Grumpys got a lil' rythym going after second...with a wag of his elbow 123 times before 3rd gear ......then hes hangin onto the shifter and steering wheel doin' a little jig as he puffs on his cigar as he knows he won.........Hilarious...
I've seen Bob Reed, fairly recently, making passes with an open face helmet and a cigarette dangling out of his mouth..... oh, and wearing the boots, of course. That generation of racers was tough as nails.
Not An Argument. Hell yea, grumpy bossed those powershifts too.... I dig the way he wiggles his elbow before banging 3rd like "come on bi**h go, I'm waitin!"
When you had to drive a car to go fast. I have a WS6 Trans Am 6speed. I love it. Always had manual hotrods. Autos may be faster but manuals are more fun.
@@mopar1465 Granny shifting is certainly a lot better for your car........but it does invite a comparison that makes me wonder why it's included in this video of all out, "who gives a damn about breaking stuff?" efforts to squeeze out the maximum potential of a race car.
@John S modified synchros in the old 4 or even speed transmissions is what worked so was running automatic transmission fluid in them instead of gear oil. I still love shifting the old 4 speeds they just have character the new transmissions do not have.
I speed shifted my cars, back in the day. (68, 69 roadrunner, 68 GTX, etc). Kept my right foot on the floor. Never really hurt anything, but it would tear chunks out of my clutch disc. I'd go through a clutch after a year or so.
Anyone who knows drag racing history pertaining to the relationship of Pro Stocks(and Super Stocks) with 4-Speeds and the drivers know that HERB McCANDLESS was "The Man" when it came to the 4-speed...NONE of those guys in early pro stock were slouchers at "Bangin" if their box was in tact, But what Herb had going for him that stood apart from other drivers was his ingenuity !!!...He had great timing, rhythm, and speed so much so that his peers(Jenkins, Booth, Landy, Grotheer, AND SOX) gave him the nickname "Mr.4-Speed"...Herb McCandless made Ronnie Sox the driver he had become !!! ... Don't take my word for it...DO THE RESEARCH !!!!
WOMEN DONT KNOW HOW TO POWER SHIFT....THEY HAVE TOO MUCH FEAR IN THEM......WHERE AS A MAN.....HAS NO FEAR !!!! EXCEPT FOR SHIRLEY MULLDOWNEY, SHE IS AMAZING. CHECK OUT GRUMPY JENKINS, HE IS AMAZING AT SHIFTING.
Docdon42 hey you exactly right that's what's called power shifting as you know your right foot never leaves the floor. Just one thing to remember don't miss a shift LOL Anyway I drag raced 20 years all four speeds know a little bit about it.
@@erniemcgowin4637 Many men have become moderately wealthy drag racing. That is because they were multi millionaires when they started.......ha ha ha ha !
Charlie Christie That’s the truth. I would spend all my extra money and all my spare time and go to the strip and pay gate and pit fee’s Just to maybe go home with a 2 dollar trophy. Lol. But it was fun.
@@erniemcgowin4637, absolutely. I'd pull on the linkage about as hard as I could then just brush the clutch pedal. Squawk 'em in 4th loud enough to hear over engine/road noise. Seemed that was worth at least 3 car lengths over someone that lifted, even slightly, or completely disengaged the clutch. That's why the Muncie synchro rings were made of brass, right, so they wouldn't hurt the gear teeth when they lost slivers of metal.
Those old pro stock drivers were the best but the grump was a badass indeed. Could you imagine Warren Johnson making a pass in dress shoes smoking a cigar? lol
Bruce G. I know you miss driving your Dart , if we had one wish it'd be to have all our cars back :) . Back then ya thought the days would never end, thanks for watching!!!!
Love the old drags ! I put a Mr. Gasket Inline V-Gate shifter in my 66' Chevelle SS .... sweet for the strip but a real pain in the azz on the street. I guess that's the price you pay for cool ! 😎
Yup. Modern Tech has RUINED racing as I've always known it. Here in 2019 virtually anyone with no skill at all behind wheel can walk into a show room and buy a new Challenger 1320. It's a wonderful example of modern tech that really is pretty amazing. But by the time you realize that you can program everything in to a touch screen and then just point the car straight....... you're really just "riding" to the finish line. Your new car displays the skill you don't even have to have anymore to produce a perfect run. This is may be HIGH TECH at it's best today but it ain't drag racing between drivers where a single misstep by one, in even the smallest way, at each shift or on the launch, can produce the loser in a close match up.
Did you see the wing tips (shoes) how about Grumps long throw shifter? I had Mopars (in the 70s) with 833 A s and a Mr. gasket V gates. Thanks great vid!
Some of us were lucky to have parents and friends that were brave enough to teach America's baby boomers how to drive using a 4-speed or manual/standard transmission, and they wouldn't even flinch or balk when we burned out clutches or stripped gears trying to down or double shift because the Dads did their own car repair work in their garages as hobbies or general interest. However, back then, one could only take the driver's license test using a car with an automatic transmission. It's an assumption probably not proven out that all of America' s millennials can drive a stick, but some have been taught, just for fun, on specific American makes/models. It takes a patient soul, for certain!
In 2005 I put together a 1969 camaro for a friend of mine to run in N.H.R.A. B/S stock eliminator. 396/375 stick shift. Jerico 4 speed, Leonard Long shifter. Had to pry his fingers off the steering wheel to get him out of the car. He loved it.
It sounded right when Ronnie shifted at the end and when dude was with his ole lady. That's how you powershift with old mechanical linkage (Ronnie) and with hydrolic clutch (dude and his gil). That girl shifted about as quick as you can without holding the gas pedal to the floor. Hydrolic being slower has a tendancy to ben shift forks. You are rushing the hydro system to make it powershift and the fluid has to reverse flow to engage clutch when you release the pedal. Big difference in the two. Cool video. Landy's shifting you could hear the engine rev high before he got the next gear. might keep you from missing a gear with the clutch in that long but sure is hard on parts.
Hey you sould only like a few who might actually understand how to shift extremely fast.. right on the slave cylinder hydraulic set up.. Wish I could of settled all this with a viedo.
I would always keep my foot to the floor. I see most lifting and even some of the pros lifting a bit. Foot to the floor keeps you planted in the seat firmly so your body doesn't move around. Have I ever shifted an old four speed? No, most of my experience comes from a BW T5, BUT I could also power-shift my 93 Taurus SHO. The shifter connects to the FWD tranny with rods, so there is no feel and the shifter is long like a fish club. If you don't know what you are doing, things will go south fast. An 8000 RPM engine coupled to a Mazda MTX75 FWD tranny and making some good HP. The car ate engine mounts and if you wanted to change the clutch, you had to drill holes in the floor to gain access to the bolts. I also noticed the wingtips. Street racing in the summer, we'd wear sandals for their light weight and the leather sole was slippery enough to strike the clutch pedal on a angled kick which was just enough to disengage the clutch and slam the lever into the next gear.
What was with all the hammering and slamming the shifter? I did however, like watching Grumpy wigglin his elbow, when he went into third gear. He started doing that, when used to race his 63 chevy campaign car.
jamesdeanspyder , you've got that right , they really were monsters to handle & not everybody could do it . Sure did have lots of fun back in "the day" , thanks for watching!!
I went to school in Malvern Pa. Talked to "The Grump" many times , he said the tack is good for setting the carbs.(that was about all)ya shift when it quits pullin!
If your going to race a standard, learn to never let off the throttle. Once you push it to the floor, that's where it stays until the finish or a miss shift. Just slap the clutch, pushing it down fast and sliding your foot off the side, the spring will return it faster then your leg.
LOL So Not the same !!! Muscle Cars of the 1960s-70s Clutch Pressure at the Pedal and length of throw is So Much Greater and the Gears just simply shirt much easier in today's cars !! I've had many New Mustangs, and have had many Classic cars over the years, (I'm 60' now) it just ain't the same and much harder to be Good n Fast with the Older Classics, and Far more fun !! : D Landy, RonnieSox, Grumpy, Dino Don They were the Masters at it !! R.I.P
Dandy Dick Landy & Bill 'Grumpy ' Jenkins , Man, those guys could shift a 4-speed ! Ronnie Sox 'Mr. 4-speed' actually went slower when they installed a Lenco in his car. haha
This is how I grew up racing. Very few automatics, plus they were mostly 3 speed anyway. Want a rush? Nothing like a good hole shot and pulling 3.... There"s a lot to think about when you're driving a car and not pointing one....................
+andy brown the way I learned back in the 80's was full throttle down, pull hard on the shifter, it won't pop out of gear till you let off the throttle. It doesn't take much, fast shift, and hard on the throttle again.
Forget that tachometer! Go Or Blow! It made me sick seeing people watching there Tach! That's what my valve springs were for!!! LOL! That was the governor on my engine!
you can hear the engine rev between shifts is that called speed shifting or power shifting?....or do they both mean the same thing? I guess if you miss a gear you blow an engine ? and I would guess you shift well below red line so you don't over rev the engine? is that called short shifting?
Yes, speed or power shifting are the same. You don't let off the throttle while shifting and you are correct, you can blow an engine if you miss a gear unless you have a rev limiter. Short shifting is skipping a gear, ie. 1st to 3rd. Wont work well in drag racing. The only way you are going to win is to give it all it has and do it the same everytime. Watch Bill Jenkins.
My Dad raced against these guys and was just as good but never taught me how to drive a 4 speed so I learned the hard way yes it cost me but I went approx.150 passes with out missing a gear and i'm proud of that ! Dick Landy Bill Golden Al Vanerwoude Jack Bayer Bill Cummins and many more were great with a shifter so in 150 passes no breakage of parts
If you stop the video at 0.04 you can see the Hubert Platt blue Mustang has SS/CA on the rear window. That means Super Stock/C Automatic not stick. The supposed driver in the video can't be going through the gears in that car.
I remember this Car and it was intended to be an Automatic Car but dew to poor performance the car was switched to a 4 speed! The team had 4 cars that promoted Ford a 428 mustang 4 speed a Mustang 427 SOHC 4 speed a Cougar 428 4 speed and a 429 scj Cyclone!
Back when these guys were top drag racing names Dick Landy was beat two out of three runs at Union Grove drag strip in Wisconsin by two identical twin brothers Bob and Fred Gelling's from Russell, Illinois. Bob and Fred dragged raced up into their late 50's and only stopped because Fred died. They were Chevy racers and raced all over the mid west and down south in the winter time. They both worked for the Illinois highway department which supported them with plenty of time off during the years to race down south. Just for the record.
Luv a stick. Used to drive a 22 speed Road Ranger, and a 13 speed. I have an old dually with 6 speed, I drive every chance I get. I bought a Passat, because it had a stick. I guess it's about the only nice car you can still get with a stick. I don't think anyone makes a full sized truck with a stick anymore. After frying 5 slush boxes towing boats, I may be a bit prejudiced.
You'll never get a synchronized transmission to shift if you don't lift or use the clutch. Even in an unsychronized, you'll more than likely over-rev before it'll sync and drop into gear. I've driven both, but I'd love to see a video of you proving me wrong.
Done quickly and cleanly, you don't have to lift off the throttle to shift a stock synchronized manual transmission. Alternatively, kept at or near idle and shifted at the matching vehicle speed for that gear, you can smoothly shift without the clutch. But, without syncro/slider/gear mods (like true clutchless race manual transmissions), you can't expect to shift without the clutch and also without lifting.
Quinton McHale I can’t stand people who say not to use the clutch. You going to fuck your gears up driving like that. Might as well get an automatic and quit being a dick head
One of the pioneers of 1960s Super/Stock and Factory Experimental (FX) drag racing and one of the sport’s first touring professionals, Dave Stickler of York, Pennsylvania, made his early reputation as the driver of the “Old Reliable” Chevrolets out of the Ammon R. Smith dealership that were turned by his friend, partner and fellow EMPA Hall of Fame member, Bill “Grumpy” Jenkins. An Eagle Scout, the crew-cut Strickler is still recognized as the best and most-consistent driver with a 4-speed manual transmission in the history of S/S & FX drag racing. And he set the very first National Hot Rod Association National Records for what was then known as Optional Super/Stock (OS/S) in 1961 at the old York U.S. 30 Dragway when he covered the quarter-mile strip in 13.26 seconds at a speed of 107.65 miles per hour with his red 409-powered Chevrolet Biscayne “Old Reliable. Dave was way too young when we lost him . Thanks for watching !!
Sa Wu , The big hemi would run low 10's right off the showroom floor. With a little tuning you'd be into the hi 9's in the 130 mph range. Thanks for watching!!
love the stick cars. my dad's buddy had a saying back in the day " ANY BITCH CAN FLUSH A TOILET BUT IT TAKES A REAL DRIVER TO ROW A STICK "!!!! lol. I say liftin AIN'T power shiftin !!!! might as well have an automatic
Grumpy Jenkins, Ronny Sox and Dick Landy. Some of the best drag racing ever!!!
The lady done good. I knew a women back early 70s could get down with her chevelle 4spd 396
Grumpys got a lil' rythym going after second...with a wag of his elbow 123 times before 3rd gear ......then hes hangin onto the shifter and steering wheel doin' a little jig as he puffs on his cigar as he knows he won.........Hilarious...
That Chevy was making EAR PORN
Sad that all three are gone. Landy, Sox and Jenkins.
Still have Herb McCandless?
smoking a cigar while drag racing those where the days
Gee that old LaSalle ran great.
Landy and Jenkins both had their cigars when driving’s
Love the Grump, he owned that Super Shifter. Damn, miss those days.
Believe it or not, that was a converted 3 speed shifter, Grump used those, modded of course thru G.T. 8, then along came the Lenco.
I remember when Dick Landy and Bill Jenkins smoked cigars while racing...York US30 Dragway...the beginning of Pro Stock!
I've seen Bob Reed, fairly recently, making passes with an open face helmet and a cigarette dangling out of his mouth..... oh, and wearing the boots, of course. That generation of racers was tough as nails.
Landy Never lit his cigar, ever! I knew him well, Grump's, always puffing smoke!
Love those wing tip drag shoes at 0:11 !
This is how racing should be. No sissymatic
Love that Plymouth sound of Ronnie Sox!
And a stock factory shifter.
Good ole footage. I liked that guy huffing on that cigar while speed shifting!
Smoking a cigar while drag racing
Not An Argument.
Hell yea, grumpy bossed those powershifts too....
I dig the way he wiggles his elbow before banging 3rd like "come on bi**h go, I'm waitin!"
its unlit actually
QurttoRco that's ok, almost no one would dream of that today , unlit or not.
3rd Gen Guy , Grumpy !!! The man
Dick Landy was known for unlit cigar , Grumpy ( Bill Jenkins) was actually smoking his cigar you can see some smoke from it
When you had to drive a car to go fast. I have a WS6 Trans Am 6speed. I love it. Always had manual hotrods. Autos may be faster but manuals are more fun.
Ws6 great car
Gotta love Grumpys arm flap.
I used to do the same thing!
Me too. it was a timing thing. Can't explain why or how, just know that it happens.
That was how grumpy counted...no shift light back then...love it...he is my favorite Always has been the best of the best. IMHO..
Dyno Don was best, its a fact =)
One two three third!!!
We used to put Chrysler cast iron four speeds behind our big block Chevy engines ..the Muncie's would fracture.
We still do
I know I distroyed four of them in two years.
I guess if I lifted to shift, I'd want my face blurred too.
Fucking right!
@@mopar1465 Granny shifting is certainly a lot better for your car........but it does invite a comparison that makes me wonder why it's included in this video of all out, "who gives a damn about breaking stuff?" efforts to squeeze out the maximum potential of a race car.
@John S modified synchros in the old 4 or even speed transmissions is what worked so was running automatic transmission fluid in them instead of gear oil. I still love shifting the old 4 speeds they just have character the new transmissions do not have.
I love the old timers Landy & Jenkins going down the track while smoking a cigar ! classic.
I speed shifted my cars, back in the day. (68, 69 roadrunner, 68 GTX, etc). Kept my right foot on the floor. Never really hurt anything, but it would tear chunks out of my clutch disc. I'd go through a clutch after a year or so.
Try that on a modern-day car
@@MrHogghunter LoL. That clown probably had a slant 6 dart
No lift just shift
Jamming through the gears while puffin. A stogie, we will never be that badass
Ronnie Sox was the undisputed master of shifting. When the clutchless gearboxes came along, he was the only one they slowed down.
VirginianSpencer Ronnie Sox once said he thought Dave Strickler may have been the best 4 speed shifter ever
Butch Leal, the California Flash was the best Man with a Gear jammer bar non!
Anyone who knows drag racing history pertaining to the relationship of Pro Stocks(and Super Stocks) with 4-Speeds and the drivers know that HERB McCANDLESS was "The Man" when it came to the 4-speed...NONE of those guys in early pro stock were slouchers at "Bangin" if their box was in tact, But what Herb had going for him that stood apart from other drivers was his ingenuity !!!...He had great timing, rhythm, and speed so much so that his peers(Jenkins, Booth, Landy, Grotheer, AND SOX) gave him the nickname "Mr.4-Speed"...Herb McCandless made Ronnie Sox the driver he had become !!! ... Don't take my word for it...DO THE RESEARCH !!!!
The chicks legs are a lot better looking than the dudes.
and she granny shifts the ricer better as well!
WOMEN DONT KNOW HOW TO POWER SHIFT....THEY HAVE TOO MUCH FEAR IN THEM......WHERE AS A MAN.....HAS NO FEAR !!!! EXCEPT FOR SHIRLEY MULLDOWNEY, SHE IS AMAZING. CHECK OUT GRUMPY JENKINS, HE IS AMAZING AT SHIFTING.
I have to call Bull shit on that one I can remember a Woman called Shirley Shahane that Could pound gears with the best of the guys!
Mylan Miller ricer?
Docdon42 hey you exactly right that's what's called power shifting as you know your right foot never leaves the floor. Just one thing to remember don't miss a shift LOL Anyway I drag raced 20 years all four speeds know a little bit about it.
miss a shift = missing a bunch of money for an engine rebuild / replace
Power shifting makes you feel good but it makes your wallet feel sad
Hugh Jazz yes but it’s the only way to win
@@erniemcgowin4637 Many men have become moderately wealthy drag racing. That is because they were multi millionaires when they started.......ha ha ha ha !
Charlie Christie That’s the truth. I would spend all my extra money and all my spare time and go to the strip and pay gate and pit fee’s Just to maybe go home with a 2 dollar trophy. Lol. But it was fun.
@@erniemcgowin4637, absolutely. I'd pull on the linkage about as hard as I could then just brush the clutch pedal. Squawk 'em in 4th loud enough to hear over engine/road noise.
Seemed that was worth at least 3 car lengths over someone that lifted, even slightly, or completely disengaged the clutch. That's why the Muncie synchro rings were made of
brass, right, so they wouldn't hurt the gear teeth when they lost slivers of metal.
I speed shifted a stock T5 for 85K miles before I destroyed it, so done right with less than 300hp it's not too bad.
Beautiful to behold, thank you for sharing.
Thank you for watching, keep working on stuff!!
Those old pro stock drivers were the best but the grump was a badass indeed. Could you imagine Warren Johnson making a pass in dress shoes smoking a cigar? lol
Joe Di Carlo Yup, got to love the style of a man who races in wingtips!
Grumpy is the man!!! still is, I can watch him shift for hours on end!!! his mannerisms remind me of the guy in Rep Men who drove the chevy mailibu =)
Awesome. used to have 1969 Dodge Dart GTS with a 383 and a Hurst 4-speed. I really miss it.
Bruce G. I know you miss driving your Dart , if we had one wish it'd be to have all our cars back :) . Back then ya thought the days would never end, thanks for watching!!!!
I definitely Have to swap my auto out for a 4 speed in my Chevelle, man this video was kick ass🇺🇸
Chevette
I went through a lot of synchronizers trying to shift like those guys back in the day!
check out my vids.
So the trick with that Hurst Vertical gate shifter was to grind off every other synchro. It would always grind but under high RPM, they'd mesh.
Good
i can feel the power of those shifts and engine noise through my computer! nothing beats that sound!
Roak, Like music to my ears, thanks for watching bro!!!!!!!!!!!
Driving miiiight be better.
Gotta wear my wing tip shoes my next trip to the track!
R.I.P. "Dandy Dick" Landy. Bet Saint Peter got a good ride up to the big place on the hill when you got there. Just like he did with Ronnie Sox.
One of the best I've ever seen was The Red Light Bandit-Bill Bagshaw, he could really row that 4 speed!
Awesome video! If you dont race with clutch your not much!
Wingtip shoes and cigars.......YES!!!!
Back when it was cool to smoke and race at the same time
Love the old drags ! I put a Mr. Gasket Inline V-Gate shifter in my 66' Chevelle SS .... sweet for the strip but a real pain in the azz on the street. I guess that's the price you pay for cool ! 😎
that was back in the day of real racing,
Yup. Modern Tech has RUINED racing as I've always known it. Here in 2019 virtually anyone with no skill at all behind wheel can walk into a show room and buy a new Challenger 1320. It's a wonderful example of modern tech that really is pretty amazing. But by the time you realize that you can program everything in to a touch screen and then just point the car straight....... you're really just "riding" to the finish line. Your new car displays the skill you don't even have to have anymore to produce a perfect run. This is may be HIGH TECH at it's best today but it ain't drag racing between drivers where a single misstep by one, in even the smallest way, at each shift or on the launch, can produce the loser in a close match up.
tach is there for a reason son!!
Ahhhh the good ol' days!! Jimbo Baker the tire smoke maker!!
No one did it like Ronnie Sox.
Ronnie was the boss but one guy who came pretty close is Herb Mccandless
@@kevinpatrick8788 Herb: Mr. 4-speed
Beyond cool!! THIS is how racing should be. Not little fart can honda street racers.
You can thank Obama's "Cash for Clunkers."
my honda is a 4 speed...
Colton, your Honda is a 4 speed on the fart scale!
yeah yeah yeah
John Hill , where (I'll be polite) 4 cylinder cars have such an awful clutch slip when hard shifting
Grumpy Bill Jenkins shifting with that cigar and all...awesome
Did you see the wing tips (shoes) how about Grumps long throw shifter? I had Mopars (in the 70s) with 833 A s and a Mr. gasket V gates. Thanks great vid!
back in the day fathers disciplined kids by puttin there wing tips up there asses if any lip was given . wing tips were the multi purpose urban shoe
That's Dick Loer, or Hubert Platt from the Ford camp with the Wing tips, tiptoeing the left pedal!
Some of us were lucky to have parents and friends that were brave enough to teach America's baby boomers how to drive using a 4-speed or manual/standard transmission, and they wouldn't even flinch or balk when we burned out clutches or stripped gears trying to down or double shift because the Dads did their own car repair work in their garages as hobbies or general interest. However, back then, one could only take the driver's license test using a car with an automatic transmission. It's an assumption probably not proven out that all of America' s millennials can drive a stick, but some have been taught, just for fun, on specific American makes/models. It takes a patient soul, for certain!
In 2005 I put together a 1969 camaro for a friend of mine to run in N.H.R.A. B/S stock eliminator. 396/375 stick shift. Jerico 4 speed, Leonard Long shifter. Had to pry his fingers off the steering wheel to get him out of the car. He loved it.
what is this old school footage from i love it!
Ronnie Sox was the only man that a Lenco slowed down.
Those old pro-stocks still kick ass even in the21st century 😮
back when affordable cars were cool,fun and were very different from one another + shit load of engine and gearing options
Better times back then
In '63 IIrc Pontiac had 13 389 configurations.
Dude with the cigar was kickin ass!!
Jenkins he was the man!!!! I remember seeing Grumpy and Bob Glidden in alot of grudge races it was awesome 😯🏁
Girl did a great job power shifting
I got a chrysler A-833 13 spline and it will take just about anything I throw at it. A true hot rod is a stick shift period.
MrStollerisme, Real hotrods have 3 pedals, thanks for watching!!
Thanks for watching , gotta luv the old gear jammers !
Love the vintage Drag Racing... Grumpy Jenkins was one of my favorites...Pro Stock pioneer!!!
Go fast or go home, keep working on stuff, thanks for watching!!!!!!!!!
This is what racing is all about! Old school love it !
Clint , you've got that right ! Those days bring back a lot of great memories . Gotta love the old school, thanks for watching!!
Yes! ❤
It sounded right when Ronnie shifted at the end and when dude was with his ole lady. That's how you powershift with old mechanical linkage (Ronnie) and with hydrolic clutch (dude and his gil). That girl shifted about as quick as you can without holding the gas pedal to the floor. Hydrolic being slower has a tendancy to ben shift forks. You are rushing the hydro system to make it powershift and the fluid has to reverse flow to engage clutch when you release the pedal. Big difference in the two. Cool video. Landy's shifting you could hear the engine rev high before he got the next gear. might keep you from missing a gear with the clutch in that long but sure is hard on parts.
Hey you sould only like a few who might actually understand how to shift extremely fast.. right on the slave cylinder hydraulic set up..
Wish I could of settled all this with a viedo.
I would always keep my foot to the floor. I see most lifting and even some of the pros lifting a bit. Foot to the floor keeps you planted in the seat firmly so your body doesn't move around. Have I ever shifted an old four speed? No, most of my experience comes from a BW T5, BUT I could also power-shift my 93 Taurus SHO. The shifter connects to the FWD tranny with rods, so there is no feel and the shifter is long like a fish club. If you don't know what you are doing, things will go south fast. An 8000 RPM engine coupled to a Mazda MTX75 FWD tranny and making some good HP. The car ate engine mounts and if you wanted to change the clutch, you had to drill holes in the floor to gain access to the bolts.
I also noticed the wingtips. Street racing in the summer, we'd wear sandals for their light weight and the leather sole was slippery enough to strike the clutch pedal on a angled kick which was just enough to disengage the clutch and slam the lever into the next gear.
Todd T, very good, that was how it was done back in the '60's too, if you wanted to win.
What was with all the hammering and slamming the shifter? I did however, like watching Grumpy wigglin his elbow, when he went into third gear. He started doing that, when used to race his 63 chevy campaign car.
Cigars and wing tips. That's tough guy shit right there❤
Right On !! Thanks for watching!!
Smoking a cigar and wearing wingtip shoes while driving a 4 speed monster on the quarter mile! When racing was not an exact science, but more fun!
jamesdeanspyder , you've got that right , they really were monsters to handle & not everybody could do it . Sure did have lots of fun back in "the day" , thanks for watching!!
Gee, a real stick shift.
I went to school in Malvern Pa. Talked to "The Grump" many times , he said the tack is good for setting the carbs.(that was about all)ya shift when it quits pullin!
He must have been messin' with ya.
@@789pokey May be he was a great man as he showed me all thru the shop. This was in 1966-67.
Great memories
I want to drag race in black leather dress shoes from now on
How did this go from Dick Landy rowing gears in a Mopar Hemi to some girl and guy in some car playing around on a highway? I don't see the connection.
Drove a Hino box truck. Got to the point that I didn't use the clutch from second to fifth gear.
Kids weren’t power shifting but they had fun.
Back when it was Pro Stock...now it's Pro $ummit...Ander$mug & Dive!
MOPAR FOREVER !
Ford getting competition this year(GM Nation)
To bad you put in those 2 modern car scenes... would have made a great movie.
Love those swifter Shifter Gloves btw
Back when black wing tips were legal race attire! Holy cats!😲😄😅🤣👍! And Grumpy takin a few puffs on his lit cigar during the run. So cool. Never again.
Old school power shifting, when you did not let off the accelerator!
If your going to race a standard, learn to never let off the throttle. Once you push it to the floor, that's where it stays until the finish or a miss shift. Just slap the clutch, pushing it down fast and sliding your foot off the side, the spring will return it faster then your leg.
theguyinmaine
, Good call brother, keep working on stuff & thanks for watching!!!!!
Yes indeed.
keep your left hand at 10-11 oclock when your bangin it through the gears...at 7-8 oclock if things get squirrelly... you will lose it waaaaay faster
My Brother Would Power Shift So Hard And Fast That I Thought That He Was Going To RIP The Shifter Out Of His 67 Corvette 350.
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at 9 sec banging gears with yer "Sunday go to meeting" wingtip shoes on.
if you're gonna shift gears GET AN EXPLOSION PROOF BELLHOUSING,you've been warned
strattuner, yes indeed, good idea with hydraulics. Absolutely if you have solids.
LOL So Not the same !!! Muscle Cars of the 1960s-70s Clutch Pressure at the Pedal and length of throw is So Much Greater and the Gears just simply shirt much easier in today's cars !!
I've had many New Mustangs, and have had many Classic cars over the years, (I'm 60' now) it just ain't the same and much harder to be Good n Fast with the Older Classics, and Far more fun !! : D
Landy, RonnieSox, Grumpy, Dino Don They were the Masters at it !! R.I.P
Dandy Dick Landy & Bill 'Grumpy ' Jenkins , Man, those guys could shift a 4-speed ! Ronnie Sox 'Mr. 4-speed' actually went slower when they installed a Lenco in his car. haha
I love it. Banging gears with wing tips on! 0:11.
Back in 'the day', hah bringin' back some great memories. Thanks for watching & keep working on stuff!!
RIP Mr 4 speed
We had longer shift patterns back then 😊
Power shifting is keeping the gas to the floor and shifting at peek RPM.
lelko8, you shift where it keeps the most area under the power curve.
This is how I grew up racing. Very few automatics, plus they were mostly 3 speed anyway. Want a rush? Nothing like a good hole shot and pulling 3.... There"s a lot to think about when you're driving a car and not pointing one....................
I have to agree with that there were a lot more racers that could drive a gear jammer than the ones that couldn`t|
Remember those days well. 67nova ss . 4speed on drag strip. 12.04 all day long
Hey Mark ,Great times back in the day , 12.04 all day long was cookin!! Thanks for watching!
the right foot should never move, why they chose the guy and girl is beyond me.
+andy brown the way I learned back in the 80's was full throttle down, pull hard on the shifter, it won't pop out of gear till you let off the throttle. It doesn't take much, fast shift, and hard on the throttle again.
Forget that tachometer! Go Or Blow! It made me sick seeing people watching there Tach! That's what my valve springs were for!!! LOL! That was the governor on my engine!
Right on !
+Neapolis If u got ears u can shift at the right moment.
you can hear the engine rev between shifts
is that called speed shifting or power shifting?....or do they both mean the same thing?
I guess if you miss a gear you blow an engine ?
and I would guess you shift well below red line so you don't over rev the engine?
is that called short shifting?
Yes, speed or power shifting are the same. You don't let off the throttle while shifting and you are correct, you can blow an engine if you miss a gear unless you have a rev limiter. Short shifting is skipping a gear, ie. 1st to 3rd. Wont work well in drag racing. The only way you are going to win is to give it all it has and do it the same everytime. Watch Bill Jenkins.
+Neapolis Well said. 👍
My Dad raced against these guys and was just as good but never taught me how to drive a 4 speed so I learned the hard way yes it cost me but I went approx.150 passes with out missing a gear and i'm proud of that !
Dick Landy Bill Golden Al Vanerwoude Jack Bayer Bill Cummins and many more were great with a shifter so in 150 passes no breakage of parts
Jim, thanks for the comment & for watching. Best wishes from one Hot Rodder to another!!
Jimbo your daddy never beat grumpy, second if u ran Chevy's they didn't have the HP to break things like a MIGHTY MOPAR.
If you stop the video at 0.04 you can see the Hubert Platt blue Mustang has SS/CA on the rear window. That means Super Stock/C Automatic not stick. The supposed driver in the video can't be going through the gears in that car.
I remember this Car and it was intended to be an Automatic Car but dew to poor performance the car was switched to a 4 speed! The team had 4 cars that promoted Ford a 428 mustang 4 speed a Mustang 427 SOHC 4 speed a Cougar 428 4 speed and a 429 scj Cyclone!
Back when these guys were top drag racing names Dick Landy was beat two out of three runs at Union Grove drag strip in Wisconsin by two identical twin brothers Bob and Fred Gelling's from Russell, Illinois. Bob and Fred dragged raced up into their late 50's and only stopped because Fred died. They were Chevy racers and raced all over the mid west and down south in the winter time. They both worked for the Illinois highway department which supported them with plenty of time off during the years to race down south. Just for the record.
Luv a stick. Used to drive a 22 speed Road Ranger, and a 13 speed. I have an old dually with 6 speed, I drive every chance I get. I bought a Passat, because it had a stick. I guess it's about the only nice car you can still get with a stick. I don't think anyone makes a full sized truck with a stick anymore. After frying 5 slush boxes towing boats, I may be a bit prejudiced.
Not true speed shifting if you lift your right foot.
....or use the clutch.
You'll never get a synchronized transmission to shift if you don't lift or use the clutch. Even in an unsychronized, you'll more than likely over-rev before it'll sync and drop into gear.
I've driven both, but I'd love to see a video of you proving me wrong.
Of coarse you use the Clutch when your Power shifting but you don`t lift off the Gas! If you lift your granny shifting|
Done quickly and cleanly, you don't have to lift off the throttle to shift a stock synchronized manual transmission. Alternatively, kept at or near idle and shifted at the matching vehicle speed for that gear, you can smoothly shift without the clutch. But, without syncro/slider/gear mods (like true clutchless race manual transmissions), you can't expect to shift without the clutch and also without lifting.
Quinton McHale I can’t stand people who say not to use the clutch. You going to fuck your gears up driving like that. Might as well get an automatic and quit being a dick head
'Ole Dave Strickler could really row the gears!
One of the pioneers of 1960s Super/Stock and Factory Experimental (FX) drag racing and one of the sport’s first touring professionals, Dave Stickler of York, Pennsylvania, made his early reputation as the driver of the “Old Reliable” Chevrolets out of the Ammon R. Smith dealership that were turned by his friend, partner and fellow EMPA Hall of Fame member, Bill “Grumpy” Jenkins.
An Eagle Scout, the crew-cut Strickler is still recognized as the best and most-consistent driver with a 4-speed manual transmission in the history of S/S & FX drag racing. And he set the very first National Hot Rod Association National Records for what was then known as Optional Super/Stock (OS/S) in 1961 at the old York U.S. 30 Dragway when he covered the quarter-mile strip in 13.26 seconds at a speed of 107.65 miles per hour with his red 409-powered Chevrolet Biscayne “Old Reliable.
Dave was way too young when we lost him .
Thanks for watching !!
Also, why is Bob Glidden, never in these shorts anyway?
I wonder what numbers these cars were running. Damn slamming gears that hard looks fun, can't shift many imports like that.
Sa Wu , The big hemi would run low 10's right off the showroom floor. With a little tuning you'd be into the hi 9's in the 130 mph range. Thanks for watching!!
@@bgivco Low 10's in stock form, no way!! That's Challenger Demon territory.
love the stick cars. my dad's buddy had a saying back in the day " ANY BITCH CAN FLUSH A TOILET BUT IT TAKES A REAL DRIVER TO ROW A STICK "!!!! lol. I say liftin AIN'T power shiftin !!!! might as well have an automatic