jesus back. As you know, most of the American radical right wing, pro-tyranny anti-abortion "activists" are virulently antisemitic.
It was the stupidest political decision since Prohibition
Matt Gress sounds intelligent. Problem is intelligence has no place in trump's Republican party.
"Stop with that stupid fucking argument"
That guy at the beginning is my spirit animal! XD
Up until birth is ridiculous. No one who has carried a child that long would decide I ve changed my mind. Only in case of serious medical complications or death to the mother would that be considered.
Doesn't really matter to anyone besides them in reality.
The local rep. in AZ seemed reasonable to a degree. However, men should not be deciding for women what they can and can't do with their bodies.
#StopProject2025
Vote out all GOPlins
A Florida Jewish group protested the abortion restrictions there. They said their tradition had long been that abortion was ok until quickening, or first movements of child detected by mother.
They said they should be able to follow their religious traditions regarding abortion. 6:33
1. There is no Jewish religios tradition to abort. Even if the Jewish tradition permits this under certain conditions and restrictions.
2. According to Jewish tradition abortion can only be premited during the first 40 days of pregnancy.
3. Religios freedom cannot permit murder according to the constitution.
Is that one a bot that can't spell?
@@CarlosArizonaProbably “religios”…lol “permit murder under the Constitution”… yeah, he sounds like a serious bot with a very serious legal mind!! 🙄
Normalize weird religious people minding their own business.
@bcfortenberry they're not really religious. Most of them. They order five KJV study guides from Amazon, highlight "Laid down with men" and pretend like they read the Bible/Seek God.
It's a virtue signal for social and political clout, to advance their agenda and be a shield for their repugnant views.
Next mayoral election anyone living in LA write in undecided
4:32 Nice, polite liberals like that are among the reasons I used to be against abortion.
The martial arts preacher is a lunatic.
NYTs lost all its subscribers.
These people are using religion to advance their cause
So?
@@Jay_the_giantChristianity shouldn't be a virtue signal in a bowel movement with no diversity of thought led by a temple moneychanger
@pamlewis1183 This free speech is banned in the libwoke media atmosphere of UA-cam..
It's a virtue signal. Use Their words. They don't know about, live by or believe in JOODAYOKRISCHEN VALYOOZ.
Most of them are having seks with Jamal in secret hotel meetups while the Husband watches from the corner and records, then posts it to PH and blurs out the faces🤷🏾♂️
Why is that a bad thing?
Did the Repulicans ever consider what women think about involuntary pregnancy, childbirt, and the inability to decide on how they will live their lives?
“Consider”?
This is not meant as a discussion.
It’s a my way or the highway thinking.
maybe ask what babies think about being "homicided" because of "entitled" people
Answer: No. The point is "How do you control a woman without a baby?" The answer they've come up with is "By forcing them to have them."
@@ImGonnaBlameTheMEEDUHSid why do you guys assume trying to stop deliberate "homicide" ("murter") is about scheming to "control" women?
“Righteousness exalts a nation, but sin is a reproach to any people.” (Proverbs 14:34) The issue(s) boil down to: long-term prosperity or short-term gratification; do I want my country to be blessed or do I want to indulge my destructive, self-willed pleasures? 🤔
Your god is as fake as the faith you claim to have in them.
The guy at the beginning was an absolute chad
Notice how UA-cam's "information" banner dehumanizes a preborn human as "a pregnancy".
Notice how you dehumanize women by trying to control their ovaries.
I don't think it helps her cause to lie about the bill.
Anti-abortionists can believe that fetuses are babies if they want to, of course (although, ironically, that's not biblical), and they are certainly free to refuse to have abortions if they don't want them. It's their compulsion to control the behavior of others, who don't believe as they do, that is the problem. They don't seem to recognize that, first and foremost, Christianity is supposed to be voluntary--not forced on people. No one appointed these folks to be the guardians of morality.
Incidentally, the Arizona state rep who was interviewed has it exactly right: Republicans cynically courted votes from evangelicals by professing opposition to Roe v. Wade--never dreaming that it would ever actually be repealed. (The dog caught the car; now what?!)
Now Republicans are hoist on their own petard: inextricably linked with a highly unpopular policy position. And non-evangelicals are not going to let them off the hook.
Ha, and I found myself (surprisingly) agreeing with the anti-abortion "pastor:" the Supreme Court's decision to repeal Roe v. Wade and throw abortion back to the states was, indeed, cowardly. But that's a whole 'nother subject!
But Roe v. Wade was not repealed by the Republicans or the Evanglicals, it was a judicial decision.
If somthing is not part of the constitution the Judges cannot just write it in.
It is biblical to say that fetuses are human beings, and Christian lawmakers have every right to pass laws that prohibit murder.
@@BenQ.-ys4kp, my understanding is that the Jews believe that life doesn't begin until actual birth (when the baby draws its first breath), and the Old Testament merely decrees fines for those who cause miscarriages. There is no mention of abortion int he New Testament.
Lawmakers in the U.S. have no business passing laws based on any religious beliefs, since the government is not supposed to be officially sponsoring any given religion over others. (Murder can be prohibited without any appeal to religious beliefs.)
But the question of whether or not the fetus deserves human rights is just a red herring. It doesn't matter whether the fetus is human or not, since no one has a right to commandeer the internal organs of another human being, for any reason, without their explicit consent. For example, a person can't demand a kidney from someone else just because they may need it. Thus, if a woman doesn't want a fetus in her uterus, then out it goes, whether it's a human being or not.
Telling a NYTimes reporter the media isn't playing cover for Israel is gut busting
Boomercons are too senile to acknowledge when they agree with the center.
There will never be an anti-abortion ‘15 week law’, nor is it the law of the land… maybe just Arizona. Anti-abortion groups have been chipping away at abortion rights since Roe. There’s no ‘reasonable time frames’ or ‘reasonable limits’ for any of them, either those who call themselves ‘pro-life’ or the enormously ridiculous ‘abortion abolitionists’. They’re really the same group, just with different labeling.
These are white, mainly evangelicals who use the language of civil rights yet never actually believe/believed in civil rights for anyone else besides the ‘innocent’ embryos/fetuses. They’ve convinced themselves they’ve turned from segregationists to so-called ‘abolitionists’. This is powerful, disgusting propaganda, horrifically demeaning to women and of course, to those who were enslaved. I’m guessing most of them don’t understand the true abolitionist stance in the US. - how prison labor has been the biggest loophole to slavery, but that’s another matter.
@ericarn everyone has realized and is sick of con servatives LARPing as progressives cuz it's the only way they can push their disgusting agenda through.
Vote out all goplins
Apparently the life of the woman carrying the fetus is irrelevant. Of course if she dies, so does the fetus.
If the fetus has catastrophic birth defects, who bears the cost of its care? If the government forces the pregnancy to be carried to term, it must be willing bear the cost of the baby's care after birth.
All this being said, I resent a people forcing their religious views on the rest of us. You cannot force belief.
0 excuses for homicide in your comment
@@BenQ.-ys4kpAnd yet you have no moral argument that abortion care is ‘murder’…lol
Or ‘homicide’…lol
“Arm the unborn!!” 🙄
@@ericarn I do mean the first word by "homicide" but i'd rather the comment stick around. The moral argument is simple, they're human beings, there's no just reason to take their lives, therefore taking their lives, which is what abortion does, is "homicide"
@@BenQ.-ys4kpits horrifying that you’re fine with women dying due to homicide
@@BenQ.-ys4kp Yes, to most people that is a SIMPLE ‘moral’ argument. Nevermind the fact that a first trimester abortion is 10-14 times less deadly than carrying a pregnancy to term and childbirth for women. Since no woman knows beforehand if a pregnancy will kill her, damage major organs or have extreme complications, why shouldn’t she have the right to protect her own life and wellbeing? Women, the human that’s not only sentient, capable of suffering, may have health or personal reasons for not wanting to gestate a pregnancy to term, whose body you want the state to enforce YOUR simplistic logic of what a ‘human being’ actually means. You are ignoring the fact that without a woman’s body carrying then embryo/early fetus to term, it would not survive outside of her. ‘Homicide’ or ‘murder’ of a human being is generally agreed to be an act against another person’s wishes. Abortion care is a medical/health decision about your OWN BODY.
Or let me put it another way - if you believe that there’s a ‘human being’ at the beginning of pregnancy, then remove that early product of conception at 6-13 weeks of pregnancy (when most elective abortions occur). What’s the problem? Why do you even need women’s bodies if there’s a “human being” already present at the beginning of pregnancy?
I usually wonder when people (mostly men) make this ridiculous statement equating abortion care to ‘murder’. Are you also aware of the many dangerous of pregnancy, have you ever read any books on the topic? Do you understand how and WHICH women suffer and have been prosecuted under abortion bans in the past/other nations or even if you understand how women with wanted pregnancies suffer under bans and why? It’s such a shame men such as yourself make SIMPLE statements like this “abortion murder’. I usually just respond with “abortion healthcare’. It’s obvious you’re just parroting a simplistic and demonizing view of the issue.
I live in AZ, I’ve read the bill, lines 3 and 4 make it clear abortion up till birth. How? It allows for abortion beyond 24 weeks if you have a health issue -- this is completely arbitrary, subjective, and misleading. A health issue is defined by the one carrying the baby
“The one carrying the baby”… As in the sentient human being? The one that actually might not need the government interfering with their medical decisions? Who are you talking about? Who has an abortion up until birth for no reason whatsoever except - ‘nah!!’, when, where, how much does it cost?? The government has no place and is no moral authority to regulate pregnancy outcomes. Maybe read why women have abortions later in pregnancy.
So you don’t think women should have autonomy and freewilll and subjectivity live out their lives?
If a woman is able to have an abortion “just because”, that’s not the kind of person you want raising a kid, so it’s a win-win for society.
NYT just let's them spew out a bunch of lies and misleading statements without challenging ANY of it
Ah yes, Jesus, the known anti-socialist…
Capitalism is from Christianity and Commusociamarxism is thuh Dervil
Vicki makes me sad….
That pastor was both terrifying and principled; seems like someone whose mind you could never change, but who you could actually challenge and talk to.
I guess I agree in that his worldview seems internally consistent and articulate, and he seems conversational enough. Still a scary guy
There's literally no good reason you all disagree with him besides that you want people to have special homicide rights.
@@BenQ.-ys4kp grow up and put the inflammatory language down
I mean reasonable people can disagree on when human life begins; I think everyone pretty much agrees that by viability, the life should have protection, but prior to that there's no simple answer that doesn't invoke religion in what is supposed to be a non-theocratic legal system.
@@genevaughan1456 no, it's unreasonable to say that life isn't really alive.
My small town paper gets more views than NYTs
What a disingenuous equivalency from the confused Confederate pastor. He’s so grandiose he thinks he’s fighting on the right side of a civil war and a holocaust at the same time. He couldn’t even mention women’s lives and freedoms among all that mumbo jumbo about “saving babies”. Real hero…
Lose with integrity! Because honestly, it's Christ who's in charge here. Christ is on the Throne now.
Christ lost to Biden?
I wanted to hear about this issue but it shuts me down to hear huckster preachers espousing their lies.
@DesertNavy it's painful to listen. But you have to listen so you can hear and be prepared for their new narratives. Where they LARP as progressives and talk about their oppression and religious freedoms and their civil rights so you're ready for the bs and ready to pounce on it.
Instead of just being stunned and befuddled that they're doing that because in that moment is when they steamroll you.
Sorry, but what did the Repulicans did about abortion?
All was done by the supreme court.
They rigged the Senate under McConnell to take SCOTUS appointments away from Obama & gave them to Trump instead; then those Republican-appointed justices overturned Roe. It's all the GOP's fault, and voters must hold them to account for their misdeeds!
@@AzureAlliance31 Democrat Harry Reid employed the so-called 'nuclear option,' broke the Senate rules to change the Senate rules, lowered the threshold for confirmation from 60 votes to 51 votes. And it is a direct result of Harry Reid that we now have the most conservative SCOTUS in decades
You are the last person alive who thinls the court is apolitical. Congrats.
@reuvenpolonskiy2544 you just caught em. The Supreme Court today is just an arm of the radical Republican GOPLIN agenda
I don't care, I'm with the Bible in this one: life begins at first breath. Save the pregnant folks!
Not what the Bible says.
@@BenQ.-ys4kp promise you I have more scriptural backing than you
@@kahlilbt no, you do not
@@BenQ.-ys4kp i believe you believe that, Benny
@@kahlilbt People say that because God breathed life into Adam, but that does nothing to prove that you need to breathe to be alive. It was a unique act of creation