This is enlightening for non-muslims. Today the idea of a woman obeying her husband when she takes her marriage vows ( in the Christian faith) is an option. If one is under obligation to obey, 'breaking' a rule has consequences and carries risks, one being violent retaliation from an arrogant husband. Cut the idea of obedience out of marriage then there can be equality. I also think that women can deliver cruel words which can be as harmful to a man's self-esteem as any physical punche he might throw in his wife's direction!
@RockStudioLive You're absolutely correct, I am NOT an English scholar. In a clumsy way I was trying to point out how all writing changes with time. And especially Arabic. Early Arabic was written without vowels, and had no dots for letters which, without dots, look the same. The dots (and signs to indicate vowels) found in Arabic writing today are not found in early texts. This presents quite a dilemma to scholars trying to determine true meaning.
How come I can't download this video? Please let me download this video I need to show this to many other people who don't understand my religion. I love this brother, he is a Light in a time of Darkness. Please send me this video if you can though. Salam.
@kathyofrin Mohammed himself said exactly what hamza yusuf is saying. mohammed says in hadith that no muslim could hit his wife ever for any reason. there are many trained islamic scholars who say you cannot. Imam abu suud the grand mufti of sunnis 500 years ago gave the fetwa for sunni muslims from morocco to india that if a judge hears of a husband hurting his wife, the judge MUST stop the husband by all means possible. abu suud is one of the most respected muftis in the history of islam.
Islam is an intellectual religion. If someone explains something "wrong" in the Quran, then why can't you accept it based on the soundness of the argument "Why is this even up for discussion?" If you listened to what he is saying you would realize that he is making that exact point
Sheih ul Islam [Chief Mufti} Mehmet Ebusuud al Imadi gave the fetwa that anyone who says that tasawwuf is not Islam, or sufis are not Muslim are themselves not Muslim.
@MrCalathea people translate for many reasons. the word in arabic in mecca in the time of mohammed [saws] never meant 'beat' it meant talk, walk, march, leave, and it meant make love or have sex. make a loud noise. it meant discuss. it meant to come to agreement by negotiation. the dutch translator just did not know. or did not want to know. most translations of quran are political. not scholarly. and few islamic scholars ever learn european languages.
I agree; but when I think about it, I prefer religious apologists to religious literalists. If people have to believe this stuff I’d rather have someone convince them to believe it in a humane way.
Why was 'fertile' in the criteria? When choosing a lover why should choose her like she were a pair of shoes? What if she is not fertile, what if she does not want to have children?
"Quran is preserved in Arabic for a reason. No translation can be equivalent to the authentic words of the Quran." Ever tried to read Shakespeare in the original ancient English? Impossible to understand without a modern "translation" (explanantion). And Shakespeare was 100s of years after Muhammad. But u are correct in that English translations of Quran contain extra words to make it more "palatable".
if we need to spend at least 20 years on understanding Quran independently and directly, that means we can sometimes have not enough time to understand the wisdom of God. Say if we die at 30-40. I don't think that Allah made it so complicated to understand Quran and live according to God's laws
@MrCalathea not straight from arabic. because like every language all words have ambiguities. nobody can translate straight from one language any language into another
Bilal r/a/ is of the Companions of the Suf who lived in the home of Mohammed saws. 1. Abu Huraira 2. Abu Darr al-Ghifari 3. Wathilah Ibn Asqa 4. Qays ibn Tahfah al-Ghifari 5. Ka’ab ibn Malik al-Ansari 6. Sa’eed ibn Malik ibn Hadhim al-Jumahi 7. Salman al-Farsi8. Asma ibn Harithah ibn Sa’eed al-Aslam Imam al-Ghazzali is sufi
In Islam only judges in a court can judge, and only the judge can give the death penalty or any penalty. The more someone threatens another Muslim, the more one proves one is not. Muslims are forbidden to harm other Muslims "Truly whoever believe, they who follow the Jewish religion, the Christians, the Sabeites, whoever at all who believes in God and the last day, and does good, will have their reward with their Lord, will know no fear, neither shall they be grieved. Surat ul Baqara
Well said, all of it. One must apply a human aspect to the Quran as well as every other religious testament. Maybe the Quran vouches for domestic violence but only after XYZ criteria are met. But as stated this is never how domestic violence occurs. Watch your actions closely. Do they bring tears and negative energy to the world? Or do they encourage happiness and peacefulness. Surely no soul with a heart would wish the former upon those close to them. Discuss, consider, and respect.
THE QURAN 76:27:28:29 PEOPLE 30. But ye will not, except as Allah wills; for Allah is full of Knowledge and Wisdom. 31. He will admit to His Mercy Whom He will; but the wrong-doers,- for them has He prepared a grievous Chastisement
of course it doesn't matter why a man beats his wife. it is haram. abu suud says the judge must use all means to stop it. that fetwa is right here on this forum.
@isafakir The newspapers accused members of the Committee for the Propagation of Virtue and the Prevention of Vice of blocking rescue attempts by male firefighters and paramedics because some of the girls were not wearing the mandatory Islamic dress. “They forced the girls to remain inside the school and didn’t allow them to leave, saying that their hair wasn’t covered...” the Al-Eqtisadiah newspaper said, citing firefighters and police.” from Saudi Arabia, present day!
what think ive notice is that if you learn Islam from its original sources, i.e. Quran and the Hadith of the prophe scw you know that Islam gives more rights to women than any othe religion, the rights women have in Islam is far greater than acutally potrayed. the west always shows how Muslim men opress their women, and if you go to these Muslim countries you will see. not in a huge scae, but women are been opressed by men, simply because these men are refusing women the rights...
Great quote: especially when you include the WHOLE paragraph. God says that if you hurt others hate others cheat steal kill others, don't imagine that you'll escape your bad karma by saying ooops i made a mistake. that's simple obvious logic. If you go around killing people, there is a price to pay. If you break speed laws god doesn't repeal the laws of physics when you hit a tree. life does have consequences even for idiots.
@246trinitrotoluene that only applies to the most concrete technical equivalent. impossible in metaphor simile poetry imagery allusion: she's hot. he's hot. it's hot. those three sentences have 3 completely unrelated meanings and unless you know them for sure you cannot translate them even into modern english without destroying the meaning. it's never the same fucking message. it's never even close.
@malika810 It's not equivalent, but the translations are pretty damn close. If I tell you, "To the store I am going for bread" and , "I'm going to get some bread from the store" you're getting the same fucking message across.
@RockStudioLive of course, why a man hurts his wife doesn't matter, since it is haram. period. haram. forbidden. abu suud says the judge must use all means possible to stop men from hurting their wives. abu suud's fetwa is quoted here on this forum.
@MrCalathea bad people read bad things into good words. in english for example there are words like "get" whose meaning changes each time it is used. get real, get the paper, get high, get around. get off, get it?, and the past tense of get is got but got introduces yet another set of meanings get doesn't have, he's got it, got the time? got to go, got me! so anybody translating got has to know the meaning. DARP almost never means hit, bvut intercourse, conversation, travel, leave. rarely"hit"
@LearnToReadTheKuran We're not in the playground. Thirdly, I'm not a sufi, so don't try and make further insults based on this. I identify as a muslim. I hope that Allah S.W.T guides you so that in the future you don't pour out such hatred and vitriol. Now, instead of pouring out insults, could you please tell me what you feel Hamza Yusuf is saying wrongly in this video?
@ D0W666 said 'All this shit about 'beliefs' and 'interpretations' and 'sects' and 'questioning God?' Hi DOW Interested in your views. What is your take on reality? How did we get here?
if we are all supposed to spend 20 years of our lives to be able to understand Quran, then how is Quran a clear guidance? Is not Quran for all of humanity? Why God would make it so difficult to understand his message? Does is mean we rely only on scholars and whatever scholars tell us we trust them?
People are not dependent upon people for guidance. Guidance comes from Allah SwT. Do you know ayat al kursi? Don't be scared that people will mislead you, be hopeful God will help you. At the end of the day there are multiple levels of understanding but every muslim needs to know the basics what to do to be eligible for Allah's mercy on the Day of Judgment. Make sure you believe the 6 articles of Imaan and fulfill the 5 pillars of Islam and make sure to look to the prophey's example to see how he sallalahi alayhi wa sallam was as a person and how he dealt with peoplenand follow his example sws. That is the core, there are outer layers that are only helpful if it deepens your imaan. If it doesn't benefit you it's not necessary to know your heart needs to be sincere. That's why we ask for beneficial knowledge (Allahuma inni asaluka 'ilman nafi'an wa rizqan tayyiban wa 'amalan mutaqabbalan) and not for more knowledge or all the knowledge. Only that we can handle and that we can use in practice.
@RockStudioLive i misunderstood the code? and the movie. what part of kill do i misunderstand? you have to do better than that. dozens of european countries made honor killings legal. or make honor killing a defense in murder. in a wide range of contexts. honor killing is totally european. unless you can twist it to women not being dead. gay men not being dead. dead is dead. it's called honor killing.
Islam is against SPOUSE abuse. This should be elaborated upon. Saying that Islam encourages wife beating is specious but unfortunately in vogue mostly because Islam is presented to the world poorly. The Messenger (p) has been accused of many things by detractors but never of beating his wives.
@RockStudioLive you leave 90% of the hadith out. the woman in question complained to aysha r.a. aisha complained to mohammed s.a.w.s. who immediately took up her case. SHE complained to him about about her husband's impotency. she complained that HER sex was no good. SHE complained about satisfaction. the husband had children from his former wife. mohammed said the 2 children resembled the father like 2 crows. she didn't complain about being beaten. she said she wasn't getting good sex.
@mehstgful Shakespeare did not write in ancient English, whatever that may be. Shakespeare in Elizabethan English is understandable with a few notes on obsolete words. Please don't try to act like an English scholar.
@RockStudioLive watch the movie Divorce Italian Style [1961]Article 587 Criminal Code Rocco "Whoever causes the death of spouse, daughter or sister in the act when he discovers the unlawful sexual relations and the state of anger went from offense given your honor or his family, shall be punished by imprisonment three to seven years. The same punishment those who, in those circumstances, causes the death of the person who is in unlawful carnal relationship with the spouse, daughter or sister."
@isafakir if someone says "allah sits on a throne" in english, i'm pretty sure people are smart enough to understand it's metaphorical, you don't need to know arabic to get the point. do you seriously believe that nonsense?
@malika810 nobody today can accurately translate Quran into modern Arabic either. Many meanings have been lost and in fact even people in Mecca and Medina were unclear about much of it and some of its meanings then even were hidden. Ya Sin or Elif Lam Min or Allah's "chair" or the "niche" words or phrases for which no language carries meaning. Because Allah doesn't sit down and heaven is not 3 dimensional. Allah says there are no comparisons. If there is a "throne" there is comparison.
I find it sort of amusing that muslim apologists use the exact same tactic as Christian apologists to explain away difficult scripture "In the correct translation" "You have to be a devout believer to understand the passage" "This is commonly mistranslated" "In the original arabic"....it would be funny if it werent so depressing....
arklowrockz It's a valid argument, and if you can't refute such an argument made, then you going to mock the argument is a manifestation of your ignorance.
Yeah but obviously there is a correct definition and incorrect definition of something. Not blind Faith because anyone could learn the etymological roots, instances of use, etc.. so it is much different
@246trinitrotoluene you certainly do enjoy bullying. it's shame. life is more fun when you don't bully people. it means someone is afraid and ashamed of themselves. hope you get better some day. get to feel comfortable with yourself.
@246trinitrotoluene translators cannot translate accurately anything but technical texts only approximately. and when a lot of the meaning is lost in history, it is even less possible. so, no it is not easy to translate anything. and yes some people in english cannot understand metaphors translated from other languages and cultures. if you knew anything about anything other than rude bullying you might know it too.
Aisha -the one ur making a reference to- clearly told us (in Sahih Bukhari & Sahih Muslim), that ما ضرب رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم امرأة "The messenger of God never beat/hit (daraba) a woman, nor a slave, nor a child, nor anyone, ever!" ♦ So unless Aisha didn't consider herself a "woman", she clearly was saying unequivocally that: Mohammed ((peace be on him)) never hit or beat or struck her! She then said, He only "struck" ضرب in the battlefield fighting. The Hadith u mentioned: he "poked"
@rockstudiolive of course it doesn't matter why a man beats his wife. it is haram. abu suud says the judge must use all means to stop it. that fetwa is right here on this forum. isafakir 1 second ago
Yeah I kinda agree (to be honest I don't know a whole heap about Islam) but if the apologist at least appeared a bit conflicted I could take the apologetic argument a bit more seriously (in that regard the literalist is perversely easier to identify with, they are completely unconflicted!!). Also if you look at an apologetics site like CARM.org well.....I would say it is more like Christian UNapologetics!!! :)
This sheikh is noorun ala noor
Unlike the majority of us ignorant people
May Allah Taalah increase you manifold
hamza yusuf is great and has an attractive way to speask may allah bless him for all his effort for islam
Nour Salha Ameen
Subhanallah.. Eye opening.. I just thanks Allah that he made me see this video as an unmarried guy.. My religion is absolutely Beautiful...
Shaikh Hamza Yusuf is my favourite scholar. Alhamdulillah, I have met him in person during RIS (Revive Islamic Spirit) at Putrajaya, Malaysia.
great lecture; n showing everyone the true face of Islam.jazakhallah
Shaykh Hamza Yusuf May Allah SWT Bless you always. Aamiin
I love sheikh Hamza so much, all his opinions are perfect in all matters and deeply rooted in knowledge
MashAllah this sheikh May Allah reward him for sharing this beautiful speech on women.
جزاک الله خیرا احسن الجزا
So profound lecture, violence part of human nature.
You are so right sheikh Hamzah... God help us to implement that in our life
Amazing lecture and lecturer. ..
what wrong with you?
MASHA'ALLAH to the beautiful sunnah dressing of the sheikh
Barakallah
such great an amazing lesson in woman's rights
Ma sha ❤Allah so beautiful my Shaykh Hamza beciz You are from Europe
This is enlightening for non-muslims. Today the idea of a woman obeying her husband when she takes her marriage vows ( in the Christian faith) is an option. If one is under obligation to obey, 'breaking' a rule has consequences and carries risks, one being violent retaliation from an arrogant husband. Cut the idea of obedience out of marriage then there can be equality. I also think that women can deliver cruel words which can be as harmful to a man's self-esteem as any physical punche he might throw in his wife's direction!
its a beautiful lecture MashaAllah.
MashaAllah,
May Allah keep Hamza Yusuf for us
The Prophet Muhammad never struck a woman, nor a child, nor a servant, ever!
لم يضرب رسول الله (صلى الله عليه وسلم) امرآة ولا غلاما ولا ولدا قط
Wife beating is found in all cultures, religions and in all strata of society.
It's not just found in a particular religion.
@RockStudioLive You're absolutely correct, I am NOT an English scholar. In a clumsy way I was trying to point out how all writing changes with time. And especially Arabic. Early Arabic was written without vowels, and had no dots for letters which, without dots, look the same. The dots (and signs to indicate vowels) found in Arabic writing today are not found in early texts. This presents quite a dilemma to scholars trying to determine true meaning.
He is unique. May Allah bless him.
mashallah.. i wish he had a more public stage to preach this on
smart, your title was very catchy.
the lecture is very good, salaam =]
Jazak Allah Khairan
Thank You
AWESOME KHUTBAH :) :)
@mystupidcats i didn't see that verse. can you cite it?
@SLAM234 Very correct, This is a sickness like alcoholism, compulsive gambling etc. I condemn it.
@QGprincess Very sage reply. My compliments.
Hamza Yusuf is soo great -- ma sha Allah :)
Ebu Suud was the Chief Mufti for all of the Middle East Africa and Eastern Europe in the 15th-16th Centuries CE.
How come I can't download this video? Please let me download this video I need to show this to many other people who don't understand my religion. I love this brother, he is a Light in a time of Darkness. Please send me this video if you can though. Salam.
@kathyofrin Mohammed himself said exactly what hamza yusuf is saying. mohammed says in hadith that no muslim could hit his wife ever for any reason. there are many trained islamic scholars who say you cannot. Imam abu suud the grand mufti of sunnis 500 years ago gave the fetwa for sunni muslims from morocco to india that if a judge hears of a husband hurting his wife, the judge MUST stop the husband by all means possible. abu suud is one of the most respected muftis in the history of islam.
thanks you
@LearnToReadTheKuran Yep he is. But I just want to know what exactly he says with regards to wife beating that you find wrong. Thank you.
Islam is an intellectual religion.
If someone explains something "wrong" in the Quran, then why can't you accept it based on the soundness of the argument
"Why is this even up for discussion?"
If you listened to what he is saying you would realize that he is making that exact point
Sheih ul Islam [Chief Mufti} Mehmet Ebusuud al Imadi gave the fetwa that anyone who says that tasawwuf is not Islam, or sufis are not Muslim are themselves not Muslim.
@MrCalathea people translate for many reasons. the word in arabic in mecca in the time of mohammed [saws] never meant 'beat' it meant talk, walk, march, leave, and it meant make love or have sex. make a loud noise. it meant discuss. it meant to come to agreement by negotiation. the dutch translator just did not know. or did not want to know. most translations of quran are political. not scholarly. and few islamic scholars ever learn european languages.
can someone make a list of the rights?
I agree; but when I think about it, I prefer religious apologists to religious literalists. If people have to believe this stuff I’d rather have someone convince them to believe it in a humane way.
In fact the Quran is written with MUSICAL notation. stops partial stops to indicate the musical line.
I get it.... I struggle as well and ponder deeply.
Why was 'fertile' in the criteria? When choosing a lover why should choose her like she were a pair of shoes? What if she is not fertile, what if she does not want to have children?
Earth To Mars In Islam it's marry then love, hence they may not know each other. Also there are religious benefits of children.
Aisha best women of this Dunya ever existed doesn't have ever children and she will be in hightest of highest rank in Paradies
"Quran is preserved in Arabic for a reason. No translation can be equivalent to the authentic words of the Quran." Ever tried to read Shakespeare in the original ancient English? Impossible to understand without a modern "translation" (explanantion). And Shakespeare was 100s of years after Muhammad. But u are correct in that English translations of Quran contain extra words to make it more "palatable".
@QGprincess Thank you so much sister, there is so much wisdom in your writing. You have my respect. :):):)!
if we need to spend at least 20 years on understanding Quran independently and directly, that means we can sometimes have not enough time to understand the wisdom of God. Say if we die at 30-40. I don't think that Allah made it so complicated to understand Quran and live according to God's laws
@princee786 But will muslims respect it if you choose to not be a muslim,but turn to another religion?
HY was playing into western liberalism for a good while during this time, big problem
@MrCalathea not straight from arabic. because like every language all words have ambiguities. nobody can translate straight from one language any language into another
Bilal r/a/ is of the Companions of the Suf who lived in the home of Mohammed saws.
1. Abu Huraira
2. Abu Darr al-Ghifari
3. Wathilah Ibn Asqa
4. Qays ibn Tahfah al-Ghifari
5. Ka’ab ibn Malik al-Ansari
6. Sa’eed ibn Malik ibn Hadhim al-Jumahi
7. Salman al-Farsi8. Asma ibn Harithah ibn Sa’eed al-Aslam
Imam al-Ghazzali is sufi
Awesome Description~
In Islam only judges in a court can judge, and only the judge can give the death penalty or any penalty. The more someone threatens another Muslim, the more one proves one is not. Muslims are forbidden to harm other Muslims "Truly whoever believe, they who follow the Jewish religion, the Christians, the Sabeites, whoever at all who believes in God and the last day, and does good, will have their reward with their Lord, will know no fear, neither shall they be grieved. Surat ul Baqara
Well said, all of it.
One must apply a human aspect to the Quran as well as every other religious testament. Maybe the Quran vouches for domestic violence but only after XYZ criteria are met. But as stated this is never how domestic violence occurs.
Watch your actions closely. Do they bring tears and negative energy to the world? Or do they encourage happiness and peacefulness. Surely no soul with a heart would wish the former upon those close to them. Discuss, consider, and respect.
THE QURAN 76:27:28:29
PEOPLE
30. But ye will not, except as Allah wills; for Allah is full of Knowledge and Wisdom.
31. He will admit to His Mercy Whom He will; but the wrong-doers,- for them has He prepared a grievous Chastisement
is that right? where did u read it?
of course it doesn't matter why a man beats his wife. it is haram. abu suud says the judge must use all means to stop it. that fetwa is right here on this forum.
mash'ALLAH excellent talk :)
What about Bosnia, Indonesia an all??
I guess it is for the irony of it.
@StrengthFromAbove83 knowing why and when there is spouse is a minimum first step in preventing it. not an excuse for it.
@isafakir The newspapers accused members of the Committee for the Propagation of Virtue and the Prevention of Vice of blocking rescue attempts by male firefighters and paramedics because some of the girls were not wearing the mandatory Islamic dress. “They forced the girls to remain inside the school and didn’t allow them to leave, saying that their hair wasn’t covered...” the Al-Eqtisadiah newspaper said, citing firefighters and police.”
from Saudi Arabia, present day!
@MrCalathea Arabic words has multiple meaning
I WOULD YOU PROTEST
what think ive notice is that if you learn Islam from its original sources, i.e. Quran and the Hadith of the prophe scw you know that Islam gives more rights to women than any othe religion, the rights women have in Islam is far greater than acutally potrayed. the west always shows how Muslim men opress their women, and if you go to these Muslim countries you will see. not in a huge scae, but women are been opressed by men, simply because these men are refusing women the rights...
Article 324 of the Napoleonic Penal Code states that murder committed by a husband on his wife is excusable in the case of adultery.
Great quote: especially when you include the WHOLE paragraph. God says that if you hurt others hate others cheat steal kill others, don't imagine that you'll escape your bad karma by saying ooops i made a mistake. that's simple obvious logic. If you go around killing people, there is a price to pay. If you break speed laws god doesn't repeal the laws of physics when you hit a tree. life does have consequences even for idiots.
@246trinitrotoluene that only applies to the most concrete technical equivalent. impossible in metaphor simile poetry imagery allusion: she's hot. he's hot. it's hot. those three sentences have 3 completely unrelated meanings and unless you know them for sure you cannot translate them even into modern english without destroying the meaning. it's never the same fucking message. it's never even close.
NOOOOO... he looks like that hero in the movie Illusionist.
@malika810
It's not equivalent, but the translations are pretty damn close.
If I tell you, "To the store I am going for bread"
and , "I'm going to get some bread from the store"
you're getting the same fucking message across.
@RockStudioLive of course, why a man hurts his wife doesn't matter, since it is haram. period. haram. forbidden. abu suud says the judge must use all means possible to stop men from hurting their wives. abu suud's fetwa is quoted here on this forum.
@DictaduraNo123 "HA HA HA HA" is that the sound bullies make when they can't find anyone else to laugh at them?
The Bible says a man is to love her wife as Jesus loves his church his people and was willing to die for them
@princee786 First of all let me tell you that I am not a male.I am a female,and I am not a muslim.Thank you fopr taking time to reply.
صح لسانك ❤
i quoted abu suud's fetwa right here on this forum. go read it.
What is "love" for women?
@MrCalathea bad people read bad things into good words. in english for example there are words like "get" whose meaning changes each time it is used. get real, get the paper, get high, get around. get off, get it?, and the past tense of get is got but got introduces yet another set of meanings get doesn't have, he's got it, got the time? got to go, got me! so anybody translating got has to know the meaning. DARP almost never means hit, bvut intercourse, conversation, travel, leave. rarely"hit"
@LearnToReadTheKuran We're not in the playground. Thirdly, I'm not a sufi, so don't try and make further insults based on this. I identify as a muslim. I hope that Allah S.W.T guides you so that in the future you don't pour out such hatred and vitriol. Now, instead of pouring out insults, could you please tell me what you feel Hamza Yusuf is saying wrongly in this video?
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D0W666 said 'All this shit about 'beliefs' and 'interpretations' and 'sects' and 'questioning God?'
Hi DOW
Interested in your views.
What is your take on reality?
How did we get here?
I adore this shiek
if we are all supposed to spend 20 years of our lives to be able to understand Quran, then how is Quran a clear guidance? Is not Quran for all of humanity? Why God would make it so difficult to understand his message? Does is mean we rely only on scholars and whatever scholars tell us we trust them?
People are not dependent upon people for guidance. Guidance comes from Allah SwT. Do you know ayat al kursi? Don't be scared that people will mislead you, be hopeful God will help you.
At the end of the day there are multiple levels of understanding but every muslim needs to know the basics what to do to be eligible for Allah's mercy on the Day of Judgment.
Make sure you believe the 6 articles of Imaan and fulfill the 5 pillars of Islam and make sure to look to the prophey's example to see how he sallalahi alayhi wa sallam was as a person and how he dealt with peoplenand follow his example sws.
That is the core, there are outer layers that are only helpful if it deepens your imaan. If it doesn't benefit you it's not necessary to know your heart needs to be sincere. That's why we ask for beneficial knowledge (Allahuma inni asaluka 'ilman nafi'an wa rizqan tayyiban wa 'amalan mutaqabbalan) and not for more knowledge or all the knowledge. Only that we can handle and that we can use in practice.
@RockStudioLive i misunderstood the code? and the movie. what part of kill do i misunderstand? you have to do better than that. dozens of european countries made honor killings legal. or make honor killing a defense in murder. in a wide range of contexts. honor killing is totally european. unless you can twist it to women not being dead. gay men not being dead. dead is dead. it's called honor killing.
wrong english rendition of the Arabic text that is preserved since 1433 years!!!
Islam is against SPOUSE abuse. This should be elaborated upon.
Saying that Islam encourages wife beating is specious but unfortunately in vogue mostly because Islam is presented to the world poorly. The Messenger (p) has been accused of many things by detractors but never of beating his wives.
@RockStudioLive you leave 90% of the hadith out. the woman in question complained to aysha r.a. aisha complained to mohammed s.a.w.s. who immediately took up her case. SHE complained to him about about her husband's impotency. she complained that HER sex was no good. SHE complained about satisfaction. the husband had children from his former wife. mohammed said the 2 children resembled the father like 2 crows. she didn't complain about being beaten. she said she wasn't getting good sex.
@RockStudioLive OH
@princee786 Regardless if a person is fightening against you or if the person is oppressing against you;we never have the right to kill!
@mehstgful Shakespeare did not write in ancient English, whatever that may be. Shakespeare in Elizabethan English is understandable with a few notes on obsolete words. Please don't try to act like an English scholar.
@RockStudioLive watch the movie Divorce Italian Style [1961]Article 587 Criminal Code Rocco "Whoever causes the death of spouse, daughter or sister in the act when he discovers the unlawful sexual relations and the state of anger went from offense given your honor or his family, shall be punished by imprisonment three to seven years. The same punishment those who, in those circumstances, causes the death of the person who is in unlawful carnal relationship with the spouse, daughter or sister."
@isafakir
if someone says "allah sits on a throne" in english, i'm pretty sure people are smart enough to understand it's metaphorical, you don't need to know arabic to get the point.
do you seriously believe that nonsense?
@malika810 nobody today can accurately translate Quran into modern Arabic either. Many meanings have been lost and in fact even people in Mecca and Medina were unclear about much of it and some of its meanings then even were hidden. Ya Sin or Elif Lam Min or Allah's "chair" or the "niche" words or phrases for which no language carries meaning. Because Allah doesn't sit down and heaven is not 3 dimensional. Allah says there are no comparisons. If there is a "throne" there is comparison.
I find it sort of amusing that muslim apologists use the exact same tactic as Christian apologists to explain away difficult scripture "In the correct translation" "You have to be a devout believer to understand the passage" "This is commonly mistranslated" "In the original arabic"....it would be funny if it werent so depressing....
arklowrockz It's a valid argument, and if you can't refute such an argument made, then you going to mock the argument is a manifestation of your ignorance.
Yeah but obviously there is a correct definition and incorrect definition of something. Not blind Faith because anyone could learn the etymological roots, instances of use, etc.. so it is much different
@246trinitrotoluene you certainly do enjoy bullying. it's shame. life is more fun when you don't bully people. it means someone is afraid and ashamed of themselves. hope you get better some day. get to feel comfortable with yourself.
@246trinitrotoluene translators cannot translate accurately anything but technical texts only approximately. and when a lot of the meaning is lost in history, it is even less possible. so, no it is not easy to translate anything. and yes some people in english cannot understand metaphors translated from other languages and cultures. if you knew anything about anything other than rude bullying you might know it too.
is he a khateeb at a mosque? excellent.
Aisha -the one ur making a reference to- clearly told us (in Sahih Bukhari & Sahih Muslim), that ما ضرب رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم امرأة "The messenger of God never beat/hit (daraba) a woman, nor a slave, nor a child, nor anyone, ever!" ♦ So unless Aisha didn't consider herself a "woman", she clearly was saying unequivocally that: Mohammed ((peace be on him)) never hit or beat or struck her!
She then said, He only "struck" ضرب in the battlefield fighting.
The Hadith u mentioned: he "poked"
@irfand4 accurate.
@rockstudiolive of course it doesn't matter why a man beats his wife. it is haram. abu suud says the judge must use all means to stop it. that fetwa is right here on this forum.
isafakir 1 second ago
Their is So many Ugly man in this world today my Allah bless you my Shaykh Hamza
Yeah I kinda agree (to be honest I don't know a whole heap about Islam) but if the apologist at least appeared a bit conflicted I could take the apologetic argument a bit more seriously (in that regard the literalist is perversely easier to identify with, they are completely unconflicted!!). Also if you look at an apologetics site like CARM.org well.....I would say it is more like Christian UNapologetics!!!
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@TAHSIYN You mean "the beast."