@Syeem Ahmed Musa what's that pal you regard a child abuser as an ideological role model?? Who abused a 9 year old child, think your skewed zealoted outlook renders your triggered whines as irrelevant these western nations getting ready for the next crusades, hope your ready
@@jacobbaumgardner3406 Oh I understand what he said. I just don't think the sorts of errors everyone makes on a regular basis are a super-big deal. But I don't expect them to stop being reported like this.
@@felixthehuman I think you're right, with the exception that these being a regular occurrence is an issue. A few times here or there is one thing, but for it to happen so often isn't good.
The subs are actually kind of a distraction from what the deal is actually about. The main part of the deal is Australia building and operating naval resupply and port facilities for the US navy, including their subs, on the mainland. This gives the US another avenue to the south china sea as well as Guam, which has reached the limit of its development. The subs were the payment to Aus that we asked for in return. From the US perspective, Australian nuclear subs are a nice auxilliary force, but more naval infrastructure is absolutely essential if they want to contain China further.
Ignoring the fact that the UK is supplying many of the vital components .. But yea, sure, it's all about the us... Because the rest of the world doesn't exist right?
Actually China not give any fcking care about this, because already there more countries protest this like Netherland Indonesia,there reaction more worse
i love how despite their best and explicit efforts to emphasise these subs were nuclear powered, media outlets still jumped on the opportunity to skew the headlines alluding to nuclear weapons
i think its a thing that aus have said they wont use nuclear power rite? so its fair to calll out that hypocrisy. but its just the best thing for stealth subs. you cant really shoot em down for it. and lets be fair 5eyes has been a thing for years. it without doubt has made the entire west safer. a new pact within 5eyes nations shouldnt be supprising.....
I am happy about no weapons, but the decision to not go ahead with civil power plants is upsetting. They're our best option to deal with base-load power.
@@rayash5666 He's talking about the PM not the country. Try reading. Slowmo is forgettable. He has ties to paedophiles and rapists, walked out and went on holiday when Australia was facing its largest environmental disaster this century. All this from a so-called Born again Christian.
@@BrotherChad does everything still get smashed in them bastard foil cartons? literally got chips served in one of them bastards and i said keep the cunt.
I really hope In and out burger comes to the UK one day lol. Anyway France has the biggest EEZ globally and yeah i think this is a wake up call to Europe to be little more independent from NATO.
If a cold war ends in mutually assured distruction, MAD, and nuclear winter, Australia had a good chance of surviving as this separate pristine island far down under had it remain neutral. It just threw that away for a few subs without even N-tips. The deal and its hosting USAF makes it a vassal state with no strategic autonomy and fair target in the final show down. Isn't it a high price to pay against another power which has never shown any inclination to invade Australia ?
@SMA Productions but that's the thing, the EU/france's interests in the pacific are the exact same as the American/Australian interests. The only problem France has is losing out on 50 billion dollars
Macron refusing to talk to PM Morrison. I really hope that Australia stands its ground and just walks away from the FRench they have the support of their people and the UK people is this right? Anyone who threatens to stop trade between a block and Australia is not a friend of the Aussies.
While I'm against non-democracy, China had not invaded a foreign power since Vietnam in 1979. The Chinese people have pulled their nation from poverty to 2nd world power in 30 years. And remember americas itchiness at other nations power. When Japan looked like it would takeover the US's economy in the 80s/90s very similar rhetoric was present as against China now. I believe the prioritization of power over human lives is the biggest problem, and illegal activities by any country (such as US sanctions on Cuba (considered a war crime) and Chinas island building) should be much more assertively scrutinized and punished, rather than making one side or the other the good or bad guys.
@@petereissing5070 China literally is currently slowly invading Bhutan and India and also salami slicing in South China Sea. Invasion doesn't mean declaration of war anymore. They just keep moving forward inch by inch. Just last year a conflict between the Chinese and Indian troops deep inside Indian territory led to a loss of around 70 soldiers for both sides.
The French outrage is entirely predictable as is the EU’s noises for an independent defence posture. In that sense, AUKUS is a propaganda gift to the EU in the medium to long term. However, China’s growing influence always made it inevitable that the anglophone powers would close ranks at some point, and it is only a matter of time before New Zealand is sucked into this realignment. The geopolitical calculus is inescapable, and as a matter of fact, necessary.
Especially since the EU does not need Australia to have ports in the Pacific, thanks to New Caledonia. it was a very good macron calculation for the European project. And anyway the political project of the pacific are extremely different between the eu and the usa.
keep new zealand out of it, when new zealand refuses to spend anything on its military but a token force and wont let USA ships into there port but demands there help and protection at the same time sucking up to china and refusing to say anything negative about them they can allie with china instead of australia. It might be good after china loses the war we can reclaim new zealand and turn it back into a western country as its not western anymore its socialist
@@tanis634 Do you think Australians have forgotten about French nuclear tests in the pacific? or the New Zealanders forgotten about the rainbow warrior? No one locally likes the French and so it was an easy decision that no one is complaining about. The last time EU ships (German) came to the Pacific they stopped in Australia......not New Caledonia.
@@タコの王 I don't care, I'm not French. normal that the German eurofighters did not come to new caledonia, since it was precisely a joint eurofight test from australia and rafale from new caledonia to taiwan. Same for the navy. As for the nuclear tests, 4255 miles from Australia the Americans detonated two nuclear bombs which killed 130,000 civilians. the muruoa nuclear tests are 4700 miles from australia. Me as a Swiss, what makes me laugh is to see Australia claiming its nuclear toys, when they are unable to produce, maintain and use them. And mock the French who produce them themselves their submarines and their nuclear bombs and who are themselves at the origin of the discovery of radioactivity and nuclear power, with henri beckrel, pierre and marie curie, francis perrin (physicist) and the descendants of the curie prix nobel also. France is the fourth country having received the greatest number of nobel prizes with 73 one of the last is the arn messenger by emmanuelle charpentier who made it possible to invent covid vaccines. australia received 11 prizes nobel in all and for all :) I would add that your nuclear submarines, nobody is sure that you will receive them, it is enough that the successor of biden changes his mind: D lol but all that you have to be intelligent to understand it ^^
@@タコの王 We are talking about politics and military alliance, do you deny France an important player in the Pacific? It's a strategical mistake to spit on a potential ally, do not be surprised when war with China break out that France will stay out of it and declare it a regional problem that doesn't concern France or Europe.
This alliance has me questioning the integrity of our governments, Australia very recently passed a surveillance-like bill in that it allows them to violate personal freedoms without a warrant, potentially frame people for crimes they didn't commit without consequences, among other things. Scotland very recently has taken to arresting people for stupid remarks on twitter, and both practically trample on freedoms and free speech. I'm kinda shocked more people aren't talking about this sort of thing.
No, you just don't want to accept you country hired an old man with dementia, anyone who has grandparents or works around seniors knows the movements, gestures and the way Biden carries himself is not the Way a healthy person would behave.
@@tomd96 I have to agree with you on the surveillance bill, it is completely unethical and there’s just no reason for it, but I do think AUKUS is a step in the right direction, we’ve essentially been using the same subs for decades now, the technology could do with an upgrade, plus, France has stabbed us in the back many times, I have no idea why they’re making such a fuss.
Let's be realistic forgetting much of the politicking, the Australians are starting to feel threatened by the growth of the military power in the region, they have decided that the deal with the US is likely to give them stronger support from the USA if China becomes more expansive, the military might of the French is less attractive & seen as less of a deterrent than the USA.
@@annabarr1304 Given the potential issues with China, only 2% GDP trade with France and a US Coast Guard that is the same size as the French Navy, what does France provide that is more important than a more technologically and industrially robust Australia with compatible military infrastructure?
@@DANINREDDY while the French footprint is small, they have one of the most developed logistic footprints in Europe and maintain global power projection. They don't have the population to take on China, but they're capabilities are real and would have a fighting chance against any similarly sized nation.
They had a contract, there were points in the contract where the contract could be withdrawn from (for both parties) and so Australia withdrew from the contract. The idea of Diesel subs was dumb from the outset, and we were getting these from the french at a higher price than the french build their own nuclear subs. I'm glad the contract was thrown out.
@@rodneyholland1867 Withdrawing from a contract via a sudden public announcement is nevertheless still poor form. They talked to the French barely days before. They should've let them know in advance.
@@rodneyholland1867France is complaining they didn't get notice while the Aussies said they had registered their grief with the progress so it's your word against mine I do trust that the Aussies will compensate for the termination in accordance with the clauses in time but it's a serious loss of face for France Way I see the strategic environment is moving rapidly and the Aussies probably think there is no time to piss about
@@vinniechan I think you are right. The difference is in the framing of whether is is just a business contract, or is it more. There seems to be a wide ranging opinion... As you can probably tell, I don't think this should have been an insult to France generally, but many (including Macron) have interpreted it as such. Thanks for the interesting discussion and thoughts.
i actually prefer them trying to pronounce it the French way. although it's not perfect it'll never be and I rather see it as a sign of respect, plus it's fun.
I am half French and speak French fluently. His pronunciation was what we in France call "superficiel". It is when British people pronounce French in a way designed to impress other non French speakers but is in fact incorrect. But for us it always raises a smile, and maybe also some cringes :)
Three conclusions: 1. UK sees breaking treaties to harm the EU as a new sport. UK wants enmity. 2. Biden's foreign policy is not so different from Trump's. Trump's selfish view of the world has become the official US view. 3. The EU will work together even more closely and will also cooperate with Russia and China, whether the US likes it or not.
@@heinedietiker4943 So EU says it represents democracy, liberal values, and western values, yet you're saying it will work with China who represents the exact opposite?
@@heinedietiker4943 so basically you are making things up and you are saying Europe represents freedom democracy etc yet they will work with China and Russia who are anti Democratic wow
The German leadership might be short sighted, but they are not that dumb. Nor can I imagine any other EU nation but portugal and greece agreeing to such a bad idea.
@@aidantuckwell9191 Your country doesn't have the military capacity to face Brazil, and thinks it can frighten China, this can only be a joke, any third world country wins yours, even India that is in the middle ages has better weapons than your country.
History is longer than this decision. You know when we were Allies to France back in the 80's and we had a little problem with Argentina, who of our esteemed and greatest allies do you think it was that sold them exocet missiles? The french, youl forgive me if the loss of a few euros doesnt make me sad when i think of british soldiers that lost their lives directly at the hands of the decisions of French arms companies.
@@dat581 literally what are you even fucking talking about. communists? really? i might’ve missed it but I haven’t exactly seen the abc parading about to l’internationale lol
Actually, only 8 billion of the 56 billion euro deal was going to go to the French company. These subs were supposed to be Australian built with the French company providing the design and transferring technology. The bulk of the losses are on the Australian side. The reason why France is pissed is because the country hoped to build a long term security partnership with Australia. Turns out, France is not even on Australia's radar now.
So what percentage of Australia is English and what percentage of the United States is English I don't think too many African Americans would appreciate being called Anglo-Saxons not to mention the Irish Swedish Mexicans Puerto Ricans Koreans Japanese Chinese Spanish French Welch Scottish Italians Romanians poles Russians and native American Indians Indians themselves from the subcontinent and too many others to mention ... Anglo-Saxons!!!!!? Come to think of it not even England is an Anglo-Saxon country.
As always there is more in the detail on these issues. The French/Australian sub deal has been in trouble for a long time, with the Aussies having to wait so long for delivery, that the subs will be obsolete by the time they arrive. The Australians had been having second thoughts on this deal for a some time.
In Scotland we are overloaded with English junk, you could remove and upgrade their rusting hulks, Trident could tow them down to the Thames. The Ministry of Attack could remove their dumpsites. We could celebrate with Empire Biscuits!!
@@robertgalloway3771 hopefully the deluded english=rule britania ha ha will remove their toy subs from scotland and go to usa clienet state australia! their gov. is as bad as ukgov. who been a satrap since early forties !SAOR ALBA
The Australians asked them to be manufactured in australia, and to be retrofited with non nuclear technology.. Had they just ordered the nuclear subs it would have cost 30 billions for 20 subs
Most American media works diligently to edit all his addresses and speeches. They cut out the nonsensical mumblings, the lapse in attention and the forgetting where he is. They even alter his quotes to make it seem like he spoke in cognitive statements
Meh, the guy has a life long stutter, which still shows up now and then. I actually find the media highlighting it kinda revolting, but we all know how the right tends to feel about things like disability and image.
Prime Minister. Premiers are the state-level equivalent. And yes, we did have a Prime Minister with the name Howard. John Howard was PM for eleven years before getting voted out in 2007.
The Eurocorps already exist, as a cooperation officer's corp. And the defensive border army is already in place, namely Frontex (which claims to only be there for migration controls, but has anti tank weapons and armored vehicles already) Only further step would be the creation of a rapid deployment group, that is an army with the actual authority to operate without member state authorization. But that's likely to get vetoed for a long time because it would give the EU the power to pull its member states into war without permission, and that's a big nono for almost everyone outside of germany, belgium and netherlands (the ones pushing for it)
i think we are kinda forced to ''unite'' the eu more and more if we dont wanna be lapdogs to the u.s or china or have russia pick of the eastern blocks one by one
As a European I can understand Australia given the slow progress and apparently rising costs with the current sub deal. (from what ive gathered) But I also approve move for greater european strategic autonomy.
There is no viable European defence community without the UK . Germany,Italy and France cannot agree .Italy and France even supported rival sides in the Libyan civil war post 2011.
As an Australian, I agree with you. Europe should be self sufficient militarily as well as economically. A peaceful, secure and prosperous Europe is a very good thing for the whole world as well as the people of Europe.
I think the EU will move to that. I think the EU was always on that path. I think the UK never wanted to be a part of that and hence Brexit. If what the EU was about had been more openly discussed by UK Governments of the past then we would not have been in for so long and I think that would have been better for everybody.
@@Rainonasphalt The Europeans should adopt the Russian approach. Realising that the could not match the US and NATO in every aspect, they decided on an asymmetric response to the perceived threat. They carefully chose a few areas which could excel and which would deter any attack. This is why Putin has said the Russian armed forces are ‘stronger than any aggressor’. It’s not a claim to absolute superiority but a claim to be able to successfully defend Russian territory. If Russia can afford to do that, so can the European Union. It would be good if they did so because it would remove the perception that they are simply freeloading on the American military and make Europe more independent.
We should be careful on money useage,if you are not spending to earn back,then stop spending.Apparently my view on the solution is to venture into business .
There might be many investments out there but if profit must be considered,which is the actual sole of investment, I will advice you to go into bitcoin trading because it has higher profit than most investment.
I’ve been watching Vigil and I’m pretty sure I know enough to build my own nuclear powered submarine. If Hertfordshire doesn’t exist next week things didn’t go to plan.
Edit: Well, now, hello debate. That's good! But don't take random commenters' words for things (that includes me), do a little bit of researching for yourself! (preferably just straight fact-reporting basic news sources (with no imprinted bias) so that you can form your own speculations on events!) Here's the general timeline: Some years ago - Australia asks for French submarines, France offers nuclear submarines, but Australia wants diesel (requiring significant redesign, and expense to Australian people) Keep in mind, the Australian PM has a history of going back on promises (how he came to power) 18 months ago - negotiations on AUKUS Recently - France and Australia congratulate each other on their cooperation Now - Australia, the UK, and US, exchange nuclear (not diesel) submarines in the new pact People criticise France for its nuclear tests in the Pacific, when the US made much bigger tests in the Pacific, and the UK and Australia dropped bombs in the outback too (all bad). None of this was democratic, and the media in Australia may seem positive, but Australia has the lowest media diversity in the developed world and legalised bribery ("political donations").
"lowest media diversity"? Is that referring to the spectrum of political opinions represented in news networks? Also political donations are a thing in pretty much any country that has political parties or candidates. (That isn't me endorsing them, for the record - merely stating how widespread they are.)
@@psych0536 We wouldn't, but the Australian government did (in extreme secrecy) from 1952 to '57 in Maralinga, Emu Field (SA), and the Montebello Islands (WA).
I'm sorry, why are they "all bad"? Also apart for the economic aspect of france losing out on 50 billion dollars, I don't see how this has any military or political implication, because Australia, the UK and the US are still their allies.
Helping allies and sharing technology: disturbing regional peace Massively expanding your own navy and trying to become the largest navy in the world: Perfectly ok, it's not an arms race
Except that, up until now, the Non-proliferation treaty on nuclear arms was interpreted as not allowing the sharing of any kind of military-grade nuclear technology, including reactors for nuclear submarines. That is the reason why Australia is the first country without nukes to get nuclear submarines. For additional reference, Brazil is currently trying to get its own nuclear submarines with the help of France, but said help will not be on how to build the nuclear reactor, but only on how to integrate it into a submarine.
@@exodud5016 I understand that, but nuclear powered submarines are at least much better than actual nuclear weapons. The bigger point I'm trying to say is that it is very hypocritical of China to say this is disturbing regonal peace, when they are massively expanding their navy, which is worse than this.
@@sionsmedia8249 Oh yes, it's definitely worse, but because of the US' move now China and more importantly Russia have free reign over selling their own nuclear submarines to whatever allies they see fit (and France too). My point is that China doing worse does not mean the US ain't doing sht
china should just do what the Soviets did when nato was formed. Soviets: whatcha doing there comrade? nato: forming a military alliance Soviet: against me? nato: no no, we would never. this is just for the security of europe Soviet: we're in europe, we want europe to be secure. can we join? nato: ... okay it is against you. Soviets: that's what I thought.
Shame the pact is being pronounced "Aw-kus". It's remarkably close sounding to Orcus - a Roman god of the underworld and "Punisher of Broken Oaths". ;-)
@@soulflame799 France on its own might be somewhat irrelevant compared to China or the US alone but that pushes the creation of an army for Europe. If this were ever to happen, Europe would be among the greatest military power of the world. Moreover, it greatly damages NATO which was already at sake in an extremely tense climate. It might even push Europe to create closer bounds with China and Russia whilst the US and the UK isolate themselves.
@@antoinesimon6126 Let's hope a unified European army will work better then the Economical Union has so far. I'm Belgian and our army "modernized" some of it's smaller armed vehicles that were getting old. So they got fitted with all the mdern digital tech and now the cabin of the driver's seat is so narrow only the small soldiers fit in it. Oh, and maybe Europe should stop bashing on the Eastern European countries, how abou that? I agree with closer bonds with Russia, there used to be a time where pre-soviet Russia was closer to Europe, also through the monarchies. But Europe, with it's fake "European standards" has been too critical against Russia and that's stupid because Russia is European as well. I also don't see how AUKUS isolates itself? The common wealth is larger then Europe.
@@mr.meeseeks3074 I'm Belgian, and what I said about the Belgian army is what our military themselves are complaining about. It has NOTHING to do with the Russians, but EVERYTHING to do with the Belgian gov saving on military expenses already for decades which leads to a degraded, less performant army. But it's always easier to point the finger at the Russians, of course.
A good video, but a correction: Matt Bevan is from the Australian Broadcasting Corportation, not (as shown in the video) the American Broadcasting Company.
Bear in mind that it will be a decade before the first fleet unit is delivered - and much longer to acquire the whole fleet. There is thus less to this than meets the eye.
A decade of co-operation and infrastructure building may be the point. From a demographics perspective, there are two good reasons to have a larger presence in Australia's corner of the world. First is the demographic squeeze an aging population will put on China, which could make the politics more hazardous. Second, is the transition of Europe to a post growth demographics like Japan, which means southeast Asia will be a far better market for U.S. goods.
Well, it could be less than a decade if the UK or the US (I am French) accept to sell or lease two or three units to Australia. But for what concerns the nuclear submarines built in Australia, the first sea trials will not take place before at least 20 years. Switching to nuclear propulsion is opening the door to a completely different world. You need 10,000 highly qualified specialists to assemble 1,000,000 structural steel components, install 20 km of piping, 150 km of electric cables and more than 70,000 systems in a relatively tiny space, all this around a nuclear power plant. Australia will not acquire this capacity within a ten years delay ; I do not intend to be contemptuous vis-a-vis our Australian friends, it is just that it is impossible. And then it will require new urgent developments for their surface fleet. They will need high tech ASM capacities to train their subs and to deter the potential adversaries from probing the coastal defenses (their bases will suddenly become potential targets). Obviously, they will also need high tech minesweeping technology ; you really don't want a nuclear sub to get blown off at the entrance of an Australian base, it would not look good. And finally they are going to recruit a lot of submariners. You need 2 crews per ship, 8 ships will therefore require between 1,600 and 2,000 submariners, two third of them being highly qualified. All this is feasible but they have yet to measure the efforts required. In reality, the chance that they end up spending the equivalent of five times the budget allotted to the Diesel project is real. This being said, I agree that nuclear powered subs do make sense, because of the distances to patrol and because of the emerging threats.
@@jefelder8183 All the investment may be a feature of the deal not a bug. The French navy, while formidable and world wide deployable, is roughly the same as the U.S. Coast Guard and is unlikely to deploy to defend Australia as its first impulse should things become lively with China. A 20 plus year investment program under the umbrella of the U.S. military in Australia may be a more comforting safety blanket than the roughly 3500 personnel France has deployed in the region.
The French are mad because the Australians specifically wanted a non-nuclear version of a French nuclear submarine. That is also why it was so expensive as the current French submarines cost only 1bn euros each. It's another question whether France would have sold them to Australia. There are also advantages to modern AIP non-nuclear subs: They are much quieter, can operate in shallow waters and are better at fighting ASW systems. I understand that this is less relevant to Australia though. There is also a reason only nuclear powers have so far obtained nuclear powered subs. The core is usually highly enriched uranium and the nuclear waste can be used in nuclear bombs. So I am interested in whether the US will care about proliferation or are they just going to trust Australia to do whatever they like with it.
Australia does in theory have the capacity to produce nuclear armarments since it still has the research from the UKs Nuclear tests in Australia. further more an Australian company claimed to have cracked laser based uranium enrichment and 'chose' to censure its own technology due to fear that a laser enrichment facility would be much harder to detect than a conventional facility thus threatening nuclear non proliferation. Ontop of that is the large deposits of uranium in Australia making it potentially possible to produce with no outside connections.
That's complete bulls#!t. Nuclear subs are faster, can go farther, are more stealthy, & can stay submerged for years. Australia jumped at the chance to possess nuclear submarine technology, & that's why they scrapped the overpriced deal with France.
@@grantsapain they are faster and have greater range, but they are not necessarily stealthier. AIP submarines are stealthier and also only have to surface once a month.
@@tobiwan001 Not true. Electric/diesel subs are only quieter while running on electric mode only, but must surface to recharge the batteries, & are louder while running on deisel mode. Nuclear subs can stay submerged for YEARS, are much faster, & can travel much farther...
Xi has had China running an arms race for several years...with a major new warship being built every year. Australia's response to a powerful customer who is becoming increasingly more demanding ...to be fair...took its sweet time.
@@LagartoPT That's power is reducing as the UK looks elsewhere for goods plus the other EU members will not be happy to loose trade.I realise that the French have always seen the EU as an extension of French power but the reality is the Germans are the real driving force behind the EU.
@@Dockhead well the UK and AU are already allies because of the Commonwealth agreement....but yes the The Queen of the UK is indeed the Queen of Australia as well
youre not the first victim of this France, happened to the UK when they agreed to sell wildcat helicopters to korea but switch to the US version after some political pressure last minute
@@stephenjenkins7971 No, what are you on about? The Germans, the French and the Japanese presented their submarine for Australian consideration, and the Aussies chose the French model which they deemed to be the best, they said so themselves! That's not what happenned with Aukas, Aukas has nothing to do with competing technologies (the French also have excellent nuclear powered submarines), it has everything to do with geopolitics.
what political pressure, if france had completed 2 subs by now which they could of there would not be any problem. if america can build 2 -3 subs a year , france should be able to build 1 per year which they cant do.
I fail to see why France is so surprised. The Australian Military got an unexpected chance to buy a far superior product. Name one Military in the world that would not have jumped at the chance.
Fake outrage. The French were totally ripping us off with an expensive and worthless product and they knew it. The deal was made originally for inane domestic political reasons. We are so glad to be out of the French deal, even if we lose a lot of the money.
Just for the laugh, the USN actually consider the French submarines to be some of the best in the world, on par with their own, and the French navy has been rewarded as the best anti submarines warfare navy by the USN (and guys what they train against ? You're right, the French subs that are super difficult to detect... XD ) But funnily enough, most of the anglo speaking internet seems to ignore this because they don't read the news that don't speak ill of the French ;)
The french didn’t care about Australia’s defence, they just cared about their own profits and pride. Their delays, products faults and cost overruns are the reason why they lost the job.
Keep in mind, Australia wanted the French Nuclear Sub design but changed to be a conventional diesal design. In addition to other changes made a long the way.
The Australian tender was for a diesel sub, not a nuclear sub. The French diesel sub was a nuclear sub redesigned into diesel version to suit the Australian needs. It was not a simple deal between Australia and France, it was an alliance between the 2 countries, and France had to share it's know-how, technologies, and build facilities in Australia, make jobs there, and teach a new generation of Australian sailors how to use the new subs, so that Australia would be able to build it's own future generation of submarine, independantly.
i kind of blame turmbull for that. in the END australia could of just made collins 2 for all the money they wasted. they refused that because they called it high risk but the french option was even far higher risk as well. The french sub wasnt much better
I think France is noticing that a strengthening of alliances outside of the EU within the Anglosphere and macron does not seem amused by this. This division has seemed to become more clear as the EU and the anglosphere are increasingly having different priorities regarding China. Countries such as Australia and other pacific nations seem to be much more at risk of possible Chinese military aggression than Europe so countries within the pacific are naturally preparing for the worst
@@Alan_Mac UK is angry at the EU and wants to leave. EU let's UK leave, withdrawal agreement agreed and signed by both parties EU starts treating the UK as a non member state and expects it to hold up to their side of the "oven ready deal " Random youtuber who has absolutely no idea what he's talking about: eU aCtInG sO hOsTiLe....
Its cold war 2.0. That was the moment last year in September. Look at the world today and see what's going on in Europe. Going back and looking at these old comments shows how stupid people are.
Totally agree - 90% of the screw-ups on this procurement project have been by us..... They tell us now that it will all will run smoothly with the UK and USA!!! Not holding my breadth. Fingers crossed tho.
I think they're more annoyed that they got no warning and only found out through the news. Plus, I don't really get what you mean by 'crappy deal'. French submarines are the among best in the world, and they can build nuclear submarines too. The only reason they were selling us conventional subs is because we ordered conventional subs.
Crappy subs? France is basically the best you can buy. There are very few manufacturers of this type of equipment and aside from Russia and China, most of them are in the US, France, Germany, Japan, UK, Italy, Korea.
international agreements prohibited France from supplying nuclear submarines to countries outside the nuclear powers, in order to avoid nuclear proliferation. The submarines planned for Australia respected these agreements, and the contract with France also respected a technology transfer so that Australia could master its weapons.
Actually untrue, as France use LEU for its propulsion system, which is not weapon grade uranium, contrary to the US and UK designs, which would be in violation of the non proliferation's treaties. France actually offered to convert the design to nuclear (it is originally the French nuclear design modified for diesel propulsion, as per Australia request in the tender) but Australia refused each time.
Disappointed that non of the reasons for why this is a humiliation for France were mentioned... - Australia making France develope a diesel version of its nuclear submarines - buying American nuclear submarines instead of french while breaking the contract and not offering an alternative - the exclusion of a Pacific alliance while demanding European commitment to the region This is an utter mess for cross Atlantic relations.
Australia has been complaining about the subs for sometime, plus the fact that from what I can tell the current government was unhappy about the decision made by a previous government as being wrong for sometime. From what i have viewed from the military channels over the past year or so Australia was not very pleased with the progress being made relating to the design and build of the subs. France is angry for losing such a large prestigious contract, so would I be, though I assume that payments will be made by Australia, but I am surprised that they were not ready for this as they must have been reading the signs coming out of Australia. I think what hit them was the USA/UK assistance for nuclear powered submarines. From memory these days the UK users their own design of nuclear power for their submarines and naval ships.
there's an element of rudeness involved too since Australia gave France neither the opportunity to improve the deal nor advance information that they'd be scrapping it (guess they know how Australian citizens feel regarding the latter)
This isn't just about the contract, this is about geopolitics. Those submarines are just symbolic, and it's not like France's arms industries will get into major trouble for losing the order. What the French are upset enough about to start recalling ambassadors is that rather than presenting a united front to the rising military threat posed by the PRC, Britain and the US (and Australia to a lesser extent) are abrogating their responsibilities to the wider Western world and retreating to their own little clique, thus leaving France, as the third most powerful Western military, to pick up the pieces. All of this with little to no prior notice, and seemingly no thought given to how the formation of this agreement threatens established alliance systems like NATO.
The AUKUS deal made truly me understand how stupid New Zealand's Nuclear-Free policy is. I wish my country would wake up and realize the enemy at the gates.
i get where they are coming from, but i think nuclear power has another 20 yrs in development before it is 'safe' enough to sell to nz public. then they can say "nuclear powered - ok, nuclear weapons - no"
Of course it's intended to be adversarial against China. And rightly so. They're the primary adversary in the region. Boris is just papering over the obvious with polite speech.
Tell me again, which countries have been involved in overseas invasions and interventions into other nations in the last 40 years with armed forces to overthrow governments, and which haven't? Let's see, bingo for US, UK, and AUS, and nil for China. Yes, such a threat, they want to trade with everyone, which war isn't good for.
@@Gustav_Kurigajust trade my arse. They have a system that exploits economic and trade systems of other nations as they had severely depreciated their own currency in the 2000s. They use other nations as dumping grounds to destroy their local industries...secondly, china has threat most of it's neighbors with either expansionary claims and sometimes outright threat with war. To japan, taiwan, india and as such.
@@harshjain3122 Considering the US outright freezes country's monetary assets and sets up sanctions that make the common people starve while doing almost nothing to the actual government... sure bud. Keep buying the depreciation story. And FYI, most countries have some sort of territorial disputes. The fact that you've been led to believe this is in any way exceptional shows how much of the kool-aid you're drinking.
defend yourselves from who? all you lot do is kill each other let alone anyone else having a try , ok sfe russia is a problem but apart from them, who? a country in the European continent i bet
The worse part is not the deal, its the fact that the alliance and stakes were kept secret from their EU allies. Especially France that has lots of territories around Australia. You do that to enemies, not allies, and the EU should respond as such!
There had been a number of leaks in the past to the Chinese that had come from the EU. It cannot be trusted because too many of its members are stooges of Beijing. French territory around Australia are just a collection of islands and mean nothing to in the big picture of things. Australia is part of the Commonwealth and the Anglosphere. France has no clout there. The UK is its best friend which is why a million Brits live there and two out of its last five Prime Ministers were born in the UK.
It’s not the same but I would like to remind everyone France, and to be fair some other smaller countries had no problem selling out and making under the table deal for Quatari investment in exchange for World Cup votes. France and other nations have also had no problem turning a blind eye at the reported human rights violations and hundreds of deaths while building the stadium for it because they got millions in investment. So tough luck France when other nations make under the table deals worth billions leaving you out.
sure. because the olympics Of 2012 were attributed in the most transparent of ways ?...or the ones in salt lake city a few years prior?... there is a differences in being aggressive in securing a contract (and everyone does that, especially the US of the UK, and not respecting a signed contract, not having the decency to inform your partner that it is suspended, and then like bozo johnston giving moral lessons when the French are rightfull expressing their shock. the thing is that Boris had to deal with Europe and the French for its brexit deal afterwards and he paid very dearly for that slap in the face. and ever since the submarines in Australia have faced delays over delays and the OZ realize it was maybe not such a smart move anyway. never a good idea to not respect a contract and behave in such a shitty attitude
I don't care about Biden forgetting the Australian PM's name, you can just say "Prime Minister". What seems VERY unprofessional is calling our countries leader "Boris" at a live conference... what the hell. I despise Boris, but god damn, he just introduced you as "Mr President".
It suits Boris to be called as such though, it plays into his public persona when Biden shouldn't be enabling his PR strategy, Boris could have corrected him.
France's Ambassador forgot to mention : submarines deal for diesel (not nuclear) propulsion, explosion of costs(expensive), 8 months late deliveries... On the opposite the US offered cooperation in cyberdefense and technology transfer (for nuclear propulsion that french kept for themselves). France didn't have a better offer than that of other countries like US and Russia, or even China...
I read months ago that the price of the subs from France had approximately tripled since the contract was signed, and the process was paused to analyse this. I'm not hearing much of that now, for some reason.
Because it was due to changing views in Australia. Had they demanded Nuclear subs in the first place it would have been A LOT cheaper. Now they had to figure out modifications etc on the spot.
There is a new face in our extreme right landscape. Macron vs Lepen would end up in a reelection of Macron, she is actually his best ally. However this new face, named Eric Zemmour with already 10% in the polls without having declared that he is running. He's very cultured, knows in great detail history and he doesn't like immigration especially from muslim countries, the EU as well as the imperialist side of the US. He is very similar to De Gaulle. I personally believe in him since he's by far the most honest and cultured of the major candidates.
@@noticxever9317 De Gaulle's France was a France who was on the front stage of the world geopolitics, having a dying but still existing colonial empire. It was a France that was in denial about still being an essential player in the world, in denial its ability to stand alone. It was a France that was living its last moments as a main world power, and was delusional about it. And it's definitely not today's France. Zemmour's ideals are a relic of the past, good for delusional nostalgics who still have wet dreams about a "Strong France" who can stand on equal grounds with USA and China, without needing EU. They are good for hypocrite people who believe that there are "too many muslims and immigrants in France", even though they live themselves in environments where they barely meet any in their everyday life. They are good for people who want to drag us down to the same sorry state as UK is currently in. Zemmour may be cultured but he's certainly not honest, and he doesn't even know how to look for correct stats. We don't need him.
@@haidouk872 sorry state the UK is in? Mate, you haven't been in a longtime or something? A simple visit of Paris vs London tell us everything there is to know, the UK remains a fantastic place to live and work -- didnt go in a black hole. I don't like zemmour but I hate people who think france, or any country, are "too small" to exist. So what if you are not a super power colonizing some remote country? If the UK or France, both ranking amongst top 10 economies in the world with nuclear detterence, can't stand on their own two feet without a bunch of bureaucrats in brussels, all the other 170 countries in the world might as well just give up and commit mass suicide. Ridiculously dramatic.
@@seefortyoneuk5285 UK is needing the US and France is needing the EU to have a say on the global stage. The USA is stronger than the EU but UK has to follow the US lead, the EU is needing to improve on some topics to be a true super power ( e.g. about defense) but France has a say in the EU decisions. Two different choices for 2 very comparable countries in size and (mid) power.
French speaking here. This pact and especially the abandon of the contracts by Australia for USA is indeed seen as a betrayal here by most of those who follow geopolitics. Money is not really the issue, it's mostly the diplomatic humiliation that it inflicts us. But on the other hand, even if this very case is mostly about our french interest, it should serve as a new strong sign for EU countries that it's about time that we stop following USA and assert our own european interests, militarily and diplomatically, independantly of them. Between this smaller scale backstab against an ally, USA letting a NATO member agressing another NATO member from EU, the diplomatic incoherences under Trump era, and the bigger scale disasters in Iraq and Afghanistan, to name a few, I believe it has become clear nowadays that it's not in our interests to keep backing the policies of USA. USA, like all countries, act mostly for its interest, and one of the current most important american stances is the animosity with China for colliding interests in the Pacific. But the american control over the Pacific means nothing to us Europeans, we have nothing to gain from it, and we'll even suffer from it if we get dragged down in a conflict there because of USA. It doesn't matter to us whether USA or China is the main power, aside from the fact that we're old friends, they're equally foreign to us. It makes sense for Australia to adopt a clear stance a side with USA and I'm not even mad at them for prioritizing USA over us, because their interests are in this pacific region. However it makes no sense for us Europeans to remain dependant on NATO (meaning, being de facto dependant on USA), and get dragged in implicitly anti-China alliances. The USA have showed us once again that they're ready to backstab us if it's in their interest. They may be our friends but no longer our allies, or atleast they should no longer be. We must finally become completely independant, cold war is over. And if UK wanna get dragged along USA because they have isolated themselves from their closest partner (EU), too bad for them.
@@timsyoutube6051 China obviously can't be trusted, but neither can USA. And yeah, as much as I don't like american democracy, I'd prefer living in USA than China. However, this is no longer Cold War, this is no longer about spreading values and lifestyles, 21st century is just about economical and diplomatic interests. China is no longer trying to spread their government model, they just pursue their own interests, and so do USA, and so should we Europeans.
German here. I agree with most of your points. To me, that whole development is a clear sign that should encourage us to coorperate more within the EU. It's not the first sign though. Merkel being spied on by the five eyes intelligence agencies (US,UK,AUS,NZ,CAN) was another one. We need to restructure our armies and our military industry in a way that ensures EU autarky. We just can't rely on anyone else anymore. We should encourage EU divisions, projects like Eurofighter and we should also "synrchronize" our foreign policy more often. Coordination between police and intelligence agencies within the EU is also still miserable. I gotta say though. I still feel connected to US, UK & Aussie culture. So I hope that we will keep a rather friendly stance with them. However, Im very fine with restricting these relations to tourism, science, student exchanges and trade.
@@haidouk872 That's pretty naive. If China only cares about economy why is it so worried about Australia getting submarines? If its no longer cold War they shouldn't have cared one bit about Australia's military.
@@timsyoutube6051 They are worried because Australia has taken a clear allied stance with USA. And USA and China policies have been increasingly aggressive toward each other for influence over the pacific. Australia getting new American submarine effectively means USA making an aggressive military move in the region. Of course they'd be worried
The US Australia relationship is not based on the personalities of the leaders. It is based on shared interests. Remembering the current Australian Prime Ministers name or not is trivial. Biden knew he was in a video hookup with the Australian PM and showed warmth. Anyone can forget a name, especially as one gets older. It only starts to become a worry if they are doing it all the time.
When China started bullying Australia, France and France alone called it out. The then-US President was completely MIA. Australians have not forgotten the welcome and lone show of solidarity from France. It is thus unfortunate in the extreme that the forced but necessary change of strategic thinking has been handled so clumsily and humiliated our French friends in this way.😔😔
And France is a neighbor as well. You can forget any kind of cooperation in near future (certainty not as long as Morrison remains in power). And the kiwis are pissed as well about the nuclear propulsion. The PM move was so short slighted.
@@DANINREDDY Maybe the Kiwis should stop cozying up to the CCP. They are supposed to be members of the Five Eyes alliance after all. Trudeau and Ardern spend their time being buddies with China then cry foul when left out of military matters.
It is a total fantasy to think France is powerful enough in the Indo Pacific to back up Australia without the US against CHINA. The only answer to China is the USA
Not just France and China, even some of the ASEAN nations eg. Indonesia and Malaysia are openly sounding their displeasure saying such move as fueling the arm race in region.
I do hope that we all remember that we are America’s first ally. Just because of this mishap, we shouldn’t break the peace. Remember our common enemies.
1:20 that incident was just really funny for most Aussies and we really weren't too offended. in fact, if you bring it up with an Aussie they would probably have a good laugh with you
It’s a bit of a hissy fit. I think they will get over it. Macron could get some advice from Michel Barnier on the importance of concentrating on real interests and avoiding/ignoring the histrionics.
A heap of drama that will not exactly change much. France are playing the "betrayed ally" tune, which is understandable at this stage. The broader question is: what have they and the EU done to be considered allies against China?
This is the tip of the iceberg. The EU, now, is concerned. What if the USA betrays its members, like what they did with France? What about European military industry, if the USA can break a contract between foreign countries? What if competition on military market is not fair anymore, if the USA use dumping as a normal practise, forcing the EU to retaliate or disappear? Both USA and Australia have betrayed an ally. And that is never good. Not only France, but the EU, will look twice before doing anything in the Pacific or against China. Many countries in Asia are concerned, because, from now, China will feel free to supply nuclear submarines to its vassals.
AUKUS is not adversarial at all toward any particular nation but meant to REFLECT the close relationship between UK USA and Australia. Really? You can't just have a nice dinner among the three of you? At least have the balls to come out and say "We don't like China and want to keep them in check." Which is totally fine, but at least be a man about it. What's with all the passive aggressiveness?
"AUKUS" is code for "USUKA" - "You sucker" - aimed directly at the French, with whom yet another contract has (indirectly) been reneged-upon by Britain and/or British-linked alliances.
7:59 Please hold the final text of the "snarky commenter" for a few more frames before jumping on. I love reading them and sometimes have a hard time pausing the video at just the right spot to read it at my leisure (especially on mobile). Keep up the good work.
@@ebonymaw8457 lots of possibilities... dont forget France territory is Guyane (south america), Martinique, Guadeloupe, Reunion, Nouvelle Calédonie, Polynésie,...
@@nathanbond1683 "France is in civil war" this is the best and most accurate geopolitical analysis I've read in 20 years, are you a Harvard professor or something?
Australia handled this rather clumsily in my opinion. Firstly they should have ensured sufficient separation between the AUKUS announcement and the cancellation of the sub contract. Instead they basically humiliated the French on a stage with Boris, who the French love not alot and the president of the USA. Secondly the Australian's do actually need conventional subs. Diesel electric subs are super quiet and can operate in littoral waters around Australia. Nuclear subs cannot. They needed both and should have negotiated with the French for a better deal and kept them onside. Now getting a trade deal with the EU will be much harder. At a time when China is pressing them economically. The pact itself is a good idea but its announcement was ham fisted.
You’re not in full receipt of the published facts. France had been clearly warned about this 24 months ago so the fact that france acts surprised is a political lie
The Australian gov has not been happy with this contract for a while now and has said so on a few different occasions, just back in Feb there were talks between the CEO of naval group and the Australian gov because the french wouldn't commit to 60% locally built like the Australian gov wanted from the start of the contract something the french said would happen in order to win the contract, so this has been coming for a while and the French are just throwing a whine about it because they lost their cow to try and milk for as much as they can.
@@The_Desert_Tiger You are right. In addition to the submarines, the Australians wanted 60% of the work to be done in Australians as specified in the contract, but the French seemed to ignore this. This contract had been in trouble for some time and the French have only themselves to blame. When the Australians found friends that would give them the technology to build their own submarines, they jumped at it. In addition they would be given quantum, artificial intelligence and cyber technology. If the French moan about breaking contracts, the EU stopped the supply of vaccines to Australia. I am sure that the Australians felt stabbed in the back over that, but I cannot remember them having a hissy fit over it.
@@catherinegrimes2308 still for as a small nation like Australia to screw up France wasn't smart France will definitely remember this and the whole eu might keep a few more options open and won't commit to work against china as much
@@simonelagreca9233 Not really, they signed the contract with the off ramp provisions and the Australians are just executing a clause in the contract that they agreed to. If they didn't like it, they should have never signed the contract.
I'm a citizen of both Australia and the US, and I don't like how either has shafted France. So my apologies to the French, even though I certainly didn't vote for ScoMo's party, and Biden wasn't my choice in the primaries, either.
You can tell how much the UK took this seriously. Boris has even had a proper hair cut.
Surely this is top PR for Johnson… let’s wait and see what the cost will be to the UK
THAT was a propper haircut?
@@ferrariasparta 🥳🤣
@Syeem Ahmed Musa what's that pal you regard a child abuser as an ideological role model?? Who abused a 9 year old child, think your skewed zealoted outlook renders your triggered whines as irrelevant these western nations getting ready for the next crusades, hope your ready
Proper for boris maybe
The french were excluded because "Faukus" doesnt have the positive vibe they are looking for
and in french it sounds like faux cul (fake ass = hypocrit)
I prefer AFUKUS
AUSFUK
Include France and Norway = FUKANUS
Lol
Does it mean I'm getting old if hearing a reporter declare "our cultural cringe just tripled" just makes me say whatever.
Yes, but he isn’t wrong. That was pretty cringe.
@@jacobbaumgardner3406 Oh I understand what he said. I just don't think the sorts of errors everyone makes on a regular basis are a super-big deal. But I don't expect them to stop being reported like this.
@@felixthehuman I think you're right, with the exception that these being a regular occurrence is an issue. A few times here or there is one thing, but for it to happen so often isn't good.
@@jacobbaumgardner3406 I'll take early on-set Alzheimer's over trying to overthrow the government any day.
@@jacobbaumgardner3406 Well, that's what happens when you elect someone of retirement age, which both parties seem determined to do.
The subs are actually kind of a distraction from what the deal is actually about. The main part of the deal is Australia building and operating naval resupply and port facilities for the US navy, including their subs, on the mainland. This gives the US another avenue to the south china sea as well as Guam, which has reached the limit of its development. The subs were the payment to Aus that we asked for in return. From the US perspective, Australian nuclear subs are a nice auxilliary force, but more naval infrastructure is absolutely essential if they want to contain China further.
Agree, but it is great for the uk too for all the above and all that money from the subs!
Ignoring the fact that the UK is supplying many of the vital components ..
But yea, sure, it's all about the us... Because the rest of the world doesn't exist right?
Actually China not give any fcking care about this, because already there more countries protest this like Netherland Indonesia,there reaction more worse
@@Whoami691 it's a little short on detail...
@@lavineearvin4506 Sure China doesn't care, that's why they've kicked up a fuss every few weeks about us in Australia cause they are terrified of us.
i love how despite their best and explicit efforts to emphasise these subs were nuclear powered, media outlets still jumped on the opportunity to skew the headlines alluding to nuclear weapons
They do use enriched nuclear fuel, that the us starved Iran for making....
The step between enriched fuel and bombs is extremely easy
i think its a thing that aus have said they wont use nuclear power rite? so its fair to calll out that hypocrisy. but its just the best thing for stealth subs. you cant really shoot em down for it. and lets be fair 5eyes has been a thing for years. it without doubt has made the entire west safer. a new pact within 5eyes nations shouldnt be supprising.....
Well the Australian subs won't have nukes obviously but both the US and UK subs have nuclear weapons.
I am happy about no weapons, but the decision to not go ahead with civil power plants is upsetting. They're our best option to deal with base-load power.
@@charliezz6746 wrong type of subs. What the Australian navy is after are Hunter Killers, not Trident armed "boomers"
The French released a statement directed the UK saying "Your mother was a hamster. Your father smelled of elderberries."
I wish. Really.
Lol
i need to check if it's true. it's kind of plausible with LeDrian
I fart in your general direction.
@@tokenjoy Men of culture, unite!
Anglos snobbing frenchies. A classic.
yep nothing wrong with that
A time honored tradition...
Anglos snobb whole world
@@RealCherry8085 and ?
@@RealCherry8085 Indians hating on Brits because they are jealous
to be fair, Australia's PM is forgettable lol
Hi sprocket shall we forget theAustralian young men tht newzealnders the Canadian and so many countries that made European people’s free
was he the one who shat himself in McDonalds?
@@rayash5666 He's talking about the PM not the country. Try reading. Slowmo is forgettable. He has ties to paedophiles and rapists, walked out and went on holiday when Australia was facing its largest environmental disaster this century. All this from a so-called Born again Christian.
Scotty from Marketing you mean?
@@damonturnbull5903 Can you give me the names of those convicted paedophiles and rapists...
The Five Guys alliance makes the best burgers
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@@BrotherChad does everything still get smashed in them bastard foil cartons?
literally got chips served in one of them bastards and i said keep the cunt.
@@Dockhead Have you swallowed a sewer?
I really hope In and out burger comes to the UK one day lol. Anyway France has the biggest EEZ globally and yeah i think this is a wake up call to Europe to be little more independent from NATO.
@@DavidHoughton17 why does Austriala pulling out of a business deal with France have anything to do with European defence?
They repeated, "no nuclear arms", so many times I assume they are lying.
...well, that usually means they can get refitted any time 🤔
Lol
Yea what do have against ghoul's glowing arms from fallout?
😉
It might be similar to the case of Israel where it's deliberately ambiguous whether they have nuclear weapons or not.
"Les états n'ont pas d'amis, ils n'ont que des intérêts." - Charles de Gaulle
(States don't have friends, they only have interests)
If a cold war ends in mutually assured distruction, MAD, and nuclear winter, Australia had a good chance of surviving as this separate pristine island far down under had it remain neutral. It just threw that away for a few subs without even N-tips. The deal and its hosting USAF makes it a vassal state with no strategic autonomy and fair target in the final show down. Isn't it a high price to pay against another power which has never shown any inclination to invade Australia ?
@SMA Productions Australia never asked France for Nuclear subs (which they could have provided), but for Diesel.
@SMA Productions but that's the thing, the EU/france's interests in the pacific are the exact same as the American/Australian interests. The only problem France has is losing out on 50 billion dollars
France has so many work related problems to much of a socialist state which maybe their problem.
@SMA Productions France knew about this outcome for some months. Relax, they use this as an excuse to ditch the USA.
"Our Man at Work, from the land down under", classic Joe
"Who can it be now?"
😂😂😂
Are they not words to a song from the early 80s from a group called 'Men at work'?
@@rubyslippers103 Oh yes!
Macron refusing to talk to PM Morrison. I really hope that Australia stands its ground and just walks away from the FRench they have the support of their people and the UK people is this right? Anyone who threatens to stop trade between a block and Australia is not a friend of the Aussies.
Biden: "Thank you Boris and that Captain Kangaroo man from down under..." 🤦♂️
timestamp?
Based LMAOO
not kangaroo man-----RAT BAG
So glad he remembered Boris's name
And this guy has a nuclear suitcase 🧳 😱
"Severely damages regional peace."
Ah yes, because YOU China have done such a bang-up job of maintaining that peace yourself.
“Peace through tyranny!”
-Megatron
I know. Just keep building islands in a sea that doesn't belong to you. So transparent!
While I'm against non-democracy, China had not invaded a foreign power since Vietnam in 1979. The Chinese people have pulled their nation from poverty to 2nd world power in 30 years. And remember americas itchiness at other nations power. When Japan looked like it would takeover the US's economy in the 80s/90s very similar rhetoric was present as against China now. I believe the prioritization of power over human lives is the biggest problem, and illegal activities by any country (such as US sanctions on Cuba (considered a war crime) and Chinas island building) should be much more assertively scrutinized and punished, rather than making one side or the other the good or bad guys.
@@petereissing5070 China literally is currently slowly invading Bhutan and India and also salami slicing in South China Sea. Invasion doesn't mean declaration of war anymore. They just keep moving forward inch by inch. Just last year a conflict between the Chinese and Indian troops deep inside Indian territory led to a loss of around 70 soldiers for both sides.
@@petereissing5070 and have had border conflicts with india. And claimed sea borders that are ludicrous
Publicly hummiliating France for sure is a good way forward to make an EU trade deal....
Doubt a deal would have happened due to the US and Europe living in two different worlds, similar to how a UK US deal would be difficult
@@bennett7542 Was more thinking aboug a EU-UK or EU-AUS deal ....
@@NuclearSavety EU-aus is even more impractical than eu-us
@@bennett7542 Isn't US and UK if anything way closer in that area, then the EU and US by comparison?
@@chazer0075 consider, not each trade deal is a full free trade agreement .. there are several EU-US and EU-AUS deals already in place ...
The French outrage is entirely predictable as is the EU’s noises for an independent defence posture. In that sense, AUKUS is a propaganda gift to the EU in the medium to long term. However, China’s growing influence always made it inevitable that the anglophone powers would close ranks at some point, and it is only a matter of time before New Zealand is sucked into this realignment. The geopolitical calculus is inescapable, and as a matter of fact, necessary.
Especially since the EU does not need Australia to have ports in the Pacific, thanks to New Caledonia. it was a very good macron calculation for the European project. And anyway the political project of the pacific are extremely different between the eu and the usa.
keep new zealand out of it, when new zealand refuses to spend anything on its military but a token force and wont let USA ships into there port but demands there help and protection at the same time sucking up to china and refusing to say anything negative about them they can allie with china instead of australia. It might be good after china loses the war we can reclaim new zealand and turn it back into a western country as its not western anymore its socialist
@@tanis634 Do you think Australians have forgotten about French nuclear tests in the pacific? or the New Zealanders forgotten about the rainbow warrior?
No one locally likes the French and so it was an easy decision that no one is complaining about. The last time EU ships (German) came to the Pacific they stopped in Australia......not New Caledonia.
@@タコの王 I don't care, I'm not French. normal that the German eurofighters did not come to new caledonia, since it was precisely a joint eurofight test from australia and rafale from new caledonia to taiwan. Same for the navy.
As for the nuclear tests, 4255 miles from Australia the Americans detonated two nuclear bombs which killed 130,000 civilians. the muruoa nuclear tests are 4700 miles from australia.
Me as a Swiss, what makes me laugh is to see Australia claiming its nuclear toys, when they are unable to produce, maintain and use them. And mock the French who produce them themselves their submarines and their nuclear bombs and who are themselves at the origin of the discovery of radioactivity and nuclear power, with henri beckrel, pierre and marie curie, francis perrin (physicist) and the descendants of the curie prix nobel also. France is the fourth country having received the greatest number of nobel prizes with 73 one of the last is the arn messenger by emmanuelle charpentier who made it possible to invent covid vaccines. australia received 11 prizes nobel in all and for all :)
I would add that your nuclear submarines, nobody is sure that you will receive them, it is enough that the successor of biden changes his mind: D lol but all that you have to be intelligent to understand it ^^
@@タコの王 We are talking about politics and military alliance, do you deny France an important player in the Pacific? It's a strategical mistake to spit on a potential ally, do not be surprised when war with China break out that France will stay out of it and declare it a regional problem that doesn't concern France or Europe.
There are plenty of Australians who try to forget ScoMo's name. So we'll done Biden for achieving that feat.
Haha. Guy has dimentia as the leader of worlds #1 super power, funnny stuff.. Oh wait! That's fucking dengerous and sad!
2 party system failing once again. If US wants to fix their politics they need to fix this problem first.
Australians are loving it. Laughing at Scomo is our national pastime
@@marusis4453 Atleast he hasn't suggested to the American public to drink bleach. Everything is better so far
Isn't his full name scotty from marketing?
In fairness, Australia changes Prime Minister pretty often!
This alliance has me questioning the integrity of our governments, Australia very recently passed a surveillance-like bill in that it allows them to violate personal freedoms without a warrant, potentially frame people for crimes they didn't commit without consequences, among other things.
Scotland very recently has taken to arresting people for stupid remarks on twitter, and both practically trample on freedoms and free speech.
I'm kinda shocked more people aren't talking about this sort of thing.
You'd think Biden would have their names on a sticky notes on his podium lmao.... we certainly will now
@@tomd96 How cute someone who still believes freedom is for everyone.
No, you just don't want to accept you country hired an old man with dementia, anyone who has grandparents or works around seniors knows the movements, gestures and the way Biden carries himself is not the Way a healthy person would behave.
@@tomd96 I have to agree with you on the surveillance bill, it is completely unethical and there’s just no reason for it, but I do think AUKUS is a step in the right direction, we’ve essentially been using the same subs for decades now, the technology could do with an upgrade, plus, France has stabbed us in the back many times, I have no idea why they’re making such a fuss.
Let's be realistic forgetting much of the politicking, the Australians are starting to feel threatened by the growth of the military power in the region, they have decided that the deal with the US is likely to give them stronger support from the USA if China becomes more expansive, the military might of the French is less attractive & seen as less of a deterrent than the USA.
But the USA needs France more than Australia and EU more than UK
@@annabarr1304 The USA needs a firm foothold in the Asia Pacific region more than it neds France
@@annabarr1304 Given the potential issues with China, only 2% GDP trade with France and a US Coast Guard that is the same size as the French Navy, what does France provide that is more important than a more technologically and industrially robust Australia with compatible military infrastructure?
France doesn't have military might - hahahaha...
@@DANINREDDY while the French footprint is small, they have one of the most developed logistic footprints in Europe and maintain global power projection. They don't have the population to take on China, but they're capabilities are real and would have a fighting chance against any similarly sized nation.
I have a strong suspicion that australia won't appear in eurovision ever again.
@@francois-xavieresperance5007 lol You're allies liberated you in WW2 when you couldn't defend yourselves against NAZI's.
It,s the UK BBC that pays for Eurovision.
man the Eurovision is such a shit show these days who cares
That is the most obnoxious dumb show ever to be broadcasted. wtf would anybody want to be on there.
@Yoda Dunbar wtf
France got dumped in the worst way possible
They had a contract, there were points in the contract where the contract could be withdrawn from (for both parties) and so Australia withdrew from the contract. The idea of Diesel subs was dumb from the outset, and we were getting these from the french at a higher price than the french build their own nuclear subs. I'm glad the contract was thrown out.
@@rodneyholland1867 Withdrawing from a contract via a sudden public announcement is nevertheless still poor form. They talked to the French barely days before. They should've let them know in advance.
@@ArawnOfAnnwn The told the company and then they announced it to the public. French Govt should have nothing to do with it.
@@rodneyholland1867France is complaining they didn't get notice while the Aussies said they had registered their grief with the progress so it's your word against mine
I do trust that the Aussies will compensate for the termination in accordance with the clauses in time but it's a serious loss of face for France
Way I see the strategic environment is moving rapidly and the Aussies probably think there is no time to piss about
@@vinniechan I think you are right. The difference is in the framing of whether is is just a business contract, or is it more. There seems to be a wide ranging opinion... As you can probably tell, I don't think this should have been an insult to France generally, but many (including Macron) have interpreted it as such. Thanks for the interesting discussion and thoughts.
The pronunciation of the French fellas names has got to have been a piss take 🤣
i actually prefer them trying to pronounce it the French way. although it's not perfect it'll never be and I rather see it as a sign of respect, plus it's fun.
Has me rolling
I am half French and speak French fluently. His pronunciation was what we in France call "superficiel". It is when British people pronounce French in a way designed to impress other non French speakers but is in fact incorrect. But for us it always raises a smile, and maybe also some cringes :)
I wouldn't have bothered trying so hard to pronounce it, just sounds funny
Ah yes, the old French sport of being giant snobs
That's what makes the anglo-snobbing so much better
Never trust the people who say "you can trust me".
EU really need it’s own army instead of NATO....
Three conclusions: 1. UK sees breaking treaties to harm the EU as a new sport. UK wants enmity.
2. Biden's foreign policy is not so different from Trump's. Trump's selfish view of the world has become the official US view.
3. The EU will work together even more closely and will also cooperate with Russia and China, whether the US likes it or not.
@@heinedietiker4943 So EU says it represents democracy, liberal values, and western values, yet you're saying it will work with China who represents the exact opposite?
@@heinedietiker4943 so basically you are making things up and you are saying Europe represents freedom democracy etc yet they will work with China and Russia who are anti Democratic wow
@@arvinoo5881 he is talking about economic and green, anti-terrorism things...
Imagine a plot twist: EU and China announce defense deal
That's impossible，EU also fear China great again，through the newspapers you will know that。
you want a civil war?
It's possible, many EU countries have strong commercial ties with China.
The German leadership might be short sighted, but they are not that dumb. Nor can I imagine any other EU nation but portugal and greece agreeing to such a bad idea.
extra twist: France will call it FAUK-U
i see someone is flexing their French pronunciation.
it wasn't good lmao
Underrated comment
"Australia will be the first non nuclear armed nation to operate nuclear powered submarines" *cries in brasil* ours will be finished this decade! >.>
I think nuclear power submarines are the least of Brazil’s current issues
@@50Steaks68 😂
@@50Steaks68 Being the target of a Chinese nuclear bomb is a problem we don't have in Brazil, GOOD LUCK! 😂😂😂
@@henriquesales2714 oh no Brasil, you arent going to stay out of WW3! We need you to help teach us dance fighting
@@aidantuckwell9191 Your country doesn't have the military capacity to face Brazil, and thinks it can frighten China, this can only be a joke, any third world country wins yours, even India that is in the middle ages has better weapons than your country.
140 or even 400 million get out clause is cheaper than 90 billion for late and overpriced diesel subs
the exit fees are less than a rounding error on the size of the contract and if AU can so cause they may even get them reduced
Our shared values! Leaving people in the lurch, stabbing them in the back and duplicity. Well enjoy!
welcome to the business world
History is longer than this decision.
You know when we were Allies to France back in the 80's and we had a little problem with Argentina, who of our esteemed and greatest allies do you think it was that sold them exocet missiles? The french, youl forgive me if the loss of a few euros doesnt make me sad when i think of british soldiers that lost their lives directly at the hands of the decisions of French arms companies.
Well that certainly sounds like France all things considered.
Sounds like. The uk or France
7:12 - always good to recognise Jacob Rees-Mogg even without a face!
Lord Jacob Rees-Mogg if you are so kind my dear sir (posh accent)
1:38 wrong logo, that’s abc America. Matt Bevan is from the ABC Australia. The two ABC’s don’t have much in common other than their initials.
Don't worry too much, The ABC is even more of a nest of communists than the American version.
@@dat581 lmao
Nice catch!
Trust the French to get it wrong
@@dat581 literally what are you even fucking talking about. communists? really? i might’ve missed it but I haven’t exactly seen the abc parading about to l’internationale lol
I’ll be pissed too if i loose a contract with that amount of money ngl
Oh France will recoup that lost money in good time. I think Aus will be on the receiving end.
It's not just about money. It's the way the three hypocrits made their deal. Biden is not better than Trump.
They had it coming - just too dumb and arrogant to see it.
They didn't fulfill the contract.
Actually, only 8 billion of the 56 billion euro deal was going to go to the French company. These subs were supposed to be Australian built with the French company providing the design and transferring technology. The bulk of the losses are on the Australian side.
The reason why France is pissed is because the country hoped to build a long term security partnership with Australia. Turns out, France is not even on Australia's radar now.
I was looking forward to seeing Australia on TLDR eventually!
@Soldat ᚦᚬᚩᛅᛄᚢᚠᚻᛈᛉᛋᛏᛒᛖᛗᛠᛢᛣᛥᚸ it’s massive on he global scale what are you talking about
@Soldat ᚦᚬᚩᛅᛄᚢᚠᚻᛈᛉᛋᛏᛒᛖᛗᛠᛢᛣᛥᚸ lol same 3 armys that won ww2. how is it useless
Anglosphere *ASSEMBLE*
Also does Boris Johnson actually just comb his hair with a balloon?
It is bitten into shape by a rabid chimpanzee every morning.
So what percentage of Australia is English and what percentage of the United States is English I don't think too many African Americans would appreciate being called Anglo-Saxons not to mention the Irish Swedish Mexicans Puerto Ricans Koreans Japanese Chinese Spanish French Welch Scottish Italians Romanians poles Russians and native American Indians Indians themselves from the subcontinent and too many others to mention ... Anglo-Saxons!!!!!? Come to think of it not even England is an Anglo-Saxon country.
I just imagine a Vultron of contries assembling
@@anthonymullen6300 The Anglosphere isn't an ethnic thing.
@@anthonymullen6300 Anglo Saxon trickery is well known.
As always there is more in the detail on these issues. The French/Australian sub deal has been in trouble for a long time, with the Aussies having to wait so long for delivery, that the subs will be obsolete by the time they arrive. The Australians had been having second thoughts on this deal for a some time.
In Scotland we are overloaded with English junk, you could remove and upgrade their rusting hulks, Trident could tow them down to the Thames. The Ministry of Attack could remove their dumpsites. We could celebrate with Empire Biscuits!!
@@robertgalloway3771 What does this have to do with French/Australia sub deal ?
Well as soon as the French bumped the price up £90bn over 20 years after the deal was signed it was only right the Aussies changed their mind.
@@robertgalloway3771 hopefully the deluded english=rule britania ha ha will remove their toy subs from scotland and go to usa clienet state australia! their gov. is as bad as ukgov. who been a satrap since early forties !SAOR ALBA
The Australians asked them to be manufactured in australia, and to be retrofited with non nuclear technology.. Had they just ordered the nuclear subs it would have cost 30 billions for 20 subs
Wow, I hadn’t seen that clip of Biden forgetting his name before, and oh god it was hard to watch
lets hope he doesn't mistake the toilet button for the nuke gulp!
Most American media works diligently to edit all his addresses and speeches. They cut out the nonsensical mumblings, the lapse in attention and the forgetting where he is. They even alter his quotes to make it seem like he spoke in cognitive statements
Don’t worry about it, we change PM so often even Australians sometimes forget who it is!
Was it? I wouldn’t have even noticed had people not told me what to look for.
Meh, the guy has a life long stutter, which still shows up now and then. I actually find the media highlighting it kinda revolting, but we all know how the right tends to feel about things like disability and image.
I couldn't remember the AU premier's name either. My guess was Howard. He has the face of someone called Howard.
[packs bowling balls.]
*Prime minister. Current chap is Scott Morrison. John Howard was PM around the turn of the millennia.
Prime Minister. Premiers are the state-level equivalent.
And yes, we did have a Prime Minister with the name Howard. John Howard was PM for eleven years before getting voted out in 2007.
@@baneofwolves9767 Lets not go too far, the most you can honestly say is that he was an Australian Prime Minister
This is gonna push France away from the US and make the EU "closer". Perhaps we'll see an EU Army someday.
The Eurocorps already exist, as a cooperation officer's corp. And the defensive border army is already in place, namely Frontex (which claims to only be there for migration controls, but has anti tank weapons and armored vehicles already)
Only further step would be the creation of a rapid deployment group, that is an army with the actual authority to operate without member state authorization. But that's likely to get vetoed for a long time because it would give the EU the power to pull its member states into war without permission, and that's a big nono for almost everyone outside of germany, belgium and netherlands (the ones pushing for it)
i think we are kinda forced to ''unite'' the eu more and more if we dont wanna be lapdogs to the u.s or china or have russia pick of the eastern blocks one by one
@@kurlzzfjartson6424 for a truly United Europe. Poland and Hungary needs some serious changes. They are basically pseudo fascist countries.
I think US UK AU would prefer that, Anglo's and Europeans on a more even level as allies
It won't, the French are just kicking up a fuss but they won't turn their back on America.
As a European I can understand Australia given the slow progress and apparently rising costs with the current sub deal. (from what ive gathered) But I also approve move for greater european strategic autonomy.
There is no viable European defence community without the UK .
Germany,Italy and France cannot agree .Italy and France even supported rival sides in the Libyan civil war post 2011.
As an Australian, I agree with you. Europe should be self sufficient militarily as well as economically. A peaceful, secure and prosperous Europe is a very good thing for the whole world as well as the people of Europe.
I think the EU will move to that.
I think the EU was always on that path.
I think the UK never wanted to be a part of that and hence Brexit.
If what the EU was about had been more openly discussed by UK Governments of the past then we would not have been in for so long and I think that would have been better for everybody.
that will not include Australia (thank Christ) Europe needs to stay in Europe...
@@Rainonasphalt The Europeans should adopt the Russian approach. Realising that the could not match the US and NATO in every aspect, they decided on an asymmetric response to the perceived threat. They carefully chose a few areas which could excel and which would deter any attack. This is why Putin has said the Russian armed forces are ‘stronger than any aggressor’. It’s not a claim to absolute superiority but a claim to be able to successfully defend Russian territory. If Russia can afford to do that, so can the European Union. It would be good if they did so because it would remove the perception that they are simply freeloading on the American military and make Europe more independent.
We should be careful on money useage,if you are not spending to earn back,then stop spending.Apparently my view on the solution is to venture into business .
True ! Even some rich men made it through investing there money in something doing and they made it.
I do real estate,stock market ,forest trade and cryptosystem.
The right chioce of an investment has always been a big problem for me I know picking a wrong investment will leave a big scar in the future
There might be many investments out there but if profit must be considered,which is the actual sole of investment, I will advice you to go into bitcoin trading because it has higher profit than most investment.
Of course it is profitable,I made good profit of $20,000 with the capital of $4500 in my last trading I have made over $200,000.
I’ve been watching Vigil and I’m pretty sure I know enough to build my own nuclear powered submarine. If Hertfordshire doesn’t exist next week things didn’t go to plan.
Please be careful with Hertfordshire, I rather like it.
@@catherineterrie2292 It's my second favourite county...
Edit: Well, now, hello debate. That's good! But don't take random commenters' words for things (that includes me), do a little bit of researching for yourself! (preferably just straight fact-reporting basic news sources (with no imprinted bias) so that you can form your own speculations on events!)
Here's the general timeline:
Some years ago - Australia asks for French submarines, France offers nuclear submarines, but Australia wants diesel (requiring significant redesign, and expense to Australian people)
Keep in mind, the Australian PM has a history of going back on promises (how he came to power)
18 months ago - negotiations on AUKUS
Recently - France and Australia congratulate each other on their cooperation
Now - Australia, the UK, and US, exchange nuclear (not diesel) submarines in the new pact
People criticise France for its nuclear tests in the Pacific, when the US made much bigger tests in the Pacific, and the UK and Australia dropped bombs in the outback too (all bad).
None of this was democratic, and the media in Australia may seem positive, but Australia has the lowest media diversity in the developed world and legalised bribery ("political donations").
the EU will have to stand alone since the US, Austrlia are backstabbing pathological liars...
"lowest media diversity"? Is that referring to the spectrum of political opinions represented in news networks?
Also political donations are a thing in pretty much any country that has political parties or candidates. (That isn't me endorsing them, for the record - merely stating how widespread they are.)
@@psych0536 We wouldn't, but the Australian government did (in extreme secrecy) from 1952 to '57 in Maralinga, Emu Field (SA), and the Montebello Islands (WA).
I'm sorry, why are they "all bad"? Also apart for the economic aspect of france losing out on 50 billion dollars, I don't see how this has any military or political implication, because Australia, the UK and the US are still their allies.
You do know that France was offering diesel powered submarines not nuclear powered
Helping allies and sharing technology: disturbing regional peace
Massively expanding your own navy and trying to become the largest navy in the world: Perfectly ok, it's not an arms race
Except that, up until now, the Non-proliferation treaty on nuclear arms was interpreted as not allowing the sharing of any kind of military-grade nuclear technology, including reactors for nuclear submarines. That is the reason why Australia is the first country without nukes to get nuclear submarines.
For additional reference, Brazil is currently trying to get its own nuclear submarines with the help of France, but said help will not be on how to build the nuclear reactor, but only on how to integrate it into a submarine.
@@exodud5016 The 'non-proliferation treaty' did fuck all when India and Pakistan created a nuclear weapon arsenals.
@@davetdowell India and Pakistand haven't actually signed the nuclear non-proliferation treaty
@@exodud5016 I understand that, but nuclear powered submarines are at least much better than actual nuclear weapons.
The bigger point I'm trying to say is that it is very hypocritical of China to say this is disturbing regonal peace, when they are massively expanding their navy, which is worse than this.
@@sionsmedia8249 Oh yes, it's definitely worse, but because of the US' move now China and more importantly Russia have free reign over selling their own nuclear submarines to whatever allies they see fit (and France too).
My point is that China doing worse does not mean the US ain't doing sht
china should just do what the Soviets did when nato was formed.
Soviets: whatcha doing there comrade?
nato: forming a military alliance
Soviet: against me?
nato: no no, we would never. this is just for the security of europe
Soviet: we're in europe, we want europe to be secure. can we join?
nato: ... okay it is against you.
Soviets: that's what I thought.
EU Army > NATO.
Also 🇷🇺 > amerika
They are a few days ago they asked to join the Korea, Aussie, Korean free trade group. The same group set up to fight the Chinese trade war.
@@Heath.houston if u didn't eat so many burger you wouldn't need to gasp lmfao muh dude
"I wanna thank that fella down under right there. Thank you, buddy."
-idk some guy
wait the president said that?
Shame the pact is being pronounced "Aw-kus". It's remarkably close sounding to Orcus - a Roman god of the underworld and "Punisher of Broken Oaths". ;-)
That’s brilliant. Orcus is also an evil D&D god.
That too. :-)
Nothing is by " coincidence " in this world!
Nah most things are actually.
Only a person with a double barrell surname would come up with that ... nice food for thought though...😉👍
I wanted to see a deeper analysis and little deeper reasoning then surface report of the news
Yeah this video is disappointing
This video was an overview, it wasn't made to explain it in detail.
they wrote it as the news surfaced. Relax
some history on the French deal would be nice
I'm fine with Chinese outrage I am concerned with French outrage.
why? France has become irrelevant, much like the rest of Western Europe.
@@soulflame799 France on its own might be somewhat irrelevant compared to China or the US alone but that pushes the creation of an army for Europe. If this were ever to happen, Europe would be among the greatest military power of the world. Moreover, it greatly damages NATO which was already at sake in an extremely tense climate. It might even push Europe to create closer bounds with China and Russia whilst the US and the UK isolate themselves.
@@antoinesimon6126 Let's hope a unified European army will work better then the Economical Union has so far.
I'm Belgian and our army "modernized" some of it's smaller armed vehicles that were getting old. So they got fitted with all the mdern digital tech and now the cabin of the driver's seat is so narrow only the small soldiers fit in it.
Oh, and maybe Europe should stop bashing on the Eastern European countries, how abou that?
I agree with closer bonds with Russia, there used to be a time where pre-soviet Russia was closer to Europe, also through the monarchies. But Europe, with it's fake "European standards" has been too critical against Russia and that's stupid because Russia is European as well.
I also don't see how AUKUS isolates itself? The common wealth is larger then Europe.
@@soulflame799 Maybe because Russia fucking makes so much effort to misinform europeans citizen and create chaos...
@@mr.meeseeks3074 I'm Belgian, and what I said about the Belgian army is what our military themselves are complaining about. It has NOTHING to do with the Russians, but EVERYTHING to do with the Belgian gov saving on military expenses already for decades which leads to a degraded, less performant army.
But it's always easier to point the finger at the Russians, of course.
A good video, but a correction: Matt Bevan is from the Australian Broadcasting Corportation, not (as shown in the video) the American Broadcasting Company.
If france was included,would the alliance be called FAUKUSA😂😂
FRAUKSA
Or FAUKUS
Au cul is bad enough and very descriptive of where Anglo Saxon have their brains.
@@usazach9796 yes, you can read that *FAUK* *US* 😝
Funny 😆
Bear in mind that it will be a decade before the first fleet unit is delivered - and much longer to acquire the whole fleet. There is thus less to this than meets the eye.
A decade of co-operation and infrastructure building may be the point. From a demographics perspective, there are two good reasons to have a larger presence in Australia's corner of the world. First is the demographic squeeze an aging population will put on China, which could make the politics more hazardous. Second, is the transition of Europe to a post growth demographics like Japan, which means southeast Asia will be a far better market for U.S. goods.
Well, it could be less than a decade if the UK or the US (I am French) accept to sell or lease two or three units to Australia. But for what concerns the nuclear submarines built in Australia, the first sea trials will not take place before at least 20 years. Switching to nuclear propulsion is opening the door to a completely different world. You need 10,000 highly qualified specialists to assemble 1,000,000 structural steel components, install 20 km of piping, 150 km of electric cables and more than 70,000 systems in a relatively tiny space, all this around a nuclear power plant. Australia will not acquire this capacity within a ten years delay ; I do not intend to be contemptuous vis-a-vis our Australian friends, it is just that it is impossible. And then it will require new urgent developments for their surface fleet. They will need high tech ASM capacities to train their subs and to deter the potential adversaries from probing the coastal defenses (their bases will suddenly become potential targets). Obviously, they will also need high tech minesweeping technology ; you really don't want a nuclear sub to get blown off at the entrance of an Australian base, it would not look good. And finally they are going to recruit a lot of submariners. You need 2 crews per ship, 8 ships will therefore require between 1,600 and 2,000 submariners, two third of them being highly qualified. All this is feasible but they have yet to measure the efforts required. In reality, the chance that they end up spending the equivalent of five times the budget allotted to the Diesel project is real. This being said, I agree that nuclear powered subs do make sense, because of the distances to patrol and because of the emerging threats.
Not at all. You need to look at the details. Australia can now count itself safe.
@@jefelder8183 All the investment may be a feature of the deal not a bug. The French navy, while formidable and world wide deployable, is roughly the same as the U.S. Coast Guard and is unlikely to deploy to defend Australia as its first impulse should things become lively with China. A 20 plus year investment program under the umbrella of the U.S. military in Australia may be a more comforting safety blanket than the roughly 3500 personnel France has deployed in the region.
@@jefelder8183 : Absolutely correct although I am looking at slightly different figures. They are however of the same order of magnitude.
The French are mad because the Australians specifically wanted a non-nuclear version of a French nuclear submarine. That is also why it was so expensive as the current French submarines cost only 1bn euros each. It's another question whether France would have sold them to Australia. There are also advantages to modern AIP non-nuclear subs: They are much quieter, can operate in shallow waters and are better at fighting ASW systems. I understand that this is less relevant to Australia though.
There is also a reason only nuclear powers have so far obtained nuclear powered subs. The core is usually highly enriched uranium and the nuclear waste can be used in nuclear bombs. So I am interested in whether the US will care about proliferation or are they just going to trust Australia to do whatever they like with it.
Australia does in theory have the capacity to produce nuclear armarments since it still has the research from the UKs Nuclear tests in Australia. further more an Australian company claimed to have cracked laser based uranium enrichment and 'chose' to censure its own technology due to fear that a laser enrichment facility would be much harder to detect than a conventional facility thus threatening nuclear non proliferation. Ontop of that is the large deposits of uranium in Australia making it potentially possible to produce with no outside connections.
@@phinix250 I am sure of that. It is now a 70 years old technology. Probably all OECD countries and many others could do that.
That's complete bulls#!t. Nuclear subs are faster, can go farther, are more stealthy, & can stay submerged for years. Australia jumped at the chance to possess nuclear submarine technology, & that's why they scrapped the overpriced deal with France.
@@grantsapain they are faster and have greater range, but they are not necessarily stealthier. AIP submarines are stealthier and also only have to surface once a month.
@@tobiwan001 Not true. Electric/diesel subs are only quieter while running on electric mode only, but must surface to recharge the batteries, & are louder while running on deisel mode. Nuclear subs can stay submerged for YEARS, are much faster, & can travel much farther...
Xi has had China running an arms race for several years...with a major new warship being built every year. Australia's response to a powerful customer who is becoming increasingly more demanding ...to be fair...took its sweet time.
I mean, well that's something isn't it the britsh pissing off the French since time began 🤣🤣
LOL .
That's what the French are for
But now french have the power to decide how much goods appear on UK supermarket shelves and they are not alone.
@@LagartoPT We can honestly live without. I promise you;) Pauvre, petite France.
@@LagartoPT That's power is reducing as the UK looks elsewhere for goods plus the other EU members will not be happy to loose trade.I realise that the French have always seen the EU as an extension of French power but the reality is the Germans are the real driving force behind the EU.
You would think that NATO members would inform each other of things like this before announcing these things
Wouldn't the burden to devloge this information be upon Australia? Who is the one switching partners?
@@Ameriguy99 maybe it ties the uk in cause AU is Queensland still technically isn't it?
@@Dockhead well the UK and AU are already allies because of the Commonwealth agreement....but yes the The Queen of the UK is indeed the Queen of Australia as well
I thought France wasn't it nato...
@@mrlegkick91 ahhh I forget all about that...fair point
youre not the first victim of this France, happened to the UK when they agreed to sell wildcat helicopters to korea but switch to the US version after some political pressure last minute
Was it a 50 Billions dollars type of deal? Probably not, but of course you are not wrong, the US can fuck the UK, that's the beauty of power.
France literally did this to Japan with this very deal yesrs ago. So France has no room to complain
@@stephenjenkins7971 No, what are you on about? The Germans, the French and the Japanese presented their submarine for Australian consideration, and the Aussies chose the French model which they deemed to be the best, they said so themselves! That's not what happenned with Aukas, Aukas has nothing to do with competing technologies (the French also have excellent nuclear powered submarines), it has everything to do with geopolitics.
what political pressure, if france had completed 2 subs by now which they could of there would not be any problem. if america can build 2 -3 subs a year , france should be able to build 1 per year which they cant do.
@@stephenjenkins7971 The only contract France breached was with russians and because of the U-S/ Hollande.
I fail to see why France is so surprised. The Australian Military got an unexpected chance to buy a far superior product. Name one Military in the world that would not have jumped at the chance.
Sure except this means down under will get first sub 15 years later at least. A lot cna and willl change until then
Fake outrage. The French were totally ripping us off with an expensive and worthless product and they knew it. The deal was made originally for inane domestic political reasons. We are so glad to be out of the French deal, even if we lose a lot of the money.
Just for the laugh, the USN actually consider the French submarines to be some of the best in the world, on par with their own, and the French navy has been rewarded as the best anti submarines warfare navy by the USN (and guys what they train against ? You're right, the French subs that are super difficult to detect... XD )
But funnily enough, most of the anglo speaking internet seems to ignore this because they don't read the news that don't speak ill of the French ;)
Hope you enjoy the 400 billions contract for 5 submarines delivered in 2040 @Lungdog
The french didn’t care about Australia’s defence, they just cared about their own profits and pride.
Their delays, products faults and cost overruns are the reason why they lost the job.
Keep in mind, Australia wanted the French Nuclear Sub design but changed to be a conventional diesal design. In addition to other changes made a long the way.
@@Elitrian And the French could have walked away at that point but they said they could do it to win the contract and beat out Japan.
The Australian tender was for a diesel sub, not a nuclear sub.
The French diesel sub was a nuclear sub redesigned into diesel version to suit the Australian needs.
It was not a simple deal between Australia and France, it was an alliance between the 2 countries, and France had to share it's know-how, technologies, and build facilities in Australia, make jobs there, and teach a new generation of Australian sailors how to use the new subs, so that Australia would be able to build it's own future generation of submarine, independantly.
i kind of blame turmbull for that. in the END australia could of just made collins 2 for all the money they wasted. they refused that because they called it high risk but the french option was even far higher risk as well. The french sub wasnt much better
I think France is noticing that a strengthening of alliances outside of the EU within the Anglosphere and macron does not seem amused by this.
This division has seemed to become more clear as the EU and the anglosphere are increasingly having different priorities regarding China. Countries such as Australia and other pacific nations seem to be much more at risk of possible Chinese military aggression than Europe so countries within the pacific are naturally preparing for the worst
Also, since 2016, the EU has been generally hostile towards the UK - so this move (and others) is to be expected.
@@Alan_Mac lmao what a way to revise history there
@@alizaidi2893 Oh? Which part would you particularly highlight?
@@Alan_Mac UK is angry at the EU and wants to leave.
EU let's UK leave, withdrawal agreement agreed and signed by both parties
EU starts treating the UK as a non member state and expects it to hold up to their side of the "oven ready deal "
Random youtuber who has absolutely no idea what he's talking about: eU aCtInG sO hOsTiLe....
@@alizaidi2893 Wow - you've certainly taken the EU shilling!
Hard to believe the amount of discussion this has caused around the world.
Its cold war 2.0. That was the moment last year in September. Look at the world today and see what's going on in Europe. Going back and looking at these old comments shows how stupid people are.
As an Australian I can confirm that we were indeed dogs on this one...
Totally agree - 90% of the screw-ups on this procurement project have been by us..... They tell us now that it will all will run smoothly with the UK and USA!!! Not holding my breadth. Fingers crossed tho.
France offers Australia a crappy deal but gets mad when Australia goes for something better? 😂
I think they're more annoyed that they got no warning and only found out through the news. Plus, I don't really get what you mean by 'crappy deal'. French submarines are the among best in the world, and they can build nuclear submarines too. The only reason they were selling us conventional subs is because we ordered conventional subs.
Crappy subs? France is basically the best you can buy. There are very few manufacturers of this type of equipment and aside from Russia and China, most of them are in the US, France, Germany, Japan, UK, Italy, Korea.
I never thought I’d be bringing up Trump 🥲 but at least he tried (hilariously) with peoples names haha “TIM APPLE”
Little pimp aswell
Marillyn Lockheed
I still chuckle at that "Thank you Tim Apple!" Clip.
international agreements prohibited France from supplying nuclear submarines to countries outside the nuclear powers, in order to avoid nuclear proliferation. The submarines planned for Australia respected these agreements, and the contract with France also respected a technology transfer so that Australia could master its weapons.
Actually untrue, as France use LEU for its propulsion system, which is not weapon grade uranium, contrary to the US and UK designs, which would be in violation of the non proliferation's treaties.
France actually offered to convert the design to nuclear (it is originally the French nuclear design modified for diesel propulsion, as per Australia request in the tender) but Australia refused each time.
You've confused the logo of the American ABC News and the Australian ABC News.
Disappointed that non of the reasons for why this is a humiliation for France were mentioned...
- Australia making France develope a diesel version of its nuclear submarines
- buying American nuclear submarines instead of french while breaking the contract and not offering an alternative
- the exclusion of a Pacific alliance while demanding European commitment to the region
This is an utter mess for cross Atlantic relations.
Lol
China: how about you sell your submarines to us ? France: Qui!
Other way around more like. Then you can default on the loan, and China can take the Eiffel Tower!
French subs come pre installed with a white flag
*Oui
@@iCozzh God it's so sad that the entire french military history of domination was wiped away by a single blitzkrieig lul
@PatchesRips what?
Dunkirk was an evacuation, with a very bravely fought rearguard action by the French army.
Australia has been complaining about the subs for sometime, plus the fact that from what I can tell the current government was unhappy about the decision made by a previous government as being wrong for sometime. From what i have viewed from the military channels over the past year or so Australia was not very pleased with the progress being made relating to the design and build of the subs. France is angry for losing such a large prestigious contract, so would I be, though I assume that payments will be made by Australia, but I am surprised that they were not ready for this as they must have been reading the signs coming out of Australia. I think what hit them was the USA/UK assistance for nuclear powered submarines. From memory these days the UK users their own design of nuclear power for their submarines and naval ships.
We're angry because they break the trust given by them to us, not only about the money. What's this manner to deal with his allies ?
there's an element of rudeness involved too since Australia gave France neither the opportunity to improve the deal nor advance information that they'd be scrapping it (guess they know how Australian citizens feel regarding the latter)
@@mayoite160 We asked them if they wanted nuclear submarine.
@@Klliansimabras then it's an even bigger breach of trust by scotty
This isn't just about the contract, this is about geopolitics. Those submarines are just symbolic, and it's not like France's arms industries will get into major trouble for losing the order. What the French are upset enough about to start recalling ambassadors is that rather than presenting a united front to the rising military threat posed by the PRC, Britain and the US (and Australia to a lesser extent) are abrogating their responsibilities to the wider Western world and retreating to their own little clique, thus leaving France, as the third most powerful Western military, to pick up the pieces. All of this with little to no prior notice, and seemingly no thought given to how the formation of this agreement threatens established alliance systems like NATO.
The AUKUS deal made truly me understand how stupid New Zealand's Nuclear-Free policy is. I wish my country would wake up and realize the enemy at the gates.
i get where they are coming from, but i think nuclear power has another 20 yrs in development before it is 'safe' enough to sell to nz public. then they can say "nuclear powered - ok, nuclear weapons - no"
Why they get a free ride and look so responsible
Do you guys still have an armed forces last I heard your frigates were getting turned into fishing vessels and no more fighter jets?
Aukus Pocus, It’s like magic
Hopefully the world doesn't just ends like that "Aukus Pocus" the world is now Fucked-ocus.
Surely you meant "Aukus Porkus". ;-)
Of course it's intended to be adversarial against China. And rightly so. They're the primary adversary in the region. Boris is just papering over the obvious with polite speech.
So scary how ignorant people are to the threat of China, its like watching a fog in water with the heat slowing increasing.
Tell me again, which countries have been involved in overseas invasions and interventions into other nations in the last 40 years with armed forces to overthrow governments, and which haven't? Let's see, bingo for US, UK, and AUS, and nil for China. Yes, such a threat, they want to trade with everyone, which war isn't good for.
@@alexm8047 this lol
@@Gustav_Kurigajust trade my arse. They have a system that exploits economic and trade systems of other nations as they had severely depreciated their own currency in the 2000s. They use other nations as dumping grounds to destroy their local industries...secondly, china has threat most of it's neighbors with either expansionary claims and sometimes outright threat with war. To japan, taiwan, india and as such.
@@harshjain3122 Considering the US outright freezes country's monetary assets and sets up sanctions that make the common people starve while doing almost nothing to the actual government... sure bud. Keep buying the depreciation story. And FYI, most countries have some sort of territorial disputes. The fact that you've been led to believe this is in any way exceptional shows how much of the kool-aid you're drinking.
Good french pronunciation of their names, very respectful.
Well...
Are you also French?
The subtitles did not recognize the name of Le Drian and "President Macronne" 😅
The EU does need military autonomy.
It's more and more clear that we'll have to defend ourselves in the future and we'll have to stick together.
defend yourselves from who? all you lot do is kill each other let alone anyone else having a try , ok sfe russia is a problem but apart from them, who? a country in the European continent i bet
@@MegaBYSON you need to read more
please increase your defence spending you may end up hitting the target you all agreed to for NATO but failed to live up to
@@MegaBYSON Russia is not a problem anymore as they now control the EU's gas supply
The worse part is not the deal, its the fact that the alliance and stakes were kept secret from their EU allies. Especially France that has lots of territories around Australia. You do that to enemies, not allies, and the EU should respond as such!
There had been a number of leaks in the past to the Chinese that had come from the EU. It cannot be trusted because too many of its members are stooges of Beijing. French territory around Australia are just a collection of islands and mean nothing to in the big picture of things. Australia is part of the Commonwealth and the Anglosphere. France has no clout there. The UK is its best friend which is why a million Brits live there and two out of its last five Prime Ministers were born in the UK.
It’s not the same but I would like to remind everyone France, and to be fair some other smaller countries had no problem selling out and making under the table deal for Quatari investment in exchange for World Cup votes. France and other nations have also had no problem turning a blind eye at the reported human rights violations and hundreds of deaths while building the stadium for it because they got millions in investment. So tough luck France when other nations make under the table deals worth billions leaving you out.
sure. because the olympics Of 2012 were attributed in the most transparent of ways ?...or the ones in salt lake city a few years prior?...
there is a differences in being aggressive in securing a contract (and everyone does that, especially the US of the UK, and not respecting a signed contract, not having the decency to inform your partner that it is suspended, and then like bozo johnston giving moral lessons when the French are rightfull expressing their shock.
the thing is that Boris had to deal with Europe and the French for its brexit deal afterwards and he paid very dearly for that slap in the face. and ever since the submarines in Australia have faced delays over delays and the OZ realize it was maybe not such a smart move anyway.
never a good idea to not respect a contract and behave in such a shitty attitude
I don't care about Biden forgetting the Australian PM's name, you can just say "Prime Minister".
What seems VERY unprofessional is calling our countries leader "Boris" at a live conference... what the hell.
I despise Boris, but god damn, he just introduced you as "Mr President".
Almost like Biden's somehow less suited to the Presidency than the bull he was elected to push out of the china shop. More news tonight at ten.
It suits Boris to be called as such though, it plays into his public persona when Biden shouldn't be enabling his PR strategy, Boris could have corrected him.
Johnson called president Trump, "Donald" during a nato meeting. It literally doesnt matter
France's Ambassador forgot to mention : submarines deal for diesel (not nuclear) propulsion, explosion of costs(expensive), 8 months late deliveries...
On the opposite the US offered cooperation in cyberdefense and technology transfer (for nuclear propulsion that french kept for themselves).
France didn't have a better offer than that of other countries like US and Russia, or even China...
I read months ago that the price of the subs from France had approximately tripled since the contract was signed, and the process was paused to analyse this. I'm not hearing much of that now, for some reason.
AFAIK that was because Australia requested all kind of modifications, repeatedly.
Because it was due to changing views in Australia. Had they demanded Nuclear subs in the first place it would have been A LOT cheaper. Now they had to figure out modifications etc on the spot.
I often wonder how much of everything Macron does is really about trying to balance domestic politics and stay ahead of Le Pen.
There is a new face in our extreme right landscape. Macron vs Lepen would end up in a reelection of Macron, she is actually his best ally. However this new face, named Eric Zemmour with already 10% in the polls without having declared that he is running. He's very cultured, knows in great detail history and he doesn't like immigration especially from muslim countries, the EU as well as the imperialist side of the US. He is very similar to De Gaulle. I personally believe in him since he's by far the most honest and cultured of the major candidates.
The same as Biden trying to get over Republicans or BJ over the Labour. Nothing more nothing less.
@@noticxever9317 De Gaulle's France was a France who was on the front stage of the world geopolitics, having a dying but still existing colonial empire. It was a France that was in denial about still being an essential player in the world, in denial its ability to stand alone. It was a France that was living its last moments as a main world power, and was delusional about it.
And it's definitely not today's France. Zemmour's ideals are a relic of the past, good for delusional nostalgics who still have wet dreams about a "Strong France" who can stand on equal grounds with USA and China, without needing EU. They are good for hypocrite people who believe that there are "too many muslims and immigrants in France", even though they live themselves in environments where they barely meet any in their everyday life. They are good for people who want to drag us down to the same sorry state as UK is currently in.
Zemmour may be cultured but he's certainly not honest, and he doesn't even know how to look for correct stats. We don't need him.
@@haidouk872 sorry state the UK is in? Mate, you haven't been in a longtime or something? A simple visit of Paris vs London tell us everything there is to know, the UK remains a fantastic place to live and work -- didnt go in a black hole. I don't like zemmour but I hate people who think france, or any country, are "too small" to exist. So what if you are not a super power colonizing some remote country? If the UK or France, both ranking amongst top 10 economies in the world with nuclear detterence, can't stand on their own two feet without a bunch of bureaucrats in brussels, all the other 170 countries in the world might as well just give up and commit mass suicide. Ridiculously dramatic.
@@seefortyoneuk5285 UK is needing the US and France is needing the EU to have a say on the global stage. The USA is stronger than the EU but UK has to follow the US lead, the EU is needing to improve on some topics to be a true super power ( e.g. about defense) but France has a say in the EU decisions. Two different choices for 2 very comparable countries in size and (mid) power.
7:12 - this seems to be a brilliant sting at Jacob Rees Moog, but I might be mistaken...
Thought as much. 😎
Not really a sting, he was in that chamber for 9 hours. I think anyone's back would hurt
French speaking here. This pact and especially the abandon of the contracts by Australia for USA is indeed seen as a betrayal here by most of those who follow geopolitics. Money is not really the issue, it's mostly the diplomatic humiliation that it inflicts us.
But on the other hand, even if this very case is mostly about our french interest, it should serve as a new strong sign for EU countries that it's about time that we stop following USA and assert our own european interests, militarily and diplomatically, independantly of them. Between this smaller scale backstab against an ally, USA letting a NATO member agressing another NATO member from EU, the diplomatic incoherences under Trump era, and the bigger scale disasters in Iraq and Afghanistan, to name a few, I believe it has become clear nowadays that it's not in our interests to keep backing the policies of USA.
USA, like all countries, act mostly for its interest, and one of the current most important american stances is the animosity with China for colliding interests in the Pacific. But the american control over the Pacific means nothing to us Europeans, we have nothing to gain from it, and we'll even suffer from it if we get dragged down in a conflict there because of USA. It doesn't matter to us whether USA or China is the main power, aside from the fact that we're old friends, they're equally foreign to us.
It makes sense for Australia to adopt a clear stance a side with USA and I'm not even mad at them for prioritizing USA over us, because their interests are in this pacific region. However it makes no sense for us Europeans to remain dependant on NATO (meaning, being de facto dependant on USA), and get dragged in implicitly anti-China alliances. The USA have showed us once again that they're ready to backstab us if it's in their interest. They may be our friends but no longer our allies, or atleast they should no longer be. We must finally become completely independant, cold war is over.
And if UK wanna get dragged along USA because they have isolated themselves from their closest partner (EU), too bad for them.
You truly believe China can be trusted to be the world power? The USA is far from perfect but I know which government I'd rather live under.
@@timsyoutube6051 China obviously can't be trusted, but neither can USA.
And yeah, as much as I don't like american democracy, I'd prefer living in USA than China. However, this is no longer Cold War, this is no longer about spreading values and lifestyles, 21st century is just about economical and diplomatic interests. China is no longer trying to spread their government model, they just pursue their own interests, and so do USA, and so should we Europeans.
German here. I agree with most of your points.
To me, that whole development is a clear sign that should encourage us to coorperate more within the EU. It's not the first sign though. Merkel being spied on by the five eyes intelligence agencies (US,UK,AUS,NZ,CAN) was another one.
We need to restructure our armies and our military industry in a way that ensures EU autarky. We just can't rely on anyone else anymore. We should encourage EU divisions, projects like Eurofighter and we should also "synrchronize" our foreign policy more often. Coordination between police and intelligence agencies within the EU is also still miserable.
I gotta say though. I still feel connected to US, UK & Aussie culture. So I hope that we will keep a rather friendly stance with them. However, Im very fine with restricting these relations to tourism, science, student exchanges and trade.
@@haidouk872 That's pretty naive. If China only cares about economy why is it so worried about Australia getting submarines? If its no longer cold War they shouldn't have cared one bit about Australia's military.
@@timsyoutube6051 They are worried because Australia has taken a clear allied stance with USA. And USA and China policies have been increasingly aggressive toward each other for influence over the pacific. Australia getting new American submarine effectively means USA making an aggressive military move in the region. Of course they'd be worried
Oh yeah. Biden said “ our closest allies “ but didn’t remember the Australian prime minister’s name
😅🤣
I if Biden knows where Australia is, most Americans think Australians are British
@@kristJ25 where are you from. Don’t think that at all. Can tell an Aussie a mile away.
The US Australia relationship is not based on the personalities of the leaders. It is based on shared interests.
Remembering the current Australian Prime Ministers name or not is trivial. Biden knew he was in a video hookup with the Australian PM and showed warmth. Anyone can forget a name, especially as one gets older. It only starts to become a worry if they are doing it all the time.
@@kristJ25 And they technically are British, same way with New Zealander.
Honestly if Boris is saying it, it's gonna be a lie.
So just a typical politician then.
@@TomGB-81 I would accept that if it were anyone else. You know as well as me that Boris has lied more than 15 politicians do in their life.
When China started bullying Australia, France and France alone called it out. The then-US President was completely MIA. Australians have not forgotten the welcome and lone show of solidarity from France. It is thus unfortunate in the extreme that the forced but necessary change of strategic thinking has been handled so clumsily and humiliated our French friends in this way.😔😔
And France is a neighbor as well. You can forget any kind of cooperation in near future (certainty not as long as Morrison remains in power). And the kiwis are pissed as well about the nuclear propulsion.
The PM move was so short slighted.
@@allandnothing5338 I feel sorry for the kiwis
@@DANINREDDY Maybe the Kiwis should stop cozying up to the CCP. They are supposed to be members of the Five Eyes alliance after all. Trudeau and Ardern spend their time being buddies with China then cry foul when left out of military matters.
It is a total fantasy to think France is powerful enough in the Indo Pacific to back up Australia without the US against CHINA.
The only answer to China is the USA
@@DANINREDDY They are happy as a client state to China, I don't remotely pity them at all
Not just France and China, even some of the ASEAN nations eg. Indonesia and Malaysia are openly sounding their displeasure saying such move as fueling the arm race in region.
Lol and they have no problem china adding 10 weapons to her arsenal every year
Well the US can pretty much nuke everyone to wipe human species off this planet at any moment. They the real thug lord. Don't mess with them
I do hope that we all remember that we are America’s first ally. Just because of this mishap, we shouldn’t break the peace. Remember our common enemies.
But being spat in the face and ignored is not to be accepted blindly especially from the called allies.
Who are France's enemies?
@@silenciothequiet3471 you have several of them currently on trial in France.
Exactly. It’s China
@@sailor67duilio27 Who and what are you referring to?
The Empire Strikes Back!
The Empire was over long time ago
@@lucadesanctis563 Canzuk is well underway reforming, within 10 years it will be a up and running.
China’s reaction is hilariously tone deaf and shows the need for this partnership
1:20 that incident was just really funny for most Aussies and we really weren't too offended. in fact, if you bring it up with an Aussie they would probably have a good laugh with you
Sorry france, the english boys r back together 🇬🇧 🇺🇸 🇦🇺
The god trio
Are you British?
@@TheIceman567 arnt we all a little british
@@Wildboy789789 true but are you from Great Britain?
@@TheIceman567 no, usa
When France chose China's Huawei, it voluntarily gave up submarines.
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I cant believe they recalled their diplomats from the usa and Australia
It’s a bit of a hissy fit. I think they will get over it. Macron could get some advice from Michel Barnier on the importance of concentrating on real interests and avoiding/ignoring the histrionics.
A heap of drama that will not exactly change much. France are playing the "betrayed ally" tune, which is understandable at this stage. The broader question is: what have they and the EU done to be considered allies against China?
This is the tip of the iceberg. The EU, now, is concerned. What if the USA betrays its members, like what they did with France? What about European military industry, if the USA can break a contract between foreign countries? What if competition on military market is not fair anymore, if the USA use dumping as a normal practise, forcing the EU to retaliate or disappear?
Both USA and Australia have betrayed an ally. And that is never good. Not only France, but the EU, will look twice before doing anything in the Pacific or against China. Many countries in Asia are concerned, because, from now, China will feel free to supply nuclear submarines to its vassals.
@@chefchaudard3580 its not dumping. This about strengthening an ally. Not about undercutting Frances military industrial complex.
@@pandabear4565 the result is the same, isn't it?
AUKUS is not adversarial at all toward any particular nation but meant to REFLECT the close relationship between UK USA and Australia. Really? You can't just have a nice dinner among the three of you? At least have the balls to come out and say "We don't like China and want to keep them in check." Which is totally fine, but at least be a man about it. What's with all the passive aggressiveness?
"AUKUS" is code for "USUKA" - "You sucker" - aimed directly at the French, with whom yet another contract has (indirectly) been reneged-upon by Britain and/or British-linked alliances.
By Britain 😂😀😂 Why does Britain Think Its still important for the world
@@dr.livesey7595 Still seems to live rent free in your head I guess 🤔
7:59 Please hold the final text of the "snarky commenter" for a few more frames before jumping on. I love reading them and sometimes have a hard time pausing the video at just the right spot to read it at my leisure (especially on mobile). Keep up the good work.
In addition, France Maintains a nuclear policy independent of NATO
@@biodidu25 who is threatening french territory
@@biodidu25 France's is in civil war, Mocroni, no one like , need to sort there shit out at home first lmao
@@ebonymaw8457 lots of possibilities... dont forget France territory is Guyane (south america), Martinique, Guadeloupe, Reunion, Nouvelle Calédonie, Polynésie,...
@@danielgiupponi3704 Yes but no one is threatening those.
@@nathanbond1683 "France is in civil war" this is the best and most accurate geopolitical analysis I've read in 20 years, are you a Harvard professor or something?
8 sub for more than 60 billion US dollars…it is more like a fee that showing Australian loyalty to the US. Too expensive.
Australia handled this rather clumsily in my opinion. Firstly they should have ensured sufficient separation between the AUKUS announcement and the cancellation of the sub contract. Instead they basically humiliated the French on a stage with Boris, who the French love not alot and the president of the USA. Secondly the Australian's do actually need conventional subs. Diesel electric subs are super quiet and can operate in littoral waters around Australia. Nuclear subs cannot. They needed both and should have negotiated with the French for a better deal and kept them onside. Now getting a trade deal with the EU will be much harder. At a time when China is pressing them economically. The pact itself is a good idea but its announcement was ham fisted.
It doesn’t say anywhere that they are not acquiring diesel submarines at all - just not from the French.
You’re not in full receipt of the published facts. France had been clearly warned about this 24 months ago so the fact that france acts surprised is a political lie
The Australian gov has not been happy with this contract for a while now and has said so on a few different occasions, just back in Feb there were talks between the CEO of naval group and the Australian gov because the french wouldn't commit to 60% locally built like the Australian gov wanted from the start of the contract something the french said would happen in order to win the contract, so this has been coming for a while and the French are just throwing a whine about it because they lost their cow to try and milk for as much as they can.
@@The_Desert_Tiger You are right. In addition to the submarines, the Australians wanted 60% of the work to be done in Australians as specified in the contract, but the French seemed to ignore this. This contract had been in trouble for some time and the French have only themselves to blame.
When the Australians found friends that would give them the technology to build their own submarines, they jumped at it. In addition they would be given quantum, artificial intelligence and cyber technology.
If the French moan about breaking contracts, the EU stopped the supply of vaccines to Australia. I am sure that the Australians felt stabbed in the back over that, but I cannot remember them having a hissy fit over it.
@@catherinegrimes2308 still for as a small nation like Australia to screw up France wasn't smart
France will definitely remember this and the whole eu might keep a few more options open and won't commit to work against china as much
France 🇫🇷 was excluded because they are not anglo saxon.
Death, taxes and the french complaining....
Well, they do have a good reason to complain this time
@@simonelagreca9233 What the US and UK did was in France's strategic interest. There is no rational reason for France to be mad.
@@simonelagreca9233 Not really, they signed the contract with the off ramp provisions and the Australians are just executing a clause in the contract that they agreed to. If they didn't like it, they should have never signed the contract.
3 things u can garentee in life
@@brownbricks6017 Do you know what a contract is
I'm a citizen of both Australia and the US, and I don't like how either has shafted France. So my apologies to the French, even though I certainly didn't vote for ScoMo's party, and Biden wasn't my choice in the primaries, either.