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The missing piece of information that was hinted to here is that we don’t believe that non-Jews are going to hell for not being Jewish. If God made you a non-Jew, then that’s most likely how He wanted you to be, and you’re just fine as you are. Conversion is for people who truly feel a belonging to the Jewish People, and we make it challenging in order to ensure that the person is serious, consistent, and persistent.
Most of the Muslims go but you're right
@@whatsgood3854: You know for sure where most of the Muslims will go in the afterlife? Because God told you?
@@minskdhaka yes its been written 😉
Excellent and concise explanation.
@KhairNoor nope you're the ones that calling everyone kofars, in general Muslims are bad ppl and lots of jihadists suicide bombers you have only 1 place to go
Its like a very hard citizenship to me. You can be born into it. They even have their own language and history.
Their history is all about pissing their god off and Europe fucking them
It's an ethnic religion and wants to remain so. It's as simple as that. Not a universalist religion, more like a traditional ethnic historical culture.
It's roots are not in an ethnicity. It has become such for some. ( probably most)
@@MatPentz It's roots are surely an ethnicity, the Jews started from One family, Jacob and his 12 sons.
@@MatPentz It's roots are most definitely in an ethnicity.
@@MatPentz The original comment is right. The first thing you'll see when you search for judaism and it's history: The Jewish tribes were an ethnoreligious group (or an ethno-religious group) is a grouping of people who are unified by a common religious and ethnic background.
@@MatPentz On the contrary. It was an ethnicity, later a monolatristic religion, centuries before it was a religion to be worshipped worldwise.
And to this day, it's not universal and not trying to be.
People who want to convert to Judaism should experience an entire year, including all holidays.
They should learn about all holidays, too.
Is that Judaism just holidays!!! 😆😆😆🤣
@@--MountWolf-- It's an integral part of Judaism as each holiday is related to historic events of the people, so it's important to experience it all and not just learn about it and that's it.
People need to be there with other Jews, to learn together, not just in theory, but in practice too.
People learn better when not just learning in theory, but also practicing it.
@--MountWolf-- do you know that on a holiday you are not allowed to switch on/off the lights? You can't do that on Saturdays either. Do you know what makes kosher Tefilin? Do you know what those even are? Do you know how to pray in a Jewish way? What is the first thing a person should know in Judaism? What makes a Jew a Jew? What is the Torah? What does it say? How much money are you supposwd to give to a charity of your choosing from your paycheck? How do you make a vessle kosher to be used for food? What kind of those vessels need to go through that process? What do you do if your lulav is found on your Shabbat table? Do you even know what that was?
So on and so forth.
That’s not an excuse. Islam has more
Practices but easy to convert, all you have to do is to believe in gods oness. In Judaism you can’t convert because you need to be born in it. It’s a racist religion
@@789silentwarrior Jew - is the only one nationality that can be "obtained".
why is Islam a religion of permissible lies?
It's difficult because it is not only a religion. You are becoming a part of a people, of a nation. To be a Jew is not only a religion, it is a part of a nation and a being....
Exactly! Kinda like Jake Sulley's transformation in 'Avatar'
Judaism is terrorism
But there are secular jews.
@@daveg4963 Yes, and we are part of the Jewish nation.
@daveg4963 😂 yeah I have met many... Atheist Jews.
i think ''making it difficult'' to convert to any religion is really humane. To convert means to change your entire world-view, change the habits of a lifetime, commit to some huge cosmic and social ideas... bascially it is grafting your life onto traditions which are NOT one's own ''roots''. Its not like joining a streetgang or a book club, so for the sake of both the religious community and the convert it needs to be taken slowly and with total seriousness. I say this as an ex-Catholic agnostic. Much harm is done in the ''Western World'' by shopping around for ''exotic'' religions and ''easy routes to ancient wisdom'
I like the "grafting" and "roots' analogy, very clever. But if we're talking about absolute truth, you literally have no other choice but to subscribe to a religion with the most convincing evidence. And what harm ensues when someone converts to a religion they are convinced is the truth?
@@ProdYafa Many thanks - and I like your style of thinking...but... although I am not a ''reductionist athetist''or a moral relativist I think what counts as ''the truth'' is problematic! If it were simply a matter of deciding what religion had ''the best evidence'' we still have the consequent problem of agreeing upon what counts as evidence. Hindus can say Lord Krishna lifitng up the mountain is a better miracle than the Christian one of Jesus heaing people and walking on water.... the Jews can say the parting of the sea and revelation on Mount Sinai is better than anything in Christianity and Islam because those two religions depend on Judiasm, and the athiests can say none of it counts as evidence, it is just mythology and so forth. After that it gets messy because people might say well lets use the evidence of morality as a guide... then argue and often go to war over whose version of morality is best! And when converting from one religion to another, one is judging the ''new' option with a bunch of values and style of resoanings which was cultivated in another tradition, so there will always be something of an odd perspective. I could never know something like Taoism or Zoroastrianism ''from within'' the way somebody who grew up in it could. it's a mine-field..! :)
Well thought out comment!
Even fraternities have tests to show allegiance.
But no, religions should accept you if you mumble something three times. Go figure.
@@ProdYafa But see, the absolute truth is the existence of one God (and even that is Judaism of today).
The way to worship Him is by following 613 commandmants if you're Jewish,
or by following the 7 laws of Noah if you aren't.
You're looking at this in the lens of a universal religion like Christianity, but Judaism is simply not that, it's first and foremost a tribe that you belong in.
Moreover, Judaism isn't just about believing, but doing. This is also the Christianity point of view speaking.
This is the same as the intent for process of becoming a citizen of a nation. You can't contribute to the nation you join unless you first understand that nation
@Corey Gil-Shuster
I'm loving the relaxing intro music
1. So they know what the life is about and understand the rules and rituals.
2. So they know this is what they really want and convert for the right reasons.
By securing all these they try to minimize the amount of people who misrepresent or would later abandon the life because they didn't know what it was or found out that it didn't fit them.
Jewish children don't check off your list.
I was questioned extensively and it took a year of classes and outside participation and a sponsor to convert to Catholicism but no one ever mentions that.
Being Jewish is not a label or smoked salmon on a Sunday morning
I’m going through the process now. A lot of reading. A lot of “Showing up “ . I don’t see it as difficult. I see it as necessary. Count on investing at least a year of your life to the process. It’s not a large price to pay for gifts I feel are too numerous to count.
Really, I think this is much better to surround yourself with the vast texts,practices & community of the religion, then become a member of it after feeling content you know enough of it and doing it wholeheartedly,
then first becoming a member of a religion, only then learning.
I think of it as passing a driver's test on the first try, but you feel you got lucky - you'll always doubt your driving,
as opposed to passing on the 2nd or 3rd - where you feel confident and that you earned it.
Especially in the case of Judaism, there's a lot of doing, so "showing up" to learn by seeing, and reading to understand the why behind it.
I salute you.
It sounds like you are going through a Reform, not Orthodox, conversion. Orthodox conversions are very demanding, much more than showing up. Today in the United States, for an Orthodox conversion, you will be required to move into an Orthodox Jewish neighborhood. It does not matter if you have to move to another city or whether you can afford it. You can only learn to be part of the Orthodox Jewish community by participating in it.
@@stephenfisher3721 I think you're quick to judge. Showing up literally means learning from experience, by being part of the community
@@stephenfisher3721 Conservative, actually. It’s by no means easy. I’m a physician and I feel like I’m back in medical school (where you feel overwhelmed all the time?) And you’re right. More than anything I’m working to build my Jewish Life. I’ll have to get there when I get there, I guess
Hey, sorry, when did the change with the music and the audio happen? I liked the previous style better, gave off a more natural, street-interview vibe... This one feels too... Idk, commercial-like imo.
The last guy at the end of the video is a lucky guy. Nuff said.
Interesting. I find it similar to joining native american tribes , where you have to undergo difficult rituals to show that you are serious about joining the tribe.... so only a few non native americans have ever joined the tribes.....
I mean, Judaism was originally the religon of the tribes of Israel, so I guess converting to Judaism would have been the same as joing one of the tribes.
@@neshirst-ashuach1881 Except that a convert to Judaism does not receive a portion from amongst the tribes.
There is a notion that G-d offered Torah to all people around the world and the only people that fully agreed (we will hear/we will do) were the Jews. However, in all people there were many people that wanted to accept Torah. It is these people that "return" to Judaism subsequently through conversion. So, in a sense, the process affirms that they are who they are and it is almost a trial that moves them back in time to their essence. Just a thought!
@@ShaniHodia-wr3ebCorrect, but you missed the point. There were other people that were in the minority within their tribe/group that also accepted, but they did not accept in entirety, thus G-d did not reveal Torah to them.
@rugbyrob A valid point and opinion!
@@ShaniHodia-wr3eb I heard that inyan in Yeshiva almost 30 years ago. I will try to find a source for you.
@@ShaniHodia-wr3ebThe original source for God offering the Torah to the Nations is Midrash Sifri (Deuteronomy 34.3). learned from Devarim 33:2 "He appeared from Mt. Paran" i.e. Ishmael's mountain, having just "got back", so to speak, from offering it to them and the rest of the world (see Sifrei Devarim 343). Sifrei Devarim 343 - He offered it to every nation. It is understood that everyone in every nation was aware of this. Some have put forward that some converts come from those individuals in the nation who, unlike the majority, did accept it then. I have learned from my teachers that the Torah was offered to all the nations. Just as Israel is a Mamlechet Kohanim (a nation of priests), had they accepted the Torah, the other nations would have become a Mamlechet Leviim (a nation of levites) whose job would be to assist Israel. This is similar to the internal pyramid model of kedusha that Israel has (Yisrael - Levi - Cohen - Cohen Gadol). Bilaam (and Balak) had an opportunity to welcome Am Yisrael and become the last nation to be offered the Torah. Bilam refused by stating "am levadad yishkon" (it is a nation that will dwell in solitude). His, was the last nation to refuse the torah.
@@ShaniHodia-wr3eb I learned this in Yeshivah -- the "Eruv Rev" -- in Rashi's commentary are converts. You should read this before saying lash hora.
Because Jews are a nation with a particular religion. The process would be more akin to getting French or American nationality. One has to learn the language, the history, customs and laws, and then later it becomes official
Jewdaism is not like islam or Christianity that seek to convert every. Mostly to be a jew you have to be born into or become very devoted in learning a new culture. Its not like Christianity where the minimum requirement is to proclaim a creed
The reason it takes a long time is because Israel is not a religion but a people
Nothing worthwhile in life is easy.
Rarely it is mentioned but these people who are in beit din , the Jewish court , are the most trusted in the community - they also feel responsibility for the convert . If the conversion is too easy - it will be a sin for them . If you are not so religious - there are less strict streams than orthodoxy . I know people who after 10 years still believe that they are close to become "the real Jews" , but some of the converts also completely loose the interest in judaism after converting . As a Jewish person I like judaism and the hebrew culture , but I feel sorry for the people that want to be recognized as Jews so much... why would anyone want to please few grumpy people ?
You're view of it is completely upside down.
These are not "grumpy people".
If you want to be a US citizen, sure, you have to take tests, and learn the anthem, and be even more knowledgable and patriotic than the average American - In the eyes of a few grumpy officials.
Otherwise, with no gatekeepers - what does it even mean to be Jewish?
If anyone can be German in an instant - what does being German even mean?
Moreover, once somebody is considered Jewish by the Beit Din (Jewish court) - they are fully Jewish. Forever.
That's why, there's no "after 10 years they're close to being the real Jews", once you're in, you're in.
And precisely because of that, the "grumpy people" have to be sure that you really want to be in for the right reasons.
@@davidtrak2679 but judaism doesn't belong to jews, it belongs to HASHEM. If HASHEM wants everyone to convert then so be it.
@@Malkiel1968 Judaism is the Jewish/Israelite's way of worshipping Hashem.
The way for everyone else is through the 7 Laws of Noah.
Judaism was never intended for anyone outside the Jewish tribe. Monotheism was.
When God asked around what nation would worship him, Jews said "We will do it, and we will hear it" - meaning they agreed to it before hearing what it takes.
@@davidtrak2679If my great grandmother through the matrilineal line was Jewish am I?
@@lzlz21213 So long as there is a direct matrilineal line.
So if your great grandmother was Jewish by mother - the father does not matter,
and it was her daughter that birthed your mother, you're Jewish.
female Jewish great-great grandmother
female Jewish great grandmother
female Jewish grandmother
female Jewish mother
you - Jewish.
If along this line there was a father, not a mother, then no.
Male fathers form a different kind of lineage in Judaism - to which tribe you belong (nowadays, Kohanim, Levi, rest of Israel) which is less important since the Jewish Temple was destroyed.
If you genuinely want to convert, you can. However, we are interested in quality rather than quantity. It's a way of filtering out people who are just "going through a stage."
Besides, how can you join our nation without learning our history, values, laws, etc.?
Parenthetically, the fact that converting is so difficult is the reason why we respect converts. We didn't ask you to join us; we made it very difficult, and tried repeatedly to convince you out of it. If after all that, you went through a rigorous course in Jewish education and changed your whole life because of your conviction, this engenders a lot of respect.
Judaism, different from Christianity and Islam, does not ask people born in an another religion to convert. In this is more similar to Buddhism than to Christanity or Islam.
Sorry to take so long to reply. You are right Hashem things. Still forming my words for a reply in full. Your a good man, not many around
Good answers.
Converting to Judaism is not just accepting a creed. The convert first has to join the Jewish nation/people and accept Jewish history as their history and Jewish destiny as their destiny. Their entire identity changes. They become the son or daughter of Abraham and Sarah.
After fully joining the nation they must accept our eternal covenant. Judaism is not a religion (no word for religion in Hebrew- the beliefs of the non Jews are referred to as the strangers ways in our Torah). Religion is man made - Judaism simply means being like the Judeans which was how the Greco Roman world described us. Judaism is simply the name used in modern times to describe our eternal covenant that was established between G-d and the Jewish nation
It's really quite simple: the truth isn't something you stumble upon easily, and holding onto it is even tougher. That's why many rabbis put converts through the wringer, testing them over and over, all to uncover their true motivations for converting. If their desire isn't rooted in a genuine yearning for the truth, the kind that comes from deep understanding and countless hours of seeking, they won't make the cut.
Here's a life lesson for you: anything that's handed to you on a silver platter tends to lack real worth and won't stand the test of time. The truth, my friend, is a hard-fought journey.
Mostly true what happens when they make a mistake
And if converts don't make the cut, then the mohel won't either! 😎
@@charlesregan9917 We do our best to avoid mistakes and trust God to help.
Everyone makes mistakes: are you referring to the rabbis who convert people who aren't suited, or do you mean if someone wants to convert and regrets it, or....? Can you please clarify your question?@@charlesregan9917
But a 3 year old Jewish kid has deeper understanding of the truth than a person wanting to convert right?
This is one of the most articulate and intelligent article comment sections I have ever run across. I’ve worked to hard to become an atheist and plan to stay that way.
I guess it all depends on what 'converting to Judaism' means to the orthodox. Today, it generally means that one must become a totally different person, _culturally_ . And that's the part that is considered to be hard and tough. Why? Because you cannot become a person you are (culturally) not.
On a -biblical- tenach basis though, converting to Judaism means accepting the God of Israel as the sole incorporeal God of the world and as the sole authority over your life by accepting and doing what He wants you to do. And that is not hard and tough at all, that's easy.
I think you actually can become a different person culturally, why not? There are so many examples of people integrating in a new society very nicely!
Im an ex-Muslim who finished converting ti Judaism 4 years ago. It was a 3 year process and was the best decision I made. The reason why it takes so long is bwcause Judaism believes that you dont have to be a good or miral perosn to be Jewish and because God made you not Jewish for a reason and God does not make mistakes with regards to creating ones religion, gender etc. Conversion should be the exception not the rule....
I would love to hear your story. Do you have any social media where you share your experience?
So, you were originally born as a Palestinian Muslim, and now you've embraced Judaism? Have you obtained Israeli citizenship as well? Additionally, do you believe that if all Palestinians were to convert to Judaism, it would bring about peace? I'm eager to hear your response. Cheers!
@@ahmedmahrotos2335 He does not indicate he is a Palestinian nor that he lives in Israel. A close friend of mine is an ex-Muslim. He was born in Kenya, moved to the US at 19 and has made his life there. His is the only Muslim wedding I've been to! It was lovely.
He's considered himself an atheist for a while now, and it's been hard because of social pressures. But this happens in many traditional societies; it's not a Muslim thing.
אשרייך
Congratulations and thank you for sharing your story!
Yet if you are born to a Jewish mother(father in some places), you are automatically jewish even if you choose to not have a religious lifestyle
true, but you are over a lot of sins
That's because of the definition of who is a Jew, which is based on the Torah.
That's also why technically Judaism isn't a religion.
Not father only if born to Jewish mother.
@@LiranBarsisawhat does that even mean?? A Muslim must have a Muslim father; does that mean that Islam isn’t a religion. You’re stoopit!
So there can be jews that do not believe in Torah while at the same time there can be non jews that believe in Torah. 😂😂
I guess the question is how do you define "difficult". Judaism is more about deeds and less about beliefs. From the American perspective, it could be complicated. We have 3 main denominations with different rules. The Orthodox don't recognize Conservative and Reform (and some Orthodox), the Conservatives don't recognize some Reform... For Orthodox conversion, you may need to move to an area close to the shul... In Israel, you don't have that problem, there are synagogues everywhere. Also, I don't know about any other conversion in Israel except the Orthodox. So, I guess maybe it's a little bit easier. However, I don't think that people in Israel understand all the challenges that convert may be facing in the US.
It's equally about beliefs and deeds. That's why you need to be close to learn, and do, by observing.
I know some about Christianity, and I can continue learning about it in a philosophical manner. If I accept Christ as my saviour, perhaps a little ceremony, bam, I'm Christian.
Judaism requires you to DO stuff, so you can't just read about it. And the first level of BELIEVING, is also a lot more than "accept Christ then learn at your own pace and attend service once a week".
@@davidtrak2679While there are some basic nonnegotiable Jewish beliefs, Jews are not interrogated about belief. To say Judaism is half belief and half deed seems misleading. Did you daven? Did you put on tefillin? Did you make a bracha? These are all questions Orthodox Jews might be reasonably asked by another Jew. But, What do you believe about revelation at Sinai? is not asked. And within the Orthodox world, there are many acceptable and differing opinions as to belief. Was the Zohar written by Shimon bar Yohai? Which kabbalistic ideas do you believe? Is a certain Midrash literally true? How do you regard a certain rabbi?
Conversion to Judaism is not and should not be easy, because it is a real change to your life. You are not just joining a faith but a distinct and often oppressed people. Once a Jew, you are always a Jew. You are far better off spiritually as a good non-Jew who keeps the seven Noahide laws ("Keep the seven and go to heaven") than as a lapsed Jew who no longer keeps the commandments of the Torah. Usually there is a process of going through and leaving "Mitzraim" as the original Israelites had to go through. You really do receive a new G-d given soul at the mikvah at the moment of conversion, before three shomer shabbat Jewish men (usually rabbis).
However, it should be fair, and sadly the dice are usually loaded against you, and one size does not fit all in terms of length of the process. If, as I did, as a direct descendant of a Jewish family on my father's side, you come into Judaism experientially (in my case involving an amazing spiritual journey with a lot of direct intervention by G-d Himself) then the agony that so many genuine converts are forced to experience while waiting to become what they desperately need to be with all their heart and soul can literally become unbearable when you are forced to wait many months or even years before you can come home to be what you are truly supposed to be - a Jew. During that time your life is also essentially on hold. You can't marry and you can't have children if you are not yet married, which can be devastating to women who have limited years in which they can actually have children. (Think what would have happened to Ruth if she were forced to go through today's bureaucratic obstacles: King David and the future moshiach would not exist!)
Personally I was tested to the very limit of my endurance by a frankly unpleasant dayan, a political appointee who should never have been put in that position, who thanks to a false accusation wrongly believed I was a Christian missionary. Nothing could have been further from the truth, but with help I was forced to go over his head and in fact it was, among other high ranking rabbis, the then Chief Rabbi of Haifa, Rabbi Shear Yeshuv Cohen, who is now no longer in this world, who opened the door to allow me actually to be fairly assessed by an objective beit din and finally end what had become a nightmare of deeply draining and also physically and emotionally damaging psychological torture.
So make sure the dayanim are the best people morally and ethically for the job, judge the length of time needed to convert according to each individual person and their actual path - one size does not and never should fit all - and also make sure that ex-Christians, especially ex-Christian women, can assess the genuine commitment of each potential convert before coming in front of a beit din, to weed out anyone who really is seeking to convert for wrong motives.
Wow, you should write a book, you write very well and with passion,
("Keep the seven and go to heaven") Thanks for the chuckles.
"Oppressed' Isreal kicks in
@@AfundamentalistMusim Come on! If Jews didn't exist, you guys would have to invent them, to stop you all from killing one another. You couldn't help yourself, could you? Being that the Koran, Islam and Muslim people are mostly all obsessed with the universal Jew! You know something, Jews pay little attention to other faiths, people of other faiths and what other faiths are doing. We don't need to prove others wrong to make us right and the only time other faiths and belief systems come up, is when we are suffering some oppression at their hands. The only Jews that have any real understanding of other religions and their opinions are those Jews that are involved in comparative religious studies or Interfaith dialogue.
It's not uncommon for young children under the age of 8, within Orthodox Jewish Communities in the U.S.A. to believe that everyone in the world is Jewish as that is all that they see and hence makes up their worldview. Shalom!
Once a Jew always a Jew? Are you 100% sure nobody ever converted to Judaism, changed his or her mind and converted back again to some other religion or conviction? That would be a real divine miracle!
The Lubavitcher Rebbe brings up this exact point. The answer that is given is simple. The main reason a person converts to Judaism is personal. They feel that they are lacking something and that being a jew will give them purpose and meaning. According to the Bible a convert is one of 4 individuals that extra special care needs to be given to. The reason why is cause they had it easy but chose on their iwn to take on the burden of being more stringent in their life. Also in bigger perspective, for one to be externally blessed a jew has to keep 613 rules a non jew has 7. A non jew who keeps the 7 noahide laws can be saved as well. Interesting to point out that in Judaism even non jews can enter the kingdom of heaven. No other religion believes that. We as jews don't need nor do we want to add people. There is no purpose to it as any individual can be " saved "
Become unlike other religions, converting to Judaism is more like becoming part of the Tribe.
It's really odd because in Yevamot (Talmud) it's a very simple process and in the Tanakh is very simple a bris (circumcision), hell Ruth would be rejected even if she arrived at a Israeli airport the rabbis wouldn't think she went though a Halachic conversion
Because it’s not a « conversion » it’s a wrong traduction of the Hebrew concept, the right one would be « assimilation ». « Ger » comes from the root to settle, to settle as a foreigner in a nation. You have to fully assimilate to the Jewish nation and not just trust in our faith
@ionah Not entirely true. There are two types of Geriim (converts). There is the Ger Toshav and the Ger Tzedek. The Ger Toshav type is dependant on the Land Of Israel and refers to someone, a foreigner, that settles amongst the Tribes Of Israel or amongst the Jewish people in The Land Of Israel. The Ger Tzedek (convert of righteousness) refers to the convert that becomes Jewish and hence part of (the Nation Of Israel), taking on the yoke of the Torah, with all of it's commandments. This can happen anywhere in the world where there is a Jewish Rabbinical Court (Beit Din). After that they can live anywhere, though it is preferred that you live within an observant Jewish community.
@@michaelsmullen9891 that’s what I’m saying. In sociology a ger toshav is the processus of “integration” and a ger tsedek is the processus of “assimilation” which is not the same thing. Someone who integrate is someone who accepted in public some values and social-cultural codes/structures of a culture but keep his own culture in private. Someone who assimilate is someone who do that but also in private and not only in public. If you want to convert to judaisme (Ger tsedek) you have to accepte all the values and socio-cultural codes in public AND in private, so in other terms : assimilate.
@@ionah7187 So we are agreed then. you from your Sociology background and I from my Observant background! Shalom
@@michaelsmullen9891 I’m observant too but it’s good to have an “extern analysis” on some process of Judaism to put in context and explain concept. Shalom !
Corey please get rid of the background music you've recently added to your videos. Absolutely wrecks the vibe and makes me feel like I'm watching a cooking video.
Non-Jews are required to keep the 7 commandments of Bene-Noah / Noachides, according to the Jewish tradition. And it's enough. Jews are supposed to be "a nation of priests" (see the book of Exodus chapter 19) so they have more obligations.
Halachly there are technically only 2 requirements to convert to Judaism (for men) and 1 requirement for women.
These are immersion in a Mikvah before a Bein Din, and circumcision (for men). That's it.
Studying Torah for 1/2 years is strongly recommended, but it's technically not required by Jewish law. The Hasmoneans converted adjacent conquered people using the above mentioned requirements.
Conversion in Israel is a little more "relaxed" than the U.S, typically because most converts are immigrants. Conversion in the U.S is a little too thorough in my opinion, and I'm Orthodox.
With that being said, people must know the weight of Torah, and what accepting it means. It's a huge responsibility and privilege. Doing anything else would be dishonest.
Your comment is self contradictory.
You're talking "halakhically", then you mention the Hasmoneans converting the Edomites to Judaism.
The Halakha is not today what it was 2000 years ago. It evolves, slowly, but it does.
No Hasmonean would even understand the word "halakha".
Not to mention, once the converts are accepted in society, and keep the Torah, they are Jews through and through. And it seems the Edomites were.
That's the entire concept of the "1-2 years" - you being able to appreciate what your'e taking on yourself, and you being integrated into the community.
Nothing is "a requirement", as Ruth converted without a Mikvah, and some USSR-hailing Jews aren't circumcised, but are still considered Jews -
It's just that we live in a modern world, and making sure somebody is serious about something always involves these steps nowadays.
You can know all the physics you want, but they still require you to sit 4 years in engineering classes to get a diploma.
@@davidtrak2679 I agreed with just about everything you said.
@@EzraB123 I just don't like this modern narrative of "you only need mikvah".
I don't know where you're from, but in Israel it's sometimes used as a way to butt the Rabbinate for its conversion procedure.
So in a sense, it's untrue, the whole process is required, not just mikvah or circumcision.
In another sense, even that is not really required - Ruth just said "Your people, my people, your God, my God".
It's like saying to become a US citizen all you need to do is land in New York -
but the authorities are making it a hard time and also require a Green Card, naturalization.
Well, in the past that was the way you got citizenship, just by landing on US soil,
it's not at all feasible nowadays.
Same with Judaism, what was okay for Ruth, wasn't okay for the Edomites, which isn't okay for modern times.
And you can't constrain it to Halakha either, a concept that was unknown back then.
@@davidtrak2679 Again, I agree with everything you said. I'm just relaying what the current Rabbinical consensus is.
@@EzraB123 Great! Just wanted to further dissect it. Sorry if it came out aggressive
Whoever wanted in the end converted.
Plus Judaism is the hardest religion of all the 3 there's a way more laws than in Christianity and Islam combined but again Whoever wanted did it
Where are lot of demands ??
2. 6 billion Christians
1. 8 billion Muslims
Jewish People are way, way less -- why?
To show that it's not by dint of numbers that you hold sway -- but by the power of your beliefs and ideas.
"Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war anymore" - Isaiah 2:4
Because every religion has difficult rules and demands. Also the so called scholars made it even complicated. I have my own struggles practicing my faith.
@@ShaniHodia-wr3eb Keep sleeping 😊
I still don’t understand why it’s difficult to convert to Judaism. Ok, so you must be fully committed to Judaism, but isn’t this similar to people who converted to Islam? People who become Muslims are expected to be committed to Islam. Also, if going against the rules in Judaism is such a concern for them, then what about religious jews who sins too?
To convert to Islam, you don't have to learn Arabic. Most Muslims have no idea what the Quran really says in Arabic. It takes 10 minutes and the Shahada to convert to Islam, it takes study of Jewish history, culture, language, history, law, festivals, and heritage. It takes 1 to 3 years of study to be accepted into the Jewish people.
When you convert to Judaism, you’re not just converting to a religion. You are literally joining a People. A tribe. Jews are an ethnic group. Judaism is an ethnoreligion.
This is why, when you convert, you actually gain a new name. _____son/daughter of Abraham/Sarah. Because your biological parents are no longer connected to you from a Jewish standpoint. Because you are now part of this people. You are adopted.
If you are a Christian and you don’t believe in God, you’re not a Christian.
If you’re Muslim, and you don’t believe in Allah, you’re not a Muslim.
If you’re a Jew and you don’t believe in God, you’re a secular Jew. But you’re still a Jew.
Most conversion courses take about a year. You have to be very serious about it. You have to study the prayers in Hebrew. You have to study the blessings. You have to study the holidays. You have to study the Bible and the history. You have to study kosher. You have to study Family purity. You have to study Shabbat.
It’s very difficult.
When you are done, you go before the Beit Din. A Religious Court.
If they decide that you pass, and you know enough, and you are sincere, then, if you are a guy, you get circumcised, and then you immerse in the mikvah.
When you convert, you are opening the way for more sins, yes. And that is concerning. Judaism asks for much much more than islam. It's not even comparable.
Keeping the Sabbath/festivals, kosher (which is much harder than Halal), and all the other ritual laws.
The idea is when you are jewish you are more culpable for punishment, and therefore you should be really dedicated, someone who is religious and sinning is also an issue, but that wasn't the question, and there no concept that non jews are being punished for being non jews
Judaism is non-proselytizing. It does not aim to expand. If you're Jewish, stay Jewish. If you aren't, that's great as well.
If you're so eager to join us - first of all, why would you? It's hard work keeping the 613 Jewish commandmants. But if you're stubborn, proving your real intent, you can join.
It's only difficult if you do it in a traditional way, most rich american who convert, do it within a few weeks or even days and without any difficulty and they are still accepted by most Jews as Jewish afterwards.
Thanks for the video. Oh wow so funny dude says "There's no way back"
Judaism is non-proselytizing. It does not aim to expand. If you're Jewish, stay Jewish. If you aren't, that's great as well.
If you're so eager to join us - first of all, why would you? It's hard work keeping the 613 Jewish commandmants. But if you're stubborn, proving your real intent, you can join.
Later religions mostly aim to expand, and aren't ethnic at all - but universal.
Jewish people are tribal societal people. During biblical times, there are many tribes who joined the tribes of israel for example Ruth the ancestress of King David. She was a Moabite, she said to her mother in law, wherever you go I will go, wherever you live I will live, wherever you die, I will die. Your people are my people, your God will be my God. This is the testament of an ancient tribal system that put emphasis on neutralisation to become united with the people you want to be part with.
It is not a religion that wants to proselyte for the sake of faith in certain figure in order to benefit salvation like Christianity. It is about being part of a peoplehood.
Remember the father in law of Moses is Jethro the Kenites who brought along the Rechabites to unite with Israelites. This is a foundation mythology to show how the ancient people made a pact between themselves. They intermarried and lived together to become one people.
When Judaism evolve, this becomes known as conversion process. In this modern era, why would a person wants to convert out of interest when it is about a way of life. That is why it is important to see how really they want to be part of the jewish people.
And usually those who want to be part of it are the ones with Jewish heritage anyway. They have deep commitment because their souls are always within the people of Israel. For example many people from Argentina are descendants of bnei anusim or the marranos whose ancestors forced to convert to Catholicism during the Inquisition. And here in Israel many Russians who came here are not halachically Jewish because they may have Jewish grandparents but their mother is not Jewish so they want to be part of the Am Yisrael. They have the commitment so they endure the process.
Depends on the group within Judaism. For instance, the Syrian Jewish community will not convert people and do not accept people who converted even if that person did it the proper, kosher, orthodox way. The UTJ/Gimel party people do not want converts. But conversion would not be a hassle if they did the Rambam suggested in his Mishne Torah. That method is much easier, but hey who listens to the Rambam anyway. Current conversion both in the states and Israel is politically charged and also socially...that is if you have a lot of money, a good job, stable family...many communities will accept you as you might have something to give back. If not, it is much for difficult and even if you do convert properly, there is always, at least one person in shul who will not accept you...especially if you do not have the right pedigree.
That's because there are many insincere converts today. Either intentionally or unintentionally.
The Syrian community had this as a major issue and so over a century ago they banned converts.
UTJ/gimel/shas also don't want converts - you are correct. That's because most converts in Israel do so for social reasons. They're mostly Russians and ethiopians who immigrated and want to marry other Jews. So there is opposition in light of those facts.
@@meirtt Let God sort out the sincere ones, I am not a gatekeeper. I have met Orthodox men and women who can rival the insincere ones. Some of them are real pieces of work.
@@jamesrowland9982 I wouldn't want the Jewish community to become full of low-quality and potentially not-sincere Jews.
Somebody who is born a Jew has a lineage and can revert back to being religious. But there is no use in converting someone unless they are truly connected to Judaism. The two are not related to one another.
Yes,correct, if you have a lot of money for donations to the rabbis and the synagogue they will accept you or at least they will pretend you are one of them. If not ...then it's not nice. Sometimes they will not accept your kids in the Jewish schools, sometimes they won't help you perform a ceremony. There are many ways to make you feel unwanted. The worst thing in conversion in Israel is that they send the woman to do a pregnancy test if she wants to get married and she is a convert and the ordinary Jewish Israeli girls don't have to do that ,even the not religious.
I think that is difficult because rabbis want to test the purity of that soul. They want to make sure that people don't convert for money issues, marriage with jews men and for other superficial reasons.
Judaism is not a religion but a way of life with the fulfillment of the 613 commandments of the Almighty.
Jews know that Paradise is open to all those who observe the 7 commandments of Noah and do not harm the Jewish people.
Jews are not engaged in missionary work, on the contrary, the rabbi is obliged to refuse the applicant 3 times. and the Giyur is not for 3 minutes, but the process for 3 years
Did I understand correctly that it is especially difficult for a Russian national to convert? If yes, why?
Just memorizing, the book of Isaiah would take me two years
Being Jewish means attaining the sensation of two contrasting forces in nature, the egoistic force, which is our human nature, and its opposite altruistic force, which is the force of nature itself.
The attainment of these two forces define the people who, first under Abraham, developed this sensation of reality. They became known as the people of Israel, and later, as the Jews.
At a certain point, around 2.000 years ago, we lost the sensation of the two forces and lived solely in the egoistic force. That is the meaning of being in exile.
Exile has no geographic connotations, i.e. that we left some geographic Land of Israel and now we return to it. It is rather a matter of an inner exile, that we do not host the sensation of the altruistic nature, i.e. the quality of love, bestowal and connection, between us. When we fell from this sensation, we then entered our period of exile and ceased to exist as the people of Israel.
If it’s difficult to become a Jew because it’s hard and demanding to live up to what it is to be Jewish then what about the totally secular Jewish people who don’t follow the commandments or kosher rules or prayer etc? I think there are many. Have they forfeited their “Jewishness” because just like non Jews, they aren’t living the Jewish life?
If someone is born a Jew they remain a Jew whether they say one prayer or eat shrimp, cheeseburgers and lobster, they are still Jews. You don't descend from different people when you follow the rules or not.
They still goona be Jewish no matter what
Im not jewish I'm muslim but i have the answer
-why it's difficult to convert to Judaism?
-Answer: Because if you convert to Judaism you have to practise the pray, reading torah, fasting, speaking hebrew....... and so many other reasons and it's because if you left your religion to convert to Judaism shows you are a weak believer and they don't want any bad person or faithless people into thier religion and that's why when you tell a rabi that you want to convert he tells you no stay in your religion unlike Islam that even let's prisoners and killers into their religion which is a big shame for all Muslims because as a muslim even im islamophobic now 🤦♀️
There are good people everywhere. Remember, those who don't abide by the religious rules (i.e. killers), of Islam or Christianity, aren't really of that religion. Only on paper
dont have to speak hebrew
Ur not a Muslim stop lying😂
@@crazybot5303 😜😜
@@crazybot5303 That's typical. Just deny what does not fit with your world view
How easy is a jew who never pratrice judaism convert to judaism? In Portugal there's a few of "jew's" that they are call "Marranos" which they where/are from jew descend, never practice judaism roots where cut but some habits where never gain from the "locals". Sefaradis in Portugal are common a lot don't now a lot are very mix. Chears love ur channel!! Thanks
We would assume somewhere in there there was a non Jewish mother and they need to convert. We might be more open from the start, but they have the same expectations of practice that any other convert would have.
A Jew who was born a Jew does not need to convert.
If down the whole line of lineage, all mothers are Jewish, there is no need (or ability) to convert.
They are already Jewish.
Now they only need to learn.
But for Marranos, obviously many of them in Spain, for the most part there has been a mother outside the Jewish community for most of them, I think, so that requires converting.
By the way, those born of Jewish father are not Jewish, but it is encouraged to convert them if they want. I dont believe we push them away the same way at all. So there is that small difference if father is Jewish.
The maranos are not Jewish. They might have used to be. But today it's nothing more than an oral tradition that they came from jewish ancestors. That doesn't make them Jewish.
that last girl is a baddie for sure
Because it is not about are maker but about politics
Why you think joining a fraternity is so hard? There are hazing rituals for exclusivity.
I guess it’s based on your ancestry, no matter what part of the world
An old friend of mine converted. He taught himself Hebrew, was a Torah reader at our local Chabad for years...but something happened, he gave it up and converted to Islam. He told me that he was not happy at what he called the Ashkenaz influence to Mizrachi and Sephardi Jews exclusion of their heritage. He hated the word Yiddishkeit. He would spend hours in the shul reading books and came to conclusion that all his fellow Jews just looked for loopholes so they would not have to do, believe, etc what was written. He told me he did not see much difference from the Reform and the Orthodox being picky about what mitzvot to do. In short, he embraced Islam as he said it is purer than Judaism. That was years ago, and with Hebrew he taught himself Arabic. He tells me he is much happier and he never had to prove his beliefs to a Muslim...only to Jews and their shul politics.
salam to him. Allah guides whomever he wills
Maybe, something was lacking in Judaism that caused him to go Islam. It works for him...as for me, no. I just do my own thing reliously and mostly ignore people who try to control and or put me down. I cannot be angry with him because he is a good man and helped me immensely and for that he has my gratitude@@kayf_ahmad
I have been told that one reason that Orthodox Jewish conversion takes so long is to make sure that that the person is stable and not just making an emotional decision they will regret later. Obviously as with your friend, regret still happens. I wonder what percentage of Orthodox Jewish converts revert or change to something else compared to conversions to other groups. I know of a number of Protestants who are continually changing denominations. Believe it or not, people state they watched a couple UA-cam videos and then converted to that religion. Of course, to be an evangelical Protestant it does not seem to require any knowledge, just profess a belief in the saving grace of Jesus Christ, the only begotten son of God who died on the cross. There are of course other beliefs you must accept as everything is centered on belief. Many evangelicals I talk to seem quite lacking in knowledge about Christianity. They seem to think nothing happened from The Book of Acts until today. If I ask them about the Crusades or the Inquisition or the Church Fathers, they shrug it off and say it is not them, that's the ROMAN Catholics. They love to say that they only follow the words of God and not the words of man, yet they have similar ways of talking, dressing, music, and politics that do not come from the Bible but are comon to the group. It is especially funny when born again Christians from Africa or Asia or the Middle East sound and act like they are from the Bible Belt USA. One good thing about Orthodox Jewish conversions is quality control. Christianity not only accepts but delights in saving convicts, criminals, drug addicts, drunkards, perverts, adulterers, sex fiends, meth heads, molesters, and prostitutes. In my town, Christians are constantly giving testimony of how Jesus saved them and try to outdo each other how depraved they had been. Frankly, I feel relieved these people are not Jews. It is fine by me if the Jews are are from law abiding, well adjusted families.
The mental gymnastics used to justify this are simply absurd.
So converting to Judaism, for non-Jews, takes a long time because you need to make sure the person is committed and knows the practices because it might be difficult; but when you're Jewish, it isn't?!
Also, if you actually believe that this is the only true religion from God, wouldn't you _want_ to spread the word so that more people follow God's word and be saved?!
@@ShaniHodia-wr3ebBla bla bla
@ShaniHodia-wr3eb Lol
You think I care what _you_ have to say? I'd get more substance speaking to a wall. Use artificial intelligence next time since you clearly lack a natural one.
@@ShaniHodia-wr3eb,,כרגיל ביהדות הכל אסור. As usual, in Judaism almost everything is forbidden. It is a terrible religion
Being saved is a Christian concept only. There is no need for anyone to be saved. There is no reason for everyone to be Jewish.
Islam* is Judaism but for non Jews, and you don't lose Jesus!
*Meaning: Submission to God
"Those who believe and do good, for them is happiness (in life), and a beautiful place of return (after death.)" - Quran 13:29
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As a Christian I also need to reject Jesus and Mary too , to become jewish, yes?
Absolutely. But Judaism is not a missionary religion. You should only convert if you are interested in joining the Jewish people and its traditions.
As a Jew you accept 3000+ years of tradition and authority. As Jesus wasn't accepted by the rabbis of each generation (because he's considered a false messiah), you're going against your tradition of 3000 years if you believe him to be something else than just a guy.
Certainly it's considered idoltarous if you worship him as a god, if you believe in the Trinity, and if you believe God to have fathering him - God is without body in Judaism, uncapable of fathering.
Looking at his sayings for the philosophical, humane aspects of it, not the religious, certainly not the ones the gospels later added (like cancelling the commandmants), shouldn't be a problem, though some would say it is.
He's a guy, one that did some forbidden stuff, and led to deaths of thousands of Jews, not a messiah and definitely not a God-fathered god.
Yes
@@davidtrak2679 I always struggled with the fact that christians call him God ....and in church I never felt well whenever the crowd literally prayed to him as being the Almighty. But I can t reject him as a person who was sent by God and who was healing ppl with the permission of God (the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob) ....so I am confused . I talked to some Muslims....and their understanding of Jesus and God is different . They emphasize the Oneness of the God of Abraham and they compare Jesus to the prophet Moses....who was sent by God and acted according to God s will.
@@misdnouaria2049 Yeah, very much, not a God (some Chritstins do not believe that), not a son of God (some do not believe that either, it sprung up early but it sprung up), but a prophet doing deeds.
Jews also believe he did deeds, and it's inrefuteable he acted like a prophet and a leader - but they believe they were false deeds, not sent from God, but wrong.
The way Judaism distinguishes between prophets, specifically the messiah and false prophets and messiahs (we've had a bunch of those) is by a set of rules.
Since Jesus did forbidden stuff (certain deeds), and he (at least eventually led) to the uprooting of the commandmants - Christianity teaches you don't have to do things written in the Torah like eating kosher, but just to believe things -
then he's a false messiah all along.
A real messiah would conduct himself within the realm of what's permissible.
tribalism
Because it’s an ethnicity and you can’t change that
The parts of the world in which Jews lived were overrun by Christianity and Islam. Christianity and Islam were/are state religions. That means in part, that the status of non-state church/mosque members is outside of the protection of society, at risk of being eliminated. In Christianity/Islam, apostasy, leaving the state church, is a death penalty crime. Think about leaving the Communist Party in today's North Korea.
Angry mobs, incited by priests/ imams, do not always make a distinction between recent converts to Judaism and long-time followers. Both are disloyal to the Christian/Muslim state. A charismatic rabbi, making conversions, is a pretext for mob violence. Therefore, a temporary ban on conversion to Judaism was enacted by the rabbis of the day. It was a defensive move, to protect Jewish communities in a hostile environment.
Conversion to Judaism could not be banned outright, because the Torah endorses the conversions of Seporah and Ruth to Judaism. So, medieval rabbis instituted a temporary ban on conversion, to last 1000 years. That 1000 years has lately expired.
From these responses, one can see that what began as a practical, political decision has become a matter of established practice and cultural preference.
@@ShaniHodia-wr3eb Everyone believes that his/her magic is the most powerful, that his wise men are the most wise, that his morality is the best.
Judaism is superior to Christianity/Islam in that Judaism does not require the elimination of non-members. YHWH has a place for all those who lead virtuous lives, Jewish or not. Christianity and Islam require membership as a prerequisite for a divine favor, and devalue any of the other qualities of human lives.
As a part of the ruling apparatus of warrior states, Christianity and Islam were required to rationalize the actions of conquerors, looters, rapists. Judaism lost its state long ago, and took a different path.
@@ShaniHodia-wr3eb You have an invisible friend, who you ask for favors, by using a formula. That's magic.
@@ShaniHodia-wr3ebwhy must you go bat $#it crazy about comments if you cant read english????
I m sorry,...were jacob and his descendants trully the supplanter ?
It's just gatekeeping to keep the circle "special"
we are a race of people connected by a shared DNA. if you don’t share that history with us, a history which can bring any of us to tears, then why would we allow just anyone? why allow someone to share your history when they did not experience it by blood, just for any reason? you have to truly want to experience this life
Judaism, like every belief system, is easy to deconstruct and dismantle by skeptics. The rabbis are careful of converts, especially those who come from fundamentalist backgrounds in other belief systems. They have already deconstructed their previous faith. Rabbis don't need that same energy in their synagogues.
You asked if “it should be easier to convert” from the 2 people who admitted they know absolutely nothing about it. Lol.
good, got the answer those people give
the hesitation to make it clear that judaism is largely ABOUT the redemption of the israelites and not just a "belief system" is a huge mistake.
Judaism is not really a belief system, it is a way of behaving. But what do you mean "about redemption"?
Donot mind Judaism, we have islam
@@ShaniHodia-wr3ebYou are not a nice person. You keep writing hateful and racist comments and demonstrating lack of knowledge. Stop making trouble. The Lubavitcher Rebbe said by focusing on the good, we bring more good. You keep focusing on the bad which only brings more bad. Why don't you bring goodness, love, and peace? Why do do make yourself ugly by speaking ugly words? Be the beautiful person speaking beautiful words.
Exactly! Alhamdulilah ❤
I dunno Im an arab who convert to judaism, yeah was SO diffucult.But Im not a zionist
Easy conversion works in favor of empires that spread through religion.
I’m still waiting for a video of you asking these people why they treat Christian’s the way they do? Thanks to many generations of Christian’s in the west Israel is a place but they have utter contempt for us 😂, you’re welcome for the charity Jews, a thank you would be nice
??????? What???
@@rachelsamuel3328 very simple and clear. If it were not for Christian’s fighting and loosing their lives, israel would not even exist. Seen enough videos of Jews spitting at nuns and berating Christian pilgrims, so I pose the question; why no video asking Jews what they think about how Christian’s are being treated in that land? It’s that simple. Jews, mohammedans, Druze but nothing about Christian’s and how they live.
@@wegonnafindout what have christians done to je ws ? Lets say in the last 1600 years......
@@dogbert52 protect them from being wiped out and formed a state for them to control and live in, supply them with billions of aid year after years, supply them with weapons to defend themselves and formed defence treaties that means the west will go in to war to defend them from aggressors.
@@wegonnafindoutyou must be an achmet if you are so uneducated.
yes adolf.... yes the inquisition....
Yes pogroms....
Anyways , may your family endure what you wish on je ws
It not hard to convert just follow the 613 commandments what's hard is if you work in retail and don't work on a shabbat anymore havingyour quarterly bonus cut 25% by gentile bosses
Not so bad. I was told I could never be promoted unless I worked on Saturday. In the late 1800's and first half of the 1900's, Jews were routinely fired for not working on Shabbat. Many an immigrant was not even paid for the previous days worked. Out of economic necessity, to just feed their children and have shelter, most Jewish immigrants to the United States worked on Saturday.
Wife made me give up pork, as far as I'll go 🚬🥃
Judah is a tribe and Judaism are the practices of a tribe. It's NOT a universal religion.
Its made difficult to convert to judasim, they put long and difficult processes in for gentiles but born jews who can turn out as athiest can be jews without all the demands....
You are converts to a Nation of people, not to a religion. A Jew is born a Jew, and is a Jew, no matter their beliefs.
It's more like jew can be atheist.
You have some that been and later on became religious so I don't think you can judge a person because he's an atheist for at the moment.
You never know what plans God has for him and how he'll develop
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Same can apply to a gentile who looking to converting. Its a journey, why be tested now by flawed human beings.
Personally, I am not looking to convert or to be Noahide as I love Islam, give me sakinah tranquility in my heart and soul and no offence to the jews but I find judasim theologically flawed specially concept of God (swt) and human being and God putting part of himself in Adam AS literally, which just blurrs the line between man and God too much for me, I think crosses the line into Shirk (associating partners with Allah swt). In Islam we have complete seperation of Allah swt and man and made in image of God is means not physically, we have certain qualities in less form similar to Allah swt like Mercy, we can be merciful but we cannot be Most Merciful thats for Allah swt alone. When Allah swt put a blow a spirit in Adam AS, it means blowing in a completely seperate soul into him that he created but I am not going into that right now...rather go pray and read the Quran with tea chai
Forever wearing my burka
@@Sakhan-qs2gzyes.... thats exactly how it works. Same thing with being italian . Those born italians stay italian with 0 efforts.
@dogbert52 pretty much so it can be a blessing or a curse and you choose where to take it
Did you try to get an USA citizenship? It's the same.
Its a better to be Chrsitian honestly...❤
A Muslim*. ❤😊
Beware of unearned wisdom.
- Carl Jung
our sorry
Karaims and Falasha dont have Jew roots. One is Turkic and other one is African. They are people who believe Torah . So there is convert in Judaism too.
This is the distinction of Jews from Christians and Muslims. We don’t proselytize, we don’t spread our religion by the sword. There’s a reason there are so few of us. It’s a commitment to become a Jew. You enter a covenant, just as Abraham, Isaac and Jacob did with God. We are a people and we’re not just any people.
For example the Roman Catholics do proselytize and yet converting to Roman Catholicism is a complex proces that can take 6 months up to 2 years (RCIA). It's probably shorter than the process of converting to Judaism, but still I don't think it's easy peasy just because the RCs and other Christians proselytize.
"we don’t spread our religion by the sword"
Well, there is one thing very specific to Judaism, namely the very special relationship to one specific territory. And that includes fight and desire to conquer this territory. After many centuries and despite many efforts it's safe to say that this fight has never been completelly succesful and will probably go on 'forever'.
*if muslim makes other convert by sword, not many of your jews would have lived in muslim countries. Byt jew is a jew, the anomnisty and hate is part of their gene*
*god's covenant are with the believers, didn't you it ridiculous that a secular jew wil lbe be chosen one loool*
@@adamfiser7645converting to roman catholicism takes 10 minutes. Tops. I have no idea who told you it takes any more.
I get it, you are arrogant and you think God handed you the franchise 😂
You don't spread it by sword, okay may be read your history, is that why when during the inception of Muslims you tried to eradicate them?
It's that what you did what you did to Jesus?
Truth is, all Abrahamic religion have fair share of violence
@@dogbert52exactly and roman Catholics forcefully tried converting many many people ,we Serbs know that very well ,they never leave us alone , throughout history both Vatican AND Islam tried converting us
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Those who saying we dont allow blah blah, sounds like they have a franchise from God 😂.
You dont, its between a person and the God
Christianity and Islam are missionary religions. One was done by sending messengers of the church to pagan lands, and the other by conquest. Conversion to these religions is done quickly in a short ceremony (baptism or reciting a short sentence).
Judaism on the other hand is a closed religion. You have to be born into the "club". We do not encourage people to convert to Judaism, on the contrary, we try to discourage people from doing so. If someone truly wants to convert, he has to prove his intent and dedication.
When people write with conviction like they know something, only if you knew what you are talking about..
Your ancestors killed prophets like flies.
اذا جاء المرموز اليه بطل الرمز انتعي عصر الناموس واصبح عصر النعمة لانكم شعب نقضوا العهد مع يهوه واصبح المسيحين ابناء الله
How does one become Chosen? The honest truth is that it is simple - We choose ourselves. Were anyone to wait for God to choose them theyd be disappointed since every sane reasonable person knows the Creator did the creating - geesh, after all that work you expect God to live yr life? What about free will? To be a light unto all nations you have to live a life that represents this - that manifests the light, the goodness - at the core it is that simple - love God with all your being and yr neighbors. Dont just talk about it, be about it! To say that you are born into it is only true as far as you are indoctrinated into a belief system and that may give someone a leg up but its not the whole story - maybe one could say Judaism was an ethnicity when there actually was a tribe of Judah but what then? Is there an ethnicity for 12 tribes? Of course not, it is the same sort of thinking that borders on racism - that u r somehow the same as yr ancestors or that yr lineage determines something about yr value is a set of beliefs which nobility uses to keep others down and surmises that they have a heavenly decree to rule. Im not saying that all Jews feel this way but theres definitely the seed there which some ppl tend to nourish. The relationship between the Creator and anyone is private and only God knows the heart but where we have fellowship is a choice we make and to an extent is made for us by our guardian caregivers from an early age - our beliefs, how we govern ourselves and come together to govern the multitude are different aspects and become confusing for some bc of the extent some nations have separated state & religion - so man complicated his racism by throwing legalities in the mix - for example is a non practicing Jew a Jew bc he had practicing Jewish forebears? Is an Israeli Jewish or is a Frenchman Jewish the way that one can be French and a Christian - theres obviously confusion which could easily be settled with logic and rationality but there are agendas which would rather keep ppl confused and its about to come to a head bc discrimination based on religion is tricky ground while legalities based on race for protections are preferred therefore theres an argument which says Judaism is a race. This may be ok for mythology and someplace like Israel but Thank God the entire world does not agree - we have free will to worship as we see fit, or not but whatever beliefs may be the fact remains that genetics and matriarchal lineage are only helpful with the hokey right to return law and to keep Israel a majority Jew land so if it is a race then that makes Israel an apartheid racist country while if it isn't a race then its policies are based on ignorance. Either way man does not speak for God and it is we who choose what sort of life we lead - the bible is interesting but has little to do with the price of rice in China. 1L
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Because its not the religion of moses and the israelites. Moses used to preach all the time and get people to convert. Judaism is something different for people with a superiority complex.
It is very simple really. The key questions is "Does God make mistakes?" If he doesn't then he ensured that you were born into a culture, ethnicity and religion which is perfectly designed for you and your mission in life. Converting should therefore be very much the exceptkom and not the norm.
Just like God put you in the gender that suits your sould best, he also put you on the religions thay suits your soul best!
Its a racial religion like parsi, brahmanism etc. Proclaiming themselves as chosen and superior to others.
Why would you convert to something to get depressed oppressors of the world😮
Tacitus, the first century Roman historian, insisted that Abraham was an Ethiopian. Abraham had children from Black women. Hagar was an Egyptian woman who bore Ishmael, Abraham’s first son. The Ishmaelites were black and were identified with the Midianites. The mIdianites were the tribe that Moses lived among when he fled Egypt. He got his wife Zipporah from this tribe.
Keturah, Abraham’s wife after his first wife Sarah died, bore him six sons. Keturah was a Black Canaanite. Their children became heads of Black Arabian tribes. One of those tribes was the Tribe of Kedar. The term Kedar means “dark skinned”. Kedar developed a powerful Arabian tribe. They were skilled archers and were considered might men in the Bible.
Tacitus lived more than 3000 years after Abraham, so he's not much of a source. That being said, Hagar was most likely not black; she was an Egyptian. Egyptians had fair to medium-dark skin during this time period. It wasn't until later dynasties that their intermarriage resulted in darker skin tones. Keturah was actually Hagar according to Rabbinical sources. FYI, race isn't even a thing in the scriptures; there are black jews, white jews, Asian jews, etc. This focus on "black" vs "white" is purely arbitrary. Ashkinazi Jews are just as Jewish as Black Jews from the tribe of Gad in the Sudan
Tacitus lived way way way way earlier than Abraham and the ancient Egyptians were not black. Google "Grave of Seti I Races" and you will see how the Egyptians saw themselves and others, they distincted themselves from white and black people
@@hrgirl26 you live more than 9,000 years from Abraham and not a scholar, I’ll take my chances with Tacitus and Herodotus before I would with you
Tacitus Never wrote anything About Abraham. More of your lies!!!!! Abraham never had children with a black woman, he married Sarah, and Had children with Hagar, an Egyptian (not Negroid) and Keturah (not any specific nationality) never said to be black!!!
Show what source says that Keturah was a Canaanite at all!!! The Canaanites were genetically sequenced and were not Negroes!!! The Lebanese are their direct descendants with 93% of their DNA and the Lebanese were never Negroid!!!!!
I’m so glad that Islam welcomes all, as it is the true guidance of Allah for all humanity Alhamdulillah. I converted to Islam 2 years ago and it has been the biggest blessing of my entire life. Allahu Akbar!
Asalamalikum my Bro/Sis in Islam
@@ax3226 wa alaikum as salaam wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuhu