Just a thought: This might be because the cities you ship to have break points. IE It's not multiplicative to what you put in. if it has 0/100 with a multiplier of 120% and another has 50/100 for 50%, it could be that large shipments push it past that break point of 50/100 lowering the % gained from the shipment. To put into simple numbers; Break point 1: 0/100 port with 120% value for the first 50 ore. Break point 2: 50/100 port with 50% value for the next 25 ore. Break point 3: 75/100 port with 10% value for the next 25 ore. This means you're actually getting +110 value on the first break point, + 37.5 value for the second and 27.5 for the last. This means the difference between putting in 50 vs 100 ore is 45 for double the input. These ofc arent the actual values, it seems way more aggressive.
I've been sending like half my crops with some dust with every single shipment I do and I've gotten 4 divs so far from ships. Only level 93, playing pretty casual with a long way still to go on my town.
I'm having flashbacks to when I tried to scale attack speed on an old build and I found a video describing how the break points work for it. Until you hit the breakpoint (multiplier in this case for the shipment) it doesn't actually change how fast you attack. And as you attack faster and faster that break point gets harder to hit, to have any actual effect on your build. The breakpoint (multiplier for the shipment) is just very early and very steep in this case.
@@evoknz diminishing returns is typically a nice curve. Breakpoints are plateau's. the graph looks different, if that makes sense? I don't know how else to explain it.
@@StormCloudGenerator Maybe, i don't imagine a curve, I just imagine investing more and having less returns the more i invest, with no proportions attached to it
So we see that adding multiple crops increases stack size/quantity of items received. How much do you wanna be the Shipment value is a rarity multiplier. Also really wanna know wtf GGG was smoking that they got 3 pages of loot with 2 whole rows of alterations. We got baited hard
Neon stated in the interview with ziggy that they already by that time changed the quantity and wanted to make less loot but more valueable - but yeah i would have enjoyed boat loads oft bubblegum as well sadge
Either that or there actually is a secret threshold after which you suddenly get pages full of loot. Would be surprised about the latter, but also don't like the former bc it implies GGG actively lied about this.
anyone who played PoE for some time (league or two and more) knew that was a bait with the shipment... expected from a studio that can make custom items (white daggers with thousands of damage) on the fly - so why not l00t too?
It was already proven that the dust has diminishing returns. Logically, it would make sense for everything else to have the same diminishing returns. Going from 1 to 55 is the same difference as 55 to 550. Therefore not even counting dust, 55 corn, 55 wheat and 55 pumpkin is worth as much as 8,000 of one crop. As far as what your shipment should be for currency farming...put in the amount needed for each bonus for that port. Then put in the amount of dust that you can maintain. Then go through and change all crops to the same amount (whatever amount keeps your failure chance low). Repeat this with every port that you can. Also much better to send to the closest ports if you plan on being on, and the distant ports before you log off, as the distance has diminishing returns as well.
Another thing to think about is why they would give us 3 ships if the best way to get loot is sending everything on one ship, that would make having two more ships useless
I also saw ZiggyD cheat sheet about the league mechanic. Apparently crops always return currency no matter the destination they go to, on the other hand, ore or bars will bring back items, fragments tatoos depending to what port they’re sailing
While the point is true, I think it is also important to note it is not worth stockpiling all the crops just to be efficient. The most worth is probably going to send whatever amount you can comfortably sustain, without going all in on the sendings. You get no value from having 100k crops in your town, but nice findings
If "Total Value" holds jack shit worth relative to the actual types of resources you ship, GGG giving us an accounting league where the numbers are an absolute lie is peak.
If sending multiple shipments is the optimal way, then does that mean that getting tier 10 sailors are not worth it? Since they are made for big risk shipments and their wage is higher
Do the affliction spectres bought in ritual work like in affliction, where if they die, ghey are gone, or can uou have them in your desecrate pool to respawn when dead, like regular mobs?
my theory would be that you actually getting those 300x loot but with GGG upscaling values, like not how you would trade 150c to 1div but with vendor exchange values, so it could be that upscaling REALLY JUST SUCK, like if you getting 1 div per 600c rolled or something like that, and small shipments work just because there is less upscaling and more rolling the dice.
has anyone noticed a correlation with shipment value and the rate at which pirates hold capture the crew? feels like cheap shipments attract pirates a lot less often, but when i send a massive shipment it almost always gets captured. Maybe a separate gold farming strat. Or maybe just me
@steelmage I been sending 1k of each type of food type, except for last one since it producing much slower then other and that been 250 ( note my town not like steel mages town in ranks) I just got last food type few days ago. yesterday I got 3rd div orb in shipment 72k size... now i don't like 10 shipments before i got div but they where small one's and each one was 2 1/2 hour shipment time, mostly trying to get some tat's for my gear. I could do short range timer shipments, but i heard long range ones reward better over short. forgot add in i use 9k dust
Saw some other UA-camr claiming that you get the best shipping results from sending only the items they want, and not over the amount asked for, that will give more rewards, and have a lower risk, sending any items they don't want will increase the risk alot, not sure if that is something you guys have tested, but that seems to work for me (at a much lower level of the mechanic than this)
What you can do is have one ship with your starting line, rank 8-10 sailors and those are the guys you send your big haul for satisfying port quotas. You can still also partially meet port quotas on your 3000-600k shipments so always worth.
didnt he sent 1200 with the first ship and in the second run he shipped 5x1200 ... obv its more loot T_T doesnt matter its different crops,its literally MORE. to test if different crops matter he had to sent 6k first and the second run 6k but split 5x 1200 and then see if there is a difference or am i missing something? maybe editing was bad and he sent 6k first but took the wrong clip? idk
@@josefplacek4200 Why is it worse if the total of value mattes? 1. 1 crop 5000 for quota for example gives 300k value 2. each crop for 1000 also 300k Its the same. But doing "quota" is more efficient. The end value matters So just do the quota and little shipments with 300-500k value
@@zomgree because there are hidden diminishing returns. Shipment value doesnt matter for rewards, its just for the risk mechanic. Also U shouldnt finish the quota with 1 shipment, there is no point unless you Really want the 1 unique.
@@zomgree u can try it for yourself. Sending 1000 of 5 different crops and another ship with 5000 of 1 crop. The first ship will have insanely better rewards
Shipment value could work in a different way though, not as quant but as rarity even for currency making it more likely to get higher tier currency like divines etc. Also the 1250 per crop and 300k value to aim for seem kind of randomly chosen by steel so I'd take that with a grain of salt
Exactly, this whole thing reeks of broscience based off of 2 examples and a massive amount of asspull assumptions to go with it. Can't wrap my head around how he somewhat correctly assumes that the amount of stuff you send doesn't directly translate into the amount of stuff you get in return, but STILL thinks that it's definitely only tied to quantity just in a roundabout way, but not rarity/quality.
@rickbomhof send 8k dust, send smaller shipment values 300-600k send lower amounts of various resources instead of going all in because other resources function on diminishing returns just like dust
ever thought about that we are 5 days in the league and MAYYYBE they scaled ALSO the time played BEFORE loot from ships and so on mmight reach the Peak 7,10 or 14 days after start ... ?!?!? BUT i expected SOME peope starting to complain about some things 1-2 days after start , that dodn´t happen , i wonder a bit ^^ 😆
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You a hero
basically rewards scale at log scale, very dev thing to do
Just a thought: This might be because the cities you ship to have break points.
IE It's not multiplicative to what you put in.
if it has 0/100 with a multiplier of 120% and another has 50/100 for 50%, it could be that large shipments push it past that break point of 50/100 lowering the % gained from the shipment.
To put into simple numbers;
Break point 1: 0/100 port with 120% value for the first 50 ore.
Break point 2: 50/100 port with 50% value for the next 25 ore.
Break point 3: 75/100 port with 10% value for the next 25 ore.
This means you're actually getting +110 value on the first break point, + 37.5 value for the second and 27.5 for the last.
This means the difference between putting in 50 vs 100 ore is 45 for double the input.
These ofc arent the actual values, it seems way more aggressive.
I've been sending like half my crops with some dust with every single shipment I do and I've gotten 4 divs so far from ships. Only level 93, playing pretty casual with a long way still to go on my town.
I'm having flashbacks to when I tried to scale attack speed on an old build and I found a video describing how the break points work for it. Until you hit the breakpoint (multiplier in this case for the shipment) it doesn't actually change how fast you attack. And as you attack faster and faster that break point gets harder to hit, to have any actual effect on your build. The breakpoint (multiplier for the shipment) is just very early and very steep in this case.
Could've just said diminishing returns broski
@@evoknz I didn't think it fit since its such a steep breakpoint. Diminishing returns to me is more subtle in my opinion, but you're not wrong.
@@evoknz diminishing returns is typically a nice curve. Breakpoints are plateau's. the graph looks different, if that makes sense? I don't know how else to explain it.
@@StormCloudGenerator Maybe, i don't imagine a curve, I just imagine investing more and having less returns the more i invest, with no proportions attached to it
Im so addicted to this league mechanic
So we see that adding multiple crops increases stack size/quantity of items received. How much do you wanna be the Shipment value is a rarity multiplier.
Also really wanna know wtf GGG was smoking that they got 3 pages of loot with 2 whole rows of alterations. We got baited hard
Neon stated in the interview with ziggy that they already by that time changed the quantity and wanted to make less loot but more valueable - but yeah i would have enjoyed boat loads oft bubblegum as well sadge
Either that or there actually is a secret threshold after which you suddenly get pages full of loot. Would be surprised about the latter, but also don't like the former bc it implies GGG actively lied about this.
anyone who played PoE for some time (league or two and more) knew that was a bait with the shipment... expected from a studio that can make custom items (white daggers with thousands of damage) on the fly - so why not l00t too?
Will try this strat out for sure, fingers crossed 😅
sorry guys I got lost in the bathroom -toad
It was already proven that the dust has diminishing returns. Logically, it would make sense for everything else to have the same diminishing returns.
Going from 1 to 55 is the same difference as 55 to 550.
Therefore not even counting dust, 55 corn, 55 wheat and 55 pumpkin is worth as much as 8,000 of one crop.
As far as what your shipment should be for currency farming...put in the amount needed for each bonus for that port. Then put in the amount of dust that you can maintain. Then go through and change all crops to the same amount (whatever amount keeps your failure chance low). Repeat this with every port that you can. Also much better to send to the closest ports if you plan on being on, and the distant ports before you log off, as the distance has diminishing returns as well.
Another thing to think about is why they would give us 3 ships if the best way to get loot is sending everything on one ship, that would make having two more ships useless
I also saw ZiggyD cheat sheet about the league mechanic. Apparently crops always return currency no matter the destination they go to, on the other hand, ore or bars will bring back items, fragments tatoos depending to what port they’re sailing
While the point is true, I think it is also important to note it is not worth stockpiling all the crops just to be efficient. The most worth is probably going to send whatever amount you can comfortably sustain, without going all in on the sendings. You get no value from having 100k crops in your town, but nice findings
"Think about it chat think about it WAKE UP!" got me lolol
Ah, yes, the best mage on UA-cam. Steelmage. :D I send love and thanks for the update, brother. Time to play some more P.o.E. ! 😁
so finally, nothing can answer this machanic
If "Total Value" holds jack shit worth relative to the actual types of resources you ship, GGG giving us an accounting league where the numbers are an absolute lie is peak.
If sending multiple shipments is the optimal way, then does that mean that getting tier 10 sailors are not worth it? Since they are made for big risk shipments and their wage is higher
you can keep them on standby for the 4hr shipment when you go sleep
Yeah doesnt make much sense from a game mechanics point of view does it
Idk I saw a dude post his 13 million reward and got 9 divines
its eartquake or ground slam ?
Do the affliction spectres bought in ritual work like in affliction, where if they die, ghey are gone, or can uou have them in your desecrate pool to respawn when dead, like regular mobs?
Recombination is actually not bad early game if you have 2 random items that have randomly good stats and just throw it in. Better then nothing
my theory would be that you actually getting those 300x loot but with GGG upscaling values, like not how you would trade 150c to 1div but with vendor exchange values, so it could be that upscaling REALLY JUST SUCK, like if you getting 1 div per 600c rolled or something like that, and small shipments work just because there is less upscaling and more rolling the dice.
has anyone noticed a correlation with shipment value and the rate at which pirates hold capture the crew? feels like cheap shipments attract pirates a lot less often, but when i send a massive shipment it almost always gets captured. Maybe a separate gold farming strat. Or maybe just me
3 chaos? Huge
@steelmage I been sending 1k of each type of food type, except for last one since it producing much slower then other and that been 250 ( note my town not like steel mages town in ranks) I just got last food type few days ago. yesterday I got 3rd div orb in shipment 72k size... now i don't like 10 shipments before i got div but they where small one's and each one was 2 1/2 hour shipment time, mostly trying to get some tat's for my gear. I could do short range timer shipments, but i heard long range ones reward better over short. forgot add in i use 9k dust
Is there a difference between ports? You woul think the further away ports would give more reward for the same amount
so if you dont do big shipments, you dont need much crew and therefore save like 8k crew cost per hour
Also, if it's better to do the lower value shipments, doesn't that mean you can save gold on the sailors too?
Is archmage ice nova good in this league? I see some people play other variation with crit and power charges is it good?
how does he have that cool, life (purple instead of red) was that from a supporter pack?
If there is no other use for your crops you should send as much as you can sustain. There is no point in passively accumulating tons of them.
Maybe. Maybe someone will find some hidden threshold in a week or so requiring a billion total ship value or something, who knows
you waste gold on your "passively" accumulated tons of them. Use amount you need not lvl10 every slot
What would be the 6th link for earthquake setup?
Saw some other UA-camr claiming that you get the best shipping results from sending only the items they want, and not over the amount asked for, that will give more rewards, and have a lower risk, sending any items they don't want will increase the risk alot, not sure if that is something you guys have tested, but that seems to work for me (at a much lower level of the mechanic than this)
I need like 500k gold
Where is the "Eyyy yo guys whats up" when you figure out the strat!
I Appreciate the effort
Where is he getting the attack speed from????
8250 magic number, got it boss 👍
i dont get whats the point of high rank sailors if you're supposed send only 300-600k shipment values
What you can do is have one ship with your starting line, rank 8-10 sailors and those are the guys you send your big haul for satisfying port quotas. You can still also partially meet port quotas on your 3000-600k shipments so always worth.
didnt he sent 1200 with the first ship and in the second run he shipped 5x1200 ... obv its more loot T_T doesnt matter its different crops,its literally MORE. to test if different crops matter he had to sent 6k first and the second run 6k but split 5x 1200 and then see if there is a difference or am i missing something? maybe editing was bad and he sent 6k first but took the wrong clip? idk
because it's known that 6000 of 1 crop is not noticeably more than 1200 of 1 crop.
Sendin 5000 of 1 crop is worse than sending 1000 of 5 crops.
And Its VASTLY worse
@@josefplacek4200 Why is it worse if the total of value mattes?
1. 1 crop 5000 for quota for example gives 300k value
2. each crop for 1000 also 300k
Its the same. But doing "quota" is more efficient. The end value matters So just do the quota and little shipments with 300-500k value
@@zomgree because there are hidden diminishing returns. Shipment value doesnt matter for rewards, its just for the risk mechanic. Also U shouldnt finish the quota with 1 shipment, there is no point unless you Really want the 1 unique.
@@zomgree u can try it for yourself. Sending 1000 of 5 different crops and another ship with 5000 of 1 crop. The first ship will have insanely better rewards
best league mechanic❤
What's that atlas strat
Episode 1 compared to episode 2 of the league are like 2 different leagues, sad there is no progression shown
But are 1200 and or 2500 crops the correct values like dust is 55-550-8250? Or is that not 100% figured out yet?
the dust has been data mined but the crop numbers havent been figured out
Does it mean that there's no point in sending more than 8250 dust?
@@mateuszhyps5732yes
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Why do I have a million dust? Am I doing something wrong?
Tried this last night and got a divine.
if we hit 95 can we migrate everything to settlers and still be in the raffle?
yes just don't delete the character -toad
my guildmate sent 13 mil value and got 6 div and 1 mirror shard from 1 ship
I got a divine doing a 400 shipment of corn and 8000 dust
yes amd no, I've sent 800-1kk shipments got 1 div and 4kk shipments where I got 5 div same crop (wheat + corn)
steel "doing his own research" lol
Crops generate currency , bars generate items and runes I think
sample size of one
I wish I got Arys axe but only for streamer price not real price
TLDR?
i thought 3x was 8000 exactly
8104
recombs r fked! i tryed many times with good items and always get worse and lose stuff
I got a divine from literally 150 Wheat and 150 Pumpkin 🤣
I send 1.5 mill and I get divine in every sending
Shipment value could work in a different way though, not as quant but as rarity even for currency making it more likely to get higher tier currency like divines etc. Also the 1250 per crop and 300k value to aim for seem kind of randomly chosen by steel so I'd take that with a grain of salt
Exactly, this whole thing reeks of broscience based off of 2 examples and a massive amount of asspull assumptions to go with it. Can't wrap my head around how he somewhat correctly assumes that the amount of stuff you send doesn't directly translate into the amount of stuff you get in return, but STILL thinks that it's definitely only tied to quantity just in a roundabout way, but not rarity/quality.
Wow i suck at poe
it isn't only obivous in hindsight ;p
"Gears not optimized"
Also: *Has gear far better than anyone with an actual 9-5*
Someone got a tldr
@rickbomhof send 8k dust, send smaller shipment values 300-600k
send lower amounts of various resources instead of going all in because other resources function on diminishing returns just like dust
@@card425 MVP thanks
you are so wrong
xdd
First?
ever thought about that we are 5 days in the league and MAYYYBE they scaled ALSO the time played BEFORE loot from ships and so on mmight reach the Peak 7,10 or 14 days after start ... ?!?!? BUT i expected SOME peope starting to complain about some things 1-2 days after start , that dodn´t happen , i wonder a bit ^^ 😆