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Hi, first off all I would like to thank you for great job you are doing. and 1 question: they say that 3.6 PentaStar was problematic engine before year of 2016 and starting from 2016 this engine is good now. can you comment on that?? before 2016 on PentaStar they say that it was engine longevity and some other issues.
Just bought a 2023 Sport, although its a base, it still has a ton of features like cruise, A/C, 7 inch screen, SXM, upgraded wheels, etc. Got it for $33k OTD, so although the 24's are a bit different, I was pretty happy with the purchase.
@@michaelvilla5472 True, is was an option in 2022 models, but honestly I dont need all the bells and whistles, I bought it to take the top down and be a cruiser for the me, wife n kid.
@juanitomaxxcarnaje3877 my 2016 JK has been reliable (zero issues but low miles) - but they keep layering more and more crap and have lost the German DNA, so I am leery of JLs…
@@bartwaggoner2000 my JLU has been very reliable so far. Almost 2 years old and 20k miles and zero issues. Of course, I'm in a Sport S with very few features - no automatic headlamps, no adaptive cruise control, no parking sensors, no e-lockers. I have power locks, power windows, keyless entry, cruise control, and the standard 7" touch screen that came on Sport S'. Everything else is pure mechanical. An ex coworker of mine bought a brand new $60k+ Rubicon and the check engine came on on her way home. I prefer to keep things simple.
@juanitomaxxcarnaje3877 as a Jeep tech, I have no idea where people get this idea that they are so unreliable... Wranglers are not known for being trouble free, but not many cars are. They definitely aren't problem children though. Now if you want to talk about a Jeep Renegade... THEN you can talk about unreliability
Well, Tommy, I am Up in Winter Park, CO. traveling up from sea level. Rubi XR. It runs great with 2.0L T. auto. Up at 12k ft ele in Rockies, runs great, sea level runs great. No peakiness that you describe. I had this same motor in a Stelvio and loved it. Good on gas, good on power. Great review!
I’ve had the 2.0 L turbo for a year and a half and love it. Lots of get up and go. It’s very peppy and I’ve never felt it was sluggesh, even at higher speeds. I tried the 3.6, but felt the 2.0 was better overall. Tbh, I think I would have paid for the diesel engine. I loved test driving that thing and in retrospect, it would have been worth it for the performance
performance wise, yes it has advantage, but I still go with the v6 instead of the Fiat borrowed 2.0 turbo because I have no faith that I wont run into major problems in both short term and long term ownership.
@@meeralrafee1875 that’s a fair point for sure, the V6 is certainly the more time-tested. I’m just glad there’s a few options out there. Something for everyone!
"Turbo charged" lol If you have to turbo charge an engine to get it to have the proper power...? Just make sure you sell it before 75k miles, after that lol. Notice the V6 *doesn't* have a "turbo charger" on it? There's a reason for that lol
For the price of the upgrades, getting a $32k 2-door Jeep with the 6speed and sending it to AEV for upgrades would be cheaper than adding the basic jeep-branded versions.
You can also option the 4.88 gears combined with the XR package which means you can throw a some puck spacers on it and it's basically ready for 37s or even 38s.
LoL, I wouldn't call any of these a steal, but if you were dumb enough to buy a car during the last few years of insanity, I could see how you might think that.
@@Noneofyourbusiness2000 Do you see the prices coming way down?? Even before the pandemic Wrangler’s sold for close to sticker. I’ve owned a JK Rubicon bought before the plandemic and a 21 JL & JT Rubicon both with Ecodiesels plus worked at a Jeep dealership. Please enlighten us!
I purchased the Rubicon, not for going off road but for a daily driver. I have the conveinnance and technology group but realized to dod opt have the safety group. After only a week and as a much older driver I need the package. Now my dealer is ordering me a new Rubicon with all three groups. Again, as an older driver having all three is the best in my opinion. I really enjoy driving the Rubicon and it does look cool. No I do not have the X but still looks cool.
It seems like Villys is one of the best options if you are not going rock-crawling. Rear lockers is the game changer. I would buy one with a v6 and manual. But you can get it in auto as well. So it seems like it's the best option, unless you have to have a rubicon.
@@TylerSL92 not even the price but jeep has recently been voted a less reliable company than land rover . imagine that . these are cars that you sell out of warranty and have plenty of time to burn and know your service advisor . sorry im going to hard on jeep, i bought a brand new scat pac (first brand new car) and within 8 months and almost 10 service visits it was deemed a lemon . yeah, still pissed about that!
For me, ti was RXE RUbicon X, and throw in a couple accessories (the Rubi X comes pretty well loaded). SPort 4xE GREAT deal on a good selling car!. I did go for the Ribi X though... Hard top, and it pretty much comes with everything else you need on this trim. They are expensive, but compared to when the 4xe first came out, it is a great deal compared to the upgrades for a slight price increase. Larger interior screen, better interior (seats), powerbox is great camping! (with roof tent) and Yeah, Lov my PHEV Jeep!
This is correct. If you lease you might still be able to indirectly get the full credit (well, technically the leasing company gets the full credit and passes the savings on to you) unless the situation changes by the time these hit the dealer floors.
Seems like Jeep changes its mind on the transmission situation. Had a rental with a V6/Auto combo and I was quite pleased with it. Actually want one now.
1) I thought the tax credit on the Wranglers only applied to leases? 2) Are you saying you don't get the full float rear axle if you get the 35in recon package? Or are you saying you get the axle but don't get the 5,000lb tow rating with the recon package?
I know it may seem like jeep is saving you money with these options but you can get the most expensive arb bumpers front and rear with a 12k lb badland winch for 3000 and there’s no way it should cost you more than 500 for install and you get much better products for off-roading.
I spoke to a 37 year tenured Jeep rep and he told me to completely ignore the 2024 build site, that it is handled by corporate marketing and outsourced. He showed me in his order system they only had a few trims available and most of them had completely restricted build lists, they couldn't even pull them up yet. The computer said they had a bunch shipping June 23 and a marketing campaign blast July 7 and that's when we will know everything.
Unfortunately many complaints has been filed due to catching fire during plug in, or even when parked, they’re advising not to park inside garages, near a house but on the street I AM NOT MOVING FORWARD IN BUYING ONE BECAUSE OF BATTERY 🪫 PLUG IN ISSUES…😢😢
My 2 cents. Bang for your buck is the 2024 4xe Sport S. It is the lowest base priced 4xe. pricing for the Sport s 2024 is actually lower than the lowest priced 2023. Sport S as with all models have same touchscreen display with wireless CarPlay. It also has All safety features including side airbags. Adding the Skytouch roof and Convenience package adds heated seats, steering wheel and autostart which makes it basically a Sahara for thousands less. As far as looks its has painted fender flares and some really sporty wheels.
The steel bumper group is NOT that good a deal. You can _easily_ find steel bumpers for under $1000 (each). And a harbor freight winch with synthetic rope is like $700 and is nearly as reliable as a Warn winch. You can easily save $1000 over the steel bumper package by buying them and installing them yourself. The only reason I'd spend the extra money to get it from the factory is if you absolutely want the warranty, or if you're handicapped and can't install the bumpers yourself (very simple install - bolts and hand tools is pretty much it for bumpers).
My jeep build is Jeep rubicon, sage green, renforcement, rock sliders, 3 piece hard top, nav, steel bummpers with winch, convenience, tech, xtreem 35 tire, 3.6 with 8 speed atuowith 4.56 rear gear ratio
I rented a brand new 4xe and it was pretty bad. The claimed range is 20 miles, but I got 10ish on normal country highway driving (55-60mph). After the battery was depleted my gas mileage was approximately 20mpg. Not worth it in my opinion
I rented a 4xe for a trip from DC to the outer banks. Running on the 4cyl I saw 20 - 22 mpg on hwy. While in the Outer Banks I ran on electric only for four days. I can see the value. It was a great experience... just not sold yet that its what I want for a daily. Got the 4xe from Avis for a decent rate.
My Jeep liberty I turned 22 years. Body look absolutely new. I turned it in for jeep gas 2001 Rubicon I hope it gives me 22 years of dependably and fun like my liberty.
Consumers are screwed! Cant get a wrangler the way you want, cant get a Bronco the way you want. Not to mention waiting a year or more on most models. Oh and by the way they all have jumped up in price. I dont understand why they are sittting on the lots lol.. Smh
Ya that's why my ass just bought a Mazda CX-5 lol. Comfy. Good on gas. Awd. Affordable. I'll just put better tires and lift it an inch. I should be good.
The Federal tax credit on the 4xe is actually only $3750, but you can also get it as a rebate at the sale whether you have enough tax liability or not now that we’re in 2024.
Interestingly, I used to plan on buying a 3.6 Wrangler once my 4xe lease is up - however, we've seen an increase in the number of 3.6s seeing failures (both JL and JT) while I've seen a few 2.0T hurricanes with 100k+ and no issues. Jury is still out, but I'm coming around on the 2.0
But i wouldnt count it out just yet as they are not sold in equal amount. The 3.6 are more common than 2.0T which may explain more complaints on the 3.6 than the 2.0t. As far as my own experience with the 3.6 like in the Durango, they have been pretty reliable maybe even better than GM's v6 as they seem to spending more time on improvements on their turbo 4 cylinders.
have to remember or say that the tax credit isn't taken at the dealership, it's done in your tax return the next year. so if it's 60k on the lot, it's still 60k out the door, not 53k
@@grnpnzerit’s a tax credit to be applied during your tax return. It is not a direct refund of any kind. It simply reduces the taxes owed for the year. You may potentially get a higher tax return, but you will not get a $7500 cash refund of any kind. Most people think it’s $7500 off the top of the vehicle, but it’s not. You’re still paying full price out the door.
Thank you tommy I was really hoping you would cover this since you own one. Can we get a little update on yours. The miles and everything if you want. Love you bud I’m so proud of you.
I’m surprised with Ford offering the bigger engine with 10 speed auto that Jeep isn’t offering bigger engine with 8 speed auto. Not to mention I ordered my two door bronco with a lot of the up grade options and was still out the door for under 50K.
Tommy, sounds like you could build a Willy’s 4xe and morph your to builds into one. I hopefully will be getting a 2024 4xe soon. I am glad they upgraded the safety to the refreshed model.
My Jeep wrangler choices are now down to the Sport and Willy’s models with limited options. Also I would go with the 2 door. I like the sarge green color because it goes with the black wheels better. I miss the tan seat option though. I not going to be picky with the engine. I can live with the turbo if I get the automatic. But I an not going to spend the substantial cost for the 4xe.
I really want to get a Jeep but as you say, the pricing is getting ridiculous. Saw a 2024 Sport S 2 door that just landed here in my parts yesterday, Auto, hardtop, Earl paint, nice big 1941 sticker on the hood, a couple other options. $62k in my country plus fee's and taxes, that'll put it over $70k and then there's still financing charges on top of that since I don't have a spare $70k in cash burning a hole in my pocket. Absolute craziness. Whats worse is everytime the price goes up on the new ones, the used ones follow suit so even the 2020's are going for around $40k in my area, plus or minus a bit depending on model/mileage. It's frustrating.
Things i fopund out aaat the dealer, you can no longer order a '23 even though their build still shows it as an option. My order was denied. The '24 Rubicon cant get powered seats or leather, you need to upgrade to the Rubicon X. The Rubicon X only comes with the extreme wheel package. You can not order it without it.
I’ve got a nice little letter from Jeep that says they are currently not taking orders for manual transmissions on the 2024 models. I’ll happily email it to you, but you can also contact Stellantis customer service and they’ll send it to you as well. I’m probably going to buy a Willys with the 2.0 and the automatic, and it better be all Jeep promises or my next one after that will be another Taco or a Bronco.
@@Daman11P I have. Before I pulled the trigger I wanted to do some research so I contacted Stellantis directly. I have a nice letter they emailed me where configurations are limited and they aren’t taking orders on the 6 speed manual right now. Since I’ll be driving mine from the coastal Southeast out west some, I’ll take the 2.0 and automatic since they come with the Xtreme 35 on the Willys, but I’m still disappointed in the options.
I won’t a manual been driving them since I was younger, I started w my cheaper cars clearing how ta drive them w the stick. However which keep brand should I get I mean I won’t the best but I don’t care for a large engine. Long as it last a long time!
Love Jeep but hate they way they nickel and dime you. As much as they're charging now, you'd think all models would come standard with LED lights as well as no charge for an automatic transmission. The new Grand Cherokees come standard with automatic transmission and LED's with no upcharge (even the Compass) so why do us Wrangler guys have to pay extra for it? They have every right to do whatever they want but just leaves me with a bad taste in my mouth.
Its not pronounced Willys, but pronounced Willis. For 2024, Jeep made the Premium Soft Top standard (this used to be a $695 option) and dropped the cheaper vinyl soft top. Nothing against a hard top, but most people will take it off once and find out what a huge ordeal it is to remove it and then you have to figure out where/how to store the hard top. Even in cold climates, the premium (twill) soft top is fine and much much easier to raise/lower the top in minutes vs the hard top. The larger 12.3” screen is a huge upgrade over the old 5”, 7” and 8.4” screens in previous JLs. For 2024 Jeep also upgraded the seats with better materials and cushions. Convenience group for $1995 is a deal for all you get and I would not pass on that. To me, a base Sahara with no options seems to be the best deal for 2024
I really miss my 2010 JK Sport with manual transmission and manual windows etc. So simple and fun to work on - until I got incurable death wobble after a lift and sold it for a 2016 Rubicon JK
We have an 08 JK Sport with manual everything! We love it for many reasons, but I think we are going to sell it and go to one of the 4-doors. I love the simplicity of the vehicle, but then I also find it a bit annoying to have to reach across to roll down the window, lock the door, etc. At times that is a safety concern. But such a sweet, fun, simple vehicle overall! :)
Probably because he bought one, said he liked it (more than likely didn't due to lack of trunk space) and then sold it after a year and hasn't talked about it since.
Here ill do yall a big favor don't buy one just buy a old one and if it breaks down have some fun throw a actually reliable engine in it and have fun for a few thousand dollars rather than 60k
I was thinking about selling my built 2020 JLUR for a 2024 JLR, but I just can’t justify the extreme jump in price o er the past 3 years. A similarly spec’s JLR was about 6k more than the JLUR. And that’s with the difference of 4 doors to a 2 door. Not worth it… I see why JeepsbRe piling up on the dealer lots now…
@@alwaysdman94 Reliability, and longevity. We easily keep vehicles 10+ years. anything powered or automatic removes the users fine control of it. While manual locks and windows can break, its normally due to abuse or misuse, not age. Respect your vehicles and keep then serviced and they can last way longer then the norm. Power locks like to snap lever arms, power windows like to chew up regulators. All these things would be felt before they break on manual control options. Stop, don't force it, lubricate or adjust what's needed and no need to order/replace new parts.
@@IanNubbit : How is this for reliability & longevity. I still own a 1st gen '02 4x4 Tundra that I bought new in '02. My power windows/locks/sideview mirrors are all original & still working fine after 21+ years of use. In fact, the truck hasn't needed anything but routine maintenance since I bought it. But then again it's not a Jeep.
@@oneslackr People (Like me) associate (for good reason) power/automatic options with issues and failures. I hate auto trans, yes alot of the time they work just fine, but you have no control, you pick one of 4-5 options, and it decides what to do with that input (on modern vehicles almost entirely computer regulated at that). Power windows and locks at least for me, I see fail all the time, not everyone will fail, but the ONLY failed manual variants are from abuse or neglect. I see destroyed motor gears, most commonly the regulator just tears into spaghetti, with power, you won't know this is coming besides maybe the window goes up or down a little slow, with manual, you'd feel that resistance and know something's not going right well before failure. Manual locks all the same, those lock actuators are strong, they need to be, so if a cable is binding, it's just going to snap it or the snap the latch assembly holding the cable. Then you end up with that buzzing sound when you hit the lock button (super common on Grand Caravan's/Town & Country's for example.) Some people like the "For life, no service" style of vehicles that are being made now, they like the simpliciaty. From someone who works on them for a living, I hate it. Consumers enjoy the throw away aspect of cars. After 100k miles on basically any car being made now, it's either a ticking time bomb of powertrain failure waiting to happen, or the available list of parts, or the cost of those parts and the price of labor along with the numerous special tools and software licenses needed just to install simple parts (Like a fricken windshield) put it completely out of the realm of repair over replace. It sucks, but it's the world we live in. Some modern FCA products, If I replace a window motor, I have to have access to dealer software to reset codes, calibrate the new motor and it's travel, along with the fact the motor is closer to the $1,000 range. Long story short if for some reason you actually read this whole thing, I can fix what is simple, manufacture have made basically all electronics items over engineered and I'd rather just not have it. Even wrangler do stupid crap like have 2 different door latch sensors, on the same door, so if one fails, it lets you know, that you have to replace the whole latch, oh, you'll also have a check engine light in the meantime, start/stop won't work, and if it's an automatic, auto park will slam you into park when you go to take of 3 times before allowing you to actually drive away. For a door latch. This is why I don't want any of it. Even pulled out the door harness completely in out JL and JT (with manual locks and windows), because we don't want to ever have to deal with it.
Disadvantages of the 4xe are that the batteries take up a big chunk of cargo space. It’s great for around town, but for off roading and longer trips I don’t think it’s the best option. Plus the regenerative breaking is kind of weird. I was having a hard time choosing between the 4cyl and 6 cyl in automatic, but after hearing your review I decided to pay the extra cash for the V6.
So Tommy, is the 3.6 V6 eTorque gone this year? If I order a Rubicon with the 3.6 V6 with the auto transmission, I'm getting the standard 3.6, no eTorque, is that correct?
He’s at $50k for a sport with a few options. Jeep is just paying Stellantis’ bills. Jeep is abandoning enthusiasts with this pricing. This is a BASIC small suv with a frame and solid axles. No rocket science happening here.
I just saw an article where Stellantis has paid Tesla $2.5 billion in the last two years for "Credits" because Tesla doesn't make gas cars and Stellantis does. That is insane. The credits are given to Tesla (and others) for free and Ford, GM and Stellantis have to buy carbon credits because they are producing cars that use more fuel than the government likes. That is insane. That is part of the reason prices have gone so high.
Blaming the government and car companies is fair but at the end of the day the consumers are at fault. It blows my mind how many people in the comments talk about ordering overpriced cars that aren’t even out yet. People like that are the reason these cars are unaffordable. Im convinced that most modern cars are priced double their worth.
I have a doubt about the 392 20th Anniversary; Does this one have the new Dash board Screen panel than the 2024?? Why has never the question been brought up but all you tubers in regards to the 20th Anniversary Rubicon did not get that nice upgrade & presented as unique 2023 20th Anniversary ???
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it is so heart-breaking that the diesel available only on gladiator and not on wrangler. it was very bad idea.
Hi, first off all I would like to thank you for great job you are doing. and 1 question: they say that 3.6 PentaStar was problematic engine before year of 2016 and starting from 2016 this engine is good now. can you comment on that?? before 2016 on PentaStar they say that it was engine longevity and some other issues.
Willys having a rear locker has been long overdue. Glad Ford is making them offer more to compete
Right...We used to have 1 vehicle that we can't afford. now we have 2.
Just bought a 2023 Sport, although its a base, it still has a ton of features like cruise, A/C, 7 inch screen, SXM, upgraded wheels, etc. Got it for $33k OTD, so although the 24's are a bit different, I was pretty happy with the purchase.
2 or 4 door?
@@shawnstadtler9865 bought a 2 door, I wanted that for better off roading
Crazy that having cruise control and ac is notable in a base 2023 jeep
@@michaelvilla5472 True, is was an option in 2022 models, but honestly I dont need all the bells and whistles, I bought it to take the top down and be a cruiser for the me, wife n kid.
base is a much better value than the sport s, this guy knows nothing about wranglers
Almost $50,000 for a Sport S with a few options. Jeep has lost their mind
@juanitomaxxcarnaje3877 my 2016 JK has been reliable (zero issues but low miles) - but they keep layering more and more crap and have lost the German DNA, so I am leery of JLs…
@@bartwaggoner2000 my JLU has been very reliable so far. Almost 2 years old and 20k miles and zero issues. Of course, I'm in a Sport S with very few features - no automatic headlamps, no adaptive cruise control, no parking sensors, no e-lockers. I have power locks, power windows, keyless entry, cruise control, and the standard 7" touch screen that came on Sport S'. Everything else is pure mechanical. An ex coworker of mine bought a brand new $60k+ Rubicon and the check engine came on on her way home. I prefer to keep things simple.
The baby Bronco Sport loaded is almost the same. THAT is insane.
@@bartwaggoner2000 i look at where the car im buying is made . if i see anything assembled in south America , im good , i'll look at something else.
@juanitomaxxcarnaje3877 as a Jeep tech, I have no idea where people get this idea that they are so unreliable... Wranglers are not known for being trouble free, but not many cars are. They definitely aren't problem children though. Now if you want to talk about a Jeep Renegade... THEN you can talk about unreliability
That engine situation is maddening
really is - makes no sense. Jeep is painting themselves into a corner - why?
Seriously wtf are they doing?
It makes sense when you realize all car companies have a government gun pointed at their head
yea it's stupid
Get a lightly used one to get the v6 with auto
I still think the Willys is the best value. I have a 2023 and love love it
Even better value now that it has a rear locker.
Well, Tommy, I am Up in Winter Park, CO. traveling up from sea level. Rubi XR. It runs great with 2.0L T. auto. Up at 12k ft ele in Rockies, runs great, sea level runs great. No peakiness that you describe. I had this same motor in a Stelvio and loved it. Good on gas, good on power. Great review!
I’ve had the 2.0 L turbo for a year and a half and love it. Lots of get up and go. It’s very peppy and I’ve never felt it was sluggesh, even at higher speeds. I tried the 3.6, but felt the 2.0 was better overall.
Tbh, I think I would have paid for the diesel engine. I loved test driving that thing and in retrospect, it would have been worth it for the performance
performance wise, yes it has advantage, but I still go with the v6 instead of the Fiat borrowed 2.0 turbo because I have no faith that I wont run into major problems in both short term and long term ownership.
@@meeralrafee1875 that’s a fair point for sure, the V6 is certainly the more time-tested. I’m just glad there’s a few options out there. Something for everyone!
"Turbo charged" lol If you have to turbo charge an engine to get it to have the proper power...? Just make sure you sell it before 75k miles, after that lol. Notice the V6 *doesn't* have a "turbo charger" on it? There's a reason for that lol
For the price of the upgrades, getting a $32k 2-door Jeep with the 6speed and sending it to AEV for upgrades would be cheaper than adding the basic jeep-branded versions.
The Extreme Rubicon is a steal considering it also comes with 4.56 gears too.
You can also option the 4.88 gears combined with the XR package which means you can throw a some puck spacers on it and it's basically ready for 37s or even 38s.
LoL, I wouldn't call any of these a steal, but if you were dumb enough to buy a car during the last few years of insanity, I could see how you might think that.
@@Noneofyourbusiness2000 Do you see the prices coming way down?? Even before the pandemic Wrangler’s sold for close to sticker. I’ve owned a JK Rubicon bought before the plandemic and a 21 JL & JT Rubicon both with Ecodiesels plus worked at a Jeep dealership. Please enlighten us!
@Noneofyourbusiness2000 my friend jeep Wranglers are one of the few American cars that actually hold thier value. All cars overpriced.
I purchased the Rubicon, not for going off road but for a daily driver. I have the conveinnance and technology group but realized to dod opt have the safety group. After only a week and as a much older driver I need the package. Now my dealer is ordering me a new Rubicon with all three groups. Again, as an older driver having all three is the best in my opinion. I really enjoy driving the Rubicon and it does look cool. No I do not have the X but still looks cool.
It seems like Villys is one of the best options if you are not going rock-crawling. Rear lockers is the game changer. I would buy one with a v6 and manual. But you can get it in auto as well. So it seems like it's the best option, unless you have to have a rubicon.
Typing mistake? It's a Willy's. There's actually history to that name. Interesting story.
You need to do some Due Diligence before you even think of getting a manual Jeep since 2018 .
@@rodgood Why? What's wrong with it? I drove manuals all my life. Is Jeep manual bad?
@@comegowithMEE Yea. Sorry a mistake :(
@@EddiTaru Yes. They used an underated clutch behind their low torque engine . Hence the 4 recalls .
Ordered 2024 Wrangler Willys 4 door, 3.6 v6 and a 6 speed 🤘 my wife and I are so excited
I was so surprised they took away the auto with v6, so glad I got mine in 2021... the v6 fits perfect for the jeep
The auto transmission is available with the 3.6 e torque engine.
good news fellas jeep has plenty of inventory for you
You don’t want a $80,000 rubicon? Lmao
@@TylerSL92 not even the price but jeep has recently been voted a less reliable company than land rover . imagine that . these are cars that you sell out of warranty and have plenty of time to burn and know your service advisor . sorry im going to hard on jeep, i bought a brand new scat pac (first brand new car) and within 8 months and almost 10 service visits it was deemed a lemon . yeah, still pissed about that!
For me, ti was RXE RUbicon X, and throw in a couple accessories (the Rubi X comes pretty well loaded). SPort 4xE GREAT deal on a good selling car!. I did go for the Ribi X though... Hard top, and it pretty much comes with everything else you need on this trim. They are expensive, but compared to when the 4xe first came out, it is a great deal compared to the upgrades for a slight price increase. Larger interior screen, better interior (seats), powerbox is great camping! (with roof tent) and Yeah, Lov my PHEV Jeep!
I thought the tax credit for the 4xe was now just $3750.
This is correct. If you lease you might still be able to indirectly get the full credit (well, technically the leasing company gets the full credit and passes the savings on to you) unless the situation changes by the time these hit the dealer floors.
Still no LEDs standard for 2024... but you get a big bright screen... makes sense Jeep... 🤔 entertainment before safety 😅
Seems like Jeep changes its mind on the transmission situation. Had a rental with a V6/Auto combo and I was quite pleased with it. Actually want one now.
1) I thought the tax credit on the Wranglers only applied to leases?
2) Are you saying you don't get the full float rear axle if you get the 35in recon package? Or are you saying you get the axle but don't get the 5,000lb tow rating with the recon package?
I just got a 24 Willys 4xe with the main packages on it. MSRP is high but after incentives it was in the low 30s which is great.
Price increase. They aren't selling now due to price.
I know it may seem like jeep is saving you money with these options but you can get the most expensive arb bumpers front and rear with a 12k lb badland winch for 3000 and there’s no way it should cost you more than 500 for install and you get much better products for off-roading.
Jeep has since raised the price of the paint from $495 to $595... When will the price hikes stop?
Very happy I got a 3.6 on my jlu. Thanks for the advice👍.
I have the 2024 Willy’s 4xe with 30,000 miles now and still loving it and does more than what I need it for lol
I spoke to a 37 year tenured Jeep rep and he told me to completely ignore the 2024 build site, that it is handled by corporate marketing and outsourced. He showed me in his order system they only had a few trims available and most of them had completely restricted build lists, they couldn't even pull them up yet. The computer said they had a bunch shipping June 23 and a marketing campaign blast July 7 and that's when we will know everything.
Unfortunately many complaints has been filed due to catching fire during plug in, or even when parked, they’re advising not to park inside garages, near a house but on the street I AM NOT MOVING FORWARD IN BUYING ONE BECAUSE OF BATTERY 🪫 PLUG IN ISSUES…😢😢
My 2 cents. Bang for your buck is the 2024 4xe Sport S. It is the lowest base priced 4xe. pricing for the Sport s 2024 is actually lower than the lowest priced 2023. Sport S as with all models have same touchscreen display with wireless CarPlay. It also has All safety features including side airbags. Adding the Skytouch roof and Convenience package adds heated seats, steering wheel and autostart which makes it basically a Sahara for thousands less. As far as looks its has painted fender flares and some really sporty wheels.
The steel bumper group is NOT that good a deal. You can _easily_ find steel bumpers for under $1000 (each). And a harbor freight winch with synthetic rope is like $700 and is nearly as reliable as a Warn winch. You can easily save $1000 over the steel bumper package by buying them and installing them yourself. The only reason I'd spend the extra money to get it from the factory is if you absolutely want the warranty, or if you're handicapped and can't install the bumpers yourself (very simple install - bolts and hand tools is pretty much it for bumpers).
TFL doesn't want to get their brand new lift dirty in their brand garage
Agreed. Really stupid.
No full float rear axle with the Xtreme Recon seems terrible. That should definitely have the full float rear axle!
4 doors definitely the way to go, had the 2 doors and never going back!
How can they charge over $30,000 for a vehicle that doesn't have power windows or power locks?
My jeep build is Jeep rubicon, sage green, renforcement, rock sliders, 3 piece hard top, nav, steel bummpers with winch, convenience, tech, xtreem 35 tire, 3.6 with 8 speed atuowith 4.56 rear gear ratio
Thank you, TFL Expert, for this comprehensive and detailed buyer's guide!
Tommy... What is the info or word on your red 'willys' 2 door jeep you had or used to had. Did I miss an update with what you did with it???
Outrageous pricing.
$88,090 starting price for the Rubicon 392 !?!?
Yikes!
Too expensive. Wait.
Why isn’t it an option for most people to get the standard transmission?? Why would anyone choose to not drive a standard transmission
If you can’t drive manual transmission you should be buying a renegade
I would include the air intake, the bumper group, and the larger tires
Remember the power numbers on the 4 turbo has to have PREMIUM FUEL to achieve the power numbers.
Not good
You can’t add body colored fenders etc until you get the rubicon x
I rented a brand new 4xe and it was pretty bad. The claimed range is 20 miles, but I got 10ish on normal country highway driving (55-60mph). After the battery was depleted my gas mileage was approximately 20mpg. Not worth it in my opinion
If it’s a 3xx or 4xx lease, then it’s worthy
I rented a 4xe for a trip from DC to the outer banks. Running on the 4cyl I saw 20 - 22 mpg on hwy. While in the Outer Banks I ran on electric only for four days.
I can see the value. It was a great experience... just not sold yet that its what I want for a daily. Got the 4xe from Avis for a decent rate.
Also I think the batteries weigh 700 lbs extra. What happens to your payload?
My Jeep liberty I turned 22 years. Body look absolutely new. I turned it in for jeep gas 2001 Rubicon I hope it gives me 22 years of dependably and fun like my liberty.
I wonder when/if the JL will have the hurricane twin-turbo inline-6 high output engine?
Thanks for the info tommy!!
Consumers are screwed! Cant get a wrangler the way you want, cant get a Bronco the way you want. Not to mention waiting a year or more on most models. Oh and by the way they all have jumped up in price. I dont understand why they are sittting on the lots lol.. Smh
Ya that's why my ass just bought a Mazda CX-5 lol. Comfy. Good on gas. Awd. Affordable. I'll just put better tires and lift it an inch. I should be good.
I e had several soft top jeeps since 1993, and even living in Chicago, I've never had an issue with cold weather .... they heat up pretty fast...
The Federal tax credit on the 4xe is actually only $3750, but you can also get it as a rebate at the sale whether you have enough tax liability or not now that we’re in 2024.
Interestingly, I used to plan on buying a 3.6 Wrangler once my 4xe lease is up - however, we've seen an increase in the number of 3.6s seeing failures (both JL and JT) while I've seen a few 2.0T hurricanes with 100k+ and no issues. Jury is still out, but I'm coming around on the 2.0
But i wouldnt count it out just yet as they are not sold in equal amount. The 3.6 are more common than 2.0T which may explain more complaints on the 3.6 than the 2.0t. As far as my own experience with the 3.6 like in the Durango, they have been pretty reliable maybe even better than GM's v6 as they seem to spending more time on improvements on their turbo 4 cylinders.
V4 is fiat
it is so heart-breaking that the diesel available only on gladiator and not on wrangler. it was very bad idea.
Does the ‘24 Willys come standard with a D44 in the rear? If I remember right, all JKs did.
have to remember or say that the tax credit isn't taken at the dealership, it's done in your tax return the next year. so if it's 60k on the lot, it's still 60k out the door, not 53k
It can be applied immediately I think if the vehicle is leased. But I am not the expert by any means. Due Diligence is required. :-)
@@grnpnzerit’s a tax credit to be applied during your tax return. It is not a direct refund of any kind. It simply reduces the taxes owed for the year. You may potentially get a higher tax return, but you will not get a $7500 cash refund of any kind. Most people think it’s $7500 off the top of the vehicle, but it’s not. You’re still paying full price out the door.
Will a 2023 grill fit the 24? I hate new grill.
Thank you tommy I was really hoping you would cover this since you own one. Can we get a little update on yours. The miles and everything if you want. Love you bud I’m so proud of you.
I'm 99% confident he sold his little Willys jeep.
@@backwoodstherapyhe did
@@WW-wf8tu buying and selling just to make YT money. They would buy and sell goats if the YT video's got the views
I’m surprised with Ford offering the bigger engine with 10 speed auto that Jeep isn’t offering bigger engine with 8 speed auto. Not to mention I ordered my two door bronco with a lot of the up grade options and was still out the door for under 50K.
I don’t daily drive a Wrangler…ever! So I’ll just buy a nicely loaded 3.6 Rubicon, with close to 100k used for a lot less. Drive it like I stole it.
Tommy, sounds like you could build a Willy’s 4xe and morph your to builds into one. I hopefully will be getting a 2024 4xe soon. I am glad they upgraded the safety to the refreshed model.
they have now changed it where you can get a 3.6l with the automatics on lower trims according to the website
My Jeep wrangler choices are now down to the Sport and Willy’s models with limited options. Also I would go with the 2 door. I like the sarge green color because it goes with the black wheels better. I miss the tan seat option though. I not going to be picky with the engine. I can live with the turbo if I get the automatic. But I an not going to spend the substantial cost for the 4xe.
I really want to get a Jeep but as you say, the pricing is getting ridiculous. Saw a 2024 Sport S 2 door that just landed here in my parts yesterday, Auto, hardtop, Earl paint, nice big 1941 sticker on the hood, a couple other options. $62k in my country plus fee's and taxes, that'll put it over $70k and then there's still financing charges on top of that since I don't have a spare $70k in cash burning a hole in my pocket.
Absolute craziness.
Whats worse is everytime the price goes up on the new ones, the used ones follow suit so even the 2020's are going for around $40k in my area, plus or minus a bit depending on model/mileage. It's frustrating.
Buying guide: JEEP 392 BABY! You know, the one with the V8!!OlllllllO 🤠💪 Now all I need is the money…
Then you are stuck with an automatic, so what's the point?
Things i fopund out aaat the dealer, you can no longer order a '23 even though their build still shows it as an option. My order was denied. The '24 Rubicon cant get powered seats or leather, you need to upgrade to the Rubicon X. The Rubicon X only comes with the extreme wheel package. You can not order it without it.
I’ve got a nice little letter from Jeep that says they are currently not taking orders for manual transmissions on the 2024 models. I’ll happily email it to you, but you can also contact Stellantis customer service and they’ll send it to you as well. I’m probably going to buy a Willys with the 2.0 and the automatic, and it better be all Jeep promises or my next one after that will be another Taco or a Bronco.
damn, did you try placing an order for one? I was planning on upgrading from my 2012 soon but would only get a 6speed one.
@@Daman11P I have. Before I pulled the trigger I wanted to do some research so I contacted Stellantis directly. I have a nice letter they emailed me where configurations are limited and they aren’t taking orders on the 6 speed manual right now. Since I’ll be driving mine from the coastal Southeast out west some, I’ll take the 2.0 and automatic since they come with the Xtreme 35 on the Willys, but I’m still disappointed in the options.
In 🇳🇴, the 2,0 litre is the best, economicaly etc, and it uses a LOT LESS FUEL !!!!!!
Amazing car this ❤️🌟🇺🇸, buying one( canvas ) today 🤣
TK🇳🇴
You have made a mistake. You can also get Willys with a v6 motor and an automatic transmission.
I don’t like the screen in 2024 model. So I am planning to go with 2023.
🤦🏼♂️ These prices, not sure which is worse Bronco or Wrangler. 🙄
The base model has old fashioned radiator grill?
I won’t a manual been driving them since I was younger, I started w my cheaper cars clearing how ta drive them w the stick. However which keep brand should I get I mean I won’t the best but I don’t care for a large engine. Long as it last a long time!
Love Jeep but hate they way they nickel and dime you. As much as they're charging now, you'd think all models would come standard with LED lights as well as no charge for an automatic transmission. The new Grand Cherokees come standard with automatic transmission and LED's with no upcharge (even the Compass) so why do us Wrangler guys have to pay extra for it? They have every right to do whatever they want but just leaves me with a bad taste in my mouth.
Will the Willy’s gladiator get a rear locker ?
Its not pronounced Willys, but pronounced Willis.
For 2024, Jeep made the Premium Soft Top standard (this used to be a $695 option) and dropped the cheaper vinyl soft top. Nothing against a hard top, but most people will take it off once and find out what a huge ordeal it is to remove it and then you have to figure out where/how to store the hard top. Even in cold climates, the premium (twill) soft top is fine and much much easier to raise/lower the top in minutes vs the hard top.
The larger 12.3” screen is a huge upgrade over the old 5”, 7” and 8.4” screens in previous JLs.
For 2024 Jeep also upgraded the seats with better materials and cushions.
Convenience group for $1995 is a deal for all you get and I would not pass on that.
To me, a base Sahara with no options seems to be the best deal for 2024
Do you know if the new 2024 rubicon 4xe also has a 5000lb tow rating??
Hey, you built the jeep I ordered! Great Minds! Cant wait to see my 24 Manual Green Willys
I really miss my 2010 JK Sport with manual transmission and manual windows etc. So simple and fun to work on - until I got incurable death wobble after a lift and sold it for a 2016 Rubicon JK
We have an 08 JK Sport with manual everything! We love it for many reasons, but I think we are going to sell it and go to one of the 4-doors. I love the simplicity of the vehicle, but then I also find it a bit annoying to have to reach across to roll down the window, lock the door, etc. At times that is a safety concern. But such a sweet, fun, simple vehicle overall! :)
@@susaneasterly 4 doors definitely need power locks and windows!
Why do you blow off the 2 doors?
Probably because he bought one, said he liked it (more than likely didn't due to lack of trunk space) and then sold it after a year and hasn't talked about it since.
I would go with manual transmission and cheapest Jeep.
Here ill do yall a big favor don't buy one just buy a old one and if it breaks down have some fun throw a actually reliable engine in it and have fun for a few thousand dollars rather than 60k
Wonderful post. My stock jeep is now 4 years old and ahhhm no issue what so ever golly gosh!
Exactly. Stroke an old 4.0 or LS swap an early 3.8 jk.
Tommy would love to hear your experience owning a manual. Is this something you would do again as a daily driver?
Thank you
This helped me alot to pick out my first jeep
I was thinking about selling my built 2020 JLUR for a 2024 JLR, but I just can’t justify the extreme jump in price o er the past 3 years. A similarly spec’s JLR was about 6k more than the JLUR. And that’s with the difference of 4 doors to a 2 door. Not worth it… I see why JeepsbRe piling up on the dealer lots now…
Just do NOT get the sky touch. Mine broke twice in 4 years (2020 Sahara)
I guess Tommy didn't know yesterday that in Colorado only 4e Wranglers will be available at Dealers. 14 States will only be getting 4e Wranglers!!
I will say THANK YOU for keeping manual windows and locks. Literally the only thing keeping this as an open option to purchase for me and the wife
Just curious why
@@alwaysdman94 Reliability, and longevity. We easily keep vehicles 10+ years. anything powered or automatic removes the users fine control of it. While manual locks and windows can break, its normally due to abuse or misuse, not age. Respect your vehicles and keep then serviced and they can last way longer then the norm. Power locks like to snap lever arms, power windows like to chew up regulators. All these things would be felt before they break on manual control options. Stop, don't force it, lubricate or adjust what's needed and no need to order/replace new parts.
@@IanNubbit good answer 👌🏽
@@IanNubbit : How is this for reliability & longevity. I still own a 1st gen '02 4x4 Tundra that I bought new in '02. My power windows/locks/sideview mirrors are all original & still working fine after 21+ years of use. In fact, the truck hasn't needed anything but routine maintenance since I bought it. But then again it's not a Jeep.
@@oneslackr People (Like me) associate (for good reason) power/automatic options with issues and failures. I hate auto trans, yes alot of the time they work just fine, but you have no control, you pick one of 4-5 options, and it decides what to do with that input (on modern vehicles almost entirely computer regulated at that). Power windows and locks at least for me, I see fail all the time, not everyone will fail, but the ONLY failed manual variants are from abuse or neglect. I see destroyed motor gears, most commonly the regulator just tears into spaghetti, with power, you won't know this is coming besides maybe the window goes up or down a little slow, with manual, you'd feel that resistance and know something's not going right well before failure. Manual locks all the same, those lock actuators are strong, they need to be, so if a cable is binding, it's just going to snap it or the snap the latch assembly holding the cable. Then you end up with that buzzing sound when you hit the lock button (super common on Grand Caravan's/Town & Country's for example.) Some people like the "For life, no service" style of vehicles that are being made now, they like the simpliciaty. From someone who works on them for a living, I hate it. Consumers enjoy the throw away aspect of cars. After 100k miles on basically any car being made now, it's either a ticking time bomb of powertrain failure waiting to happen, or the available list of parts, or the cost of those parts and the price of labor along with the numerous special tools and software licenses needed just to install simple parts (Like a fricken windshield) put it completely out of the realm of repair over replace. It sucks, but it's the world we live in. Some modern FCA products, If I replace a window motor, I have to have access to dealer software to reset codes, calibrate the new motor and it's travel, along with the fact the motor is closer to the $1,000 range. Long story short if for some reason you actually read this whole thing, I can fix what is simple, manufacture have made basically all electronics items over engineered and I'd rather just not have it. Even wrangler do stupid crap like have 2 different door latch sensors, on the same door, so if one fails, it lets you know, that you have to replace the whole latch, oh, you'll also have a check engine light in the meantime, start/stop won't work, and if it's an automatic, auto park will slam you into park when you go to take of 3 times before allowing you to actually drive away. For a door latch. This is why I don't want any of it. Even pulled out the door harness completely in out JL and JT (with manual locks and windows), because we don't want to ever have to deal with it.
Disadvantages of the 4xe are that the batteries take up a big chunk of cargo space. It’s great for around town, but for off roading and longer trips I don’t think it’s the best option. Plus the regenerative breaking is kind of weird. I was having a hard time choosing between the 4cyl and 6 cyl in automatic, but after hearing your review I decided to pay the extra cash for the V6.
V4 is fiat
So the 4xe does NOT qualify for the full $7500 ev tax credit…glad I looked that up. It does qualify for half the credit though. FYI
Is there a difference in price between the Lease option you chose over the buy?
Of course. If you lease you are just throwing money away like an idiot.
So Tommy, is the 3.6 V6 eTorque gone this year? If I order a Rubicon with the 3.6 V6 with the auto transmission, I'm getting the standard 3.6, no eTorque, is that correct?
He’s at $50k for a sport with a few options. Jeep is just paying Stellantis’ bills. Jeep is abandoning enthusiasts with this pricing. This is a BASIC small suv with a frame and solid axles. No rocket science happening here.
I just saw an article where Stellantis has paid Tesla $2.5 billion in the last two years for "Credits" because Tesla doesn't make gas cars and Stellantis does. That is insane. The credits are given to Tesla (and others) for free and Ford, GM and Stellantis have to buy carbon credits because they are producing cars that use more fuel than the government likes. That is insane. That is part of the reason prices have gone so high.
Blaming the government and car companies is fair but at the end of the day the consumers are at fault. It blows my mind how many people in the comments talk about ordering overpriced cars that aren’t even out yet. People like that are the reason these cars are unaffordable. Im convinced that most modern cars are priced double their worth.
You are the first person I have heard say the 4xe is a good option.
Thank god I bought my JT in 2021 so I could get the V6 auto! Can't live with being tiny-engine-turboed!
I thought the 2024 Wrangler offered powered seats? I don’t see the option in any of the builds.
I can't believe you claimed that a 2 door Wrangler can only carry 1 toaster oven...... I personally have managed 1 and 1/2 toaster ovens in mine!!!!!
i love Willys 4Xe with hard top brings the price to 63K. I cannot commute full electric and use gas when i go on trip.
Dealership told me they aren't making manuals on the gladiator for 2024 anymore. Smoke or truth
I have a doubt about the 392 20th Anniversary; Does this one have the new Dash board Screen panel than the 2024?? Why has never the question been brought up but all you tubers in regards to the 20th Anniversary Rubicon did not get that nice upgrade & presented as unique 2023 20th Anniversary ???
Amazing review! I learned something! Glad I watched!
4xe only qualifier for $3,750 federal rebate due to the battery not being made in North America