gr8 job. amazing u got this to work in the neon. nice swap. what happended to all the NITTY GRITTY videos? 3 years later now videos lost interest? top bad would love to see all the details of what u did to swap this there.
Recently found these videos, would like to do this over the PT-GT/Srt-4 swap. Where are all the how to video's?! Would love to see more content. Guess it's harder to go back and make them when you already have the car completed and driving.
I would love to see a driving video of this, and some putting your leg into it to see how it performs. I am soon to do a 3.3 swap in my 93 shadow with the a640 out of a 92 minivan. I think the shadow has a bit more engine bay space and maybe more hood clearance. I think I can use the shadow duster axels when they put the 3.0 and the A604 in and it should work just fine with what I am planning. I been looking for years for someone to post of some vids of how well this swap does. With your foot in it does it peel out all over the place? Over all I am just curious, post some more vids of it running and moving and driving around my man!
Yooo!!! I have literally been contemplating for the last week whether a 3.8 or 4.0 would fit in the engine bay.I want to build an 04 but the 2.0 doesn’t make the power I want and everyone has the 2.4. This gives me a little hope! I can do the wrenching and fab part but I’m terrible at the wiring.
I've got about 30,000 miles on my Neon since I did the engine swap. If driven the vehicle from Arizona to Detroit and back with no issues. It cruises down the highway effortlessly. Fuel economy was between 30 and 34 mpg. I've never heard of anyone trying to put a 4.0L in a Neon. The 4.0L is a much bigger engine and would be a real challenge to package. I would recommend going with the 3.8L. (Note: you will have to build a custom intake manifold to get the clearance required to clear the hood). As for the wiring, get a complete donor minivan to do the engine swap. Get the donor vehicle running perfect before you make the engine swap. You're going to need a lot of components from the donor van. Use the PCM from the donor van and get the factory wiring diagrams for the four big connectors at the PCM. You'll need the wiring diagrams for both the Neon and the donor van. Compare the Neon PCM connector wiring diagram to the minivan diagram and you'll see all that has to be changed. This is not an easy engine swap, but the end result is worth it!
Nice job.,did you post more or,have videos on the electical wiring harness and bypassing the skim? What kind of rpm are you turning at 70 mph? Any speedo error since the srt tire diameter is smaller. Thanks!
Skim was easy to bypass. Pull the key halo from the donor van steering column, wire the key halo into the Neon wire harness, and tape the key for the van to the key halo. Since you're using the PCM from the van, the PCM will see the same code coming from the key halo. The PCM sees the correct code and is happy. NOTE: If the Neon has SKIM, you'll have to disconnect the Neon key halo.
Just a quick update. The 3.8 has been in my 2003 Dodge Neon for about two years and it has been flawless. It still runs great, good fuel economy and a blast to drive. I drove it from Lake Havasu City to Detroit and back with no issues. It leveled the Rocky Mountains. Set the cruise control and it holds the speed regardless of the uphill grades encountered. No down shifting or unlocking the torque converter required to climb a grade. The car moved effortlessly throughout the entire trip. I've put about 25,000 miles on the vehicle since the engine swap. Absolutely no torque steer. The power is so smooth and predictable that it doesn't produce any torque steer. I have a 1985 Dodge GLH turbo, so I know what torque steer is. My 3.8L V-6 Neon is my favorite car to drive! I like it better than my Mitsubishi 3000GT VR4, my 1970 Dodge 440 Challenger, my Dodge D250 diesel, my 3.9L Cummins powered 1995 Jeep Wrangler, my 1985 GLH turbo, or my 2006 Dodge Grand Caravan. If Chrysler would have built the Dodge Neon with a 3.8 Liter V-6 they would have sold three time as many vehicles! Life is good when you drive a 3.8L Dodge Neon! :-)
@@Arizonaperfect - I've heard there was discussion of a V6 Neon, and maybe a test mule, at Chrysler, but it was shelved due to potential to take sales away from other platforms within the family. I'm doing an engine swap on my Grand Voyager AWD, and ended up finding another identical one at a wreckers, so harvested the drive train,... and there just happens to be an early Maga (Galant, but wider) sitting in the back yard,... You see where this is headed :)
Hey there Arizonaperfect! I am almost complete with my 3.3 swap in a 1993 plymouth sundance. The only problem I am having is where the tachometer hooks to. I am curious what you did, or what cavity you hooked the tach up to, to get it to work. Thank you kindly :)
I used all the stock gauges. Speedo, tachometer and all other gauges worked perfectly. I used the controller from the parts van. Got the pin outs for both the parts van controller and the Neon controller. Went through pin by pin on all four PCM connectors and modified the Neon wiring harness so that it was just like the minivan wiring harness. The gauges all fell into place. My Neon had SKIM antitheft system, so I had to unhook the key halo in the steering column so it would not broadcast over the BUS. If you have any more questions, feel free to contact me.
The only mount I used from the original configuration was the transaxle mount. Since my Neon originally had a 41TE transaxle, I used the transaxle mount to locate the driveline in the correct location so I could use the stock halfshafts. The other engine mount was custom made by me. I made my own torque brackets to control engine roll.
My Neon is a 2003 model year. The engine is from a 2005 Dodge Grand Caravan. Make sure you get the entire vehicle. You'll need the transaxle and PCM. Also need a multitude of other small parts and electrical connectors.
I used the transaxle that came out of the minivan. My second generation Neon came with a 4 speed overdrive transaxle (41TE). The minivan also had a 41TE transaxle, so that made the engine swap much easier. The original Neon wiring harness had all the plugs and connectors to make the minivan transaxle work!
The 2003 V-6 Dodge Neon is alive and well. I drive it as my daily driver. It runs great and has had no issues. I've put about 40,000 miles on the vehicle since I did the engine swap. I'm getting low 20 mpg around town and around 30 mpg on the highway. If Chrysler would have put the 3.8L engine into a Neon, it would have been the perfect car!
There are several reasons not to use a first generation Neon. 1. The engine compartment is smaller and the hood is lower. Hood clearance is an issue even with the second generation Neon. I had to make a low profile intake manifold to gain the clearance I needed. 2. All first generation Neon models equipped with an automatic transaxle came with a three speed (30TH) transaxle. Getting a 41TE to fit and work can be done, but it would be much more difficult. If you start with a second generation Neon originally equipped with a 41TE and most of the issues to get the transaxle to shift properly are eliminated. Getting the half shafts to fit might be an issue too. 3. The engine controller on a first generation is completely different than a second generation. Again, it can be done, but it is a lot harder to do the swap. You need to use the engine controller from the minivan you pulled the engine from. You would have to cut the engine controller connectors from the minivan and build an overlay harness to get everything working. That's about 150 wires! (YIKES!) 4. A second generation Neon is a much better looking vehicle. You can add some SRT4 parts to give it a modern look. I used SRT4 wheels and hood. I like the look. 5. I'm not sure, but I think first generation Neons have a mechanical speedometer vs second generation uses an electrically driven speedometer. I could be wrong. 6. The end goal on doing an engine swap is to have it be as reliable as the original engine. Everything has to work or it's not worth doing. Power steering, air conditioning, and speed control should all work when you are done.
This has to be the most unlikely, improbable engine swap I’ve ever seen. Kudos to you sir.
Very clean and nice build.
Got me thinking.
Pretty neat. 37 mpg excellent.
Nice job.
gr8 job. amazing u got this to work in the neon. nice swap. what happended to all the NITTY GRITTY videos? 3 years later now videos lost interest? top bad would love to see all the details of what u did to swap this there.
Recently found these videos, would like to do this over the PT-GT/Srt-4 swap. Where are all the how to video's?! Would love to see more content. Guess it's harder to go back and make them when you already have the car completed and driving.
I would love to see a driving video of this, and some putting your leg into it to see how it performs. I am soon to do a 3.3 swap in my 93 shadow with the a640 out of a 92 minivan. I think the shadow has a bit more engine bay space and maybe more hood clearance. I think I can use the shadow duster axels when they put the 3.0 and the A604 in and it should work just fine with what I am planning.
I been looking for years for someone to post of some vids of how well this swap does. With your foot in it does it peel out all over the place?
Over all I am just curious, post some more vids of it running and moving and driving around my man!
Outstanding.
So whatever happened to the"more future videos"?
love to see weird transverse swaps
Yooo!!! I have literally been contemplating for the last week whether a 3.8 or 4.0 would fit in the engine bay.I want to build an 04 but the 2.0 doesn’t make the power I want and everyone has the 2.4. This gives me a little hope! I can do the wrenching and fab part but I’m terrible at the wiring.
I've got about 30,000 miles on my Neon since I did the engine swap. If driven the vehicle from Arizona to Detroit and back with no issues. It cruises down the highway effortlessly. Fuel economy was between 30 and 34 mpg.
I've never heard of anyone trying to put a 4.0L in a Neon. The 4.0L is a much bigger engine and would be a real challenge to package. I would recommend going with the 3.8L. (Note: you will have to build a custom intake manifold to get the clearance required to clear the hood).
As for the wiring, get a complete donor minivan to do the engine swap. Get the donor vehicle running perfect before you make the engine swap. You're going to need a lot of components from the donor van. Use the PCM from the donor van and get the factory wiring diagrams for the four big connectors at the PCM. You'll need the wiring diagrams for both the Neon and the donor van. Compare the Neon PCM connector wiring diagram to the minivan diagram and you'll see all that has to be changed.
This is not an easy engine swap, but the end result is worth it!
Nice job.,did you post more or,have videos on the electical wiring harness and bypassing the skim?
What kind of rpm are you turning at 70 mph?
Any speedo error since the srt tire diameter is smaller.
Thanks!
Skim was easy to bypass. Pull the key halo from the donor van steering column, wire the key halo into the Neon wire harness, and tape the key for the van to the key halo. Since you're using the PCM from the van, the PCM will see the same code coming from the key halo. The PCM sees the correct code and is happy. NOTE: If the Neon has SKIM, you'll have to disconnect the Neon key halo.
Cool
This is nuts,... I Love It!
Any torque steer issues? What about using the Voyager AWD system in there?
Just a quick update. The 3.8 has been in my 2003 Dodge Neon for about two years and it has been flawless. It still runs great, good fuel economy and a blast to drive.
I drove it from Lake Havasu City to Detroit and back with no issues. It leveled the Rocky Mountains. Set the cruise control and it holds the speed regardless of the uphill grades encountered. No down shifting or unlocking the torque converter required to climb a grade. The car moved effortlessly throughout the entire trip. I've put about 25,000 miles on the vehicle since the engine swap.
Absolutely no torque steer. The power is so smooth and predictable that it doesn't produce any torque steer. I have a 1985 Dodge GLH turbo, so I know what torque steer is.
My 3.8L V-6 Neon is my favorite car to drive! I like it better than my Mitsubishi 3000GT VR4, my 1970 Dodge 440 Challenger, my Dodge D250 diesel, my 3.9L Cummins powered 1995 Jeep Wrangler, my 1985 GLH turbo, or my 2006 Dodge Grand Caravan.
If Chrysler would have built the Dodge Neon with a 3.8 Liter V-6 they would have sold three time as many vehicles!
Life is good when you drive a 3.8L Dodge Neon! :-)
@@Arizonaperfect - I've heard there was discussion of a V6 Neon, and maybe a test mule, at Chrysler, but it was shelved due to potential to take sales away from other platforms within the family.
I'm doing an engine swap on my Grand Voyager AWD, and ended up finding another identical one at a wreckers, so harvested the drive train,... and there just happens to be an early Maga (Galant, but wider) sitting in the back yard,... You see where this is headed :)
Hey there Arizonaperfect! I am almost complete with my 3.3 swap in a 1993 plymouth sundance. The only problem I am having is where the tachometer hooks to. I am curious what you did, or what cavity you hooked the tach up to, to get it to work.
Thank you kindly :)
nuca pensé que uviera de seis silidros en qué año salió
Hello, i have also put a 3.8 into a 2nd gen neon, was curious what you did for gauges/cluster?
I used all the stock gauges. Speedo, tachometer and all other gauges worked perfectly. I used the controller from the parts van. Got the pin outs for both the parts van controller and the Neon controller. Went through pin by pin on all four PCM connectors and modified the Neon wiring harness so that it was just like the minivan wiring harness. The gauges all fell into place. My Neon had SKIM antitheft system, so I had to unhook the key halo in the steering column so it would not broadcast over the BUS. If you have any more questions, feel free to contact me.
How did you manage to mount the engine on the neon stock mount points?
The only mount I used from the original configuration was the transaxle mount. Since my Neon originally had a 41TE transaxle, I used the transaxle mount to locate the driveline in the correct location so I could use the stock halfshafts. The other engine mount was custom made by me. I made my own torque brackets to control engine roll.
Now megasquirt it and turbo it.
AWD?
FWD
Yo what engine is that car from, I want to also do a swap build but idk what engine would fit the 05 models
My Neon is a 2003 model year. The engine is from a 2005 Dodge Grand Caravan. Make sure you get the entire vehicle. You'll need the transaxle and PCM. Also need a multitude of other small parts and electrical connectors.
What kind of transmission are you using and what is it out of
I used the transaxle that came out of the minivan. My second generation Neon came with a 4 speed overdrive transaxle (41TE). The minivan also had a 41TE transaxle, so that made the engine swap much easier. The original Neon wiring harness had all the plugs and connectors to make the minivan transaxle work!
what happened to this car
The 2003 V-6 Dodge Neon is alive and well. I drive it as my daily driver. It runs great and has had no issues. I've put about 40,000 miles on the vehicle since I did the engine swap. I'm getting low 20 mpg around town and around 30 mpg on the highway. If Chrysler would have put the 3.8L engine into a Neon, it would have been the perfect car!
Why not do it on a first gen? U just said that spontaneously with no reason. like space, electrical, or other problems?
There are several reasons not to use a first generation Neon.
1. The engine compartment is smaller and the hood is lower. Hood clearance is an issue even with the second generation Neon. I had to make a low profile intake manifold to gain the clearance I needed.
2. All first generation Neon models equipped with an automatic transaxle came with a three speed (30TH) transaxle. Getting a 41TE to fit and work can be done, but it would be much more difficult. If you start with a second generation Neon originally equipped with a 41TE and most of the issues to get the transaxle to shift properly are eliminated. Getting the half shafts to fit might be an issue too.
3. The engine controller on a first generation is completely different than a second generation. Again, it can be done, but it is a lot harder to do the swap. You need to use the engine controller from the minivan you pulled the engine from. You would have to cut the engine controller connectors from the minivan and build an overlay harness to get everything working. That's about 150 wires! (YIKES!)
4. A second generation Neon is a much better looking vehicle. You can add some SRT4 parts to give it a modern look. I used SRT4 wheels and hood. I like the look.
5. I'm not sure, but I think first generation Neons have a mechanical speedometer vs second generation uses an electrically driven speedometer. I could be wrong.
6. The end goal on doing an engine swap is to have it be as reliable as the original engine. Everything has to work or it's not worth doing. Power steering, air conditioning, and speed control should all work when you are done.
Way better to haul around that 3000lbs haha
Hey! Add me on Facebook (same name), I'd like to help you document the swap! I run the "Chrysler 3.3L, 3.5L, and 3.8L Engine Performance" on Facebook.
Did he ever reach out to you?
@@Karrguy1973 Unfortunately not. :(
@@NecromancerGarage bummer that would’ve been awesome
So you took a crappy motor out of a crappy car and swapped it with a bigger, more crappy motor? 😅