Judo has great ground game, it’s just different to BJJ but in my opinion it’s more fun and better basics regards a martial discipline. BJJ is very sport game by comparison due to the point’s structure
Its a lure, or a time waster, or a ploy to tire out opponent. Probably the person turtled up may be up on score, a better ground fighter, or strategy due to fitness demands, (ground is draining on core of both competitors, but turtle isn't so much.)
É a diferença entre quem treina katame waza , ou jiu-jitsu e quem não treina , controle do quadril e o fundamental , nunca dar as costas ao adversário .
That is a factor, but the biggest difference is the rule sets. The kosen newaza dojo in Japan (that BJJ Jiujitsu borrowed their system from) proves this point. Judoka can turn their back and be difficult to roll or win against due to the restricted time allowed by referees to make progress in contest. When no progress is evident both competitors restart standing (usually after 15 seconds of no significant progress ) Judo rules favours stand-up to be more of a self defence. Going to ground is the most stupid concept for self defence against multiple opponents that is widespread and misunderstood
hello. in 1:10 that turnover i always found very intuitive, yet im always told not to do it because its dangerous. can someones explain to me why i might be making it more dangerous than it should be? (i always keep top pressure so there is maybe that). in the rulebook i dont remember it being illegal.
If you meet too much resistance then judoka will drop their centre, to allow more leverage by fulcrum, and if this happens, &/or judoka go too close to the tail end of the other person it is easy to damage or even break their ankles. They are very vulnerable to ankle breaks from this rear direction. Allowing a clearance makes it safe.
yes we do. The first day there was lots of lightweight newaza attacks vs turtle. As fights progress newaza sucks the life of of both competitors and most avoid ground to survive the day unless they are sharp at their favourite moves and see opportunity. The Japanese women, and Darius Bilodid, and many more favour the ground.
Not really tight turtles. That’s the problem isn’t it though. People who know how to turtle won’t allow these moves to happen and people who don’t know how to turtle can be attacked pretty much anywhere… looks cool though and maybe someday I will roll against someone that will just go on all 4s without moving.
The higher your game many judoka often leave gaps to lure in the mid level judoka…. a lot of judoka do newaza like open turtle and adjust to the specific attack. Just not against a quality judoka!
too true, but as judo morphs around our own rules it's hopefully has a niche specifically that suits judoka. I mean how many BJJ'ers actually turtle up anyway, this a plain dumb in BJJ rules to give your back.
@@JudoLife I'd like to make a partially rebuttal to your comment here. In BJJ the "turtle guard" as a transitional recovery guard is becoming prevalent, especially in no-gi. Rather than allowing take-down or sweep points, it is being instructed to turtle, defend hooks and give up only the advantage point, if advantages are even in the ruleset of the competition. This allows either a safe transition to a guard, to stand up or to counter attack. The flow is different to the current form of Judo but in this respect, I believe Judo can (re)learn some aspects of fighting out of the turtle position. Attacking the turtle in BJJ can take a lot of pointers with modified goals from Judo. (Opinion of a Judo and BJJ blackbelt).
I don’t see that. Often in deep knowledge dojo where training is 3-5 hours a day for 10 years in junior high, high school and University judo clubs, simple doesn’t work.
excellent display of options
Some of the best judo in through out the ages in NZ.
Nice compilation! thanks!
Glad you liked it!
Love this, thanks a lot!! BJJ fiends claiming judo has no ground game should take note!
Judo has great ground game, it’s just different to BJJ but in my opinion it’s more fun and better basics regards a martial discipline. BJJ is very sport game by comparison due to the point’s structure
Ha ha… YOU DON’T
Love it, Graeme. Many thanks.
At 1:20 is my favourite, looks so fun and effective
ua-cam.com/video/d4Q8LQKjnkQ/v-deo.html is my latest newaza video upload. It has a couple of other options from the same start position,
@@JudoLife love this! gonna save this for my next training, thanks for sharing.
Great vid!
thank-you!!
Super 👍👍👍🥋🥋🥋
2:18 seems highly effective
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i use these techniques on my drunk friends to force them to crash the night when they think they can still drive home.
just sleep it off bud
Quickstep you are an awesome friend
1:40
Why they dont eacape from turtle position or reguard and stand up back to re fight in stand up?
Its a lure, or a time waster, or a ploy to tire out opponent. Probably the person turtled up may be up on score, a better ground fighter, or strategy due to fitness demands, (ground is draining on core of both competitors, but turtle isn't so much.)
É a diferença entre quem treina katame waza , ou jiu-jitsu e quem não treina , controle do quadril e o fundamental , nunca dar as costas ao adversário .
That is a factor, but the biggest difference is the rule sets. The kosen newaza dojo in Japan (that BJJ Jiujitsu borrowed their system from) proves this point. Judoka can turn their back and be difficult to roll or win against due to the restricted time allowed by referees to make progress in contest. When no progress is evident both competitors restart standing (usually after 15 seconds of no significant progress ) Judo rules favours stand-up to be more of a self defence. Going to ground is the most stupid concept for self defence against multiple opponents that is widespread and misunderstood
The one at 45 seconds... what is it called?
No name just yoko gaeshi (side roll)
hello.
in 1:10 that turnover i always found very intuitive, yet im always told not to do it because its dangerous. can someones explain to me why i might be making it more dangerous than it should be? (i always keep top pressure so there is maybe that). in the rulebook i dont remember it being illegal.
If you meet too much resistance then judoka will drop their centre, to allow more leverage by fulcrum, and if this happens, &/or judoka go too close to the tail end of the other person it is easy to damage or even break their ankles. They are very vulnerable to ankle breaks from this rear direction. Allowing a clearance makes it safe.
@@JudoLife i see. thank you very much!
I normally do a roll into a neck crank
Cocaine and D unhills
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Aren't neck cranks illegal in Judo??
@@terrencen they are
self-neck crank?
Why in the olympics we dont see this attempts often?
yes we do. The first day there was lots of lightweight newaza attacks vs turtle. As fights progress newaza sucks the life of of both competitors and most avoid ground to survive the day unless they are sharp at their favourite moves and see opportunity. The Japanese women, and Darius Bilodid, and many more favour the ground.
Sorry guys, but I'm stealing #8.
Feel empowered to steal the lot! Made me look at 8… they should all have names like BJJ😊
Not really tight turtles. That’s the problem isn’t it though. People who know how to turtle won’t allow these moves to happen and people who don’t know how to turtle can be attacked pretty much anywhere… looks cool though and maybe someday I will roll against someone that will just go on all 4s without moving.
The higher your game many judoka often leave gaps to lure in the mid level judoka…. a lot of judoka do newaza like open turtle and adjust to the specific attack. Just not against a quality judoka!
Be careful about sharing so much judo knowledge ....somewhere outhere there's a bjj guy making money off a new system he's discovered ...
too true, but as judo morphs around our own rules it's hopefully has a niche specifically that suits judoka. I mean how many BJJ'ers actually turtle up anyway, this a plain dumb in BJJ rules to give your back.
@@JudoLife I'd like to make a partially rebuttal to your comment here. In BJJ the "turtle guard" as a transitional recovery guard is becoming prevalent, especially in no-gi. Rather than allowing take-down or sweep points, it is being instructed to turtle, defend hooks and give up only the advantage point, if advantages are even in the ruleset of the competition. This allows either a safe transition to a guard, to stand up or to counter attack.
The flow is different to the current form of Judo but in this respect, I believe Judo can (re)learn some aspects of fighting out of the turtle position. Attacking the turtle in BJJ can take a lot of pointers with modified goals from Judo.
(Opinion of a Judo and BJJ blackbelt).
Isn't it the whole core of BJJ? 😂
The Japanese have to make everything so flashy and complicated..
I don’t see that. Often in deep knowledge dojo where training is 3-5 hours a day for 10 years in junior high, high school and University judo clubs, simple doesn’t work.
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