When nagasawa ask why isn't earth like heaven and the other guy answered his question saying it for learning purposes yet I don't think he understood that, but I did and it actually makes perfect sense.
Jeffrey Lang has answered these fundamental questions, his lectures are freely available on UA-cam etc, it's quite strange people don't search answers but only ask questions...
@@kootdirker2448 Totally agree. When one clings to ANY religion, they are not a seeker. They are sheep. Christians may worship Jesus, but they sure don't know what the hell he said.
A few points: (1) The four Gospels were written roughly between 70 A.D. and 110 A.D., based on an extensive oral tradition circulating among the first Christians and others about the reported words and deeds of Jesus. (2) Much of the development of the doctrines of Heaven and Hell took place after Jesus's death. The recorded sayings of Jesus on the subject are sparse and sound highly symbolic. (3) Sayings attributed to Jesus refer to the need to believe in him (in some not explicitly identified sense), not the need to believe in every theological doctrine human beings later develop about him.
The real hell is here. I can't believe that there could be anywhere worse in the universe than life on this planet. The understanding of what life after death would be is according to our knowledge, intelligence, instinct, nature, experience and senses which are all very limited in our physical body.
Yes, Of course Some people and animals experienced unimaginable suffering. Can hell be worse so that you experience same level of suffering ethereally? That would be extremely sad I don’t see how anyone would deserve that. Of course it’s nonsense. Nobody cares about us so that’s why terrible things happen, what’s so hard to see?
The "concise" explanation makes absolutely no sense . There cant be light without darkness around (you will not see it) and there cant be absolute good. How is absolute good ?? Cant be quantifiable. Good exist only because there is evil. If you remove evil (or just the "not so good") then free will , freedom , different characters , paths , learning and many more things cease to exists . The explanation of this guy is absolutely ridiculous .
Interesting, as always. A few pieces are missing (or are nearly missing) from Professor Nagasawa’s puzzle and overall cosmology, and its players: 1. He seems to assume that there are just two main or significant entities/players, God and man. In fact there are others and they are very significant. There are even other categories of entity. 2. He seems to assume that man has great significance (the greatest significance?) within the cosmological picture. The reality is more complex and is even paradoxical. Man is both very significant and very insignificant. 3. He does not seem to allow for, or understand, *ontology*, its possible role, nor the possibility of altered ontology, nor the huge role that altered ontology might play. (The only Being with eternal unaltered and unalterable ontology is God.) It is quite common to characterize a given player by what they have done or could do. What they were, are, and can become is at least as important.
The Soul our consciousness the essence of our being is a type of energy. While the Universe exists it must still exist in some form because energy can't be destroyed it just becomes transformed into something else. I think our souls or consciousness joins with the Universal Collective Consciousness thereby helping the Universe to evolve.
Perhaps the movie "What dreams may come" gives a story of hell, imprisoned by your own mental thought, and it makes sense some pain causes us to psychically fragment to protect ourselves, and the fragmentation is the hell, and it causes you to act out that fragmentation and cause suffering to others whom we project as the cause. Whether everlasting, or ends with our life, hard to say, but it reincarnation is real, our fragmentations maybe pass to a next life.
Thank goodness I'm a Preterist. At least the Preterist understanding of "hell" is really just describing actual events in history (the fall of Jerusalem in 70AD - "This *generation* shall not pass until all these things are fulfilled").
To be in Hell is to be permanently cut off from the presence of God, with the knowledge that you cannot progress. This life is a proving ground and a school. There are many levels of Heaven and we will be assigned to the appropriate one. Also, most people think Eternal means unending or infinite when it is really a description of a quality of life - not a quantity.
@@anonmouse956 Of course, and I make an assessment of that every day. But I'm much more confident in choosing an evidence based world-view, rather than a magical religious one. You can see the damage that world-view is doing (and has done) everywhere.
Why religion? they want to have access to power that is beyond anything and they just love the idea of something extremely powerful that only helps those in the club. That’s all, it makes them very happy to be part of such a tribe, it makes them superior.
Perhaps our life on earth is a state of being, where we have the freedom to do good and-or bad - from which we pass into a new state of being, when we die, whether it's in heaven or in hell. In that new state, there are an absence of freedom and a change into a pre-determined nature, for good or for evil. In short, there is no evil in heaven and there is no good in hell.
Heaven and hell are metaphorical constructs. They exist as representations of your life. Good/evil, yin/yang, positive/negative, etc are all age old terms. Heaven and hell underwent a slow evolution once the Roman Christians got a hold of it. Hell didn't exist in the original Jewish teachings, but I imagine fear factors were seen to enhance church membership. The Muslims copied the Christians. Hell as we hear it in use today comes largely from Dante's inferno. Next.
For many people heave and hell are more than metaphor, they believe those are places. People who believe in immortal souls have to put them somewhere. Once the leap into fantasy has been made it does take much to imagine fantasy lands.
I find it interesting that an award-winning philosopher of religion would oversimplify the theodicy arguments (why a loving, all powerful, all knowing, and all good God would allow evil to exist). The traditional argument is that God permits freedom of choice, not because freedom is such a valuable moral good, as Yujin Nagasawa here suggests, but because only people with free will can choose to love God freely and, therefore, authentically. If, for example, humans were not free to choose to accept or reject God’s love, then any service, love, or devotion they rendered him would be forced or compelled or programmed into them. If God created us to enjoy a loving relationship with us, we must be free to reject or accept him for our love to be genuine and not forced. Why? A compelled love would be an inferior love (or not love at all) when compared to the love a free moral agent renders. We understand that we cannot force another person to love us and freely spend their life with us in intimate marriage. Any attempt to do so by force, we actually deem a crime (e.g., rape, abduction, sexual slavery). It’s clearly possible for God to make us the equivalent of His love androids or automatons, if you will, beings who love him by design, and do not act against his wishes (sin). However, that would diminish God’s goodness, as He would have to use something akin to force, compulsion, or programming to create an illusory state akin to love but that was not actually love. It would be strange, indeed, if an all-good God could not inspire love and devotion from his subjects without an element of compulsion. Now imagine people who freely and truly fell in love with God. How would they act? They would remain loyal and faithful and true to their love, God, eschewing all other courses of action that would impinge upon their relationship with their greatest love (sin). In the same way, it is possible for a married couple to remain in love, deepen their love with each passing year, and remain faithful to each other through a lifetime. The argument for heavenly perfection is that only those humans who embark on such a life of complete devotion to God, walking so closely with him that they do not wish to act against him-the overcomers, if you will-receive the transformed nature of the new creation, that is, resurrected or transformed bodies and natures (which they will enjoy in heaven and the earth made new), where the influence of sin is removed from their nature and surrounding. If two free moral agents decide to love each other and remain exclusively faithful to each other through eternity, and take on marriage vows, voluntarily giving up their freedom to choose to love others through affairs or a plural marriage, then they have freely accepted a state of enforced wedlock. Is their love thereafter forced or less real? If marriage, a restriction on freedom, does not diminish love, so long as it is freely entered, then why would a transformed heavenly union, so long as it is freely entered by both parties based on love diminish? Interestingly, the biblical metaphor for life with God in eternity is marriage, the wedding day of the Lamb, the great marriage feast. Thus, even if sin were impossible in the hereafter, freedom and love could be real for humans who freely entered that state by choice. Arguably, it would be unloving of God to prolong a state of affairs in which those who sincerely want to live in devotion to him for eternity could fall away through temptation or sin. This argument is not incoherent because even an omnipotent, omniscient, and all good God could not create beings who freely loved him, yet were not free to reject him, just as God cannot make a square circle because it’s a logical impossibility to do so. However, once free beings choose to devote themselves to God, his empowering them to do so perfectly for eternity does not violate their free will or make their love compelled. It empowers their choice and love.
Maybe we are here to learn how to create our own heaven?! Perhaps, if we fail to create our own after-life, the default destination is either to remain part of God’s realm (eg Heaven and reincarnation), or be banished to the void.
I think that we look at heaven and hell as an actual place and maybe we need to stop doing this . heaven and hell could actually be what we are living in right now and we have a choice at this very moment to live our lives in heaven or hell and this could simply be of oneself . your inner soul . To be happy where you are in life or to just simply live your life in regret and misery and maybe we carried this through our Death .
One could argue that the freedom of human beings in Heaven is just like their freedom on Earth except for the freedom to act sinfully. Spirits could still do whatever they want, except for sinning. There are so many other choices rather than just to sin or not. The difference with Satan would be that Satan is a being that can sin even in Heaven, which would presuppose that angels are somehow freer than (and in that sense superior to) deceased humans. Just speculating as a non-Christian.
God free will is heaven on earth. Only with God is there free will. When humanity recognize God as central authority, then humanity have free will and overcome evil; when humanity recognize central authority other than God, then not have free will and not overcome evil. Humanity conscious choice under God free will is heaven on earth and overcome evil.
According to scriptures and lore, Lucifer and his supporters were already in Heaven, but then committed some acts of "evil", and got themselves kicked out. So.. in theory, human souls are able to have choices, including to commit evil in Heaven, but risk getting banished.
It is from the Bible that man has learned cruelty, rapine, and murder; for the belief of a cruel God makes a cruel man. The Bible represents God to be a changeable, passionate, vindictive being; making a world and then drowning it, afterwards repenting of what he had done, and promising not to do so again. Setting one nation to cut the throats of another, and stopping the course of the sun till the butchery should be done. What the world needs is not iron age dogma but an attitude of scientific inquiry combined with a belief that the torture of millions is not desirable, whether inflicted by Stalin or by a Deity imagined in the likeness of the believer.. As man develops, he places a greater value upon his own rights. Liberty becomes a grander and diviner thing. As he values his own rights, he begins to value the rights of others. And when all men give to all others all the rights they claim for themselves, this world will be civilized. Thanx for sharing your rational perspective with us.. It is refreshing ..
@@danielpaulson8838 The religious submit only to the god who submits to their religion. All works of fiction whose characters are autotheographical are inherently violent.
//If we imagine that immortal souls exist, we then ask ourselves, why do they exist? What is the purpose of a soul that exists into eternity?// i've been asking the same question about God. Not, does God exist, buy WHY does he exist? What is the purpose of God? Why do we need God?
@Lisa Jordan My intent in the comment was to just draw attention to how the heaven-hell problem is beautifully solved in the Eastern, non-Abrahamic religions. And btw, since you refer to Hindu Gods as Aliens - here’s some food for thought: The image of Christ most followers have in their minds is of how he is typically depicted in beautiful paintings by artists. It is obviously not what he actually looked like in person. It’s called imagination. Do read up on the rich symbolism in Hindu Gods & Goddesses.
You asking on a thread of opinionated goofballs if that's true without googling it? Lol. That's why everyone knows everything and yet they're all wrong.
I think there is something after this life that is beyond our comprehension, and I think our consciousness continues on. However, heaven and hell are just words and concepts created and defined by man, and the concept of hell especially has been used to control/manipulate others more than anything else. Since it's mostly a human construct, some of the things Yujin is trying to question from a logical standpoint is a waste of time. He's questioning things that are rooted in pure religious dogma. We don't have to give it a name or claim we know all the rules to get there, because we don't know all the rules. They've mostly been made up, but that doesn't mean there isn't something beyond this reality.
Why think that we humans, with our limitations, can understand these things? Hell, heaven, souls etc., (if these are not just concepts created by humans), probably are beyond our understanding. It may be a silly thing to insist on rational coherence for things that are beyond us and our understanding.
Good point, if there is free will in heaven then people can do bad things there as well so it doesn’t make sense, but of course nothing makes sense anyway, no evidence nothing only ideas
We, electrons and so on are (relatively) free because that's the way for God (Consciousness) to play a game in the Multiverse. No freedom, no chosen path, no game...
Every Christian I've ever met always runs from their own bible whenever they don't agree with it. Hell, a Fiery Furnace. Matthew 13:41-42, 49-50 “The Son of Man will send his angels, and they will gather out of his kingdom all causes of sin and all law-breakers, and throw them into the fiery furnace. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. So it will be at the end of the age. The angels will come out and separate the evil from the righteous and throw them into the fiery furnace. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.” Mark 9:43, 48-49 “And if your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life crippled than with two hands to go to hell, to the unquenchable fire…where their worm does not die and the fire is not quenched.’ For everyone will be salted with fire.” Jesus describes hell as a reality and He spoke on hell three times as much as He ever did on heaven, thereby signifying the importance on believing in such a place. Hell is like a fiery furnace and there will be weeping (with anger and/or eternal regret) and gnashing of teeth (in anger and/or in pain). This weeping and gnashing of teeth is mentioned twice so as to emphasize the reality of hell. Jesus also said it is a place not where “the” worm never dies but a place where “their” worm does not die. The fact is that it is their worm which means that it is their own personal gnawing of their conscience for their lifetime of rejecting Christ and this worm never dies, just like the Gehenna fire, which was a trash dump outside the walls of Jerusalem. That was a place where trash was continually dumped and maggots or worms never died off because there was always something thrown onto it so the worms or maggots had a constant supply of food. Hell, A Place of Outer Darkness Matthew 22:13 “Bind him hand and foot and cast him into the outer darkness. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.” Matthew 8:12 “while the sons of the kingdom will be thrown into the outer darkness. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.” And really,, Why should anyone care what the bible has to say about anything?
You should read the Apocalypse of Peter and the description of hell in the quran and then imagine a loving god created that place of punishment for after death while he allows children to be raped and die of hunger in the real life. Very nice gods
Theodicy refers to the need for justice to be administered to the wicked, if not in this life than the next. Hence you need punishment in order to balance the scales. If man can't administer justice, than the Gods (or God) will take over. That's part of the reason for an afterlife, and it is reflected in the East as well as the West. Just in a different form.
@@kootdirker2448 But so rarely are the wicked punished in this life. It's one of the reasons, (though not the most important) that the afterlife was conceived. The most important being the inconceivability of one's own existence being extinguished.
Firs you have to know from were we come, we are in between 2 forces light and darkness, wen you are in a coma, sam time you are in darkness sam times in the light, the creator wants you there good or bad, if you make there a cross bright light, you reaches eternity, if you don’t, the father send you back to try one more time, is the reason of multi universe, if you don’t make there, is not the father is your own madness don’t allow you to see the way to the father. In this life and the next one stay in the light.
When satan and demons rebel against God, not have free will (although still have choice) because not recognize God free will as central authority. Rebellion against God is choice, not free will. God has free will always and only through God is there free will.
I don’t see any reason why God cannot choose to create the world we are living. Without God, how could you even justify if a certain world is BETTER or WORSE than another? By which standard are you comparing the two?
There are no evil people in the paradise because God says in Quran " And We shall remove from their hearts any lurking sense of injury: (they will be) brothers (joyfully) facing each other on thrones (of dignity)."
I have many problems with the idea of Heaven and hell, and one of them is this? Where is the conservation of energy in either of these places? Both are eternal. Both are places of an everlasting scenario: either bliss, or torment. How long will it take to realize that you too are eternal, and cannot die? Very soon, not only will you become accustomed to the conditions, but you will crave to see or experience the place where you are not. Why? Because for Heaven to be eternal bliss, conditions there must be continuously and rapidly improving by orders of magnitude forever, thereby defying a certain law of thermodynamics. Hell would be the same: conditions there must continuously worsen by orders of magnitude with every passing nanosecond, lest the confined soul realizes that due to his immortality, he can sustain no real harm. Then there’s the real estate issue: there’s way more dead humans than living ones. Even with the dead population divided equally, Heaven and Hell surely are bursting at the seams by now! 🕊
I would postulate that your a piece of the Creator energy and thus move into the Heavenly dimensions. While in 3D, your mind keeps you from fully connecting to that piece of Creator within you. Sin is separation from who you really are. There is no Hell, as we are not human, we are all part of the Creator but do not remember as we have this 3D experience of learning and experiencing.
Heaven, being visited by angels, walking with the Great Spirit; all are meditative experiences. Don't believe everything you're told: this one is all politics and manipulation. Enough lies; get to the fact that there was no literal person Jesus. We might learn something about mutual respect.
It bothers me that people who spend so much time and effort thinking about Heaven and Hell, do not hit on the obvious idea that in the spiritual world there is no time and there is no space either. These two facts annihilate all the nonsense that I hear in most of this type of videos.
We don’t speak broken English We speak language We send souls to hell Only figuratively, but what else are we going to do with them You try it. It is hard. They are really in trouble And the police can’t help So what would you suggest?
To say that Heaven is conceived in religious thought as being the exact opposite of hell is a naive and simplistic view that is only compatible with a kindergarten understanding of Judeo-Christian cosmology. Look to the Orthodox Church for a better understanding of this. Heaven is the principle of meaning that in ordering earth (matter) creates reality. So is hell the exact opposite of this? Obviously not, it’s a different idea that is not about the same principles at all. Why do so many scientists think that when it comes to religion no research is required to be an expert. They should know better.
I think we know that he’ll is a fiction as is heaven. There is no god sitting in judgement. These are concepts from another age and whilst interesting our concept of god must be reconfigured. All is god and god is all that’s is where the discussion should start.
Beg to differ: we should start with science and ask what looks like it might be ... god. There is a coherence of Being that is the ground of truth and there is truth itself: in gnostic scripture there is this, "you cannot see the Father but, you can see His light in my face." We can't see past that; only truth can inform us of what might be past that. That's science compared to a statement about Father and Son... kinda similar, as i see it.
@@mediocrates3416 science whilst it is immense in what it can achieve will never explain god. Ultimately the same question arises when seeking to explain god, that is who made god? This has no answer. You can’t get past it. And, is it the domain of science to solve it. We must inherently know god because we are part of this entity.
@@frasermackay9099 Our concept of god must be reconfigured.... are you sure? You must know what they thought, the richness of their thoughts regarding their god...? The truth isn't a book and no one thought so until, after latin liturgy got its claws into non-latin speaking people, someone told them so. The truth now is the same truth as 2000 years ago, it doesn't change. Don't wanna throw out the baby with the ever so dirty bathwater.
.....so much of what we grapple with from the Bible is unknown, or only in part spoken/written of. Eternity is a wholly foreign concept to persons of finite intelligence. How could the Bible with its measly +/-66 books/scrolls accurately describe such concepts to us, how??? We want the Bible to explain high level physics to "prove" that it has divine origin. I will posit a question: what is time as we experience it? Certain dreams seem to last for hours, but only lasted minutes, what is eternity to such a mind? seconds, hours, days? many questions fall outside of the subject matter, and the study guides. It takes a certain amount of faith to get beyond these stumbling blocks. Oh well, Happy new year, and God bless.
I don't see Hell as a punishment but a potential like gravity. "Lead us not into temptation", ie guide us away from the edge, keep drawing our attention away from the edge so that we don't fall off and... SPLAT. "I saw him (Satan) cast down" does not say who did the casting down; as in most other evidenced occurrences here, a person's trajectory is set by their own balance between interests and annoyances, ie their attention, what they focus upon leads them toward a result. God is impartial, as Peter said "God is no respecter of persons", ie is not a racist which echos John the Baptist's warning to the Orthodox fundamentalist Jews that just being born into a certain ethnicity wasn't enough, that there is no such thing as right/just/holy by association. Physical things are happening in the universe, as are also intellectual and emotional things happening in the social realm(s). "We have all fallen short (of Jesus' example/person/righteousness)" is a way of expressing that it's not by works but rather a trajectory, if you fail and learn from it, if you get back up and do better next time, PROVE that you are willing to struggle against ignorance and fight hard against willful ignorance (stupidity, knowing better but doing dumb things anyway), that you are not lazy in your evolution. Again, it's about trajectory and without free will there would be no trajectory at all, just static robotic thought (if it could even be considered thought at all). Consequence can not exist if there is no free will, likewise, free will can not exist without consequence. This is the game we have to play in order to even have consciousness, that there are consequences for our reaction to observances. For example, "That crazy thing out there happened and then I thought about it". In psychology we learn that all frustrations are rooted in un-attained goals. The key to avoiding frustration, as the angels of Heaven, is to understand, to actually comprehend, that nothing can be won or lost, that all there is belongs to everyone, that each of us is a resident of this sand box so don't be an *sshole - ever, you have no reason to be anything but content because all are, by default, both king and peasant. Beyond karma, ie evil 'getting its due' or reaping what is sown, is trajectory. That bad person is driving toward the cliff. The best we can do is attempt to warn them and, instead of hating our enemies, love them because we pity their ignorance (be that willful, ie stupid, or not).
I'm getting bored with this show because I've never seen anyone on it who is familiar with Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu. It's as if Mr. Kuhn wants his search to continue without ever getting to the truth.
Its not smart to talk about concepts of “heaven and hell” knowing nothing about the meanings of hell and heaven in Bhagavad Gita for ex. That so sad that such a smart people can’t effort themselves to read 1200 pages of Paramahansa Yogananda’s Bhagavad Gita explanation. This conversation is so low level one.
Being livestock can be hell and your forced to have kids, basically eternal, next horizon, I think some people might become livestock lol no that’s a stupid idea only common people like me come up with, right?
@Andreaz-64 no , he gave very childish answers ...Why there cant be heaven on earth ? Because no one can see a light if there is not darkness around . How one can feel joy if he never felt pain ...I think is so simple that even a philosopher should catch it.
@Andreaz-64 there is a whole load of catholic philosophers if you wish ...but again the philosopher is really surpassed , jack of all trades master of none .As this guy show the discussion is very low low level.
@@mediocrates3416 I'm much more comfortable thinking of myself as a mortal person or being. Is there a ghost in there? Maybe. But it disappears when I die.
then why you life for ? all your experience will be multiplied by zero ...why you eat , why you learn , why you entertain yourself , why you even care . Soon (relatively of course) you will be dead for eternity and no one will care in 4 millions of years at what you have done .
Isn't it much simpler to think that there is no God, no Heaven and no Hell? And that we are completely responsible for our actions and if we commit a crime we should be punished on earth according to human law? By the way, has anybody come back from the dead (the Jews think that Jesus did not resuscitate)? Do we really have a soul that goes somewhere when we die? Really? All the people who have been temporarily dead and have come back to life, have experienced a state where they saw "things" but those extracorporeal experiences could have been due to lack of oxygen to their brains. I prefer to have values and don't do unto others what you don't want others to do unto you. That's it. I have never thought about Heaven and Hell in my entire life and I know that when I die, my body will decompose and I will only be remembered by my descendants who carry my DNA. Nothing else.
The purpose of the program is to introduce viewers to various philosophical ideas or schools of thought. Your idea of what the truth is may not work for your next door neighbor.
" Why there is no freedom to do evil deed in heaven?"....Talking of a person who is lacking or without WISDOM! Allah created every human to love GOOD THINGS. Allah created human beings to know and able differentiate between good and evil. Allah created life and death to test....who is goin to be patient and doing good deeds! Freewill is given to test to enable one to make choice goodness or evilness. A person may not get everything he wish in this world... because his/her impatient lead them to evil deeds! Every habitant of the heaven can and will get everything he/wish to or desire to....so there no space for evil deeds...! ..... apart from that the Devil and evil human beings for example like Hitler will be in hell so has no chance to influence heaven habitant to do evil deeds...in other words only good people in heaven thus pretty obvious they are people who don't love evil things and wouldn't commit evil deeds... the same as in this worldly life and in the next life .... so NATURALLY nobody going to commit evil in heaven... and no EVILNESS in heaven! Allah reminder through His Prophets and Messengers has been very clear He shall establish the Godly justice in the next life so any person committed good deeds or evil and injustice in this temporal life shall be rewarded or punished accordingly! Secondly there is no excuse then because everyone is given sufficient intelligent to know and able to differentiate between good and evil! It is not wise to question why God doesn't create every person in this world all the same as the habitant of the heaven....why not question oneself... why doesn't...(I'm who know and love good, and love people to do good and just to myself) ....choose and practice good deeds, and reject evilness ...am I a sickly and very irresponsible sadist or a devil follower? Thirdly there are complains why Allah/the God shall at the end forgive Muslim-believers who did committed evils and unjustice ( but died without associated the God with false god) in the world if he sincerely repents? Why complains if you don't believe in God in the first place.... meaning you don't subscribe the existence of the life hereafter ... hell and heaven...so create your own way in the next life as you choose to live your own way of life in this world.... isn't that only just for arrogant to reject the God!
Souls are immortal because information is never destroyed. Law of thermodynamics. Freedom to be is a heaven or hell. Heaven is where we have God. Hell is where everyone is God and God can not sin. We are only free if our environment conforms to our life or failure.
Why dumbing it down with silly things when talking about religion ? Also Nagasawa is very shallow with his arguments ...there is not light without darkness , there is no good without evil . Even a kid should understand it , maybe a philosopher too .
"there is no light without darkness" - if that is indeed a law of the universe, why would God be beholden to that law? Since he created all of reality, he could have created a universe where there is light without darkness, and there is good without evil. By saying that God couldn't have created the universe to be a different way is to deny that he is all-powerful. An all-powerful creator need not be governed by any rules or constraints like the ones you mentioned.
@@jugbrewer because really there cant be light without darkness and really there cant be good without evil ..it's like the 2 dimensions of the same thing. there cant be form without contrast .
@@francesco5581 If it were necessarily true that good can't exist without evil, then evil would be a necessary condition for the existence of a good God. God is good, and according to you good can't exist without the contrast of evil, therefore God can't exist without evil.This would mean that God is not more powerful than evil, because a being can't be more powerful than the conditions which are necessary for its existence. If beings ever stopped sinning, then everything good would vanish because there would be no contrast. Therefore God needs us to sin or else he disappears. See the conundrum your statement creates?
@@francesco5581 The only way out of this conundrum, if you want to believe that God is more powerful than sin and evil, is to believe that "things can't exist without their opposite" is merely a law that governs our particular universe, and God is not beholden to that rule because he is the one who created the universe in the first place. If he was all powerful, he could have created a reality in which good could indeed exist without the necessity of evil.
@@jugbrewer Matter need an anti-matter , death-life, existence - not existence, reality-not reality. There is always an opposite even in mere existence, eternal life-eternal death...even believing in atheism or materialism is choosing a side. And if exist the good the only way it exist its because is a condition that have to be chosen , it cant be given (and here we have the "fairy" of Adam and Eve , you cant be forced to choose the good ). IF we start with consciousness instead of matter then the "choice" "the opposites" are part of mere existence. There cant be a "FULL GOOD" but just infinite shades of it , that is what form the richness of the universe, the infinite characters of living beings, except from the "example" : God or whatever you call it.
If Christianity is true you don’t end up in hell for being bad. And if true guess I’ll be in hell with Anne Frank. If this fact doesn’t trouble the believer,🤔. The concept of a soul seems fictional.
This video has a very misleading title - nothing to do with the contents.
The title is misleading because it's only tangential to the content.
I thought it was going to be anatman and nephesh
When nagasawa ask why isn't earth like heaven and the other guy answered his question saying it for learning purposes yet I don't think he understood that, but I did and it actually makes perfect sense.
Heaven and Hell has certainly lost it's Cachet!
Jeffrey Lang has answered these fundamental questions, his lectures are freely available on UA-cam etc, it's quite strange people don't search answers but only ask questions...
If you think one person has the only right answer, then it is you who is not searching for answers.
You seek by asking questions and not accepting anything, but keep on asking
And Jeffrey lang doesn't know the questions so he doesn't have the answers
@@kootdirker2448 Totally agree. When one clings to ANY religion, they are not a seeker. They are sheep. Christians may worship Jesus, but they sure don't know what the hell he said.
@@danielpaulson8838 they only knows what the preacher tells them. And that happen in all Abrahamic religions
Bruh, Happy New Year 2021 🥳😄
A few points: (1) The four Gospels were written roughly between 70 A.D. and 110 A.D., based on an extensive oral tradition circulating among the first Christians and others about the reported words and deeds of Jesus. (2) Much of the development of the doctrines of Heaven and Hell took place after Jesus's death. The recorded sayings of Jesus on the subject are sparse and sound highly symbolic. (3) Sayings attributed to Jesus refer to the need to believe in him (in some not explicitly identified sense), not the need to believe in every theological doctrine human beings later develop about him.
What MERCY can NOT REHABILITATE , JUSTICE will eventually ANNIHILATE ! No need for hell !
The real hell is here. I can't believe that there could be anywhere worse in the universe than life on this planet. The understanding of what life after death would be is according to our knowledge, intelligence, instinct, nature, experience and senses which are all very limited in our physical body.
Yes, Of course Some people and animals experienced unimaginable suffering. Can hell be worse so that you experience same level of suffering ethereally? That would be extremely sad I don’t see how anyone would deserve that. Of course it’s nonsense. Nobody cares about us so that’s why terrible things happen, what’s so hard to see?
@Erika Wolf - If life on Earth is so horrible... Have you considered moving to something else?
@@jmerlo4119 Yes I surely have.
@@erikawolf3736 and?
@@erikawolf3736 - Hmm! Interesting.
And how did you feel after deciding to stay within our limitations?
A marvelously concise explanation of why a very common belief makes absolutely no sense. That was some artful communication right there.
The "concise" explanation makes absolutely no sense . There cant be light without darkness around (you will not see it) and there cant be absolute good. How is absolute good ?? Cant be quantifiable. Good exist only because there is evil. If you remove evil (or just the "not so good") then free will , freedom , different characters , paths , learning and many more things cease to exists . The explanation of this guy is absolutely ridiculous .
Finally, getting closer too the truth.
The contradictions of faith are quite evident.
and here you are , searching for religion everywhere .
Evident and overwhelming. 😎
@@patrickfitzgerald2861 ✔️
@@francesco5581
Just dropping a red pill on the subject.😁
Great conversation! There is always the most interesting topics on your channel! Always enjoyable. Thanks
I was once told by the spirit realm "freewill was wasted on mankind even the spirituality gifted used this to eddify themselves and not the creator
Interesting, as always. A few pieces are missing (or are nearly missing) from Professor Nagasawa’s puzzle and overall cosmology, and its players:
1. He seems to assume that there are just two main or significant entities/players, God and man. In fact there are others and they are very significant. There are even other categories of entity.
2. He seems to assume that man has great significance (the greatest significance?) within the cosmological picture. The reality is more complex and is even paradoxical. Man is both very significant and very insignificant.
3. He does not seem to allow for, or understand, *ontology*, its possible role, nor the possibility of altered ontology, nor the huge role that altered ontology might play. (The only Being with eternal unaltered and unalterable ontology is God.) It is quite common to characterize a given player by what they have done or could do. What they were, are, and can become is at least as important.
The Soul our consciousness the essence of our being is a type of energy. While the Universe exists it must still exist in some form because energy can't be destroyed it just becomes transformed into something else. I think our souls or consciousness joins with the Universal Collective Consciousness thereby helping the Universe to evolve.
Perhaps the movie "What dreams may come" gives a story of hell, imprisoned by your own mental thought, and it makes sense some pain causes us to psychically fragment to protect ourselves, and the fragmentation is the hell, and it causes you to act out that fragmentation and cause suffering to others whom we project as the cause. Whether everlasting, or ends with our life, hard to say, but it reincarnation is real, our fragmentations maybe pass to a next life.
Thank goodness I'm a Preterist.
At least the Preterist understanding of "hell" is really just describing actual events in history (the fall of Jerusalem in 70AD - "This *generation* shall not pass until all these things are fulfilled").
No heaven no hell. It exists in the figment of feverish imagination of man
When I saw human behaviour I believe hell and heaven.
Thank You and Happy New Year!
To be in Hell is to be permanently cut off from the presence of God, with the knowledge that you cannot progress. This life is a proving ground and a school. There are many levels of Heaven and we will be assigned to the appropriate one. Also, most people think Eternal means unending or infinite when it is really a description of a quality of life - not a quantity.
Anthropomorphic made up nonsense. Believe what you want, but you're paying a high price for all these delusions, whether you realize it or not.
@@patrickfitzgerald2861 If one can pay a price unknowingly then you yourself may be paying a price for your beliefs.
@@anonmouse956 Of course, and I make an assessment of that every day. But I'm much more confident in choosing an evidence based world-view, rather than a magical religious one. You can see the damage that world-view is doing (and has done) everywhere.
Heaven and hell is a genius concept to control people. I wish i came up with it ;)
The answer to Yujin is original sin, we never were intended to engage in evil. We choose it.
Why religion? they want to have access to power that is beyond anything and they just love the idea of something extremely powerful that only helps those in the club. That’s all, it makes them very happy to be part of such a tribe, it makes them superior.
Perhaps our life on earth is a state of being, where we have the freedom to do good and-or bad - from which we pass into a new state of being, when we die, whether it's in heaven or in hell. In that new state, there are an absence of freedom and a change into a pre-determined nature, for good or for evil. In short, there is no evil in heaven and there is no good in hell.
Heaven and hell are metaphorical constructs. They exist as representations of your life. Good/evil, yin/yang, positive/negative, etc are all age old terms. Heaven and hell underwent a slow evolution once the Roman Christians got a hold of it. Hell didn't exist in the original Jewish teachings, but I imagine fear factors were seen to enhance church membership. The Muslims copied the Christians. Hell as we hear it in use today comes largely from Dante's inferno. Next.
For many people heave and hell are more than metaphor, they believe those are places. People who believe in immortal souls have to put them somewhere. Once the leap into fantasy has been made it does take much to imagine fantasy lands.
I find it interesting that an award-winning philosopher of religion would oversimplify the theodicy arguments (why a loving, all powerful, all knowing, and all good God would allow evil to exist). The traditional argument is that God permits freedom of choice, not because freedom is such a valuable moral good, as Yujin Nagasawa here suggests, but because only people with free will can choose to love God freely and, therefore, authentically. If, for example, humans were not free to choose to accept or reject God’s love, then any service, love, or devotion they rendered him would be forced or compelled or programmed into them. If God created us to enjoy a loving relationship with us, we must be free to reject or accept him for our love to be genuine and not forced. Why? A compelled love would be an inferior love (or not love at all) when compared to the love a free moral agent renders. We understand that we cannot force another person to love us and freely spend their life with us in intimate marriage. Any attempt to do so by force, we actually deem a crime (e.g., rape, abduction, sexual slavery). It’s clearly possible for God to make us the equivalent of His love androids or automatons, if you will, beings who love him by design, and do not act against his wishes (sin). However, that would diminish God’s goodness, as He would have to use something akin to force, compulsion, or programming to create an illusory state akin to love but that was not actually love. It would be strange, indeed, if an all-good God could not inspire love and devotion from his subjects without an element of compulsion. Now imagine people who freely and truly fell in love with God. How would they act? They would remain loyal and faithful and true to their love, God, eschewing all other courses of action that would impinge upon their relationship with their greatest love (sin). In the same way, it is possible for a married couple to remain in love, deepen their love with each passing year, and remain faithful to each other through a lifetime. The argument for heavenly perfection is that only those humans who embark on such a life of complete devotion to God, walking so closely with him that they do not wish to act against him-the overcomers, if you will-receive the transformed nature of the new creation, that is, resurrected or transformed bodies and natures (which they will enjoy in heaven and the earth made new), where the influence of sin is removed from their nature and surrounding. If two free moral agents decide to love each other and remain exclusively faithful to each other through eternity, and take on marriage vows, voluntarily giving up their freedom to choose to love others through affairs or a plural marriage, then they have freely accepted a state of enforced wedlock. Is their love thereafter forced or less real? If marriage, a restriction on freedom, does not diminish love, so long as it is freely entered, then why would a transformed heavenly union, so long as it is freely entered by both parties based on love diminish? Interestingly, the biblical metaphor for life with God in eternity is marriage, the wedding day of the Lamb, the great marriage feast. Thus, even if sin were impossible in the hereafter, freedom and love could be real for humans who freely entered that state by choice. Arguably, it would be unloving of God to prolong a state of affairs in which those who sincerely want to live in devotion to him for eternity could fall away through temptation or sin. This argument is not incoherent because even an omnipotent, omniscient, and all good God could not create beings who freely loved him, yet were not free to reject him, just as God cannot make a square circle because it’s a logical impossibility to do so. However, once free beings choose to devote themselves to God, his empowering them to do so perfectly for eternity does not violate their free will or make their love compelled. It empowers their choice and love.
Closer to truth
Maybe we are here to learn how to create our own heaven?!
Perhaps, if we fail to create our own after-life, the default destination is either to remain part of God’s realm (eg Heaven and reincarnation), or be banished to the void.
I think that we look at heaven and hell as an actual place and maybe we need to stop doing this . heaven and hell could actually be what we are living in right now and we have a choice at this very moment to live our lives in heaven or hell and this could simply be of oneself . your inner soul . To be happy where you are in life or to just simply live your life in regret and misery and maybe we carried this through our Death .
One could argue that the freedom of human beings in Heaven is just like their freedom on Earth except for the freedom to act sinfully. Spirits could still do whatever they want, except for sinning. There are so many other choices rather than just to sin or not. The difference with Satan would be that Satan is a being that can sin even in Heaven, which would presuppose that angels are somehow freer than (and in that sense superior to) deceased humans. Just speculating as a non-Christian.
It is a circular argument
Happy New Year!
Thank you. Happy New Years right back at ya.
And to you. Happy New Year everyone
God free will is heaven on earth. Only with God is there free will. When humanity recognize God as central authority, then humanity have free will and overcome evil; when humanity recognize central authority other than God, then not have free will and not overcome evil. Humanity conscious choice under God free will is heaven on earth and overcome evil.
According to scriptures and lore, Lucifer and his supporters were already in Heaven, but then committed some acts of "evil", and got themselves kicked out. So.. in theory, human souls are able to have choices, including to commit evil in Heaven, but risk getting banished.
They got bored and wanted out. 😉
God is all
It is from the Bible that man has learned cruelty, rapine, and murder; for the belief of a cruel God makes a cruel man. The Bible represents God to be a changeable, passionate, vindictive being; making a world and then drowning it, afterwards repenting of what he had done, and promising not to do so again. Setting one nation to cut the throats of another, and stopping the course of the sun till the butchery should be done.
What the world needs is not iron age dogma but an attitude of scientific inquiry combined with a belief that the torture of millions is not desirable, whether inflicted by Stalin or by a Deity imagined in the likeness of the believer..
As man develops, he places a greater value upon his own rights. Liberty becomes a grander and diviner thing. As he values his own rights, he begins to value the rights of others. And when all men give to all others all the rights they claim for themselves, this world will be civilized.
Thanx for sharing your rational perspective with us.. It is refreshing ..
Agreed. Not all humans are as evolved as others. Hateful iron age teachings still being embraced today?
@@danielpaulson8838 The religious submit only to the god who submits to their religion. All works of fiction whose characters are autotheographical are inherently violent.
@@aldenzane9118 And with rare exception, they pretty much just embrace the one they were raised with. No shopping. Just conditioning.
//If we imagine that immortal souls exist, we then ask ourselves, why do they exist? What is the purpose of a soul that exists into eternity?//
i've been asking the same question about God. Not, does God exist, buy WHY does he exist? What is the purpose of God? Why do we need God?
Hinduism (Sanatan Dharma) figured this out long, long ago.
@Lisa Jordan My intent in the comment was to just draw attention to how the heaven-hell problem is beautifully solved in the Eastern, non-Abrahamic religions.
And btw, since you refer to Hindu Gods as Aliens - here’s some food for thought: The image of Christ most followers have in their minds is of how he is typically depicted in beautiful paintings by artists. It is obviously not what he actually looked like in person.
It’s called imagination.
Do read up on the rich symbolism in Hindu Gods & Goddesses.
We suffer simply because of the fallen nature...
Thank you!👍⚡⚡⚡
A friend of mine said that this man is Jackie Chan's nephew ... Is this true? If so, he is awesome and smart. If not, he just an ordinary bloke then
You asking on a thread of opinionated goofballs if that's true without googling it? Lol. That's why everyone knows everything and yet they're all wrong.
I think there is something after this life that is beyond our comprehension, and I think our consciousness continues on. However, heaven and hell are just words and concepts created and defined by man, and the concept of hell especially has been used to control/manipulate others more than anything else. Since it's mostly a human construct, some of the things Yujin is trying to question from a logical standpoint is a waste of time. He's questioning things that are rooted in pure religious dogma. We don't have to give it a name or claim we know all the rules to get there, because we don't know all the rules. They've mostly been made up, but that doesn't mean there isn't something beyond this reality.
Why think that we humans, with our limitations, can understand these things? Hell, heaven, souls etc., (if these are not just concepts created by humans), probably are beyond our understanding. It may be a silly thing to insist on rational coherence for things that are beyond us and our understanding.
Good point, if there is free will in heaven then people can do bad things there as well so it doesn’t make sense, but of course nothing makes sense anyway, no evidence nothing only ideas
We, electrons and so on are (relatively) free because that's the way for God (Consciousness) to play a game in the Multiverse. No freedom, no chosen path, no game...
Every Christian I've ever met always runs from their own bible whenever they don't agree with it.
Hell, a Fiery Furnace. Matthew 13:41-42, 49-50 “The Son of Man will send his angels, and they will gather out of his kingdom all causes of sin and all law-breakers, and throw them into the fiery furnace. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. So it will be at the end of the age. The angels will come out and separate the evil from the righteous and throw them into the fiery furnace. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.” Mark 9:43, 48-49 “And if your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life crippled than with two hands to go to hell, to the unquenchable fire…where their worm does not die and the fire is not quenched.’ For everyone will be salted with fire.” Jesus describes hell as a reality and He spoke on hell three times as much as He ever did on heaven, thereby signifying the importance on believing in such a place. Hell is like a fiery furnace and there will be weeping (with anger and/or eternal regret) and gnashing of teeth (in anger and/or in pain). This weeping and gnashing of teeth is mentioned twice so as to emphasize the reality of hell. Jesus also said it is a place not where “the” worm never dies but a place where “their” worm does not die. The fact is that it is their worm which means that it is their own personal gnawing of their conscience for their lifetime of rejecting Christ and this worm never dies, just like the Gehenna fire, which was a trash dump outside the walls of Jerusalem. That was a place where trash was continually dumped and maggots or worms never died off because there was always something thrown onto it so the worms or maggots had a constant supply of food. Hell, A Place of Outer Darkness Matthew 22:13 “Bind him hand and foot and cast him into the outer darkness. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.” Matthew 8:12 “while the sons of the kingdom will be thrown into the outer darkness. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.”
And really,, Why should anyone care what the bible has to say about anything?
You should read the Apocalypse of Peter and the description of hell in the quran and then imagine a loving god created that place of punishment for after death while he allows children to be raped and die of hunger in the real life.
Very nice gods
Good
Theodicy refers to the need for justice to be administered to the wicked, if not in this life than the next. Hence you need punishment in order to balance the scales. If man can't administer justice, than the Gods (or God) will take over. That's part of the reason for an afterlife, and it is reflected in the East as well as the West. Just in a different form.
Any wrongdoings should be punished in this life no after death
@@kootdirker2448 But so rarely are the wicked punished in this life. It's one of the reasons, (though not the most important) that the afterlife was conceived. The most important being the inconceivability of one's own existence being extinguished.
Eternal hell will break second law of thermodynamics...
And who created the second law of thermodynamics?
@@user-hh2is9kg9j Quantum fluctuations.
Hell is not in this physical world
Firs you have to know from were we come, we are in between 2 forces light and darkness, wen you are in a coma, sam time you are in darkness sam times in the light, the creator wants you there good or bad, if you make there a cross bright light, you reaches eternity, if you don’t, the father send you back to try one more time, is the reason of multi universe, if you don’t make there, is not the father is your own madness don’t allow you to see the way to the father. In this life and the next one stay in the light.
When satan and demons rebel against God, not have free will (although still have choice) because not recognize God free will as central authority. Rebellion against God is choice, not free will. God has free will always and only through God is there free will.
Interesting
I don’t see any reason why God cannot choose to create the world we are living. Without God, how could you even justify if a certain world is BETTER or WORSE than another? By which standard are you comparing the two?
Mr Nagasawa nailed SOME of the logic voids of the heaven/ hell myth, but really just scratched the surface..A very good interview..
Sorry but you forgot about the Purgatory! Happy New Year!
@@jampoles Yea, another strange superstition..
There are no evil people in the paradise because God says in Quran "
And We shall remove from their hearts any lurking sense of injury: (they will be) brothers (joyfully) facing each other on thrones (of dignity)."
Heaven and hell are the rationale and transfinite ends of numbers or laws , turned inside out to our science worlds beginning and ends.
That's my take
I have many problems with the idea of Heaven and hell, and one of them is this? Where is the conservation of energy in either of these places? Both are eternal. Both are places of an everlasting scenario: either bliss, or torment. How long will it take to realize that you too are eternal, and cannot die? Very soon, not only will you become accustomed to the conditions, but you will crave to see or experience the place where you are not. Why? Because for Heaven to be eternal bliss, conditions there must be continuously and rapidly improving by orders of magnitude forever, thereby defying a certain law of thermodynamics. Hell would be the same: conditions there must continuously worsen by orders of magnitude with every passing nanosecond, lest the confined soul realizes that due to his immortality, he can sustain no real harm.
Then there’s the real estate issue: there’s way more dead humans than living ones. Even with the dead population divided equally, Heaven and Hell surely are bursting at the seams by now! 🕊
Well, why should you go to Heaven for eternity based on a finite good life either? That would be morally reprehensible, no?
I would postulate that your a piece of the Creator energy and thus move into the Heavenly dimensions. While in 3D, your mind keeps you from fully connecting to that piece of Creator within you. Sin is separation from who you really are. There is no Hell, as we are not human, we are all part of the Creator but do not remember as we have this 3D experience of learning and experiencing.
Weird to confine freedom to the ability to sin.
Heaven, being visited by angels, walking with the Great Spirit; all are meditative experiences. Don't believe everything you're told: this one is all politics and manipulation. Enough lies; get to the fact that there was no literal person Jesus. We might learn something about mutual respect.
It bothers me that people who spend so much time and effort thinking about Heaven and Hell, do not hit on the obvious idea that in the spiritual world there is no time and there is no space either. These two facts annihilate all the nonsense that I hear in most of this type of videos.
So the spiritual world is 0 dimensional?
@@myothersoul1953 - Yes, exactly.
@@jmerlo4119 Ok, I was thinking it is null dimensional but 0 seems about right too.
Spiritual world do have time and space but it differs from our time and space in this world
@@aqeel747 - Really? How different?
We don’t speak broken English
We speak language
We send souls to hell
Only figuratively, but what else are we going to do with them
You try it. It is hard. They are really in trouble
And the police can’t help
So what would you suggest?
DON'T YOU THINK THIS IS ALL B.S. ? !
@Lisa Jordan
I know Sam Parnia and know what he says . Don't get trapped in Word-Webs ....
@Lisa Jordan
I know Sam Parnia and know what he says . Don't get trapped in Word-Webs ....
Using humans’ limited understanding and logic to understand the incomprehensibility of the ultimate universe is inherently flawed.
To say that Heaven is conceived in religious thought as being the exact opposite of hell is a naive and simplistic view that is only compatible with a kindergarten understanding of Judeo-Christian cosmology. Look to the Orthodox Church for a better understanding of this. Heaven is the principle of meaning that in ordering earth (matter) creates reality. So is hell the exact opposite of this? Obviously not, it’s a different idea that is not about the same principles at all. Why do so many scientists think that when it comes to religion no research is required to be an expert. They should know better.
"Eugene"
I think we know that he’ll is a fiction as is heaven. There is no god sitting in judgement. These are concepts from another age and whilst interesting our concept of god must be reconfigured. All is god and god is all that’s is where the discussion should start.
Beg to differ: we should start with science and ask what looks like it might be ... god. There is a coherence of Being that is the ground of truth and there is truth itself: in gnostic scripture there is this, "you cannot see the Father but, you can see His light in my face." We can't see past that; only truth can inform us of what might be past that. That's science compared to a statement about Father and Son... kinda similar, as i see it.
@@mediocrates3416 science whilst it is immense in what it can achieve will never explain god. Ultimately the same question arises when seeking to explain god, that is who made god?
This has no answer. You can’t get past it. And, is it the domain of science to solve it. We must inherently know god because we are part of this entity.
@@frasermackay9099 Our concept of god must be reconfigured.... are you sure? You must know what they thought, the richness of their thoughts regarding their god...? The truth isn't a book and no one thought so until, after latin liturgy got its claws into non-latin speaking people, someone told them so. The truth now is the same truth as 2000 years ago, it doesn't change. Don't wanna throw out the baby with the ever so dirty bathwater.
.....so much of what we grapple with from the Bible is unknown, or only in part spoken/written of. Eternity is a wholly foreign concept to persons of finite intelligence. How could the Bible with its measly +/-66 books/scrolls accurately describe such concepts to us, how??? We want the Bible to explain high level physics to "prove" that it has divine origin. I will posit a question: what is time as we experience it? Certain dreams seem to last for hours, but only lasted minutes, what is eternity to such a mind? seconds, hours, days? many questions fall outside of the subject matter, and the study guides. It takes a certain amount of faith to get beyond these stumbling blocks. Oh well, Happy new year, and God bless.
and a happy new year to you as well
But we must first believe that god is benevolent - what if that is not so ! Perhaps he doesn’t demonstrate any human emotions at all. Perhaps he’s Ai.
I don't see Hell as a punishment but a potential like gravity. "Lead us not into temptation", ie guide us away from the edge, keep drawing our attention away from the edge so that we don't fall off and... SPLAT. "I saw him (Satan) cast down" does not say who did the casting down; as in most other evidenced occurrences here, a person's trajectory is set by their own balance between interests and annoyances, ie their attention, what they focus upon leads them toward a result. God is impartial, as Peter said "God is no respecter of persons", ie is not a racist which echos John the Baptist's warning to the Orthodox fundamentalist Jews that just being born into a certain ethnicity wasn't enough, that there is no such thing as right/just/holy by association. Physical things are happening in the universe, as are also intellectual and emotional things happening in the social realm(s). "We have all fallen short (of Jesus' example/person/righteousness)" is a way of expressing that it's not by works but rather a trajectory, if you fail and learn from it, if you get back up and do better next time, PROVE that you are willing to struggle against ignorance and fight hard against willful ignorance (stupidity, knowing better but doing dumb things anyway), that you are not lazy in your evolution. Again, it's about trajectory and without free will there would be no trajectory at all, just static robotic thought (if it could even be considered thought at all). Consequence can not exist if there is no free will, likewise, free will can not exist without consequence. This is the game we have to play in order to even have consciousness, that there are consequences for our reaction to observances. For example, "That crazy thing out there happened and then I thought about it". In psychology we learn that all frustrations are rooted in un-attained goals. The key to avoiding frustration, as the angels of Heaven, is to understand, to actually comprehend, that nothing can be won or lost, that all there is belongs to everyone, that each of us is a resident of this sand box so don't be an *sshole - ever, you have no reason to be anything but content because all are, by default, both king and peasant. Beyond karma, ie evil 'getting its due' or reaping what is sown, is trajectory. That bad person is driving toward the cliff. The best we can do is attempt to warn them and, instead of hating our enemies, love them because we pity their ignorance (be that willful, ie stupid, or not).
I'm getting bored with this show because I've never seen anyone on it who is familiar with Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu. It's as if Mr. Kuhn wants his search to continue without ever getting to the truth.
This guy makes a terrible argument.
Its not smart to talk about concepts of “heaven and hell” knowing nothing about the meanings of hell and heaven in Bhagavad Gita for ex. That so sad that such a smart people can’t effort themselves to read 1200 pages of Paramahansa Yogananda’s Bhagavad Gita explanation. This conversation is so low level one.
isn't heaven just a great filter? The reason no one sins in heaven is because there are only do-gooders in heaven?
Being livestock can be hell and your forced to have kids, basically eternal, next horizon, I think some people might become livestock lol no that’s a stupid idea only common people like me come up with, right?
This man contributed nothing to our understanding.
@Andreaz-64 no , he gave very childish answers ...Why there cant be heaven on earth ? Because no one can see a light if there is not darkness around . How one can feel joy if he never felt pain ...I think is so simple that even a philosopher should catch it.
@Andreaz-64 lets stick on this silly argumentation of this so called "philosopher" . Regarding philosophers in general the discussion is too big ...
@Andreaz-64 there is a whole load of catholic philosophers if you wish ...but again the philosopher is really surpassed , jack of all trades master of none .As this guy show the discussion is very low low level.
No soul. No personal immortality. No Heaven. No Hell. Oh well, time to grow up. 😎
Thank you for your very helpful contribution.
You are a soul, by definition. A soul is a living body, that's all. The abiguity comes from bullshit.
@@mediocrates3416 I'm much more comfortable thinking of myself as a mortal person or being. Is there a ghost in there? Maybe. But it disappears when I die.
@@joshheter1517 Even if you're being sarcastic, you're welcome. 😎
then why you life for ? all your experience will be multiplied by zero ...why you eat , why you learn , why you entertain yourself , why you even care . Soon (relatively of course) you will be dead for eternity and no one will care in 4 millions of years at what you have done .
Voodoo is my Spiritual realm.
Ancestors guide me.
🔥 😈 🔥
Good. We need a witch doctor in here.
Who then guided your ancestors?
@@chmd22 Sounds like a million year's of trial and error to me.
@@danielpaulson8838 Lol. Best be careful what you wish for. He might use a voodoo doll on you.
Isn't it much simpler to think that there is no God, no Heaven and no Hell? And that we are completely responsible for our actions and if we commit a crime we should be punished on earth according to human law? By the way, has anybody come back from the dead (the Jews think that Jesus did not resuscitate)? Do we really have a soul that goes somewhere when we die? Really? All the people who have been temporarily dead and have come back to life, have experienced a state where they saw "things" but those extracorporeal experiences could have been due to lack of oxygen to their brains. I prefer to have values and don't do unto others what you don't want others to do unto you. That's it. I have never thought about Heaven and Hell in my entire life and I know that when I die, my body will decompose and I will only be remembered by my descendants who carry my DNA. Nothing else.
Please contact me I'll GOD'S Willing I can answer these questions you guys not able to answer / justify / understand.
once again no closer to the truth.
The purpose of the program is to introduce viewers to various philosophical ideas or schools of thought. Your idea of what the truth is may not work for your next door neighbor.
After you eating a cat , you have more souls?
" Why there is no freedom to do evil deed in heaven?"....Talking of a person who is lacking or without WISDOM!
Allah created every human to love GOOD THINGS.
Allah created human beings to know and able differentiate between good and evil.
Allah created life and death to test....who is goin to be patient and doing good deeds!
Freewill is given to test to enable one to make choice goodness or evilness.
A person may not get everything he wish in this world... because his/her impatient lead them to evil deeds!
Every habitant of the heaven can and will get everything he/wish to or desire to....so there no space for evil deeds...!
..... apart from that the Devil and evil human beings for example like Hitler will be in hell so has no chance to influence heaven habitant to do evil deeds...in other words only good people in heaven thus pretty obvious they are people who don't love evil things and wouldn't commit evil deeds... the same as in this worldly life and in the next life .... so NATURALLY nobody going to commit evil in heaven... and no EVILNESS in heaven!
Allah reminder through His Prophets and Messengers has been very clear He shall establish the Godly justice in the next life so any person committed good deeds or evil and injustice in this temporal life shall be rewarded or punished accordingly!
Secondly there is no excuse then because everyone is given sufficient intelligent to know and able to differentiate between good and evil!
It is not wise to question why God doesn't create every person in this world all the same as the habitant of the heaven....why not question oneself... why doesn't...(I'm who know and love good, and love people to do good and just to myself) ....choose and practice good deeds, and reject evilness ...am I a sickly and very irresponsible sadist or a devil follower?
Thirdly there are complains why Allah/the God shall at the end forgive Muslim-believers who did committed evils and unjustice ( but died without associated the God with false god) in the world if he sincerely repents? Why complains if you don't believe in God in the first place.... meaning you don't subscribe the existence of the life hereafter ... hell and heaven...so create your own way in the next life as you choose to live your own way of life in this world.... isn't that only just for arrogant to reject the God!
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I bet if you write down in a piece of paper the things you believe in your religion, you are going to be embarrassed reading it.
Well some are broadcasting their beliefs all over media.
It sometimes makes me embarrassed that we can be like that
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Souls are immortal because information is never destroyed. Law of thermodynamics.
Freedom to be is a heaven or hell. Heaven is where we have God. Hell is where everyone is God and God can not sin.
We are only free if our environment conforms to our life or failure.
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Why dumbing it down with silly things when talking about religion ? Also Nagasawa is very shallow with his arguments ...there is not light without darkness , there is no good without evil . Even a kid should understand it , maybe a philosopher too .
"there is no light without darkness" - if that is indeed a law of the universe, why would God be beholden to that law? Since he created all of reality, he could have created a universe where there is light without darkness, and there is good without evil. By saying that God couldn't have created the universe to be a different way is to deny that he is all-powerful. An all-powerful creator need not be governed by any rules or constraints like the ones you mentioned.
@@jugbrewer because really there cant be light without darkness and really there cant be good without evil ..it's like the 2 dimensions of the same thing. there cant be form without contrast .
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If it were necessarily true that good can't exist without evil, then evil would be a necessary condition for the existence of a good God. God is good, and according to you good can't exist without the contrast of evil, therefore God can't exist without evil.This would mean that God is not more powerful than evil, because a being can't be more powerful than the conditions which are necessary for its existence. If beings ever stopped sinning, then everything good would vanish because there would be no contrast. Therefore God needs us to sin or else he disappears. See the conundrum your statement creates?
@@francesco5581 The only way out of this conundrum, if you want to believe that God is more powerful than sin and evil, is to believe that "things can't exist without their opposite" is merely a law that governs our particular universe, and God is not beholden to that rule because he is the one who created the universe in the first place. If he was all powerful, he could have created a reality in which good could indeed exist without the necessity of evil.
@@jugbrewer Matter need an anti-matter , death-life, existence - not existence, reality-not reality. There is always an opposite even in mere existence, eternal life-eternal death...even believing in atheism or materialism is choosing a side. And if exist the good the only way it exist its because is a condition that have to be chosen , it cant be given (and here we have the "fairy" of Adam and Eve , you cant be forced to choose the good ). IF we start with consciousness instead of matter then the "choice" "the opposites" are part of mere existence. There cant be a "FULL GOOD" but just infinite shades of it , that is what form the richness of the universe, the infinite characters of living beings, except from the "example" : God or whatever you call it.
If Christianity is true you don’t end up in hell for being bad. And if true guess I’ll be in hell with Anne Frank. If this fact doesn’t trouble the believer,🤔. The concept of a soul seems fictional.
There was evil in Heaven but Lucifer was banished to Hell