If the matchmaking system in Warzone would prioritize my connection/ping then I would have no problem with SBMM. The reason why SBMM is so frustrating for me personally is that it completely ruins my gameplay experience because of the horrible ping I get. And don't even get me started on the packet burst/loss
@@acev3521 Do vpns still work on Warzone? Because tbh I just want to make sure that my connection is within my local servers instead connecting me to EU servers
My friends dont want to play with me anymore. They ragequit after 4-5 rounds. So i play alone, so they can have good time in easyer lobbys. Really not the game i wanna support anymore, after all these years. played COD since 2005.
Totally agree. I have a good KD (3+) and all my mates are average. They dont want to play with me anymore. They get destroyed in every gunfight, then I'm left in a 1v3 against players of my own skill level. Boring.
This is so wholesome. I would love to play in a lobby like this from time to time, not even to win, just to actually have fun and do goofy shit like you were doing in the gulag.
LMAO I actually use a Melee weapon only sometimes just for fun 1.6KD lobbies... and the lobbies are nothing like Ghost of Caldera or TKOs. They are 100% boosting the IQ out of the lobbies.
Those "players" running in circles are probably the "pros" getting the k/d lowered so they can have the bottom .1% lobbies ready when they start streaming.
I am still of the strong opinion that no SBMM leads to greater Equalization in the long run and leads to more player improvement instead of being locked into your own skill group forever.
@linkedsnake6021 i disagree to an extent if you actively practice playing and improving you'll never be stuck you'll just feel stuck but test your skills in ranked, I think climbing the hidden mmr ladder on normals just has no appeal they shouldn't hide it
They live at the right place for the amazing lobbies. They don't get them all the time, what you watch on youtube are cherrypicked matches from 8+ hours of gaming.
@@Manakuskiabsolutely! Spent a lot of time on Nukesquad Twitch lately and like his lobbies are usually hell, but maybe one in ten games looks like a bot lobby .
I agree with your point at 16:30 wholeheartedly. My problem with SBMM is then sole fact that when I'm playing multiplayer, the game puts these kinds of players on my team and places me against players like me, expecting me to carry, and then my team ends up leaving the game because they're not having fun. I wouldn't have a problem at all if everyone in the lobby was the same skill level, but that's just not what happens.
This. MP SBMM actively gives me no less 2 people that will at minimal double negative every game. Also if you manage to get a killstreak, the good teams leave. But your teammates (bad) will stay and just get slammed. If they leave, it will fill with more bad teammates. I've been doing some tests myself and in lower skill lobbies you can get 3-4 chopper gunners in a row and just roll over them without them even shooting at it. Get a chopper in my normal lobby and the whole other team one mags it, or leaves if they die twice to it. There's no point in even using the streaks. In 10v10 on MW3 whenever I would be in a lobby easy enough to get big streaks, you could hear teammate or death comms saying "what is that sound" about a swarm or gunship because they just encounter it.
Exactly, it’s not SBMM at all they don’t put you w players of your same level it’s a complete farce and tactical Brit acting like he doesn’t know that is completely comical and condescending. Sometimes I think he’s a little shill.
Watching Ace’s recent vid about skill ratings is kinda insane to think about after reading this comment. He mentioned that his skill rating went up after games he performed “poorly” in, and while they don’t outright tell you why, he’s under the assumption that it’s because despite him performing poorly, he still performed “better” than the game expected him to. This game literally takes every single little thing into account, sets you up for failure and rewards you with more migraine inducing lobbies for beating THEIR odds. It’s literal punishment for just simply being not bad at the game. Also I 100% get what you’re saying. It’s almost every game for me too where my team gets in my way, is AFK, can’t aim, or just have zero game sense. Meanwhile the entire enemy team is perfectly coordinated and is able to set us up in a spawn trap within the first 15 seconds of the match. Shit is ridiculous.
i just wish the lobbies were ping based. Imagine a world where every warzone match is a medley of good, bad and average players. A true, organic sandbox experience. Sometimes you’d come across YY sweats and sometimes you’d come across really wholesome, organic interactions between less serious players. Sometimes you’d end up against a few sweaty squads and have to play really hard to win, and sometimes you’d get nicer, softer lobbies where you realise you can relax, have some fun, maybe use an off meta loadout etc. That’s what BRs are meant to be imo. A big open world, pvp sandbox. But instead, those of us with 2+ KD ratios are forced into playing our asses off just to get 1-2 kills per game. Maybe get the occasional 10 kill game if we’re lucky and really zoned in.
In practice the distribution would be different - i.e. at least one sweat in every lobby - simply because sweats play more often. If you’ve got a queue of 1200 players, and 120 of them are sweats, should you make 100 lobbies with 1 sweat in each of them? Or should you make 10 lobbies filled with sweats and then 90 lobbies with more average players? Why should casuals get matched with casuals, but sweats shouldn’t get matched with sweats?
@@brotatobrosaurus5411 Because "sweats" wouldn't exist to the same extent without SBMM. Look at other sandbox games like Battlefield. Theyve existed for years with no sbmm, and up to 128 players per match at times. Those games are WAY more casual than warzone, because there is no SBMM environment to force people into using "sweaty" tactics to gain an edge.
@@brotatobrosaurus5411 That's not how distribution works. You would get variance. That's why I used the word "organic". The only way you would get 1 sweat in every lobby would be if it were artificially matchmade. On AVERAGE you would get 1 sweat per lobby, but you would also get many games with 2-3 sweats, and many games with 0.
@@bushmonster1702 players should just ask for Hostable servers the community can set up and then leave it to the community to bring the player base together on finding a better middle ground, plus the game suffers from no game modes keeping casuals engaged with the game. They had this in OG Cod MW4 and it was awesome then MW2 came out and removed it for a p2p connection not was meh at best. internet back in the day was ass, everyone was hoping they would be host.
@@435.63 I agree. While it would probably be fun, for someone like me who is trash at BR games, to get in and get a few kills, I'd probably get bored eventually. My issue in BR games is positioning and having anxiety at the fact I could get shot from anywhere so I play with very little confidence compared to playing regular MP. WZ looks like it's fun and I should probably give myself the time and patience to actually learn how to play it properly
They do have the custom wz games you can host. Get together with others through a forum and create a fun game mode lol put rules online and just kick anyone being silly
I am a 1.2 KD player. SBMM doesn't bother me so much. Getting outplayed is how you learn. What bothers me is how obfuscated the settings can be to find, understand, and apply. But even that isn't a deal breaker. What is... the cheating. Ricochet just isn't getting the job done. How many lobbies have you been in where the level 20 guy is the top guy in the game? You know what I am talking about... when they go 60 and 14 in an MP games or like 28 and 3 in on Rebirth. Maybe there are just thousands of people who have played the game for a week and are just 10x better than the rest of us. Of the 3 other guys I play with... only one has purchased B06. He bought it for the zombies. The rest of us are trying to justify paying hard earned money for something that is plagued with hackers. You can't go back to back games without running into at least one highly suss team. Beat me in a gun fight, cool, I'll get you next time. But that isn't what is happening. There will always be hackers... but there was a time when they were a rarity. Now, they are a game feature. Why pay for that?
just get it off of gamepass like how everyone should, you would pay $120 over the course of a year, but be real you wont play for more then 5 months and then also have access to thousands of other and honestly better games to play
I used to love just getting drunk in MW2, intentionally tanking my SBMM by playing badly, hanging out in team voice chat with a lot of really chill people... It was fun
I'm more of an MP player, less so Warzone and I agree that SBMM should exist however what frustrates me the most is when i'm put with players who simply aren't on my skill level and am expected to carry them against an actual balanced team, completely ruins the experience for me.
It wouldn't be so bad if it wasn't so aggressive, it should be a gradual slope instead of a sharp one. It's not fun when it matches you against a bunch of very low skill players just to then match you against pro leagues because you mopped the floor previously. In the last week I've had only one game I considered fun and that was because everyone in the lobby for once was actually the same skill level.
@@Sekiberius24 I would welcome playing balanced teams if my team was the same but when i'm being matched against multiple parties and my team mates have no thumbs it's just not fun.
My issue as well. If it's going to be CDL, let's play CDL with CDL teammates. Always having the people getting slammed on your team sucks, and half the time you can tell just by the names or levels before the game even starts.
I used to stay pissed about this. Now, when I notice that my team is the reason we're gonna get mopped, I just set a random goal for myself and basically "play alone". I think to myself, "Well, I need headshots on this terrible gun I hate. Let me see if I can get 1 or 2 or 5 more for this camo challenge." Or, "My aim/use of cover sucks right now. Let me try focusing on that." My team loses, but I got better in at least 1 way instead of leaving the match mad at the world.
Back in advanced warfare (when they first introduced sbmm), i tried a reversed boosted account. Literally was getting DNA bombs every game. The players were worse than private match bots on recruit.
I often play at 5-6am, and I dont get bot lobbies, or maybe I do, but most notably I just get massively bad ping where its just technically hard to play.
The cheating and the team balancing part of sbmm in multiplayer drives me crazy full team of ppl my level on the other team and then it’s me and 4 complete bots and one other half decent guy if I’m lucky but probably just me and 5 bots it’s Annoying
None of us that play the game at a Iridescent+ level would have EVER become even more borderline decent, had as much fun doing so, and gotten that satisfaction of improvement as a player IF we had SBMM back in the day. I used to get destroyed in COD4, so I put in the time to get better and better, over the years developing those "CoD senses" if you will. It felt great and then being in lobbies with lower skill players meant I'd be passing those skills onto them as they realized what I was doing and we ALL IMPROVED together. The newest generations of CoD players...they will never leave the lower tier SBMM lobbies, other than if they get clowned by the system and put onto a higher SBMM team to get mauled due to the way SBMM works in MP and Warzone in non-filled squads (to make the game harder, it'll dump one or two really low SBMM players against the Iri+ other team...to balance the team SBMM scores). I feel awful for those newer players. They'll never get to improve. They'll never get that rush that comes with realizing you are getting better. Which means multiplayer gaming isn't a competitive outlet for them, so what's the point ie. they'll just quit and not play as much since it's not something they'll get invested in like we did back in the day. They'll go and play co-op or singleplayer instead. SBMM IS THE REASON CoD's player number tank after one month EVERY SINGLE GAME.
nobody is gonna read that sh. 1) stop playing CoD. it's dead and over 2) SBMM isn't designed to improve your skill, it's to keep you on the game to buy MTX 3) stop buying MTX 4) dissuade all your friends from buying MTX
This. I started MW3 at the age of 10/11, it was pure chaos, I was no where near the skill level of the average player, but the thrill of becoming that guy at the top of the leaderboard stomping on everybody drove me to play more and more and made me the player I am today. Pressure makes diamonds, not throwing all the newbies in a friendly farm where nothing is actually challenging and vice versa. I recently tried 2 boxxing out of curiosity, and being able to actually operate the movement effectively, go on killstreaks etc, then get into the next match against another 2boxxer and carry over that confidence into a much harder fight felt EXACTLY like COD used to feel like. I don't understand why lobbies can't be mixed still. Couple good, couple average, couple that are terrible. I was once part of the terrible, then I started landing mid leaderboards and felt caught up with the average, and eventually levelled myself to a player who could land top leaderboards. Completely agree with your point and unfortunately I don't think we'll experience this again due to profit margins and "the dataaaaa"
Honestly every game that didn’t have SBMM actually had better longevity. There’s actually another FPS game called Combat Master that lets choose which style of play and you go according to said groups that also choose that play style. Then there’s a more simplistic play style mode you can choose and it’ll group you with people who also play that way. No settings needed to change. Just learn and adapt to each play style. COD needs to take notes.
Lobbies this low aren't just low skill players, this is actually severe SBMM for "protected" lobbies. These are lobbies for people with disabilities, not using traditional input devices. Like that one dude that plays by blowing in straws.
Not only those, we talking poor cities in third world countries that play with office/school pc's, very old laptops with severe lag and 30 fps the most.
I feel they either split the match making to casual (no SBMM) playlist and Ranked playlist, or implement these two into one playlist which we have now BUT, give actual ranks or point rating system.
Most of the bots lobbies are little kids who've never used a controller before, or people with disabilities. Tbh, SBMM is good for them. Unfortunately, they are a very small minority, and SBMM being applied to everyone really doesn't work.
It actually works in the exact same way that it benefits brand new players and kids. Should someone with a 1KD be in a lobby where everyone else is a 1.8+? They will get shit on. It’s proportionate
So here is the situation I often find myself in. I play with buddies that are less skilled than me and we have fun for a bit goofing off but then after a while we are teetering on having fun with each other and doing well in game. You gotta have both. They get rolled often and me and another guy are the ones even making the game close. Often times they hop off and make a new lobby and play without me and they say there is a MAJOR difference. So I wind up hoping off. So how is this “engagement optimization” helping me continue playing? I just want to play and have fun with my buddies not force them into CDL wannabe lobbies…
@@macwiley9846 it's annoying that it essentially causes friend groups to have to split in game, but you must realise it has to be this way. If you go into "their" lobbies, then you're the guy with 20 kills when everyone else has 5. Now you have 11 people not having fun, yes that includes your own teammates, and they all hate you. I mean no offence, but high skilled players have no idea how much they ruin the fun for the rest of us. So listening to them constantly whine about SBMM, which essentially forces them to experience exactly what they want to make everyone else experience, gets really really tiresome.
@@Tom-Mc70 it would make no difference. We've all been in these lobbies. Maybe there is a top fragger per team. So each team has a guy on 20 kills, everyone else on 5. 10 guys hate you now rather than 11. It's fucking boring for normal people who can't compete. End of.
It's not your fault, you might just be good or you spend too much time playing it, but you've played yourself out of being casual. For you "relaxing" equals shitting on people below your skill level. It's as simple as that.
I just play my Lobbies are everywhere is people jumping sliding no scope snipes weird back jumps flying around! Also as soon as you peak beaming from 100m its so stressful to play 😅
That’s cause you’re not. This game counts assists as eliminations, so your statistics don’t show your real KD, they show your KDA. At a 1.4 elimination/death ratio, you are probably closer to a 1.0 KD.
Recently I’ve been watching sally is a dog vid and everyone in his lobby was No higher then lvl 45 and he is like a 6th prestige. Not saying prestige equals skill into the game but it was just odd I thought.
I literally have like a 0.1 KD on this new resurgence map, I played with six crimsons yesterday (that I could see) why the hell can't I get into these games. Like clearly I'm not a no-lifer anymore, I just want to have fking fun. Haven't had fun in Warzone or cod in almost 2 years now
@acev3521 why? What would that solve, I'll have has png then if I play around the world trying to find a easier match Im a casual player, I'm not trying to put a lot of effort into finding a match
I feel like your opinion is biased. You feel like SBMM is justified, but that's because COD is your job. You get to play all morning, in softer lobbies and get some relief from the absolute SWEAT FEST that is 5pm+ lobbies (when you have a 3KD). You get respite. Those of us who work all day long, come home from work and want to play for an hour or 2, but just so happen to be skilled players, we are the ones who get the BRUNT of sbmm. Not all of us "high skill" players get to play all day long. Some of us still have jobs and lives and want to enjoy the game, but just because i am decent at the game (3.5KD) means I get punished. I cant play with my mates because they have 1.0KDs and they get RUINED in my lobbies.
@@253MC Interestingly enough, if you read activations white paper on their match making these systems are designed to increase the retention of a player exactly like you. From their tests and research which you can read if you google “call of duty match making white paper” when turning off any kind of match making algorithm the only player group that DIDNT loose retention is the top 1% All this to say these match making algorithms are the most beneficial statically to your exact player type, which, makes sense as they will generate the most money for the publisher.
This is exactly how I feel and it's been. I've been between a 2.0 kdr and a 3.5kdr since about bo2 onward and I struggle the last 5 years. I still get to 2.0 but I shouldn't have to absolutely abuse every single broken thing about the game to get that
Same. My WZ squad has entirely more fun without me. I keep telling them it will get better. But with EOMM or whatever we are going to call it, it's an abusive relationship at very best.
One of the problems is that when slicing off “top” players for highest skilled lobbies, a new bell curve is formed. And so there are populations of players who are the worst best players, and are left to a fairly hopeless grind. Old FPS games were not like that.
I’d appreciate getting in these lobbies right now for a few games. Haven’t played since original WZ and I’m just trying to learn the basics but the lobbies feel pretty sweaty to me and it really does put me off wanting to play more.
I made a new account back in Caldera days, and it seems like you'll get an average lobby for your first game (SBMM quickly assesses your skill after just that one game). This lobby seemed like it was well below average though, and racking up multiple kills in a 3 or even 4 way gunfight was not just doable, but easy. I then realized how many Verdansk world records were against people with physical disabilities and such, considering that the Warzone Tracker site showed a big streamer's WR against a 0.3 - 0.4 average KD lobby. Closet cheaters, with actual hacks, don't even stoop this low to be honest. That seems like an absurd statement until you realize first hand what these 2-boxed lobbies are actually like, and to think that at least at one point many reasonably large/popular content creators were putting out their best content in these lobbies.
I’m sick of everyone playing like their lives depend on it . I can’t have a pint and play to relax anymore because you have to be on edge and fully awake because you game is gong to be short
8:52 if we assume SBMM isn’t present, one can assume a cheater a match at 120 player lobbies. If we add sbmm, cheaters would likely 2 box reverse boost, etc. cheaters are next to guaranteed a match, if not every other match. Your showing of encountering a cheater 11 or so out of 20 matches only takes into account what you saw out of those 100+ players. How do we know out of all those players, there wasn’t a cheater somewhere else in the world? It shows that the cheating problem is much, much worse that we’re all wanting to admit….
A nice easy lobby like tbis once or twice a day would help me get a few challenges done. Im never getting 10 kills in a row or xoming out top scorer of the match etc
got fuckin nauseous watching that bot run around staring at the ground instead of just looking away. maybe i should be in some of these bottom .1% lobbies
I have a 1.5kd in warzone. I play a ton. Now that I am freelancing I play maybe 10ish hours a day. I edit photos, Watch movies on Amazon, Netflix and play. I am ADHD and have to do multi things to keep my interest. My lobbies are easy in the morning and hard at night. For example in the last month I have had Rallied drop a nuke on me and a friend in Duos, I have gotten slapped by Metaphor like 4-5 times, have run into TheJDevise multi times, have run into Expel... etc Besides that I have been in lobbies with JoeWo, Iceman Issac, Stone Mountain, etc. Have run into JGod in multiplier. in MW2 and MW3 I was getting 20-30 ping per game. Now I am getting 40-100 ping in Solos. The most annoying thing is my bullets not registering. I used to have a core group of people I would play with. They had .50KD in warzone and would only play plunder. But now they just don't play anymore. I see the splatter on the guy but no plates are broken. Great video overall.
The logical entailment to be against SBMM is that you want to play against someone LESS SKILLED than yourself. Even though most people will make up other justifications and excuses, that is what you are demanding when you want SBMM gone, you want to play against worse players so you can feel better about your performance.
My issue with it is how harshly it punishes you for having a single good game. The way the cycle goes for me is as follows: I get stomped in a game, get like a .5 KD against omni movement pros. My next game I'm top of the leader board with a 3.4 KD, then for my next 6 or 7 games I get a .5 KD against movement gods. Then another game where I'm top of the leader board. That's simply not fun. I'd much rather it be every other game where I'm getting absolutely dominated. When it happens game after game after game you sorta just shut off your ability to learn from how they play and just rage instead. What I want is a more gradual increase in difficulty. If I have a really good game, I shouldn't be punished for half a dozen games after that. No one's skill increases that much after a single good game where they can compete with people who live and breath call of duty. The way it should work is you have an amazing game and your next one should be a little tougher, maybe instead of playing with .5 kd players you play with 1.0 kd players, if you're holding your own, bump it up to 1.2 kd players, if you're still holding your own then 1.5 kd players, and so on. Instead of a leap from .5 to 2.6 and then holding you at 2.6 until your stats tank enough for you to be put back in the lowest bracket of players where you inevitably dominate and then immediately get put back in with top 1% players again. Its just not fun this way.
My personal opinion is that Warzone, specifically, needs more casual friendly modes. I miss the 50 v 50 Clash modes and the Payload modes. They were dumbs and goofy, even the Armored Car BR mode with the cargo trucks and all that. Those were the modes I played when I didn't want to super sweat in the BR, and there's just nothing there except for Plunder. It's such a boring game now.
as a hardcore zombies only player, id like to play Warzone but have no idea where to begin, i mean i get its a last man standing battle royale, but how to get good and decent. Strategies and beginner tips for someone who has the basics down but is just starting WZ. Id love to see someone awesome at the game like you do a video like that
My question would be if you're a MP/Zombies only player hovering around a .85KD and then you decide to try Warzone out - is the lobby you're put in going to be based on that MP KD or is it going to put you in a lower tier lobby because you haven't played it yet?
I've tested this, you get put in the sweatiest lobbies known to man. I'm primarily a zombies player, the first MP I played since MW2 was warzone in this game. I stomped in the testing grounds version of warzone you are put into when you first load it up. Went like 12 and 0. Then played 15 games of warzone where I was lucky to get a single kill. In mw2 I hovered between .8 and 1.1 KD and in DMZ I slapped players around wiping out 4 man squads solo regularly. I think the big issue with warzone is the casual players have stopped playing it because of how sweaty the lobbies are so now unless your KD is absolutely trash you get put in with top 5% players every single game.
honestly back in bo1 ND BEFORE IDK HOW WE DID IT WITH LITTLE TO NO SBMM, THE FUN WE HAD I MEAN... THE RANDOMNESS OF WINNING I CANT IMAGINE WHAT ITS LIKE TO NOT HAVE SBMM.
this is what I've always been saying if SBMM didn't exist you would end up becoming that sweaty person in the lobby that would steamroll everybody even though to you yourself wouldnt think your try harding it would just be lower skilled players having to contest with someone of a higher skill even though you sit at a .8 and they are a .6
Ive never reverse boosted before.. over the past 2-3 years ive wanted to more and more. This years cod makes me want to reverse boost and 2box just to have “fun”. Im tired of sweating my ass off when my KD is only 1.35
Pro tip: forget about K/D the dopamine hit from W/L is better. Filter out everymode accept hard point and domination. Play the objective like a mad man. W/L goes up and fun happens again. Avoid TDM like the plague. TDM is so terrible, the game will just spawn players immediately behind you.
I love your video. In reference to Our KD's , not all say for example 1 Kd players are the same thanks to the SBMM. I am a 1.2 Kd player apparently but in reality I am a 0.5 Kd player when I play with very experienced 1.x kd friends in their lobbies . these friends had 1.5-2.5 kd in the original warzone back in the day we could see everyone's stats on 3rd party sites. I definitely had more fun with friends when the lobbies had more variety now it is just sweat .
My thoughts have always been that SBMM should exist, but only to protect the lowest skill players like the ones in this video. SBMM in pubs outside of the bottom of the barrel players should only exist to balance teams when a randomly selected pool of players is chosen. The only other time I could see justifying SBMM is to prevent stacks of pub stompers and cheaters from farming the middle tier players, but even then it shouldn’t be trying to basically pit all 2-4 KD players against each other all the time, especially if running into them happens as seldom as stated
This is a good way to approach this subject Here's a rant: Gaming and content creation is so poplar these days the people who are involved in both (creators & viewers) tend to forget that that's just 2 bubbles overlapping on them and that it's not the status-quo for everyone involved in either They think that if you game and it doesn't don't look like what they're used to, then it's wrong or that you have to be present in / capable of both (gaming and content creation) to deserve respect I've seen clips of a well-known & professional gaming content creator in which he just unloads a 3 minute wagon of shit on some guy who plays in ways that are typical for your average or casual gamer I've been on twitch since 2012 I could have sworn that toxic skill-shaming shit (on strangers, in particular) wouldn't fly back then and you'd be shamed in comments and thru screen-recs (before they had a clips feature)
I think it's good to play against people around your rank in a more serious ranked system. I play Fortnite Zero Build ranked and it feels like how the game did prior to Chapter 2; that is my preferred way to play the game. The SBMM in Fortnite fills the game with bots if you don't perform well. If I get to elite I'm playing against usually an equal percent of people above, below, and at my skill level. I believe the regular matchmaking is very similar but changes more often and uses bots judging by surveys I've received about matchmaking, but it doesn't feel like they ever change it based on feedback.
I don't quite understand the logic of "SBMM prevents you from improving", people say you improve by facing people who are better than you, but then people turn around and say SBMM makes them face sweats and forces them to try as hard as possible. If you play the same skill level you can definitely improve and do better than those people which will then cause SBMM to put you in even higher skilled lobbies. Wouldn't that help you improve? I am not gonna say its a good system but people have all sorts of conflicting opinions on it, I think the most valid criticisms with the system is the lack of connection priority, and inconsistency of skill level game to game. I agree connection should be prioritized, and I believe if they are going to match you with similar skilled players then it should be consistent.
So here's a kind of lopsided in a way example of why SBMM (imo) doesn't help you improve, last night my first match on since playing with a buddy of mine with a slightly lower KD who effectively put me in a slightly lower skill lobby boosted my KD so my first match on in 10v10 hardcore moshpit put me against a team with a prestige master level 101 (effectively a no lifer imo considering how short of time the games been out) and that entire team was spawn trapping us and sliding on their butts every gunfight you had with them, now the lopsided part of this is it was domination on nuketown so a smart team that can control B and spawn trap is easy to do the problem is in my case I was 1 of the only people trying to actively push to get out of the spawn trap while my team got spawn killed they ended up getting a choppergunner that spawn killed us so hard I literally died off the bat 3 times in a row I was like 20 kills 30 deaths by the end of it, next match im on HC TDM 6v6 in hideout, I drop 40-16 playing against players that seemed under what my actual KD should be because of how brutally roasted I got the match prior, how is anyone supposed to get better if you get put with top 1% players after a handful of positive KD games playing with a buddy only to get shit on instantly when playing solo then getting players that seem lower skill then me the next game, like to jump between two completely lopsided games is not improving thats being manipulated into thinking I am
Hour 1 your in a sweatfest. Hour 1000 your in a sweatfest.. you’ll get smacked on hour 1 all the way through 1000 until you realize all that time you played was for nothing because your games never change, the players never change… so outside of camo grinds and the prestige grind there is nothing to do and playing is pointless.
I average a 1.3 kd across the different warzones over the years. My friends with .7-.8 kds always complain about playing with me because we never win - the lobbies are too hard. When they play on their own they get wins.
2:29 No they are not, try having a 5kd. It's not a way to switch of and relax when every lobby is CDL Try Outs Video Games used to be video games, until we started protecting and catering to certain threshold of players, rather it being a normal way of video games where it's kill or be killed. Disbaled people or gamers who want to be protected is one thing, but everyone else should be free to play anyone to make it actually random and like it was once upon a time. Im am forced to play solo because my friends won't play with me due to the lobbies i get and their skill level can't handle CDL lobbies. So no, im not having fun at all and it's not a relaxing experience when i can sit back and relax with a different variety of guns.
When people say “I want to casually play to have fun…” they usually tend to mean “I want to put no effort into winning.” The fun in the game is the challenge of growing against tougher opponents. I guess I am the crazy one for thinking that it is fun to struggle in order to grow.
So at 51 in multiplayer I have a kd of around 1.2. I defiantly feel some lobbies are a lot harder than others. I play casually, not game after game after game, couple of matches on domination of team death match. Then I’m done. Been through all the cods. I know when I’ve lost the gunfight but at times I feel that I have won but still died. Come around a corner with ads and bam dead, not even pull a shot even though I’ve pulled the trigger. Never dropped a nuke.. probably never will but it’s fun at times.
you made a bro and drove all around the map together, only for him to run you over the instant you jumped out While funny, That's probably the most effort anyone has ever put into getting a kill in COD history.
These people, like in this example 7:40, create what we call in Germany a “nephew account.” They use a second account, play very poorly on it and then queue together with that account to get easier lobbies. There are even some providers who rent out such accounts. They do exactly what’s shown in the video and then rent them out.
Sbmm needs to be something we in a 3kd+ lobby can still drop 20 kills imagine what a bottom 1% lobby would look like if we got into them we would drop atleast 40 - 50 im glad sbmm is a thing but it kinda sucks when I play with lower kd friends and they get fried in my lobbies then they just hop off cause it’s not fun getting slammed
Yep. I have a 3.5 KD and have friends with 1.0 KDs. They get absolute dumpstered almost every single fight when we play together. They cant believe the level of the opponents they are forced to play when they queue with me. It's not fun for any of us.
I'm an average player just looking for more variance in the lobbies, and for it not to feel like a cycle :do well -> next game against sweats, do badly -> next game against bots. It's predictable, yields no funny interactions, gets quite repetitive quickly and bores the heck out of me. I find it quite ironic that you have to tank your stats to get into lobbies that are actually fun. I am surprised as to how people can still defend such system when ranked play exists.
The manipulation of engagement based match making is my issue, win a game or two in a row and it’s a miserable sweatfest where my ping and connection are not properly weighted, it also be nice to know the average KD of my lobby without a 3rd party app!
I don't think anybody disagrees that there should be a protective bracket for players like this. But when you reach players with a KD that is average (0.8 like you said) then that's where players should be thrown into the general player pool with no EOMM active.
SBMM in Warzone sucks I get in matches with players 3x better than me I can’t kill anyone I played 5 matches 0 kills, 0 Fing kills ! Does it happen to anyone else ?
Yes. It always happens after I do well in a previous game. God forebid I win a match, the rest of the session will be against super sweats. It's so anti-fun...
I used to be in your position in wz1. I shot bots in a private lobby for 15 min before I played pretty much daily. I spent a lot of time sharpening my gunskill. Game sense comes with putting yourself in more situations. Most cod players just want to play well but don’t put any work in to improve.
I don't think SBMM should be completely removed, but again, like many people say, your skill takes priority over your connection. SBMM in a lot of shooters is so unbelievably strict that you're ONLY fighting people of your skill level. You're not seeing yourself improve, you're not seeing your gunfights get easier, because as your stats go up, the player experience is the same. The people at the bottom are struggling just as hard to win a gunfight as the people at the top, and it's a glaring issue. SBMM being so strict leads to absolutely no variation in experience. You're giving it all you've got at all times. SBMM should match a larger pool of players in brackets. People of lower KDs and Stats in general(Bottom 1% to bottom 20%) would be put in the same matchmaking bracket, and people of average to above average(top 70% to top 20%), and the top players(Top 30-1%) would be matched together. It'd lead to a larger pool of players to work with, and matches would be far more varied in experience. Players would see if they were improving or getting worse. I don't think SBMM is a bad thing, but in most games it's far too tight on the players it matches with, leading to the sweatier lobbies and hellscape of having to constantly bring your A game.
the only thing about SBMM is how strict it is I have no problems with it but it needs to be looser there's no variety in matches when I think there should be.
Maybe if ranked was the default mode, then the extremely low skilled players could still have sbmm/eomm protect them and the general player base could select a public mode without sbmm/eomm if they wanted
I play games for 30 years, skipped I think only 3 cods since 2003, almost done with dark matter grind rn. Warzone feels incredibly intimidating, cant even attempt to play it. Still looks rly cool tho, i kin that guy driving car around with you so much, that would be me if the lobbies allowed
The botnet accounts referenced at 7:34 are probably just being leveled up to sell online. Unfortunately those tend to go to hackers who get banned and want to get a new account quickly.
My kd is about 1.18. and my brother is like 0.3kd. and the biggest difference is definitely his aiming and tracking like you said. He doesnt go into the gun range and find his best weapons and attachments. which basically means he cant hit anyone.
my issue is when i cannot play with just one of my buddies since they're such a low skill level, he'll just get rolled. I hate spending so much time loading into a game when above average, thats why i havent even touched this warzone.
Problem is with me is that the system absolutely kills friends groups with various skill, my friend group just doesn’t play anymore because of the system
Hey there Tactical! I know you might never read this bit here it goes! The connections on area 99 are way worse that the connetion on rebirth. I invite you to test this out. 5 games in one and 5 onnthe other. I will be re posting this until you read it... Cheers brother!!! BrianShooterman
Just follow the warzone information on Yt and only playing MP and play a couple of sessions during the day and this is also very noticeable if you compare morning mid and evening and as well you will see some play styles more during the morning compared to the evening. Love your content thx
"Abiding by traffic laws." Then proceeds to drive on the wrong side of the road lmao (I understand he's driving on the correct side for his country, but it's the wrong side for the games setting.)
The explanation in the video makes sense. I'm curious how next situation fits in though. I just finished a match on hardcore face off playlist in MP. None of players on my team (including me) finished with positive E/D which means K/D is even worse. I finished first on my team. Even though I'm in this mode for camo grind, that's why my performance is bad. It's also not the first match in my current session where I don't play good due to camos. 3 or 4 opponents have 2 E/D in this match or better. Are those cheaters? Or SBMM made wrong assumptions? (Let's say everyone on my team end up camo grinding.) The point is that if I where actually trying this wouldn't be a safe space or slightly spicy match. It was not fun and clearly lopsided. The issue for me though is that these games happen too often even when I'm in my regular modes. I'm not clear on why they happen that often and who exactly the game is trying to protect when one team is objectively worse than other.
the main problem with sbmm for me is less of running into ppl with my same skill level but rather I’m the only one in the lobby with 90ms+ ping while everyone else is below 20ms, not to mention packet burst and server extrapolation that I have to deal with. I have a 2gbps fiber hard wired, why do I have to sacrifice my connection because I did good in a game? this system makes no sense, I’d rather have no internet than deal with a laggy/bad connection one
The worst thing SBMM took from us is making new friends. All the chill, cool, funny people are usually some of the worst players, but also some of the most fun players to play with. Just turn down the goddamn SBMM whatever SBMM blackout had we need that
They think sbmm is working cause of sales numbers but they could do pretty much anything and set records because of how great the old games were and theres 0 triple a competition
If the matchmaking system in Warzone would prioritize my connection/ping then I would have no problem with SBMM. The reason why SBMM is so frustrating for me personally is that it completely ruins my gameplay experience because of the horrible ping I get. And don't even get me started on the packet burst/loss
@@starboyjedi13 frfr sometimes I have 96ms ping other Time I got freaking 170ms ping shit crazy...
VPN and proud
@@Redald That's literally me bro💀 Throw in a bit of 5% packet loss as well
@@acev3521 Do vpns still work on Warzone? Because tbh I just want to make sure that my connection is within my local servers instead connecting me to EU servers
@@acev3521 fake game play and proud
My friends dont want to play with me anymore. They ragequit after 4-5 rounds. So i play alone, so they can have good time in easyer lobbys. Really not the game i wanna support anymore, after all these years. played COD since 2005.
Totally agree. I have a good KD (3+) and all my mates are average. They dont want to play with me anymore. They get destroyed in every gunfight, then I'm left in a 1v3 against players of my own skill level. Boring.
@@internetttroll1908 join the finals!
@@253MC How can I see my KD in newest warzone?
when I befriend randoms, the next game with them is usually unplayable
, and every lobby is sweaty never realized sbmm was the reason for this.
@@niklasgustavsson1243if you’re asking this it’s below 1 lol
This is so wholesome. I would love to play in a lobby like this from time to time, not even to win, just to actually have fun and do goofy shit like you were doing in the gulag.
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Looks like “TheseKnivesOnly” lobbies.
@@Notimportant1995 I was just scrolling through comments and see this and spit out my drink 😂😂
LMAO I actually use a Melee weapon only sometimes just for fun 1.6KD lobbies... and the lobbies are nothing like Ghost of Caldera or TKOs. They are 100% boosting the IQ out of the lobbies.
Bro dropping knife nukes and I can barely get a merciless with an 8 attachment m4 in a 1.4 kd lobby
@@atamayo10 me too lol
lol looks like any streamers lobby
Those "players" running in circles are probably the "pros" getting the k/d lowered so they can have the bottom .1% lobbies ready when they start streaming.
@@patrickwright3485 no, it's people levelling up accounts to sell / use for cheating in ranked.
I am still of the strong opinion that no SBMM leads to greater Equalization in the long run and leads to more player improvement instead of being locked into your own skill group forever.
@linkedsnake6021 i disagree to an extent if you actively practice playing and improving you'll never be stuck you'll just feel stuck but test your skills in ranked, I think climbing the hidden mmr ladder on normals just has no appeal they shouldn't hide it
SBMM is basically DEI
The people tht cry bout sbmm are mfs tht cry cause they play comp
@@linkedsnake6021 Based on what? Other than general vibes?
@@V-O-Vbased on 6 years of experience playing without sbmm and 4 years with sbmm
swag and joewo would shamelessly upload gameplay in these lobbies
They live at the right place for the amazing lobbies. They don't get them all the time, what you watch on youtube are cherrypicked matches from 8+ hours of gaming.
@@Manakuskiabsolutely! Spent a lot of time on Nukesquad Twitch lately and like his lobbies are usually hell, but maybe one in ten games looks like a bot lobby .
@@DeadOnInfil 1 in 10? Still much better than the 1 in 100 i got when is till played this crap!
@@KawaiiPotat0 xprovmz 😂😂dudes the worst of them all
kikuri moment
I agree with your point at 16:30 wholeheartedly. My problem with SBMM is then sole fact that when I'm playing multiplayer, the game puts these kinds of players on my team and places me against players like me, expecting me to carry, and then my team ends up leaving the game because they're not having fun. I wouldn't have a problem at all if everyone in the lobby was the same skill level, but that's just not what happens.
This. MP SBMM actively gives me no less 2 people that will at minimal double negative every game. Also if you manage to get a killstreak, the good teams leave. But your teammates (bad) will stay and just get slammed. If they leave, it will fill with more bad teammates.
I've been doing some tests myself and in lower skill lobbies you can get 3-4 chopper gunners in a row and just roll over them without them even shooting at it. Get a chopper in my normal lobby and the whole other team one mags it, or leaves if they die twice to it. There's no point in even using the streaks. In 10v10 on MW3 whenever I would be in a lobby easy enough to get big streaks, you could hear teammate or death comms saying "what is that sound" about a swarm or gunship because they just encounter it.
Exactly, it’s not SBMM at all they don’t put you w players of your same level it’s a complete farce and tactical Brit acting like he doesn’t know that is completely comical and condescending. Sometimes I think he’s a little shill.
He is as far from being a shill as can be... This topic should be another whole video.
Watching Ace’s recent vid about skill ratings is kinda insane to think about after reading this comment. He mentioned that his skill rating went up after games he performed “poorly” in, and while they don’t outright tell you why, he’s under the assumption that it’s because despite him performing poorly, he still performed “better” than the game expected him to. This game literally takes every single little thing into account, sets you up for failure and rewards you with more migraine inducing lobbies for beating THEIR odds. It’s literal punishment for just simply being not bad at the game.
Also I 100% get what you’re saying. It’s almost every game for me too where my team gets in my way, is AFK, can’t aim, or just have zero game sense. Meanwhile the entire enemy team is perfectly coordinated and is able to set us up in a spawn trap within the first 15 seconds of the match. Shit is ridiculous.
Imagine being so worried about that last 1% of profit that you butcher your game to get it.
forealz
i just wish the lobbies were ping based. Imagine a world where every warzone match is a medley of good, bad and average players. A true, organic sandbox experience. Sometimes you’d come across YY sweats and sometimes you’d come across really wholesome, organic interactions between less serious players. Sometimes you’d end up against a few sweaty squads and have to play really hard to win, and sometimes you’d get nicer, softer lobbies where you realise you can relax, have some fun, maybe use an off meta loadout etc. That’s what BRs are meant to be imo. A big open world, pvp sandbox. But instead, those of us with 2+ KD ratios are forced into playing our asses off just to get 1-2 kills per game. Maybe get the occasional 10 kill game if we’re lucky and really zoned in.
In practice the distribution would be different - i.e. at least one sweat in every lobby - simply because sweats play more often. If you’ve got a queue of 1200 players, and 120 of them are sweats, should you make 100 lobbies with 1 sweat in each of them? Or should you make 10 lobbies filled with sweats and then 90 lobbies with more average players?
Why should casuals get matched with casuals, but sweats shouldn’t get matched with sweats?
@@brotatobrosaurus5411 Because "sweats" wouldn't exist to the same extent without SBMM. Look at other sandbox games like Battlefield. Theyve existed for years with no sbmm, and up to 128 players per match at times. Those games are WAY more casual than warzone, because there is no SBMM environment to force people into using "sweaty" tactics to gain an edge.
@@brotatobrosaurus5411 That's not how distribution works. You would get variance. That's why I used the word "organic". The only way you would get 1 sweat in every lobby would be if it were artificially matchmade. On AVERAGE you would get 1 sweat per lobby, but you would also get many games with 2-3 sweats, and many games with 0.
@@brotatobrosaurus5411 that's not how statistics work.
@@bushmonster1702 players should just ask for Hostable servers the community can set up and then leave it to the community to bring the player base together on finding a better middle ground, plus the game suffers from no game modes keeping casuals engaged with the game. They had this in OG Cod MW4 and it was awesome then MW2 came out and removed it for a p2p connection not was meh at best. internet back in the day was ass, everyone was hoping they would be host.
I’ll be honest these lobbies look fun to just run around and troll but not to try and play seriously.
@@435.63 I agree. While it would probably be fun, for someone like me who is trash at BR games, to get in and get a few kills, I'd probably get bored eventually.
My issue in BR games is positioning and having anxiety at the fact I could get shot from anywhere so I play with very little confidence compared to playing regular MP.
WZ looks like it's fun and I should probably give myself the time and patience to actually learn how to play it properly
They do have the custom wz games you can host. Get together with others through a forum and create a fun game mode lol put rules online and just kick anyone being silly
it's the mix between players like that and good players etc. that have made cod great in the past
@@MarcBrighty You'd hate Rust hahaha
Cod isn’t in the “have fun while playing” business. They’re in the selling skins business.
I am a 1.2 KD player. SBMM doesn't bother me so much. Getting outplayed is how you learn. What bothers me is how obfuscated the settings can be to find, understand, and apply. But even that isn't a deal breaker. What is... the cheating. Ricochet just isn't getting the job done. How many lobbies have you been in where the level 20 guy is the top guy in the game? You know what I am talking about... when they go 60 and 14 in an MP games or like 28 and 3 in on Rebirth. Maybe there are just thousands of people who have played the game for a week and are just 10x better than the rest of us. Of the 3 other guys I play with... only one has purchased B06. He bought it for the zombies. The rest of us are trying to justify paying hard earned money for something that is plagued with hackers. You can't go back to back games without running into at least one highly suss team. Beat me in a gun fight, cool, I'll get you next time. But that isn't what is happening. There will always be hackers... but there was a time when they were a rarity. Now, they are a game feature. Why pay for that?
just get it off of gamepass like how everyone should, you would pay $120 over the course of a year, but be real you wont play for more then 5 months and then also have access to thousands of other and honestly better games to play
the floor spinning video legit gave me motion sickness.
I used to love just getting drunk in MW2, intentionally tanking my SBMM by playing badly, hanging out in team voice chat with a lot of really chill people... It was fun
I'm more of an MP player, less so Warzone and I agree that SBMM should exist however what frustrates me the most is when i'm put with players who simply aren't on my skill level and am expected to carry them against an actual balanced team, completely ruins the experience for me.
It wouldn't be so bad if it wasn't so aggressive, it should be a gradual slope instead of a sharp one. It's not fun when it matches you against a bunch of very low skill players just to then match you against pro leagues because you mopped the floor previously. In the last week I've had only one game I considered fun and that was because everyone in the lobby for once was actually the same skill level.
@@Sekiberius24 I would welcome playing balanced teams if my team was the same but when i'm being matched against multiple parties and my team mates have no thumbs it's just not fun.
This!!!
My issue as well. If it's going to be CDL, let's play CDL with CDL teammates. Always having the people getting slammed on your team sucks, and half the time you can tell just by the names or levels before the game even starts.
I used to stay pissed about this. Now, when I notice that my team is the reason we're gonna get mopped, I just set a random goal for myself and basically "play alone". I think to myself, "Well, I need headshots on this terrible gun I hate. Let me see if I can get 1 or 2 or 5 more for this camo challenge." Or, "My aim/use of cover sucks right now. Let me try focusing on that." My team loses, but I got better in at least 1 way instead of leaving the match mad at the world.
Back in advanced warfare (when they first introduced sbmm), i tried a reversed boosted account. Literally was getting DNA bombs every game. The players were worse than private match bots on recruit.
I did too
I often play at 5-6am, and I dont get bot lobbies, or maybe I do, but most notably I just get massively bad ping where its just technically hard to play.
yup
7:00 This is a controller with the wire wrapped around the sticks so it moves to bypass the inactivity timer while the actual person is AFK.
@@ThisisForTheTV I think it’s someone reverse boosting
I don’t mind SBMM at all. The problem I have is blatant cheating. Where the cheats don’t match the player overall skill and game IQ
The cheating and the team balancing part of sbmm in multiplayer drives me crazy full team of ppl my level on the other team and then it’s me and 4 complete bots and one other half decent guy if I’m lucky but probably just me and 5 bots it’s Annoying
None of us that play the game at a Iridescent+ level would have EVER become even more borderline decent, had as much fun doing so, and gotten that satisfaction of improvement as a player IF we had SBMM back in the day. I used to get destroyed in COD4, so I put in the time to get better and better, over the years developing those "CoD senses" if you will. It felt great and then being in lobbies with lower skill players meant I'd be passing those skills onto them as they realized what I was doing and we ALL IMPROVED together. The newest generations of CoD players...they will never leave the lower tier SBMM lobbies, other than if they get clowned by the system and put onto a higher SBMM team to get mauled due to the way SBMM works in MP and Warzone in non-filled squads (to make the game harder, it'll dump one or two really low SBMM players against the Iri+ other team...to balance the team SBMM scores).
I feel awful for those newer players. They'll never get to improve. They'll never get that rush that comes with realizing you are getting better. Which means multiplayer gaming isn't a competitive outlet for them, so what's the point ie. they'll just quit and not play as much since it's not something they'll get invested in like we did back in the day. They'll go and play co-op or singleplayer instead. SBMM IS THE REASON CoD's player number tank after one month EVERY SINGLE GAME.
nobody is gonna read that sh.
1) stop playing CoD. it's dead and over
2) SBMM isn't designed to improve your skill, it's to keep you on the game to buy MTX
3) stop buying MTX
4) dissuade all your friends from buying MTX
This. I started MW3 at the age of 10/11, it was pure chaos, I was no where near the skill level of the average player, but the thrill of becoming that guy at the top of the leaderboard stomping on everybody drove me to play more and more and made me the player I am today. Pressure makes diamonds, not throwing all the newbies in a friendly farm where nothing is actually challenging and vice versa. I recently tried 2 boxxing out of curiosity, and being able to actually operate the movement effectively, go on killstreaks etc, then get into the next match against another 2boxxer and carry over that confidence into a much harder fight felt EXACTLY like COD used to feel like. I don't understand why lobbies can't be mixed still. Couple good, couple average, couple that are terrible. I was once part of the terrible, then I started landing mid leaderboards and felt caught up with the average, and eventually levelled myself to a player who could land top leaderboards. Completely agree with your point and unfortunately I don't think we'll experience this again due to profit margins and "the dataaaaa"
@@RizzyGyattagreed, all of it is for profits, none of it is in consideration of genuine gameplay anymore. Out of curiousity tho wdym MTX?
Well said!
@RizzyGyatt COD is still as big as ever no matter how much you wish it wasn't.
I have a positive KD nothing crazy , always been good at the game , but I have to try so hard nowadays just to be a apart of the game
Honestly every game that didn’t have SBMM actually had better longevity. There’s actually another FPS game called Combat Master that lets choose which style of play and you go according to said groups that also choose that play style. Then there’s a more simplistic play style mode you can choose and it’ll group you with people who also play that way. No settings needed to change. Just learn and adapt to each play style. COD needs to take notes.
Lobbies this low aren't just low skill players, this is actually severe SBMM for "protected" lobbies. These are lobbies for people with disabilities, not using traditional input devices. Like that one dude that plays by blowing in straws.
Not only those, we talking poor cities in third world countries that play with office/school pc's, very old laptops with severe lag and 30 fps the most.
I feel they either split the match making to casual (no SBMM) playlist and Ranked playlist, or implement these two into one playlist which we have now BUT, give actual ranks or point rating system.
Most of the bots lobbies are little kids who've never used a controller before, or people with disabilities. Tbh, SBMM is good for them. Unfortunately, they are a very small minority, and SBMM being applied to everyone really doesn't work.
And it can be abused, 2 boxing and such
It actually works in the exact same way that it benefits brand new players and kids. Should someone with a 1KD be in a lobby where everyone else is a 1.8+? They will get shit on. It’s proportionate
So here is the situation I often find myself in. I play with buddies that are less skilled than me and we have fun for a bit goofing off but then after a while we are teetering on having fun with each other and doing well in game. You gotta have both. They get rolled often and me and another guy are the ones even making the game close. Often times they hop off and make a new lobby and play without me and they say there is a MAJOR difference. So I wind up hoping off. So how is this “engagement optimization” helping me continue playing? I just want to play and have fun with my buddies not force them into CDL wannabe lobbies…
@@macwiley9846 it's annoying that it essentially causes friend groups to have to split in game, but you must realise it has to be this way.
If you go into "their" lobbies, then you're the guy with 20 kills when everyone else has 5.
Now you have 11 people not having fun, yes that includes your own teammates, and they all hate you. I mean no offence, but high skilled players have no idea how much they ruin the fun for the rest of us. So listening to them constantly whine about SBMM, which essentially forces them to experience exactly what they want to make everyone else experience, gets really really tiresome.
@@redshift1058 Only because you've invaded a lobby that you don't belong in, if it were random you might have a couple decent players to a team
@@Tom-Mc70 it would make no difference. We've all been in these lobbies. Maybe there is a top fragger per team. So each team has a guy on 20 kills, everyone else on 5. 10 guys hate you now rather than 11. It's fucking boring for normal people who can't compete. End of.
It's not your fault, you might just be good or you spend too much time playing it, but you've played yourself out of being casual. For you "relaxing" equals shitting on people below your skill level. It's as simple as that.
@@redshift1058modern cod just sucks. Most fps shooters have “unrated” with low sbmm and the high sbmm is only used in ranked
I just play my Lobbies are everywhere is people jumping sliding no scope snipes weird back jumps flying around! Also as soon as you peak beaming from 100m its so stressful to play 😅
I have a 1.46 KD ratio through 4th prestige and I don’t feel like top 20%, Lol.
Bro I'm with you I don't understand who they think I am
That’s cause you’re not. This game counts assists as eliminations, so your statistics don’t show your real KD, they show your KDA. At a 1.4 elimination/death ratio, you are probably closer to a 1.0 KD.
Is that kills/death or Elims/death
@@253MC1.0 is still top 20%
I must be at the bottom with my 1.22 KD 😂
1:57 Top 10 Betrayals of all Time
I've seen so many big streamers get in bot lobbies to look good that it's sad.
Recently I’ve been watching sally is a dog vid and everyone in his lobby was No higher then lvl 45 and he is like a 6th prestige. Not saying prestige equals skill into the game but it was just odd I thought.
"Probably will, But just wont notice it" DAYUM. That hits like a mack truck to some of our boys in here ahhahaha! Good video though brit
I literally have like a 0.1 KD on this new resurgence map, I played with six crimsons yesterday (that I could see) why the hell can't I get into these games.
Like clearly I'm not a no-lifer anymore, I just want to have fking fun. Haven't had fun in Warzone or cod in almost 2 years now
Get a vpn
@acev3521 why?
What would that solve, I'll have has png then if I play around the world trying to find a easier match
Im a casual player, I'm not trying to put a lot of effort into finding a match
I feel like your opinion is biased. You feel like SBMM is justified, but that's because COD is your job. You get to play all morning, in softer lobbies and get some relief from the absolute SWEAT FEST that is 5pm+ lobbies (when you have a 3KD). You get respite. Those of us who work all day long, come home from work and want to play for an hour or 2, but just so happen to be skilled players, we are the ones who get the BRUNT of sbmm. Not all of us "high skill" players get to play all day long. Some of us still have jobs and lives and want to enjoy the game, but just because i am decent at the game (3.5KD) means I get punished. I cant play with my mates because they have 1.0KDs and they get RUINED in my lobbies.
@@253MC Interestingly enough, if you read activations white paper on their match making these systems are designed to increase the retention of a player exactly like you.
From their tests and research which you can read if you google “call of duty match making white paper” when turning off any kind of match making algorithm the only player group that DIDNT loose retention is the top 1%
All this to say these match making algorithms are the most beneficial statically to your exact player type, which, makes sense as they will generate the most money for the publisher.
This is exactly how I feel and it's been. I've been between a 2.0 kdr and a 3.5kdr since about bo2 onward and I struggle the last 5 years. I still get to 2.0 but I shouldn't have to absolutely abuse every single broken thing about the game to get that
All I hear is sad violins when I read comments like these 😂
Same. My WZ squad has entirely more fun without me. I keep telling them it will get better. But with EOMM or whatever we are going to call it, it's an abusive relationship at very best.
@@Howdypartnerlol 😂😂😂😂
One of the problems is that when slicing off “top” players for highest skilled lobbies, a new bell curve is formed. And so there are populations of players who are the worst best players, and are left to a fairly hopeless grind. Old FPS games were not like that.
I’d appreciate getting in these lobbies right now for a few games. Haven’t played since original WZ and I’m just trying to learn the basics but the lobbies feel pretty sweaty to me and it really does put me off wanting to play more.
We must protect these individuals
These are the lobbies all the cheating streamers get into. Players like nixstah, joewoo, and more scumbags like them.
No lies told 💯
I made a new account back in Caldera days, and it seems like you'll get an average lobby for your first game (SBMM quickly assesses your skill after just that one game). This lobby seemed like it was well below average though, and racking up multiple kills in a 3 or even 4 way gunfight was not just doable, but easy.
I then realized how many Verdansk world records were against people with physical disabilities and such, considering that the Warzone Tracker site showed a big streamer's WR against a 0.3 - 0.4 average KD lobby. Closet cheaters, with actual hacks, don't even stoop this low to be honest. That seems like an absurd statement until you realize first hand what these 2-boxed lobbies are actually like, and to think that at least at one point many reasonably large/popular content creators were putting out their best content in these lobbies.
I’m sick of everyone playing like their lives depend on it . I can’t have a pint and play to relax anymore because you have to be on edge and fully awake because you game is gong to be short
Then keep playing like that or simply make a relaxation account and play chill you'll get chill lobbies use your other account competitively
naw you can compete while inebriated sounds like a you problem
Been loving these styles of videos recently. Good stuff!
I usually hear a PC player at the end of every match say "oh dang I forgot about push to talk"
8:52 if we assume SBMM isn’t present, one can assume a cheater a match at 120 player lobbies. If we add sbmm, cheaters would likely 2 box reverse boost, etc. cheaters are next to guaranteed a match, if not every other match. Your showing of encountering a cheater 11 or so out of 20 matches only takes into account what you saw out of those 100+ players. How do we know out of all those players, there wasn’t a cheater somewhere else in the world? It shows that the cheating problem is much, much worse that we’re all wanting to admit….
What if theese dudes are Just bots made by Activision to Fill lobbies in a reasonable span of time? They dont even look real...
A nice easy lobby like tbis once or twice a day would help me get a few challenges done. Im never getting 10 kills in a row or xoming out top scorer of the match etc
got fuckin nauseous watching that bot run around staring at the ground instead of just looking away. maybe i should be in some of these bottom .1% lobbies
I have a 1.5kd in warzone. I play a ton. Now that I am freelancing I play maybe 10ish hours a day. I edit photos, Watch movies on Amazon, Netflix and play. I am ADHD and have to do multi things to keep my interest. My lobbies are easy in the morning and hard at night. For example in the last month I have had Rallied drop a nuke on me and a friend in Duos, I have gotten slapped by Metaphor like 4-5 times, have run into TheJDevise multi times, have run into Expel... etc Besides that I have been in lobbies with JoeWo, Iceman Issac, Stone Mountain, etc. Have run into JGod in multiplier. in MW2 and MW3 I was getting 20-30 ping per game. Now I am getting 40-100 ping in Solos. The most annoying thing is my bullets not registering. I used to have a core group of people I would play with. They had .50KD in warzone and would only play plunder. But now they just don't play anymore. I see the splatter on the guy but no plates are broken. Great video overall.
Love these types of videos. Very informative and you also give solutions to some of the problems in warzone for newer players which is a great thing.
Okay i dont know why i had this idea 1.0-1.1 is average, im flabbergasted that the average is like 0.8 as lacky says here.
The logical entailment to be against SBMM is that you want to play against someone LESS SKILLED than yourself. Even though most people will make up other justifications and excuses, that is what you are demanding when you want SBMM gone, you want to play against worse players so you can feel better about your performance.
SBMM is heaven for those who want play against worse skilled players
@xCriZzZ right. You can just troll in HC for a bit and get bot lobbies for the next 20 games.
My issue with it is how harshly it punishes you for having a single good game. The way the cycle goes for me is as follows: I get stomped in a game, get like a .5 KD against omni movement pros. My next game I'm top of the leader board with a 3.4 KD, then for my next 6 or 7 games I get a .5 KD against movement gods. Then another game where I'm top of the leader board.
That's simply not fun. I'd much rather it be every other game where I'm getting absolutely dominated. When it happens game after game after game you sorta just shut off your ability to learn from how they play and just rage instead. What I want is a more gradual increase in difficulty. If I have a really good game, I shouldn't be punished for half a dozen games after that. No one's skill increases that much after a single good game where they can compete with people who live and breath call of duty. The way it should work is you have an amazing game and your next one should be a little tougher, maybe instead of playing with .5 kd players you play with 1.0 kd players, if you're holding your own, bump it up to 1.2 kd players, if you're still holding your own then 1.5 kd players, and so on. Instead of a leap from .5 to 2.6 and then holding you at 2.6 until your stats tank enough for you to be put back in the lowest bracket of players where you inevitably dominate and then immediately get put back in with top 1% players again. Its just not fun this way.
@@bundlesofjoe One good game and then 6 really bad games? That's not how SBMM works. Try out the 10v10 moshpit, its much more casual
@@HaZeyTheViking He could be running into good players off rip.
My personal opinion is that Warzone, specifically, needs more casual friendly modes. I miss the 50 v 50 Clash modes and the Payload modes. They were dumbs and goofy, even the Armored Car BR mode with the cargo trucks and all that. Those were the modes I played when I didn't want to super sweat in the BR, and there's just nothing there except for Plunder. It's such a boring game now.
as a hardcore zombies only player, id like to play Warzone but have no idea where to begin, i mean i get its a last man standing battle royale, but how to get good and decent. Strategies and beginner tips for someone who has the basics down but is just starting WZ. Id love to see someone awesome at the game like you do a video like that
My question would be if you're a MP/Zombies only player hovering around a .85KD and then you decide to try Warzone out - is the lobby you're put in going to be based on that MP KD or is it going to put you in a lower tier lobby because you haven't played it yet?
I've tested this, you get put in the sweatiest lobbies known to man. I'm primarily a zombies player, the first MP I played since MW2 was warzone in this game. I stomped in the testing grounds version of warzone you are put into when you first load it up. Went like 12 and 0. Then played 15 games of warzone where I was lucky to get a single kill. In mw2 I hovered between .8 and 1.1 KD and in DMZ I slapped players around wiping out 4 man squads solo regularly. I think the big issue with warzone is the casual players have stopped playing it because of how sweaty the lobbies are so now unless your KD is absolutely trash you get put in with top 5% players every single game.
First lobbies of the day are always the easiest and after that depends how you play.
honestly back in bo1 ND BEFORE IDK HOW WE DID IT WITH LITTLE TO NO SBMM, THE FUN WE HAD I MEAN... THE RANDOMNESS OF WINNING I CANT IMAGINE WHAT ITS LIKE TO NOT HAVE SBMM.
this is what I've always been saying if SBMM didn't exist you would end up becoming that sweaty person in the lobby that would steamroll everybody even though to you yourself wouldnt think your try harding it would just be lower skilled players having to contest with someone of a higher skill even though you sit at a .8 and they are a .6
Ive never reverse boosted before.. over the past 2-3 years ive wanted to more and more. This years cod makes me want to reverse boost and 2box just to have “fun”. Im tired of sweating my ass off when my KD is only 1.35
Pro tip: forget about K/D the dopamine hit from W/L is better. Filter out everymode accept hard point and domination. Play the objective like a mad man. W/L goes up and fun happens again. Avoid TDM like the plague. TDM is so terrible, the game will just spawn players immediately behind you.
@@jordangourley3955 ive never been much of an objective player, but i will definitely give it a try. Cant be any less fun than im having now….
@@jordangourley3955 This is the way, though I enjoy Kill Confirmed as well
@@jordangourley3955 this is true w/l matters more to my fun than my k/d if I walk out with 8 captures and.36 kd for example im happy
You cannot convince me that first one wasn’t a bot
bots can aim
I love your video. In reference to Our KD's , not all say for example 1 Kd players are the same thanks to the SBMM. I am a 1.2 Kd player apparently but in reality I am a 0.5 Kd player when I play with very experienced 1.x kd friends in their lobbies . these friends had 1.5-2.5 kd in the original warzone back in the day we could see everyone's stats on 3rd party sites.
I definitely had more fun with friends when the lobbies had more variety now it is just sweat .
I love when you directly call out most of the CoD community for the "bot lobby" comments, and it still goes over everyone's head.
My thoughts have always been that SBMM should exist, but only to protect the lowest skill players like the ones in this video. SBMM in pubs outside of the bottom of the barrel players should only exist to balance teams when a randomly selected pool of players is chosen. The only other time I could see justifying SBMM is to prevent stacks of pub stompers and cheaters from farming the middle tier players, but even then it shouldn’t be trying to basically pit all 2-4 KD players against each other all the time, especially if running into them happens as seldom as stated
This is a good way to approach this subject
Here's a rant:
Gaming and content creation is so poplar these days
the people who are involved in both (creators & viewers)
tend to forget that that's just 2 bubbles overlapping on them
and that it's not the status-quo for everyone involved in either
They think that if you game
and it doesn't don't look like what they're used to, then it's wrong
or that you have to be present in / capable of both (gaming and content creation) to deserve respect
I've seen clips of a well-known & professional gaming content creator
in which he just unloads a 3 minute wagon of shit on some guy
who plays in ways that are typical for your average or casual gamer
I've been on twitch since 2012
I could have sworn that toxic skill-shaming shit (on strangers, in particular) wouldn't fly back then
and you'd be shamed in comments and thru screen-recs (before they had a clips feature)
These look like the lobbies content creators expect to play every game instead of facing people that are as good as them or better
bro what
u only see that 1 gameplay video they upload not the other 100 lobbys they play everyday
@brasmoore9756 youre stupid
I think it's good to play against people around your rank in a more serious ranked system. I play Fortnite Zero Build ranked and it feels like how the game did prior to Chapter 2; that is my preferred way to play the game. The SBMM in Fortnite fills the game with bots if you don't perform well. If I get to elite I'm playing against usually an equal percent of people above, below, and at my skill level. I believe the regular matchmaking is very similar but changes more often and uses bots judging by surveys I've received about matchmaking, but it doesn't feel like they ever change it based on feedback.
I love watching my random team mate trying to open a loot chest whilst jumping and crouching and shooting because they don't know the controls hahaha
I don't quite understand the logic of "SBMM prevents you from improving", people say you improve by facing people who are better than you, but then people turn around and say SBMM makes them face sweats and forces them to try as hard as possible. If you play the same skill level you can definitely improve and do better than those people which will then cause SBMM to put you in even higher skilled lobbies. Wouldn't that help you improve? I am not gonna say its a good system but people have all sorts of conflicting opinions on it, I think the most valid criticisms with the system is the lack of connection priority, and inconsistency of skill level game to game. I agree connection should be prioritized, and I believe if they are going to match you with similar skilled players then it should be consistent.
So here's a kind of lopsided in a way example of why SBMM (imo) doesn't help you improve, last night my first match on since playing with a buddy of mine with a slightly lower KD who effectively put me in a slightly lower skill lobby boosted my KD so my first match on in 10v10 hardcore moshpit put me against a team with a prestige master level 101 (effectively a no lifer imo considering how short of time the games been out) and that entire team was spawn trapping us and sliding on their butts every gunfight you had with them, now the lopsided part of this is it was domination on nuketown so a smart team that can control B and spawn trap is easy to do the problem is in my case I was 1 of the only people trying to actively push to get out of the spawn trap while my team got spawn killed they ended up getting a choppergunner that spawn killed us so hard I literally died off the bat 3 times in a row I was like 20 kills 30 deaths by the end of it, next match im on HC TDM 6v6 in hideout, I drop 40-16 playing against players that seemed under what my actual KD should be because of how brutally roasted I got the match prior, how is anyone supposed to get better if you get put with top 1% players after a handful of positive KD games playing with a buddy only to get shit on instantly when playing solo then getting players that seem lower skill then me the next game, like to jump between two completely lopsided games is not improving thats being manipulated into thinking I am
Hour 1 your in a sweatfest. Hour 1000 your in a sweatfest.. you’ll get smacked on hour 1 all the way through 1000 until you realize all that time you played was for nothing because your games never change, the players never change… so outside of camo grinds and the prestige grind there is nothing to do and playing is pointless.
There's always so much talk about SBMM without much acknowledgement of EOMM, which is what SBMM today based on and not the other way around.
I average a 1.3 kd across the different warzones over the years. My friends with .7-.8 kds always complain about playing with me because we never win - the lobbies are too hard. When they play on their own they get wins.
I love playing in warzone bootcamp. Most dudes are friendly
2:29 No they are not, try having a 5kd. It's not a way to switch of and relax when every lobby is CDL Try Outs
Video Games used to be video games, until we started protecting and catering to certain threshold of players, rather it being a normal way of video games where it's kill or be killed.
Disbaled people or gamers who want to be protected is one thing, but everyone else should be free to play anyone to make it actually random and like it was once upon a time.
Im am forced to play solo because my friends won't play with me due to the lobbies i get and their skill level can't handle CDL lobbies. So no, im not having fun at all and it's not a relaxing experience when i can sit back and relax with a different variety of guns.
When people say “I want to casually play to have fun…” they usually tend to mean “I want to put no effort into winning.” The fun in the game is the challenge of growing against tougher opponents. I guess I am the crazy one for thinking that it is fun to struggle in order to grow.
You’re videos have been so good lately.. I’m on board! Thank you
So at 51 in multiplayer I have a kd of around 1.2. I defiantly feel some lobbies are a lot harder than others. I play casually, not game after game after game, couple of matches on domination of team death match. Then I’m done. Been through all the cods. I know when I’ve lost the gunfight but at times I feel that I have won but still died. Come around a corner with ads and bam dead, not even pull a shot even though I’ve pulled the trigger. Never dropped a nuke.. probably never will but it’s fun at times.
you made a bro and drove all around the map together, only for him to run you over the instant you jumped out
While funny, That's probably the most effort anyone has ever put into getting a kill in COD history.
Weapons and prestige grind feel quick but isnt with sweaty lobbies i find changing classes alot gets me better lobbies
These people, like in this example 7:40, create what we call in Germany a “nephew account.” They use a second account, play very poorly on it and then queue together with that account to get easier lobbies. There are even some providers who rent out such accounts. They do exactly what’s shown in the video and then rent them out.
Sbmm needs to be something we in a 3kd+ lobby can still drop 20 kills imagine what a bottom 1% lobby would look like if we got into them we would drop atleast 40 - 50 im glad sbmm is a thing but it kinda sucks when I play with lower kd friends and they get fried in my lobbies then they just hop off cause it’s not fun getting slammed
Yep. I have a 3.5 KD and have friends with 1.0 KDs. They get absolute dumpstered almost every single fight when we play together. They cant believe the level of the opponents they are forced to play when they queue with me. It's not fun for any of us.
@ yea all my lobbies have crim and iri players when my plat diamond homies play they get absolutely rocked
How can I see my KD in newest warzone?
I'm an average player just looking for more variance in the lobbies, and for it not to feel like a cycle :do well -> next game against sweats, do badly -> next game against bots. It's predictable, yields no funny interactions, gets quite repetitive quickly and bores the heck out of me.
I find it quite ironic that you have to tank your stats to get into lobbies that are actually fun.
I am surprised as to how people can still defend such system when ranked play exists.
The manipulation of engagement based match making is my issue, win a game or two in a row and it’s a miserable sweatfest where my ping and connection are not properly weighted, it also be nice to know the average KD of my lobby without a 3rd party app!
I don't think anybody disagrees that there should be a protective bracket for players like this. But when you reach players with a KD that is average (0.8 like you said) then that's where players should be thrown into the general player pool with no EOMM active.
SBMM in Warzone sucks I get in matches with players 3x better than me I can’t kill anyone I played 5 matches 0 kills, 0 Fing kills ! Does it happen to anyone else ?
Yup I get super sweats like im a 2-3 kd player in war zone . MP is a different story and I am decent there but not war zone at all
Yes. It always happens after I do well in a previous game. God forebid I win a match, the rest of the session will be against super sweats. It's so anti-fun...
I used to be in your position in wz1. I shot bots in a private lobby for 15 min before I played pretty much daily. I spent a lot of time sharpening my gunskill. Game sense comes with putting yourself in more situations.
Most cod players just want to play well but don’t put any work in to improve.
I don't think SBMM should be completely removed, but again, like many people say, your skill takes priority over your connection. SBMM in a lot of shooters is so unbelievably strict that you're ONLY fighting people of your skill level. You're not seeing yourself improve, you're not seeing your gunfights get easier, because as your stats go up, the player experience is the same. The people at the bottom are struggling just as hard to win a gunfight as the people at the top, and it's a glaring issue. SBMM being so strict leads to absolutely no variation in experience. You're giving it all you've got at all times. SBMM should match a larger pool of players in brackets. People of lower KDs and Stats in general(Bottom 1% to bottom 20%) would be put in the same matchmaking bracket, and people of average to above average(top 70% to top 20%), and the top players(Top 30-1%) would be matched together. It'd lead to a larger pool of players to work with, and matches would be far more varied in experience. Players would see if they were improving or getting worse. I don't think SBMM is a bad thing, but in most games it's far too tight on the players it matches with, leading to the sweatier lobbies and hellscape of having to constantly bring your A game.
It's not skill-based matchmaking its engagement-based matchmaking.
the only thing about SBMM is how strict it is I have no problems with it but it needs to be looser there's no variety in matches when I think there should be.
Maybe if ranked was the default mode, then the extremely low skilled players could still have sbmm/eomm protect them and the general player base could select a public mode without sbmm/eomm if they wanted
I play games for 30 years, skipped I think only 3 cods since 2003, almost done with dark matter grind rn. Warzone feels incredibly intimidating, cant even attempt to play it. Still looks rly cool tho, i kin that guy driving car around with you so much, that would be me if the lobbies allowed
The guy just spinning and running is farming a 2 box account. They have started selling them 😂
The botnet accounts referenced at 7:34 are probably just being leveled up to sell online. Unfortunately those tend to go to hackers who get banned and want to get a new account quickly.
My kd is about 1.18. and my brother is like 0.3kd. and the biggest difference is definitely his aiming and tracking like you said. He doesnt go into the gun range and find his best weapons and attachments. which basically means he cant hit anyone.
my issue is when i cannot play with just one of my buddies since they're such a low skill level, he'll just get rolled. I hate spending so much time loading into a game when above average, thats why i havent even touched this warzone.
This is what warzone bootcamp should look like. Maybe only less than 1kd players should have it unlocked?
Problem is with me is that the system absolutely kills friends groups with various skill, my friend group just doesn’t play anymore because of the system
Hey there Tactical! I know you might never read this bit here it goes!
The connections on area 99 are way worse that the connetion on rebirth. I invite you to test this out. 5 games in one and 5 onnthe other.
I will be re posting this until you read it...
Cheers brother!!!
BrianShooterman
It’s definitely NOT a bad thing! I don’t know why streamers cry ! You’re totally correct!
Just follow the warzone information on Yt and only playing MP and play a couple of sessions during the day and this is also very noticeable if you compare morning mid and evening and as well you will see some play styles more during the morning compared to the evening. Love your content thx
Ah, the streamer lobbies
"Abiding by traffic laws."
Then proceeds to drive on the wrong side of the road lmao
(I understand he's driving on the correct side for his country, but it's the wrong side for the games setting.)
The explanation in the video makes sense. I'm curious how next situation fits in though.
I just finished a match on hardcore face off playlist in MP. None of players on my team (including me) finished with positive E/D which means K/D is even worse. I finished first on my team. Even though I'm in this mode for camo grind, that's why my performance is bad. It's also not the first match in my current session where I don't play good due to camos.
3 or 4 opponents have 2 E/D in this match or better.
Are those cheaters? Or SBMM made wrong assumptions? (Let's say everyone on my team end up camo grinding.)
The point is that if I where actually trying this wouldn't be a safe space or slightly spicy match. It was not fun and clearly lopsided.
The issue for me though is that these games happen too often even when I'm in my regular modes.
I'm not clear on why they happen that often and who exactly the game is trying to protect when one team is objectively worse than other.
the main problem with sbmm for me is less of running into ppl with my same skill level but rather I’m the only one in the lobby with 90ms+ ping while everyone else is below 20ms, not to mention packet burst and server extrapolation that I have to deal with. I have a 2gbps fiber hard wired, why do I have to sacrifice my connection because I did good in a game? this system makes no sense, I’d rather have no internet than deal with a laggy/bad connection one
I would love to see the other side of this, great video
The worst thing SBMM took from us is making new friends. All the chill, cool, funny people are usually some of the worst players, but also some of the most fun players to play with.
Just turn down the goddamn SBMM whatever SBMM blackout had we need that
They think sbmm is working cause of sales numbers but they could do pretty much anything and set records because of how great the old games were and theres 0 triple a competition