@radreed yes pretty much but it's random loot but ever since final shape launched I've been getting so many good rolls on weapons but sadly they are not shiny no more
Yeah but no focusing means there are like 10 weapons in the pool, so you only have a 1/10 chance to get what you want. No shiny weapons means everybody is farming easy mode so you only get 1 drop per 10 waves.
@@mosesslai it’s really not as bad as I thought, either bungie has put all my rng luck into onslaught but I got my auto loading explosive light edge and frenzy whirlwind falling guillotine the first time they dropped
Timeworn Wayfarer is super good for PvE when paired with Heal Clip and Incandescent. After a kill, just loading one (technically 2 bullets) into the chamber counts as a reload which heals if you have Heal Clip, and heals your allies if they are within range too.
You can still farm Calus Mini Tool red borders when the “Presage” exotic mission comes around which we just had last week. RNG is not awesome but it’s definitely possible. You don’t need to “reset” the tower vendors for Perfect Pitch, its rank 16. Great video though!
Parabellum is another really good 900 rpm solar sub machine alternative. Its a world drop but can come with rewind rounds and frenzy or attrition orbs. Ive done some fun builds using all the orbs you can spawn and lets you spam abilities. Paired with solar weapon surge it essentially has a damage buff 24/7.
Don’t listen to the pros. Just do DPS that is known best to you and that is most consistent. I’m slightly above average, and my advice is to just play how you want.
Also a solar smg I feel like is worth mentioning if you dont have the new ritual smg or Calus mini tool is the world drop smg from last season called Parabellum. I'm not sure if it's still available but heliocentric is so I'd assume it would be. It can roll with heal clip, enlightened action or rewind rounds in the 3rd column & frenzy,adagio,or attrition orbs if you like that perk. Yeah its not the ad clear monsters like the other 2 but if you have neither,its a decent alternative.
If you're running anything that spams void debuffs, the ros arago(?) Newer world drop 600 void AR rolls repulsor and onslaught. I've been using it on a gyrfalcon hunter, and it's amazing
Another really good replacement for the Recluse that should be mentioned is Funnelweb, you can focus it from the gunsmith when it rotates in and it can roll with subsistence and frenzy. Very good smg that I still use in many of my void builds.
Yeah i played the Funnelweb for a while and it makes realie fun. I played in German so i can't say how the perks called english but IT IS absolutely worth it.
I got one of the 6/5 god roll crux terminations. Hard launch, impact, envious, bipod/surrounded, handling masterwork. Be jelly. I never use it cause apex pred exists 😭
Nah slideshot on crux is insane wym. Skips the entire reload animation by sliding, pretty much halves the total time it takes to shoot off all 9/10 rockets you have during a dmg phase
I don’t believe that people who need a video to tell them the alternatives to meta options would be able to adequately use slideshot. It takes a lot of dexterity to slide around without becoming a liability to your teammates, especially if you’re all on rockets.
If you have TFS, The Call should be your number 1 priority. It is pretty much the best rocket side arm now. Same for No Hesitation which is the healer support rifle and even Pro Memoria. And if you don't mind grinding Dares a little for your drops, you can get some good gear too like the BXR-55. Which can be crafted and is one of the top picks in game, demo and incandescent is really good. Finally if you are playing the Echoes episodes, it is actually some pretty dang fine gear. Timeworn wayfarer can get heal clip + incan, Sightline can get keep away/enlightened action with volt shot. Even Faith Keeper is essentially void Palmyra-B so it ain't bad!
I know you cant focus weapons from the onslaught loot pool anymore but talking like you cant get the guns anymore when its a very accessible activity is pretty poor imo.
I have all the Metas, it gets boring. It’s nice to go out of my way to find non-meta occasionally. That said, using non-meta stuff in ingame content is fucking annoying.
It’s so easy to get a crafted call side arm, just unlock it first through the missions and save paleheart engrams then when you unlock ghost vendor, hopefully you are as unlucky as me and only unlock 2 items then just decrypt engrams and give it a chance to drop call red borders
For the bosses that require a fusion rifle Techeun is the best, but you can get the same roll on the Axial Lucana, which is craftable and really easy to get from the Ghost with pale heart engrams, which you can get by farming exotic class items by opening chests.
Another rocket that is good that can get a similar role to apex that is cold comfort which comes from ghost of the deep with envious and bns is a very good rocket and the origin trait is also very useful
I’m trying to get the Epochal Integration. I have completed the nightfall campaign but I can’t get the quest Parting the veil to drop. Do I have to complete the nightfall campaign on legendary? Or do I have to complete the final warning exotic quest where you unlock all the aspects on one character?
@@EternalD2explosive with kinetic tremors is a lot better for higher end content because it just shreds higher health targets one for all is nice for general play but I just don’t like needing it to be reproc again to gain its benefits
Yeah its got good perks, unfortunately its a precision frame which means it has a little more ammo but overall does slightly less damage. But thats being elitist, either way its good
Yes fair enough, but in most cases for every gun in the game you need to unlock it to rebuy it. So yes you need to have it unlocked but then you can just go buy it
Lunas howl is meta, its great. Looking for easy to obtain alternatives here in the vid and right now the chances of focus farming a lunas and getting the god roll are way to low
guys, im going to be real with you. your not bad if you dont use meta, however i HIGHLY suggest going for it. specifically, zaolis bane. its very much worth it. ive used both it, and epochal integration. i understand getting the pattern is hard since you have to do raids, but zaolis just feels so much better than epochal, or any other incandescing weapons ive used. i have a lunas howl with heal clip incandesant, ive used calus minitool, the bxr battler, epochal, it just feels great to shoot man. personally i suggest doing for dragonfly (firefly? not sure what one) instead of incandescing for endgame content
Why would you pick firefly over incandescent you do realize incandescent is literally a better version of firefly incandescent on a solar weapon is literally a must have that perk has power crept any perk on a solar weapon just because how good it is
@@Spritesforpeeps nah I’m just saying incandescent outperforms firefly in every way possible when it comes to a solar weapons. Firefly is useless in endgame content and its just facts you’re suggesting very poor perk recommendations when it comes to endgame content where your perks actually do matter if you suggested firefly for just regular play I wouldn’t call you out on it. But suggesting firefly in endgame content is just stupid and saying it’s better than incandescent on a solar weapon is just plainly wrong
@@KalvinKoolAidKool Nah im saying that ive used it, and it worked, very well for me, and that its worth a try. and im allowed to say that, ive used it and had arguably more luck with it. you need to chill the fuck out. your still being very argumentative when im simply stating something i enjoy and find to work very well. why is that so irritating to you.
When I don’t feel like using Zaouli’s I switch off to the BXR battler, such a phenomenal weapon that’s easy to get.
I have a godroll Zaouli and I still use my crafted battler way more I just find it way better especially with demo incandescent
Yeaa love the bxr, although darkest before has been nice too
BXR got replace by Nullify for me with the same perk demo and incant but the 2 burst feel so good😢😢
How do you get bxr
@@wisdomb4086 xur gamemode
Lunas Howl heal clip incandescent is a mazing hand cannon!
A mazing? Or EHHHHNAZING or amazing ?
ive never gotten one, is onslaught worth farming for one still?
@@radreedonly if you dont want zaouli
@@AaronLathlin ok i already got it crafted
@radreed yes pretty much but it's random loot but ever since final shape launched I've been getting so many good rolls on weapons but sadly they are not shiny no more
You can still farm edge transit and midnight coup…. They drop in onslaught.
yeah but you cant increase their drop rate anymore meaning farming god rolls is extremely difficult nowadays
Yeah but no focusing means there are like 10 weapons in the pool, so you only have a 1/10 chance to get what you want.
No shiny weapons means everybody is farming easy mode so you only get 1 drop per 10 waves.
🤓 you can still get edge transit, but it will take a bunch of numbers of hours or just one run.
@@PapaG-cg4os thanks for repeating what i just said 👍
@@mosesslai it’s really not as bad as I thought, either bungie has put all my rng luck into onslaught but I got my auto loading explosive light edge and frenzy whirlwind falling guillotine the first time they dropped
As a solo player who’s never raided. I’ve solo’d duality a couple times. I appreciate this video
Timeworn Wayfarer is super good for PvE when paired with Heal Clip and Incandescent. After a kill, just loading one (technically 2 bullets) into the chamber counts as a reload which heals if you have Heal Clip, and heals your allies if they are within range too.
Subsistence, incandescent Lunas Howl is good legendary sunshot
me who has every single weapon he’s shown at god roll level and still watching the video:🙃
I actualy prefer epochal integration over zaoulis... is it better stat or perk wise? Prob not... but to me it just feels better
You can still farm Calus Mini Tool red borders when the “Presage” exotic mission comes around which we just had last week. RNG is not awesome but it’s definitely possible. You don’t need to “reset” the tower vendors for Perfect Pitch, its rank 16. Great video though!
Wait u can well ik what exotic mission I gotta farm like crazy now lol when it shows up
Parabellum is another really good 900 rpm solar sub machine alternative. Its a world drop but can come with rewind rounds and frenzy or attrition orbs. Ive done some fun builds using all the orbs you can spawn and lets you spam abilities. Paired with solar weapon surge it essentially has a damage buff 24/7.
Marsilion can be focused from Banshee this season and Crux can be farmed from LLS
Don’t listen to the pros. Just do DPS that is known best to you and that is most consistent. I’m slightly above average, and my advice is to just play how you want.
Also a solar smg I feel like is worth mentioning if you dont have the new ritual smg or Calus mini tool is the world drop smg from last season called Parabellum. I'm not sure if it's still available but heliocentric is so I'd assume it would be. It can roll with heal clip, enlightened action or rewind rounds in the 3rd column & frenzy,adagio,or attrition orbs if you like that perk. Yeah its not the ad clear monsters like the other 2 but if you have neither,its a decent alternative.
Um can’t you get Edge from Onslaught?
yes you can edge transit is in the loot pool its one of the brave reprised weapons
Dude straight up being disrepectful to the GOAT solar handcannon the beloved Sunshot
You’re lying about just go to Zavala and get it. You need to unlock them first the order is lost specifically you need to unlock.
Adhortative with heal clip incandescent is just as good as the darkest before👍👍
I’m pretty sure you can get the edge transit, midnight coup, and callus mini tool right now
I don’t use z bane I like using Lunas howl with heal clip and incandescent it’s sick a good add clear weapon
Explosive light is 60% damage boost on heavy GL
If you're running anything that spams void debuffs, the ros arago(?) Newer world drop 600 void AR rolls repulsor and onslaught. I've been using it on a gyrfalcon hunter, and it's amazing
I got them with reround bullets and more fire speed after a kill. It was soooo close to Take of the Finger from the delete Button.
you can still get apex predator by just opening the secret chests in the last wish
Parabellum is another good option for a solar SMG alternative with heal clip frenzy which can be farmed from LLS this season
What’s LLS? I have this gun and want to make it better
@@dakotar9566 Legend Lost Sector
6:00 explosive light is 40% on grenade launchers
great video very good simple info and easy to understand
Another really good replacement for the Recluse that should be mentioned is Funnelweb, you can focus it from the gunsmith when it rotates in and it can roll with subsistence and frenzy. Very good smg that I still use in many of my void builds.
Yeah i played the Funnelweb for a while and it makes realie fun. I played in German so i can't say how the perks called english but IT IS absolutely worth it.
Crux is good too bipod and reconstruction
Thats my GM nightfall one for arc surge
Suprised you didnt talk about faith keeper for the apex replacements
I got the crafted Version of this because i haven't the Apex and i can agree that it's still good.
I got one of the 6/5 god roll crux terminations. Hard launch, impact, envious, bipod/surrounded, handling masterwork. Be jelly. I never use it cause apex pred exists 😭
So Solar, Solar, Solar, Solar, Void, Solar, Solar, Kinetic, Solar, Solar, Solar, with a side of Solar. So tired of Solar sitting at the top man.
Womp womp
i use the number i got day 1 from cayde stash and its solar
Nah slideshot on crux is insane wym. Skips the entire reload animation by sliding, pretty much halves the total time it takes to shoot off all 9/10 rockets you have during a dmg phase
I don’t believe that people who need a video to tell them the alternatives to meta options would be able to adequately use slideshot.
It takes a lot of dexterity to slide around without becoming a liability to your teammates, especially if you’re all on rockets.
If you’re using rockets for a DPS rotation, then everyone else should be using them. Slideshot is killing someone almost definitely 😂
Or just use Clown Cartridge so you reload 2 instead of 1 by sliding 🤷🏻♂️ and saving a teammates life
If you have TFS, The Call should be your number 1 priority. It is pretty much the best rocket side arm now.
Same for No Hesitation which is the healer support rifle and even Pro Memoria.
And if you don't mind grinding Dares a little for your drops, you can get some good gear too like the BXR-55.
Which can be crafted and is one of the top picks in game, demo and incandescent is really good.
Finally if you are playing the Echoes episodes, it is actually some pretty dang fine gear. Timeworn wayfarer can get heal clip + incan, Sightline can get keep away/enlightened action with volt shot. Even Faith Keeper is essentially void Palmyra-B so it ain't bad!
wdym "even pro memoria", that lmg shreds.
This was the video I'm looking for. People may not have enough time to get meta so you have my appreciations and subscription.
Sorry for the question guys i just started destiny currently lightlevel 2004. how do i get the pistol and the apex?
I know you cant focus weapons from the onslaught loot pool anymore but talking like you cant get the guns anymore when its a very accessible activity is pretty poor imo.
I have all the Metas, it gets boring. It’s nice to go out of my way to find non-meta occasionally.
That said, using non-meta stuff in ingame content is fucking annoying.
It’s so easy to get a crafted call side arm, just unlock it first through the missions and save paleheart engrams then when you unlock ghost vendor, hopefully you are as unlucky as me and only unlock 2 items then just decrypt engrams and give it a chance to drop call red borders
For the bosses that require a fusion rifle Techeun is the best, but you can get the same roll on the Axial Lucana, which is craftable and really easy to get from the Ghost with pale heart engrams, which you can get by farming exotic class items by opening chests.
Another rocket that is good that can get a similar role to apex that is cold comfort which comes from ghost of the deep with envious and bns is a very good rocket and the origin trait is also very useful
isn't explosive light 60% damage boost on GLs specifically
I actually like epochal more than my 5/5 adapt zaoulis, just feels way better
Had been too busy too play much. They had reported you still can get the into the light weapons. It just won't be the shiny weapons
My brotha ain't going to mention Indebted Kindness with its much easier and cooler cousin The Call
brave weapons are still pretty accessible, sure you can’t focus anymore but it was always just up to chance for the roll anyways
If you don’t have zaoulis. Get it. It’s sunshot but legendary
I actually prefer malediction to zaoulis due to zaoulis handling and reload being kinda crap
This video was very helpful. Definitely subbing!
Homestly i like epoch with stats for all more than zhouli. Zhouli reload is so horrendous i cant bring myself ro use it.
Epochral is great with RoN weapons that put in work this expansion with so many “light and darkness wielding” enemies.
7:05 there's also a rl from Season of the Wish (Dreaming City rocket launcher) with autoloading
New scout rifle with heal clip incandescent seems super good.
DO YOU HAVE A VIDEO OR MAYBE LIST OF ALL THE BEST PVE META GUNS? GREAT VIDEO AND I SUBBED BECAUSE OF IT JUST FYI!! KEEP IT UP!!!
Bray tech osprey is a pretty good rocket
Yeah it is, got 1 with envious/bipod, 15 rockets with reserve mods, and 4 in the mag, with ads around obviously.
Good call 🫡
Easier solar gl is the seasonal chase weapon from a few seasons ago it's in the monument to lost light kiosk
I’m trying to get the Epochal Integration. I have completed the nightfall campaign but I can’t get the quest Parting the veil to drop. Do I have to complete the nightfall campaign on legendary? Or do I have to complete the final warning exotic quest where you unlock all the aspects on one character?
From memory, you need to unlock all the aspects/fragments on one character
Ive got a reconstruction bipod crux termination
You can get edge transit from doing Onslaught
What’s tue godroll for midnight ?
i like explosive payload/one for all, explo/rampage is nice too
@@EternalD2explosive with kinetic tremors is a lot better for higher end content because it just shreds higher health targets one for all is nice for general play but I just don’t like needing it to be reproc again to gain its benefits
@@KalvinKoolAidKool i dropped with explosive and kinetic so is good ?
@@FSosuu yeah it’s good explosive shreds shielded enemies while kinetic tremors destroy orange enemies and yellow bar enemies time to time.
@@FSosuu firefly is also decent for general play
I needed this video so much!
I like the heavy weapon in the granate launcher slot
apparently the new seasonal rocket launcher is good? idk tho
Yeah its got good perks, unfortunately its a precision frame which means it has a little more ammo but overall does slightly less damage. But thats being elitist, either way its good
Heal clip incandescent on the Lunas is pretty nice too, enhanced perks are available too
Good talk bruv mad chat thats how we win grand finals!
bro snugged helldivers theme in here
I need edge transit
Not a fan of gls
Just for anyone to know you can still get edge transit through onslaught
Super rare unfortunately but not impossible
Edge transit and midnight coupe are still available in the vanguard tab.
Yes but extremely rare to get the gun you want and then get the god roll aswell, not worth the time imo.
@@EternalD2 Welcome to grinding.
Good alternative to midnight coop?
the new stasis hand cannon from the pale heart
Just farm midnight. I get like 4-5 per session.
Thanks mate 🎉
You can’t buy the Warden’s Law unless you get it thru nightfall
Its a matchmade Hero level activity. It's literally just a strike but you only do the same one.
@@NoBloons I feel u just feel like he shoulda mentioned it for people that have never gotten one cuz you can’t just go buy one
Then play the nightfall 😂
Yes fair enough, but in most cases for every gun in the game you need to unlock it to rebuy it. So yes you need to have it unlocked but then you can just go buy it
The trials grenade launcher dude. That’s the best alt. Demo and bait n switch on a hunger. Put a head nade and reload doge. Heal nade for blast dmg
luna's houl is just better than the neomuna hc and aguably better than oryx hc depending on the build, luna's houl not being on the list is a crime
Lunas howl is meta, its great. Looking for easy to obtain alternatives here in the vid and right now the chances of focus farming a lunas and getting the god roll are way to low
@@EternalD2, yeah, but you also reccomended fatebringer, and finding 3 people to farm is easier than 6
guys, im going to be real with you. your not bad if you dont use meta, however i HIGHLY suggest going for it. specifically, zaolis bane.
its very much worth it. ive used both it, and epochal integration. i understand getting the pattern is hard since you have to do raids, but zaolis just feels so much better than epochal, or any other incandescing weapons ive used.
i have a lunas howl with heal clip incandesant, ive used calus minitool, the bxr battler, epochal, it just feels great to shoot man.
personally i suggest doing for dragonfly (firefly? not sure what one) instead of incandescing for endgame content
Why would you pick firefly over incandescent you do realize incandescent is literally a better version of firefly incandescent on a solar weapon is literally a must have that perk has power crept any perk on a solar weapon just because how good it is
@@KalvinKoolAidKool why are you being so antagonistic. Because I TRIED THE FUCKING PERK and it performed very well
@@Spritesforpeeps nah I’m just saying incandescent outperforms firefly in every way possible when it comes to a solar weapons. Firefly is useless in endgame content and its just facts you’re suggesting very poor perk recommendations when it comes to endgame content where your perks actually do matter if you suggested firefly for just regular play I wouldn’t call you out on it. But suggesting firefly in endgame content is just stupid and saying it’s better than incandescent on a solar weapon is just plainly wrong
@@KalvinKoolAidKool Nah im saying that ive used it, and it worked, very well for me, and that its worth a try. and im allowed to say that, ive used it and had arguably more luck with it. you need to chill the fuck out. your still being very argumentative when im simply stating something i enjoy and find to work very well. why is that so irritating to you.
I'm pretty sure they un-nerfed the precision frame rockets and now palmyra is stronger than apex predator