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Lovely! *_...and the Word was God!_* Just as God is *_Unconditional Love,_* He is also other intentions, namely *_Perfect Responsibility, Utter Humility,_* and *_Fearless Confidence._* In creating the physical universe, God pressed His essence upon the notion of an *_opposite,_* forming the idea of dichotomy (action-reaction, good-evil). Thus, the *_four elements of Darkness (physical reality)_* are, ** Space -- anti-Love, for space separates us while Love brings us together; ** Time -- anti-responsibility, for time requires that we let go of a creation (remove our responsibility) for it to persist. And Christ's wisdom, that the truth will set you free, is the opposite side of God's resting -- that of reclaiming responsibility, much as a trauma victim takes responsibility for the acts of others against them, thus making forgiveness suddenly effortless, and setting them free from their burden. ** Energy -- anti-Humility, for energy boasts of what it can do -- the power of position and rank, the power of money and the power of influence. Only the truly humble can gain new knowledge on the road back to Truth. ** Mass -- anti-Confidence, for mass enslaves spirit with its intricate persistence and the force of gravity, which, when taken to an extreme, can trap even light. By this realm of dark opposites (the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge of Good-Evil), God was giving meaning to the gift of *_free will,_* for man (Adam Kadmon), now made physical, could experience and come to understand the consequences of his decision whether or not to remain a cog in this action-reaction, deterministic physical realm, or to gain true freedom by returning, as spirit, to the realm of perfections in Heaven.
Lot saw the 2 angels and bowed down and worshipped them, (Worshipped-- H7812 - šāḥâwith) This was a custom back then. . Genesis 19:1 “And there came two angels to Sodom at even; and Lot sat in the gate of Sodom: and Lot seeing them rose up to meet them; and he bowed himself (Worshipped-- H7812 - šāḥâwith) his face toward the ground;” . Genesis 23:7 Then Abraham rose and bowed down H7812 - šāḥâ before the people of the land, the Hittites. Genesis 33:3 He himself [Jacob] went on ahead and bowed down H7812 - šāḥâ to the ground seven times as he approached his brother [Esau]. Genesis 42:6 Now Joseph was the governor of the land, the one who sold grain to all its people. So when Joseph’s brothers arrived, they bowed down H7812 - šāḥâ to him with their faces to the ground. Matthew 18:26 “The servant fell on his knees [proskuneo] before him. ‘Be patient with me,’ he begged, ‘and I will pay back everything.’
“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.” John 1:1 NKJV “And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.” John 1:14 NKJV
What a humble person! To admit this publicly, is astounding. I’m glad he loves Bible truth. At around 11 mins., he explains “obeisance”, from the Greek “proskyneo”. The same word (proskyneo) is used in the LXX (Greek Septuagint) where Abraham “bows down” to the sons of Heth.
*_"Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom is a right sceptre. Thou lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness: therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows."_* Jesus is referred to here as God anointed as the Messiah by God (the Holy Spirit), HIS God the Father. Jesus God does have his God the Father.
@@Viral_Christology Hebrews 1:8 Interesting. The New World Translation puts it this way: “But about the Son, he says: “God is your throne forever and ever, and the scepter of your Kingdom is the scepter of uprightness.” The American Standard version puts it this way.: “but of the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever; And the sceptre of uprightness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.” The Bible in Living English this way: “but as to the Son “God is your throne forever and ever, and the scepter of integrity is the scepter of his reign.” The Emphasized Bible: “but as to the Son-Thy throne, O God, is unto times age-abiding, and-A sceptre of equity is the sceptre of his kingdom,” The King James Bible: “But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.” So either way, what does it mean? Is it literal? Poetic? What do we know of the throne? We know that Jehovah, the Father sits on the throne, and Jesus, the son, sits at his right hand. Psalm 110:1 Hebrews 12:2 and 10:12 and 1:3 Acts 2:33,34 and 5:31 As a side note, where does the Holy Spirit sit? Not even an honorable mention? So I guess, it all depends on which Bible you prefer to use, and which Bible is in harmony with other scriptures, as a full context. For example John 20:17, mentioned earlier, (King James) says “Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.”
I tried to lead many people , especially Muslims to this the videos and to the web site! I really need a church like this in Guyana where I live to knock the trinity doctrine out of existence! Thank you bro, may you raised up many more like you in our youth of today , thank you again.
@@timothys4864 HE said the Father is the only true God. And can god have a god ? John 20:17? Does god have to pray to another god ? Jesus prayed to the Father/....Trinity teachers make up their own Scripture.
Just great! Great explanation. Many blessings to all the brothers who share these believes. Let's hope they all come around. Ismael, Kingdom Christian from sunny ☀️ Puerto Rico.
“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.” John 1:1 NKJV “And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.” John 1:14 NKJV
Sir the King James Version of the Bible has many flaws. John 1;1 has been translated incorrectly. Many scholars say that the passage should read, "..., and the Word was a god." If Jesus were the God almighty himself, who was Jesus talking to when shortly before his death, Jesus called out: “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?” If Jesus were God himself, the almighty, why would he cry out these words? Think about it. Really ponder over it. What you believe in, is a false teaching. The Trinity is a false belief.
Jesus is not God. It is all over the scriptures. You just quoted from John 1;14 which says Jesus was begotten. That means brought into existence by God. At the beginning of his ministry, Jesus quoted Isaiah 61: 1 and 2, which was about him when he spoke at the temple. Read these words and listen intently. Isaiah 61: 1-2 says, "The spirit of the Sovereign Lord Jehovah is upon me, Because Jehovah anointed me to declare good news to the meek. He sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, To proclaim liberty to the captives And the wide opening of the eyes to the prisoners, To proclaim the year of Jehovah’s goodwill And the day of vengeance of our God, To comfort all who mourn," Jesus is not God. Take note that Jesus says that he was anointed by God to declare good news. He said that God sent him to bind up the brokenhearted. He did not say that he came at his own accord. He said that he comes at God's command. Does this prove that Jesus was not Jehovah God? Please reason properly.
''And the word became flesh''....correct. Check out 1 John 4: 2&3. He who does not confess that Jesus Christ came in the flesh, is NOT from God....and is an antichrist. Now please notice that John writes the office of Jesus....Christ. In the Greek, the word for, ''The anointed one'', is Christ, and in the Hebrew it is MESSIAH. In the list of names, attributes and offices of our great God, you will NOT find the name MESSIAH/CHRIST, because God is not the Christ, only Jesus is the Christ. Christ/Messiah is an epithet used only for Jesus, not God. This proves that Jesus is not God.
Psalm 8:5: "Thou has made him little less than heavenly beings." Referring to the verse in Heb. 2:7, and applies it to Jesus, saying, "For a short while, he was made lower than the angels, that he might be capable of suffering death." Jesus was less than God or lower than the angels. How could he be "less than God" and still be Absolute God? This presents a problem in logic.
@19samjohnson Does the Spirit of God live in the born again christian ? Doesn't the christians' own spirit live within him ? How can a believer pray to God who is in him and all around him ? Because God and Christ are united spirits. In this world God is manifested in the flesh through the faithful Christian. I pray to God in heaven aware that His presence dwells within me also. To mankind God is only visible when clothed in visible flesh. Was Jesus the Son of God ,but not God manifested in the flesh ? Jesus was and is the Son of God as well as being God manifested in the flesh,the Word of God. In the mind of man 1+1=2. In the mind of God 1+1=1. Jesus could pray to the Father in heaven and at the same time have the Spirit of the Father within him. So God is the Father and the Son in one body. If your earthly fathers Spirit was in your body united with your spirit who would you be ? Both. In the sight of man.
*_"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word WAS GOD._* *_And the Word was made FLESH, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth._* *_No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten GOD (Theos), which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him."_* (John 1) *_"And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the FLESH, is not of God; and such is the spirit of Antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come, and even now already it is in the world."_* Can't get any clearer than that: a spirit that denies that Jesus is the Word of God AND God manifested in the FLESH is Antichrist. That's you, people.
If Sid Hatch didn't repent of his Antichrist doctrine of dem0ns he went to the place of everlasting shame and contempt because I don't think an antichrist can inherit eternal life.
@@Viral_Christology Read Luke 1:1 and tell me...what beginning is John talking about? The beginning of the word made flesh or the beginning of Genesis 1? See also John 1:1-2 concerning the beginning of the Word. The problem with your argument is it is assuming John 1:1 refers to Genesis 1:1.
@@snaphaan5049 Your diabolical trick will not help you in any shape or form. John 1 says Jesus is the Word of God AND God. The rest of the Bible makes it crystal clear that Jesus is Yahweh God, who repeatedly appeared in human form to select saints in the Old Testament.
The trinity is idolatry. How to get born again/saved: Romans 10:9-10 9 If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved.
@@izziebon stop already, there is no verse that supports trinity. All the ones used are just assumptions. On the other hand there are plenty where Jesus himself said he is inferior to get Almighty.
The belief that Jesus is equally God changes everything in the New Testament. Trinitarians don't seem to notice this. 😕 What kind of sacrifice was it really if God merely sent a part of himself to die for a few days? How can a part of God be tempted with sin? If Jesus is God then those temptations & testings were meaningless cause he always had the power to overcome them. Who would a part of God need angels to comfort him?
The state of modern day Christianity is most terrible indeed. As we now live in a world obsessed with the worship of a god that is nowhere declared, taught or worshiped anywhere in Bible history. A situation that has become so bad, that we now have masses of people completely blinded to the reality that they worshiping a god completely unlike the GOD of Jesus Christ. In addition to this, and as though things could not get any worst, these same people will go as far as to tell legitimate believers and followers of Christ, that they need to stop following Jesus, in-favor of following a doctrine and worshiping a god that is nowhere found in scripture. With that being said, I cannot think of a worst predicament with regard to the state of Christianity in our day. As it is obvious that we live in a world completely deluded by Satan the devil, and to the point of influencing millions of would-be Christians into spreading lies and leading people away from their victory in Christ!
@SmalltimR It's probably worse than you think. It was for me. I've been studying the different denominations for a couple of years now. Everytime I dig into another one I'm horrified by what it is they teach. I knew Catholicism and Mormonism were Abominations and MUST Be a product of demonic influence. What I didn't know was that is equally true of the more benign denominations. Presbyterians. Methodists. Even these guys are blatantly anti scriptural.
@@bobbycecere1037 Hello Bobby Cecere, and thank-you for taking the time to respond to my comment! I'm thinking my comment will read more along the lines of a rant than a source of encouragement - and for that I must apologize I've been struggling with the reality of matters following my own determination in carrying-out the commission by Jesus Christ, of which has lead to my conclusions on the state of Christianity today. Granted it is not fair to paint with broad strokes under the Christian label this way, though the state of things seem sufficient to warrant the shocking conclusion that a great majority of Christianity today are under Satan's influence. Which is not only incredibly painful to realize, but terribly frustrating to experience. Granted its not always bad, and I must admit that I have been blessed with reason on more than one occasion over the years, though there is a a part of me that believes that we should never accept the reality of matters when it comes to the state of Christianity, for fear that when we do, we will have lost the sensitivity and desire to walk in the truth - my two cents Here again, thanking you for the response, and to say GOD bless and a wonderful day!
Why the Anointing?, If... Jesus were GOD... the Father GOD... or Holy Ghost GOD?... the triune doctrine is shame on all those believers in Christ Jesus the Messiah!
Sid Hatch is the personification of the definition of Antichrist. *_"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word WAS GOD._* *_And the Word was made FLESH, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth._* *_No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten GOD (Theos), which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him."_* (John 1) *_"And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the FLESH, is not of God; and such is the spirit of Antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come, and even now already it is in the world."_* Can't get any clearer than that: a spirit that denies that Jesus is the Word of God AND God manifested in the FLESH is Antichrist.
It can get a lot clearer, if you read it in the Greek instead of a very poor English translation. There are also over 400 translations of John 1 which are not supportive of the Trinity.
@@izziebon It doesn't matter what translation you read, the Bible is crystal clear that God is the Trinity and the Messiah is Yahweh God manifested in the flesh.
@@Viral_Christology I have a printed list of them, but it’s too long to put on here. These more scholarly translations of John 1:1 all say ‘the Word was divine’ or ‘ the Word was a god’… that’s the way it reads in Greek.
A wonderful sermon. I too have been baffling with Trinity for a long time. I always thought and prayed that it would have been much better and sensible if God and Jesus are two personages, because from what I read it the Bible it was very hard for me to believe a triune God. Pastor Hatch had a wonderful demeanour and today is the first time I came across in the internet. Unfortunately I learned that he passed away. when I checked about his death, there are many Sid Hatchs who have died at different dates, the latest being January 3. 2021. He is a blessed soul anyway.
*_"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word WAS GOD._* *_And the Word was made FLESH, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth._* *_No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten GOD (Theos), which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him."_* (John 1) *_"And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the FLESH, is not of God; and such is the spirit of Antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come, and even now already it is in the world."_* Can't get any clearer than that: a spirit that denies that Jesus is the Word of God AND God manifested in the FLESH is Antichrist. That's you, people.
John 1:1 is clarified by verse 14 & 18. Phil 2:1-9 is also clarified by verse 11! The CONTEXT is clear that' God the Father' is always extolled as greater than his 'Son', who HE sent, whom he ANOINTED, WHOM He strengthened. Whom HE resurected. Whom HE sat him at his right hand. Whom HE wil send to judge the world. Its ALWAYS the FATHER who is is charge & responsible for EVERYTHING!
it's comforting to know that people are understanding true pic of Jesus and denying trinity. Next step is easily, understanding that Jesus was second last prophet, Muhammad Peace Be Upon Him being the last one
Jesus Jesus is the word of GOD not GOD . He shows us that when he shows us how to pray . Matthew 6:9 (KJV) After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. He did not say pray to him , but to the FATHER. Matthew 12:50 (KJV) For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother. These tell us about Jesus . That he is a savior only and not GOD . John 3:14 (KJV) And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: Numbers 21:8-9 (KJV) 8 And the LORD said unto Moses, Make thee a fiery serpent, and set it upon a pole: and it shall come to pass, that every one that is bitten, when he looketh upon it, shall live. 9 And Moses made a serpent of brass, and put it upon a pole, and it came to pass, that if a serpent had bitten any man, when he beheld the serpent of brass, he lived. 2 Kings 18:4 (KJV) He removed the high places, and brake the images, and cut down the groves, and brake in pieces the brasen serpent that Moses had made: for unto those days the children of Israel did burn incense to it: and he called it Nehushtan. See how Jesus compares himself to the serpent , that we don’t make the same error as these people did.
@@Romans--pe4yh John 1:1 (KJV) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. All it is saying is GOD spoke everything into existence . You have to add to it to get something different . How do we know GOD , by signs and wonders , NO . Through HIS WORD . Read Genesis again .
@@Romans--pe4yh I don’t claim Jesus is the word but only carrying the word as we should . You claim to walk as Jesus walked . To do so you must have the word in your heart . Matthew 12:32 (KJV) And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the [world] to come. You can speak against the Son of man ( Jesus ) but not the Holy Ghost. If he was GOD would it not be a sin to speak against him ? Beware of the idol you build in your heart .
Thank you Pastor Hatch. I enjoyed your presentation. Unfortunateyl there will always be ignorant people who will refuse to hear the truth, the truth of God and Jesus, They love their Greek myth and will go to great extreems to protect it. The problem is they believe in "a" God, they just don't believe God!!!
Lot saw the 2 angels and bowed down and worshipped them, (Worshipped-- H7812 - šāḥâwith) . Genesis 19:1 “And there came two angels to Sodom at even; and Lot sat in the gate of Sodom: and Lot seeing them rose up to meet them; and he bowed himself (Worshipped-- H7812 - šāḥâwith) his face toward the ground;” . Genesis 23:7 Then Abraham rose and bowed down H7812 - šāḥâ before the people of the land, the Hittites. . Genesis 33:3 He himself [Jacob] went on ahead and bowed down H7812 - šāḥâ to the ground seven times as he approached his brother [Esau]. . Genesis 42:6 Now Joseph was the governor of the land, the one who sold grain to all its people. So when Joseph’s brothers arrived, they bowed down H7812 - šāḥâ to him with their faces to the ground. . Matthew 18:26 “The servant fell on his knees [proskuneo] before him. ‘Be patient with me,’ he begged, ‘and I will pay back everything.’
The man is a good example I think. He has such a love for truth, the is willing to be considered a pariah by those who are inclined to accept beliefs uncritically, or as is often the case, have axes to grind. He loves his role-model so much, he is ready to leave the relative safety of pharisaic Christian theology.
If you want to explain the Trinity just do what people have done over the centuries tell them it's a mystery that can't be explained only accepted by faith.
so much truth in that statement... Amos 3:7; Surely the Lord God does nothing. Unless He reveals His secret counsel. To His servants the prophets. Luke 8:17; For all that is secret will eventually be brought into the open, and everything that is concealed will be brought to light and made known to all.
@edwinbell3255:---Its not a Mystry that cannot be explained. Of course it can be explained. And it's not as mysterious as you apparently believe. It is people's motivations influencing the objection that seem to be the problem. Your issue seems to be The Trinity. Jesus is The Son of God. He alone is the God kind of Son because He came from above proceeding from The Father. God comes from eternity so does Jesus. The Spirit of God is same as God. From eternity (past) God has The Holy Spirit.
17:37 since he was a John 1, why stop at verse 1? ...And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth You can't misinterpret if you consider verse 14 as well.
Bless the Lord, O' my soul! I am so thankful for revelation of Jesus Christ as conveyed by the Prophet Isaiah in Isaiah 9:6, "For unto us a child is born (we agree that this is JESUS), unto us a son is given (again he's speaking of JESUS!): and the government shall be upon his shoulder (the reveal of JESUS in His Millenial reign as Christ that is to come!): and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor (descriptions of JESUS!), The mighty God (what you say? That's JESUS!!), The everlasting Father (there it is! JESUS!!), The Prince of Peace (that's nobody BUT JESUS!!)." There's no need for further dissections, reinterpretations, additions or subtractions! GOD has spoken concerning who He is, and let the church say AMEN!!!
I’m not a trinitarian… but I do believe in Christ’s existence in heaven before becoming man… I wonder how the people, who believe he didn’t exist until being born of Mary, would reconcile the “firstborn of all creation” verse
Nope, you all still wrong, no matter how you twist the Trinity, Jesus is God's son? How and in what way is Jesus God's son.? If he Jesus holds no ecoequality with God, then what position do he hold. As a normal prophet? I'd like to know please share.
I asked a similar question. What does he mean by son of God. Because if I am the son of my father we are 2 seperate persons who share in 1 essence because we are 1 family. So if Jesus is of the fathers essence, and the father is God then that should mean Jesus is God because he shares in the essence of his father
Most trinitarians know the trinty doctrine is wrong .. against what Jesus taught and has pagan origins ect etc like so many other church teachings .. but find it difficult to admit they've been misled! Like the saying goes "it's easier to fool someone than to convince them they've been fooled"!
Sometimes, when the context requires the word to amplify God’s majesty. At other times the word ‘El’ (singular) is used. See Ps 10:12,13 for both usages and context.
@@MathewThomasFET Elohim is the Hebrew plural of the majesty of God. Look it up in a decent Lexicon. The root for ‘God’ is ‘El’ and there are many variants of it depending on the context and relationship being used in the phrase.
Manifest means revealed. Jesus revealed the true meaning of Gods word. John 3 v 34. Acts 3 v 22 = Deuteronomy 18 v 18. Read the original quote and try in vain, to turn this Prophet into GOD. It simply cannot be done.
@@astutik8909 It is evident that you don’t believe that Jesus is God. Are you a member of Jehova’s witness❓ You say that Jesus revealed “the true meaning of God’s word”. A deceitful addition to assert that He did not reveal God but only the meaning of God’s word ❓😭Starting with Jn 1:1 there are several verses which say that Jesus is God. 1 Tim. 3:16 says “God was manifest (revealed). He was NOT revealing the “meaning of God’s word” but revealing God. Please don’t add to the Scripture.
@@astutik8909 Read them very carefully. You are silent on whether you are a member of Jehova’s witnesses. How do you draw the inference that revealing God means revealing meaning of God’s word ❓Have you read the previous verses❓Does Jn. 1:1 mean that Jesus is God or as Jehova’s witnesses say, He is a god❓According to you Jesus is a prophet ❓Can a mere prophet be on the throne along with God❓Rev. 22:3-5. Read Rev. 17:14; 19:11-16; Tim. 6:15. Who is King of Kings and Lord of Lords ❓A prophet or God❓
Psalms 32:5 NKJV I acknowledged my sin to You, And my iniquity I have not hidden. I said, “I will confess my transgressions to the LORD,” And You forgave the iniquity of my sin. Selah
This is what needs to be reconciled! How do you explain that Daniel spoke with and one like the son of man with eyes like fire and voice like many waters just like the one John spoke with in revelation. He must have pre-existed his incarnation. Right?
I know that JESUS CHRIST IS THE MESSIAH " YOU CAN NOT BE SAVED WITHOUT BELIEVING IN HIM . HE IS THE ONLY WAY TO THE FATHER AND ETERNITY IN HEAVEN". YOU DENY JESUS AS YOUR SAVIOR, THEN YOU'RE GOING TO HELL 🔥.
No, we believe Jesus Exist and is Son of God and the Christ Messiah means The Anointed One. John20vs17 Jesus said to her, “Do not cling to Me, for I have not yet ascended to My Father; but go to My brethren and say to them, ‘I am ascending to My Father and your Father, and to My God and your God.’” 30 And truly Jesus did many other signs in the presence of His disciples, which are not written in this book; 31 but these are WRITTEN that you may Believe That Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and THAThat Believing you May Have Life in His Name*. John3vs36 He Who Believes in the Son Has Everlasting Life; and He Who Does Not Believe the Son Shall Not See Life, but The Wrath of God Abides On him.” 2Cor5vs17 Therefore, if anyone is IN CHRIST, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new. 18 NOW ALL THINGS ARE OF GOD, who has reconciled us to HIMSELF=GOD THROUGH Jesus Christ, and HAS=GOD GIVEN*** us the ministry of reconciliation, 19 that is, that GOD WAS IN CHRIST reconciling the world to Himself, not imputing their trespasses to them, and has committed to us the word of reconciliation. 20 Now then, we are ambassadors for Christ, as though GOD were pleading through us: we implore you on Christ’s behalf, be reconciled to God. 21 For HE=GOD MADE HIMJC who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of GOD IN HIM. WE MUST BE IN CHRIST TO RECEIVE THE HOLY SPIRIT. EX33vs20 But He said, “You cannot see My face; for no man shall see Me, and live.” John1vs18 John5vs37 1John4vs12.20 Jesus is The Mediator 1Tim2vs5 Gal3vs20 Now a mediator does not mediate for one only, but GOD IS ONE. JESUS also is the HighPriest Ps110vs4 Hebr5vs5.6 Hebr chapter 6,7 Col1vs18 And He is the Head of the Body, the Church, who is the Beginning, the Firstborn from the Dead, that in All Things He may have the Preeminence. Rev1vs5,6 Col2vs9 For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead BODILY 10 and you are complete in Him, who is the Head of all principality and power. JOHN17vs12 Why Only Bodily? JESUS Has also His Own Will. Hebr10vs7 Then I said, ‘Behold, I have come- In the volume of the book it is written of Me- To do Your will, O God.’” Hebr5vs8 though He was a Son, yet He learned obedience by the things which He suffered. Why Must God Confirm Jesus that He is Begotten and is His Son. Ps2vs7 Hebr1vs5,6 Hebr5vs5,6 WHY WE ALWAYS MUST BE IN CHRIST? JESUS IS THE MEDIATOR. EX33vs20 But He said, “You cannot see My face; for no man shall see Me, and live.” 21 And the Lord said, “Here is a place by Me, and you shall stand on the rock. 22 So it shall be, while My glory passes by, that I will put you in the cleft of the rock, and will cover you with My hand while I pass by. 23 Then I will take away My hand, and you shall see My back; but My face shall not be seen.” 1Tim2vs5 Col3vs1 Jhn5vs37 Jhn1vs18 1Jhn4vs12.20
Jehovah's Witnesses have been championing the one true God of the Bible, Jehovah, for over 140 years. They have taken the heat, persecution and scorn from the mainstream churches for it. Christendom created it's own god in the 4th century; giving more credence to Greek philosophy and pagan myths than God's Word. Jesus foretold that in the time of the end, "this good news of the kingdom will be preached throughout the entire inhabited earth, and then the end will come." (Matthew 24:14) They alone have been proclaiming God's Kingdom by his Son, Christ Jesus, as the only hope for mankind. The churches cling to political schemes of men. Now is the time to "Get out of her my people, if you do not wish to share with her in her sins". (Revelation 18:4)
@@timothys4864 Such a question would require that we first qualify what it is that makes GOD, GOD. Otherwise, we risk arguing strawmen as a result of improperly defined terms and definitions. For example, when we look to Isaiah 44.24, we find YHWH's declaration of His nature, what it is that qualifies Him as GOD; _Thus says Yahweh, your Redeemer, and he who formed you from the womb: _*_"I am Yahweh, who makes all things_*_ who _*_alone_*_ stretches out the heavens; who spreads out the earth _*_by myself_* - Isaiah 44.24 Therefore and as the word, is identified as having a source and cause, the conclusion is that it is not equal-to or GOD itself, but it is identified as coming from GOD and in subjection to GOD Himself.
@@timothys4864 The Bible reveals the following; a) Prior-to coming to earth, Jesus was in the form of GOD - a spirit b) Following this and upon emptying Himself, Jesus took-on the form of a human - flesh c) And finally, and following Jesus' resurrection, Jesus is identified as a son of man in a glorified body on the Messianic throne in heaven - something else? Therefore and should we based our view on GOD's written word, Jesus took-on various forms since the beginning spoken of in Genesis, whereas His original form was likely that of a spirit in heaven like His own GOD and Father.
As previously outlined, and should we base our view upon scripture, the conclusion is that Jesus would have effectively been born, when GOD spoke His first commandment(word). With that said, and should we limit our view to what which is written, then the conclusion is that Jesus most likely preceded the beginning spoken of in Genesis, in-that He would have been with GOD in eternity. Of which, some would argue that the notion of an event such as GOD speaking, would not thus change from an eternal-state and onto a temporal one, and so-on and so-forth. Though I myself prefer not to get caught-up in philosophical arguments of this nature in-favor of what the Bible teaches in matters.
God is One and ALONE Besides me There was no God formed Neither shall be after me In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God Jn1:1 (14) and the Word made flesh And dwelt Among us HIS NAME IS =JESUS In the beginning was the Word IN THE BEGINNING WAS JESUS And the Word was with God AND JESUS WAS WITH FATHER And the Word was God AND JESUS WAS FATHER JESUS SAID THE FATHER IS THE ONLY TRUE GOD Jn17 God was manifest in the flesh (1Tim 3:16) Or God Come in the flesh HIS NAME IS =JESUS He was in the World and the World was made by him and the World knew him not ( Jn1: 10 Kjv) THE WORLD WAS MADE BY HIM ( Not Them) Jesus made the World ALONE He came to his own but his own receive him not Jn1: 11 John said for many deceivers have gone out into the world who do not confess Jesus Christ come in the flesh this is Deceiver An Antichrist (2 Jn1:7) John said only one sat on the throne Rev 4:2 Paul said Jesus throne is forever and ever heb1:8 QUESTION Where is the Throne of Others...?
Genesis ch 1:26 and GOD said, let US amen John ch 1 is showing the pure unity between the FATHER and the SON The Blessed LORD is the only way to the FATHER Amen john 14:6
Lord Jesus was not spoken by the Father into existence but was begotten, speaking is the intimation of creation , Jesus was not created but begotten, there is great deference, begotten was like born by The Father in the eternity past. Jesus is Devine Because He is of the same substance as the Father I’m believing that trinity is not biblical teachings, but Divinity of Jesus is biblical, Father gave Jesus all what Father had , Father is God of Jesus, but Jesus as Devine as the Father because this what The night Father decided. First Adam was created by Jesus, not begotten, Second Adam / Jesus/ was begotten by Almighty Father do not mix this to issue together, they are greatly distinct. Lack of understanding what begotten means, create all this confusion regarding Divinity of Christ, again He was not created by God the Father He was Begotten, great deference. If Jesus was not Devine He would be able to die for our sins , if He was created He would only render His duty to the law as all created being have to do , but He did not had any duty to the law because He is the Law Only on this platform He was able to undertake our salvation. Create being can not undertake our salvation, this is impossibility. So if you reject Jesus as Devine God , you have also rejected Him as your savior, created being can’t save you and Bible call Him Savior, He offers us His righteousness, He would not have righteousness to offer is He is created being This theory that Jesus is created is not making any sense if you see His role in the plan of salvation. Maranatha
The Sons' glorified body houses both the Spirit, who is the Father, that dwells united with the Spirit, who is the Son. The Holy Spirit is refered to in scripture as The Spirit of God and The Spirit of Christ ( Rom.8:9). So for all intents and purposes Jesus Christ is God.
God is Spirit JN 4:24 God was manifested in the Flesh his name is JESUS JESUS said it is the Spirit gives life the flesh profit nothing the word that I speak to you are spirit and are life (jn 6:63) JESUS FLESH= profit nothing, he is a man, son of man and son of God hung and died on the cross JESUS SPIRIT= is the Father gives life, his Words are Spirit and are life SPIRIT AND FLESH= ONE I and my father are one The father that dwells in me does the work One body One Spirit For what man knows the things of a man except the Spirit of a man which is in him him...? even so no one knows the things of except the Spirit of God (2cort 2:11) Jesus said I am one bear witness of myself and the Father who sent me bear witness of me (Jn 8:18 KJV) QUESTION: Who is the Father that bear witness of Jesus..? ANSWER; This is he who came by Water and Blood Jesus Christ, not by Water Only but by Water and Blood and it is the SPIRIT bear witness because the SPIRIT IS TRUTH (1Jn5:6) JESUS SPIRIT IS TRUTH JESUS SPIRIT IS THE FATHER JESUS SPIRIT IS THE WORD JESUS SPIRIT IS THE LIFE JESUS SPIRIT IS THE HOLY GHOST 1JN5:7 THREE RECORD IN HEAVEN The Father, The Word, and the Holy Ghost these three are One=JESUS SPIRIT 1Jn5:8 THREE WITNESS ON EARTH Spirit, Water, and Blood and these three are One=JESUS FLESH He was in the World and the World was made by him And the Word knew him not (Jn1:10 Kjv) THE WORLD WAS MADE BY HIM (NOT THEM) Jesus made the World ALONE John said Jesus is the true God and eternal life (1jn5:20) Paul said Jesus is the great God and savour Titus 2:13 John said only one sat on the throne Rev 4:2 Paul said Jesus Throne is forever and ever heb1: 8 Question Where is the Throne of Others..? If God is 3person..? Where is the Throne of Jehovah, Yahweh, Adonai, Elohim, Yhwh, ect...? If they are TRUE GOD..? Paul said but even if we or an angel from heaven preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you let him be Accursed Gal 1: 8 God is I AM God was manifest in the flesh (1Tim3:16) Jesus is I AM Jesus said before Abraham was I AM John said for many deceivers have gone out into the world who do not confess Jesus Christ come in the flesh this is Deceiver An Antichrist (2Jn1:7)
God have mercy on you, you poor deluded person. You have created your own Bible. I didn't know the holy ghost even had a name. Did God change his name to Jesus? You are so mixed-up to even to rebuke you any further, would be a waste of time - Why cast pearls before swine.
The Word "was" God. When Elohim said, Let There Be Light! Elohim became Yahweh (Genesis 2:4) and now the Word is "with" God. The Son of God or God The Son who proceeds from the Father. John 16:28
John 1:1 speaks of God and the Word. The word “theos” (god) appears two times in verse 1. The first time when it refers to God it has the definite article “the” (ho theos). The second time when it refers to the Word it does not have a definite article. It is indefinite. This shows that God and the Word are not the same. That is why some Bible translators render the second part of the verse “and a god was the word” or “the word was divine.” Note also that John 1:1 says that "the Word was with God". Someone who is with another person is not the same as that other person. The phrase "God the Father" appears many times in the New Testament, but the phrase "God the Son" does not appear at all. If Jesus was the second person of the Trinity, you would think that this phrase would appear. Neither does the phrase "God the Holy Spirit". On the other hand, Jesus is referred to many times as "God's Son" or the "Son of God".
@jollyrancher521 Yes. Was God: Elohim. With God: Elohim. Yahweh is elohe of elohim Deuteronomy 10:17 God the Son or Son of God are interchangeable with Jesus because Yahweh raised Jesus from the dead and exalted Him to The Throne. Revelation 3:21 To him who overcomes, I will grant to sit with Me on My Throne as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His Throne. Praise God And The Lamb forever and ever. Revelation 5:13
Genesis 1:26 And *God* said, Let *us* make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. God said let US, PLURAL. John 1:1-3 *1In the beginning was the Word,* and the *Word was with God,* and the *Word was God.* 2The same *was in the beginning with God.* *3All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.* God the Father, God the Word (Jesus Christ). Genesis 1:1-2 In the beginning *God created the heaven and the earth.* 2And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the *Spirit of God* moved upon the face of the waters. God the Father, God the Word, God the Holy Spirit in Genesis Chapter 1 verse 2. Genesis 19:24 Then the *LORD* rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire *from the LORD* out of heaven; Either God stuttered here or there are TWO in this passage. Deuteronomy 6:4 Hear, O Israel: *The LORD our God is one LORD:* If I said to people standing around me, "Hear me people, your friend Chad is one Chad," it would be a redundancy, and make no sense. John 6:46 *Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father.* NO MAN has seen God the Father. Hebrews 1:1-3 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, 2Hath in these last days spoken unto us by *his Son,* whom he hath appointed heir of all things, *by whom also he made the worlds;* 3Who being the brightness of his glory, and the *express image of his person,* and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, *sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;* The Son (the Word) made the worlds (John 1:1-2, Genesis 1:1-2) God the Father is a person, as is Jesus Christ, as He is the EXPRESS IMAGE of His Father. Jesus Christ sat down on the RIGHT HAND of the Majesty (the Father) in the third heaven. How can a mere man sit with God on His throne, how does God sit NEXT to Himself? Daniel 7:13-14 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the *Son of man* came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the *Ancient of days,* and they brought him near before him. 14And there was *given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.* The Son of man here is the pre-incarnate Jesus Christ, and the Father is called the Ancient of Days. The Son CAME TO the Father. Daniel 3:24-25 Then Nebuchadnezzar the king was astonied, and rose up in haste, and spake, and said unto his counsellors, *Did not we cast three men bound into the midst of the fire?* They answered and said unto the king, True, O king. 25He answered and said, *Lo, I see four men loose,* walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; *and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God.* Can a man walk in fire? Who was this Son of God? Matthew 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name *Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.*
Genesis 1 3. God said let there be light. Jehovah God spoke everything into existence. Using his words. The word was with God. You have Genesis 1 26 correct. Let us go and make man. Jesus was with God. John 20 17 Jesus said touch me not for I have not ascended to my Father. But go to my brethren and tell them. For I will ascend to MY FATHER and your Father to my God and your God. John 3 16. For so God loved the world he gave his ONLY BEGOTTEN SON. For so whomever shall believe in him. They will have everlasting life. Forgive them Father for they know not what they do. Jesus cried with a loud voice saying. FATHER into YOUR hands I commit my spirit.
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. John 1:1 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth. John 1:14
A fantastic Unitarian passage! This passage is heresy to Trinitarians: John 1:18 (NASB95) No one has seen God at any time ... If Jesus IS God in verse 1, then no man has seen Jesus! If you read John 1:1 as a Trinitarian you have: "In the beginning was the Son, and the Son was with the Father, and the Son was the Father. This is clearly heresy under Trinitarian doctrine! Trinitarians have no clear way of reading this passage UNLESS they say that the different "God"s in verse one mean different things, like maybe one of them means "Father", and one means "God".
@@timothys4864 I'm sorry, can you ask that another way, I'm not sure what you mean ... your "if" and "then" don't seem to line up? If Jesus is not God, then Jesus began to exist when God caused him to exist I guess? Sorry if that's not what you were asking?
This is what Jesus was talking about. There will come in the last days men being decieved. If you don't believe Jesus is the I AM of the old testament, they will die in thier sins.
You're promised Heaven on one condition: follow the commandments and follow Jesus who told you that hadn't told you everything. Why don't you, Christians, check and search for the one who had the full and last revelation of God. If everyone is saying we're close to the end of days, when do you think Jesus's prophecy would come true?
@@MathewThomasFET I have listened at least 50 hours of debates and presentations from Bible on why trinity is false doctrine and why trinity is true. And my conclusion based on evidence is that trinity is a false doctrine which started spreading from Constantine and Catholic church. Believing that Jesus is Son of God firstborn of all creation-only begotten son and not existing forever on his own like Yahwe is not rejecting Christ. The same claim can be made if Jesus is not the second person of eternal God and you worship him as he would be is false worship. Revelation 4 is showing what is the worship for Yahwe and Rev.5 what is the praise for Jesus Christ. It's defenitly not the same. And there is no worship for the Holly Spirit. And even more important what you have wrote it looks like you don't know what the gospel of salvation is. Believing in trinity or not is not the gospel of salvation. 1.Cor.15:1-4 and Rom.3 is our gospel of salvation, believing that Christ died for our sins, was burried and rose on 3rd day, blood atonment for forgivnes of all our sins. We are saved by grace through faith-what Christ has done for us not by our works, not by trinity doctrine. God gives the free gift of slavation to those who believe. Accepting Jesus as your Lord and saviour is not gospel of salvation, inviting Jesus into your heart is not gospel of salvation, and water baptism is not gospel of salvation. Giving life to Jesus is not gospel of salvation. These are all false man made gospels of salvation and many people are deceived by this the most fundamental knowledge what saves a person. Gal.1:8 is a warning for those that preach false gospels of salvation.
Amen. God is not the author of confusion. The idea of Trinity is absolute confusion and there for cannot be true. Take note also, one thing nobody can say against. It is nowhere found in the NT that you HAVE to believe Jesus is God to be saved. No, so why introduce confusion into God's Simple Salvation Plan? No, I see now we must reject Trinity as a confusion to man and which has no part in Salvation.
This was the last thing that didn't make sense. Now I understand all the teachings. And I love the name of this channel as we have much more reformation to accomplish. We stopped much too soon 500 years ago. But I have faith we are on the right track after listening to this message. We must continue to purge all of Roman Paganism out of our churches.
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. ISAIAH 9:6 ........................key words spoken of the son here , THE mighty GOD ...AND ....THE everlasting FATHER . the holy spirit is not a power of God , where does it ever say this? the spirit is referred to interchangeably with the Father and the Son because these are all just titles for God who can and has manifest in forms to accomplish his will in various times , including the body , Jesus is not some other being , and if you say he is and worship him , you sir are in idolatry , God will not share his glory with another , you ever wonder how Jesus can be the FIRST and the LAST both? how Jesus can have ALL POWER , how Jesus can be the name above EVERY NAME? ... the list goes on , God is one , Jesus Christ is he , dont be so caught up with the flesh and bones , God is a spirit , who manifest IN that body .
Please use your sense. 1. Commandment says , l am only God don't bring other gods against my face. God is only God. Jesus is a servant of God according to your Bible.
This man is dead in his sins and leading many more of you to hell even from the grave. All Satan needs is one person through which to spread his destruction. Looks like he’s successful. Jesus was God in the flesh on earth. You can believe him or die in your sins.
Christ is to be worship as the Father because this is a will of the Father , Jesus is only begotten Son of The Mighty Father , Jesus was begotten not created , He is of the same substance as the Father, He is creator , only God can create There was a time in eternity past when Jesus was begotten by the Father , only Jesus was begotten , everything thing else was created and created by Jesus, I agree Holy Spirit is the power and presence of Jesus and the Father , but Jesus is might God because Father made/ not creating/ Him so. Maranatha
Timothy S - I've shown you just a few samples of the Scriptures that prove what I have been saying all along! Like you said to me before are you going to deny the proof of many Scriptures right before your eyes? Finally Timothy S - You worship what you do not know but I worship what I do know for Salvation comes from the Jews❗ Not from Roman pagan Religion which you have been deceived and have bought into the Lie of the Trinity! O Timothy S - Awake thou that sleepest, and stand up from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light. 🐟Ephesians 5:14 - GNV Notwithstanding for this cause was I received to mercy, that Jesus Christ should first show on me all long-suffering unto the ensample of them, which shall in time to come believe in him unto eternal life. 🐟🐟Now unto the king -everlasting,❗immortal,❗invisible,❗unto God only wise, be honor, and glory, forever, and ever, Amen.❗ 🐟1 Timothy 1:16-17 - GNV Yours Truly; 🐟Panhandle Saint Peter, a Prisoner of Christ Jesus❗
Lot saw the 2 angels and bowed down and worshipped them, (Worshipped-- H7812 - šāḥâwith) This was a custom back then. . Genesis 19:1 “And there came two angels to Sodom at even; and Lot sat in the gate of Sodom: and Lot seeing them rose up to meet them; and he bowed himself (Worshipped-- H7812 - šāḥâwith) his face toward the ground;” . Genesis 23:7 Then Abraham rose and bowed down H7812 - šāḥâ before the people of the land, the Hittites. Genesis 33:3 He himself [Jacob] went on ahead and bowed down H7812 - šāḥâ to the ground seven times as he approached his brother [Esau]. Genesis 42:6 Now Joseph was the governor of the land, the one who sold grain to all its people. So when Joseph’s brothers arrived, they bowed down H7812 - šāḥâ to him with their faces to the ground. Matthew 18:26 “The servant fell on his knees [proskuneo] before him. ‘Be patient with me,’ he begged, ‘and I will pay back everything.’
begotten is born and what is born is not eternal. God the Father is the creator not Jesus. Rev.4 worship to Father God as creator, Rev.5 praising Jesus Christ Son of God for what he has done. Jn.20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
I don’t believe in the Trinity, I believe that God is One - yet I also believe Jesus was God! Because He and His Father were One. And Jesus quoted scripture that says the God told us that we are gods (Elohim). We are divine by nature because God is in us, but our sins inhibit our natural unity with God in us. Christ came as an example for how we can come back into unity with God. We can be one with the Father, we can claim our godhood - but must remember that even Jesus, who was one with God, prayed to the One. We are just a small aspect of the One, not the totality. Nor are we a truly separate, distinct division of the One, we have only fallen into dark ignorance of the One Spirit already residing in us.
@@lizzard13666 can you share some resources if you have them, can we find more on this person n his teachings, this is really where the scriptures point in my opinion
In John 8:58 Jesus is not declaring himself to be God. Some believe Jesus is making an allusion to Exodus 3:14 where God says, “I AM THAT I AM,” according to the King James version. But Jesus did not use that expression. He used the Greek expression “ego eimi” (“I am”), which was a common phrase used by several people in the Bible. For example, in John 9:9 the man who Jesus cured of blindness said “ego eimi”, meaning that he was the one cured by Jesus. In Acts 10:21, Peter used “ego eimi” to say, “I am the one you are looking for.” In John 8:58, Jesus is simply saying that he existed before Abraham. “Before Abraham was born, I am.” (Koine Greek does not distinguish between upper and lower class letters as if "I AM" were a title.) Other translations translate this verse to more proper English: “Before Abraham was born, I have been” or “I existed before Abraham was born.” Rather than claiming to be God, Jesus prayed to his Father calling him “the only true God” in John 17:3. Jesus only claimed to be God’s Son. (John 10:36)
@ King James Bible For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counseller, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Isaiah 9:6
@@TheRamon333 When Jesus said, "If ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins," who was he claiming to be? God? In verse 42, Jesus said, "If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me." He said he came from God. God sent him. He was not saying that he was God. In verse 54, Jesus says, "If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God." Jesus always referred to his Father as God. Jesus does not honor himself. His Father, God, is the one who honors him. Jesus only claimed to be God's Son. Verses 35 and 36 say, "And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever. If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed."
@@TheRamon333 Isaiah 9:6 refers to the Messiah as "Mighty God" using the Hebrew term "El Gibbor," not "El Shaddai," which translates to "Almighty God." So the title "Mighty God" does not equate to the ultimate, omnipotent deity. This is made clear in the New Testament. In 1 Corinthians 8:5-6, Paul writes, "For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as indeed there are many 'gods' and many 'lords'), yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live." Here, Paul distinguishes between the Father as "Almighty God" (YHWH, often translated as Jehovah, see Psalm 83:18), and Jesus as "Lord." The Bible describes God as the one who raised Jesus from the dead and exalted him, making Jesus "Lord" and giving Him authority over heaven and earth (Acts 2:32-36, Matthew 28:18). This act by God makes Jesus the "Mighty God," showing that he has divine authority because it was given to him by God, not because he's the same as the Almighty. So, even though Isaiah 9:6 labels the Messiah as "Mighty God," it doesn't mean he's the same as or equal to "Almighty God."
Jesus is not God, but the problem with people who believe that is that they denegrate him to a lower level than he deseves/ Jesus speaks what hisFahter gives him to speak, when you see Jesus you see God, all the miracles Jesus performed were performed by God who indwells him, Jesus and the Father are on, one lor, and in a sense one God because Jesus funtcions as God through God who indwells him.
There's a faster path to realizing that Jesus is not God. What you do is you take his word for it. The problem comes in when you start taking Paul's word for it. Because I general most people introduced to the Bible are told this is all true. But if you read Paul's work with a little scrutiny you'll discover that Paul outs himself as a liar, complaining that if it advances the kingdom that he lies why should he be called a sinner. And it's simple hes bearing false witness. He says that the law was ordained by angels and says that keeping the law is bondage. Jesus however explains that sin is bondage and following God's will is freedom. Paul gets it backwards thinking that keeping the law is bondage and sin is liberty. Not to mention that Jesus clearly stated that heaven and earth would pass away before one jot or title of the law And prophets passes away. So since we are on earth and we await Jesus to return and fulfill the rest of prophecy in both the Torah and the prophets we can be sure those still stand. We also know from reading exodus that God himself spoke the law to the children of Israel from the cloud on the mountain. And God himself spoke them to Moses after he climbed the mountain. And then God wrote them on tablets with his own finger and gave them to Moses. And Moses broke those tablets and went up again where God once again wrote them on tablets with his own finger. So what would I listen to a man that denies God. Denies his prophet Moses as well. And to top it all off Paul admits further that he determined to learn nothing of Jesus from the 12, but rather would only learn about the crucifixion. Which means Paul decided to learn nothing of Jesus life and teachings while he was here on earth. Denying Jesus entirely. And he only learned from his revelations. Paul's revelations are problematic as well. When Jesus disciples asked of his return. Jesus was careful to say that when he returns every eye will see. And made mention if they say they saw me in the wilderness, (which the road to Damascus is) do not go after the. If they see me in the inner chamber (Paul says Jesus stood by him in an inner room) don't go after them. So I doubt entirely what Paul has to say. Jesus warned us of this. If you read deutoronomy chapter 13. God warned us well. If there arises a prophet who shows signs and wonders, and the tells you to go after other gods, you will cling to the law of God. He's testing you whether you love him. Paul also when he coins the phrases old and new testament, puts forth the idea that when Jesus was on the cross. God died. And that's why we aren't under his law. And Jesus took his place. Which is horrible. Psalms says a fool says in his heart that God is dead. So Paul can only be considered a fool. Paul also when he claims to be a pharisees of pharisees says that he kept the law perfectly from birth. But in acts before this he makes it clear that he was a murderer and. Blasphemer. Those two things cannot be true. But a pharisee he definitely proves to be. Since Jesus described the actions of pharisees as hipocrits. Teaching but not doing. Which is beautifully admitted to by Paul when he explains his gile and deceptive behavior. Being as a jew to jews as a gentile to gentiles. As under the law with people who are under the law. Which is the exact hipocrisy Jesus describes. Nearly everything Paul teaches can be refuted with Jesus's words. So we know for sure when he says he learned nothing from the 12 and was determined only to learn of the crucifixion of christ that he was honest. Because if you want to believe Paul you must abandon God and Jesus. Because if you believe Paul. You can be a liar. You can be a deceiver. You can ignore all the commandments of God. You can ignore all the teachings of Jesus. You can forget about God's mighty work in exodus bringing the hebrews out of captivity. Moses never talked to God. God never gave the commandments to begin with. And God is dead and replaced with his son and a new covenant where all you have to believe is that Jesus died and ressurected and you'll be righteous. But are you really righteous when you've abandoned God abandoned good work abandoned all the teachings of Jesus. And followed a man who is a deceptive liar and says so bragging about his cunning, and that he captured you with guile, while telling you that if you do God's will your risk salvation. See I know that if someone says to disobey God, that they are a liar. Your supposed to learn this back in the garden of eden when the serpent tempts eve to disobey God. And all Paul turns out to be is a fool who listened to Satan when he appeared to him as an angel of light on the road to Damascus.
JESUS IS NOT KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS. 1 Timothy 6:15-16 15 which God will bring about in his own timet-God, the blessedu and only Ruler,v the King of kings and Lord of lords,w 16 who alone is immortalx and who lives in unapproachable light,y whom no one has seen or can see.z To him be honor and might forever. Amen.
King of kings and Lord of lords refers to both of them, unless it’s just a misleading statement in revelation 17:14. It’s completely possible, in both of them having those titles being correct, or it being a misleading statement.
Scriptures show that the title King of Kings and Lord of Lords was originally held by YHWH Himself. Following this and subsequent to Jesus' coronation to the throne, we then find the title was given to Jesus Christ in power. Therefore and with that being said, the conclusion is that title of King of Kings and Lord of Lords is now held by Jesus Christ as a result of the authority bestowed upon Him GOD.
@@timothys4864 Based on what you've written, I get the feeling your contention is likely due to not having established what makes GOD, GOD. And so on that note, I'd posit the following Bible declaration, in-where GOD reveals what it is that makes Him GOD(His nature); _Thus says Yahweh, your Redeemer, and he who formed you from the womb: _*_"I am Yahweh, who makes all things_*_ who _*_alone_*_ stretches out the heavens; who spreads out the earth _*_by myself_* - Isaiah 44.24 Therefore and as can be seen here, YHWH GOD, is the Most High GOD due to the fact that He is the source and cause of all things, which include, though not limited-to; His word itself; *_By Yahweh's word,_*_ the heavens were made; all their army by the breath of his mouth... _*_...9For he spoke,_*_ and it was done. _*_He commanded,_*_ and it stood firm_ - Psalm 33.6-9 _so shall _*_my word be that goes forth out of my mouth:_*_ it shall not return to me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing I sent it to do_ - Isaiah 55.11 In addition to this and with respect to GOD's nature, it is also apparent that no other; being, person of thing could qualify equality with GOD Himself, as all things are of GOD and where GOD is the source of all things. Of-which Jesus Himself affirmed by identifying His own GOD and Father as the only true GOD, GOD Almighty, His GOD and our GOD, etc, etc. - hope this helps
Very sad to see this. Christ is very clearly God. (John 20:26-28)....but He is not God The Father. He is The Son in The Father's Nature (Philippians 2:5-11)
I tend to think this statement, was his astonishment in Yeshua being alive again, and then his realization that because Yeshua was resurrected, God actually existed. Because if you have seen Yeshua in his resurrected form, you have seen that God actually exists at the same time.
DEAN- So your previous answer does not show that Jesus existed as just a plan, it does not show that Jesus never spoke to anyone before His Incarnation, and it does not show that Jesus was just future tense in David's day. This is all your assumption, but no actual proof. But we will put that aside for now. I will use "Yahweh" as referring to God the Father. You said that you believe Jesus existed prior His Incarnation, just not as a conscious personal agent. But I asked "At what moment in time did Jesus begin to exist in any form? You said, "as soon as Yahweh thought of him". So at what moment did Yahweh first think of Jesus? If Yahweh knows all, and He knows the future, and Jesus was a plan of Yahweh, then Yahweh has always known about Jesus. This would mean that Jesus has existed eternally, whether as a plan or something else. Now if Jesus existed eternally as a plan, then He was not created. If Jesus only existed as a plan and the plan was not eternal, then at some point in the past Yahweh did not know about Jesus. This would mean that Yahweh does not know everything. Do you believe that, I don't think you do. So once again, when did Yahweh first think of Jesus? The bible verses you gave show nothing about WHEN Jesus was initially thought up as a plan by Yahweh.
Dean - 1. To use 1 Cor 13:12 to try and disprove the trinity is not very wise because this verse can be used to disprove unitarianism or anything since nobody except God knows everything. I could easily use this verse also and say you do not fully understand God which is why you do not understand the trinity. So this is just red herring.
2. The bible clearly teaches that Jesus became 100% man and dwelt among us. This is shown clearly in John(which you deny) and other places. The bible shows Jesus existing as a conscious being before the incarnation, just not as a human being. God the Father is a conscious being also, yet not a human being either.
3. Do we have bible verses that show Jesus existed in human form before His incarnation? Yes.
4. Do we have verses that show Jesus existed as a conscious being before His incarnation but not as a human? Yes. You said you have studied the bible for a long time, if you have then I am surprised that you have not read any of these passages or studied them.
Dean - You said - I just wanted to add something on to your last reply, but it's gone now! We are specifically told that Jesus didn't speak to anyone before his birth, so I'm basing part of my view on specifically that: Hebrews 1:2 (NASB95) in these last days has spoken to us in His Son ... This specifically tells us that Jesus never spoke to them in the Old Testament times! That is false and not what the verse says at all. Why do you keep taking what verses say and then telling me they say something that they do not. Two very important points on this. 1. All this verse is saying is that Yahweh does not speak to us through the prophets anymore but through the Son. Nowhere does it say that Yahweh NEVER spoke to us through the Son in the past. The verse does not say that Jesus NEVER spoke to anyone in the OT. It only describes some ways through which the people were spoken to in the past. We know that there were other ways, but they are just not mentioned here, for example, visions and dreams.
If you told me that in the past you spoke to your parents by telephone, should I take that to mean that you NEVER spoke to them in person face to face? No, all you are saying is that you spoke to them by telephone in the past. I would be assuming something that is not there. That is what you are doing with Heb 1:2. 2. Now you use Heb 1:2 as an example. Let's look at this for a moment. Heb 1:1-2 (NASB) - 1 God, after He spoke long ago to the fathers IN(en) THE PROPHETS in many portions and in many ways, 2 in these last days has spoken to us in(en) His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom He also made the world. Earlier when discussing Col 1:16 you said - "In him" absolutely seems to mean that Jesus was not there. [In(en) Him.] Heb 1:1 uses the same Greek word "en" to describe how Yahweh spoke to us in the past. It says - 1 God, after He spoke long ago to the fathers "IN(en) THE PROPHETS" in many portions and in many ways, Now if you are consistent then you will have to say that the phrase "IN(en) THE PROPHETS" means that the prophets were not there either. Also in verse 2 it says that in the last days Yahweh spoke to us "in(en) His Son". If "in(en) Him" in Col 1:16 means that Jesus was not there, then "in the prophets" means that the prophets were not there, and in these last days "in His Son" means Jesus is not there speaking. Therefore Yahweh did not speak to us in the past and Yahweh is not speaking to us in the last days. Will you agree to that? I don't think so otherwise you be contradicting yourself.
@@timothys4864 Sorry Tim, I think you're confused about the word "in". It certainly DOESN'T mean the exact same thing in every case, for example: "I'm in trouble" and "I'm in the building". One of those "in"s is about WHERE I was, the other "in" implies a state or circumstance and doesn't actually say anything about where I was, it certainly doesn't mean I was physically located in a place called "trouble". This is how you're using the word "en" in the Bible, you have to simply look at the context to see what is logically being said by the author. Sometimes there might be 2 possible readings, and you have to go with the one that's the most likely. So there's no problem with using "in" in a different sense in both Heb 1:1-2 and in Col 1:16. Second, I want to reiterate that I assumed NOTHING in my previous reply where I gave all those verses. The verses' plain meaning is that Yahweh was not the Father yet, and that He will one day in the future. I think you can't possibly read Heb 1:1-2 and not see what I'm saying. The Son (Jesus) didn't speak to people in the Old Testament. God spoke to people through "various ways" and prophets etc. Lastly, I would like you to please provide Bible verses that say what you're claiming, instead of just ad hominem attacks please. Show me clear direct verses that state Jesus existed in human form before his conception. Please also provide those verses you said you had about Jesus existing consciously before his birth.
@@lizzard13666 I will give the verse in the OT after you answer the question I asked before. You have not answered it and do not say that you did. You gave another ambiguous answer but will not tell me When Yahweh first thought of Jesus. I will repeat the question. When did Yahweh first think of Jesus? The bible verses you gave show nothing about WHEN Jesus was initially thought up as a plan by Yahweh. Heb 1:1-2 does not say that the Son did not speak to anyone in the OT. You are once again lying and twisting the verse. You also go translation shopping and are not honest with the verses. You use the NASB to try and support your claim on Col 1:16, but avoid the KJV. But then you try to use the KJV with Wayne when it suits you.
I believe in Jesus Christ The son of God and my father God and I no that Jesus Christ is not God the Father I would love to have someone to come to my town and talk to the church they believe that Jesus Christ is God I truly tried to talk to them but they don't listen to me I don't know what to do God bless you 🙏🙏🙏
You are a great scholar. Honesty bringeth forth honesty and truth. To die believing there is only one God, is the rationale of/for our existence. It would have been great to have accepted Al-Islam. But Allah ( Azawajal) promises that whoever believes there is only one God, will eventually enter Paradise and those who associate partners with Allah, will never smell the fragrance of Paradise. Once you abandon the trinity, the next step is to read (KJV)John 16 V 12-14 and follow what it says. Once you do, you find it leads to only one destination, Prophet Mohammad and Al-Islam. May Allah guide us all, ameen.
God the righteous Judge - Psalms 50: 16 But to the wicked God says: “What right have you to declare My statutes, Or take My covenant in your mouth, 17 Seeing you hate instruction And cast My words behind you? 18 When you saw a thief, you consented[c] with him, And have been a partaker with adulterers. 19 You give your mouth to evil, And your tongue frames deceit. 20 You sit and speak against your brother; You slander your own mother’s son. 21 These things you have done, and I kept silent; You thought that I was altogether like you; But I will rebuke you, And set them in order before your eyes. 22 “Now consider this, you who forget God, Lest I tear you in pieces, And there be none to deliver: 23 Whoever offers praise glorifies Me; And to him who orders his conduct aright I will show the salvation of God.”
You and Islam are preaching a different Jesus. Islam is definitely NOT the original teaching of Jesus of Nazareth. When you turn form your wicked and sinful ways and confess them to the God of Israel in humility, then the salvation of God will be revealed to you in Jesus Christ.
The Bible we have today is the same one Mohammad affirmed in the Quran. This is a historical fact. Mohammad said that Jews and Christians should live by what this book told them. This means that if the Bible contradicts the Quran, we should listen to Mohammad and follow the Bible!
@@lizzard13666 turn to the God of 10 commandments. Follow 10 commandments of God. 1 commandment, God said don't bring other gods against my face. 2.commmandment, don't worship and idol.
@@NorKim-f3b Yep. I read the Bible regularly, I'm familiar with the 10 Commandments. Where are the 10 Commandments in the Quran? I love the 10 Commandments, why are you bringing them up?
@@edwardlongfellow5819 I know who Jesus is , he's my savior ☝️. You sound like the passage below. Romans 1:28-32 King James Version 28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; 29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, 30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: 32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them
@@jeffreypetree7163 I feel that you have gone completely beyond the pale in your opinion of me. When you speak of haters of God have you ever considered the plight of a people mentioned in Numbers 31:17-18 King James Version 17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. 18 But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves. Do we not find God encouraging the awful practice of genocide in this Passage?
@@edwardlongfellow5819 listen Guy I'm 100% believer in JESUS CHRIST,. I hope you are 👀 but your twisting up scriptures which isn't a good thing . I'll pray for you .. 🙏☝️🙏☝️🙏
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Lovely! *_...and the Word was God!_* Just as God is *_Unconditional Love,_* He is also other intentions, namely *_Perfect Responsibility, Utter Humility,_* and *_Fearless Confidence._*
In creating the physical universe, God pressed His essence upon the notion of an *_opposite,_* forming the idea of dichotomy (action-reaction, good-evil). Thus, the *_four elements of Darkness (physical reality)_* are,
** Space -- anti-Love, for space separates us while Love brings us together;
** Time -- anti-responsibility, for time requires that we let go of a creation (remove our responsibility) for it to persist. And Christ's wisdom, that the truth will set you free, is the opposite side of God's resting -- that of reclaiming responsibility, much as a trauma victim takes responsibility for the acts of others against them, thus making forgiveness suddenly effortless, and setting them free from their burden.
** Energy -- anti-Humility, for energy boasts of what it can do -- the power of position and rank, the power of money and the power of influence. Only the truly humble can gain new knowledge on the road back to Truth.
** Mass -- anti-Confidence, for mass enslaves spirit with its intricate persistence and the force of gravity, which, when taken to an extreme, can trap even light.
By this realm of dark opposites (the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge of Good-Evil), God was giving meaning to the gift of *_free will,_* for man (Adam Kadmon), now made physical, could experience and come to understand the consequences of his decision whether or not to remain a cog in this action-reaction, deterministic physical realm, or to gain true freedom by returning, as spirit, to the realm of perfections in Heaven.
Lot saw the 2 angels and bowed down and worshipped them, (Worshipped-- H7812 - šāḥâwith) This was a custom back then.
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Genesis 19:1 “And there came two angels to Sodom at even; and Lot sat in the gate of Sodom: and Lot seeing them rose up to meet them; and he bowed himself (Worshipped-- H7812 - šāḥâwith) his face toward the ground;”
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Genesis 23:7
Then Abraham rose and bowed down H7812 - šāḥâ before the people of the land, the Hittites.
Genesis 33:3
He himself [Jacob] went on ahead and bowed down H7812 - šāḥâ
to the ground seven times as he approached his brother [Esau].
Genesis 42:6
Now Joseph was the governor of the land, the one who sold grain to all its people. So when Joseph’s brothers arrived, they bowed down H7812 - šāḥâ to him with their faces to the ground.
Matthew 18:26
“The servant fell on his knees [proskuneo] before him. ‘Be patient with me,’ he begged, ‘and I will pay back everything.’
“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.”
John 1:1 NKJV
“And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.”
John 1:14 NKJV
Brother, God bless you for the truth about the identity of Jesus Christ.
@@ClementMulako which god ❓
1 hour was not long enough. Excellent presentation from a humble man of God. Thank you for doing this.
What a humble person! To admit this publicly, is astounding. I’m glad he loves Bible truth. At around 11 mins., he explains “obeisance”, from the Greek “proskyneo”. The same word (proskyneo) is used in the LXX (Greek Septuagint) where Abraham “bows down” to the sons of Heth.
If Jesus is God (or equal to God the father), why did he call our God and Father his God and Father at John 20:17?
A spirit that denies that Jesus is God manifested in the flesh is Antichrist.
That's you, people.
Jesus is God.
Get over it, antichrist.
*_"Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom is a right sceptre. Thou lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness: therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows."_*
Jesus is referred to here as God anointed as the Messiah by God (the Holy Spirit), HIS God the Father.
Jesus God does have his God the Father.
@@Viral_Christology
Hebrews 1:8
Interesting.
The New World Translation puts it this way:
“But about the Son, he says: “God is your throne forever and ever, and the scepter of your Kingdom is the scepter of uprightness.”
The American Standard version puts it this way.:
“but of the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever; And the sceptre of uprightness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.”
The Bible in Living English this way:
“but as to the Son “God is your throne forever and ever, and the scepter of integrity is the scepter of his reign.”
The Emphasized Bible:
“but as to the Son-Thy throne, O God, is unto times age-abiding, and-A sceptre of equity is the sceptre of his kingdom,”
The King James Bible:
“But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.”
So either way, what does it mean? Is it literal? Poetic? What do we know of the throne? We know that Jehovah, the Father sits on the throne, and Jesus, the son, sits at his right hand.
Psalm 110:1
Hebrews 12:2 and 10:12 and 1:3
Acts 2:33,34 and 5:31
As a side note, where does the Holy Spirit sit? Not even an honorable mention?
So I guess, it all depends on which Bible you prefer to use, and which Bible is in harmony with other scriptures, as a full context. For example John 20:17, mentioned earlier, (King James) says “Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.”
He was God manifested in the flesh..! (I Timothy 3:16) And yes, it is a great mystery!
I tried to lead many people , especially Muslims to this the videos and to the web site! I really need a church like this in Guyana where I live to knock the trinity doctrine out of existence! Thank you bro, may you raised up many more like you in our youth of today , thank you again.
John 1 says that Jesus is God, He is not the Father, yet He is also God. Praise the triune God.
@@timothys4864 Jesus said he's not god in John 17:3 . HE said only the Father is God....
@@Jeffmacaroni1542 Jesus did not say that He is not God in John 17:3. Show where He says He is NOT God.
@@timothys4864 HE said the Father is the only true God. And can god have a god ? John 20:17? Does god have to pray to another god ? Jesus prayed to the Father/....Trinity teachers make up their own Scripture.
@@Jeffmacaroni1542 Do you read the Bible in context or do you just cherry pick verses and present them out of context.
Just great! Great explanation. Many blessings to all the brothers who share these believes. Let's hope they all come around. Ismael, Kingdom Christian from sunny ☀️ Puerto Rico.
“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.”
John 1:1 NKJV
“And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.”
John 1:14 NKJV
Sir the King James Version of the Bible has many flaws. John 1;1 has been translated incorrectly. Many scholars say that the passage should read, "..., and the Word was a god."
If Jesus were the God almighty himself, who was Jesus talking to when shortly before his death, Jesus called out: “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”
If Jesus were God himself, the almighty, why would he cry out these words? Think about it. Really ponder over it. What you believe in, is a false teaching. The Trinity is a false belief.
Jesus is not God. It is all over the scriptures. You just quoted from John 1;14 which says Jesus was begotten. That means brought into existence by God.
At the beginning of his ministry, Jesus quoted Isaiah 61: 1 and 2, which was about him when he spoke at the temple. Read these words and listen intently. Isaiah 61: 1-2 says,
"The spirit of the Sovereign Lord Jehovah is upon me, Because Jehovah anointed me to declare good news to the meek.
He sent me to bind up the brokenhearted,
To proclaim liberty to the captives
And the wide opening of the eyes to the prisoners,
To proclaim the year of Jehovah’s goodwill
And the day of vengeance of our God,
To comfort all who mourn,"
Jesus is not God. Take note that Jesus says that he was anointed by God to declare good news. He said that God sent him to bind up the brokenhearted. He did not say that he came at his own accord. He said that he comes at God's command. Does this prove that Jesus was not Jehovah God? Please reason properly.
''And the word became flesh''....correct. Check out 1 John 4: 2&3. He who does not confess that Jesus Christ came in the flesh, is NOT from God....and is an antichrist. Now please notice that John writes the office of Jesus....Christ. In the Greek, the word for, ''The anointed one'', is Christ, and in the Hebrew it is MESSIAH. In the list of names, attributes and offices of our great God, you will NOT find the name MESSIAH/CHRIST, because God is not the Christ, only Jesus is the Christ. Christ/Messiah is an epithet used only for Jesus, not God. This proves that Jesus is not God.
Psalm 8:5: "Thou has made him little less than heavenly beings." Referring to the verse in Heb. 2:7, and applies it to Jesus, saying, "For a short while, he was made lower than the angels, that he might be capable of suffering death." Jesus was less than God or lower than the angels. How could he be "less than God" and still be Absolute God? This presents a problem in logic.
@19samjohnson Does the Spirit of God live in the born again christian ? Doesn't the christians' own spirit live within him ?
How can a believer pray to God who is in him and all around him ? Because God and Christ are united spirits.
In this world God is manifested in the flesh through the faithful Christian.
I pray to God in heaven aware that His presence dwells within me also.
To mankind God is only visible when clothed in visible flesh.
Was Jesus the Son of God ,but not God manifested in the flesh ?
Jesus was and is the Son of God as well as being God manifested in the flesh,the Word of God.
In the mind of man 1+1=2. In the mind of God 1+1=1. Jesus could pray to the Father in heaven and at the same time have the Spirit of the Father within him.
So God is the Father and the Son in one body. If your earthly fathers Spirit was in your body united with your spirit who would you be ? Both. In the sight of man.
I'm really really sad to find out Sid Hatch has passed away! Such a beautiful man of God and teacher!!
*_"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word WAS GOD._*
*_And the Word was made FLESH, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth._*
*_No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten GOD (Theos), which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him."_* (John 1)
*_"And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the FLESH, is not of God; and such is the spirit of Antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come, and even now already it is in the world."_*
Can't get any clearer than that: a spirit that denies that Jesus is the Word of God AND God manifested in the FLESH is Antichrist.
That's you, people.
If Sid Hatch didn't repent of his Antichrist doctrine of dem0ns he went to the place of everlasting shame and contempt because I don't think an antichrist can inherit eternal life.
@@Viral_Christology Read Luke 1:1 and tell me...what beginning is John talking about? The beginning of the word made flesh or the beginning of Genesis 1? See also John 1:1-2 concerning the beginning of the Word. The problem with your argument is it is assuming John 1:1 refers to Genesis 1:1.
@@snaphaan5049 Antichrist, you're grasping at straws and making up excuses for your doctrine of dem0ns.
@@snaphaan5049 Your diabolical trick will not help you in any shape or form.
John 1 says Jesus is the Word of God AND God. The rest of the Bible makes it crystal clear that Jesus is Yahweh God, who repeatedly appeared in human form to select saints in the Old Testament.
The trinity is idolatry. How to get born again/saved: Romans 10:9-10
9 If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved.
Our gospel of salvation is 1Cor.15:1-4 and Rom.3
We are not born again but new creature in Christ
We are Body of Christ church not covenant Jews
Pastor Hatch you have such a pleasant demeaner - God bless you!!!!
Pleasant demeanor but dead wrong.
@@timothys4864 And maybe not
@Joe Hackney If you follow the bible, then yes, he is.
@@timothys4864 I do read the bible. Thank you. Stay Safe
@@joehackney4828 Then you would not say what you said and believe it.
Why just not say Jehovah’s Witnesses have been correct for over 150 years?
They have been correct as far as they do believe that Jesus is the Son of God but not God himself. Simple as that.
So you believe he is not God almighty?
@@GerardoHernandez-cv2hmHe sits at Gods ‘right hand’ symbolically. Rev 14:1 etc. ( God SENT His Son… J 3:16)
@@izziebon so his not god
@@izziebon stop already, there is no verse that supports trinity. All the ones used are just assumptions. On the other hand there are plenty where Jesus himself said he is inferior to get Almighty.
The belief that Jesus is equally God changes everything in the New Testament. Trinitarians don't seem to notice this. 😕
What kind of sacrifice was it really if God merely sent a part of himself to die for a few days?
How can a part of God be tempted with sin? If Jesus is God then those temptations & testings were meaningless cause he always had the power to overcome them.
Who would a part of God need angels to comfort him?
The state of modern day Christianity is most terrible indeed.
As we now live in a world obsessed with the worship of a god that is nowhere declared, taught or worshiped anywhere in Bible history.
A situation that has become so bad, that we now have masses of people completely blinded to the reality that they worshiping a god completely unlike the GOD of Jesus Christ.
In addition to this, and as though things could not get any worst, these same people will go as far as to tell legitimate believers and followers of Christ, that they need to stop following Jesus, in-favor of following a doctrine and worshiping a god that is nowhere found in scripture.
With that being said, I cannot think of a worst predicament with regard to the state of Christianity in our day.
As it is obvious that we live in a world completely deluded by Satan the devil, and to the point of influencing millions of would-be Christians into spreading lies and leading people away from their victory in Christ!
@SmalltimR
It's probably worse than you think.
It was for me. I've been studying the different denominations for a couple of years now.
Everytime I dig into another one I'm horrified by what it is they teach.
I knew Catholicism and Mormonism were Abominations and MUST Be a product of demonic influence.
What I didn't know was that is equally true of the more benign denominations.
Presbyterians. Methodists.
Even these guys are blatantly anti scriptural.
@@bobbycecere1037
Hello Bobby Cecere, and thank-you for taking the time to respond to my comment!
I'm thinking my comment will read more along the lines of a rant than a source of encouragement - and for that I must apologize
I've been struggling with the reality of matters following my own determination in carrying-out the commission by Jesus Christ, of which has lead to my conclusions on the state of Christianity today.
Granted it is not fair to paint with broad strokes under the Christian label this way, though the state of things seem sufficient to warrant the shocking conclusion that a great majority of Christianity today are under Satan's influence. Which is not only incredibly painful to realize, but terribly frustrating to experience.
Granted its not always bad, and I must admit that I have been blessed with reason on more than one occasion over the years, though there is a a part of me that believes that we should never accept the reality of matters when it comes to the state of Christianity, for fear that when we do, we will have lost the sensitivity and desire to walk in the truth - my two cents
Here again, thanking you for the response, and to say GOD bless and a wonderful day!
Why the Anointing?, If... Jesus were GOD... the Father GOD... or Holy Ghost GOD?... the triune doctrine is shame on all those believers in Christ Jesus the Messiah!
Meaning: triune doctrine believers.
Behold, HE (FATHER) that keepeth Israel shall neither slumber nor (sleep). Psalm 121:4
Jesus fell asleep. Matthew 8:24
Badda bing badda boom!
King James Bible 1Chronicles 17:26
And now, LORD, thou art God, and hast promised this goodness unto thy servant
Beautiful sermon. So happy that som preachers actually preach the truth as it is written in the Bible
Sid Hatch is the personification of the definition of Antichrist.
*_"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word WAS GOD._*
*_And the Word was made FLESH, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth._*
*_No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten GOD (Theos), which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him."_* (John 1)
*_"And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the FLESH, is not of God; and such is the spirit of Antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come, and even now already it is in the world."_*
Can't get any clearer than that: a spirit that denies that Jesus is the Word of God AND God manifested in the FLESH is Antichrist.
It can get a lot clearer, if you read it in the Greek instead of a very poor English translation. There are also over 400 translations of John 1 which are not supportive of the Trinity.
@@izziebon It doesn't matter what translation you read, the Bible is crystal clear that God is the Trinity and the Messiah is Yahweh God manifested in the flesh.
@@izziebon Where do you get your info about "400 translations of John 1" - from your rabbi Tovia Singer or Bart Ehrman?
@@Viral_ChristologyGive me a ‘crystal clear verse’… even one… that proves the Trinity. Even the Catholic Church say there isn’t one.
@@Viral_Christology I have a printed list of them, but it’s too long to put on here. These more scholarly translations of John 1:1 all say ‘the Word was divine’ or ‘ the Word was a god’… that’s the way it reads in Greek.
A wonderful sermon. I too have been baffling with Trinity for a long time. I always thought and prayed that it would have been much better and sensible if God and Jesus are two personages, because from what I read it the Bible it was very hard for me to believe a triune God. Pastor Hatch had a wonderful demeanour and today is the first time I came across in the internet. Unfortunately I learned that he passed away. when I checked about his death, there are many Sid Hatchs who have died at different dates, the latest being January 3. 2021. He is a blessed soul anyway.
God is triune. Don't fall for the unitarian lies.
*_"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word WAS GOD._*
*_And the Word was made FLESH, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth._*
*_No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten GOD (Theos), which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him."_* (John 1)
*_"And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the FLESH, is not of God; and such is the spirit of Antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come, and even now already it is in the world."_*
Can't get any clearer than that: a spirit that denies that Jesus is the Word of God AND God manifested in the FLESH is Antichrist.
That's you, people.
Can an antichrist like Sid Hatch inherit eternal life?
John 1:1 is clarified by verse 14 & 18. Phil 2:1-9 is also clarified by verse 11! The CONTEXT is clear that' God the Father' is always extolled as greater than his 'Son', who HE sent, whom he ANOINTED, WHOM He strengthened. Whom HE resurected. Whom HE sat him at his right hand. Whom HE wil send to judge the world. Its ALWAYS the FATHER who is is charge & responsible for EVERYTHING!
it's comforting to know that people are understanding true pic of Jesus and denying trinity.
Next step is easily, understanding that Jesus was second last prophet, Muhammad Peace Be Upon Him being the last one
The Prophet that said Mary was part of the trinity? Lol or that the sun sets in muddy waters?
I'm not alone, same story and yes very true thank you
Thank you!
Jesus
Jesus is the word of GOD not GOD .
He shows us that when he shows us how to pray .
Matthew 6:9 (KJV) After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.
He did not say pray to him , but to the FATHER.
Matthew 12:50 (KJV)
For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.
These tell us about Jesus . That he is a savior only and not GOD .
John 3:14 (KJV)
And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
Numbers 21:8-9 (KJV)
8 And the LORD said unto Moses, Make thee a fiery serpent, and set it upon a pole: and it shall come to pass, that every one that is bitten, when he looketh upon it, shall live. 9 And Moses made a serpent of brass, and put it upon a pole, and it came to pass, that if a serpent had bitten any man, when he beheld the serpent of brass, he lived.
2 Kings 18:4 (KJV)
He removed the high places, and brake the images, and cut down the groves, and brake in pieces the brasen serpent that Moses had made: for unto those days the children of Israel did burn incense to it: and he called it Nehushtan.
See how Jesus compares himself to the serpent , that we don’t make the same error as these people did.
@Jesus Christ is Lord Ministries
They shall believe a lie and be damned.
To say Jesus was the word of God and not God is simply refuted by John 1:1
@@Romans--pe4yh
John 1:1 (KJV) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
All it is saying is GOD spoke everything into existence .
You have to add to it to get something different .
How do we know GOD , by signs and wonders , NO .
Through HIS WORD .
Read Genesis again .
@@jimharmon2300 But if you claim Jesus is the word, and John 1:1 clearly states that same word that you're referring to is God, is Jesus not God?
@@Romans--pe4yh
I don’t claim Jesus is the word but only carrying the word as we should .
You claim to walk as Jesus walked . To do so you must have the word in your heart .
Matthew 12:32 (KJV)
And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the [world] to come.
You can speak against the Son of man ( Jesus ) but not the Holy Ghost.
If he was GOD would it not be a sin to speak against him ?
Beware of the idol you build in your heart .
What did he understand by the verses Isa 43:23 and Phl. 2:10, 11❓️
Thank you Pastor Hatch. I enjoyed your presentation. Unfortunateyl there will always be ignorant people who will refuse to hear the truth, the truth of God and Jesus, They love their Greek myth and will go to great extreems to protect it. The problem is they believe in "a" God, they just don't believe God!!!
If Jesus is not God, then when did He begin to exist?
@timothys4864
That's easy, he was there before everything else was created.
"In the beginning there was the word"
Lot saw the 2 angels and bowed down and worshipped them, (Worshipped-- H7812 - šāḥâwith)
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Genesis 19:1 “And there came two angels to Sodom at even; and Lot sat in the gate of Sodom: and Lot seeing them rose up to meet them; and he bowed himself (Worshipped-- H7812 - šāḥâwith) his face toward the ground;”
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Genesis 23:7
Then Abraham rose and bowed down H7812 - šāḥâ before the people of the land, the Hittites.
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Genesis 33:3
He himself [Jacob] went on ahead and bowed down H7812 - šāḥâ
to the ground seven times as he approached his brother [Esau].
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Genesis 42:6
Now Joseph was the governor of the land, the one who sold grain to all its people. So when Joseph’s brothers arrived, they bowed down H7812 - šāḥâ to him with their faces to the ground.
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Matthew 18:26
“The servant fell on his knees [proskuneo] before him. ‘Be patient with me,’ he begged, ‘and I will pay back everything.’
Only showing respect.
That is all .
The man is a good example I think. He has such a love for truth, the is willing to be considered a pariah by those who are inclined to accept beliefs uncritically, or as is often the case, have axes to grind. He loves his role-model so much, he is ready to leave the relative safety of pharisaic Christian theology.
If you want to explain the Trinity just do what people have done over the centuries tell them it's a mystery that can't be explained only accepted by faith.
so much truth in that statement... Amos 3:7; Surely the Lord God does nothing. Unless He reveals His secret counsel. To His servants the prophets.
Luke 8:17; For all that is secret will eventually be brought into the open, and everything that is concealed will be brought to light and made known to all.
@@jmdd8828 You hit it right on the head 👍👍👍👍👍
@edwinbell3255:---Its not a Mystry that cannot be explained. Of course it can be explained. And it's not as mysterious as you apparently believe. It is people's motivations influencing the objection that seem to be the problem. Your issue seems to be The Trinity. Jesus is The Son of God. He alone is the God kind of Son because He came from above proceeding from The Father. God comes from eternity so does Jesus. The Spirit of God is same as God. From eternity (past) God has The Holy Spirit.
17:37 since he was a John 1, why stop at verse 1?
...And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth
You can't misinterpret if you consider verse 14 as well.
Great video. The real truth is coming to light but Christianity has been blinded by darkness for centuries.
Bless the Lord, O' my soul! I am so thankful for revelation of Jesus Christ as conveyed by the Prophet Isaiah in Isaiah 9:6,
"For unto us a child is born (we agree that this is JESUS), unto us a son is given (again he's speaking of JESUS!): and the government shall be upon his shoulder (the reveal of JESUS in His Millenial reign as Christ that is to come!): and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor (descriptions of JESUS!), The mighty God (what you say? That's JESUS!!), The everlasting Father (there it is! JESUS!!), The Prince of Peace (that's nobody BUT JESUS!!)."
There's no need for further dissections, reinterpretations, additions or subtractions! GOD has spoken concerning who He is, and let the church say AMEN!!!
well said brother, you are guided by the Holy Spirit.
I’m not a trinitarian… but I do believe in Christ’s existence in heaven before becoming man… I wonder how the people, who believe he didn’t exist until being born of Mary, would reconcile the “firstborn of all creation” verse
Nope, you all still wrong, no matter how you twist the Trinity, Jesus is God's son? How and in what way is Jesus God's son.? If he Jesus holds no ecoequality with God, then what position do he hold. As a normal prophet? I'd like to know please share.
I asked a similar question. What does he mean by son of God. Because if I am the son of my father we are 2 seperate persons who share in 1 essence because we are 1 family. So if Jesus is of the fathers essence, and the father is God then that should mean Jesus is God because he shares in the essence of his father
Most trinitarians know the trinty doctrine is wrong .. against what Jesus taught and has pagan origins ect etc like so many other church teachings .. but find it difficult to admit they've been misled!
Like the saying goes "it's easier to fool someone than to convince them they've been fooled"!
Is Elohim used for God in OT❓️
Elohim is used for God or other gods via Sons of God; Humans denote all mankind.
Elohim is used for Jehovah 90 percent of times a few times for wannabe gods
Sometimes, when the context requires the word to amplify God’s majesty. At other times the word ‘El’ (singular) is used. See Ps 10:12,13 for both usages and context.
@@izziebon Elohim is plural
@@MathewThomasFET Elohim is the Hebrew plural of the majesty of God. Look it up in a decent Lexicon. The root for ‘God’ is ‘El’ and there are many variants of it depending on the context and relationship being used in the phrase.
How did the logos, spoken word according to John be manifested in flesh❓️
Through miracle
Manifest means revealed. Jesus revealed the true meaning of Gods word.
John 3 v 34.
Acts 3 v 22 = Deuteronomy 18 v 18. Read the original quote and try in vain, to turn this Prophet into GOD.
It simply cannot be done.
@@astutik8909 It is evident that you don’t believe that Jesus is God. Are you a member of Jehova’s witness❓ You say that Jesus revealed “the true meaning of God’s word”. A deceitful addition to assert that He did not reveal God but only the meaning of God’s word ❓😭Starting with Jn 1:1 there are several verses which say that Jesus is God. 1 Tim. 3:16 says “God was manifest (revealed). He was NOT revealing the “meaning of God’s word” but revealing God. Please don’t add to the Scripture.
@@MathewThomasFET try reading my above comment properly. Read the actual quotes.
Try turning the Prophet into GOD.
@@astutik8909 Read them very carefully. You are silent on whether you are a member of Jehova’s witnesses. How do you draw the inference that revealing God means revealing meaning of God’s word ❓Have you read the previous verses❓Does Jn. 1:1 mean that Jesus is God or as Jehova’s witnesses say, He is a god❓According to you Jesus is a prophet ❓Can a mere prophet be on the throne along with God❓Rev. 22:3-5. Read Rev. 17:14; 19:11-16; Tim. 6:15. Who is King of Kings and Lord of Lords ❓A prophet or God❓
how are our sins forgiven?
Psalms 32:5 NKJV
I acknowledged my sin to You, And my iniquity I have not hidden. I said, “I will confess my transgressions to the LORD,” And You forgave the iniquity of my sin. Selah
@fiskooriginal
1Cor.15:1-4
Rom.3
This is what needs to be reconciled! How do you explain that Daniel spoke with and one like the son of man with eyes like fire and voice like many waters just like the one John spoke with in revelation. He must have pre-existed his incarnation. Right?
Because he became flesh and a servant. God is the God of all flesh. Psalm 22:10 from my mother's womb you have been my God.
I know that JESUS CHRIST IS THE MESSIAH " YOU CAN NOT BE SAVED WITHOUT BELIEVING IN HIM . HE IS THE ONLY WAY TO THE FATHER AND ETERNITY IN HEAVEN". YOU DENY JESUS AS YOUR SAVIOR, THEN YOU'RE GOING TO HELL 🔥.
Is hell that Greek mythology place
No, we believe Jesus Exist and is Son of God and the Christ Messiah means The Anointed One.
John20vs17 Jesus said to her, “Do not cling to Me, for I have not yet ascended to My Father; but go to My brethren and say to them, ‘I am ascending to My Father and your Father, and to My God and your God.’”
30 And truly Jesus did many other signs in the presence of His disciples, which are not written in this book; 31 but these are WRITTEN that you may Believe That Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and THAThat Believing you May Have Life in His Name*.
John3vs36 He Who Believes in the Son Has Everlasting Life; and He Who Does Not Believe the Son Shall Not See Life, but The Wrath of God Abides On him.”
2Cor5vs17 Therefore, if anyone is IN CHRIST, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new. 18 NOW ALL THINGS ARE OF GOD, who has reconciled us to HIMSELF=GOD THROUGH Jesus Christ, and HAS=GOD GIVEN*** us the ministry of reconciliation, 19 that is, that GOD WAS IN CHRIST reconciling the world to Himself, not imputing their trespasses to them, and has committed to us the word of reconciliation.
20 Now then, we are ambassadors for Christ, as though GOD were pleading through us: we implore you on Christ’s behalf, be reconciled to God. 21 For HE=GOD MADE HIMJC who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of GOD IN HIM.
WE MUST BE IN CHRIST TO RECEIVE THE HOLY SPIRIT.
EX33vs20 But He said, “You cannot see My face; for no man shall see Me, and live.”
John1vs18 John5vs37
1John4vs12.20
Jesus is The Mediator
1Tim2vs5 Gal3vs20
Now a mediator does not mediate for one only, but GOD IS ONE.
JESUS also is the HighPriest Ps110vs4 Hebr5vs5.6 Hebr chapter 6,7
Col1vs18 And He is the Head of the Body, the Church, who is the Beginning, the Firstborn from the Dead, that in All Things He may have the Preeminence.
Rev1vs5,6 Col2vs9
For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead BODILY 10 and you are complete in Him, who is the Head of all principality and power.
JOHN17vs12
Why Only Bodily? JESUS Has also His Own Will.
Hebr10vs7 Then I said, ‘Behold, I have come-
In the volume of the book it is written of Me-
To do Your will, O God.’”
Hebr5vs8 though He was a Son, yet He learned obedience by the things which He suffered.
Why Must God Confirm Jesus that He is Begotten and is His Son.
Ps2vs7 Hebr1vs5,6 Hebr5vs5,6
WHY WE ALWAYS MUST BE IN CHRIST? JESUS IS THE MEDIATOR.
EX33vs20 But He said, “You cannot see My face; for no man shall see Me, and live.” 21 And the Lord said, “Here is a place by Me, and you shall stand on the rock. 22 So it shall be, while My glory passes by, that I will put you in the cleft of the rock, and will cover you with My hand while I pass by. 23 Then I will take away My hand, and you shall see My back; but My face shall not be seen.”
1Tim2vs5 Col3vs1
Jhn5vs37 Jhn1vs18 1Jhn4vs12.20
Jehovah's Witnesses have been championing the one true God of the Bible, Jehovah, for over 140 years. They have taken the heat, persecution and scorn from the mainstream churches for it. Christendom created it's own god in the 4th century; giving more credence to Greek philosophy and pagan myths than God's Word.
Jesus foretold that in the time of the end, "this good news of the kingdom will be preached throughout the entire inhabited earth, and then the end will come." (Matthew 24:14) They alone have been proclaiming God's Kingdom by his Son, Christ Jesus, as the only hope for mankind. The churches cling to political schemes of men. Now is the time to "Get out of her my people, if you do not wish to share with her in her sins". (Revelation 18:4)
When did Jesus begin to exist?
Scriptures show that Jesus likely preceded the beginning spoken-of in Genesis, and perhaps even time itself as we know it.
@@SmalltimR If Jesus existed before all creation and even time itself, then you must agree He is God, correct?
@@timothys4864
Such a question would require that we first qualify what it is that makes GOD, GOD.
Otherwise, we risk arguing strawmen as a result of improperly defined terms and definitions.
For example, when we look to Isaiah 44.24, we find YHWH's declaration of His nature, what it is that qualifies Him as GOD;
_Thus says Yahweh, your Redeemer, and he who formed you from the womb: _*_"I am Yahweh, who makes all things_*_ who _*_alone_*_ stretches out the heavens; who spreads out the earth _*_by myself_* - Isaiah 44.24
Therefore and as the word, is identified as having a source and cause, the conclusion is that it is not equal-to or GOD itself, but it is identified as coming from GOD and in subjection to GOD Himself.
@@SmalltimR Is Jesus a spirit being or flesh, or something else?
@@timothys4864
The Bible reveals the following;
a) Prior-to coming to earth, Jesus was in the form of GOD - a spirit
b) Following this and upon emptying Himself, Jesus took-on the form of a human - flesh
c) And finally, and following Jesus' resurrection, Jesus is identified as a son of man in a glorified body on the Messianic throne in heaven - something else?
Therefore and should we based our view on GOD's written word, Jesus took-on various forms since the beginning spoken of in Genesis, whereas His original form was likely that of a spirit in heaven like His own GOD and Father.
If Jesus is not God, then when did He begin to exist?
As previously outlined, and should we base our view upon scripture, the conclusion is that Jesus would have effectively been born, when GOD spoke His first commandment(word).
With that said, and should we limit our view to what which is written, then the conclusion is that Jesus most likely preceded the beginning spoken of in Genesis, in-that He would have been with GOD in eternity. Of which, some would argue that the notion of an event such as GOD speaking, would not thus change from an eternal-state and onto a temporal one, and so-on and so-forth. Though I myself prefer not to get caught-up in philosophical arguments of this nature in-favor of what the Bible teaches in matters.
@@smalltimer4370 Bye Bye false teacher. You delete posts and hide things. Find someone else to spew your false teaching to.
When he was born.
@@astutik8909 Are you responding to me?
@@astutik8909 Incorrect
God is One and ALONE
Besides me There was no God formed
Neither shall be after me
In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God Jn1:1
(14) and the Word made flesh And dwelt Among us
HIS NAME IS =JESUS
In the beginning was the Word
IN THE BEGINNING WAS JESUS
And the Word was with God
AND JESUS WAS WITH FATHER
And the Word was God
AND JESUS WAS FATHER
JESUS SAID THE FATHER IS THE ONLY TRUE GOD Jn17
God was manifest in the flesh (1Tim 3:16)
Or God Come in the flesh
HIS NAME IS =JESUS
He was in the World and the World was made by him and the World knew him not ( Jn1: 10 Kjv)
THE WORLD WAS MADE BY HIM
( Not Them)
Jesus made the World ALONE
He came to his own but his own receive him not Jn1: 11
John said for many deceivers have gone out into the world who do not confess Jesus Christ come in the flesh this is Deceiver An Antichrist (2 Jn1:7)
John said only one sat on the throne Rev 4:2
Paul said Jesus throne is forever and ever heb1:8
QUESTION
Where is the Throne of Others...?
Did you know that God’s name, that He gave to Himself, is in the Bible over 7000 times… and it is not ‘Jesus’.
Genesis ch 1:26
and GOD said, let US amen
John ch 1 is showing the pure unity between the FATHER and the SON
The Blessed LORD is the only way to the FATHER Amen john 14:6
Three persons of the Trinity? Uhh? Please show me where the Holy Ghost speaks to the son, or even where the Holy Spirit speaks to the Father, please?
There’s verses in the Bible brother
@@aznation4592 bet ur a trinitarian.😅
@@joevenecia6254 dude do your even read the scriptures?
James seriously you’re asking where ? Really you have no clue where ? Please take time and read rather wanting someone to do all the homework for you.
And the word became flesh and dwelt among us. Why didn’t you finish the phrase??????
Lord Jesus was not spoken by the Father into existence but was begotten, speaking is the intimation of creation , Jesus was not created but begotten, there is great deference, begotten was like born by The Father in the eternity past. Jesus is Devine Because He is of the same substance as the Father I’m believing that trinity is not biblical teachings, but Divinity of Jesus is biblical, Father gave Jesus all what Father had , Father is God of Jesus, but Jesus as Devine as the Father because this what The night Father decided. First Adam was created by Jesus, not begotten, Second Adam / Jesus/ was begotten by Almighty Father do not mix this to issue together, they are greatly distinct. Lack of understanding what begotten means, create all this confusion regarding Divinity of Christ, again He was not created by God the Father He was Begotten, great deference. If Jesus was not Devine He would be able to die for our sins , if He was created He would only render His duty to the law as all created being have to do , but He did not had any duty to the law because He is the Law Only on this platform He was able to undertake our salvation. Create being can not undertake our salvation, this is impossibility. So if you reject Jesus as Devine God , you have also rejected Him as your savior, created being can’t save you and Bible call Him Savior, He offers us His righteousness, He would not have righteousness to offer is He is created being This theory that Jesus is created is not making any sense if you see His role in the plan of salvation. Maranatha
Your interpretation seems very good, in-that it adheres to the written word of GOD without the addition or removal of anything.
- GOD bless
John 1 says that Jesus is God, He is not the Father, yet He is also God. Praise the triune God.
Was Thomas giving obeseiaance when he said, "My Lord and my God"❓️
Thomas was shocked when he saw the scars not when he saw Jesus, he new that Jesus was the son
Yet Thomas called Jesus God
Not only did Thomas call Jesus God but his God
Thomas saw 3 days before Jesus was dead, Only God Can Raised Jesus Up..Rom10vs9
@@carolhauber8412 So why did he address Jesus as, “My Lord and my God”❓
The Sons' glorified body houses both the Spirit, who is the Father, that dwells united with the Spirit, who is the Son. The Holy Spirit is refered to in scripture as The Spirit of God and The Spirit of Christ ( Rom.8:9).
So for all intents and purposes Jesus Christ is God.
The title itself is heretic and so dangerous, saying Jesus is not God is Anti-Christ according to God’s word…period…common sense.
God is Spirit JN 4:24
God was manifested in the Flesh
his name is JESUS
JESUS said it is the Spirit gives life the flesh profit nothing the word that I speak to you are spirit and are life (jn 6:63)
JESUS FLESH= profit nothing, he is a man, son of man and son of God hung and died on the cross
JESUS SPIRIT= is the Father gives life, his Words are Spirit and are life
SPIRIT AND FLESH= ONE
I and my father are one
The father that dwells in me does the work
One body One Spirit
For what man knows the things of a man except the Spirit of a man which is in him him...? even so no one knows the things of except the Spirit of God (2cort 2:11)
Jesus said I am one bear witness of myself and the Father who sent me bear witness of me (Jn 8:18 KJV)
QUESTION:
Who is the Father that bear witness of Jesus..?
ANSWER;
This is he who came by Water and Blood Jesus Christ, not by Water Only but by Water and Blood and it is the SPIRIT bear witness because the SPIRIT IS TRUTH (1Jn5:6)
JESUS SPIRIT IS TRUTH
JESUS SPIRIT IS THE FATHER
JESUS SPIRIT IS THE WORD
JESUS SPIRIT IS THE LIFE
JESUS SPIRIT IS THE HOLY GHOST
1JN5:7
THREE RECORD IN HEAVEN The Father, The Word, and the Holy Ghost these three are One=JESUS SPIRIT
1Jn5:8
THREE WITNESS ON EARTH Spirit, Water, and Blood and these three are One=JESUS FLESH
He was in the World and the World was made by him And the Word knew him not (Jn1:10 Kjv)
THE WORLD WAS MADE BY HIM
(NOT THEM)
Jesus made the World ALONE
John said Jesus is the true God and eternal life (1jn5:20)
Paul said Jesus is the great God and savour Titus 2:13
John said only one sat on the throne Rev 4:2
Paul said Jesus Throne is forever and ever heb1: 8
Question
Where is the Throne of Others..? If God is 3person..?
Where is the Throne of Jehovah, Yahweh, Adonai, Elohim, Yhwh, ect...? If they are TRUE GOD..?
Paul said but even if we or an angel from heaven preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you let him be Accursed Gal 1: 8
God is I AM
God was manifest in the flesh (1Tim3:16)
Jesus is I AM
Jesus said before Abraham was I AM
John said for many deceivers have gone out into the world who do not confess Jesus Christ come in the flesh this is Deceiver An Antichrist (2Jn1:7)
God have mercy on you, you poor deluded person. You have created your own Bible. I didn't know the holy ghost even had a name. Did God change his name to Jesus? You are so mixed-up to even to rebuke you any further, would be a waste of time - Why cast pearls before swine.
@@priscillajervey1947 He who has ears let them hear.
Let the wicked be wicked still.
I don’t believe in your testimony, and I won’t. Even so, I want you to know, that I love you. Wishing you blessings and love!
Read 1 Cor 8:6 so will know who God is.
Incorrect dreamer.
God the Father, Son the Messiah(of the Father), and the Holy Spirit.
Do you know the DNA of Jesus? Probably You are ignorant. DNA is Divine Nucleus Arrangement.
The Word "was" God. When Elohim said, Let There Be Light! Elohim became Yahweh (Genesis 2:4) and now the Word is "with" God. The Son of God or God The Son who proceeds from the Father. John 16:28
John 1:1 speaks of God and the Word. The word “theos” (god) appears two times in verse 1. The first time when it refers to God it has the definite article “the” (ho theos). The second time when it refers to the Word it does not have a definite article. It is indefinite. This shows that God and the Word are not the same. That is why some Bible translators render the second part of the verse “and a god was the word” or “the word was divine.” Note also that John 1:1 says that "the Word was with God". Someone who is with another person is not the same as that other person.
The phrase "God the Father" appears many times in the New Testament, but the phrase "God the Son" does not appear at all. If Jesus was the second person of the Trinity, you would think that this phrase would appear. Neither does the phrase "God the Holy Spirit". On the other hand, Jesus is referred to many times as "God's Son" or the "Son of God".
@jollyrancher521
Yes.
Was God: Elohim.
With God: Elohim.
Yahweh is elohe of elohim
Deuteronomy 10:17
God the Son or Son of God are interchangeable with Jesus because Yahweh raised Jesus from the dead and exalted Him to The Throne.
Revelation 3:21
To him who overcomes, I will grant to sit with Me on My Throne as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His Throne.
Praise God And The Lamb forever and ever. Revelation 5:13
Genesis 1:26 And *God* said, Let *us* make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
God said let US, PLURAL.
John 1:1-3 *1In the beginning was the Word,* and the *Word was with God,* and the *Word was God.* 2The same *was in the beginning with God.* *3All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.*
God the Father, God the Word (Jesus Christ).
Genesis 1:1-2 In the beginning *God created the heaven and the earth.* 2And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the *Spirit of God* moved upon the face of the waters.
God the Father, God the Word, God the Holy Spirit in Genesis Chapter 1 verse 2.
Genesis 19:24 Then the *LORD* rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire *from the LORD* out of heaven;
Either God stuttered here or there are TWO in this passage.
Deuteronomy 6:4 Hear, O Israel: *The LORD our God is one LORD:*
If I said to people standing around me, "Hear me people, your friend Chad is one Chad," it would be a redundancy, and make no sense.
John 6:46 *Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father.*
NO MAN has seen God the Father.
Hebrews 1:1-3 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, 2Hath in these last days spoken unto us by *his Son,* whom he hath appointed heir of all things, *by whom also he made the worlds;* 3Who being the brightness of his glory, and the *express image of his person,* and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, *sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;*
The Son (the Word) made the worlds (John 1:1-2, Genesis 1:1-2) God the Father is a person, as is Jesus Christ, as He is the EXPRESS IMAGE of His Father. Jesus Christ sat down on the RIGHT HAND of the Majesty (the Father) in the third heaven. How can a mere man sit with God on His throne, how does God sit NEXT to Himself?
Daniel 7:13-14 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the *Son of man* came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the *Ancient of days,* and they brought him near before him. 14And there was *given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.*
The Son of man here is the pre-incarnate Jesus Christ, and the Father is called the Ancient of Days. The Son CAME TO the Father.
Daniel 3:24-25 Then Nebuchadnezzar the king was astonied, and rose up in haste, and spake, and said unto his counsellors, *Did not we cast three men bound into the midst of the fire?* They answered and said unto the king, True, O king. 25He answered and said, *Lo, I see four men loose,* walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; *and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God.*
Can a man walk in fire? Who was this Son of God?
Matthew 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name *Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.*
Genesis 1 3. God said let there be light.
Jehovah God spoke everything into existence. Using his words.
The word was with God.
You have Genesis 1 26 correct. Let us go and make man. Jesus was with God.
John 20 17 Jesus said touch me not for I have not ascended to my Father. But go to my brethren and tell them. For I will ascend to MY FATHER and your Father to my God and your God.
John 3 16. For so God loved the world he gave his ONLY BEGOTTEN SON. For so whomever shall believe in him. They will have everlasting life.
Forgive them Father for they know not what they do.
Jesus cried with a loud voice saying. FATHER into YOUR hands I commit my spirit.
@@trumpershaveblinderson7470 Genesis 1:26 that verse does not mention Jesus. Jesus is a man who was born of a virgin thousands of years later.
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. John 1:1
The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth. John 1:14
A fantastic Unitarian passage! This passage is heresy to Trinitarians:
John 1:18 (NASB95) No one has seen God at any time ...
If Jesus IS God in verse 1, then no man has seen Jesus!
If you read John 1:1 as a Trinitarian you have: "In the beginning was the Son, and the Son was with the Father, and the Son was the Father.
This is clearly heresy under Trinitarian doctrine! Trinitarians have no clear way of reading this passage UNLESS they say that the different "God"s in verse one mean different things, like maybe one of them means "Father", and one means "God".
@@lizzard13666 Notice the word "with".
And the Logos isn't the Father.
Did the Father or the Son become flesh?
@@lizzard13666 If Jesus is not God, then when did He begin to exist?
@@timothys4864 I'm sorry, can you ask that another way, I'm not sure what you mean ... your "if" and "then" don't seem to line up? If Jesus is not God, then Jesus began to exist when God caused him to exist I guess? Sorry if that's not what you were asking?
@@lizzard13666 Was Jesus created by God the Father?
This is what Jesus was talking about. There will come in the last days men being decieved. If you don't believe Jesus is the I AM of the old testament, they will die in thier sins.
Christians still urgue about God, Son of God, Holy Spirit . Muslims done!
You're promised Heaven on one condition: follow the commandments and follow Jesus who told you that hadn't told you everything. Why don't you, Christians, check and search for the one who had the full and last revelation of God. If everyone is saying we're close to the end of days, when do you think Jesus's prophecy would come true?
Muslims do not know the true God of the universe.
So unfortunate that just before his passing away, he rejected Jesus as his Lord and his God. May the Lord have mercy on him.
How do you know?
Maybe he was wrong then.
To understand who Jesus is, is not rejecting Jesus, do you even know what are you saying
@ What have you understood about who is Jesus ❓
@@MathewThomasFET I have listened at least 50 hours of debates and presentations from Bible on why trinity is false doctrine and why trinity is true. And my conclusion based on evidence is that trinity is a false doctrine which started spreading from Constantine and Catholic church.
Believing that Jesus is Son of God firstborn of all creation-only begotten son and not existing forever on his own like Yahwe is not rejecting Christ. The same claim can be made if Jesus is not the second person of eternal God and you worship him as he would be is false worship. Revelation 4 is showing what is the worship for Yahwe and Rev.5 what is the praise for Jesus Christ. It's defenitly not the same. And there is no worship for the Holly Spirit.
And even more important what you have wrote it looks like you don't know what the gospel of salvation is. Believing in trinity or not is not the gospel of salvation.
1.Cor.15:1-4 and Rom.3 is our gospel of salvation, believing that Christ died for our sins, was burried and rose on 3rd day, blood atonment for forgivnes of all our sins. We are saved by grace through faith-what Christ has done for us not by our works, not by trinity doctrine. God gives the free gift of slavation to those who believe.
Accepting Jesus as your Lord and saviour is not gospel of salvation, inviting Jesus into your heart is not gospel of salvation, and water baptism is not gospel of salvation. Giving life to Jesus is not gospel of salvation. These are all false man made gospels of salvation and many people are deceived by this the most fundamental knowledge what saves a person.
Gal.1:8 is a warning for those that preach false gospels of salvation.
Amen. God is not the author of confusion. The idea of Trinity is absolute confusion and there for cannot be true. Take note also, one thing nobody can say against. It is nowhere found in the NT that you HAVE to believe Jesus is God to be saved. No, so why introduce confusion into God's Simple Salvation Plan? No, I see now we must reject Trinity as a confusion to man and which has no part in Salvation.
This was the last thing that didn't make sense. Now I understand all the teachings. And I love the name of this channel as we have much more reformation to accomplish. We stopped much too soon 500 years ago. But I have faith we are on the right track after listening to this message.
We must continue to purge all of Roman Paganism out of our churches.
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. ISAIAH 9:6 ........................key words spoken of the son here , THE mighty GOD ...AND ....THE everlasting FATHER .
the holy spirit is not a power of God , where does it ever say this? the spirit is referred to interchangeably with the Father and the Son because these are all just titles for God who can and has manifest in forms to accomplish his will in various times , including the body , Jesus is not some other being , and if you say he is and worship him , you sir are in idolatry , God will not share his glory with another , you ever wonder how Jesus can be the FIRST and the LAST both? how Jesus can have ALL POWER , how Jesus can be the name above EVERY NAME? ... the list goes on , God is one , Jesus Christ is he , dont be so caught up with the flesh and bones , God is a spirit , who manifest IN that body .
Please use your sense.
1. Commandment says , l am only God don't bring other gods against my face. God is only God. Jesus is a servant of God according to your Bible.
This guy is a devil
Adam had no scripture to quote.😮
As the apostle Paul would say, “who has bewitched you”? Everyone following or giving this false teacher their approval, you are being blinded.
This makes sense
It makes sense that Jesus is God.
This man is dead in his sins and leading many more of you to hell even from the grave. All Satan needs is one person through which to spread his destruction. Looks like he’s successful. Jesus was God in the flesh on earth. You can believe him or die in your sins.
Christ is to be worship as the Father because this is a will of the Father , Jesus is only begotten Son of The Mighty Father , Jesus was begotten not created , He is of the same substance as the Father, He is creator , only God can create There was a time in eternity past when Jesus was begotten by the Father , only Jesus was begotten , everything thing else was created and created by Jesus, I agree Holy Spirit is the power and presence of Jesus and the Father , but Jesus is might God because Father made/ not creating/ Him so. Maranatha
Timothy S - I've shown you just a few samples of the Scriptures that prove what I have been saying all along!
Like you said to me before are you going to deny the proof of many Scriptures right before your eyes?
Finally Timothy S -
You worship what you do not know but I worship what I do know for Salvation comes from the Jews❗
Not from Roman pagan Religion which you have been deceived and have bought into the Lie of the Trinity!
O Timothy S - Awake thou that sleepest, and stand up from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light. 🐟Ephesians 5:14 - GNV
Notwithstanding for this cause was I received to mercy, that Jesus Christ should first show on me all long-suffering unto the ensample of them, which shall in time to come believe in him unto eternal life.
🐟🐟Now unto the king -everlasting,❗immortal,❗invisible,❗unto God only wise, be honor, and glory, forever, and ever, Amen.❗ 🐟1 Timothy 1:16-17 - GNV
Yours Truly;
🐟Panhandle Saint Peter, a Prisoner of Christ Jesus❗
Lot saw the 2 angels and bowed down and worshipped them, (Worshipped-- H7812 - šāḥâwith) This was a custom back then.
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Genesis 19:1 “And there came two angels to Sodom at even; and Lot sat in the gate of Sodom: and Lot seeing them rose up to meet them; and he bowed himself (Worshipped-- H7812 - šāḥâwith) his face toward the ground;”
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Genesis 23:7
Then Abraham rose and bowed down H7812 - šāḥâ before the people of the land, the Hittites.
Genesis 33:3
He himself [Jacob] went on ahead and bowed down H7812 - šāḥâ
to the ground seven times as he approached his brother [Esau].
Genesis 42:6
Now Joseph was the governor of the land, the one who sold grain to all its people. So when Joseph’s brothers arrived, they bowed down H7812 - šāḥâ to him with their faces to the ground.
Matthew 18:26
“The servant fell on his knees [proskuneo] before him. ‘Be patient with me,’ he begged, ‘and I will pay back everything.’
begotten is born and what is born is not eternal. God the Father is the creator not Jesus. Rev.4 worship to Father God as creator, Rev.5 praising Jesus Christ Son of God for what he has done.
Jn.20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
I don’t believe in the Trinity, I believe that God is One - yet I also believe Jesus was God! Because He and His Father were One. And Jesus quoted scripture that says the God told us that we are gods (Elohim). We are divine by nature because God is in us, but our sins inhibit our natural unity with God in us. Christ came as an example for how we can come back into unity with God. We can be one with the Father, we can claim our godhood - but must remember that even Jesus, who was one with God, prayed to the One. We are just a small aspect of the One, not the totality. Nor are we a truly separate, distinct division of the One, we have only fallen into dark ignorance of the One Spirit already residing in us.
This is a very good point.
There is no godhood. There is One. It really is that simple. There are none beside me is what God said.
This is interestingly similar to what the Christadelphian founder, John Thomas, claimed in "Phanerosis"!
@@lizzard13666 can you share some resources if you have them, can we find more on this person n his teachings, this is really where the scriptures point in my opinion
If Jesus is not God, then when did He begin to exist according to the bible?
King James Bible
Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. John 8:58
This devil is using Vatican version bibles
In John 8:58 Jesus is not declaring himself to be God. Some believe Jesus is making an allusion to Exodus 3:14 where God says, “I AM THAT I AM,” according to the King James version. But Jesus did not use that expression. He used the Greek expression “ego eimi” (“I am”), which was a common phrase used by several people in the Bible. For example, in John 9:9 the man who Jesus cured of blindness said “ego eimi”, meaning that he was the one cured by Jesus. In Acts 10:21, Peter used “ego eimi” to say, “I am the one you are looking for.” In John 8:58, Jesus is simply saying that he existed before Abraham. “Before Abraham was born, I am.” (Koine Greek does not distinguish between upper and lower class letters as if "I AM" were a title.) Other translations translate this verse to more proper English: “Before Abraham was born, I have been” or “I existed before Abraham was born.” Rather than claiming to be God, Jesus prayed to his Father calling him “the only true God” in John 17:3. Jesus only claimed to be God’s Son. (John 10:36)
@ King James Bible
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counseller, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Isaiah 9:6
@ King James Bible
I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins
John 8:24
@@TheRamon333 When Jesus said, "If ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins," who was he claiming to be? God? In verse 42, Jesus said, "If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me." He said he came from God. God sent him. He was not saying that he was God. In verse 54, Jesus says, "If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God." Jesus always referred to his Father as God. Jesus does not honor himself. His Father, God, is the one who honors him. Jesus only claimed to be God's Son. Verses 35 and 36 say, "And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever. If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed."
@@TheRamon333 Isaiah 9:6 refers to the Messiah as "Mighty God" using the Hebrew term "El Gibbor," not "El Shaddai," which translates to "Almighty God." So the title "Mighty God" does not equate to the ultimate, omnipotent deity. This is made clear in the New Testament. In 1 Corinthians 8:5-6, Paul writes, "For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as indeed there are many 'gods' and many 'lords'), yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live." Here, Paul distinguishes between the Father as "Almighty God" (YHWH, often translated as Jehovah, see Psalm 83:18), and Jesus as "Lord." The Bible describes God as the one who raised Jesus from the dead and exalted him, making Jesus "Lord" and giving Him authority over heaven and earth (Acts 2:32-36, Matthew 28:18). This act by God makes Jesus the "Mighty God," showing that he has divine authority because it was given to him by God, not because he's the same as the Almighty. So, even though Isaiah 9:6 labels the Messiah as "Mighty God," it doesn't mean he's the same as or equal to "Almighty God."
Jesus is not God, but the problem with people who believe that is that they denegrate him to a lower level than he deseves/ Jesus speaks what hisFahter gives him to speak, when you see Jesus you see God, all the miracles Jesus performed were performed by God who indwells him, Jesus and the Father are on, one lor, and in a sense one God because Jesus funtcions as God through God who indwells him.
And you probably also believe that Piltdown Man is real.
Jesus is God. Praise the triune God.
There's a faster path to realizing that Jesus is not God. What you do is you take his word for it. The problem comes in when you start taking Paul's word for it. Because I general most people introduced to the Bible are told this is all true. But if you read Paul's work with a little scrutiny you'll discover that Paul outs himself as a liar, complaining that if it advances the kingdom that he lies why should he be called a sinner. And it's simple hes bearing false witness. He says that the law was ordained by angels and says that keeping the law is bondage. Jesus however explains that sin is bondage and following God's will is freedom. Paul gets it backwards thinking that keeping the law is bondage and sin is liberty. Not to mention that Jesus clearly stated that heaven and earth would pass away before one jot or title of the law And prophets passes away. So since we are on earth and we await Jesus to return and fulfill the rest of prophecy in both the Torah and the prophets we can be sure those still stand. We also know from reading exodus that God himself spoke the law to the children of Israel from the cloud on the mountain. And God himself spoke them to Moses after he climbed the mountain. And then God wrote them on tablets with his own finger and gave them to Moses. And Moses broke those tablets and went up again where God once again wrote them on tablets with his own finger. So what would I listen to a man that denies God. Denies his prophet Moses as well. And to top it all off Paul admits further that he determined to learn nothing of Jesus from the 12, but rather would only learn about the crucifixion. Which means Paul decided to learn nothing of Jesus life and teachings while he was here on earth. Denying Jesus entirely. And he only learned from his revelations.
Paul's revelations are problematic as well. When Jesus disciples asked of his return. Jesus was careful to say that when he returns every eye will see. And made mention if they say they saw me in the wilderness, (which the road to Damascus is) do not go after the. If they see me in the inner chamber (Paul says Jesus stood by him in an inner room) don't go after them. So I doubt entirely what Paul has to say. Jesus warned us of this. If you read deutoronomy chapter 13. God warned us well. If there arises a prophet who shows signs and wonders, and the tells you to go after other gods, you will cling to the law of God. He's testing you whether you love him.
Paul also when he coins the phrases old and new testament, puts forth the idea that when Jesus was on the cross. God died. And that's why we aren't under his law. And Jesus took his place. Which is horrible. Psalms says a fool says in his heart that God is dead. So Paul can only be considered a fool.
Paul also when he claims to be a pharisees of pharisees says that he kept the law perfectly from birth. But in acts before this he makes it clear that he was a murderer and. Blasphemer. Those two things cannot be true. But a pharisee he definitely proves to be. Since Jesus described the actions of pharisees as hipocrits. Teaching but not doing. Which is beautifully admitted to by Paul when he explains his gile and deceptive behavior. Being as a jew to jews as a gentile to gentiles. As under the law with people who are under the law. Which is the exact hipocrisy Jesus describes.
Nearly everything Paul teaches can be refuted with Jesus's words. So we know for sure when he says he learned nothing from the 12 and was determined only to learn of the crucifixion of christ that he was honest. Because if you want to believe Paul you must abandon God and Jesus. Because if you believe Paul. You can be a liar. You can be a deceiver. You can ignore all the commandments of God. You can ignore all the teachings of Jesus. You can forget about God's mighty work in exodus bringing the hebrews out of captivity. Moses never talked to God. God never gave the commandments to begin with. And God is dead and replaced with his son and a new covenant where all you have to believe is that Jesus died and ressurected and you'll be righteous. But are you really righteous when you've abandoned God abandoned good work abandoned all the teachings of Jesus. And followed a man who is a deceptive liar and says so bragging about his cunning, and that he captured you with guile, while telling you that if you do God's will your risk salvation. See I know that if someone says to disobey God, that they are a liar. Your supposed to learn this back in the garden of eden when the serpent tempts eve to disobey God. And all Paul turns out to be is a fool who listened to Satan when he appeared to him as an angel of light on the road to Damascus.
JESUS IS NOT KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS.
1 Timothy 6:15-16
15 which God will bring about in his own timet-God, the blessedu and only Ruler,v the King of kings and Lord of lords,w 16 who alone is immortalx and who lives in unapproachable light,y whom no one has seen or can see.z To him be honor and might forever. Amen.
You had the rest of it correct. ❤️
King of kings and Lord of lords refers to both of them, unless it’s just a misleading statement in revelation 17:14. It’s completely possible, in both of them having those titles being correct, or it being a misleading statement.
@@ciphergrey6298 So Jesus is God then, correct?
Scriptures show that the title King of Kings and Lord of Lords was originally held by YHWH Himself.
Following this and subsequent to Jesus' coronation to the throne, we then find the title was given to Jesus Christ in power.
Therefore and with that being said, the conclusion is that title of King of Kings and Lord of Lords is now held by Jesus Christ as a result of the authority bestowed upon Him GOD.
@@timothys4864
Based on what you've written, I get the feeling your contention is likely due to not having established what makes GOD, GOD.
And so on that note, I'd posit the following Bible declaration, in-where GOD reveals what it is that makes Him GOD(His nature);
_Thus says Yahweh, your Redeemer, and he who formed you from the womb: _*_"I am Yahweh, who makes all things_*_ who _*_alone_*_ stretches out the heavens; who spreads out the earth _*_by myself_* - Isaiah 44.24
Therefore and as can be seen here, YHWH GOD, is the Most High GOD due to the fact that He is the source and cause of all things, which include, though not limited-to; His word itself;
*_By Yahweh's word,_*_ the heavens were made; all their army by the breath of his mouth... _*_...9For he spoke,_*_ and it was done. _*_He commanded,_*_ and it stood firm_ - Psalm 33.6-9
_so shall _*_my word be that goes forth out of my mouth:_*_ it shall not return to me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing I sent it to do_ - Isaiah 55.11
In addition to this and with respect to GOD's nature, it is also apparent that no other; being, person of thing could qualify equality with GOD Himself, as all things are of GOD and where GOD is the source of all things. Of-which Jesus Himself affirmed by identifying His own GOD and Father as the only true GOD, GOD Almighty, His GOD and our GOD, etc, etc.
- hope this helps
Very sad to see this. Christ is very clearly God. (John 20:26-28)....but He is not God The Father. He is The Son in The Father's Nature (Philippians 2:5-11)
If Jesus is God & God is Jesus who was he praying to in- heb 5:7? Himself? If Christ is God and God be Christ how does he pray to himself?
I tend to think this statement, was his astonishment in Yeshua being alive again, and then his realization that because Yeshua was resurrected, God actually existed. Because if you have seen Yeshua in his resurrected form, you have seen that God actually exists at the same time.
If he is God how can u explain John 17:3?
@@jamesmccluskey391 The son was praying to the father. They are both God by nature, but they are different persons in the godhead.
@@joevenecia6254 In short, John 17:3 is in context comparing God the father as the only true God compared to idols, or false gods.
IS JESUS GOD OR NOT
DEAN-
So your previous answer does not show that Jesus existed as just a plan, it does not show that Jesus never spoke to anyone before His Incarnation, and it does not show that Jesus was just future tense in David's day. This is all your assumption, but no actual proof. But we will put that aside for now.
I will use "Yahweh" as referring to God the Father.
You said that you believe Jesus existed prior His Incarnation, just not as a conscious personal agent. But I asked "At what moment in time did Jesus begin to exist in any form?
You said, "as soon as Yahweh thought of him".
So at what moment did Yahweh first think of Jesus?
If Yahweh knows all, and He knows the future, and Jesus was a plan of Yahweh, then Yahweh has always known about Jesus. This would mean that Jesus has existed eternally, whether as a plan or something else.
Now if Jesus existed eternally as a plan, then He was not created.
If Jesus only existed as a plan and the plan was not eternal, then at some point in the past Yahweh did not know about Jesus. This would mean that Yahweh does not know everything. Do you believe that, I don't think you do.
So once again, when did Yahweh first think of Jesus? The bible verses you gave show nothing about WHEN Jesus was initially thought up as a plan by Yahweh.
Dean -
1. To use 1 Cor 13:12 to try and disprove the trinity is not very wise because this verse can be used to disprove unitarianism or anything since nobody except God knows everything. I could easily use this verse also and say you do not fully understand God which is why you do not understand the trinity. So this is just red herring.
2. The bible clearly teaches that Jesus became 100% man and dwelt among us. This is shown clearly in John(which you deny) and other places. The bible shows Jesus existing as a conscious being before the incarnation, just not as a human being. God the Father is a conscious being also, yet not a human being either.
3. Do we have bible verses that show Jesus existed in human form before His incarnation? Yes.
4. Do we have verses that show Jesus existed as a conscious being before His incarnation but not as a human? Yes. You said you have studied the bible for a long time, if you have then I am surprised that you have not read any of these passages or studied them.
Dean -
You said - I just wanted to add something on to your last reply, but it's gone now! We are specifically told that Jesus didn't speak to anyone before his birth, so I'm basing part of my view on specifically that: Hebrews 1:2 (NASB95) in these last days has spoken to us in His Son ... This specifically tells us that Jesus never spoke to them in the Old Testament times!
That is false and not what the verse says at all. Why do you keep taking what verses say and then telling me they say something that they do not.
Two very important points on this.
1. All this verse is saying is that Yahweh does not speak to us through the prophets anymore but through the Son. Nowhere does it say that Yahweh NEVER spoke to us through the Son in the past. The verse does not say that Jesus NEVER spoke to anyone in the OT. It only describes some ways through which the people were spoken to in the past. We know that there were other ways, but they are just not mentioned here, for example, visions and dreams.
If you told me that in the past you spoke to your parents by telephone, should I take that to mean that you NEVER spoke to them in person face to face? No, all you are saying is that you spoke to them by telephone in the past. I would be assuming something that is not there. That is what you are doing with Heb 1:2.
2. Now you use Heb 1:2 as an example. Let's look at this for a moment.
Heb 1:1-2 (NASB) - 1 God, after He spoke long ago to the fathers IN(en) THE PROPHETS in many portions and in many ways, 2 in these last days has spoken to us in(en) His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom He also made the world.
Earlier when discussing Col 1:16 you said - "In him" absolutely seems to mean that Jesus was not there. [In(en) Him.]
Heb 1:1 uses the same Greek word "en" to describe how Yahweh spoke to us in the past.
It says - 1 God, after He spoke long ago to the fathers "IN(en) THE PROPHETS" in many portions and in many ways,
Now if you are consistent then you will have to say that the phrase "IN(en) THE PROPHETS" means that the prophets were not there either. Also in verse 2 it says that in the last days Yahweh spoke to us "in(en) His Son". If "in(en) Him" in Col 1:16 means that Jesus was not there, then "in the prophets" means that the prophets were not there, and in these last days "in His Son" means Jesus is not there speaking. Therefore Yahweh did not speak to us in the past and Yahweh is not speaking to us in the last days.
Will you agree to that? I don't think so otherwise you be contradicting yourself.
@@timothys4864 Sorry Tim, I think you're confused about the word "in". It certainly DOESN'T mean the exact same thing in every case, for example: "I'm in trouble" and "I'm in the building". One of those "in"s is about WHERE I was, the other "in" implies a state or circumstance and doesn't actually say anything about where I was, it certainly doesn't mean I was physically located in a place called "trouble". This is how you're using the word "en" in the Bible, you have to simply look at the context to see what is logically being said by the author. Sometimes there might be 2 possible readings, and you have to go with the one that's the most likely. So there's no problem with using "in" in a different sense in both Heb 1:1-2 and in Col 1:16.
Second, I want to reiterate that I assumed NOTHING in my previous reply where I gave all those verses. The verses' plain meaning is that Yahweh was not the Father yet, and that He will one day in the future.
I think you can't possibly read Heb 1:1-2 and not see what I'm saying. The Son (Jesus) didn't speak to people in the Old Testament. God spoke to people through "various ways" and prophets etc.
Lastly, I would like you to please provide Bible verses that say what you're claiming, instead of just ad hominem attacks please. Show me clear direct verses that state Jesus existed in human form before his conception. Please also provide those verses you said you had about Jesus existing consciously before his birth.
@@lizzard13666
I will give the verse in the OT after you answer the question I asked before. You have not answered it and do not say that you did. You gave another ambiguous answer but will not tell me When Yahweh first thought of Jesus. I will repeat the question.
When did Yahweh first think of Jesus? The bible verses you gave show nothing about WHEN Jesus was initially thought up as a plan by Yahweh.
Heb 1:1-2 does not say that the Son did not speak to anyone in the OT. You are once again lying and twisting the verse.
You also go translation shopping and are not honest with the verses. You use the NASB to try and support your claim on Col 1:16, but avoid the KJV. But then you try to use the KJV with Wayne when it suits you.
Because you have fallen away from the truth.
Lies Lies Lies 😢😮😅😂
I believe in Jesus Christ The son of God and my father God and I no that Jesus Christ is not God the Father I would love to have someone to come to my town and talk to the church they believe that Jesus Christ is God I truly tried to talk to them but they don't listen to me I don't know what to do God bless you 🙏🙏🙏
You are a great scholar. Honesty bringeth forth honesty and truth. To die believing there is only one God, is the rationale of/for our existence. It would have been great to have accepted Al-Islam. But Allah ( Azawajal) promises that whoever believes there is only one God, will eventually enter Paradise and those who associate partners with Allah, will never smell the fragrance of Paradise. Once you abandon the trinity, the next step is to read (KJV)John 16 V 12-14 and follow what it says. Once you do, you find it leads to only one destination, Prophet Mohammad and Al-Islam. May Allah guide us all, ameen.
@Allashka such a great point, Allah represents no god, no life, no love. Following Mohammed teaching is the same as following death, and a crazy man
God the righteous Judge - Psalms 50:
16 But to the wicked God says:
“What right have you to declare My statutes,
Or take My covenant in your mouth,
17 Seeing you hate instruction
And cast My words behind you?
18 When you saw a thief, you consented[c] with him,
And have been a partaker with adulterers.
19 You give your mouth to evil,
And your tongue frames deceit.
20 You sit and speak against your brother;
You slander your own mother’s son.
21 These things you have done, and I kept silent;
You thought that I was altogether like you;
But I will rebuke you,
And set them in order before your eyes.
22 “Now consider this, you who forget God,
Lest I tear you in pieces,
And there be none to deliver:
23 Whoever offers praise glorifies Me;
And to him who orders his conduct aright
I will show the salvation of God.”
Tell me something. What do you think about the shroud of Turin, and who do you think it is?
@@ciphergrey6298 Good thing you left the other thread, you were making yourself look very foolish. 😂🤣
@@timothys4864 you’ve got some screws loose bub. I don’t like where yours are missing.
This is heresy
Disagree… Jesus is the Son of God
Unless he is right, in which case you believe in heresy.
Prove to us otherwise
Yes Jesus is the son and God is the father
You see the deity throughout the whole Bible
@danielrivera220 I wouldn't say the whole Bible, but it is definitely alluded to a few times. Not out right stated, though.
In Islam Jesus is a great prophet , Islam is the original teachings of Jesus
You and Islam are preaching a different Jesus. Islam is definitely NOT the original teaching of Jesus of Nazareth. When you turn form your wicked and sinful ways and confess them to the God of Israel in humility, then the salvation of God will be revealed to you in Jesus Christ.
The Bible we have today is the same one Mohammad affirmed in the Quran. This is a historical fact. Mohammad said that Jews and Christians should live by what this book told them. This means that if the Bible contradicts the Quran, we should listen to Mohammad and follow the Bible!
@@NorKim-f3b So what?
@@lizzard13666 turn to the God of 10 commandments. Follow 10 commandments of God. 1 commandment, God said don't bring other gods against my face. 2.commmandment, don't worship and idol.
@@NorKim-f3b Yep. I read the Bible regularly, I'm familiar with the 10 Commandments. Where are the 10 Commandments in the Quran? I love the 10 Commandments, why are you bringing them up?
Jesus is God. Praise the triune God.
Every human is sent & required as a child. Child is triune, which is the image, likeness of our Maker the creator.
@@dayakarrao2206 Can't argue with such foolishness. Just admit you are not a Christian and stop hiding.
Idolatry
@@cc3775 It is idolatry to worship a God other than Jesus.
@@timothys4864 no it’s idolatry to worship a man as God
Jesus was no more than a preacher man, who admitted he was nothing without, what he felt, was guidance from God.
You are definitely deceived . Jesus Christ is the MESSIAH !
@@jeffreypetree7163
Perhaps you should acquaint yourself with the requirements necessary before a person can be accepted as a Messiah.
@@edwardlongfellow5819 I know who Jesus is , he's my savior ☝️. You sound like the passage below.
Romans 1:28-32
King James Version
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them
@@jeffreypetree7163
I feel that you have gone completely beyond the pale in your opinion of me. When you speak of haters of God have you ever considered
the plight of a people mentioned in Numbers 31:17-18 King James Version
17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. 18 But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves. Do we not find God encouraging the awful practice of genocide in this Passage?
@@edwardlongfellow5819 listen Guy I'm 100% believer in JESUS CHRIST,. I hope you are 👀 but your twisting up scriptures which isn't a good thing . I'll pray for you .. 🙏☝️🙏☝️🙏