@@retrodrive-thru47 It was very unique situation they carved for them selves. and all worked with an Intel or AMD CPU, not just there own Cyrix/VIA CPU. It was truly 4D chess moves they where doing.
@@retrodrive-thru47 I built some thin clients out of that post-Centaur WinChip crap. It was super slow but did run super cool, perfect for a thin client.
Great video! Really enjoyed it MVP4 was made to hold CPUs of 500+MHz if I recall. Would have been interesting to see it with a Cyrix MII. It's a pity Cyrix didn't survive, their ingenuity was incredible.
It definitely is, CPU is from 1996, motherboard from 1999. As other people mention it, the MVP4 supports K6-2s@500Mhz. There already are a Cyrix Mii on the list and a K6-2@500.
Well, it's a modest socket 7, spartan motherboard, small chance of upgrade, no dedicated agp port although the chipset supports it. Can't really recommend it. Did all the benchmarks because of the name of the motherboard. And also the via mvp4 is a little overlooked, not many motherboards exist with this chipset.
Glad you enjoyed it. I plan to do some more socket 7 clips and also revisit at some point this motherboard as I feel I haven't explored its full potential.
I said it was painful to watch but I let it finish as I was curios how bad will it get. This should have been the first sign that this cpu-motherboard configuration was not ready for windows 98 gaming.
Challenge accepted! Do you want a specific model? (I don't have k6-3s, just one at 400mhz). Someone already requested a cyrix Mii. The only thing is that this new clip will wait for about 2 months, as I have other projects right now.
@@retrodrive-thru47 Thanks! It is interesting to see how much faster your K6 2 400 or 500 will be in games and benchmarks. Days ago I just scored a very similar MVP4 motherboard (PCPartner MVP4BS7-947) and it came with a K6 2 500AFX. First ever AMD CPU for me, got more of Intel retro CPUs. Yesterday, I was able to have It boot to bios and will build an AT PC with it. It will take time though to source the other parts for the build, so you see why I am really interested to see your coming video..
Imagine being a victim of the PCChips fake cache scam of the 486 era, only to see this motherboard and panic "oh no, I'm gonna get &$(*ed again, only harder!" Potentially triggering if you're retro enough.
Oh boy...I never knew about the fake cache scam :) it's an interesting one, too bad internet and forums weren't widespread like today so people could learn about the issue. Also, even if it has the MVP4, I don't think anyone thinks too highly of this board with its only 2 slots. Also associating the board with the VIAGRA pill doesn't help it too much.
Ha ha..I have one of those boards from my first PC build. It’s actually quite good with the COAST module that provides the catch. Paired with AMD 5x86 133Mhz it was a great system.
i commend the testing! great work great presentation great video, mediocre hardware that could be great in a pinch if retro hardware prices get bad for dos gaming
Thank you, I'm glad you like it. I really don't see too much value in this motherboard unless people start collecting it for the name. And even so, there are multiple other motherboards I would pick for Dos. To be fully honest with the motherboard I probably should have it tested with a MMX cpu and compare the results. I will do it at some point in the future.
I'm curious games left you the impression I'm running a PS1 emulator? All games are either DOS or Windows. Some games may also be released for Playstation.
Does the integrated sound not worked under dos? I remember that some old VIA sound had SB emulation that could be activated in BIOS and in some motherboards it was not so bad. Maybe the motherboard could benefit from a better CPU (maybe P200MMX or a AMD) but for sure Win98 could makeuse of more RAM. I remember struggling with 48M in Win95, you run Win98 with 64M.
The moment I realized that Win98 was not a good option for playing games I just moved to DOS without removing the sound blaster. But I did check the onboard audio with a Pentium 233MMX and it was a CMI 81xx (can't remember exactly the last 2 numbers) and it was outputting sound. I'm puzzled why this only happened to the Cyrix processor. As for RAM I'm not trying to jump the horse and just keep it real like it was back then. I got my first computer around 2001 and it only had 128Mb and indeed sometimes I was struggling so I figured that if I build an older PC it should also struggle but to my surprise I never felt this one lacked the ram. I also used the same memory module(64Mb) in the Athlon 550Mhz I used in the NFS 1 to Porsche clip and that one didn't struggle either. I plan to revisit this motherboard in a while and I'm going to take into consideration all suggestions. Thank you!
@@retrodrive-thru47 With (very) few programs, Windows is managing well the memory (Win9x also). I remember that after a clean install of Win95 OSR1, having a game or two, was ok, (48M RAM, 100M swap on HDD, 486DX@100 or 5x86@133, SBPro, Trident TGui VLB, all the drivers, Directx). But, after installing IE, active desktop, MS Office, Plus!, the HDD almost did not stopped spinning, the swap file was always accessed. When I upgrade to 64M, the system was suddenly snappy, no HDD activity, no delays. Ofcourse, it was not unusable with 48M but often had loading times that make it feel sluggish. It would be nice to see a comparison between AMD, Intel and Cyrix CPUs in pure dos, were the integer and raw speed weremore important than FPU or extra instructions.
Why does modern ram have the notch basically in the middle, surely they could have put the notch more towards one end so its less likely you'll try and insert it the wrong way. Impossible with the SD ram slots in this mobo by the looks of it. I always mess it up.
I think the new ram modules have e little notch a little to the side but it's not as obvious as it was 20 years ago especially with sdram. The trick is to never push really hard on the first try :))
You mean DDR5? Yeah I should be more mindful but when you trouble shoot a problem its 99% ram so im always pulling it in and out. Its the kind of thing that a good design would eliminate whats the point of the middle notch in the first place?@@retrodrive-thru47
I was around back then, even though I was a kid. I feel that Cyrix, AMD, and all the other Pentium pin compatible CPU's were way way slower than they would have you think. The Pentium was always way better. Of course if you have one already it feels better to tell yourself it's almost as fast, or if you were selling them of course you will say they are close...It's true and not true if that makes sense. There are a lot of situations where the non Pentium Socket 7 and Super Socket 7 cpu's may do better, but at the end of the day the Pentium would get more done and be faster. Just doing things in windows clicking on your start button installing software, normal stuff is what really matters, and that's Pentium's strong suit. I don't really know if the push for super 7 with AGP and all of that was really viable, from having a computer like that my honest opinion is NO and I wish I would have had a Pentium II
Sometimes I got that feeling too. When I got into computers everything Intel was very expensive so it was kind of hard to get close to so I had an AMD that actually was decently good but I always wondered how it would be to have an Intel, probably a secondary reason why I set up this channel. I hope I don't sound off here but I think that many software development companies had Intel cpus and in the early days when software was build more for a specific platform and without a hardware abstraction layer(or something similar) to interact with so that made the other CPU brands a little less effective.
@@retrodrive-thru47 I pretty much agree. Had a cheap motherboard with various ati all in wonder cards that my dad was into....never really was stable. I would have had less crashes in games like jedi knight dark forces 2 on a pentium. the amd k6-2 in it did the job though got stuff done and intel was astronomical for a pentium 2. the k6-2 was probably a little better than the pentium 1 overall, but pentium 2 was where it was at.
K2 500, Voodoo 2, ISA sound card, if integrated doesn't work at dos, and whoala, nice setup for dos and windows 95... and tiny desktop with 15" crt without stand, I see it already :) did you tried integrated sound at dos, and how about parallax scrolling and integrated graphics card?
That's definitely something I can do. Although I was considering a K6 III 400. I think the integrated sound works under dos...maybe. I don't know too much about parallax scrolling.
@@retrodrive-thru47 many side scrolling games had 2 backgrounds moving in different speeds, and many graphics card had problems with it, it looks laggy, find best vga card for dos games and there is link to table of all sorts of vga cards, with dos support, this table is legend now... about sound, just test it ;-)
@@retrodrive-thru47 try to find - Best vga card for dos games - on vogons, there is legendraty table, about sound, just test it, unisound drivers you may try as first ;-)
VIA had it all.
CPU, GPU, north and south brige, NIC IC, Sound IC and more.
Only thing what was missing, is the RAM.
Now that you mention it, I do have a VIA 600Mhz cpu :) maybe I should put it on a list to compare it with a Pentium 3...
@@retrodrive-thru47 It was very unique situation they carved for them selves. and all worked with an Intel or AMD CPU, not just there own Cyrix/VIA CPU.
It was truly 4D chess moves they where doing.
@@sundrak1 Maybe you can add more details or point me to a link? Who knows, maybe a clip can come out of their history.
@@retrodrive-thru47 I built some thin clients out of that post-Centaur WinChip crap. It was super slow but did run super cool, perfect for a thin client.
Totally missed opportunity that you didn't throw any jokes about the motherboard being rock solid in the video.
Well, I've read some jokes before but they were cheesy. People here in the comments are demanding a revisit with better CPUs so I'll do another clip.
Great video!
Really enjoyed it
MVP4 was made to hold CPUs of 500+MHz if I recall. Would have been interesting to see it with a Cyrix MII. It's a pity Cyrix didn't survive, their ingenuity was incredible.
Thank you, it looks that I will have to revisit this motherboard someday. I'll put a MII on the list and an AMD k6-2 500+
@@retrodrive-thru47 Noice, thanks!
VIAGRA? That's a real HARDware. 😆
It really is a hardened socket 7 motherboard.
@@retrodrive-thru47 Guaranteed maximum uptime.
@@NozomuYume industrial endurance, limited extension slots
Sure, you can stick this motherboard in every case!
I'd like to see the board tested with the newer CPUs, seeing how low the CPU score in 3DMark99 is makes me think the GPU is being held back.
It definitely is, CPU is from 1996, motherboard from 1999. As other people mention it, the MVP4 supports K6-2s@500Mhz. There already are a Cyrix Mii on the list and a K6-2@500.
Interesting retro system
Well, it's a modest socket 7, spartan motherboard, small chance of upgrade, no dedicated agp port although the chipset supports it. Can't really recommend it. Did all the benchmarks because of the name of the motherboard. And also the via mvp4 is a little overlooked, not many motherboards exist with this chipset.
Great video and nice vintage Cyrix/IBM CPU.
Glad you enjoyed it. I plan to do some more socket 7 clips and also revisit at some point this motherboard as I feel I haven't explored its full potential.
8:25 the lowest result I ever saw in 3Dmark99 :))
I said it was painful to watch but I let it finish as I was curios how bad will it get. This should have been the first sign that this cpu-motherboard configuration was not ready for windows 98 gaming.
Nice video! I for one would like to see video of this board with the AMD K6 2..
Challenge accepted! Do you want a specific model? (I don't have k6-3s, just one at 400mhz). Someone already requested a cyrix Mii. The only thing is that this new clip will wait for about 2 months, as I have other projects right now.
@@retrodrive-thru47 Thanks! It is interesting to see how much faster your K6 2 400 or 500 will be in games and benchmarks. Days ago I just scored a very similar MVP4 motherboard (PCPartner MVP4BS7-947) and it came with a K6 2 500AFX. First ever AMD CPU for me, got more of Intel retro CPUs. Yesterday, I was able to have It boot to bios and will build an AT PC with it. It will take time though to source the other parts for the build, so you see why I am really interested to see your coming video..
Do more videos about this board, it looks interesting.
Sure, there's at least another one planned with some better cpus as many people requested
Imagine being a victim of the PCChips fake cache scam of the 486 era, only to see this motherboard and panic "oh no, I'm gonna get &$(*ed again, only harder!"
Potentially triggering if you're retro enough.
Oh boy...I never knew about the fake cache scam :) it's an interesting one, too bad internet and forums weren't widespread like today so people could learn about the issue. Also, even if it has the MVP4, I don't think anyone thinks too highly of this board with its only 2 slots. Also associating the board with the VIAGRA pill doesn't help it too much.
Ha ha..I have one of those boards from my first PC build. It’s actually quite good with the COAST module that provides the catch. Paired with AMD 5x86 133Mhz it was a great system.
i commend the testing! great work great presentation great video, mediocre hardware that could be great in a pinch if retro hardware prices get bad for dos gaming
Thank you, I'm glad you like it. I really don't see too much value in this motherboard unless people start collecting it for the name. And even so, there are multiple other motherboards I would pick for Dos. To be fully honest with the motherboard I probably should have it tested with a MMX cpu and compare the results. I will do it at some point in the future.
good video man I just wanted to know which Play Station 1 emulator did you use ?
I'm curious games left you the impression I'm running a PS1 emulator? All games are either DOS or Windows. Some games may also be released for Playstation.
Nice video! Please test this motherbpard with AMD k6-2 processor & Pentium MMX and compare with the Cyrix results.
Thank you. I plan to revisit this motherboard by the end of the year.
Does the integrated sound not worked under dos? I remember that some old VIA sound had SB emulation that could be activated in BIOS and in some motherboards it was not so bad.
Maybe the motherboard could benefit from a better CPU (maybe P200MMX or a AMD) but for sure Win98 could makeuse of more RAM. I remember struggling with 48M in Win95, you run Win98 with 64M.
The moment I realized that Win98 was not a good option for playing games I just moved to DOS without removing the sound blaster. But I did check the onboard audio with a Pentium 233MMX and it was a CMI 81xx (can't remember exactly the last 2 numbers) and it was outputting sound. I'm puzzled why this only happened to the Cyrix processor. As for RAM I'm not trying to jump the horse and just keep it real like it was back then. I got my first computer around 2001 and it only had 128Mb and indeed sometimes I was struggling so I figured that if I build an older PC it should also struggle but to my surprise I never felt this one lacked the ram. I also used the same memory module(64Mb) in the Athlon 550Mhz I used in the NFS 1 to Porsche clip and that one didn't struggle either. I plan to revisit this motherboard in a while and I'm going to take into consideration all suggestions. Thank you!
@@retrodrive-thru47 With (very) few programs, Windows is managing well the memory (Win9x also). I remember that after a clean install of Win95 OSR1, having a game or two, was ok, (48M RAM, 100M swap on HDD, 486DX@100 or 5x86@133, SBPro, Trident TGui VLB, all the drivers, Directx). But, after installing IE, active desktop, MS Office, Plus!, the HDD almost did not stopped spinning, the swap file was always accessed. When I upgrade to 64M, the system was suddenly snappy, no HDD activity, no delays. Ofcourse, it was not unusable with 48M but often had loading times that make it feel sluggish.
It would be nice to see a comparison between AMD, Intel and Cyrix CPUs in pure dos, were the integer and raw speed weremore important than FPU or extra instructions.
Why does modern ram have the notch basically in the middle, surely they could have put the notch more towards one end so its less likely you'll try and insert it the wrong way. Impossible with the SD ram slots in this mobo by the looks of it. I always mess it up.
I think the new ram modules have e little notch a little to the side but it's not as obvious as it was 20 years ago especially with sdram. The trick is to never push really hard on the first try :))
You mean DDR5? Yeah I should be more mindful but when you trouble shoot a problem its 99% ram so im always pulling it in and out. Its the kind of thing that a good design would eliminate whats the point of the middle notch in the first place?@@retrodrive-thru47
@@Dale-TND I think it applies to all DDRs. I'm not fortunate enough to have a DDR5 system yet.
I was around back then, even though I was a kid. I feel that Cyrix, AMD, and all the other Pentium pin compatible CPU's were way way slower than they would have you think. The Pentium was always way better. Of course if you have one already it feels better to tell yourself it's almost as fast, or if you were selling them of course you will say they are close...It's true and not true if that makes sense. There are a lot of situations where the non Pentium Socket 7 and Super Socket 7 cpu's may do better, but at the end of the day the Pentium would get more done and be faster. Just doing things in windows clicking on your start button installing software, normal stuff is what really matters, and that's Pentium's strong suit. I don't really know if the push for super 7 with AGP and all of that was really viable, from having a computer like that my honest opinion is NO and I wish I would have had a Pentium II
Sometimes I got that feeling too. When I got into computers everything Intel was very expensive so it was kind of hard to get close to so I had an AMD that actually was decently good but I always wondered how it would be to have an Intel, probably a secondary reason why I set up this channel. I hope I don't sound off here but I think that many software development companies had Intel cpus and in the early days when software was build more for a specific platform and without a hardware abstraction layer(or something similar) to interact with so that made the other CPU brands a little less effective.
@@retrodrive-thru47 I pretty much agree. Had a cheap motherboard with various ati all in wonder cards that my dad was into....never really was stable. I would have had less crashes in games like jedi knight dark forces 2 on a pentium. the amd k6-2 in it did the job though got stuff done and intel was astronomical for a pentium 2. the k6-2 was probably a little better than the pentium 1 overall, but pentium 2 was where it was at.
K2 500, Voodoo 2, ISA sound card, if integrated doesn't work at dos, and whoala, nice setup for dos and windows 95... and tiny desktop with 15" crt without stand, I see it already :) did you tried integrated sound at dos, and how about parallax scrolling and integrated graphics card?
That's definitely something I can do. Although I was considering a K6 III 400. I think the integrated sound works under dos...maybe. I don't know too much about parallax scrolling.
@@retrodrive-thru47 many side scrolling games had 2 backgrounds moving in different speeds, and many graphics card had problems with it, it looks laggy, find best vga card for dos games and there is link to table of all sorts of vga cards, with dos support, this table is legend now... about sound, just test it ;-)
@@retrodrive-thru47 try to find - Best vga card for dos games - on vogons, there is legendraty table, about sound, just test it, unisound drivers you may try as first ;-)
that intro unlocked a core memory... what DOS game is that from?
answered my own question by simply watching the video.
Day of the tentacle from 1993.
What was that name of the VIA's graphics - Chrome????
Would be interesting to join this motherboard &cpu combo with this gpu
I guess it would. I have to admit that I looked it up, I didn't know about their graphics card :)
But how long does it last with a full load? That's the question...
:)) hard to tell, I'll bet it isn't too much. The board itself was a bit of disappointment.
This is asmr
Asmr is not the intended goal of this clip, it just may be a by-product of the recording.
@@retrodrive-thru47 that's correct. I love it
Was that a thing back then?
The motherboard? No, I don't think it was. The Mvp4 chipset is kind of rare. And also this kind of integration of everything was not too popular.
Please upgrade the cpu at minimum.
Yes, I plan to revisit the motherboard with a faster cpu
CPU 933mhz.2
MB MSI MS-6321-694D Pro
RAM sdram pc 133 512mb.2 128mb.2
HDD 80gb.3
OS WinMe 2000 XP
power 420w
2000/2023
That sounds like a nice system. Unfortunately I don't have something similar to do some tests.