On average it takes 2 years to get all the bugs & gremlins fixed in a new RV. Many get frustrated and sell or trade in their unit before all items are fixed.
“Josh the RV Nerd” has the best RV content out there. He is a true consumer advocate and extremely helpful for first time buyers. Thank you Bish’s for giving Josh the opportunity to share his wisdom with us so truthfully!! We live in Florida but are looking into Bish’s for our first time purchase BECAUSE of how helpful Josh the RV Nerd has been while doing our research!! I already thanked you in beginning of this video but after consuming all the content we want to thank both Josh and Bish’s for their contributions. Keep up the great work!! Thanks again Josh!!!
Josh as you say, you are blessed and we are blessed there is someone like you to keep us informed on what's happening around you and for showing us all the amazing RVs that are out there. You make us smile with things like "snack, crap and nap", you help us make major decisions that impact our families and friends. Please know for every one comment you see there are 100 others that feel the same way that don't comment. So consider this as 100 people saying we are blessed to have you.
I agree! I own a 2022 motorhome that started out with issues and missing parts. I have had previous coaches which had issues when they were new. One dealership told me that is to be expected. That shouldn't be so!
I hope they pay you well Josh. You are the most entertaining and real guy talking about RV stuff. thank you. I hope someday when we pull the trigger on a rig, that I can consider the company you work for. Thank you for all the honest information
Lazy Daze Class C coaches were truly a cut above, with owners taking the kind of pride and enjoying comraderie along the lines of Airstream owners. What a shame. Built to order only, with most excellent quality control and customer service, to the degree of making most clients customers for life.
I always enjoy watching you and appreciate all your hard work to share updates, news, reviews etc... You are the main reason my husband and I bought our camper a yr ago! Thank you!! Always enjoy your humor 😁🌺
Absolutely....Josh is simply the best. I always look forward too and enjoy his industry updates. I've leant a lot from watching this true professional!
There is no question that your content is the best but walking thru the RV yard made it even MORE amazing cuz we never got bored and I already saw “wolf pup black edition and NO BO trailers that I was looking for” ❤excellent work Nerd 👍👍👍👍
Unfortunately it’s more about the corporates trying to determine what will happen in the future. In my experience, “extended breaks” translates to “extended lay-offs”. In light of what’s going on economically (not limited to the RV game), I can imagine the manufacturers taking part in a trimming of the workforce.
@@blue.5058 For sure, I work at a small college and was helping this professor with his computer and they were talking on the phone about the austerity, the crushing of wages, spending and investment, and was surprised, he was a music teacher and not an econ guy but is absolutely correct
After years of being from a 24 ft travel trailer to a 40 ft pusher, And now dune & out only due to old age! I really like your show & think the Industry needs a lot more people like you!
I stay away from Camping World and Gander. They are so overwhelming over priced that I could go a few states away and save nearly $9,000.00 on certain brands of RV.
Tell me salesmen don't know about NLP Nero linguistic programming, you'll know when u get home & wonder how u ended up so screwed. RV Country stay away from too. Not so easy canceling & getting ur money back, they know all the tricks. Sales people,different kind of animal.
@@sov19871987 .. you won’t get any extra insurance. Just a somewhat fix here and fix there. That is when your warranty expires and you are on your own. Camping World is known for taking months to repair anything. In most cases rv owners have to rely on themselves and UA-cam videos of other owners to help fix anything.
Josh, this feels different than 2018. The consumer, manufacturers and dealers are ALL bucking the Federal Reserve with increasing cost of money vs. 2018 of lowering interest rates. Not to mention in 2018 a gallon of unleaded was $2.57 vs. $5.01. Every way you slice it- RV’ing is a lot more money to participate. Terrific video!
So glad that Bish lets you continue with the same information content and format from the past. I like to think they purchased Heywood so that they could associate their dealership with the public confidence your videos engender. Ask for a raise and a percentage of the profits. 😁
I've had 4 different RVs (2- Coachman, 1-Shasta, and 1- Keystone) and I suggest the RV manufactures take advantage of the slow down to train the employees on quality construction. I had a brand new Keystone with a side wall leak (delamination) on the first time out. It went back to the seller who replaced the leaking wall (caused by the cable bracket). I took it back again for the floor swelling below the wall that was repaired previously. Now, the other wall that connects to the replaced wall has delamination. The Keystone has been stored under a carport when not in use since we purchased it new. *All of our RVs have been purchased new.
Josh, thank you for all of the time, hard work, reviews, videos, your humor (love it) and your honesty. You are a true gem and a shining example of what we need more of.
My water pump broke. Driving down the freeway in Cheyenne I spotted a Bish dealership. A beautiful facility that they opened up just 10 days earlier. I was greeted at the door by an employee who pointed me to the parts department. Another employee showed me the water pumps and answered all my questions. Everyone was polite and very knowledgeable about the products. This is a wonderful dealership with great employees. I think you are working for a wonderful organization.
So happy to see you come to TX. Just a FYI it has been 20+ days >100° so you may want to wait a few months until you come visit, can you let everyone know when you are coming. We would be happyto come visitwith you & give you a BIG TX welcome. We enjoyed all of the RV updates, thanks for everything.
Our very first RV was a Lazy Daze - it was the best RV in terms of design and build quality I have ever owned. I am very sad that they seem to have closed their doors - they were a fantastic manufacturer!
Josh my husband & I are so happy we found your channel. We've gained the best information from you and we're about to pull the trigger on purchasing our first new travel trailer instead of used ones as we start full time RVing. As for the trailer that gains weight every year.....hey that happens to many of us! Trailers & grandmothers alike, no matter what we gain a little weight every year.
lol TY I don't use a gimbal/stabilizer/anything like that. I've just learned to control my breathing while speaking and walk a little more smoothly when recording
It would be nice to see the manufactures that are cutting back to 3 or 4 day build schedule and use that extra day or two to inspect for quality issues and fix them before shipping to the dealers to fix and repair. That's not going to happen.
I always enjoy the information. I've been researching for 2 years now, and just as we are getting ready to buy we've had about 4 major house disasters and 1 family one. I'm watching my dream money for my truck and 5th wheel slip away. But we keep looking and planning. Your videos are my mainstay!
You are my favorite salesman, Josh! You have blessed us with honesty and candid discussion that is invaluable to the decision making process. Thank you!!!
I've started seening more and more used campers for sale on FB market place. Several 2020, 2021 models. As I predicted people bought campers during pandemic and now they realize it's alot of work and don't use it that often.
Yep and a lot of them are trying to still sell for more than they paid for the thing or what they owe on it which is still pretty high. The only good deals people will actually find are the ones that put down a sizable amount or are willing to pay off a portion and take a loss. Otherwise people are going to be sitting on the stuff long after the season is over.
Many are panic selling right now too. They see the RV market turning downward and are going to try to get top dollar. Problem is the market is saturated with both new and used RV’s
@ Steve's Customtransport I don’t think people will still on them they gotta pay insurance on them not to mention storage fees unless they’re lucky and got it in there driveway. That’s still $300 a month give or take Down the drain. Either that or let the bank have it.
@@thestooges333 that's what I'm saying though pay off more as much as they can to get the price down where they can sell it. But somebody else said there's probably going to be a lot of repos unfortunately as well. Toys are first to go. I have access to a good bit of auction listings and there's quite a few out there already 2020 and 2021 MYs
The reason it seems like it’s not a buyers market or sellers market is because we’re at the tippy top of the reversing market trend, from scarcity and high prices, to growing inventory and lower demand. As the lots get filled with new RVs that are over 1 year old, then we’ll start seeing the competing fire sales. That’s how a free market works, perfectly.
Dealers will do everything to hold off reducing prices, but if you're browsing a lot stuffed to the gills with unsold (and aging) units the game will be up. It's going to start hurting the manufacturers when they're forced to increase their incentives back to the dealers to give them wiggle room to sell these things.
Completely off topic- however, it’s refreshing to see you walk around your entire dealership and not one slide-out is open. I have five dealerships near me - one national chain, one regional chain, and three small, independent dealers and they all have ALL the slides open ALL the time. Some have been open since this winter. Not that they are getting damaged, but I can’t imagine that some of them aren’t. Especially when they are not leveled properly and don’t have their stabilizers down. I remember you talking about this in one of your videos a while back and can’t help but notice it now when I pass a dealership.
Were also hoping for the RV market to go down since everything I saw that was going for 20k before pandemic are now going for 30k+. Some savings are better than none. Those Ember RV at the beginning of the video are looking HOT!!!!!! Great info and update for us folks not into reading much about the RV market.
RV manufacturers buying their supplier companies is a perfect example of what's known as vertical integration. RV manufacturers buying other RV manufacturers is what's known as horizontal integration. I actually remembered something from my college business courses!
Another great video Josh, we bought a new 21 GD after watching so many of your videos. You are a wealth of knowledge and I continue watching you. Thanks for all you do
Thanks for another interesting update, Josh! I'm glad you mentioned CCC. As a FTer, CCC is critically important to me. But I think it is a piece of data that is often overlooked, especially by newer RVers. It is so easy (and dangerous) to overload an RV, when you add all your personal items, toys & campsite accoutrements. This happened to friends of ours when they bought their first RV, they actually didn't consider CCC at all. They loaded up & headed out, only to discover later that they were very seriously overweight. And the RV was too heavy also. 😉😊
Josh: This month’s RV industry update might apply much broader than just to the RV industry. The decrease in prices for lumber, aluminum and steel, the closing of some plants, the manufacturer’s cutback in production hours, the decrease in units shipped from the manufacturer’s, dealer cutbacks on unit orders, the increase in unsold inventory, the continuing inflation in both wholesale and retail invoice prices, when all these factors are taken together, these indicators just might be saying “RECESSION is coming”. What you’ve indirectly mentioned are some key leading economic indicators used by the Fed. For example, nonfarm payroll employment, industrial production/capacity utilization, retail sales, personal consumption expenditures, business to business sales and Inventories and light weight vehicle sales. Resprctfully, W.S.
Josh is lightly touching on global supply chains and how they are affecting the RV industry. If that kind of stuff interest you Peter Zeihan just put out a book detailing the end of globalization and the rebirth of large scale US manufacturing. You should check it out.
Really appreciate the monthly wrap up Josh. Always a little bit of everything in there. This month I felt the irony of the content as you just wrapped up the discussion on parts and service challenges and then promptly walked past my rig sitting in your back lot awaiting...wait for it...parts and service. Keep up the great work!
Josh, if sales are beginning to slow and manufacturers are reducing production, let me give you one reason among many. According to your chart, around 50,000 RV's are produced each month. That's half a million or more each year. So, by the end of this year in 3 years, 1,500,000 RV's will have been produced. Answer me this; how many new RV camping sites have been built? Answer; not many. Selling 500,000 units per year into a market with zero new campsites (even accounting for replacement RV's where old ones are taken out of service) is a problem with no solution. We have a 2021 Jayco 24RL. We enjoy it and take a grandkid with us often. But, we have to start very early in the year trying to reserve campsites even though we don't really know our schedules later in the summer. RV's are not like automobiles, though the roadways are choked with cars in some areas of the country. To use one, you need a campsite in a location and at a time that fits your needs. This is getting more and more difficult. There is a recession coming and things are going to be quite different economically in about 9 months.
Max, I think you'd be surprised at the number of new campsites. 80,000 were expected to be added last year according to a survey of park owners by their trade association. I'm not sure the number this year. Unfortunately, very few of those are state/county/federal campsites, and most are really expensive resorts. But there has been a boom in campground construction as well.
I don’t care what the TV says …we’re in a historic recession ☹️ Sad about his Family company….these are the kinds of businesses I like to support…especially since China manufactures every DAMN thing we have in AMERICA….pardon me ….just a genuine concern ….Support American made everyone ❤️from TX
@@JoshtheRVNerd I admire your work ethics and if you weren't so far from me it would be a pleasure to work for a company with those values. Keep it up 👍
I was going to buy last year. I kept praying about it and keep hearing wait. Im so glad I did and will continue to do so. The prices are absolutely ridiculous and the rvs/trailers in the past several years are horribly built. Its only going to get worse come winter for this country. Prices SHOULD be brought down...way down.God Bless. 1 Corinthians 15 1-4
Doing the same thing...waiting. The build quality has to improve. These trailers haven't changed that much in the way there built in 3 years to warrant the prices. I got time.
I agree. I was in the same boat. I’m glad I didn’t buy anything during the height of the pandemic. I came across a slightly used RV when initially I was looking at new RV’s. I bought the well taken care of used RV and he threw in everything I was gonna have to buy like a water softener, heavy duty hitch, stabilizer bars, all the hoses, new canopy, upgraded propane tanks from 20lb to 30 lb, tools and even camping gear. I saved myself $15-$20k. Even though I didn’t buy the RV I was thinking of buying I’m fine with the purchase because it has everything I needed and wanted. Of course I’m buying little things here and there specifically for my needs.
I bought new last yr and so far so good. Didn't really pay any inflated prices (about $30k otd for a Radiance 30ft bunkhouse with slide). If your waiting for quality to improve to buy you'll be buying your next rv from Jesus cause it won't happen in this lifetime.
@@ninji5226 Oh it'll happen. Once this economy improves. Won't be for a while though. Plus manufacturer's are already slowing productivity due to slowing sales due to prices and poor quality control.
@@USNavyAR5 I hope your right but rv's were built like crap long before the pandemic, I don't see them improving just because. It's quantity over quality, always has been, always will be.
Thanks for your monthly updates. We really like learning more about the current situation of the RV world especially since we are looking to buy a travel trailer in the near future. We would love to see a top 5 list of couples travel trailers with nice outdoor kitchens that are under 30 feet and 1/2 ton towable. We find many floorplans we love but most couples campers do not have full outdoor kitchens. These seem to be found more often on bunkhouse campers Please give that list some thought. Would appreciate your input.
I'm from La Grande, Oregon home of Nash Trailer's, I welded chassis for them for 2 years, also Outdoors RV is in La Grande and Keystone is just over the hill in Pendleton as you mentioned. We had a Terry Trailer factory most of my life but it shut down years ago.
I noticed around our Junction City, Oregon store there looked to be several now-closed small RV Mfgs... I always hate to see that happen Like when Lazy Daze closed. That was a bummer
I'm more than 3 years out from my next RV, but I thoroughly enjoy these videos and your analysis. I might be driving 700 miles from NC to get my next one.
I really enjoy your open and honest approach! I really wish I had heard of you before we purchased our present RV. Because it would have set my mind a little more at ease and not gotten blind sided by a few things. Again thank you for open and honest presentations!
I would agree that sales have slipped and inventories are building. That view is based on RV dealerships that we have driven by in the last few months and have actually visited. It was bound to happen. One point you made was that manufacturers have kept their foot on the accelerator of producing RVs in spite of seeing a slow down in purchases. If there was any realization of a hint of slowing sales, the manufacturers of this consumer discretionary product should have adjusted production accordingly.
As a manufacturer, even though a component has dropped in price, what we have in stock that was purchased at higher prices takes time to get used up and the individual component is only part of the overall cost of a finished unit. Obviously some components have a significantly greater influence in total pricing than other components.
Welcome aboard! I have over like.. 6,000 videos on this channel for you. Most of it is individually focused & deeply detailed RV tours/reviews But I try to work in tips and insights/news-stuff like this where I can. I'm fortunate that I'm allowed pretty much full freedom on what I want to say and how i want to present it. This allows me to be super candid
Re: cargo capacity. I have a 2002 Jayco 231qb and a 2022 Sprinter 31TB. The Jack has 900 lbs more ccc than the Sprinter, even though it is 9 feet shorter. Shrinkage is real. I think it has something to do with the four seasons packages and modern electrical work in the units. I think the insulation and waterproofing as well as the solar packages are eating up ccc in ways we may not be aware of.
Thanks, Josh the Nerd! I just subscribed, but I have been watching you for a while. I'm starting to enjoy your channel. Of course, I'm in the market for "something" in the near future.
Based on the overflowing inventory on dealer lots in my area and inflation at a 4 decade high with interest rates climbing and the cost of fuel, well I think prices will fall off a cliff or they will continue to sit on the lot and be homes for mice.
I've been in Shipshewana the last few days on a trip from TN. Thought of you while watch a caravan of Geo pros heading up the road! Thx for all your excellent information.
Charging consumers triple the amount for a product will do that (decline). Some camper vans going for 130k after MSRP when those same models used to go for under 100k is horrible. These RV manufactures are price gauging and nothing more. Cannot wait to see it slap them in the face.
You said it price gouging. Yet people don’t care and buy anyway for some reason maybe stupidity. And now they’re in debt and some rvs will get repossessed. Deals are coming on 22’s and used before the years end . If not the 22’s will sit in Indiana and rot. They’ll be selling at a lose just like used ones .
I watched an older video from BigTruck RV, I believe, of a 2020 fifth wheel that we really fell in love with the floor plan. In the video, the rig was at a dealership and you could see a price tag, not a sale but regular, of just over $50k. So I looked up the 2022 version which is 99% the same as the 2020 and the price was over $100k. I call BS
@@rsmartin68 agreed!! We paused in 2020 on the camper but bought the truck. Now the camper prices are ridiculous so we are waiting again and possibly selling the truck if prices don’t drop.
@@dreadedddd1008 Not as bad as RVs. Rams going to winne for 2021 Ram models were 40 To 41k. For the Solis 59P winme charged an MSRP of 119k and for 2022 dodge rams, they increased mrsp to 130k. I got mine 59P for 86k but still got screwed because the parts they put in are not that expensive.
Bought a F 350 1 1/2 years ago, still no RV in my garage. Might hold off selling the truck as I've been planning on but low odds. Quality, price and economy. Hope the industry gets through the struggle but it's getting real.
Manufacturers will need to start building better quality products, id you can't get warranty work completed, then there's no reason to buy new vs used. If in the end you have to pay for repair costs because it sits and you aren't using it, then your warranty will timeout and you would have been better off buying a cheaper used vehicle and still be liable for repairs and save money in the long-term. Besides I would not buy a RV made in 2021&2022. Quality right now is horrible . All this will long-term hurt the RV industry if quality doesn't get better quickly. Case in point, look at what happened to the American car manufacturers, RV'S will price themselves out and travel will return to hotels and airbnb's if manufacturers don't wake up to what's going on in the world and industries. I hope not, but beyond our control. Love your videos. Keep them coming. Thanks for all your doing
I think they are going to try and keep the prices high by slowing down production. Really think prices need to back down from the last year. Over inflated. Think everyone should just wait a year and put the pressure on the manufacturers to bring prices back to realistic and normal.
Kind of like you mentioned the VIN# between a 2022 and a 2023 RV would be a rise in price, so was the cute, little "Metropolitan". Back in the early 1950's, both "Nash" and "Hudson" decided to produce a smaller car for mostly city driving/commuting/errands. With the assistance of British manufacturer "Austin-Healey", they designed and built an adorable 2 + 2 seat coupe and convertible, especially suited for women/housewives/ mothers. It had a tiny 4 cylinder engine, a 4 speed column shift, optional radio & heater. There was no trunk lid... luggage was passed through a fold-down rear seat. Door vent windows were finally added toward the end of the run. But as you stated about RV updates, whatever leftover models "Metropolitan" had left on hand suddenly became NEW!!! So, technically, a leftover 1959 became a "BRAND NEW!" 1960... UGH... 😡
I have a ‘56. Three on the tree and a AM tube radio that warms up before you slowly get sound. Brake lights are hydraulic operated from the brake cylinder. So no brakes, no lights. I guess that a feature. So far the Lucas-Girling wiring is holding up!
Great information thanks. The one issue I see with lots of unsold 2022's and 2023s coming out is what does the dealership do next summer if they still have lots full of 2022's and 2023's. There will have to be some inducements to get people to look at the 2022's. I know there used to be model change allowances given to dealerships on cars but will the rv manufactures give the same kind of inducements to dealers for 2022 models that have been sitting on the dealership lots for 6 to 8 months because of consumer demand falloff now?
Lazy Daze - Having lived my entire life in the western U.S., I've seen those motorhomes on the road for years and years. Quite frankly, didn't know they were still actually making new RVs, so it's sad to hear that they finally closed up shop! 2023 Model Year Rollout - Not excited to hear this news. It seems like we had only one year of industry-wide acceptance of a July-June model year and I fear this is going to be an excuse to go back to coming out with the new models when each mfg feels like it...and worse yet, 'half-year' new models. The dreaded 'early 2023 model' vs. the 'late 2023' model of the same floorplan. This is NOT good news! And an even bigger wish is that manufacturers could actually get their product catalogs out when they release their new models...and not in Nov/Dec every year. "Buyer's Market" - Hopefully the pendulum is swinging back to buyers but I think what you're describing now is more normal market conditions. It's like when the local 'hype-hot' real estate markets finally slow down and homes sit "on the market" for 2-4 weeks, everyone starts to lament how "bad" the market is...when in fact that's just a "normal" market. How soon we forget! Bad markets are when homes/rvs sit on the market/lot for months and months...or longer. Low CCC Becoming a Problem - Amen!!!!! Especially when you realize that CCC doesn't account for the other things that you HAVE TO HAVE before you leave home to go camping including water weight, battery weight, and propane weight before you even get to clothes, food, power cords, water/sewer accessories, etc., etc., etc. I really wish mfgs would build for CCC of 30%-35% of the total GVWR no matter the size of the unit. Of all the great content you put out, Josh, these Industry Updates are right at the top! Keep up the good work.
I own a 2004 Lazy Daze, and I'm so saddened that they have closed. They were the first manufacturer of the Class C design way back in 1955 (as I recall). I looked for a very long time to find an RV for me to go full-time in and Lazy Daze was the only one that fit the bill. So sad to see them go the way of Born Free out of Iowa. Highest quality Class C's ever made. 😔
Agree with everything said here as usual. On the transport end it's trickling down to us as well. Dealers filling up. Manufacturers are still putting out units weekly but some are planning to have a few weeks shut down again in August as well. Imagine it will be pretty lean coming into the fall. Dealers will still have to carry 2023 inventory so I imagine a lot of the 22 models will be having to leave the lot for a sizable discount. Good for consumers but many dealers are going to have to start making it up on quantity at Slimmer margins. Hopefully the manufacturers are able to trim down their costs as well with the supply chain being restored for the most part
As being a line worker at a RV manufacturer I really wished the industry would take it easy when sales are booming because when things slow down it really can hurt the pocket book when we have the time we off don't get me wrong pay I s great on a 3 to 5 day week but taking a week or weeks off just is not a good thing when it comes to the consistency of a pay check
The entire industry is slowing down some places like keystone have closed some plants down and even grand design has shut the doors on one of there plants and yes most place are working 3 to 4 days a week
The reason for a shutdown every year is to retool for model year changes. It is not for the benefit of the employees. If their vacation is only allowed during this shutdown period, then the manufacturers have a captured workforce with few if any alternatives.
As a owner of a Lazy Daze, this really hurts. I can't think of another traditional class c on the market I would want after having been spoiled with this one.
Went through Indiana a couple months ago and there were thousands of rvs parked everywhere. I was shocked at the amount of inventory. Every dealership you pass is bulging with inventory as well. Gonna be a long winter for the dealers. The boom is over.
Oh, you mean things are back to pre-COVID? When dealers had inventory or could get you the camper/features you wanted quickly? Don't have short term memory; an industry correction is not doom. Also, part of the reason there are RV's in Indiana is it is still difficult to get them delivered - driver/trucking shortage is still very real.
@@incog2901 Really? What country are you in? There was a driver shortage prior to COVID - it is now far worse and no signs of it getting better any time soon.
Here in Florida I see the market is coming in heavy with used RV's. Several reasons are that those that got their RV's during Covid, rushed into it (1) having the wrong vehicle to tow it, (2) HOA or (3) storage is way more expensive to keep in storage. Every RV lot is pretty well stocked up with 2022 models and some pretty well priced and now with holidays coming they will be looking to get them off their lot!
I can imagine with RVs often being a temporary housing solution after a natural disaster more often in florida the used market there IS a bit more saturated.. makes sense
I feel like these manufacturers need to stop building stuff that falls apart going down the road and more need to build structurally sound ones like tiny houses on wheels or like an airstream or scamp that doesn't need a new roof by the time you get it home. Just my opinion, imagine a travel trailer with a 20 year warranty that you never had to use 🤷
...well, I suppose you could always buy an airstream or scamp. I've never owned one, but in addition to scamp, casita looks like an awesome small rv. Wife and I toured the factory in Texas a while back, ...she thinks they're too small, but to me, they seem just right. You can sleep in it, cook in it, and even get them with a toilet/shower and an AC/heat unit. What else do you need? Presumably, you are taking them somewhere where the purpose is to be in that place, not to hang out in an RV all day.
@@eventhisidistaken I would but I have a small addiction to my motorcycle that kind of scratches those off the list. I think I've come to the fact I'm just going to have to buy an aluminum enclosed trailer and build it out to my needs.
Just purchased our very first RV, never used 2020 Keystone Springdale 298BH FOR $23K, ask was $29k. When we got insurance quote’s valuation came in at $27-29K depending on insurance company providing the quote. We think we did okay based on that information. We will upgrade in the future but that will require a huge investment in a newer truck, mine is a 2000 Excursion 7.3 diesel. Going to a fifth wheel is a huge deal but we like the space and movable house on wheels design.
Since manufacturers have slowed production, maybe they could use these facilities and manpower to fix all the RVs that need warranty work...🤔
There's no money in that.
THIS 1000%!!!!!
Good suggestion!!!
Wouldn’t that be impressive! 🤔😂
On average it takes 2 years to get all the bugs & gremlins fixed in a new RV. Many get frustrated and sell or trade in their unit before all items are fixed.
Increased prices, poor quality and customer service are giving the rv business a harsh slap of reality
What has changed over the years??
Same around the world.
FACTS!!! PREACH!!!!
Exactly. The amount of force they use to try and get you into their campers is ridiculous.
Gas prices!
“Josh the RV Nerd” has the best RV content out there. He is a true consumer advocate and extremely helpful for first time buyers.
Thank you Bish’s for giving Josh the opportunity to share his wisdom with us so truthfully!!
We live in Florida but are looking into Bish’s for our first time purchase BECAUSE of how helpful Josh the RV Nerd has been while doing our research!!
I already thanked you in beginning of this video but after consuming all the content we want to thank both Josh and Bish’s for their contributions.
Keep up the great work!!
Thanks again Josh!!!
Wow TY Joshua! :)
Same here. I’m planning on visiting next spring!😃
We are too!
Josh as you say, you are blessed and we are blessed there is someone like you to keep us informed on what's happening around you and for showing us all the amazing RVs that are out there. You make us smile with things like "snack, crap and nap", you help us make major decisions that impact our families and friends. Please know for every one comment you see there are 100 others that feel the same way that don't comment. So consider this as 100 people saying we are blessed to have you.
For the current prices, these new RV's should be coming into dealerships spit shined and flawless, or damn near.
Hard to shine balsa wood, elmer's glue and duct tape.
That unfortunately not the case. Just saw a Cougar 22MLS and this "premium" unit listing for almost $50k had a bunch of build issues.
For sure.
They weren’t build that way pre 2019.
I agree! I own a 2022 motorhome that started out with issues and missing parts. I have had previous coaches which had issues when they were new. One dealership told me that is to be expected. That shouldn't be so!
Thanks Josh. Your nerdness is a badge of honor for someone like me. Love the consumer advice!
I hope they pay you well Josh. You are the most entertaining and real guy talking about RV stuff. thank you. I hope someday when we pull the trigger on a rig, that I can consider the company you work for. Thank you for all the honest information
I've seen his car, they need to up his pay tenfold.
@@stevescustomtransport2222 a vehicle is not a good way to attempt to judge how much someone makes.
@@outbacker292 obviously, a little sarcasm here
@@outbacker292 he's a pretty humble guy and an asset to the company I'm sure they take care of him!
Hahahaha
Lazy Daze Class C coaches were truly a cut above, with owners taking the kind of pride and enjoying comraderie along the lines of Airstream owners. What a shame. Built to order only, with most excellent quality control and customer service, to the degree of making most clients customers for life.
I always enjoy watching you and appreciate all your hard work to share updates, news, reviews etc... You are the main reason my husband and I bought our camper a yr ago! Thank you!! Always enjoy your humor 😁🌺
Absolutely....Josh is simply the best. I always look forward too and enjoy his industry updates. I've leant a lot from watching this true professional!
Ty Lynne
There is no question that your content is the best but walking thru the RV yard made it even MORE amazing cuz we never got bored and I already saw “wolf pup black edition and NO BO trailers that I was looking for”
❤excellent work Nerd 👍👍👍👍
TY
Shout out to the RV Nerd for correctly recognizing that working families need a break during the summer!!!
how dare you peasant talk down to your master and demand to leave the plantation?
Unfortunately it’s more about the corporates trying to determine what will happen in the future.
In my experience, “extended breaks” translates to “extended lay-offs”. In light of what’s going on economically (not limited to the RV game), I can imagine the manufacturers taking part in a trimming of the workforce.
@@blue.5058 For sure, I work at a small college and was helping this professor with his computer and they were talking on the phone about the austerity, the crushing of wages, spending and investment, and was surprised, he was a music teacher and not an econ guy but is absolutely correct
After years of being from a 24 ft travel trailer to a 40 ft pusher, And now dune & out only due to old age!
I really like your show & think the Industry needs a lot more people like you!
Wow TY Terry
I stay away from Camping World and Gander. They are so overwhelming over priced that I could go a few states away and save nearly $9,000.00 on certain brands of RV.
I walked out on them. I did my research before working a trade. They wanted to low ball me for my unit even though they were selling an 2018 for 35k.
Camping world is horrible everywhere, I refuse to buy anything from them!
Tell me salesmen don't know about NLP Nero linguistic programming, you'll know when u get home & wonder how u ended up so screwed. RV Country stay away from too. Not so easy canceling & getting ur money back, they know all the tricks. Sales people,different kind of animal.
Yes, but majority of states have garbage lemon laws, I'll rather pay a little higher price but have that insurance in case
@@sov19871987 .. you won’t get any extra insurance. Just a somewhat fix here and fix there. That is when your warranty expires and you are on your own. Camping World is known for taking months to repair anything. In most cases rv owners have to rely on themselves and UA-cam videos of other owners to help fix anything.
I think manufacturers should slow down production to produce a higher quality product
PROBABLY THE BEST SHORT STATEMENT HERE
They since that’s are already charging like they are!!
Josh, this feels different than 2018. The consumer, manufacturers and dealers are ALL bucking the Federal Reserve with increasing cost of money vs. 2018 of lowering interest rates. Not to mention in 2018 a gallon of unleaded was $2.57 vs. $5.01. Every way you slice it- RV’ing is a lot more money to participate. Terrific video!
So glad that Bish lets you continue with the same information content and format from the past. I like to think they purchased Heywood so that they could associate their dealership with the public confidence your videos engender. Ask for a raise and a percentage of the profits. 😁
Yeah I love it here
I've had 4 different RVs (2- Coachman, 1-Shasta, and 1- Keystone) and I suggest the RV manufactures take advantage of the slow down to train the employees on quality construction. I had a brand new Keystone with a side wall leak (delamination) on the first time out. It went back to the seller who replaced the leaking wall (caused by the cable bracket). I took it back again for the floor swelling below the wall that was repaired previously. Now, the other wall that connects to the replaced wall has delamination. The Keystone has been stored under a carport when not in use since we purchased it new. *All of our RVs have been purchased new.
Josh, thank you for all of the time, hard work, reviews, videos, your humor (love it) and your honesty. You are a true gem and a shining example of what we need more of.
Wow.. Ty so much!!
My water pump broke. Driving down the freeway in Cheyenne I spotted a Bish dealership. A beautiful facility that they opened up just 10 days earlier. I was greeted at the door by an employee who pointed me to the parts department. Another employee showed me the water pumps and answered all my questions. Everyone was polite and very knowledgeable about the products. This is a wonderful dealership with great employees. I think you are working for a wonderful organization.
Wow TY for sharing this John. I hope you left them a nice review at g.page/r/CW-vHYcVsEesEAg/review
Check back in 5 years and see if it is still that way. Bet it's not.
The complete RV industry is about to go into the tank and they deserve it!
THEY MIGHT DESERVE IT BUT THEY WON'T. WE STILL HAVE MANY POOR VICTIMS FOR THEM TO STEP ON
Always appreciate your info transparency 👍👍 I'll certainly pay you a visit when I'm ready to take the plunge‼️
Ty so much!
Josh, thanks for the industry update.
RV industry is about to experience a bubble burst, layoffs and closures will continue into the fall.
So happy to see you come to TX. Just a FYI it has been 20+ days >100° so you may want to wait a few months until you come visit, can you let everyone know when you are coming. We would be happyto come visitwith you & give you a BIG TX welcome. We enjoyed all of the RV updates, thanks for everything.
Our very first RV was a Lazy Daze - it was the best RV in terms of design and build quality I have ever owned. I am very sad that they seem to have closed their doors - they were a fantastic manufacturer!
What verb tense is "Chokeholded"? Another great update!
Inverse Past present predictive participle
Josh my husband & I are so happy we found your channel. We've gained the best information from you and we're about to pull the trigger on purchasing our first new travel trailer instead of used ones as we start full time RVing. As for the trailer that gains weight every year.....hey that happens to many of us! Trailers & grandmothers alike, no matter what we gain a little weight every year.
Lol I must be a grandmother then!!
Ty for watching btw 😊
you seem to be gliding across the parking lot😅looks so cool! Thanks for info!
lol TY
I don't use a gimbal/stabilizer/anything like that. I've just learned to control my breathing while speaking and walk a little more smoothly when recording
It would be nice to see the manufactures that are cutting back to 3 or 4 day build schedule and use that extra day or two to inspect for quality issues and fix them before shipping to the dealers to fix and repair. That's not going to happen.
Thank you very much for bringing up the low CCC problem! It’s a huge issue and it blows my mind that not many people talk about it nor understand it.
And I don't feel like there's anything being done about it..
I always enjoy the information. I've been researching for 2 years now, and just as we are getting ready to buy we've had about 4 major house disasters and 1 family one. I'm watching my dream money for my truck and 5th wheel slip away. But we keep looking and planning.
Your videos are my mainstay!
Yeah I just started thinking about spending a chunk of change and then… SUMMER TAXES BABY
Love walking and talking with Uncle Josh.
You are my favorite salesman, Josh! You have blessed us with honesty and candid discussion that is invaluable to the decision making process. Thank you!!!
Wow Ty so much!!
I've started seening more and more used campers for sale on FB market place. Several 2020, 2021 models. As I predicted people bought campers during pandemic and now they realize it's alot of work and don't use it that often.
Yep and a lot of them are trying to still sell for more than they paid for the thing or what they owe on it which is still pretty high. The only good deals people will actually find are the ones that put down a sizable amount or are willing to pay off a portion and take a loss. Otherwise people are going to be sitting on the stuff long after the season is over.
@@stevescustomtransport2222 yeah I think your going to see alot of them get repoed because they owe more on it than they can sell it for.
Many are panic selling right now too. They see the RV market turning downward and are going to try to get top dollar. Problem is the market is saturated with both new and used RV’s
@ Steve's Customtransport
I don’t think people will still on them they gotta pay insurance on them not to mention storage fees unless they’re lucky and got it in there driveway. That’s still $300 a month give or take Down the drain.
Either that or let the bank have it.
@@thestooges333 that's what I'm saying though pay off more as much as they can to get the price down where they can sell it. But somebody else said there's probably going to be a lot of repos unfortunately as well. Toys are first to go. I have access to a good bit of auction listings and there's quite a few out there already 2020 and 2021 MYs
The reason it seems like it’s not a buyers market or sellers market is because we’re at the tippy top of the reversing market trend, from scarcity and high prices, to growing inventory and lower demand. As the lots get filled with new RVs that are over 1 year old, then we’ll start seeing the competing fire sales. That’s how a free market works, perfectly.
Dealers will do everything to hold off reducing prices, but if you're browsing a lot stuffed to the gills with unsold (and aging) units the game will be up.
It's going to start hurting the manufacturers when they're forced to increase their incentives back to the dealers to give them wiggle room to sell these things.
Completely off topic- however, it’s refreshing to see you walk around your entire dealership and not one slide-out is open. I have five dealerships near me - one national chain, one regional chain, and three small, independent dealers and they all have ALL the slides open ALL the time. Some have been open since this winter. Not that they are getting damaged, but I can’t imagine that some of them aren’t. Especially when they are not leveled properly and don’t have their stabilizers down. I remember you talking about this in one of your videos a while back and can’t help but notice it now when I pass a dealership.
Slides open in the summer time isn’t a big deal. It can be an issue In the winter
We are closed up right now since we are re-arranging everything
Thanks Josh. Love the info from a trusted source. Invaluable. Lot of noise out there. It's nice to know you are shooting straight with a pure motive.
Thanks Josh! Just starting to look and learning so much from you. I appreciate your authentic "nerdiness".
Good! Because.. ya know.. it’s all I got lol
Were also hoping for the RV market to go down since everything I saw that was going for 20k before pandemic are now going for 30k+. Some savings are better than none. Those Ember RV at the beginning of the video are looking HOT!!!!!! Great info and update for us folks not into reading much about the RV market.
RV manufacturers buying their supplier companies is a perfect example of what's known as vertical integration. RV manufacturers buying other RV manufacturers is what's known as horizontal integration. I actually remembered something from my college business courses!
Lol A+ work
I really appreciate and enjoy your monthly updates Josh. Thanks Nerd!
Another great video Josh, we bought a new 21 GD after watching so many of your videos. You are a wealth of knowledge and I continue watching you. Thanks for all you do
Which did you choose??
Thanks for another interesting update, Josh! I'm glad you mentioned CCC. As a FTer, CCC is critically important to me. But I think it is a piece of data that is often overlooked, especially by newer RVers. It is so easy (and dangerous) to overload an RV, when you add all your personal items, toys & campsite accoutrements.
This happened to friends of ours when they bought their first RV, they actually didn't consider CCC at all. They loaded up & headed out, only to discover later that they were very seriously overweight. And the RV was too heavy also. 😉😊
Woof.. it happens easy. Ty for sharing and watching
Props to you for making the dad sacrifice. I have done the same on a few occasions over the years. #DADlife
I'd do it again in a heartbeat. One day she'll do the same for her kiddo(s)
Josh: This month’s RV industry update might apply much broader than just to the RV industry. The decrease in prices for lumber, aluminum and steel, the closing of some plants, the manufacturer’s cutback in production hours, the decrease in units shipped from the manufacturer’s, dealer cutbacks on unit orders, the increase in unsold inventory, the continuing inflation in both wholesale and retail invoice prices, when all these factors are taken together, these indicators just might be saying “RECESSION is coming”. What you’ve indirectly mentioned are some key leading economic indicators used by the Fed. For example, nonfarm payroll employment, industrial production/capacity utilization, retail sales, personal consumption expenditures, business to business sales and Inventories and light weight vehicle sales. Resprctfully, W.S.
I think most of these updates apply to several industries but I can only comment on what I am seeing
Excellent point!
Josh is lightly touching on global supply chains and how they are affecting the RV industry. If that kind of stuff interest you Peter Zeihan just put out a book detailing the end of globalization and the rebirth of large scale US manufacturing. You should check it out.
@@kennethrobinson7647 ty
Coming? It's official alr3ady. 2 months of negative gdp.
I can’t thank you enough for your candid comments. Thank you sir.
I try. Ty for watching
Recently discovered your channel and it's great! I particularly enjoy it when you give the good AND the bad.
Ty!! I won’t claim to get it all right but man I try
Really appreciate the monthly wrap up Josh. Always a little bit of everything in there. This month I felt the irony of the content as you just wrapped up the discussion on parts and service challenges and then promptly walked past my rig sitting in your back lot awaiting...wait for it...parts and service. Keep up the great work!
Well.. couldn’t have done that if I tried
Lazy Daze is gone? Oh no! Very sad news because they are prized Class C's. Good information as usual Josh
Yeah it sad
I didn’t even sell them
Just sorry to see them go
Love, loved your industry commentary! And announced Bish is in
Longview Tx! I could do cartwheels! That’s 90 minutes from us! Wahoo!
Say hi to the team for me
Josh, if sales are beginning to slow and manufacturers are reducing production, let me give you one reason among many. According to your chart, around 50,000 RV's are produced each month. That's half a million or more each year. So, by the end of this year in 3 years, 1,500,000 RV's will have been produced. Answer me this; how many new RV camping sites have been built? Answer; not many. Selling 500,000 units per year into a market with zero new campsites (even accounting for replacement RV's where old ones are taken out of service) is a problem with no solution.
We have a 2021 Jayco 24RL. We enjoy it and take a grandkid with us often. But, we have to start very early in the year trying to reserve campsites even though we don't really know our schedules later in the summer. RV's are not like automobiles, though the roadways are choked with cars in some areas of the country. To use one, you need a campsite in a location and at a time that fits your needs. This is getting more and more difficult.
There is a recession coming and things are going to be quite different economically in about 9 months.
Max, I think you'd be surprised at the number of new campsites. 80,000 were expected to be added last year according to a survey of park owners by their trade association. I'm not sure the number this year. Unfortunately, very few of those are state/county/federal campsites, and most are really expensive resorts. But there has been a boom in campground construction as well.
Really appreciate your update on the RV purchasing/manufacturing situation. I applaud you for your honesty! I like the straight talk of the RV world!
TY Chuck :)
I don’t care what the TV says …we’re in a historic recession ☹️
Sad about his Family company….these are the kinds of businesses I like to support…especially since China manufactures every DAMN thing we have in AMERICA….pardon me ….just a genuine concern ….Support American made everyone
❤️from TX
We’ve been in a recession for months next up is a depression when the food shortage hits
@@thestooges333 Yeah, we don't grow food here anymore either it seems. We used to be the World's Breadbasket. Now we just import it....
FJB - LETS GO BRANDON !!
Sadly China manufactures damn near everything we buy and owns a very large portion of farm land and meat plants in this country.. we've F'd ourselves!
Thanks, Josh! You are one of very few UA-camrs I watch every video from beginning to end. Maybe the only one. 🤔 Keep up the great work!
Wow.. Ty man! If there’s every anything else I might be able to do, then let me know!!
I also appreciate constructive criticism
Thanks Uncle Josh! Always love the new updates and your views on the future of the RV world!
My pleasure!’
I am in rv sales, going on my 25th year. Very rare to hear honest comments like his.....
Ty sir. It’s how I was raised, trained, and how I am encouraged to conduct myself at bish’s
@@JoshtheRVNerd I admire your work ethics and if you weren't so far from me it would be a pleasure to work for a company with those values. Keep it up 👍
Yes, I had read about Lazy Daze demise. Not that I could ever afford one but they were pretty cool. A shame.
Thanks Josh for the update on the real RV problems....waiting for Fall to buy. You never fail to entertain!!!!
I was going to buy last year. I kept praying about it and keep hearing wait. Im so glad I did and will continue to do so. The prices are absolutely ridiculous and the rvs/trailers in the past several years are horribly built. Its only going to get worse come winter for this country. Prices SHOULD be brought down...way down.God Bless. 1 Corinthians 15 1-4
Doing the same thing...waiting. The build quality has to improve. These trailers haven't changed that much in the way there built in 3 years to warrant the prices. I got time.
I agree. I was in the same boat. I’m glad I didn’t buy anything during the height of the pandemic. I came across a slightly used RV when initially I was looking at new RV’s. I bought the well taken care of used RV and he threw in everything I was gonna have to buy like a water softener, heavy duty hitch, stabilizer bars, all the hoses, new canopy, upgraded propane tanks from 20lb to 30 lb, tools and even camping gear. I saved myself $15-$20k. Even though I didn’t buy the RV I was thinking of buying I’m fine with the purchase because it has everything I needed and wanted. Of course I’m buying little things here and there specifically for my needs.
I bought new last yr and so far so good. Didn't really pay any inflated prices (about $30k otd for a Radiance 30ft bunkhouse with slide). If your waiting for quality to improve to buy you'll be buying your next rv from Jesus cause it won't happen in this lifetime.
@@ninji5226 Oh it'll happen. Once this economy improves. Won't be for a while though. Plus manufacturer's are already slowing productivity due to slowing sales due to prices and poor quality control.
@@USNavyAR5 I hope your right but rv's were built like crap long before the pandemic, I don't see them improving just because. It's quantity over quality, always has been, always will be.
Thanks for your monthly updates. We really like learning more about the current situation of the RV world especially since we are looking to buy a travel trailer in the near future. We would love to see a top 5 list of couples travel trailers with nice outdoor kitchens that are under 30 feet and 1/2 ton towable. We find many floorplans we love but most couples campers do not have full outdoor kitchens. These seem to be found more often on bunkhouse campers Please give that list some thought. Would appreciate your input.
I'm from La Grande, Oregon home of Nash Trailer's, I welded chassis for them for 2 years, also Outdoors RV is in La Grande and Keystone is just over the hill in Pendleton as you mentioned. We had a Terry Trailer factory most of my life but it shut down years ago.
I noticed around our Junction City, Oregon store there looked to be several now-closed small RV Mfgs... I always hate to see that happen
Like when Lazy Daze closed. That was a bummer
I'm more than 3 years out from my next RV, but I thoroughly enjoy these videos and your analysis. I might be driving 700 miles from NC to get my next one.
Same. Only 600 from whee I'm at haha
I really enjoy your open and honest approach! I really wish I had heard of you before we purchased our present RV. Because it would have set my mind a little more at ease and not gotten blind sided by a few things. Again thank you for open and honest presentations!
Ty Rick. I sure try man
I would agree that sales have slipped and inventories are building. That view is based on RV dealerships that we have driven by in the last few months and have actually visited. It was bound to happen. One point you made was that manufacturers have kept their foot on the accelerator of producing RVs in spite of seeing a slow down in purchases. If there was any realization of a hint of slowing sales, the manufacturers of this consumer discretionary product should have adjusted production accordingly.
Great update Josh! I’m not planning on getting rid of my 19 Nano but I still like to watch your videos!
I appreciate having you with us
As a manufacturer, even though a component has dropped in price, what we have in stock that was purchased at higher prices takes time to get used up and the individual component is only part of the overall cost of a finished unit. Obviously some components have a significantly greater influence in total pricing than other components.
i don't think all you explain is true
Dude, first of your videos I've seen. This is great content. You seem genuine as well. Congrats.
Welcome aboard! I have over like.. 6,000 videos on this channel for you. Most of it is individually focused & deeply detailed RV tours/reviews
But I try to work in tips and insights/news-stuff like this where I can. I'm fortunate that I'm allowed pretty much full freedom on what I want to say and how i want to present it. This allows me to be super candid
Re: cargo capacity. I have a 2002 Jayco 231qb and a 2022 Sprinter 31TB. The Jack has 900 lbs more ccc than the Sprinter, even though it is 9 feet shorter. Shrinkage is real. I think it has something to do with the four seasons packages and modern electrical work in the units. I think the insulation and waterproofing as well as the solar packages are eating up ccc in ways we may not be aware of.
Thanks, Josh the Nerd! I just subscribed, but I have been watching you for a while. I'm starting to enjoy your channel. Of course, I'm in the market for "something" in the near future.
Welcome aboard Michael
Based on the overflowing inventory on dealer lots in my area and inflation at a 4 decade high with interest rates climbing and the cost of fuel, well I think prices will fall off a cliff or they will continue to sit on the lot and be homes for mice.
I've been in Shipshewana the last few days on a trip from TN. Thought of you while watch a caravan of Geo pros heading up the road! Thx for all your excellent information.
Tell them to stop at our place lol
Charging consumers triple the amount for a product will do that (decline). Some camper vans going for 130k after MSRP when those same models used to go for under 100k is horrible. These RV manufactures are price gauging and nothing more. Cannot wait to see it slap them in the face.
You said it price gouging. Yet people don’t care and buy anyway for some reason maybe stupidity.
And now they’re in debt and some rvs will get repossessed.
Deals are coming on 22’s and used before the years end . If not the 22’s will sit in Indiana and rot.
They’ll be selling at a lose just like used ones .
That goes for actually everything right now. Cars and trucks also
I watched an older video from BigTruck RV, I believe, of a 2020 fifth wheel that we really fell in love with the floor plan. In the video, the rig was at a dealership and you could see a price tag, not a sale but regular, of just over $50k. So I looked up the 2022 version which is 99% the same as the 2020 and the price was over $100k. I call BS
@@rsmartin68 agreed!! We paused in 2020 on the camper but bought the truck. Now the camper prices are ridiculous so we are waiting again and possibly selling the truck if prices don’t drop.
@@dreadedddd1008 Not as bad as RVs. Rams going to winne for 2021
Ram models were 40
To 41k. For the Solis 59P winme charged an MSRP of 119k and for
2022 dodge rams, they increased mrsp to 130k. I got mine 59P for
86k but still got screwed because the parts they put in are not that expensive.
hi josh it was great to meet you last month keep up the good job...from NM
Ty Henry!!
Monthly updates ALWAYS appreciated, Sir. I for one look forward to them
Ty Michael
Uncle Josh is best Uncle. Thanks for keeping us up to date!
TY :)
Thanks Josh for that info. I love all your infovlogs.
My pleasure!!
My husband and I have recently started looking at RVs. I loved this industry update. Thank you for putting out interesting and informative videos
My pleasure!!
Bought a F 350 1 1/2 years ago, still no RV in my garage. Might hold off selling the truck as I've been planning on but low odds. Quality, price and economy. Hope the industry gets through the struggle but it's getting real.
This is probably the best video you have ever made. On telling all. Don't get in trouble.
Nothing of the sort. Our leadership is well aware of what I share and fully supports it. Our goal always is to be as fair and transparent as possible.
Manufacturers will need to start building better quality products, id you can't get warranty work completed, then there's no reason to buy new vs used. If in the end you have to pay for repair costs because it sits and you aren't using it, then your warranty will timeout and you would have been better off buying a cheaper used vehicle and still be liable for repairs and save money in the long-term. Besides I would not buy a RV made in 2021&2022. Quality right now is horrible . All this will long-term hurt the RV industry if quality doesn't get better quickly. Case in point, look at what happened to the American car manufacturers, RV'S will price themselves out and travel will return to hotels and airbnb's if manufacturers don't wake up to what's going on in the world and industries. I hope not, but beyond our control. Love your videos. Keep them coming. Thanks for all your doing
Always informative, tks. Sounds like good news for those of us that are looking to be in the market soon.
I think they are going to try and keep the prices high by slowing down production. Really think prices need to back down from the last year. Over inflated. Think everyone should just wait a year and put the pressure on the manufacturers to bring prices back to realistic and normal.
Kind of like you mentioned the VIN# between a 2022 and a 2023 RV would be a rise in price, so was the cute, little "Metropolitan". Back in the early 1950's, both "Nash" and "Hudson" decided to produce a smaller car for mostly city driving/commuting/errands. With the assistance of British manufacturer "Austin-Healey", they designed and built an adorable 2 + 2 seat coupe and convertible, especially suited for women/housewives/ mothers. It had a tiny 4 cylinder engine, a 4 speed column shift, optional radio & heater. There was no trunk lid... luggage was passed through a fold-down rear seat. Door vent windows were finally added toward the end of the run. But as you stated about RV updates, whatever leftover models "Metropolitan" had left on hand suddenly became NEW!!! So, technically, a leftover 1959 became a "BRAND NEW!" 1960... UGH... 😡
I have a ‘56. Three on the tree and a AM tube radio that warms up before you slowly get sound. Brake lights are hydraulic operated from the brake cylinder. So no brakes, no lights. I guess that a feature. So far the Lucas-Girling wiring is holding up!
Great information thanks. The one issue I see with lots of unsold 2022's and 2023s coming out is what does the dealership do next summer if they still have lots full of 2022's and 2023's. There will have to be some inducements to get people to look at the 2022's. I know there used to be model change allowances given to dealerships on cars but will the rv manufactures give the same kind of inducements to dealers for 2022 models that have been sitting on the dealership lots for 6 to 8 months because of consumer demand falloff now?
You do a great job i Am going to head your way amlittle later this fall for my chigan and hope to stop by and take and ok at your
Products!
Lazy Daze - Having lived my entire life in the western U.S., I've seen those motorhomes on the road for years and years. Quite frankly, didn't know they were still actually making new RVs, so it's sad to hear that they finally closed up shop!
2023 Model Year Rollout - Not excited to hear this news. It seems like we had only one year of industry-wide acceptance of a July-June model year and I fear this is going to be an excuse to go back to coming out with the new models when each mfg feels like it...and worse yet, 'half-year' new models. The dreaded 'early 2023 model' vs. the 'late 2023' model of the same floorplan. This is NOT good news! And an even bigger wish is that manufacturers could actually get their product catalogs out when they release their new models...and not in Nov/Dec every year.
"Buyer's Market" - Hopefully the pendulum is swinging back to buyers but I think what you're describing now is more normal market conditions. It's like when the local 'hype-hot' real estate markets finally slow down and homes sit "on the market" for 2-4 weeks, everyone starts to lament how "bad" the market is...when in fact that's just a "normal" market. How soon we forget! Bad markets are when homes/rvs sit on the market/lot for months and months...or longer.
Low CCC Becoming a Problem - Amen!!!!! Especially when you realize that CCC doesn't account for the other things that you HAVE TO HAVE before you leave home to go camping including water weight, battery weight, and propane weight before you even get to clothes, food, power cords, water/sewer accessories, etc., etc., etc. I really wish mfgs would build for CCC of 30%-35% of the total GVWR no matter the size of the unit.
Of all the great content you put out, Josh, these Industry Updates are right at the top! Keep up the good work.
Low CCC is all the Covid camper buyers that bought single axle trailers 😂
I own a 2004 Lazy Daze, and I'm so saddened that they have closed. They were the first manufacturer of the Class C design way back in 1955 (as I recall). I looked for a very long time to find an RV for me to go full-time in and Lazy Daze was the only one that fit the bill. So sad to see them go the way of Born Free out of Iowa. Highest quality Class C's ever made. 😔
Agree with everything said here as usual. On the transport end it's trickling down to us as well. Dealers filling up. Manufacturers are still putting out units weekly but some are planning to have a few weeks shut down again in August as well. Imagine it will be pretty lean coming into the fall. Dealers will still have to carry 2023 inventory so I imagine a lot of the 22 models will be having to leave the lot for a sizable discount. Good for consumers but many dealers are going to have to start making it up on quantity at Slimmer margins. Hopefully the manufacturers are able to trim down their costs as well with the supply chain being restored for the most part
Ty for this insight buddy
Honesty and clarity and insight always beats cheap sales tactics in the long run... great post and hope it leads to more success for you.
As being a line worker at a RV manufacturer I really wished the industry would take it easy when sales are booming because when things slow down it really can hurt the pocket book when we have the time we off don't get me wrong pay I s great on a 3 to 5 day week but taking a week or weeks off just is not a good thing when it comes to the consistency of a pay check
Ty for sharing this
So are you guys getting more time off now or still working full tilt?
The entire industry is slowing down some places like keystone have closed some plants down and even grand design has shut the doors on one of there plants and yes most place are working 3 to 4 days a week
VERY cool to see the Sunset Park RV Sunlite at end of this video. We love ours! Our rv lots here in CA are full and not of potential buyers. 👍
That was a used one that rolled thru real quick but man it was cute!
The reason for a shutdown every year is to retool for model year changes. It is not for the benefit of the employees. If their vacation is only allowed during this shutdown period, then the manufacturers have a captured workforce with few if any alternatives.
Once again Uncle Josh, awesome monthly update... I look forward to these every month Sir... Take care and keep doing what you do.
Thanks! Will do!
As a owner of a Lazy Daze, this really hurts. I can't think of another traditional class c on the market I would want after having been spoiled with this one.
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Hey nerd, been following for awhile. Just wanted to say your channel has really grown. That means people trust you. good job!!!!
TY Rick! I try man.
Went through Indiana a couple months ago and there were thousands of rvs parked everywhere. I was shocked at the amount of inventory. Every dealership you pass is bulging with inventory as well. Gonna be a long winter for the dealers. The boom is over.
Oh, you mean things are back to pre-COVID? When dealers had inventory or could get you the camper/features you wanted quickly? Don't have short term memory; an industry correction is not doom. Also, part of the reason there are RV's in Indiana is it is still difficult to get them delivered - driver/trucking shortage is still very real.
Passed by 4 different dealers in central Ohio this past week and they are packed with inventory.
@@EricCallahan0228 there is no driver/transporter shortage.
@@stanpeterson8273 lol, and?
@@incog2901 Really? What country are you in? There was a driver shortage prior to COVID - it is now far worse and no signs of it getting better any time soon.
Here in Florida I see the market is coming in heavy with used RV's. Several reasons are that those that got their RV's during Covid, rushed into it (1) having the wrong vehicle to tow it, (2) HOA or (3) storage is way more expensive to keep in storage. Every RV lot is pretty well stocked up with 2022 models and some pretty well priced and now with holidays coming they will be looking to get them off their lot!
I can imagine with RVs often being a temporary housing solution after a natural disaster more often in florida the used market there IS a bit more saturated.. makes sense
These videos are so helpful!! Thank you!
My pleasure!!
Thank you for the perspective. I do appreciate the information about the production and general market conditions that you provide.
I feel like these manufacturers need to stop building stuff that falls apart going down the road and more need to build structurally sound ones like tiny houses on wheels or like an airstream or scamp that doesn't need a new roof by the time you get it home. Just my opinion, imagine a travel trailer with a 20 year warranty that you never had to use 🤷
...well, I suppose you could always buy an airstream or scamp. I've never owned one, but in addition to scamp, casita looks like an awesome small rv. Wife and I toured the factory in Texas a while back, ...she thinks they're too small, but to me, they seem just right. You can sleep in it, cook in it, and even get them with a toilet/shower and an AC/heat unit. What else do you need? Presumably, you are taking them somewhere where the purpose is to be in that place, not to hang out in an RV all day.
@@eventhisidistaken I would but I have a small addiction to my motorcycle that kind of scratches those off the list. I think I've come to the fact I'm just going to have to buy an aluminum enclosed trailer and build it out to my needs.
Just purchased our very first RV, never used 2020 Keystone Springdale 298BH FOR $23K, ask was $29k. When we got insurance quote’s valuation came in at $27-29K depending on insurance company providing the quote. We think we did okay based on that information. We will upgrade in the future but that will require a huge investment in a newer truck, mine is a 2000 Excursion 7.3 diesel. Going to a fifth wheel is a huge deal but we like the space and movable house on wheels design.