Mao china? Nazi Germany? Mussolin's Italy? the imperial Japan? How did these societies end up? In current times, would you live in North Korea or any Islamist country or Paris? Exactly. Freedom of Speech is the bedrock of society.
He is always like this. 90% of the times he is just bickering about stuff. “I am better than you,” “ i can run away to canada” “ you people are stupid”. I just despise him for that. He can have an opinion about indian public, but i have an opinion of him being shit and pretending to be better than us.
@@prabalsharma8466 a monologue where you go like this “Please read…all of you are fools…because of you the country is like this… I am not atheist…I am carvaka … intellectually superior…don’t ask stupid questions…. I believe in free speech …you don’t ….you are an idiot… I read 500 pages… what do you do…I don’t care about your question… I don’t care about you or the issue…but I will rant about the issue for 2 hours… I am above twitter nonsense….but I will post my profound thoughts on twitter….” Gahhhhhhhhhhh…give it a rest and shut up…if you can’t get rid of that hubris..
Hey Kushal! It may be interesting to have multiple people for the defence podcast. You could try 2-3 people. A soldier, a geopolitical analyst and perhaps someone who does defence related economics. You would get the man on the ground (tactical) and the strategic perspectives.
Unn sab ke saamne iss ddhakosley-baaz 'free speech absolutist' ko apna mooh bandh rakkhna padega aur yeh wahaan par apni bakaithi nahi kar paayega. Isiliye shaayad.
A serious person would watch the series and state point by point deviation from the truth corroborating with the actual events. It seems more about the maker than the content of the show itself
Seriously dude!!! No one is saying it’s anti Hindu except you. The question is why did they hid the true identity of the criminals and why the twisted the truth so much that it looks totally compromised. You seem to be really anti Hindu judging by your comment. So back off😊
I saw the series and at no point was I under the impression that the hijackers were anything but Muslims. The first episode showed how Pakistani intelligence planted a bomb in the plane. The people who they wanted released were all Muslims. And why would the Taliban help the terrorists if they weren't Muslims? The code names used were the code names that the hijackers actually used in real life and just because some of them were Hindu sounding there was no indication that these were their real names. One of the code names was "doctor" and I certainly didn't believe he was actually a doctor. This wasn't "creative expression". It was what actually happened.
Kuch nahi.. sab bakwaas hai.. the film makers have hit on the right formula to get people to watch and decide for themselves ki kya controversy hai, aur controversy hai bhi ya nahi.. we are the joke
When film makers weren't present in that flight, how can they replicate everything and make a movie out of it? Matlab kuch bhi? Sabko dikh rha hai ki whitewashing kr rha Dallawood.
@@GeneJohnson-vy2ci So some people can make an entire movie based on word of mouth, but some can't make opinion or critique it even after the court itself noticed that movie does not clarify true identity of terrorists? Hence the disclaimer (a joke of a corrupt legal systems free escape).
@@KenKaneki_Kibutsuji The lead terrorists were named. One of them was the brother of a Muslim terrorist who the Indians had imprisoned. Not even for moment was it suggested that the terrorists were Hindu. In fact it was exactly the opposite. It was quite clear that the terrorists were Muslims especially since they wanted to land in Kabul Afghanistan run by the Taliban (later they changed the landing place to Kandahar). Why would Hindus want to go to Taliban controlled territory?
@@KenKaneki_Kibutsuji Why would Hindus want to fly to Taliban Controlled Kabul Afghanistan (later they changed it to Kandahar)? One of the Hijackers went on the terrorist attack because he wanted to free his Muslim brother who India had imprisoned. No one in his or her right might would have thought for even a moment that these hijackers were Hindus. I guess the show gave people too much credit.
The traditional political compass is flawed in its system of orientation (ie existence of socialist libertarianism, etc). Take the Advocates for self governance test, if yall wanna get a different, maybe more accurate measure for your political orientation.
Isn't the series based on the book written by the pilot which also contains accounts from the survivors? If the terrorists used those names then it was what was presented in the show. The whole outrage doesn't make sense unless these names were not specifically mentioned in the book.
The names themselves are not the problem and I am not sure why everyone is fixated on that. Vir Sanghvi got it right, it is a free promotion for the ISI. Intent was to show that the ISI was somehow not involved in the hijacking, when it clearly was. This not limited to this pos web-series either. The movie Pathaan shows similar shit, a rogue general is responsible for terror plots against India instead of the state machinery of Pakistan. The ISI even attempts to help India. The Tiger series of films, also produced by YRF, show the same thing. This is the same thinking which has stopped Bollywood to make realistic movies on the partition. Save for a few like Garam Hawa, which captures the thought process of post partition India. Desperate West Punjabi Hindus and Sikhs getting into the leather trade shunned by the local Hindus, the Muslim tangawala not leaving India because he is uneducated and resettling in Karachi or Lahore will be impossible. The worst part is that most of the production houses in Bollywood are owned by West Punjabi Hindus, Chopras, Johars, Kapoors. Yet they seem to carry a candle for Pakistan.
2 things - First it is not entirely based on the book and is fictionalised. Anubhav said this in his interview in The Hindu. Second, will you show Ajmal Kasab name in a series made on 26/11 or his code name Sameer Chaudhary. The problem is that the Government knew the real names and where they live but he didn't show that. Bonus point, he made a joke out of the government. The government didn't perform up to the mark but people like Ajit Doval were sincere people who negotiated to the core. Not giving orders to send troops was of Government and not of our Intelligence Officers. Doval brought them down to 3 terrorists in place of 28 but this brat in hate of Modi showed him as an idiot/joke. Also it is a freaking propaganda piece of ISI. ISI was involved in this to its core but he was like no ISI was Mahatma Gandhi in this and the Indian Government was Chaplin. Hate for Modi is justified but he converted it into hate against the nation. Can you guarantee that Pakistan will never use this series internationally and say that the Indian Government was lying and Pakistanis were innocent. They will simply say - Your people do not believe in you how can the world believe you
Agar itni hi khujli thi uss Anubhav bh@dve Sinha ko sacchaai prasthuth karne ki toh harr baar jab bhi unn aatankvaadi paathron ka naam pukaara jaata tab screen par brackets mein unnka asli Ice-Slamic naam kyun nahi dikha sakta tha? National Geographic ke documentaries dekhe nahi hain kabhi tu ney? Aisa karte hain na uss mein? Tum sab ki problem kya hai boss? Huh? Desh chaahey jaaye tel leney, log marr jaayein magar tumhaare pyaare Karachiwoodiyon ka dhandha chalta rahe eh? Sharam nahi aati hai to defend the indefensible??!!
@@GeneJohnson-vy2ci Shown as a junior party, the goi officers are seen talking about using ISI as diversionary tactic. ISI is not shown conversing with masterminds. They are not even shown as part of the success celebrations. Read up on the Vir Sanghvi article on the series.
@@KartikPandey-mk9td one issue which I would point out is that there is excessive dramatization of the negotiation scenes. It nothing short of Bollywood melodrama. But clean cheat to ISI, no, that is not true. Also, there was whitewashing of what the terrorist did inside the plane. U can check out the eye whiteness accounts regarding that aspect.
Abey bhai woh hijackers ne code names use kiye the aur do ka waqai code name Bhol aur Shankar tha. Pehle baat check toh kr liya kro krne se pehle tok bewakoof nahin lagoge duniya ke aage.
Disagree with your and Anand’s view on “free speech absolutism”. We are simply trying to retrofit a western construct into Indian milieu. As with wokeism, as with communism. We are a society with traditions and each of them have their own gravity. Rubbishing them is what Rafool Ghandi does. Why do you cry foul when he makes obnoxious statements? He is entitled to his “free speech”, isn’t he? C’mon Kushal, we need to know better Free speech absolutism just leads to anarchy
Rahul has every r8 to spew venom and others have every r8 to counter the venom. When speech is punishable(it may be heinous/immoral) then it can also be weaponised by political/religious outfits.
@@Mkayou We are a Dharmik country, Dharmik and socio-dharmik outfits will have their say and they should. I’m not going to let some johnny talk rubbish about Shri Rama and Shri Krishna and get away with free-speech absolutism. As for Rafool, he’s shameless anyway. He’s going to come up with more inanities. Will he speak the same about Islam? The day he does, I’ll gladly buy into this free speech nonsense.
@@nithinvijaykoushik15 What is the definition of Dharma? If it is subject to change in different scenarios then it cant be a word in rulebook. Also Rahul Gandhi is a Edge Case to be countered by merit and not by giving him legitimacy by censoring.
@@Mkayou Forget the debate on Dharma, that’s for another time. I’m not asking for curbing Rafool’s speech. The more he speaks, the better. I’m asking for a definition of free speech. There’s a very thin line between free speech and derogatory speech. Today derogatory speech is passed off in the garb of free speech. Free is a relative term. The West’s definition of free is not Bharat’s definition of free. That’s where I have a problem with Kushal and Anand. They both are trying to foist the West’s definition of free into Bharat.
@@nithinvijaykoushik15 Then Tell me the line what is free and what is not free to speak? if anyone is saying/speaking derogatively against Gods then i would say let them make a fool of themselves or be proven as a a**hole. If it is call to violence ex:- k*ll certain person, Plan a violent like this etc then it is criminal. I wont say tht im free speech absolutist. But i support free speech with few simple principles in place. IMO Kushal ain't Free speech absolutist. and to the point west's free speech is not Bharat's definition of free can u please elaborate?
How much Freedom Of Speech is safe for the society?...We already have a case study of How French Society got destroyed due to excess liberalism...
Mao china? Nazi Germany? Mussolin's Italy? the imperial Japan? How did these societies end up? In current times, would you live in North Korea or any Islamist country or Paris? Exactly. Freedom of Speech is the bedrock of society.
half the podcast was the guy bickering on nonsense
yea it gets tiring when he's just scolding his own audience most of the time.
He is always like this. 90% of the times he is just bickering about stuff. “I am better than you,” “ i can run away to canada” “ you people are stupid”. I just despise him for that. He can have an opinion about indian public, but i have an opinion of him being shit and pretending to be better than us.
It is a monologue ffs 🤦♂️🤦♂️
@@prabalsharma8466 a monologue where you go like this “Please read…all of you are fools…because of you the country is like this… I am not atheist…I am carvaka … intellectually superior…don’t ask stupid questions…. I believe in free speech …you don’t ….you are an idiot… I read 500 pages… what do you do…I don’t care about your question… I don’t care about you or the issue…but I will rant about the issue for 2 hours… I am above twitter nonsense….but I will post my profound thoughts on twitter….”
Gahhhhhhhhhhh…give it a rest and shut up…if you can’t get rid of that hubris..
Kushal hates everyday Indians that's a fact.
Hey Kushal! It may be interesting to have multiple people for the defence podcast. You could try 2-3 people. A soldier, a geopolitical analyst and perhaps someone who does defence related economics. You would get the man on the ground (tactical) and the strategic perspectives.
Unn sab ke saamne iss ddhakosley-baaz 'free speech absolutist' ko apna mooh bandh rakkhna padega aur yeh wahaan par apni bakaithi nahi kar paayega. Isiliye shaayad.
A serious person would watch the series and state point by point deviation from the truth corroborating with the actual events. It seems more about the maker than the content of the show itself
Seriously dude!!! No one is saying it’s anti Hindu except you. The question is why did they hid the true identity of the criminals and why the twisted the truth so much that it looks totally compromised. You seem to be really anti Hindu judging by your comment. So back off😊
I saw the series and at no point was I under the impression that the hijackers were anything but Muslims. The first episode showed how Pakistani intelligence planted a bomb in the plane. The people who they wanted released were all Muslims. And why would the Taliban help the terrorists if they weren't Muslims? The code names used were the code names that the hijackers actually used in real life and just because some of them were Hindu sounding there was no indication that these were their real names. One of the code names was "doctor" and I certainly didn't believe he was actually a doctor. This wasn't "creative expression". It was what actually happened.
Yes but the series did not even try to portray that those were not there real names
@@ARYANJEE-uu3qe it did
Your comment section is filled with bots, numbers after usernames. 🤦♂️
Watch Fauda Kushal, It's an Israeli show made by ex-special forces guys. It is fantastic!!!!
Kuch nahi.. sab bakwaas hai.. the film makers have hit on the right formula to get people to watch and decide for themselves ki kya controversy hai, aur controversy hai bhi ya nahi.. we are the joke
If you haven't watched the series, how to you present a critique?
When film makers weren't present in that flight, how can they replicate everything and make a movie out of it?
Matlab kuch bhi? Sabko dikh rha hai ki whitewashing kr rha Dallawood.
@@KenKaneki_Kibutsuji Accounts of the the passengers. It was based on a book that the pilot of the flight wrote.
@@GeneJohnson-vy2ci So some people can make an entire movie based on word of mouth, but some can't make opinion or critique it even after the court itself noticed that movie does not clarify true identity of terrorists? Hence the disclaimer (a joke of a corrupt legal systems free escape).
@@KenKaneki_Kibutsuji The lead terrorists were named. One of them was the brother of a Muslim terrorist who the Indians had imprisoned. Not even for moment was it suggested that the terrorists were Hindu. In fact it was exactly the opposite. It was quite clear that the terrorists were Muslims especially since they wanted to land in Kabul Afghanistan run by the Taliban (later they changed the landing place to Kandahar). Why would Hindus want to go to Taliban controlled territory?
@@KenKaneki_Kibutsuji Why would Hindus want to fly to Taliban Controlled Kabul Afghanistan (later they changed it to Kandahar)? One of the Hijackers went on the terrorist attack because he wanted to free his Muslim brother who India had imprisoned. No one in his or her right might would have thought for even a moment that these hijackers were Hindus. I guess the show gave people too much credit.
The traditional political compass is flawed in its system of orientation (ie existence of socialist libertarianism, etc). Take the Advocates for self governance test, if yall wanna get a different, maybe more accurate measure for your political orientation.
Isn't the series based on the book written by the pilot which also contains accounts from the survivors? If the terrorists used those names then it was what was presented in the show. The whole outrage doesn't make sense unless these names were not specifically mentioned in the book.
The names themselves are not the problem and I am not sure why everyone is fixated on that. Vir Sanghvi got it right, it is a free promotion for the ISI. Intent was to show that the ISI was somehow not involved in the hijacking, when it clearly was.
This not limited to this pos web-series either. The movie Pathaan shows similar shit, a rogue general is responsible for terror plots against India instead of the state machinery of Pakistan. The ISI even attempts to help India. The Tiger series of films, also produced by YRF, show the same thing.
This is the same thinking which has stopped Bollywood to make realistic movies on the partition. Save for a few like Garam Hawa, which captures the thought process of post partition India. Desperate West Punjabi Hindus and Sikhs getting into the leather trade shunned by the local Hindus, the Muslim tangawala not leaving India because he is uneducated and resettling in Karachi or Lahore will be impossible.
The worst part is that most of the production houses in Bollywood are owned by West Punjabi Hindus, Chopras, Johars, Kapoors. Yet they seem to carry a candle for Pakistan.
@@ankitait2 Not involved? The series specifically mentioned how the ISI helped put a bomb in the plane.
2 things - First it is not entirely based on the book and is fictionalised. Anubhav said this in his interview in The Hindu.
Second, will you show Ajmal Kasab name in a series made on 26/11 or his code name Sameer Chaudhary. The problem is that the Government knew the real names and where they live but he didn't show that.
Bonus point, he made a joke out of the government. The government didn't perform up to the mark but people like Ajit Doval were sincere people who negotiated to the core. Not giving orders to send troops was of Government and not of our Intelligence Officers. Doval brought them down to 3 terrorists in place of 28 but this brat in hate of Modi showed him as an idiot/joke. Also it is a freaking propaganda piece of ISI. ISI was involved in this to its core but he was like no ISI was Mahatma Gandhi in this and the Indian Government was Chaplin. Hate for Modi is justified but he converted it into hate against the nation. Can you guarantee that Pakistan will never use this series internationally and say that the Indian Government was lying and Pakistanis were innocent. They will simply say - Your people do not believe in you how can the world believe you
Agar itni hi khujli thi uss Anubhav bh@dve Sinha ko sacchaai prasthuth karne ki toh harr baar jab bhi unn aatankvaadi paathron ka naam pukaara jaata tab screen par brackets mein unnka asli Ice-Slamic naam kyun nahi dikha sakta tha?
National Geographic ke documentaries dekhe nahi hain kabhi tu ney? Aisa karte hain na uss mein?
Tum sab ki problem kya hai boss? Huh? Desh chaahey jaaye tel leney, log marr jaayein magar tumhaare pyaare Karachiwoodiyon ka dhandha chalta rahe eh? Sharam nahi aati hai to defend the indefensible??!!
@@GeneJohnson-vy2ci Shown as a junior party, the goi officers are seen talking about using ISI as diversionary tactic. ISI is not shown conversing with masterminds. They are not even shown as part of the success celebrations.
Read up on the Vir Sanghvi article on the series.
Watched the entire series. I seriously can’t make out what was so anti Hindu in there😅…
Some people are saying that they made fun of raw and ajit doval and gave cleansheet to isi. Is it true ?
@@KartikPandey-mk9td one issue which I would point out is that there is excessive dramatization of the negotiation scenes. It nothing short of Bollywood melodrama.
But clean cheat to ISI, no, that is not true.
Also, there was whitewashing of what the terrorist did inside the plane. U can check out the eye whiteness accounts regarding that aspect.
@@adityabhattacharyya600 so they whitewashed terrorists? ( asking because you WROTE it)
@@Questionizer-m7h no they did not include it. There was absolute whitewashing of the radical aspects of the hijackers
@@Questionizer-m7h yep true
Abey bhai woh hijackers ne code names use kiye the aur do ka waqai code name Bhol aur Shankar tha. Pehle baat check toh kr liya kro krne se pehle tok bewakoof nahin lagoge duniya ke aage.
There is nothing anti-hindu in the series... What is this outrage about?
I would be more offended at "Delhi Police Force". I thought that series "humanized" the terrorist much more than was necessary for the drama.
Disagree with your and Anand’s view on “free speech absolutism”.
We are simply trying to retrofit a western construct into Indian milieu. As with wokeism, as with communism.
We are a society with traditions and each of them have their own gravity. Rubbishing them is what Rafool Ghandi does. Why do you cry foul when he makes obnoxious statements? He is entitled to his “free speech”, isn’t he?
C’mon Kushal, we need to know better
Free speech absolutism just leads to anarchy
Rahul has every r8 to spew venom and others have every r8 to counter the venom. When speech is punishable(it may be heinous/immoral) then it can also be weaponised by political/religious outfits.
@@Mkayou We are a Dharmik country, Dharmik and socio-dharmik outfits will have their say and they should.
I’m not going to let some johnny talk rubbish about Shri Rama and Shri Krishna and get away with free-speech absolutism.
As for Rafool, he’s shameless anyway. He’s going to come up with more inanities. Will he speak the same about Islam? The day he does, I’ll gladly buy into this free speech nonsense.
@@nithinvijaykoushik15 What is the definition of Dharma? If it is subject to change in different scenarios then it cant be a word in rulebook.
Also Rahul Gandhi is a Edge Case to be countered by merit and not by giving him legitimacy by censoring.
@@Mkayou Forget the debate on Dharma, that’s for another time.
I’m not asking for curbing Rafool’s speech. The more he speaks, the better.
I’m asking for a definition of free speech.
There’s a very thin line between free speech and derogatory speech. Today derogatory speech is passed off in the garb of free speech.
Free is a relative term.
The West’s definition of free is not Bharat’s definition of free.
That’s where I have a problem with Kushal and Anand. They both are trying to foist the West’s definition of free into Bharat.
@@nithinvijaykoushik15 Then Tell me the line what is free and what is not free to speak?
if anyone is saying/speaking derogatively against Gods then i would say let them make a fool of themselves or be proven as a a**hole. If it is call to violence ex:- k*ll certain person, Plan a violent like this etc then it is criminal.
I wont say tht im free speech absolutist. But i support free speech with few simple principles in place. IMO Kushal ain't Free speech absolutist.
and to the point west's free speech is not Bharat's definition of free can u please elaborate?