The Searchers: Finding Meaning in the Wild Frontier

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  • @brandonthomas6602
    @brandonthomas6602 3 роки тому +34

    Watched this film for the first time yesterday and haven't been able to stop thinking about it, Wayne's character is incredibly interesting. I had to go into the film with the knowledge that Wayne was an out-and-out white supremacist, and I was expecting depictions of racism all throughout the film(which there certainly is in there) but what I was not expecting was to find the most visually beautiful film I have ever seen in my life, unbelievably gorgeous shots of the American landscape, and the films heroes travelling through it. To me, Wayne's character is emblematic of the ugliest parts of American history and culture, Ethan is racist, a former confederate, and a criminal of some sort or other, and yet we know of his flaws, his story is still an exciting one, when Ethan walks off at the end, I think he understands that his hatred has no place in the lives of Debbie or Martin, and that he should not expect domestic people to abide by his beliefs, and so he leaves, understanding it would be better for him to wander, and search for something else. Excellent video here, probably the best I have found on this film.

    • @CineStructure
      @CineStructure  3 роки тому +6

      You hit the nail right on the head. The old west is definitely a place where our dates ways of thinking go to die. That's probably also why it's so often depicted as a desert or some equally inhospitable land.
      So glad you enjoyed the film as much as we did! And our video!!! That is truly such an amazing compliment!!!

    • @johnpatterson4816
      @johnpatterson4816 2 роки тому +1

      I've loved this movie since the first time I watched it nearly 50 years ago.
      I got a chance to see it on the big screen 30years ago.The film society at UT Austin showed it one Satutday night at Hogg Auditorium.
      Since I lived just 60miles south of Austin at the time(Flatonia to be exact)I drove to Austin to go see it.

    • @yankeepapa304
      @yankeepapa304 Рік тому

      Ethan's mirror image is Scar... He too has lost family to an alien culture. He too lives mostly for revenge. It is notable that Ethan is not the one to kill Scar... Martin is... Not out of hatred or revenge... but rather defending himself and Debbie. Actually, from the time that Ethan returns to the Jorgenson's ranch... he is not essential to the rest of the plot... Civilization...if you want to call it that has matured to where a near savage such as Ethan is no longer essential to the survival of the community... His soul may have been saved by his final awakening to the value of Debbie...but having lifted his bitterness...it doesn't give him any purpose once she has been returned to a loving family environment. He will indeed wander between the winds... YP
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    • @raymondpronovost2479
      @raymondpronovost2479 Рік тому +8

      You couldn't be more diametrically confused about the character of Ethan Edwards.

    • @brandonthomas6602
      @brandonthomas6602 Рік тому

      @@raymondpronovost2479 I don’t know if that’s right

  • @Krusader53
    @Krusader53 Рік тому +15

    The closing scene were John Wayne is standing in the doorway holding his right elbow, was supposedly a silent gesture to the memory of Harry Carey, who mentored him in his early career & starred together in 4 movies. It was a pose Carey used in several of his movies. His son, Carey Jr, starred in 9 movies with Wayne.

    • @CineStructure
      @CineStructure  Рік тому +2

      I love this! Thank you for the fun fact…it’s little pieces of movie history like this that make us love film so much. Appreciate the knowledge ☺️👍🏻

  • @tballstaedt7807
    @tballstaedt7807 Рік тому +17

    The Searchers has always been my favorite western movie ever since my childhood. It troubles me that before we are permitted to admire Fords wonderful work of cinema are, we must first pay homage to the woke gods by apologizing for the racist overtones of the characters. In modern times it is easy to cast judgment on those who settled in the west. But the reality is that this hatred of the Native American was rooted in a back and forth struggle for existence. The Comanches were especially brutal to the settlers. And the settlers responded in kind. All of this is is perfectly understandable under those circumstances. We have risen above all that today but we should unapologetically admire our ancestors both red and white for the tenacity and skill without condemning them through the lense of the 21st century.

    • @CineStructure
      @CineStructure  Рік тому +5

      Something that I admire very much about this film, and others like it, is that there’s an honesty about the reality of the film’s time period.
      I’m very much of the mindset that, despite our views today (whatever our personal opinions about and feelings toward events that transpired may be) we should never forget the occurrences of the past in the sense that we shouldn’t sugar coat them or hide them. The reality of existence for all sides was raw and harsh…no matter the lens…and this film captures that with a very honest and blunt portrayal while also paying homage to the incredible physical beauty of our countryside.

    • @Damon-p9u
      @Damon-p9u Місяць тому

      Well said lad.

  • @johnpatterson4816
    @johnpatterson4816 2 роки тому +44

    I always felt that John Wayne should got the Oscar for The Searchers.

    • @CineStructure
      @CineStructure  2 роки тому +1

      He gave an incredible performance!

    • @johnpatterson4816
      @johnpatterson4816 2 роки тому +4

      @@CineStructure I've always liked the loner in the movies.First and foremost John Wayne as Ethan Edward's in "The Searchers" is one of the greatest loners ever.
      Next on the list would be Alan Ladd in "Shane" followed by Robert De Niro as Travis Bickle in "Taxi Driver".
      And while not exactly true loners,Paul Newman as "Fast Eddie Felsen"in "The Hustler";Clint Eastwood in "The Outlaw Josey Wales" and last but by no means least Humphrey Bogart as Rick Blaine in "Casablanca"are honorable mention loners.

    • @CineStructure
      @CineStructure  2 роки тому +1

      Great movies! I’m with you…I love a good loner! 👍🏻

    • @theophilus749
      @theophilus749 Рік тому +3

      You bet! That Oscar did not recognise this performance is one of Oscar's more cardinal sins.

  • @ghostlightning
    @ghostlightning Рік тому +5

    I just finished watching the film, and my hands are kind of shaking. I'm so deeply impressed. I love westerns, but for some reason I ended up deeply admiring the nihilistic spaghetti Leone Eastwood Bronson ones because I paid attention to them first (I've seen westerns since I was a child but enjoyed them as a child would: cowboys vs indians). Now having seen Wyler's Big Country, and now this... I feel that there's such a muscular Americana here worth so much love and admiration. It's a stunning, dark film. I'm so happy I've seen it.

    • @CineStructure
      @CineStructure  11 місяців тому +1

      So glad you were able to watch it! It’s really such a landmark film.

  • @jc940
    @jc940 Рік тому +8

    Arguably the Greatest Western of all Time! Definitely one of my favorites.

  • @mustangmann3502
    @mustangmann3502 2 роки тому +17

    Greatest western ever . Wayne should have won an Oscar ! Cheers !1

    • @CineStructure
      @CineStructure  2 роки тому +2

      It’s a phenomenal film and his best work, in my opinion. 👍🏻

  • @wyrdwik4610
    @wyrdwik4610 7 місяців тому +3

    Watched it last night for the first time. Great film and while ill always favour sergio leone westerns this is probably the best american western and wayne is just fantastic in this.

    • @CineStructure
      @CineStructure  6 місяців тому +1

      I’m so glad you got a chance to enjoy it…it really is an amazing film!

  • @franklulatowskijr.6974
    @franklulatowskijr.6974 Рік тому +10

    I grew up watching this movie on VHS in the 80s. It is John Wayne and John Ford’s best film, and it’s about as Shakespearean as you can get for a western. There aren’t many films like this throughout all cinematic history. Spielberg and Scorsese both post is as a favorite for a reason.

    • @CineStructure
      @CineStructure  Рік тому +2

      Absolutely! It’s unique and amazing! We visited Monument Valley last year and seeing just one of the film’s settings in person really made it all the more special.

    • @theophilus749
      @theophilus749 Рік тому

      That you describe this film as "Shakespearean" makes you not in the least guilty of exaggeration.

  • @alvaropelayo8084
    @alvaropelayo8084 3 місяці тому

    Duke-land in his highest moment with John Wayne at his peak. God bless him for all the joy he gave us. He should have won the Oscar here.

  • @leonardoacevedo8880
    @leonardoacevedo8880 2 місяці тому

    Great video! I really enjoy this movie, not only impressed by the landscape of monument valley but also touched by the nuanced characters. I'm an Asian, in which the topic of racism is not so sensitive as in America. But the theme of the war between the white and the Indians really let me think hard. I've watched the film over and over for a month since i first saw it and for each time i could find new details and i always want to tear when seeing Ethan lift Debbie in the end. Really masterpiece and one of my favorite movies

    • @CineStructure
      @CineStructure  Місяць тому

      It truly is a masterpiece! We are so glad that you enjoyed it! We were so fortunate to visit Monument Valley a few years back and it’s such a magical and special landscape ✨

  • @martinward9780
    @martinward9780 2 роки тому +8

    Greatest movie ever

  • @droidx1191
    @droidx1191 Рік тому +3

    Good observations. One of my favorite movies...

    • @CineStructure
      @CineStructure  Рік тому

      So glad you enjoyed it! It's an amazing film! Thank you for the watch and the comment!

  • @jerrysumner4923
    @jerrysumner4923 2 місяці тому

    Simply the very best!

  • @Damon-p9u
    @Damon-p9u Місяць тому

    This is a brilliant assessment of the film, whoever you are. So perceptive. Good to see the Duke as a Confederate for once. "A misplaced man in a world that's moving on without him".........tell me about it. "We are all searchers"........absolutely.

    • @CineStructure
      @CineStructure  Місяць тому

      That means so very much, truly! We loved this film and really try to think about the undercurrents of everything we watch. Movies are such holistic experiences and it’s so great to get comments like yours and feel like we are doing some justice to these works of art. 😊

  • @frankbibby62
    @frankbibby62 2 роки тому +6

    Yep the best EVER was 10 yrs old when I first watched it I chocked up at times and still do 66 yrs later the film has powerful emotion ingrained in its fabric

    • @CineStructure
      @CineStructure  2 роки тому +1

      Absolutely! An incredibly relevant and impactful film! 🙌🏻

    • @rvh1946
      @rvh1946 Рік тому +1

      I was 10 also, even had the comic book. This movie is almost a spiritual experience for me. Never tire of it.

  • @Tordogor
    @Tordogor Рік тому +8

    I am a huge John Wayne fan - he is like a father figure for me.
    Love so much the very amusing 'The Comancheros', because it was the first JW movie I ever saw - when 6 yo., with my Granna (another JW fan!) The great Nehemiah Persoff and Stuart are marvelous in it.
    I cry like a baby every time I watch his character deaths in 'The Cowboys' and 'The Shootist'. Or the end of 'TMWS Liberty Valance'.
    My favorite movie of the Duke is the hugely entertaining and enjoyable 'Rio Bravo', which I have watched 300+ times in 52 years. I think that God smiles to me when it is shown - especially jointly to 'El Dorado' (~200 views also.)
    But I consider 'The Searchers' one of the three greatest movies ever made (with Wells' 'Citizen Kane' and Reed's 'The Third Man'. Moving, shocking, funny, even sometimes disgusting, but also tender and lovable. Wayne and Hunter are amazing - plus all the other members of the John Ford's ensemble of actors.
    And I cannot avoid the tears when Ethan returns from burying in his coat to his older niece - shockingly heartbreaking -, and at the end, when framed by the door, Ethan is left alone, turns around and leaves - sympathetically heartbreaking. It is very understandable why this movie is so admired and beloved.
    It is the highest peak of American and World filmmaking!!!

  • @williamadams5472
    @williamadams5472 Рік тому +4

    Best western ever made

    • @CineStructure
      @CineStructure  Рік тому

      Admittedly not having seen very many westerns , it’s my favorite thus far.

  • @campchairhistorian
    @campchairhistorian Рік тому +3

    A few movies are feasts for the perceptions but too many are famines. Whenever I'm left close to starvation, it's time to gorge on The Searchers.

  • @Swimmer47
    @Swimmer47 6 місяців тому +2

    The best western

    • @CineStructure
      @CineStructure  6 місяців тому

      Truly an epic film! I’m grateful we finally had an excuse to watch it!

  • @robbush6822
    @robbush6822 7 місяців тому +1

    I love this movie so much. It is my second favorite movie of all-time.

    • @CineStructure
      @CineStructure  7 місяців тому

      I can certainly see why…I’m not a lover of westerns and this had me from the beginning. That said, “Horizon: An American Saga” looks like it’s going to be phenomenal!

  • @joe103159
    @joe103159 Рік тому +1

    Thanks for an excellent video. Marvelous insights. I've seen this magnificent film many times, but never knew the fascinating detail of Nugent's description in the script of the medal Ethan gave to Debbie!

    • @CineStructure
      @CineStructure  Рік тому +1

      Thank you! We are so glad that you enjoyed it! One of our joys in life is learning the bts goodies for these films!

  • @damianlopez-gaston2466
    @damianlopez-gaston2466 Рік тому +2

    Nicely done.

  • @rudypitte5032
    @rudypitte5032 Рік тому +3

    Truly the best John Wayne movie!

    • @CineStructure
      @CineStructure  Рік тому

      I’ll admit I’ve not seen many of his films (this was actually the first), but I’m eager to watch more!

  • @MrNostalGuy
    @MrNostalGuy 10 місяців тому +1

    After having gone over some of the negative comments , I suddenly have a sort of Ethan feeling that I am uncomfortable in a world who doesn’t see the magnificence of this work of art and I want to wander… Overrated ? Disappointing ? Annoying music ? I surely agree with the ironic remark of Gordon… « Everyone has the right to be wrong »…

  • @jonathanstirling7167
    @jonathanstirling7167 Рік тому +2

    Best western ever….

  • @richard4135
    @richard4135 Рік тому +4

    great movie!

  • @johncurran6031
    @johncurran6031 Місяць тому

    Somehow The Searchers did not get a single Oscar nomination in any category. There are so many superlative elements in this film, cited in this video, that it makes one wonder what the Academy members were thinking at the time. Hollywood made it up to John Wayne years later and gave him the Oscar for Best Actor in True Grit. True Grit is a fine movie and Wayne was very good in it, but his performance in The Searchers is one for the ages. Wayne was also excellent in his final film, The Shootist, 1976.
    John Ford won the Oscar for Best Director four times and none of the films were westerns: The Informer(1935), The Grapes of Wrath (1940), How Green Was My Valley (1941), and The Quiet Man (1952). The cinematographer, Winton Hock, won the Oscar for his camera work in a John Ford film with Wayne, The Quiet Man, in 1952 but was overlooked for great work in The Searchers. At the time, Hollywood seems to have regarded westerns as not serious art the same way they ignored Hitchcock and never gave him an Oscar for Best Director. Hitch made suspense movies and they were not serious either, according to the thinking. Thinking, as we know, is hard.

    • @CineStructure
      @CineStructure  Місяць тому

      Shocking, right? It’s like horror today (and even some of the more incredible arthouse and subtly haunting horror of the past). Some genres are just frequently overlooked and it’s such a shame!

  • @julioinfante7384
    @julioinfante7384 Рік тому +4

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  • @harrybroad3572
    @harrybroad3572 3 місяці тому +1

    Great film

  • @lotharluder2743
    @lotharluder2743 11 місяців тому +1

    Seatching is good. Finding even better.

  • @theophilus749
    @theophilus749 Рік тому

    What about me?, you ask. Well, Cine Structure, you have put together one of the most perceptive reflections of Ethan Edwards in one of cinema's greatest works of art that I have encountered. I am a fan of westerns but not to worry if you are not, your recognition of a masterpiece will jolly well do me.

    • @CineStructure
      @CineStructure  Рік тому

      Thank you so much…that’s quite a compliment! Truth be told….we need to watch more westerns! They’ve really started to grow on me, especially after watching this one.

    • @theophilus749
      @theophilus749 Рік тому

      @@CineStructure One receives such good news very infrequently but may I suggest _Red River_ where Wayne joins forces with Howard Hawks. The poetic flow of the two films are similar.

  • @qmp666
    @qmp666 Місяць тому

    Nailed it

  • @Howard2006
    @Howard2006 Місяць тому

    Wonderful movie and one of John Wayne's and John Ford's best. This video explains a lot of the subtle parts of the movie. One question I have always had was why were Ethan's brother living there and how did they make a living? However, that makes little difference because the movie has so much to convey.

    • @CineStructure
      @CineStructure  Місяць тому

      It’s really so good! Excellent question…I guess I just always assumed he was a Homesteader who moved west to lay claim to land, but who knows. It must have been such a hard life at the time! So glad you enjoyed the video ☺️

  • @kentuckytraveler270
    @kentuckytraveler270 2 роки тому +4

    # 1 The searchers #2 lonesome dove, 3 young guns

  • @trilok7070
    @trilok7070 Рік тому +1

    *the climax of the movie makes it a classic*

    • @CineStructure
      @CineStructure  Рік тому

      100%!!!

    • @trilok7070
      @trilok7070 Рік тому

      ​​@@CineStructure hi,why no reviews for the past one year, are you busy? Btw contents are 🎉🔥

    • @CineStructure
      @CineStructure  Рік тому +1

      Thank you so much! Yeah it’s tricky…we both have intense careers (in the industry and in architecture).
      We were geared up to start again in the last few months and then we had a close personal family loss, our dog was diagnosed with and is fighting cancer, etc. Not to go all “womp womp” but it’s been a lot. When it rains, it pours…and, unfortunately, it rained all over the fire we had lit.
      BUT we aren’t done. We’ve just taken a more extended hiatus than we would have liked. Your support is truly inspiring to make us work harder to reinvigorate the channel. We’ve got some amazing films planned to analyze!

  • @padraickennedy1232
    @padraickennedy1232 Рік тому

    Another point I think is relevant to why Ethan is the man he is, could actully be related to the fact that he fought in the civil war. Im not here to argue on what the war was really about but as man who fought and survived, most likey witnessing horrific things and maybe even having some survivors guilt makes me wonder how the war affected him.

    • @CineStructure
      @CineStructure  Рік тому +1

      Absolutely. We still don’t adequately address PTSD for survivors and there was not much acknowledgement or awareness way back when. I can’t imagine any human living through something like that and not being affected in some way.

    • @padraickennedy1232
      @padraickennedy1232 Рік тому

      @@CineStructure Thank you for your response and might I say that version of amazing grace on the violin in your video is simply beautiful.

  • @paulsangiorgio3093
    @paulsangiorgio3093 3 роки тому +2

    great video :3

  • @williamadams5472
    @williamadams5472 Рік тому +3

    The John Wayne character was racist but people were pretty racist in the 1870s and had reason to be

    • @CineStructure
      @CineStructure  Рік тому +1

      We touched on this in another comment. Basically our saying it was not without realizing that it was historically accurate for various sociopolitical reasons relevant to the time period. We are certainly products of our environments and Ethan was no exception.

  • @wimsele
    @wimsele Рік тому +1

    Always suspected that Debbie is Ethan and Martha's daughter.

  • @Jomartproducts
    @Jomartproducts 6 місяців тому

    Great video! Couldn't shut it off.

    • @CineStructure
      @CineStructure  6 місяців тому

      Thank you so much! That really means the world to us!

  • @timedwards8944
    @timedwards8944 4 місяці тому +1

    Now days racism has to be dragged into everything it's a dam shame 😕😕😕

    • @CineStructure
      @CineStructure  4 місяці тому

      Unfortunately it’s just inherent with a movie of its time and subject that it would have these aspects. It’s not that we feel the movie is “racist,” but it’s certainly apparent and on full display that the attitudes and ideals of the time were. I’d rather be respectful to indigenous people by calling a spade a spade than pretend it wasn’t reality.

  • @Swimmer47
    @Swimmer47 6 місяців тому +1

    Ethan and Martha had Debbie…

  • @atholgreen59
    @atholgreen59 Місяць тому

    Don't want to be a pedant but Debbie wasn't Martha's only child , but was eventually the only remaining child.

  • @JosephHuether
    @JosephHuether Рік тому

    My only problem with The Searchers is that if you’ve spent any time exploring Monument Valley, you can’t get past the almost comical notion that they’ve spent 5 rears searchers the same corner of northwest Arizona over and over and over.
    Monument Valley is so iconic, riveting and unique that it doesn’t adequately convey distance and time across the 120 minutes of the film.
    BTW…I think Red River is a better “western” although it doesn’t have a strong supporting female character.
    Not central to the film but the overall story of the 200 year Comanche empire is truly fascinating and rarely highlighted in history books…possibly because it is at odds with the conventional “First-People as victims lacking agency” narrative.

    • @CineStructure
      @CineStructure  Рік тому

      I’ll have to check that one out! Thank you for the recommendation!
      We took a trip through Monument Valley a few years back…it was absolutely magical! And yes soooo unique! It was such a special place that I’d love to revisit.

  • @ericlarsen1920
    @ericlarsen1920 Рік тому +3

    "we know he believes in inequality because as a Texan he fought for the Confederacy in the Civil War". Hmmm. Not sure how I feel about that.

    • @CineStructure
      @CineStructure  Рік тому

      That's fair. It is a very definitive blanket statement, which could benefit from a more unbiased view. Good note for future videos 😊

  • @marcl2213
    @marcl2213 Рік тому

    I saw the film about a month ago, was disappointed by the overall story. The film is not a masterpiece for me, it’s an ok western that’s been over rated over the years. But it’s just my opinion, if the majority of people love it I can respect that.

    • @CineStructure
      @CineStructure  Рік тому +1

      As someone who’s not seen many westerns, I really loved it. But, as I said, I’ve not seen many westerns (practically none 😂), so my view on the genre and this particular film is certainly not a broad one. It certainly seems to be a favorite of many. ☺️

    • @michaelhuck
      @michaelhuck Рік тому +1

      I watched it when I was about 15 and stopped halfway through because I did not like it at all. Many years later I bought it on DVD and was surprised how good it is. I watched it several times now and always discover new things and absolutely love it now. Certainly the greatest performance John Wayne ever did but the whole movie is awesome. Wayne should have got an Academy Award for it. However my favorite John Wayne-John Ford movie is Donovan´s Reef, a movie that deals with racism but in a very different way. Maybe you should watch the movie again in couple of years and maybe you will discover things you did not realize the first time. I am glad I rewatched it.

    • @marcl2213
      @marcl2213 Рік тому

      @@michaelhuck Like i mentioned it’s not bad it’s only (for me) not as good as all those theories or analysis on this film say it is. To me there was so many little flaws like not having the right indians (the one we see under the rock is seeing breathing), the fact that the search last many years yet you feel Wayne and his partner just went on the road for a few seasons and came back, the weird moment of comic relief, etc. And the annoying music. I felt I was seeing an old western from the 40, except this time it was in colour. The good point of the film; superb photography! I haven’t seen a lot of John Ford’s westerns maybe because they are associated with b&w. I was more into spaghetti westerns at the beginning, then I discovered more westerns on the american side. Eventually I will see more of Ford’s work. Since viewing «the searchers» I saw a few interviews with the director. I was surprised how direct he was in the interviews (no bull••it for him). I think he was a very fine director that wanted to do a good job and was not incline too much on theorizing his work.

    • @michaelhuck
      @michaelhuck Рік тому +1

      @@marcl2213 you´re so right about the music, especially the singing at the end almost destroyed more than helped the movie. But this aside, it´s an amazing movie.

    • @gordonbartlett1921
      @gordonbartlett1921 11 місяців тому

      Everyone has the right to be wrong.

  • @Bonzulac
    @Bonzulac Рік тому +1

    The most overrated film in history

    • @CineStructure
      @CineStructure  Рік тому +1

      What would you consider to be the most underrated film in history?

    • @paulspears715
      @paulspears715 Рік тому

      @@CineStructure I think Citizen Kane is the most overrated, never been able to watch the whole thing

    • @williamadams5472
      @williamadams5472 Рік тому

      Overrated you are out of your mind

    • @lindajohnson4204
      @lindajohnson4204 Рік тому +1

      Not for people who understand it.

    • @jamiemacdonald2829
      @jamiemacdonald2829 Рік тому +1

      In your opinion.