Jennifer Crumbley faces prosecution's cross-examination
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- Опубліковано 27 сер 2024
- The trial for Jennifer Crumbley, the mother of the Oxford High School shooter, continues Friday
Crumbley is facing four counts of involuntary manslaughter in connection with the Nov. 30, 2021 shooting committed by her son
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This is the most unprofessional and disorganized trial I have ever seen. The defense lawyer is throwing a tantrum like a bratty teenager. I’m embarrassed just watching this courtroom interaction.
I totally agree with you! I watch a lot of trials on UA-cam and have never seen anything so unprofessional!
The defense attorney COULD have help and assistance. She doesn’t want to share the money she is making. She won’t pay anyone to help her. It’s f’n gross.
@@BLUEGREEN65 I just watched the Shanda Vander Ark trial and they did a phenomenal job. Especially being a much smaller county. Its hard to stomach because of the details but it was an interesting case
@@cheeksmahoney
Agree. Both attorneys and the judge in the Vander Ark case were so much better. And the prosecutor there did a masterful cross examination of the defendant.
@@cheeksmahoney wasnt the prosecutors cross of SVA amazing? Masterful the way he sucked her in with accolades about her intelligence and accomplishments and then gut punched her with the evidence of her abuse of her son
Someone needs to tell this Judge she needs to use her "Outdoor Voice" as opposed to her "Library Voice".
Yeah. Tell me why the Judge is the only one who I have trouble hearing in these recordings? You’re supposed to speak UP in court.
Exactly. It puts more stress on everyone. What ever!
She thought her son is a horse too! Just being raised by the nature!
I am listening to this on huge speakers, just to hear the judge 🤨🤨🤨
@@Pkegksctt and?
Parental neglect:
- not seeking mental health assistance when requested
- minimising and mocking a child's expressed mental health issues by laughing at him
- locking a child out of the house
- lack of understanding showed when Ethan's *one and only* close friend and confidant was abruptly removed from his life. His friend was his "family" he could confide in and relied upon to make him feel wanted and loved
- failing to provide a loving home
- buying a highly isolated 15 year old their own gun when he displayed a distinct obsession with guns, buying it shortly following the loss of his only friend
- failing to secure a gun purchased for a *15 year old* and failing to prevent a copycat crime
- consistently displaying a lack of emotional availability to her SON in contrast to her horses
- having an affair, aka lying to her whole family and jeopardizing the family unit
Cover up:
- JC lying to her lover that she had possession of ETHAN'S GUN on the day of the shooting
- deleting text messages
- refrains from providing Police with the full picture
- lying about the intentions and requests of the School Counselor and Dean when it is clear they were coming from an empathetic approach by not assigning disciplinary consequences.
GUILTY 😡
15-year "consecutive" sentences. that is 15 times 4 which equals 60 years of jail time! 4 counts of Man 1
Very well said & well written. It took me almost one hour to write & re-write mine, then paste it in.. I like writing but I did not study like I should have to become a great writer. It was right there in front of me too.
I can sure identify great writing, however!
so disgraceful what she did, I am hoping they throw the book at her while not giving in to concurrent sentences!
Her defence attorney is so inappropriate, laughing , giggling, she interjects herself into the case . It’s disrespectful to the victims in the courtroom
She's definitely known for being disrespectful to victims. I know when she defended Larry Nassar, the victims felt really disrespected by her and even addressed it in their victim impact statements. I guess she thinks it's more important to defend her client than having respect for anyone else...
The “I wouldn’t change anything “, idk I cannot get past that. Anything? She couldn’t cop to it. She couldn’t own it. That’s so sad
I thought the same thing. I would think anyone, when something goes wrong, they would automatically try to think what they could have done different, and come up with some things.
This is the comment that did it for me. Guilty AF.
I think this is what sealed her fate. That and her lying saying she didn’t say “his gun” 😂
Grade A narcissist.
Seems pretty common, unfortunately.
@JohnPlomber Sadly, she won't contemplate a thing. She's just not a normal thinking, caring, loving person. But we can hope!
So let me get this right, the mother hires an attorney to defend herself but not her son, he gets public defender.
You are exactly correct.
That's because she only cares about herself. I hope they find her guilty.
unlikely frankly. @@Joanuk2011
It was pretty much an open and shut case that the son did what he did. These charges are a reach.
Ethan had $3,000 in his account they cleaned that out. I think EC could tell they didn’t love him.
Why is jennifers' lawyer going on and on about herself ....
Right? It was so bizarre.
Right. I'm thinking "you could report it" if you monitored. One off instances are different than repeated calls for help that are ignored.
Jennifer’s lawyer is always making it about herself. Either a tactic to distract juror’s from seeing evidence before them or she’s as obnoxious as she seems. Over her head as far as court room decorum. This judge allowing both sides to speak objections. Embarrassing to me! World stage seeing this & behavior being allowed by whispering judge is deplorable!
Because she's a terrible lawyer! She is definitely not helping her client with that maneuver.
I think she likes the limelight 😂
Anyone else wondering why she's trying to compare the lack of right ramen to the fact this child needed help and killed 4 people, injured several more, because he wasn't supported or being heard?
Yep. Once again completely minimizing and ignoring the extreme mental health problems that Ethan had.
Her job is to provide reasonable doubt.
@@goofygirl1311so extreme that the school counselor addressed him on them in passing in the school hallway?🤷🏽
WHAT ATTORNEY WOULD EVEN ENTERTAIN THINKING ABOUT TAKING ON THE NASSAR CASE????
AND NOW!!! A MASS MURDER CASE!????
DEPLORABLE!!!!!
MY OPINION
Also.......MS. SMITH KNEW JENNIFER CRUMBLY WAS INVOLVED WITH A SWINGER APP AND INVITED MULTIPLE PEOPLE TO A HOTEL THAT JENNIFER CRUMBLY HAD DWELLING. THIS WAS A BUSINESS MEETING???
I THINK NOT...... JENNIFER CRUMBLY HAS A SEX ADDICTION A XANAX ADDICTION AND AN ADDERALL ADDICTION.
AND ABOVE ALL AN ALCOHOL ADDICTION..
SHE SHOULD HAVE NEVER HAD A FIREARM IN HER PROCESSION.
@@Pkegkscttcalm down lol
Watching from New Zealand, and not very clued up on the American Justice system, but in my time watching trials I have yet to see such a self serving attorney. She is using her closing argument to tell the world she isn’t perfect and that she knows what people are saying about her, instead of focussing in on her client. Horrible to say the least
A Narrsasist Lawyer? What would you expect??
Exactly
You nailed it, though.
She couldn’t resist the the temptation to use closing arguments to speak of herself and defend herself from all the accurate depictions laid out about her online and the Tik tok of her all the many times she says I’m sorry.
Unbelievable how much she has hijacked this closing argument to be as much about her and not the defendant.
😮me me me and I I I!
What kind of mother watches the Kardashians with her teenage daughter? They are the absolute worst role models for young ladies!! I outlawed the Kardashians in our home. 😡 I would NEVER want my daughter looking up to them.
2:22 she says I know we took his shooting range away and we took his gun away And then a little after the prosecution says I wanna go back and she Denys saying we took his gun away but we all hear her say it! 🤷🏻♀️
Right?!? And she argued with the prosecutor! Fool!
Wrong time stamp!
I feel so sorry for this jury having to put up with this whiny, confused defense “attorney”!
that "whiny, confused defense attorney" is going to win the case and did better than prosecution
I listened to closing arguments. It wasn't that bad. She is easy on the eyes and has great hair!
I felt like watching both sides... the defense didn't really do a good job in building Jennifer to be a present mother. All of her responses were "idk" "no I wasn't concerned" and her lawyer said okay correct. And, everything was weak bc it took place BEFORE the shooter's friend moved away which was the catalyst of the disturbing behavior. @@jakespag
@@jakespagthis comment aged well 😂😂
@@jakespagdamn how you feeling now huh?
Being compared to this defense lawyer is NOT going to make the defendant look more normal 😂
😂
I don’t think Jennifer’s attitude during cross is going to help her one bit. Another example of someone who probably should not have taken the stand. Not that I’m sad about it - I think she is totally negligent and guilty.
of course it doesn’t help her. If I was being asked questions with an attitude and a loud tone I’d probably lose my case! 😂 I’m sure it’s hard being questioned like this and I can’t believe she LIED on the stand right in front of the jury! She said she took away the gun range and the gun but then she denied it, saying she said the gun. She clearly said the gun!!
You really want her found guilty? Are you a perfect parent? You better be because if shes found guilty that sets a vety dangerous precedent
@@rosep8481it should sent a precedent! Children and guns do not mix and that’s been proven time and time again. If your child gets a hold of a gun YOU BOUGHT THEM without permission AND MURDERS innocent people it’s no one’s fault but those parents who provided said gun and never stored it properly.
@@Flutekneesthe second my son showed signs of needing mental help I found every resource available in my area and got him in to therapy. I didn’t wait for him to tell me he needed it and his life has changed, for the better, dramatically. This isn’t rocket science. In this day and age there’s no excuse to laugh it off or wait for things to get worse. The symptoms are more than enough proof to do something before something worse happens.
@@rosep8481it’s about damn time
The parents and the school ignored the obvious cry’s for help from a child. Very sad all the way around.
@@bbreel320I can’t even imagine a parent saying such a thing. She probably wanted to be her son’s friend, rather than his parent. It sounds like something only a kid would say to a friend, certainly not a parent.
I absolutely can’t stand how rude she is to the judge!!! She just talks right over her!!
This attorney is worse than amber heards attorney
Yes exactly, Jennifer’s lawyer is like a bratty teenager whining and tantrum throwing and saying me me me it’s all about me
ive never heard a more insane, self-indulgent, pointless defense closing argument in my 14+ years in the legal field... unreal...
Who’s a worse defense attorney Shannon Smith or Darrell Brooks? 😂
That’s gonna be a tie. 🤷🏻♀️🤣
🎉Tie shoulda been a better call saul moment rip to the victims an her defense
The defense attorney is an emotional immature brat.
This judge has NO balls!
100% agree! She should have been removed from the case. She's is awful and even if the defendant is convicted, the case is likely to be overturned on appeal.
I think that kid starting playing with that ouja board, believed he summoned a ghost that only F’ed with him and went down hill from there. He had insomnia. Insomnia can really affect your mental health. I think he spent a lot of time unsupervised and alone especially after his friend left.
assume assume assume dummy
Do you really think it is only in America that kids feel this way?? Every country on earth has bad parents and mental health problems but guess what? Only America has mass shooting every single day. Canada has bad parents but I am not aware of any school shootings. I do remember one about 25 years ago in Montreal but we don't have mass shootings in malls etc. America has more mass shootings in a year than it has days in a year. It is very clear to me that your love of guns is more than your love of children. Your children live in fear. Shame on you all.
@@dogwood9023 Actually we have had mall shootings here in Canada 🇨🇦, the one that took place at the Eaton Centre in Toronto in 2012, when two individuals were killed, and seven injured. There have been others as well in malls/mall parking lots, sad as those were, they were usually individuals familiar to one another.
As for school shootings, the École Polytechnique massacre back in 1989 that saw 14 young women murdered and 14 injured, was by far the worst, however there are others.
In my own province, back in 2016, two teachers were killed and seven injured in La Loche, when a student went to the school and carried out the shootings, he injured six others.
Another teacher severely injured at the time, died last year, from the long term effects of the shooting. (He also killed two individuals in their home prior to going to the school)
So while it does not happen as often up here, and not necessarily on the same scale, it does occur.
Agreed
@dogwood9023 Do you not realize the U.S. has over 5 times the population of Canada? Population size should be an important factor to consider. Also, it’s a gross exaggeration to say the U.S. has a mass shooting daily. Back up your claims with true statistics.
This defense lawyer is an absolute joke
Except JC is just like her. 2 self absorbed women.
If she wasn’t going to flee why didn’t she tell the police where they were?
Defense attorney seems to be hyper focused on all the comments about her.
How do you interrupt someone during their closing argument? Good lord Shannon Smith is an awful attorney.
Idk but I wanted to interrupt the defense attorney every time she spoke!
She went to the Darrel Brooks School of Law
If they can’t find her guilty, I sure hope the victims’ family can sue her for every dime she has left.
Right she has nothing left! She is entitled to freedom if she is found innocent!
I wish Canada could sue every single time a crime is committed here with an illegally smuggled gun from your amoral country. Shame on you all for loving your guns more than your children. There is no other country on earth that has the amount of school shooting as the USA. It is shameful.
She got nothing
Certainly they will.
They could sue her in civil court even if this trial did not occur.
I am betting not guilty or hung jury.
This case is a VERY SLIPPERY slope. Either way Jennifer's life is ruined.
One of the saddest and most accurate comment I’ve seen so far…
I think it's going to be a hung jury which according to a lawyer reacting to this case means she'll go back to jail and be retried. After hearing all of this, I think this is prosecution overreach. The gun was in a lock box stored away from the bullets, the parents had no knowledge the son was going to shoot up a school. That should be enough to determine no guilt.
Every American life is ruined by the lack of sensible gun laws. Shame on you all for letting this play out in schools every single week. Shame on you all for loving guns more than children.
@@LynnS-gd8wqi agree.
This is a slippery slope. I see this as government overreach. Every parent should be concerned. If this can happen to the Crumbley’s, it can happen to any parent. Also, remember that Ethan Crumbley was charged and convicted as an ADULT.
I'm 61. When I was growing, all the way through highschool, my parents saw everything that was in my room. Why? Because they CARED!!
Crumblys didn't want Ethan! "He was a mistake!!" Her words!!
@@bbreel320 I know right?
I am sooo disgusted with her lies!! Who calls their child a mistake? Both ignored their son his whole life. She constantly lied on the stand. I was so stunned she said she wouldn't do anything different.
Neither ever wanted children.
My parents did want us either yet stepped up and did actually care!!
@@lindasue263my mom called me a mistake. I didnt turn that into an excuse to torture animals and kill my peers. He was tried as an ADULT.
@@rosep8481I am sad for you. But this mommy didn't give crap about her mistake.
What is your point?
@@rosep8481 afraid to answer? Of course you are!
@@lindasue263Im fine I dont need your “sympathy”.
I love my own daughter to distraction but sometimes after working a full day as the SOLE breadwinner I left her in daycare alittle longer so I could run for an hour. Sometimes I paid $5 an hiur on a saturday for babysitting so I could run. I spent $100 on a pair of running shoes even though most of our clothes came from thrift stores. In your world that means if my daughter did something horrendous I WAS AT FAULT. In fact since ethan was charged as an adult, in your world even now I AM RESPONSIBLE if she commits a crime
And yet you wont blame the lack of gun laws or even admit that has anythjng to do with the innumerable mass shootings all over this country.
And every parent of every adult who carried out a mass shooting goes to prison
Btw I dont spend an entire evening scrolling comnents. I have 6 cats to care for and a stray that just showed up on my back porch tonight.
Taking 4 xanax at a time earns her the official title of "drug abuser."
I was thinking the same thing. 4 xanax is a lot.
Legit
ITS ALL SO UGLY AND ABSOLUTELY REPULSIVE
I thought I was the only person that thought that was allot at once... She has a huge tolerance.
The only other person I've ever seen able to take that many zanies at a time was a HARDCORE addict, and I've known lots, 4 at once to "sleep" is alot if you haven't slept for 4 days - you wouldn't need Xanax, you'd crash without it - that is ALOT of Xanax
So which one of you told her to pronounce cache like that? OMG!!!! 😆
We all did to make her look bad!😊
@@BjBeam hilarious. But she looked bad even before that. 😆
And she listened apparently. 😂 I can’t even… it made it okay to listen to her for just that moment. lol only she will love the tik toks about it now too. She is a mess.
@@Jokeejoe now that the trial is almost over I really want to email and tell her all the things we heard because she didn't know to shut her mike off. Nothing like having your stomach issues livestreamed to thousands of people.
😂
If you see something like this monster, call CPS, call the police.
She is so condescending. Even the way the defense attorney says "Thank you...." is annoying and rude.
Guilty or not the parents are being made an example of this is very clear.
Good.
Even if not found guilty, financially she is done. Depleting her assets and savings. Likely dipping into her retirement accounts
Yeah an example of being guilty...
4 children are murdered "brutally"
and she could've prevented that!
I wonder if you would say that
if it was one of your children?
"Reasonable Care" would have been to take her son home after school councilor pointed out her sons cry for help. She is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.
@@toddmurphy523 also if the school had done their job. They are just as much to blame the gun was feet from the counselor the whole time yet he isn’t on trial.
Her lawyer needs to get a job at Target.
Or Walmart
There's an awful lot of bad parents commenting. Jennifer didn't parent. She controlled & ignored her "mistake" his whole life!!
Look at the parents of the last 10 school shooters in the US. The Uvalde parents were career criminals. They walk free.
Kinda like every American citizen who votes for no gun controls. You love guns so much more than children it is sickening.
@@dogwood9023 💯
Yeah? And you are the perfect parent? According to whose standards? Who is going to set those standards? The fundamentalists on the right? The liberals on the left? Be careful what you wish for
@@dogwood9023Do you know anything about gun control? Omg grow up.
Having been a defense attorney for the past 22 years, I can only say that her counsel is completely incompetent, lacks complete courtroom decorum and etiquette, and has violated numerous rules of ethics. Her closing argument keeps referencing "I", which is NOT permissible. Yet, for some reason they State is not objecting. The trial judge is an absolute joke and should have been removed from this case. She has ZERO control of this courtroom and the case is very likely to be overturned on appeal due to numerous errors that have been allowed into the record. It is just unreal. What a tragedy this young man and the the victims and their familes have experienced. My heart goes out to them all. This was preventable and that's the worst part about this entire scenario that has affected so many lives.
Guess you were wrong
The defence attorney did not do herself any justice. Couldn’t believe how much she was concerned about how she was looking and her hair etc before closing. And how rude to put her lipstick on whilst stood up talking to the judge. Wouldn’t surprise me if the jury couldn’t separate their opinions on her.
@@susie2024 sometimes i put lipstick on because my lips are dry.
There is no way a lawyer is this incompetent - this has to be a ploy to get a new trial because of inadequate legal representation. See what the People have, and then try for an appeal.
100% agree. It makes zero sense. The judge is awful, has ZERO control of her courtroom, has allowed numerous items into evidence illegally, and has let counsel get away with VERY inappropriate conduct and remarks. It's unreal.
The defense "Attorney" is the epitome of demanding to having her cake and eating it too.
dummy
And then she must tell everyone she knows about it, and complains when others even try talking about their own cake.
Ethan Crumbley was a system-wide failure. Children need to be nurtured & loved, not forgotten and left to themselves. This kid had 13 cavities in his mouth. I just cannot imagine this. Ethan, crying out for parental attention and love, is regarded as an inconvenience and a burden to his selfish disgusting Mother. If Jennifer Crumbley is convicted, every parent of a child who commits a felony will be at risk.
This woman is a monster, no question about it. But she's not even being charged as an accessory.
f you could be convicted in a court of law for being terrible people, Jennifer and her bonehead husband would get life
without parole.
In addition, the saddest part of this story I think is that she is not the only parent out there like that. Many need to wake up and start watching their children, they are your responsibility, not society's. Maybe when we start to hold incompetent parents accountable some of this country's problems will subside. The root cause of many of these shootings is parent neglect!
Some of us were/are smart & never had any kids just like Jennifer should have been!
Who brings a white poster board and colored index cards to a trial?. This gives more of a high school oral report vibe than a court trial. That maps out since the defense lawyer is juvenile.
I was thinking middle school… especially the cute pastel cards! 😂
The defenses closing argument is the worst closing I have ever heard…lots of me me me me. Not much about the case, the evidence, or about how the evidence is “wrong”.
She's about as incompetent as I've ever seen, How she graduated law school is beyond me.
1:36:48
1:37:05 SHE is absolutely inappropriate and saying unacceptable things! She is borderline deserving to be sanctioned and/or held in contempt! She cuts off the judge when talking & when the DA addresses the judge she ALWAYS tries to answer or respond in some way before the judge!
Alpha Females--------------------------------------------STAY AWAY
I think she would’ve had an easier time gaining some sympathy from the jury if she owned it just a little bit admit you could’ve done some things differently. And you’re sorry. She cannot say she is sorry one time.
I agree!! I was saying myself that mom should have at least admitted that she could have done more and apologized. She didn’t come off sympathetic at all.
@@derob55 she came off so hard , cold.
The school and state should be just as liable. They should have reported to the state health and welfare.
Hell they could have just kept him in the guidance office till the busses came
Providing a LOVING environment should be made lawful. It's not simply about providing food and shelter.
Nice idea but defining “loving environment” could never be agreed upon.
This is ridiculous
Right off the bat, her tone and body language is screaming argumentative. I get it...this person is trying to send you to prison and basically calling you everything but a child of God without coming right out and saying it. I would imagine it's hard not to get defensive. But for me, if I were a juror...and she was expecting me to believe that she was a regular mom who made some mistakes...your approach to being questioned about factual things is going to say a lot to me. You're on the stand ready to fight this prosecutor for confronting you with the truth, who's to say you didn't do that with the counselors or with your son when he was telling you he was having trouble? Just my thoughts...
Let's say the parents supplied their son with fentanyl. Son takes to school and gives to 4 students unknowingly who end up dying of the drug. Would the parents be responsible for supplying the drug that killed four students?
In my opinion, yes.
Good point!
Yes, they would be liable.
Yep
Of course they would be.
Jennifer’s attorney has a few days to figure out how to say cache. 😂
Good luck getting a jury of parents to find another parent guilty of their child's actions.
Im a parent n would find her guilty
Are you talking about how parents today lack responsibility and a sense of discipline
I’m a parent & she’s guilty.
I'm a parent, and I say guilty
a very good point!
If my daughter needed help with anything it was priority 1 always and definitely never laughed what a dirt bag
Exactly, and it takes a lot of courage for anyone, let alone a child, to ask for help with their mental health. He should have been taken seriously.
My kid had problems in high school and we were in a lapse with our insurance. I ended up going to a clinic that had sliding scale fees. We even got her into a mental health study just so she could receive care. I did not allow her to get her drivers license until she had a year of stable mental health. When she was really bad I locked up knives, scissors, forks, basically anything that could harm her or anyone else. After countless years of therapy appointments 3x a week and hospital stays and treatment centers I can proudly say she is 25 with her degree and living a full life. She still has problems but she has the tools to deal with them.
@@BLUEGREEN65right! How often do you hear this of mass murderers especially kids?! They might draw or journal about it, some brag…but I’ve never heard of one asking for help before he did it. I think he scared himself to be honest…and 3 years later…her head is still in the freakin clouds (I’m hoping dad is a little more introspective).
@@hulaholethat’s a beautiful testimony, glad for you both! 😊
The defense closing was more about herself than the defendant. Funny how overwhelmed she is by this trial, but she's seen all the tiktok videos she's in. I love all the trolls that convinced her you pronounce the word cache as if you are saying cachet.
I just came here to ask who told her to pronounce it like that. How in the world could she not know how to pronounce it? I'm 70 years old and I know how to pronounce it.
@@jayneparish165 even after hearing the prosecutors and witnesses saying it correctly. Her use of Powerschools was driving me crazy. It's PowerSchool.
😂
Seen them and got really but hurt
I thought the same thing! I didn't catch the way she pronounced it before -- did she pronounce it correctly, then they 'corrected' her?
This is hilarious! Kudos to the trolls!
Guilty as Charged!
Almost feels like the defense is trying to tempt the jurors into looking at social media over the weekend so she can get a mistrial.
I agree. If the judge reminds them at the end of every day NOT to look at social media, how can Shannon get away with talking about Tic Toc and the comments made on the internet? This blew my mind! 🤯
100% agree. She (along with the judge that has zero control of the courtroom) has zero courtroom decorum and has violated numerous rules of ethics. It's sad because it will likely lead to an ineffectiveness claim which is likely to be granted if there is a conviction. What a waste of time! All of these victim's families will have to go through this again. Remove the judge!
If she does get found guilty, she can give some thanks to the person sitting next to her...good grief...it's like watching a mean girl from high school.
Dear God, the defense attorney’s way of speaking about her own children is disgusting and completely disrespectful to children who do have mental health issues.
Defense just said you made her blush when prosecutor was talking about the affair? 1:36-37:14? What in the world!! You are right Mr. Prosecutor it’s not a laughing matter! Man Defense attorney is so unprofessional and low key cringe! ☹️
This case will set presedence for all parents if she is convicted now if anyones child does a crime all parents responsible.
@debracleveland5101 not true at all....the specific facts in this case are specific to THIS CASSE
That was a low move! It is common courtesy to let the opposing counsel know where you are in trial. To say you have two witnesses and then to just say, the way she said it, we are ready to go to closing is just very immature!
no it was a tactic to make the prosecution unprepared for closing statements on a friday, in stead of letting them have the weekend to prepare.
@@amyarini7266lol exactly! Low move! Trust me!!! I realize it was a tactic but it was tacky!! Most respectable attorneys don’t do that!
Shannon is extremely unprofessional!! Her closing was horrible 😂 She didn't learn crap defending Larry Nassar, the athlete pedo. She lost big time then & will lose this case!! The judge is not so good either. Those two must be friends.
I think she did a great job with closings statements...I think she'll be found not guilty
...Nasser? Overwhelming evidence in that case....I don't care who his lawyer was....
I agree. The judge is treating the defense "attorney" as if she was a little girl playing attorney.
NOT GUILTY! The prosecution did not prove her guilt! I liked the defense’s closing of pointing out that her client is human with faults.
@@phyllisthompson3242 🤡
@@philipwood8776 🤡
Don’t you think that the judge should ask the jury if they are willing to stay late? She has been so concerned about this jury talking to anyone that she had lunch brought in!! This judge is weak and looks to defense attorney for approval ALL THE TIME! even if Crumbly is guilty, the judge will sentence her lightly!!
It is pretty common practice to bring in lunch for the jury
….and jury stays till dismissed!! Judge always HAS to say don’t speak to anyone, etc.
The judge is a joke and should have been removed.
hes painting a picture and showing the jury she wasnt focused or present in his life
Smith really is NOT helping her client by speaking about her own parenting fails😂
Most of us parents have our fails but in her attempt to be relatable, we all just got a glimpse into her own, very personal parenting style. Yikes.
She seems to be extremely oblivious to the reality of being in a courtroom, the case being heinous and heart wrenching. It is not the place, ESPECIALLY the case to be sarcastically joking… which she’s done from the start!
Really not a good look girl.
The worst defense closing argument I’ve ever seen.
Interesting, I think the opposite. She humanized JC . She made her be just like you and me .. which she is. I think she did a crappy job defending her but her closing statement was good.
The worst gun laws on this planet.
I think it's spot on
@@Just_a_Mom53agree
I was surprised that she actually had a convincing closing considering the rest of the trial. I think Shannon will get her off with that closing.
Defense : "I would like to close the door, after I opened it, on Jennifer's affairs and have all testimony stricken from the record regarding"......😜😂🤣😂
Time Stamp People!
@@Pawknee123 Satire....🙄
Right 😂
@@Pawknee123I don’t know exactly the time stamp but at the beginning before the cross she did something like this
Simply put. If parents hadn't purchased gun and bullets OR if they were secured - this tragedy wouldn't have occurred.
Guilty. IMO
Exactly, this could have been so easily prevented. Adults need to be ultra responsible with gun safety, to include storage of the gun.
I keep hearing this same comment for some reason! Here’s the thing is that anyone and I mean anyone with money and internet connection can get a gun super easy.. Ethan already made up his mind of what he was going to do and even if the parents didn’t get him the gun he would have found a way. Don’t ever underestimate anyone with a plan. The Crumbleys were my neighbors and Ethan worked at my restaurant as a dishwasher before covid. No one had a clue what he was thinking because he never talked to anyone and we’re a small town and gossip travels far. He knew that and was not a dumb kid, just a kid with issues. He pleaded guilty to his charges and that should be the end of it. This is a bullshit trial and I personally don’t feel the parents are at fault. It’s not like Ethan was like hey mom and dad can you buy a gun so I can kill my classmates. In Oxford everyone has a gun and trust me there’s lots of people with issues but no one goes to school to kill people. Ethan was most definitely guilty as proven but the parents are not.
@@RhinoXerozbut all your ifs are not what happened here. So what if none of you knew what his intentions were. You're not his parent, they ARE.
His PARENTS bought him a deadly weapon. He had easy access to that weapon.
He retrieved the weapon and used it to murder 4 people.
Not a weapon purchased on the internet in your pie in the sky theories but a weapon bought for him by HIS parents, his legal guardians until he came of age.
It's all about firearm safety at the end of the day. They gave a troubled kid access to it and were not careful about it.
@@RhinoXeroz So since kids can get guns, alcohol, and tobacco - even without the help of a parent, your stance is that parents might as well just supply these things to their children? (If so, do you still think that's the best move for kids with obvious signs of mental illness?)
Even if she had a better lawyer it’s still neglect which is child abuse. Can’t hide that or make it look better. She and husband are the reasons their kid did this. He was finally heard. He’s in for life and so should his parents be. This sends a huge message to parents. Be involved in their kids lives. Know what they are doing at all times. Spend time with kids. Or they too can find themselves on a stand for something their kid does. Parents are responsible for raising their kids. They are responsible for their kids actions. It’s time to stop making excuses and be held accountable.
1000000% - well said!
"I didn't mean for her to say that, so don't allow it." I'm paraphrasing but that's basically what she said when they were talking about waiving her right not to have her lawyer be considered a witness. "I didn't know she was going to say that..." is not an argument is it?!
It is not. The perils of letting a client take the stand in their own defense.
Her closing argument did not convince me of JC innocence, but just demonstrates she is a crap parent too!
Agree completely!!
Wow the defense lawyer was very self indulgent in her closing....it was all me me me ....
Her defense is insane. Closing argument all about her. How is that doing any good?
How shameful. . I mean HOW UTTERLY SHAMEFUL. The parents CHILD was so distraught and mentally disturbed he shot those poor people .
They instead of going to the aid of their son, they RAN. How cowardly . And sick .
What an atrocity! Defense atty talks about how SHE could be Mrs. Crumbley! How she doesn't answer texts from her own kids, how she calls her daughter "psychotic". Well, that's just great. Now I gotta feel sorry for her kids too. She sounds like a crappy mother. But WTF is she comparing her kids, her life to J. Crumbley's? It's completely and utterly different! Ethan IS mentally ill (even tho she says he isn't - how she claims that, I don't know). Her kids don't have a gun. Her kids are not drawing disturbing things on school papers. Her kids are seemingly mentally fit. This is such a ridiculous closing argument - she's focusing on herself and wasting time. She's probably lost the jury's attention a long time ago. She doesn't know when to stop talking. One of the worst trials I've ever seen...
Watching after the fact and OMG I can't listen to the defense attny closing. Stop using your story.
Right?!? After the first 15 mins, I had to skip ahead. 🤦🏻♀️🙉
She was a piece of work during the whole trial!
The defense attorney is unprofessional, interrupts whenever she feels like and behaves she’s a petulant, impulsive child that appears to know nothing about court room decorum. She whines, interrupts the prosecution AND even talks over the judge😅. I could barely stand hearing her during closing.
I can’t get past the fact that she wouldn’t change anything, along with the fact that she didn’t even acknowledge her son at the school. I don’t think Ethan felt loved. No matter how many parenting mistakes I make or how mad I am at my kids, I love them and always make sure they know it. He didn’t care because SHE didn’t care.
Exactly felt no love from his parents even when he asked them for help
Crumbley's lawyer decided to go to law school when she watched "Legally Blonde"
😂😅😂😅
Hmmm, I dont know if the prosecutor did a good job proving that she is guilty of involuntary manslaughter.
Yes they did
This defense attorney sounds just like she just graduated law school. Its obvious that she is not qualified to handle a case this big.She doesnt even speak professionally.
You all do know that as soon as dad lost his job, you can get coverage with a policy until you can join your spouse’s policy.
Anyway, you look at this case it’s sad. There are no winners everyone lost.
Yes, it’s heartbreaking 😢
An unprecedented case that will set the standard for charging parents for crimes their children commit. School officials should be charged as well. Checking backpacks is 101 for k-12 principles
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Thank you ! Everyone wants to get their underwear in a bunch but no one is thinking about what this really means for the future. Everyone better tuck their shirt into their pants and cook 3 meals a day as a parent so that if your kid makes a terrible mistake you can say you made apple pie while working full time
@@Shann381amen sister. I sure hope this jury understands that
@@Shann381How hard is it to lock up your firearms and keep them away from your crazy kid? I mean, not that hard.
Sorry but there was So Much Evidence this kid needed help in this case and those Parents ignored his crys for help! They never made One Phone Call For their Son. It is our responsibility to be there and watch and LISTEN to Our children.
The shooter is a minor and the fact that his dad purchased all the guns would make the dad ( JAMES ) ~ RESPONSABLE for makeing sure all weapons were locked and secure at all times ! Too often kids are brought into this world without any parenting at all and the end always becomes a bad ending for the childeren ! If i had JENIFER and JAMES as parents ..... I would not feel cared about or Loved ! This account is very sad and trajic FOR ALL VICTUMS MENTIONED ! mY SINCERE HEART FELT FEELINGS GO OUT FOR THE kIDS SHOT AND THEIR fAMILYS !
I am going to be very unpopular here on this thread but I don't believe Jennifer should be held accountable or guilty of her son's actions.
From where I watch from, the American gun culture appears to normalise taking your children out shooting at shooting ranges or to teach gun safety and skills to children.
Q. Are there any current laws preventing children from handling weapons at all??
I also think her defense attorney made good arguments during her closing.
What this case actually shows me, is that American gun laws absolutely need changing to ensure that children are better protected;
NO CHILD EVER should ever have a gun accessible to them or is ever allowed to live in the same household as a gun is contained, even if under lock & key as those locks can always be hacked or picked..
NO CHILD EVER should be taught how to use a gun.. they have no capacity or need to be responsible for maintaining anyone's safety by way of the use of a weapon.
NO CHILD EVER should be allowed to step foot on shooting ranges or go on trips with anyone for the purpose of using /being taught to use any kind of firearm..
Learn from these senseless mistakes and tragedies..
I hope this case pushes for a change to your laws and bylaws & helps to remove the opportunity for any child to ever injure, harm or kill another human being with any kind of firearm, ever...
We thought Sandy Hook would change the laws, but there have been dozens of tragedies. I worry we're desensitized. I am lucky to live in CT, our state laws are strong. But on a federal level, we fail. Gun lobbies, the NRA, 2nd Amendment "enthusiasts", all prevent any real progress for basic safety measures.
I believe Jennifer should be held responsible for ignoring her son’s cries for help, not telling the school admin that Ethan had access to a gun, and then evading police afterwards, but this prosecution closing argument is really sloppy. She doesn’t look well prepared. Basically just reads from a poorly prepared PowerPoint. Disappointing. I hope the jury makes the right decision to convict Crumbley.
Defense closing:
"The Prosecution can not prove that Mrs. Crumbley was aware that there was a danger that existed, by her son, that required her to exercise reasonable care."
"Reasonable Care" would have been to take her son home after the School Councilor meeting. He pointed out her sons cry for help.
Jury: We find the defendant GUILTY on all charges.
I fell out my chair
10 years tops out in 7
Her son asked for help with his psychosis, for seeing demons throwing bowls & clothes. He was told to “suck it up” Instead they bought him a gun for XMas
Is it me or did she lie about taking “his gun away” and no one said anything? Mark Keast said she said “his gun” but she denied she said it. Then he moved on. Video is proof she said it. I watched live myself and was shocked she denied it.
Prosecution should only get it one way....either Jennifer KNEW her child was deranged and did nothing. OR Jennifer was an absent Mother and knew almost nothing. They tried to play both sides.. it is 💩
I think the defense tried to play both sides....either she didn't know anything - which makes her culpable - ot she knew and ignored - which makes her culpable. 😂😂
Honestly, I would vote, not guilty. I'm not sure how you can 100% stop this as a parent.
Even the “experts” at the school didn’t view him as an imminent threat to himself or others. Best believe if they did, they’d have been calling 911 ASAP. They’re mandated reporters “trained” on this, yet they didn’t.
Yes her son did this but he isn’t yet an adult. Parents ARE responsible for ensuring their children are safe, cared for, loved and that their physical, spiritual AND mental health is the parental duty. It SICKENS me that they ignored their son who cried out for help, told them of how he was feeling and they told him to suck it up and laughed. If any of the jury thinks this acceptable parenting of a child… they shouldn’t be parents either. The fact that Ethan suffered psychotic episodes from that spring and his parents didn’t get him help is outrageous. His life could’ve been saved had they acted as a normal loving parent would and taken him to a psychiatrist for treatment and therapy. Both parents failed miserably and imo should be found guilty of involuntary manslaughter. Their son was tormented by his illness and all they could do was think about themselves. Parents should always put their child’s well being before their own! Four young lives And Ethan could have been saved if they’d taken appropriate steps.
Well said I completely agree
@@leighann5308 I pray the jury gets it right!
He was showing signs leaning more towards suicide not homicide, suicidal doesnt mean homicidal she was not the only one whongelt he was NOT A THREAT the school felt the same way. Why is the school not on trial??
He was abusive to animals.
If he was suicidal- you would keep him away from guns.
@@iyq2... Fr! She acknowledged he was depressed yet goes out and gets him a gun. 🤔
The school counselor sat feet away from the gun and gave this kid the choice to go home or stay at school. The school should have called the police like they were supposed to. In my county they would have had the police and everyone there k-9s and everything because you never know when or who a shooting will happen. The school is just as culpable as the parents. The school didn’t protect the kids that were under their care. The minute that backpack got on school grounds they became responsible. That’s why there is metal detectors in schools and clear backpacks and precautions against this kind of incident.
Agree!!!!!!!👍🏼
Guilt !!! Guilt!! She was a horrible mother. She was more concerned for her horses, and cheating on her husband than her son's well being!
The Defense Attorney did not help her client when she opened the door allowing the affair to be introduced. ( After she fought to keep it out....🤷).
Unethical!!
If the defense wins I think it will ONLY be because people are afraid this will become a precedent. She is awful, and so is her despicable client.
It WILL become a precedent. Whats next? Social scores like they do in China?
NOT GUILTY
omg the defense lawyer opening to her closing statement is HORRIBLE! I am not thinking that JC is a horrible mother, but so is she!
was the defense closing statement meant to sound like a skit from SNL !
WTF !" he he he I may have a drink or 1 or 2 or maybe a bottle " the attorney is insane.
and maybe she will fined herself in the same seat at Crumbley.
That defense attorney is quite a strange woman. This isn’t all about her, but she makes it sound like it is. I’m kinda feeling sorry for the defendant because she has this kook representing her
strangest closing argument ever...is she really a member of the Mich. bar?
😳 I’m at the part that the defense is talking about the butcher block and the bits. Why would you say that?!?