SOMEHOW... Everyone Has Lost The Ben Simmons James Harden Trade
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- Опубліковано 10 лют 2025
- The Ben Simmons James Harden trade between the Brooklyn Nets and Philadelphia 76ers in February of 2022 is a crazy trade to look back on, mostly because everybody lost.
#bensimmons #jamesharden #jameshardentrade
Looking back, Brooklyn getting Seth Curry as a "throw in" was probably the best asset of the Harden-Simmons trade
Seth can ball.
Unfortunately, he only played one and half season with them and left the team and Brooklyn didn't get any significant return for him.
Looking back, the NBA is a fucking embarrassing joke that sets a terrible example for our society and children.
That 2027 pick looks like a gold mine now 😊. Even being top 8 protected, teams starting to asking for it.
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Rockets won the Harden trade. They got the chance to rebuild and didn't have to sign him to a long term contract. Also got multiple Nets picks on top.
I mean they've kinda wasted most of that capital and their team is a bottom 4 team next year as well. So did they really win?
No they really didn’t.
Brooklyn and Houston will be fine. Philly is the only team who suffers
Hell no they didn’t. They traded they best asset that was Jarrett Allen
@@blablablaa14they got green,Jabari, and Thomson so yeah they won trade because they became bad fast which led them to get these players and one of them might become a superstar.
As a diehard Philadelphia fan. I’m just glad I have a month of watching the Phillies and Eagles before I have to start watching this firestorm of a team again
Hi the next process has to work, they can't screw it up twice
I mean bryce harper Is a goat but hurts is overrated
Well on the flipside, Tyrese Maxey should have the green light to become the superstar we believe he can be.
At least you have some actually competent good teams to watch even though I do think the Phillies pitching staff is going to hold them back from making a run like they did last year but obviously the Eagles are probably the best team in the NFL on paper and should have probably won the Super Bowl ngl lol
@@JohnJohnson-vi4ev he seems to be the only star on the team who actually cares about winning and not about drama I’m not going to lie and say I know much about him but I know he has a really good young player who seems to just play ball and not cause any shit unlike his two star teammates
The funniest thing about this is if the 76ers signed jimmy butler back instead of Tobias Harris all this would have been avoided lmao
Even better if they picked Tatum instead of foultz
Should’ve re signed Jimmy and Reddick, let Tobi go, and traded Simmons when he had more value. They really handled the 2019 offseason so horribly. Even though Morey’s been fucking up with the Harden situation, he was able to make the best out of a poorly constructed roster
Put that on Doc Rivers. Harris ain’t been good since the Clippers (with Doc Rivers).
@@joelblanco1800and Jokic instead of Embiid, Brandon Ingram instead of Ben
@@chrilpybffr nobody knew Jokic would be him and embiid isn’t too far off
I loved Harden's game in his first season with the Nets, so sad how it eventually turned out for the Nets. Feels like it's even worse for Philly.
Yeah I'm actually glad this is happening, since I don't think Philly should ever have been able to get such good value out of Simmons.
Is it good value? Harden was doomed to fail from the very beginning. The predictability of Harden being bad in the playoffs and then asking out disgruntled could have been seen by anyone with a brain. Maybe if they don't trade for Harden, Embiid doesn't leave next off season to the Knicks. They may have traded for negative value even when you talking about Ben Simmons. This is especially true because they had another trade they agreed on...Ben Simmons for Tyrese Haliburton. They choose to trade for Harden instead. No Harden might mean Embiid and the best young PG in the league, but Morey went for Harden
He meant hypothetically , it was good value technically even tho I agree with ur thesis
@@blablablaa14yea fr I always expected miluwakee, boston, miami to make the finals. Never philly
@@blablablaa14I've never read a legit piece of writing that Indiana would trade their beloved haliburton and their future for simmons
Haliburton talked about it on the Podcast P podcast. He said that he was basically told he is getting traded. But I don't think it was from the Pacers, it was from the Kings I think. Which wouldn't be that crazy to believe. Also I believe Haliburton@@jsports2665
The real win was each team not having to deal with the headache that each respective player caused. Of course, the downside was then having to deal with the headache that the _other_ player caused.
I’m glad someone is finally saying it, people acting like Morey is a wizard for swapping Ben for Harden as if they didn’t give up 2 1sts, only person who could win that trade now is Brooklyn
Brooklyn already lost the trade too. They've been swept in the first round every year Ben was on the team. And there's no evidence that he will be more than what he is now next season.
For the nets, I would be worried about the negative impact Simmons could be having on the organization because of his mentality. At least with Philly they ran it back and got rid of a cancer that would've affected other players and throw a wrench into their team mentality. Both teams were going to lose regardless, but I would say that the Nets lost harder as they can't get rid of the apathy cancer that is Ben Simmons (in sports apathy is a negative overall cause it also impacts other players).
Every 😅 F
whether ben ends up playing better or not i always thought the nets won the trade, but this harden situation cements it because on top of getting nothing by losing harden they also look like a terrible org to play for
But some of us did see this coming and said so! That Philly and the Nets were just swapping quitters. And we got yelled at for saying it. I don't understand how you can trade for a problematic quitter and then be genuinely surprised when he becomes problematic and quits. How? This is like putting on a blindfold and being genuinely surprised when you walk into a wall.
That's just shitty internet culture nowadays. Legit criticism is just labeled as hating.
I knew simmons would quit but Harden quitting this fast actually surprised me a little.
simmons got hurt so he didn't quit but harden on the other hand did.@@frostedhams
@@frostedhamshow can u be surprised when u seen how fast he quit on the nets?
@@trvspvrkI mean you have to look at the context, he was with the rockets for like 8 seasons, wasn’t able to win and wanted a trade. Kind of shitty but that’s not abnormal, in Brooklyn, Kyrie was on some bullshit and not playing. Him leaving that situation makes sense. And if the reports are true that the GM promised him a bigger contract if he took a smaller one for the team, then he has a right to be angry. He generally isn’t quitting for no or small reasons.
As a Cavs fan
The Cavs won the Harden trade
We gave up a bag of chips and got Jarrett Allen in a deal that basically had nothing to do with us lmao
I'm starting to think players should be banned from the NBA if they refuse to play for the team that has their contract lol
shut up
That might have severe negative repercussions for the league tbh
@@zotanica not really. unless these guys go to Saudi Arabia, they aint getting $300 million contracts
@@zotanicaSuch as what? Not enough players are going to side with a player who signed a deal of their own will against the owners.
They should at the very least not get paid for the games they miss.
I remember when this was a win win trade
I'm a Borussia Dortmund Fan. Different sport but hear me out: We lose our best 1-4 players each year because they're becoming Superstars and we can't pay them accordingly...not in these wild times at least. So yeah that sucks, but ever since we lost Dembele and Aubameyang to bad character and laziness, back to back more or less...even though we made a lot of profit each time, that hurt. You don't come here, make a name for yourself in OUR colors and with OUR support and then do us like that. We told every player since: Be professional and we will, too. Be a dick and we'll sell you to Arsenal where you'll be rich but futile and end your prime TODAY. Worked so far, Haaland and Bellingham gave us everything they had and are now ELITE and can demand anything. So Philly...be tough on ONE and the rest won't dare or at least think twice.
If you can refuse to make James Harden an FA to hurt his career, do it. What is really going to give you in return for ALL THE DRAMA? Or let him earn the maximum 5M in China and see how that works for him with surveillance and all that on top😅
Yeah but Dortmund is a trust worthy organization.
Philly ain't.
@@shadow_realm47 can't believe i got an answer to that ^^
I'm afraid you're right
Borussia is my favourite german team, coming from a Benfica fan
Just think about what history could've been if Harden re-signed in OKC.
They still would have flopped
As in Oklahoma City fan, obviously having him there for those years that he was in Houston would’ve helped, but at the same time, knowing what he has become now a part of me is glad we didn’t could we have won a championship? Yeah probably but everything has worked out for us. Now we if everything works out are going to be a dominant team for the next decade, so I have nothing to complain about. Really
Honestly this guy cracks me up, he's always so quick to jump to "see my team didn't mes it up that badly" or "see, my team did the right thing."
I could give two shits less about the nets and I agree with him. They have some draft capital they have a young budding superstar a very solid roster. Like right now they are probably a slightly below 500 to 500 team which is not bad at all when you start a rebuild
Man i hope James Harden starts playing MVP level again, that would be hilarious.
Simmons was the only guy who won. He gets to be in NY while not having the media spotlight on him since he’s in NY’s B team. He still gets paid his millions to not play basketball and he got a good amount of the money back from the Sixers’ settlement.
Meanwhile the Nets are stuck with the worst contract in the NBA and basically had to trade KD away after they traded Kyrie, Harden lost out on millions and his best chance at a ring, and the Sixers are in a tough spot with the Harden situation
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I feel like Ben Simmons, ironically, will become very good again this year and work perfectly as a minimal role in the Nets and people will start saying Nets won the trade
Only if someone like Michael Jordan goes in there and slaps him around.
Nah I think he knows if he doesn't do it this season after next season when his contract is up, he is done with basketball. If he just plays decent for 2 years he gets so much money. Its worth it to not be terrible. He wont be an All Star, but not terrible anymore. Nets have zero pressure its such an easy place to play now@@jaysonraphaelmurdock8812
I heard that Simmons was injured all of last year.
@@rapgodreloaded9259bro had back surgery, you can't rlly fake that.
Jimmy Butler...Ben Simmons...James Harden...why are everyone trying to get the hell outta Philly...
Brooklyn got a squad and Simmons is finally healthy. They won the trade. Especially if Hardens situation leads to Sixers having to move Embiid.
I doubt Simmons will even play to be honest. At least they got 2 first round picks out of the deal.
His timing is so awesome. NBAPA agrees to give Teams leverage in strike situations. Harden pulls player option, then demands trade, can't understand why offers are bad, craps on team willing to pay him, burns bridges. Goes to China for PR, praises China, China releases terrible economic data, Harden puts everything on Red.
China has a maximum salary of 5M for foreign players, tanking housing market and >25% youth unemployment.
Good series of calls, James.
As a sixer fan, im ready to blow it up. A lot of our fans dont wanna admit it, and i dont blame them after suffering through the tanking years for this, but, we're closer to a rebuild than a chip. Embiid is at peak value, get a massive haul, get what ya can for harden, trade PJ and Kork, let harris come off the books and keep maxey n reed and have a massive war chest for next off season. We would have a ton of picks to flip plus enough money for 3 max players. Its time to do it.
I agree I can tell that Embiid is going to be a cancer himself soon, so I think it’s a good idea to capitalize on his value. He is 30 years old and could get severely injured at any point. He just won an MVP that he shouldn’t have to be fair, but still his value will never be this high again trade him get whatever scraps you can get for harden and the other vets and build the team around Tyrese Maxey. It sucks to rebuild. I’m an Oklahoma City fan so I don’t exactly have the right to say anything given we have done probably the best rebuild in NBA history but you have to realize when it’s over don’t become Portland and realize it too late.
@@sadmarinersfan8935draft picks don't equal chips. OKC could be a success but it is not the best rebuild ever lmao
God damn, they could of got Haliburton. What a fumble. You can say he hadn’t been an allstar yet, but it was pretty obvious he was going to be real good. It was his second year and he was averaging 15 and 8.
He was never gonna be traded for simmons that's all speculative garbage
That could have been crazy.
Rockets fan here😎 🚀 loving all of this
Jaylen Brown your next video mo Sporting Logically 😤😤😤
It's pretty funny how this trade was hailed as the ultimate win-win and has now turned into a lose-lose while one of the Sabonis-Haliburton trade was mocked as a ridiculously one sided deal has turned into the actual perfect win-win
All Ben Simmons has to do next season is put out 16-8-8 plus all defensive consideration to close the case at the age of 27. 76ers about explode like the Nets too.😊
Man, it's beyond comprehension how players can sign a contract of millions to play ball, refuse to play and that's it, teams must figure it out... They should not get a single penny more and have their contract suspended, so they can't play anywhere else until traded or back in court.
It’s baffling. The whole purpose of the contract is legal obligation. Don’t play, don’t get paid. How is it not that simple?
All would’ve been fine if they drafted Tatum instead of Fultz
Nets won, the way it turned out. Got a good Philly pick. Then it led to KD wanting out where they got some of the best future picks in the league PLUS Bridges who could be flipped for 2-3 MORE picks if they wanted to instead of keeping KD who is very much declining and even at his peak couldn’t lead a team to a title.
Wow this was a great take
You’re logical for the nets thing was wrong, kyrie wanted a contract and got mad the FO didn’t give one he wanted, so he request a trade than followed KD, nothing had to do with Ben
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Nets won the trade ben simmons is healthy and we have a deep team
I can really relate to harden and simmons. I also use to act like a child but then again I was a child
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This is what happens when media be over rating guys like crazy to try and up ratings
Us, the spectators, are the true winners out of all of this.
And Philly did this to themselves because the kings offered Haliburton Hield AND Picks for Simmons.
As a Philly fan. Of course i expected Harden to do the same thing as Simmons. He did it in Houston and would've done it in Brooklyn had that trade not gone thru
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2 players refusing to play for the same team makes me wonder if there is something wrong with the team, not just the players. If an organization isn't good, it could happen again. If the organization isn't good, I would think they would be more likely to pick up the kinds of players that refuse to play for their teams.
they didn't foster a winning culture with the whole process thing, embiid is not the player to build around too imo. Also sixers fan have been known to be toxic
This is Harden's third time doing this. Simmons also hasn't really played much for the Nets. I think it's the players.
@@duyanhng8430There's literally 1 player left from the "process" years. And as soon as he started playing for the team, they were in the playoff hunt. Stop blaming the process years for this mess.
In my opinions, The Rockets won this trade because they can retool their rosters and their future is bright with all those Nets future picks. The Nets are loser in this deal because they did the same b.s. they did a decade ago trading all their picks for aging players. They are back to square one all over again with barely no picks. The Nets can't tank because the Rockets are in controls for the next couples years
Nets have 11 first round picks. They got 4 first plus pick swaps from Phoenix. They got 2 first from Philadelphia and a first from Dallas.
Philadelphia lost the series to Atlanta and lost a lot of scoring from Ben Simmons couldn't be more open minded to missing more open shots in the entire game, Tyrese Haliburton should be an option to played with Maxey and Hield!
Phila should have known better, how did they not see what they were getting into is beyond me
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He’s got superpowers he’s no ordinary kid
Embid: Man, I just can't catch a break.
Ive been sayin this would happen for years as a biter rockets fan lol
The Kawhi shot destroyed the 76ers franchise and it's hilarious
Philly would be in a good place if their two stars thought they were good enough to win. Makes no sense making excuses while having a competent starting five and being located in a big market. Can't see Jokic ever plea to the media that he and Murray need more help, especially laughable considering Embiid has been claiming he deserved the MVP for two straight years above Jokic.
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Harden and Embid disappeared when they needed to show up the most. That game 1 doesn't give Harden a pass for the rest of the series.
James led the league in assists, put up better numbers than Simmons could ever dream of, Ben sat out the entire year (basically)…… Harden had a legit chance at the ECF if Embiid doesn’t tear his knee again while ben watched as his team got swept ….. cmon now ladies
I might be way off here, but I think this is a big test for Embiid as a leader. Now that he is MVP, he should be looking for a way to take charge of the 76ers locker room & culture. B2B second options derailing team chemistry and wasting multiple of his prime seasons is not a good look.
Sixers at least got something out of Harden before this
Ben Simmons' bank account won the trade
Glad the Celtics didn’t bite on the Simmons fiasco
I don’t even see where Harden goes from Phily, LAC maybe but even there it’s not an ideal fit
Seems like hardens gon a stay and embid got a least on more season it’s definitely possible for them to have a good season if they play well
So far, no one won the trade.
Unless Ben Simmons somehow returns to his All-Star form and take the Nets to the playoffs, both teams lost the trade.
The Nets lost Josh Allen and Levert in that trade which put Cleveland in contention again. Not many talk about that
Thats a great thumbnail
As a Celtics fan hahahaha love too see it
Daryl Morey must be a real piece of work. Embiid may request a trade too soon if the rumours are to be believed.
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Guys who demand a trade from one team are far more likely to demand a trade from their new team.
76ers clear books after this year. No tobias or harden contract. I think Minn will trade for Harden , A harden and edwards combo could be best guard dynamic. Add in Towns and defence of gobert.
Philly will trade Harden for Zion and history will keep repeating itself.
According to Harden himself, the "liar" thing is STRICTLY a reference to Philly not trading him this offseason, and has nothing to do with any handshake agreement about a max contract offer.
Well yeah, he's not going to admit to an illegal arrangement.
its not so crazy that harden quit on the 6ers. it's Harden. I'm amazed it worked as well as it did. trading for Harden is a guarantee to be an L
Always a risk given harden
Harden is over the hill. Simmons still has time potential. Brooklyn won the trade!
Well at least they got more out of Harden than they would have got out of Simmons.
Bench "resting-Ben face" "Has-Ben" Simmons is about to blow up and average 1 3-pointer a game.
The king cometh!
As much as I do criticize Daryl Morey for the situation. No, we did not lose the Ben trade. Simply because, we as a fanbase were never going to accept him back no matter what. His Mediocrity lost any sort of sympathy or support, the moment the dunk that didn't happen, happened. What Joel needs are guys who can spread the floor and shoot, Ben does neither of these things and adds such a detriment to an organization, that to this day we feel the ripple effects of having drafted him in the first place.
And then secondly, I don't 'blame' Daryl for the situation, because 200% of the blame goes to James Harden. This is a Latrell Sprewell/Terrell Owens situation. The guy's getting paid 35 million dollars to play basketball, and if he plays at a high level he may very well get that max contract from Philadelphia or somewhere else.
But he's being destructive again, he's sacrificing people around him again. If you do something 3 times, that's who you are. James Harden is now a basketball cancer to an organization and that's why a trade hasn't facilitated. And it seems like you're letting James off the hook for being the catalyst of this situation.
Not really surprising when everyone in the trade was overvalued like crazy
When is a team going call Harbums bluff and just let his career rot on the bench.
the lesson here is cancer ruins everything it touches
Maybe its Joel Embiid thats the problem
First
Overrated
Second
Injury prone
Third
Not a winner
I think the Sixers won the trade. I can't look at this trade 2 seasons later and extend the optics to say one team wins or loses. If you look at when the last two seasons, Harden has been more valuable than Simmons. And now the Sixers about to have a ton of cap space next season, with Embiid and Maxey as their core, and still able to compete for a championship. The Nets current construction and position for the future is more about their KD and Irving trades rather than the Harden-Simmons trade. If the Sixers go on to win a championship without Harden on their team, and let say they aren't able to trade him for tradeable assets, we can't say the Sixers won the trade at that point, it's too far removed from the trade.
Anyone who thinks that the 76ers had a chance against Miami is legit insane. They would have been crushed. Hell, they quit against the Celtics, just imagine facing the Heat
You're missing the point, 76ers were actually pretty stable prior to Daryl Morey coming along. Then you have all stars requesting trades and refusing to play, sacked coaches, everyone throwing everyone under the bus, now you're gonna lose the MVP, and the only thing left for Morey to screw up is Tyrese Maxey! Replace Morey or remain a disaster!
You really trying to tell me that a Guy who forced his way out of Htown and then forced his way out of NJ is trying to force his way out of Philly and you are surprised!!!? Come on man. James Hardens CAREER is full out when his team had a chance and could not finish it off.
By Christmas we will all be saying the Nets won the trade. Ben was obviously dealing with injuries last year. This year he’ll get back to All Star form.
An all star that bricks point blank lay ups 😂, he a write off
@@pranovsaluja8067 you’re so obviously a casual🤣 keep hating if you want
Classic nets apologist 😂😂
Imagine if the sixers would’ve just waited & held on to Ben Simmons and traded him for Dame who now wants to leave Portland wow and Ben still had multiple yrs left on his deal so for the time being either Ben plays until a trade become available or just sit at home either way Philadelphia had all the leverage. Now look harden wants out as well.
If nets paid Dinwiddie 1st time harden stays. Got pissed he needed to carry such a heavy load with kyrie N/A and KD injured. All Dinwiddie wanted was 5 more mil per year at 2 more years. Was justified since he was staying as a role player and emergency depth. Nets still won harden-simmons trade though. They got a couple of picks
It could have worked... as a Nets fan...I understand the sentiment well!
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Seth curry plays for Dallas on a minimum contract in dallas. His 3 percent is below after injury.
We should never accept being good or bad. We WERE good or bad. Coach probably accepted he's a good coach. Simmons accepted he's just a good player. Now he's simply accepted he's not a good player. He's just blue pill in the matrix, letting the world dictate the future
If Philly beats Boston & send the Celtics home in the 2nd round, is Boston's front office having 2nd thoughts when giving Jalen Brown $304mil supermax? Coulda been a much different offseason.
If if if
Yet this was considered a win-win trade at the time.
Nothing Harden has done is phily during the playoff is nowhere nearly as bad as how Ben Simmons stunk it up.
Its better to have a guy that averages 15 ppg then a guy who goes off for 30. Then 3 8 point games
I've said in the beginning and didn't anyone say that but me, don't flip flop now .
My question is...why are stars quitting on the 6ers...
Nets haven’t lost the trade yet (I love Ben Simmons and I am coping so hard)
Philly won the deal, at first. At this point, there are no winners. If anything, this may be the beginning of the end of competitive basketball in Philly. I HATED the "process" and thought it was just pathetic, but it lead to SOMETHING. The Sixers just screwed up along the way with coaching, front office moves, etc.
Philly may have to bite the bullet and trade Harden for a bag of chips and some picks and let Embid figure it out. When that fails, they will have to trade him and the process will begin again.
Nets won that trade
Seth drumm and picks and maybe you get old ben this szn
I mesn harden dont want to ball for sixers
“That will never happen again”… until the 76ers trade harden for Kyrie in a few months when Dallas blows up
I don't mind a 1 year rental of James Harden to help Jimmy win a ring if Heat can't land Dame.
I think very few NBA players can handle "Heat Culture" - let alone Harden. I would be delighted to see Jimmy win a ring though. If there is any way, Miami could get Embiid - that would be fantastic
The Philadelphia 76ers have been scammed by Ben Simmons and now James Harden. Wasted money and draft picks to get or keep spoil
troublemaker superstars.
If this keeps up the NBA will be destroyed.
If you believe that Harden is a solution to anything, you deserve what you get.
76ers had the chance to get Tyrese Haliburton 🤦🏾♂️
We both lost the trade. Both teams are gonna end up rebuilding
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