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Sure, I was trying not to jump the horse and have something out of time with the other parts. The Gf4Ti also makes sense to me.

Thank you! I do plan to build more colored PCs like a purple or a golden PC, but these are not a priority right now, maybe in the future.

Thank you, I got the system from a friend like this and I've used it for a while. I even modified it a bit for the upcoming video. I do plan to move it to an even blue-er case, and even get a pair a matching blue voodoo2s but I'm not sure that I will be able to get them soon enough.

Thank you, I got the system from a friend like this and I've used it for a while before deciding to present it. I started modifying it a bit for the upcoming video. I do plan to move it to an even blue-er case, and even get a pair a matching blue voodoo2s but I'm not sure that I will be able to get them soon enough.

I didn't see the light of DFI until I was already a man. But around 2016 when i bought my first 939 dfi they were cheap and available. Back in the day, probably around 2008, I had an Epox with a x2 4200 that served me for about 3 years. (I think 940 is the server variant for am2? Not sure though)

Ok, so it's a hard drive? Or CPU issue? Or just a general game engine issue. Since the stuttering is not always present in all the games.

@@retrodrive-thru47 cache problems. You need a faster drive.

@@carlosnumbertwo Oddly this system is using a raid 0 of 2 velociraptors so I was kind of expecting the transfer speed to be there.

I do have some sk 754 motherboards and cpus including the mobile 4000+. I will create a clip someday. I thought that 940 was AM2.

Just for fun and curiosity. I always wanted to push these computers to the max. It had a ssd too on the IDE to sata bridge which always feels super fast to me.

Wow, that's taking it to extreme :). Personally I also plan a look at a socket 8 but I would prefer a conventional approach. Any reccomandations for the OS? I kind of inclined towards NT4 but many people use win 2000.

@@retrodrive-thru47 The thing to consider with NT based OS is that they are extremely stable because of the Hardware Abstraction Layer or HAL. That is why the minimum CPU jumped from from 40 MHz to 233 MHz from Windows 95 to Windows XP (Vista was egregious at 600 MHz). It takes more CPU to run a HAL, the trade off is less blue screens. An ideal computer that used most of the CPU power you gave it would run Windows 95 with updated drivers and software but we won't get that until that OS becomes Open Source.You might look at 98 SE as I believe many drivers exist for it and it is still HALless. There was even a version of Crysis Maximum edition that said it supported 98 SE but no one ever tested it.

@@user-kv8wz7ml3o OK, I know about HAL but personally I don't find it taking away performance. If you have the patience for another clip on this channel, Best retro OS by comparison, using a p4 2.4ghz I've come to the conclusion that windows xp is faster using that cpu than windows 98 for most of the tests. So from a performance point of view the newer versions of windows are more efficient with the hardware. That video in itself may not very well made since it was the second I've done but to me was on of the hottest topics I could think of and I plan to follow it up with other CPUs and configurations as soon as I figure out why the AMD had the issues.

​@@retrodrive-thru47Don't forget there is plenty of variation in Drivers as well. Oldest drivers for newer hardware often neglect older hardware. I think in specifics of the Graphic Cards. All I know is you can't run Windows XP on a i386.

I see what you mean. It was so subtle it took me 3 weeks to see it :)) Cheers!

That's good to know, the article on anandtech also specified that both should be used on 2 cards and when 3 ore more cards were commected one connector was enough. But I suspect that one connector was faulty as it gave me some issues. Is there anything more to explore in 3/4 cards setup? Less stutters, more performance, anything else? I have 3 cards like the ones in this clip so I can try a tri fire ...at some point in the future.

Wow, that's really something I haven't considered. I can do this because I have a xeon motherboard with pci-x. It also has pci so I can test the difference. Do you think that the card will behave different? After all the card itself is made for 32bit @33mhz so putting it into a faster slot may not yield better results...but it's a fun test to do. The only constraint I had for this project regarding the PCIs was that no other pci device to be connected so they don't share the limited bandwidth of the southbridge.

A lot of the more recent PCI video cards are actually 32-bit @ 66MHz. If the card has two notches, they can be used in both 5v and 3.3v PCI slots. This is usually indicative of supporting PCI-X.

I know the 8500 had support (drivers released) until 2006 and it really shined after they got stable. Stil the p3 1400 is no slouch, I'm currently comparing it to p4 and it easily outran the P4 1700. Don't worry the card will see a proper cpu when really benchmarked, for the purpose of this clip it was there because it was blue.

Thank you, I didn't know about that.

Thank you, I am planning a lot more comparisons between agp and pci ex cards in the future. It's hard to compare the Gt610 with anything else.

Thank you, it took 3 months to complete the clip. 2 months to find the right versions, and just one full day (after many trials ans error) to do the upgrade. What you actually see in the clip took 6 hours of which 2h was the last upgrade to w11 and 1h and a half was the upgrade to w10.

@@retrodrive-thru47 Puff, only those who have recently tried to install these systems know the work and problems that their installation entails today...memory problems, incompatibility with drivers, etc.... my respects 😉

I had the same reaction when someone tested the core2duo under similar circumstances. I always thought that it's the features/services of winxp and afterwards win7 that will hold them back. I never thought that the older Operating Systems had memory leaks or issues. I have repeated this procedure for many other systems since this clip, and as long as you don't use an Nvidia chipset the conclusions from this clip stand at least until a 1.6ghz cpu, 1gb ram and at least a geforce fx 5700.

Yes, you are right. I kind of left a gray area there only saying I tested it with the x300SE. It should be the same for every card in this clip. Like you said, rendering is done on the CPU so the graphics card only counts for the resolutions. Although this is not the average DOS cpu, there may be some people interested in the results. I recently got a p4 3.4Ghz so I'm planning to test another motherboard with a PCIE connector with some other graphics cards.

This one I got as a whole system from a local website in my country. Some of these are still around.

Yes, it should. The 4090 is just a PCIE graphics adapter after all. It will not have any driver though.

@@retrodrive-thru47 there is a 32 bit driver suite.. perhaps someone has downloaded the first driver In the series and manually install them.. perhaps someone has hacked the drivers to work lol.

I love it too. One of the best looking systems I had on this channel.

Thank you, I hope to use it further in the future and compare it to the Asrock 4coredual.

Thanks for coming here. I'm a long fan of the geek and I'm glad that he accepted the offer to do a voodoo2 review.

I had a socket a (2800+) until almost the end of 2006, when I upgraded to a 939 that I kept until 2010.

Thank you, the song should be Beat Mekanik - Drift away.

@@retrodrive-thru47 Alright, Thanks!

Good question. I started like that and soon I was patching win98 for 512mb graphics cards. But in the end it felt like a hack (and also the dual channel didn't bring in too much performance gain) and just having more than 512mb for the software I've tested was kind of pointless so (after reinstalling windows) I preferred to keep it as close to the original as possible.

I also like to keep a balance of software and hardware - having them all inside of a 2 years period so I can recreate the original feeling (and this clip is actually a very bad example of keeping a balance). This clip is more like an example of exotic hardware (around 2003-2004) made to run 6 years old software to see if it's possible and also to investigate if the drivers supported the pcie that appeard after the support ended for 98.

I see! Yes it’s nice to keep it authentic! But I also like the overpowered new hardware 98 builds. It’s like dreaming what could have been if we continued to use glorious dos based 98 windows into the future 😉

@@JohnSmith-iu8cj then patchmem, also s-ata patch, the patch for 512mb+ graphics cards are a must and probably some more I can't even imagine right now, also drivers...but it's windows xp stability under various (driver) changes that wins over 98 in the end. But I guess it a nice dream, and I would also be curious what would have been...

Luat de pe olx de la ronin82. Nu știu dacă as avea curaj sa-l duc pana la 2500 sau dacă as avea cu ce. Eu cam stau în placi de acum 20 de ani, fără sa le fi schimbat condensatorii inca. În clipul următor (am pe comunity un post despre clipul urmator, am un p4 423 la 1400, o sa-l adaug și pe asta în comparatie și o sa mai fie și un tueleron 1400)

Since I'm into the retro stuff, 90%of the time I'm dealing with ATA hard-drives. So it makes more sense for me to see a Sata hard-drive like a Serial ATA .. So far the channel has shown rather modern systems that I thought would appeal the viewers but my parts go way back to 286s and most of them are around the Pentium 2 pentium 3 period.

I'm also not sure that 4.9 would be of any importance but the constant variation between 4.9 and 5 I think was the issue.

Indeed, but I still felt a little love from the developers for glide. Little graphical treats that can only be seen if you are really paying attention. Too bad we didn't get to see more of glide.

@@retrodrive-thru47 There were, though, 3 generations of the Glide API, AFAIK... each represented by their Glide.dll file (glide.dll, glide2x.dll and glide3x.dll). And by the end of 1999, and the launch of DX7; DirectX managed to catch up and surpass the glide API, making it pretty much obsolete. 3dfx Glide, starting as a stripped down version of OpenGL, pretty much did it's job bringing fast & good looking 3D graphics to the (very) low powered PCs of the mid 90's. But by the end of the millennium, computing power was almost 10x what is was @ '95 when Glide was conceived... so you could just use OpenGL, or the newly matured DirectX, which brought pretty much everything that 3dfx Glide did, and more... So IMO, Glide had a sufficiently long run to a) set an example of how things should be b) give us nice looking 3D games until the industry caught up :) By the year 2000, there were no tricks left up it's sleeve... 3dfx Glide was "that cool friend" or cousin, that everyone had, that used to bring you mp3s & games, before you had an internet connection :)

The cpu is bottlenecking the graphics card, yes. I used it because it was the fastest I had so I was trying my best to match the graphics card. I think an A64 is better but a core 2 duo is even better.

​@@retrodrive-thru47 I understand! It really doesn't matter for a Windows 98 gaming PC though as you'll be able to max out every game even with AA and AF forced in the ATI control panel. The X850 XT is the best card for Windows 98 when it comes to performance while still maintaining good game compatibility, I tested a LOT of games and demos and nearly all of them worked out of the box with no patches required. I also tried using a 6800 GT with Windows 98 and I completely regret it. 😅😅

Sure, there's at least another one planned with some better cpus as many people requested

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AGP

Thank you!

I wished. It's PCI-E.

Asrock AliveDual e-sata2

Thanks!

I did compare AGP vs PCI-E a while back on the channel (granted it was 3850 and 7900) but I also did this kind of comparison for myself a few years ago and it usually turns out (if you do it on a motherboard with a good implementation of AGP and PCI-E) that if you have graphics cards with the same frequencies they are equal. The manufacturers usually have slightly higher memory on the PCI-E therefore sometimes these need to be underclocked a bit. But it's a good idea for a future video. Maybe I can do a series with all the couples of PCI-E - AGP cards I have, as I have specifically collected many similar cards like that.

It is. I will use if for more benchmarks in the future.