As always, didn't account for Necropolis specific stuff like corpses and Allflames, so these videos stay relevant for longer than a league. If you wanna go extra cheap, skip the 6c map device harbies. If your character is extra bad, add shrines / Niko for character power. Short term decent money, long term BIG payoff possibility. Very versatile, only needs 29 points on the tree, you can combine it with a bunch of stuff if you want to spend more time in the maps. Cool strat. Thanks for watching!
There is multiple downsides to do the lottery atm. From my mediocre sample size (tested on 1000 harbingers with single shard type and then 10000 shard drops without lottery scarab, showing all shards of course), rarity of shards increased very slightly, but the time it would take you to see a single fracture proc is increased from avg 5 maps to ~70. Even worse that without lottery scarab you would just run another 3 harbingers, which makes average outcome per map even better, and then there is a bug or inefficient order of operations about harbinger nodes: 100% chance to drop an additional stack of currency from the tree nodes a) does not apply to big harbingers at all, and b) does not get converted into a single currency type via scarab. That means when you fishing for dophamine, not only you see nothing on your screen and sometimes you see shit ton of clicking for ancient/annulment at once (which is also less healthy that picking up 0-5 shards per harby imo), but there is also a way to fuck up your payoff: you have 25% chance that fracturing shards would roll on a small harbinger (because 75% of your harbingers are big) and thats already like 2 orbs instead of 5+, but then it could also roll on that extra shard stack (which actually happened in my tests), absolutely destroying your motivation to keep going after seeing two fracturing shard stacks (they do double by other scarab still) in 70 maps (or more if you got unlucky on that as well). I did get a proper big harbinger drop too, but it didn't feel as good as it would if I just ran them normally and get consistent drops. Also assumed values per map were in favor of doing non-lottery as well, but it might be low enough data size. However if it is not noticeable at 1k harbingers and you still go down in terms of outcomes (compared to regular setup), then maybe its not worth doing, at least for me:) As a side note, chance to get a full orb seems to be around 6%, transmutes mixed the data up to 7% but i suspect they just dropped 20 stacks from big harbies sometimes.
These videos are a really cool resource, but if someone looks up "harbringer farming" it wont show up with this title or hashtags lol (ideally people find your channel regardless, great content)
@@tenkid840901 tldr is do +3 harbi instead of lottery scarab unless you're fishing for a mirror, as it is not worth it in range of hundreds of maps, only thousands.
ive been doing a bunch of harpies this league. and i reckon ive dropped fracturing shards once around 100-150 maps. and with thoose scarabs thats usually around 4-8 fracturing orbs depending on luck. its def good and will be a decent sleeper strat for next league.
I ran harbs without discernment for about 80 maps and ended up with 6.5 fracturing orbs. I think banking on the jackpots from discernment probably results in less currency overall unless you get super lucky and get a mirror explosion.
A good tip for running harbiinger is to roll for action speed for monsters it makes harbingers spawn faster. I have around 300 maps done with this strat and i got 1 fracture explosion :( but i still love it :D
One nice thing is that you can run those maps white, if your build is not that strong, as it does not affect the loot from Harbies. Additionally, you don't need to be super-speedy, as you have to wait for the Harbies to spit out their bois. It is a massive gamble, as fracturing orbs are stupid rare and not worth that much. Plus, even with the Fracturing orbs, you are not making that much profit (just talking about the harbie drops), you are really mostly just waiting it out for 50/100/500, maybe thousands of maps until you get that mirror drop from them. Also, the Fracturing drops with this setup are usually at 4-7 orbs per big Harbie, not just 3, so the Fracturing orb drops are worth some 16-28D when they happen.
I average 5 fracturing orbs per drop, and have made tons of divs from annuls. Ancient orbs were valuable once, but was using a few hundred last night and hit a HH, fuckin 6 divs. What a league.
@@AquaticSkipper No, nothing affects the drops from Harbies, aside from the Scarabs and your Atlas tree. I actually thought the same as you, until I tried a few white t16s and realized that the drops are exactly the same.
@@GrimnirLaguz28 this is correct, i've been doing harbinger for like 4-5 leagues, even tried juicing with eater side altar for quan/rarity but still 3-4 fracturing shards everytime it drops
Been running this strat from start of league, it's super jackpot based BUT; is much better than most would think. I had in the span of ten maps once 3 fracturing shards drop nearly back to back, the lowest amount i ever got was from a non enhanced harby at 2.5 fracturing orbs and the most i ever got was 11 fracturing orbs from a enhanced boss one. This is a ton of divs when it happens and can happen more often than you think. It's also an amazing way to fill up on annuls as you will have 100's in no time at no cost. EDIT: Run this on defiled cathedral for extra jackpot chance on the apothecary, have had 2 drop so far.
omg what a cliffhanger, how will we ever know if the last belt he ancient orbed was a worms molt or an immortal flesh? Thanks so much for the Videos and the consistency over all dem years, I love them very much!
Just to throw another anecdote into the ocean: I don't at all think it's unreasonable to count the two "big" drops into the calc - I would say that's quite accurate on drops to what I have experienced with running Harbies. For a few leagues, my start strat has consisted around Harby and Essence + a bit of strongbox (very easy to grab these together w/ position on tree), which fits in the new scarab stuff very well too. It propels you into mid-end game very smoothly & has done so consistently for multiple leagues.
i think you should count only number of scarabs, it would be consitient on all strats, like expedition 50 maps - 250 scarabs harbinger 50 maps - 200 scarabs would clearly tell with one better
Not sure i understand, i use 4 scarabs every map in every strat, you can’t use 5 scarabs. The cost of the scarabs matter, why would i count the number of scarabs instead of how much they cost?
Harbis are so good, been farming since a week or so, got a shit ton of fracture orbs, and ancient orbs seem to be buffed, or I have crazy luck. So far I used arround 200, and I got a HH and a MB
Can confirm. I dropped a full mirror and 6 shards in 4 days of farming (224 maps). It might take longer to hit the mirror shard conversion BUT, if you do it long enough, it will happen, it's just a numbers game
I recommend farming harbinger in conjunction with farming beasts, as neither reward is based on map quantity. The shards dropped by harbinger and craicic chimeral or yellow beasts are independent of the quant of maps. Similarly, i recommend atoll maps, which are narrower and easier to navigate than strand maps. You only need to move to the right. Farming stratgy is just alch and go, kill harbinger, chimeral, and yellow beasts if necessary, then move on. Scarab only needs to be related to harbinger. The option for rarer beasts is in the atlas passive, not the scarab. The advantage of this farming is that you have a base profit from beasts and a lucky profit from harbinger, and you spin the map very quickly.
Beasts farming relies on speeding through maps as quick as possible to maximise the chances of spawning in frogs, which also ties in to double herd scarabs for 10 more red beasts per map and doubling scarabs to double the ones you do get. Harbies make maps far too slow to make reliable consistent cash from adding in beast farming (without running beast scarabs as well would make it close to pointless). I think you'd be better off adding some other strat that doesnt require you to speed through maps and that could benefit from the mob density that harbies bring, like beyond or idk.
I did this for a few days and I got a ton more profit the moment I dropped the Single drop scarab. You don't get the crazy explosions but you get consistent fracture shards
I did a literally alch and go strat, just to test it out, got 7 divines per hour with an MF char, so maybe 5-6 without. The strat was about farming scarabs exclusively. Given how cheap some scarabs are and how easy is to set them up (just buy in bulk 4), it's def not worth it. The new alch and go is using cheap scarabs imo, and if one is repeated even better. Scarabs are so powerful now.
This guy plays a completely different game than me... I am just the unluckiest person that plays this game. I run full 54% connected map atlas, full juice 8 mod maps with cart scarabs and I get an average of 1-2 map drop an entire map. Leveled 2 characters to 96, I have had a grand total of TWO raw divine drops. I feel like GGG checked the 'unlucky' box on my account management.
It's not "way better", you have 30% less harbies, but instead you get 100% more currency. Specially when fishing for mirror shards, you won't get it twice, so you better to have them duplicated.
You should definitely take Exarch/Eater not a Beyond. With good map (Dunes, Jungle Valley) you will get like 20% extra total money. Also got extremely lucky to drop 11x Fracture Orbs in 2 days of trying this strat, but in 8-mod Shaper Guardian maps. This is strange but got crazy harbinger drops from these maps.
I got 200 divs worth of items/currency in a strongbox map with the "accompanied by a harbinger" on a high density mob. Strongboxes all spawned a harbinger, had a hinekoras lock drop, duped 2 valdos one turned into a non void foil mageblood and 4 total divines in the one map. If there is any way to get that mod other than spamming maps until you get it, it'd probably be the best strat in the game
I hope at the end of this, you take all the strategies you enjoy and combine them to see how much you can make in 50 maps. That would be fun to see something like harby with other mechanics.
Does anyone know why the scarab that makes shards all drop as one type doesn't seem to work always? I get explosions of shards usually, but sometimes it still splits them/only drops a few of one type and many of others.
It took me about 140 maps before I got a fracture explosion, got 3.5 fracturing orbs so was like a 10 div explosion because fracturing orbs are only 3-3.5 divs right now. Next league when fracturing orbs are more valuable harbi strat is gonna be pretty good currency
My first Headhunter in PoE was aquired by selling Auspicious watchstones rolled with alterations. People were buying them for 16ex each because they believed it would increase the chance of getting Mirror shards. Most of them didn't know that GGG had to shadow nerf the chance early in the league and watchstone did seemingly nothing Interesting that years after people still get baited by the same "rarer currency shards" line
For anyone thinking of trying this in 3.25 it has been nerfed into the ground and the scarabs are a fortune for no discernable reason. 60c+ a map for nothing.
Yeah its a good strat, I was running it for a while. But I didnt add beyond because im not that smart. Its a good idea. The Ancient orbs + Annuls + Exalts really add up too, since bulk prices are generally good.
Damn, and I think you got unlucky too. I ran about 60 maps of the same Harbinger and scarab setup, the difference is I run Exarch and Harvest to make more consistent return in the case I get nothing. I got 2 fracturing shard pops (3 and 5 full orbs total, netting me around 15-20d) and 2 Einhar Harvest Beast. The returns from my atlas strat paid for half my Mageblood, the other half paid by getting Divine conversion necro map and popping Anarchy Allflame on it (netted me 33d total)
@@MrNanosTube Basically just all harvest, harbinger, exarch, and scarab wheels. Omit the scarab 100% more likely nodes in the middle, and take Harvest rotation keystone and take reduce chance for yellow juice. Use scarab the way Empy does it (all 4 harbinger scarab, 1 of each type) and use harbinger map craft. Run maps that give easy access to the boss (crimson temple, park, dunes. I use crimson temple), kill the boss, clear the map, then access harvest and make sure tha last crop or 2 that you choose is yellow crop. Harvest will at least give back the 6c that you pay for map+harbinger (500+ yellow juice, up to 3k if you're lucky), and the rest that comes from the map will be your profit.
ritual league harbingers in the fractured canyon prison seeing the future of necropolis league through their celestial orbs: look at what we have become...
ive done this strat since league start and quitting the league today, i've made probably around 1200 divines total doing this. but i was doing 100% chance deli/beyond/harby. no mirror drop, but ive gotten probably 35+ fracture orbs total.
Limiting factor is scarab for only 1 type of shard drops, i remember i was in 1 map, and i got fracturing shard drop 2 times, and it was regular map, no harbinger points on atlas, it was from league mechanic. Then i made tree for harbingers because i thought fracture shards drop often, and it will even more with points on passive. I got trolled and not a single fracture shard in 5 maps. Yes its not huge sample but still, drop rate should be better.
@@herme4 if you dont get relevant drops in 5 maps at least to cover the expenses from mechanic, its not worth farming, its complete waste of times. 5 maps, around 30 harbingers and not a single fracture shard stack? Go ahead then.
@@Dominik40301 That's like saying Ritual is worthless because it's possible to go 5 maps with 0 divs in the shrine, but I got 2 maps in a row with a stack of 10 divines that I grabbed. It works when it works and it doesn't when it doesn't. 5 maps isn't enough to tell if it's worthwhile or not. That's why Empy does 50.
@@himi6536 ive done Ritual most of the league and in 5 maps i always return investment, more than return, not to mention many fractured jewels and other items sold for 7 div or more, even bows with tier 1 good mod, often i got raw divines, 5 divine Brother card, stack of 5 divines etc. Omen of ameliation for 75% exp prevention is offered so often that itself pays for at least 3-4 maps -50c
ran this strat for a while, and its more of a "i make little profit of small currency (50 alt being 10c for example) until I dropthe big bomb for 10 or 20 divine"
I farmed habi for around 2 weeks when league start, and got 2 mirror explosion which in total is around 5.5 mirror And have never seen a single mirror shard since, still can’t get over that kind of dopamine boost 😂
@@Empyriangaming wow you read my comment :) but even t17 is more likely is a lucky drop...if every map at least 2 harbingers didnt drop chaos shards or better it's actually money loss until you hit something big
Excluding random drops doesnt make sense, unless there was a methodological error in how they were achieved. We cant exclude data just because theyre inconvenient. If anything, people just need to realize how sample sizes work, and that not every sample can be recreated 1 to 1.
I would agree if he were doing a more thorough statistical analysis and providing data on things like median and mode that naturally exclude outliers, but since he only used the mean, it does make sense to give the final results both with and without outliers included. It’s hard to do more than just the mean for this type of thing.
Ive hit fracturing orbs a ton of times in about 1000 maps, still waiting for them juicy mirror shards tho Forever farming harbies in the jungle of the valley e/ I actually hated this league so much, hate the mechanics so much, decided to just start farming harbies until I find mirrors like you said. Ive made about 600-700 divs running harby with explicit mods+deli+scarabs. Nothing crazy, but it saved the league for me. just braindead jungle valley and harby.
No alch and go is dead, scarabs are pretty low hanging fruit though theres many combinations that are very cheap and easy to buy in bulk you spend like 5 minutes buying your scarabs then you do your strategy for a week straight, trying to do just plain alch and go in this new scarab world is just bad unfortunately.
You could always try out Unwavering vision + Thorough Exploration + invasive adversaries + torment + beyond + shrines or Ritual + Destructive play, for hard content but potentially very profitable.
I ran harbinger exarch jungle valleys week 2 and i think using discernment scarabs isnt worth. Fracturing orbs arent expensive enough to offset the opportunity cost of losing 3 harbingers each map so until u find the mirror its just a wasted slot honestly, especially since you actually drop fracturing shards rly frequently from the big harbingers, for example in these 50 maps you would have gotten like 3 fracturing orbs if you didnt use it
I think chat was really hating on this more than it should have. Because doesn't ever comment section of all your videos say, "Lul dur, you counted XYZ as money but I hate trading, who wants to sit in hideout, and use the trade sites, and try to post in discord for bulk sales, that should be removed from your total because no 'normal' gamer is going to spend the time to sell 9000 essences." If that is the argument then harbinger, which requires no rolling of maps, and no complex pricing plugins, and no bulk selling on discord, is even more profitable because this is something that someone who only plays an hour or two a night could do? Maybe I'm wrong and misunderstand how much trading or not trading affects these things, but it just seems like everyone was kinda hating on this when in reality it is ultra brain dead, and would be pretty effective regardless of how much you want to engage with trade.
Not sure if anyone suggested this yes, but could you do 50 maps with an empty atlas alch and go just to set the bar for how much that makes? Keep up the based content! 💜
I would say the harbi isn't worth considering probably half the drops came from just the maps, the shards from harbis on average drop as such low tiers its not worth running
Another great video. I don;t play POE for years but I watched like every video of yours. Always on point with explainations and energy which you have in video is just great
Nice strat bro, i just added Beyond to the Harbi strat but the keystone that do not let spawn bosses is really bad, you just want to kill the Harvis and go next so let the beyond demos to spawn their bosses to actually profti from them i got 10 tainted fusing in less then 30 maps killing Beyond bosses
@@franciscoamaral103 No you are wrong, if you want the mirror you put a map kill the harvis and go next by adding beyond with the Keystone you are spawning mobs that slows down your map farming
i did literally and exactly 1,000 harbi/deli/beyond maps in 200%+ qty 8mod maps. (yes i know, you fucking wiki nerds, qty doesnt effect the actual harbingers shard drop. i ran qty for beyond/deli drops) fracs we're almost exactly 1/100 maps. exalts were1/15 maps. counting everything in 4-5min maps i averaged 9.8div/hr. 5min maps, 1,000 maps completed. shit took me 80 hours, but i made 1.6 mirrors. if you can run these maps, consistently faster than 4min, for more than 100 maps... thats pretty wild. i had a migraine the entire week i ran this because of the flashing blue light, gl.
I think you have made a mistake. I don't think there is a point on using the Duplication and the Discernment scarabs togheter. Sure you increase your jackpot, but you would get a better chance at something good if you got 3 more harbingers per map than the duplication one. Discernment makes your duplication scarab 99% useless because you're most of the time duplicating garbage until you get your pay off that is most likely not mirror shards. I myself dislike discernment because there is no guarantee the shard that will be chosen is the rarest one. Tbh I like to just run 3 rusted and the Regency Scarab and pair it with delirium to make use of the massive amount of mobs.
that just shows that as long as you are mapping you will generate a decent amount of profit, which is really good. also harbingers have a lot of rare mobs and they will drop good items. last league i dropped a t1 fractured dot multi amulet from harbinger which sold for a decent amount.
@@jaronmau7401 getting mb/hh/mirror as a solo is better than most of the feeling you can get in this game probablybeyond the amount of currency they represent
sir i had a dream about you, i was playing heist and helical ring dropped, i put it in my stash and when i came back it was gone and it was you who stole it from me and i were chasing you and you eventually gave me my ring back
It still fucks with me when I see a winged scarab icon and hit the price check to see 1c. Maybe it’s cuz the softcore economy is fucked right now, but it feels pretty bad.
@@franciscoamaral103 my man, there are wings. on the scarab. I understand it doesn't say Winged Scarab anymore, but that's the winged scarab's icon in the inventory my guy.
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As always, didn't account for Necropolis specific stuff like corpses and Allflames, so these videos stay relevant for longer than a league. If you wanna go extra cheap, skip the 6c map device harbies. If your character is extra bad, add shrines / Niko for character power. Short term decent money, long term BIG payoff possibility. Very versatile, only needs 29 points on the tree, you can combine it with a bunch of stuff if you want to spend more time in the maps. Cool strat.
Thanks for watching!
There is multiple downsides to do the lottery atm. From my mediocre sample size (tested on 1000 harbingers with single shard type and then 10000 shard drops without lottery scarab, showing all shards of course), rarity of shards increased very slightly, but the time it would take you to see a single fracture proc is increased from avg 5 maps to ~70. Even worse that without lottery scarab you would just run another 3 harbingers, which makes average outcome per map even better, and then there is a bug or inefficient order of operations about harbinger nodes: 100% chance to drop an additional stack of currency from the tree nodes a) does not apply to big harbingers at all, and b) does not get converted into a single currency type via scarab. That means when you fishing for dophamine, not only you see nothing on your screen and sometimes you see shit ton of clicking for ancient/annulment at once (which is also less healthy that picking up 0-5 shards per harby imo), but there is also a way to fuck up your payoff: you have 25% chance that fracturing shards would roll on a small harbinger (because 75% of your harbingers are big) and thats already like 2 orbs instead of 5+, but then it could also roll on that extra shard stack (which actually happened in my tests), absolutely destroying your motivation to keep going after seeing two fracturing shard stacks (they do double by other scarab still) in 70 maps (or more if you got unlucky on that as well). I did get a proper big harbinger drop too, but it didn't feel as good as it would if I just ran them normally and get consistent drops. Also assumed values per map were in favor of doing non-lottery as well, but it might be low enough data size. However if it is not noticeable at 1k harbingers and you still go down in terms of outcomes (compared to regular setup), then maybe its not worth doing, at least for me:)
As a side note, chance to get a full orb seems to be around 6%, transmutes mixed the data up to 7% but i suspect they just dropped 20 stacks from big harbies sometimes.
These videos are a really cool resource, but if someone looks up "harbringer farming" it wont show up with this title or hashtags lol (ideally people find your channel regardless, great content)
@@praetorianmk-ii4522 yeah imma need a tldr on that essay
I met 3 Harbs who dropped fractured in 2 maps, so its 50 div just in couple minutes sometimes.
@@tenkid840901 tldr is do +3 harbi instead of lottery scarab unless you're fishing for a mirror, as it is not worth it in range of hundreds of maps, only thousands.
that last ancient orb was a mageblood btw.
Was it? 🧐
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@@okenan day 1000*
It was but he double clicked and had another ancient orb in his stash so he rolled over it. Kappa
The ultimate tease. Did he get the mageblood?
Wonder how good this would be if Divine Shards would exists.
Either empy would lose more or gain more, because scarabs would cost way more than 1c ish per each type of scarab.
Gamba good
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Not much better unfortunately considering he only got a single exalt shard pop in 50 maps. You'd assume div shard to be as rare if not more rare.
@@TankSenior i'd actually assume exalt shard would be changed to divine shard. im surprised that didn't happen when they did the exalt/div swap
ive been doing a bunch of harpies this league. and i reckon ive dropped fracturing shards once around 100-150 maps. and with thoose scarabs thats usually around 4-8 fracturing orbs depending on luck. its def good and will be a decent sleeper strat for next league.
I ran harbs without discernment for about 80 maps and ended up with 6.5 fracturing orbs. I think banking on the jackpots from discernment probably results in less currency overall unless you get super lucky and get a mirror explosion.
A good tip for running harbiinger is to roll for action speed for monsters it makes harbingers spawn faster.
I have around 300 maps done with this strat and i got 1 fracture explosion :( but i still love it :D
thanks didn't think of that
is there a POB that gives monsters your action speed? XD
I was oddly lucky, I ran 100 strands and got 18 fracturing orbs
@@kamex4k im @ 350 dunes and my 3 fracture hits have been on lantern or un-upgraded harbs and given me 2-4 shards :(
One nice thing is that you can run those maps white, if your build is not that strong, as it does not affect the loot from Harbies. Additionally, you don't need to be super-speedy, as you have to wait for the Harbies to spit out their bois.
It is a massive gamble, as fracturing orbs are stupid rare and not worth that much. Plus, even with the Fracturing orbs, you are not making that much profit (just talking about the harbie drops), you are really mostly just waiting it out for 50/100/500, maybe thousands of maps until you get that mirror drop from them.
Also, the Fracturing drops with this setup are usually at 4-7 orbs per big Harbie, not just 3, so the Fracturing orb drops are worth some 16-28D when they happen.
My understanding is that map quant and rarity affect drops, but player quant rarity doesn't
@@AquaticSkipperPlayers quant is important too - u can check video from mf academy - they tested this
I average 5 fracturing orbs per drop, and have made tons of divs from annuls. Ancient orbs were valuable once, but was using a few hundred last night and hit a HH, fuckin 6 divs. What a league.
@@AquaticSkipper No, nothing affects the drops from Harbies, aside from the Scarabs and your Atlas tree. I actually thought the same as you, until I tried a few white t16s and realized that the drops are exactly the same.
@@GrimnirLaguz28 this is correct, i've been doing harbinger for like 4-5 leagues, even tried juicing with eater side altar for quan/rarity but still 3-4 fracturing shards everytime it drops
Been running this strat from start of league, it's super jackpot based BUT; is much better than most would think. I had in the span of ten maps once 3 fracturing shards drop nearly back to back, the lowest amount i ever got was from a non enhanced harby at 2.5 fracturing orbs and the most i ever got was 11 fracturing orbs from a enhanced boss one. This is a ton of divs when it happens and can happen more often than you think. It's also an amazing way to fill up on annuls as you will have 100's in no time at no cost.
EDIT: Run this on defiled cathedral for extra jackpot chance on the apothecary, have had 2 drop so far.
any tips? certain belts to start with? locations to do it at? lol i need all the karma! im like 3k deep and nothing!
I'm doing this with Defiled Cathedral, the tighter hallway layouts work better for spawning the beyond monsters.
Shit strat
omg what a cliffhanger, how will we ever know if the last belt he ancient orbed was a worms molt or an immortal flesh?
Thanks so much for the Videos and the consistency over all dem years, I love them very much!
Just to throw another anecdote into the ocean: I don't at all think it's unreasonable to count the two "big" drops into the calc - I would say that's quite accurate on drops to what I have experienced with running Harbies. For a few leagues, my start strat has consisted around Harby and Essence + a bit of strongbox (very easy to grab these together w/ position on tree), which fits in the new scarab stuff very well too. It propels you into mid-end game very smoothly & has done so consistently for multiple leagues.
i think you should count only number of scarabs, it would be consitient on all strats, like expedition 50 maps - 250 scarabs harbinger 50 maps - 200 scarabs would clearly tell with one better
Not sure i understand, i use 4 scarabs every map in every strat, you can’t use 5 scarabs. The cost of the scarabs matter, why would i count the number of scarabs instead of how much they cost?
@@Empyriangaming They meant the amount of scarabs dropped
@@Empyriangaming I think they mean number of scarabs dropped from the maps in total, which would normalise any outliers like the curations etc
@@deciever99 I see. Well that’s a little late for that :D
I have ran mostly Harbinger this league and, we had a private league going. Having easy access to Annulment Orbs was super useful.
Harbis are so good, been farming since a week or so, got a shit ton of fracture orbs, and ancient orbs seem to be buffed, or I have crazy luck. So far I used arround 200, and I got a HH and a MB
Can confirm. I dropped a full mirror and 6 shards in 4 days of farming (224 maps). It might take longer to hit the mirror shard conversion BUT, if you do it long enough, it will happen, it's just a numbers game
can't confirm.
1,000 maps completed, no mirror/shards.
No need to be consistent when you can just be lucky.
90% of poe players give up before they hit big
I hit 28 mirror shards in 50 maps, I've been farming Harbis for about over 40 maps more but not fracturing explosion yet
Blue man group is good!
The last Ancient Orb is the same result of Inception's end shot
I recommend farming harbinger in conjunction with farming beasts, as neither reward is based on map quantity.
The shards dropped by harbinger and craicic chimeral or yellow beasts are independent of the quant of maps.
Similarly, i recommend atoll maps, which are narrower and easier to navigate than strand maps.
You only need to move to the right. Farming stratgy is just alch and go, kill harbinger, chimeral, and yellow beasts if necessary, then move on.
Scarab only needs to be related to harbinger. The option for rarer beasts is in the atlas passive, not the scarab.
The advantage of this farming is that you have a base profit from beasts and a lucky profit from harbinger, and you spin the map very quickly.
Shit strat
Beasts farming relies on speeding through maps as quick as possible to maximise the chances of spawning in frogs, which also ties in to double herd scarabs for 10 more red beasts per map and doubling scarabs to double the ones you do get.
Harbies make maps far too slow to make reliable consistent cash from adding in beast farming (without running beast scarabs as well would make it close to pointless). I think you'd be better off adding some other strat that doesnt require you to speed through maps and that could benefit from the mob density that harbies bring, like beyond or idk.
I did this for a few days and I got a ton more profit the moment I dropped the Single drop scarab. You don't get the crazy explosions but you get consistent fracture shards
ya but imagine you drop a mirror shard and then the regret comes in like oof if used that scarab i could have been a mirror
@@xdgamer100 if that happened you just know the game would have picked transmutes for you instead
Have you done alch and go for this "is it based/cringe" series? a baseline div/hour and div/map to compare these strats against would be good to know
I did a literally alch and go strat, just to test it out, got 7 divines per hour with an MF char, so maybe 5-6 without. The strat was about farming scarabs exclusively. Given how cheap some scarabs are and how easy is to set them up (just buy in bulk 4), it's def not worth it.
The new alch and go is using cheap scarabs imo, and if one is repeated even better. Scarabs are so powerful now.
Can't wait for showcase for actual fishing strat with fishing rod and hook chance amulet
Did ten of these maps last week and got 4 full fracture orbs and six shards from one harbi
If necropolis fracture crafts didn't exist, fracturing orbs would be huge
Tip : when there is lots of loot, disable loot visibility then clic the base of the beam
Tip: spam z and scrollwheel-> left click rebound moving your mouse up and down, it’s twice as fast as the method you suggested.
@@Empyriangaming ok then... You get a divine
I am doing this for some time with deli and beyond, haven't found a single fracturing shard or mirror shard. I had fun tho.
The fun aspect is important
@@Empyriangaming big true :D
This guy plays a completely different game than me... I am just the unluckiest person that plays this game. I run full 54% connected map atlas, full juice 8 mod maps with cart scarabs and I get an average of 1-2 map drop an entire map. Leveled 2 characters to 96, I have had a grand total of TWO raw divine drops. I feel like GGG checked the 'unlucky' box on my account management.
I get that most value is Mirrors and Fractures. But you can gain rather steady profit from Ancients, Annuls, Harbies and Exalts. Its unexciting buuut.
Would the results be consistent without the scarab for "only drop 1 type of currency"?
That scarab also makes rarer shards more common, so on average it's higher returns when using it.
Its way better to run two normal ones btw. With that i can almost guarantee a frac drop every 35~ maps
Which one do you replace for the normal one?
@@LaggySkills the last one like empy said. Doubling fragments is okay but having 3 extra slot machine rolls is much better down the line.
Doesn't the one scarab that make all shards dropped the same type limit the drop pool even more? I was thinking of dropping that one out for +3 harb
@@lckrgl that one is the backbone of every harbinger strat though. it also gives rarer currency types so i dont think so.
It's not "way better", you have 30% less harbies, but instead you get 100% more currency. Specially when fishing for mirror shards, you won't get it twice, so you better to have them duplicated.
Would be interesting to try this same strat without all shards dropping as the same. :) Great video as always!
You should definitely take Exarch/Eater not a Beyond. With good map (Dunes, Jungle Valley) you will get like 20% extra total money. Also got extremely lucky to drop 11x Fracture Orbs in 2 days of trying this strat, but in 8-mod Shaper Guardian maps. This is strange but got crazy harbinger drops from these maps.
I got 200 divs worth of items/currency in a strongbox map with the "accompanied by a harbinger" on a high density mob. Strongboxes all spawned a harbinger, had a hinekoras lock drop, duped 2 valdos one turned into a non void foil mageblood and 4 total divines in the one map. If there is any way to get that mod other than spamming maps until you get it, it'd probably be the best strat in the game
Bro I ran harbinger yesterday and I also got a curation scarab a valdos and three fracture orbs in about 30 maps
It is so funny. I run the same strat and I got the same Einhar's Memory from Harbi. They are goated for sure.
I hope at the end of this, you take all the strategies you enjoy and combine them to see how much you can make in 50 maps. That would be fun to see something like harby with other mechanics.
If we had 8 scarab slots maybe
Pretty sure quant and rarity from maps count for harbis
They don’t just read and shit
Does anyone know why the scarab that makes shards all drop as one type doesn't seem to work always?
I get explosions of shards usually, but sometimes it still splits them/only drops a few of one type and many of others.
I was wondering about this. Maybe the “chance to drop an extra stack of currency shards” on the tree is independent from the conversion?
@ethanlarge3572 hmm maybe so, definitely some fishy stuff going on. It's happened both times on my fracturing drops so it's painful whatever it is
perhaps because the harby wasn't a harby boss, that affects the amount of dropped shards a lot
might do this type of thing on standard - i love harbinger, always have. only league i've 40/40d too
2:05 I felt that
It took me about 140 maps before I got a fracture explosion, got 3.5 fracturing orbs so was like a 10 div explosion because fracturing orbs are only 3-3.5 divs right now. Next league when fracturing orbs are more valuable harbi strat is gonna be pretty good currency
My first Headhunter in PoE was aquired by selling Auspicious watchstones rolled with alterations. People were buying them for 16ex each because they believed it would increase the chance of getting Mirror shards. Most of them didn't know that GGG had to shadow nerf the chance early in the league and watchstone did seemingly nothing
Interesting that years after people still get baited by the same "rarer currency shards" line
12 div for so little point that can be put in smth else, so basically having extra 12 div an hour ~ as an additional profit is good on league start.
For anyone thinking of trying this in 3.25 it has been nerfed into the ground and the scarabs are a fortune for no discernable reason. 60c+ a map for nothing.
btw it was found that singular focus makes you drop less t17s so maybe that's why you felt like you got more this time?
I never used singular focus in these strats
@@Empyriangaming oh damn well it was just a guess since i saw that on reddit earlier. harby might drop more maps then.
If you wanna loot the shards faster, press Z and spam scroll wheel on the ground and its all gone within notime without trying to aim around
Spam scroll wheel zooms in and out :)
Incorrect, that way is slower. I showed it on stream but forgot to clip it so didnt make it in the video.
@@Nightcodexyou can unbind that. I did a long time ago.
Didn't expect Empy to have a collab with the Blue Man Group.
Yeah its a good strat, I was running it for a while. But I didnt add beyond because im not that smart. Its a good idea.
The Ancient orbs + Annuls + Exalts really add up too, since bulk prices are generally good.
FYI map and player quant does not affect harbinger drops, so you can do with your tree and maps whatever you want
I mention this in the video.
What filter did u use ? From your listed item filters on profile
Damn, and I think you got unlucky too. I ran about 60 maps of the same Harbinger and scarab setup, the difference is I run Exarch and Harvest to make more consistent return in the case I get nothing. I got 2 fracturing shard pops (3 and 5 full orbs total, netting me around 15-20d) and 2 Einhar Harvest Beast. The returns from my atlas strat paid for half my Mageblood, the other half paid by getting Divine conversion necro map and popping Anarchy Allflame on it (netted me 33d total)
Can you share you tree?
@@MrNanosTube Basically just all harvest, harbinger, exarch, and scarab wheels. Omit the scarab 100% more likely nodes in the middle, and take Harvest rotation keystone and take reduce chance for yellow juice.
Use scarab the way Empy does it (all 4 harbinger scarab, 1 of each type) and use harbinger map craft. Run maps that give easy access to the boss (crimson temple, park, dunes. I use crimson temple), kill the boss, clear the map, then access harvest and make sure tha last crop or 2 that you choose is yellow crop. Harvest will at least give back the 6c that you pay for map+harbinger (500+ yellow juice, up to 3k if you're lucky), and the rest that comes from the map will be your profit.
ritual league harbingers in the fractured canyon prison seeing the future of necropolis league through their celestial orbs: look at what we have become...
I'm on 604 harbi maps so far and I've gotten 4 fracture pops, and strongest monster converts jewelry to divine (52 div map)! its been fun so far
ive done this strat since league start and quitting the league today, i've made probably around 1200 divines total doing this. but i was doing 100% chance deli/beyond/harby.
no mirror drop, but ive gotten probably 35+ fracture orbs total.
Limiting factor is scarab for only 1 type of shard drops, i remember i was in 1 map, and i got fracturing shard drop 2 times, and it was regular map, no harbinger points on atlas, it was from league mechanic. Then i made tree for harbingers because i thought fracture shards drop often, and it will even more with points on passive. I got trolled and not a single fracture shard in 5 maps. Yes its not huge sample but still, drop rate should be better.
@@Dominik40301 No it shouldn't to be honest, 5 maps is a ridiculous number, it's basically nothing. You can't expect to get relevant drops.
@@herme4 if you dont get relevant drops in 5 maps at least to cover the expenses from mechanic, its not worth farming, its complete waste of times. 5 maps, around 30 harbingers and not a single fracture shard stack? Go ahead then.
@@Dominik40301 That's like saying Ritual is worthless because it's possible to go 5 maps with 0 divs in the shrine, but I got 2 maps in a row with a stack of 10 divines that I grabbed. It works when it works and it doesn't when it doesn't. 5 maps isn't enough to tell if it's worthwhile or not. That's why Empy does 50.
@@himi6536 ive done Ritual most of the league and in 5 maps i always return investment, more than return, not to mention many fractured jewels and other items sold for 7 div or more, even bows with tier 1 good mod, often i got raw divines, 5 divine Brother card, stack of 5 divines etc. Omen of ameliation for 75% exp prevention is offered so often that itself pays for at least 3-4 maps -50c
ran this strat for a while, and its more of a "i make little profit of small currency (50 alt being 10c for example) until I dropthe big bomb for 10 or 20 divine"
So just do bstrayal or ritual lol
@@matthewalvarez6884 I am doing ritual together with Harbinger
Does map tier affect harbinger rewards?
does map quant/rarity affect frac/mirror drop chance?
No, quant/rarity doesn't affect harbringers (but it will juice the other random drops you get).
Bro really gonna do us dirty on that last ancient orb
It was bad.
I farmed habi for around 2 weeks when league start, and got 2 mirror explosion which in total is around 5.5 mirror
And have never seen a single mirror shard since, still can’t get over that kind of dopamine boost 😂
How many maps? I did 600 no mirror. I'm estimating you'd need 6000 maps to get a mirror shard explosion based on previous harb strats lol
Actual strat profit - 13 ex, 76 annul, 67 ancient.
And chaos and harbinger orbs and whatever else they dropped (like a few t17 maps)
@@Empyriangaming wow you read my comment :) but even t17 is more likely is a lucky drop...if every map at least 2 harbingers didnt drop chaos shards or better it's actually money loss until you hit something big
Excluding random drops doesnt make sense, unless there was a methodological error in how they were achieved.
We cant exclude data just because theyre inconvenient. If anything, people just need to realize how sample sizes work, and that not every sample can be recreated 1 to 1.
Agreed, that’s why i just included it as a second calculation
I would agree if he were doing a more thorough statistical analysis and providing data on things like median and mode that naturally exclude outliers, but since he only used the mean, it does make sense to give the final results both with and without outliers included. It’s hard to do more than just the mean for this type of thing.
Harby is really fun with headhunter, all the buffs
of course i start doing this strat a week ago and empy does a video on it. time for the scarabs to skyrocket
Can you make a spreadsheet with the info and link it? It would be so much better!
I'm a content creator, not a spreadsheet maker sorry :D
I got a 4 fracturing orbs in one map in SSF, so always based for SSF.
5 mirrors per week on start, 5d per hour after month, nice content
Ive hit fracturing orbs a ton of times in about 1000 maps, still waiting for them juicy mirror shards tho
Forever farming harbies in the jungle of the valley
e/ I actually hated this league so much, hate the mechanics so much, decided to just start farming harbies until I find mirrors like you said. Ive made about 600-700 divs running harby with explicit mods+deli+scarabs. Nothing crazy, but it saved the league for me. just braindead jungle valley and harby.
Is there a good alc and go strat this league? Maybe even worth ssf
No alch and go is dead, scarabs are pretty low hanging fruit though theres many combinations that are very cheap and easy to buy in bulk you spend like 5 minutes buying your scarabs then you do your strategy for a week straight, trying to do just plain alch and go in this new scarab world is just bad unfortunately.
Harvest with a keystone
Heist contracts farming
You should look up thyworms videos, he has a video on this strat in ssf
You could always try out Unwavering vision + Thorough Exploration + invasive adversaries + torment + beyond + shrines or Ritual + Destructive play, for hard content but potentially very profitable.
Cheers guys will check it out.!:)
If I have 126 points, what should I take out from the tree?
Some random scarab chance
so... It´s good or bad idea to get rich with harbinger ?
Hello, love the series also storytelling as always spot on
Why did he switch from Exilence?
He is just trying this out, scans more stuff than exilence, but interfaace is scuffed
Harbingers is a bigger gamble strat than ritual. There I said it.
Must be nice playing a build like this. Grats!
I got 2 fracturing shards explosions in about ~120 maps
I ran harbinger exarch jungle valleys week 2 and i think using discernment scarabs isnt worth. Fracturing orbs arent expensive enough to offset the opportunity cost of losing 3 harbingers each map so until u find the mirror its just a wasted slot honestly, especially since you actually drop fracturing shards rly frequently from the big harbingers, for example in these 50 maps you would have gotten like 3 fracturing orbs if you didnt use it
But it would also add another minute or so per map, because of those +3 harbies. Still facts nonetheless
I think chat was really hating on this more than it should have. Because doesn't ever comment section of all your videos say, "Lul dur, you counted XYZ as money but I hate trading, who wants to sit in hideout, and use the trade sites, and try to post in discord for bulk sales, that should be removed from your total because no 'normal' gamer is going to spend the time to sell 9000 essences."
If that is the argument then harbinger, which requires no rolling of maps, and no complex pricing plugins, and no bulk selling on discord, is even more profitable because this is something that someone who only plays an hour or two a night could do?
Maybe I'm wrong and misunderstand how much trading or not trading affects these things, but it just seems like everyone was kinda hating on this when in reality it is ultra brain dead, and would be pretty effective regardless of how much you want to engage with trade.
I'm so used to having a calculator on my screen from other games I was wondering why I had one up in front of Empy
For some reason for me harby is the least fun to farm and kill on maps... just don't like the waiting for shit to spawn in the portals
If u stand in the portals the spawn faster
Not sure if anyone suggested this yes, but could you do 50 maps with an empty atlas alch and go just to set the bar for how much that makes?
Keep up the based content! 💜
im pretty sure harbys are affected by map quant so running 8 mod helps alot
They arent
hello, right next to "21 refund points" has "blight", whats that?
The name of the Atlas Passive Tree. Multiple Atlas Passive Trees, and the ability to rename them, is new this league.
@@circuitousprime is it free or mtx?
@@ruhzku Free, extra trees are unlocked at 50 and 100 atlas bonus
I would say the harbi isn't worth considering probably half the drops came from just the maps, the shards from harbis on average drop as such low tiers its not worth running
I find I get more fracture shards over 50 maps if I don't use the single currency gamble
So can I run the maps white ?
ya but alcing them is good because more quant rarerity drops other things and t17s
Another great video. I don;t play POE for years but I watched like every video of yours. Always on point with explainations and energy which you have in video is just great
That scarab that convert all in the rarest made me a lot of transmute shards. How? Is there a worse one? Id scroll?
Engineering Orb
Still waiting for Empy to do a Harvest Based or Cringe. :D
he’s doing it on stream right now
Nice strat bro, i just added Beyond to the Harbi strat but the keystone that do not let spawn bosses is really bad, you just want to kill the Harvis and go next so let the beyond demos to spawn their bosses to actually profti from them i got 10 tainted fusing in less then 30 maps killing Beyond bosses
u want beyond to have more harbis in the map not bc of the bosses u are trolling for picking the keystone
@@franciscoamaral103 No you are wrong, if you want the mirror you put a map kill the harvis and go next by adding beyond with the Keystone you are spawning mobs that slows down your map farming
i did literally and exactly 1,000 harbi/deli/beyond maps in 200%+ qty 8mod maps. (yes i know, you fucking wiki nerds, qty doesnt effect the actual harbingers shard drop. i ran qty for beyond/deli drops)
fracs we're almost exactly 1/100 maps.
exalts were1/15 maps.
counting everything in 4-5min maps i averaged 9.8div/hr. 5min maps, 1,000 maps completed. shit took me 80 hours, but i made 1.6 mirrors.
if you can run these maps, consistently faster than 4min, for more than 100 maps... thats pretty wild.
i had a migraine the entire week i ran this because of the flashing blue light, gl.
I think you have made a mistake. I don't think there is a point on using the Duplication and the Discernment scarabs togheter. Sure you increase your jackpot, but you would get a better chance at something good if you got 3 more harbingers per map than the duplication one.
Discernment makes your duplication scarab 99% useless because you're most of the time duplicating garbage until you get your pay off that is most likely not mirror shards.
I myself dislike discernment because there is no guarantee the shard that will be chosen is the rarest one. Tbh I like to just run 3 rusted and the Regency Scarab and pair it with delirium to make use of the massive amount of mobs.
I disagree. I’d rather win big when the good drops happen than have 3 more harbies per map.
20 divine worth of random RNG drops that had nothing to do with Harbinger :(
that just shows that as long as you are mapping you will generate a decent amount of profit, which is really good. also harbingers have a lot of rare mobs and they will drop good items. last league i dropped a t1 fractured dot multi amulet from harbinger which sold for a decent amount.
I am the Guy that dont Hit the Mirror haha but its fun
you probably farmed more than mirror without dropping shards lol
@@Girodii 1500 Maps ;) but i got Mageblood so its fine :)
@@jaronmau7401 getting mb/hh/mirror as a solo is better than most of the feeling you can get in this game probablybeyond the amount of currency they represent
i actually liked harbingers before but now they feel mad cringe cuz if they do drop something you pick up they drop 20 of them and its aids
sir i had a dream about you, i was playing heist and helical ring dropped, i put it in my stash and when i came back it was gone and it was you who stole it from me and i were chasing you and you eventually gave me my ring back
Did you guys know that Ex and Div have almost the same rarity, so this 5:53 could've been the same number of Div shards. Just so you know ;)
div shards don't exist sadly
I don't care if this is profitable, ain't nobody got time to pick up all those shards
It still fucks with me when I see a winged scarab icon and hit the price check to see 1c. Maybe it’s cuz the softcore economy is fucked right now, but it feels pretty bad.
thats bc its not winged , its ur fault i u are giving it a rarety that doenst exist anymore LOL
@@franciscoamaral103 my man, there are wings. on the scarab. I understand it doesn't say Winged Scarab anymore, but that's the winged scarab's icon in the inventory my guy.
5:17 MOOOOOOOOOOOOO
I hit 4,2 fracturing orbs in 4 maps^^
Noooo the harbingers scarabs its going to raise up now :(
cant wait to see what you do with abyss the scarabs are quite fun but i havent found the best combo yet
Not planning to do abyss. Not a fan of
i feel like trans and aug shards should be removed. Would help the average and make it feel better by not getting a zero loot shown harby