The Vet permanently INJURED our Peacock
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I used to work at that clinic. The owner is awful. He yells at the employees and treats them like trash. They made us work overtime and didnt pay us. The labor board had to come and force them. (They fired me after the labor board came and blamed me for everything) There is a group of ex employees that filed a lawsuit against them.
That being said, the doctors I worked with were amazing...
@@MidwestArtist that adds context 2 what he is going thru negligence on the vets part
I’m sorry you had to go through that..
There was a Exotic Vet Tech who also made a comment. Said they could’ve taken blood any other way.
Could’ve been mishandling the patient, or couldn’t have put enough pressure on to clot the area.
The bugs around the area worries me, hope the peacock survives this ordeal. 😔
Aw I'm sorry you had to go thru that, that's horrible 😩.
@@MichelleNyxRaymond I'm guessing it was more like they put too much pressure on the wing and snapped it. If the place is sketchy they just wouldn't admit wrong anyhow...sad but sometimes true.
They needed a lot of blood because of the tests being done, so other methods probably wouldn't have yielded enough.
Hi, I am an exotic vet tech! I'm so sorry this has happened to you, avian blood draws are taken with a small needle as if a human were to get a blood draw. At most you would just need a little pressure to start the clot process. Depending on the amount of blood needed, sometimes we will just use a nail and cut the quick to get a few drops as well and use quik-stop once complete. That looks like the issue could have been due to mishandling or restraining techniques.
That or a freakout in the cage. Taking blood definitely doesn't break bones.
@@debh3404 I agree, being in the cage could be a factor as well. Unfortunately it's hard to tell without 24/7 surveillance on the cage or inside the clinic.
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@@laurabird3957 Have you ever heard a bird's wing break? I had a scarlet chested parakeet that broke it's wing in my hands and I knew it immediately from the pop sound of the bone breaking. I think it happened when no one was around to hear it break.
😥 I thought an accident from hurting himself in that cage with sketchy floor for the bird , should have hooked up his camera and watched it just in case 🤷
This type of injury were the Bone is exposed can ocurr when you grab the animal by the legs and don't secure the wings. As you take the animal out, the wings will get stuck on the cage of the door they yanked him out of the cage resulting in a broken wing.
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As I was watching, I kept thinking that the handling was kind of rough. I have had several peafowl, and still have one peahen. I haven't had to pick her up or hold her, but I would be more concerned with controlling the wings first, and would never just hold by the legs upside down. That did not look right to me. I also have chickens, and would be more gentle with the peafowl than the chickens! Just one person's opinion...
I about died him handling that peacock like a turkey or chicken. The legs are not the same and the wings are waaaaaaaaaaaay more delicate. And having one with a healthy injured wing... we got lucky - when the vet did damage. She's a happy momma and had a leg injury that nutrition healed. The 2ndary thing - even dmfet 40 plus years of peafowl experience - it's about nutrition and there's not a great nutrition program out there... I've seen crazy concoctions. But I personally know I can't just feed my birds off the shelf Purina and expect them to recover now that we have proven nutrition can even heal a ligament injury!
@@michelerowe176holding them by the legs can actually break the legs, as well as cause immense stress. In the case of female birds it can even cause the egg inside to break, causing their cloaca to either get blocked or punctured resulting in a painful death. If you need to handle any bird (particularly ones with strong wings) it’s important to place one hand under the bird to support it and then use a another arm to hold the birds wings in place so it doesn’t flap around and injure itself. If it’s a smaller bird like a pigeon, you can simply pick it up around the middle making sure to pin the wings to the body with both hands (but at the same time not squeezing them hard, birds have pretty weak bones that break very easily)
Yeah the first thing I learned doing clinics as a vet tech is that when taking a bird out of their cage you want to secure their wings. This way they don’t fly at you but also they don’t hurt themselves trying to get away if they’re scared.
He should have hearted this comment
My suggestion, having worked with exotic birds for a while- call up the closest exotic bird shop near you and find out what vet they recommend for their customers. Look for a shop that has great reviews, and if there are multiple call around. I know it's frustrating trying to help your birds, when bird vets are not common. You can also look around for tests and things that you can order and send in yourself- most of the time it requires just a small amount of blood or fecal matter, both of which you can get from either a nail by clipping it or from a swab of their butt. An exotic bird shop should be able to give you a clue as to where to get those, we ordered them all the time. Also call a wildlife rehab center and find out what they do for wild birds with wing injuries. You'll need two approaches- one to kill the parasites and one to bind the wing up so it can heal. You'll also need to bring him inside so that he doesn't get more parasites. It's better for him to be safe and healthy than to be able to run around a large outdoor enclosure while he heals *I PROMISE*. He's not going to hold it against you. With this many birds, this is something you're going to have to get used to. You're gonna have to learn how to do some of these tests yourselves, because of the unfortunate circumstance that bird vets are just too hard to come by and they are expensive. You guys can't keep going forward wanting all these birds and being ignorant of their vet care, you just can't. I'm not trying to be mean, it's just a fact.
And look for a raptor rescue! Turns out my farm vet, bird vet litterally only sees dogs cats and some bird flocks because she's a raptor specialist in other countries. We had the zoo vet mess up a wing with much better outcome than these but I don't allow my birds to suffer nor to sit in a chicken coop when injured, have a wound, or even do blood work on babies - we start with fecals, we know whites are inbreeding nightmares and I cringe watching this channel because they never let the commwnrs sections help them do better by their birds.
@@SiothaVest they do take some advice from the comments. The unfortunate side effect of having a large UA-cam channel is the sheer amount of comments to go through, and many of them are unhelpful or judgemental. I'm not trying to be judgemental, just trying to help them do better by their birds by giving better advice than "take the bird to the vet", which is not as easy as it sounds if you don't live in an area that has a lot of veterinary options. Not many people know that an exotic bird shop is the number one place to call if you need a bird vet, nor do they know that a wildlife rehab center can potentially give advice on binding a wing so it can heal properly, and many people think that a bird's comfort lies solely on being outside in a large pen and will refuse to bring it inside out of fear of the bird being miserable during recovery, forgetting that it's more important that the bird heal and live a long healthy life outside than for it to never heal and die outside too young. This family is doing what they think is the best they can do, but if they want to continue doing it they have to continue learning.
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I agree with this comment
Uhhhhh you wrote so so much
That wing is definitely broken. It seems unlikely that happened during a blood draw. It could have happened in the cage used to collect the poop though. Those openings in the bottom were large enough for his wing to get caught in and could cause a break like that.
I feel for your struggle trying to find a poultry vet, I went through that myself and even the vets that take regular pet birds do not take poultry. I was so glad to find one vet in a 50 mile radius that did.
Glad a few people here are seeing what I was seeing as a possibility for how the bird's wing got broken. When he started describing that wire bottom cage idea for collecting poop, I immediately thought if the bird's foot fell through and he flapped trying to upright himself he could easily have broken a wing that way.
I feel like the vets not the ones who broke the wing bc he would have noticed b4 then that the wing had bone sticking out of it and he didn’t notice till after the cage with the large holes i understand why he put the bird in that cage but the bird wasn’t like that till he did that and he said the bird was only at the vet and the poop cage so it seems the cage is the cause
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Exactly what I was thinking, the break was caused by that poorly designed cage. The span between the wires is too wide, and the wire is too thin to stand on comfortably. It's easy to slip and fall in the grid wire bottom.
A broken wing would make a lot more sense. I see no way that a blood draw results in a bone sticking out... But even if it is a broken wing, that vet still screwed up by sending them home with just an antibacterial spray. That bird needs an operation to get that bone back inside the skin (and get the broken part stabilised so it can heal).
And looking at the way the father caught the peacock - by the legs with the wings flapping about - that's an excellent way to get a broken wing... The son did a much better job - catching it quickly, in one go with both hands on the sides of the wings - you always want to keep a bird from flapping its wings when you catch it to prevent injuries.
So sad to see the poor peacock not at full health.
I agree
@@whitehouseonthehill I think what happened with the other 5 peachicks was that you may not have used the vitamins in the waterer... peafowl are very sensitive to diseases and a lot of diseases can come from chickens, as well as through the ground. You may want to raise any more peachicks (in the future) indoors off the ground until they are a couple months old. Their immune systems are a lot weaker than chickens.
@@mirajoy2306 agreed. Exotic birds require exotic diets and care. Aren’t as hardy as chickens and other animals bred to withstand filler foods purchased in stores.
@@mirajoy2306 I'll add that even indoors, they are not easy. I think the are more sensitive to temperature than chickens. I had a new heater even, but since only one chick hatched, it did not always stay close to the heat - where if there were at least 2 or more, they'd cuddle and keep each other warm, without realizing how vital that is. I've incubated them twice - 2 eggs each time, but only 1 hatched. They only lived a few days. The last egg I let her sit on, since she chose a much safer spot than before. It hatched, and the next day it was dead. This time I think she was just too heavy. She was devastated, and it broke my heart! I put it in a baggie, and when she started looking for it, I showed her. (Doubtful peafowl need closure, but oh well...) when she got close enough to see what it was, she started picking up some seeds and dropping them, while making the clicking sound they make to teach their babies how to eat... poor thing - broke my heart all over again. Her mate broke his back when he fell out of a tree he slept in (broken branch), so no more baby peachick attempts until I find her a handsome man!
@@whitehouseonthehillHi have you heard the drama with the sponsorship that you did in this video
Such a tough spot. These people agreed to see your sweet boy when most refused, but unfortunately they didn't have enough experience in the area of your Pea fowl and injured him. Nobody wins here. Poor guy.
Yeah he sadly passed away
Oh that's sad😭
@@iownstaticz8687 where did u hear this? the peafowl didnt pass away, it got its wing amputated.
@@DIscaIl you need to watch the full video, not just look at the title. The peafowl died after they attempted to amputate it’s wing
This is true but I understand his aggravation with the vet. They screw up his bird, not admit their fault and made him pay for a spray the bird needed because of their screw up? That’s really screwy.
Ultimately, that vet killed his rare bird.
I really appreciate how this person is trying his best to save his rare bird, (white peacocks are rare if you know they are albino and not just a color they have) and such potential to his work, it is best to work for your best.
Sorry to be that guy but white peacocks are not albinos, albino animals usually have red eyes. These guys have normal black eyes. Their white color is actually a genetic mutation, and yes, they are still rare!
@@skylarblade2507they have leucism
@@kai510 Leucism is not albinism. Leucistic tigers, white tigers, don't have pink/red eyes, either. The leucistic gene is indeed a genetic mutation. In tigers? The same gene that causes the white colour? Also causes the tiger to be cross-eyed. The optic nerve in each white tiger is wired to the wrong side of the brain and that's just the start of the health issues for white tigers. I don't know anything about leucism in birds beyond the fact that leucism is not albinism.
SUE THE VET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This bird is leucistic, not albino, but the point still stands. Still a rare and exotic peacock.
I've worked with a lot of birds. You need to debride that would then iodine it and spray an antibacterial. Once it's clean you can even use honey to help it heal. He looks like he'll be pinioned so won't ever fly
Peafowl don't really fly anyway
Peacocks don't fly. Except the cgi one at the end of the other guys.
I hope he's going to be ok. Any chance you can call the local zoo and see if they have any solutions?
This is a great suggestion!
great idea
Good idea 💡
Excellent idea. The Kansas City Zoo has veterinarians that I am sure could help guide them to vet who is knowledgeable about peacocks.
I volunteer at a local zoo and they currently have all their birds in lockdown in fear of the avian flu that is being spread so I’m not sure if they would even take a look at the bird.
That is not from a blood draw - it is a broken bone probably from handling. Looks like there was blood there before you took it in to the vet at 4:35
That footage was from our second trip to the vet. After they had already drawn blood and gotten blood on the peacock.
oh I get it now-
Oh this poor bird. I feel terrible for him. Lost his whole family & now has an injured wing. I'm sorry this happened to you guys. Out of all yours I watch with birds, u guys seem to be one of the only ones that actually truly cares for each & every bird you have. I love it!! ❤️❤️ I hope he feels better soon. I'm going to look on channel for more updates. I just moved within last 2 months & I'm finally settling down so I can catch up on my white house on hill videos finally!!
THAT IS SAD BUT THAT COMMENT LOOKS LIKE YOU DONT CARE ABOUT BIRDS. (I went far of using caps there sorry.)
He could have been infected the evening you originally brought him home and put him in the coup. He could have totally fallen the rough the dog crate and injured itself. You should have taken the birds that passed into K State to start for a necropsy. You could have packed in dry ice and shipped. Your flock is to big not to have a regular vet. You need to form an ongoing relationship with the closest Univ that has a vet school, be that In Iowa, Neb or Kansas. I don’t think any of the wing issues have to do with the vet
Yeah, I was thinking that there is no way a simple blood draw could cause that injury alone. Now, if they handled the bird incorrectly/ restrained it improperly then I could see that injury happening since to me it seems more like a broken wing which isn't something that could be caused by a simple blood draw even if they had really messed up and put the needle in the wrong spot several times.
You are right about ordering necropsies on the dead babies. That injury is not a result of blood draw but of a serious flap wing injury IMO.
i've had smaller birds break wings getting caught in cage bars. that's what it looks like. i'm sure a larger bird could do the same.
I absolutely agree with everything you said. Dude has like hundreds of birds and NO dedicated vet?? It's just. I really don't understand how his following is so large when he doesn't do bare minimum for his birds by finding solutions to have a vet and when he finally finds one, he immediately assumes the vets are doing their best to damage his animals. He sincerely needs to change his attitude. I really hope he doesn't feel the same way about doctors considering his small children, do they get the same wave away the doctor treatment he does for his birds? If not, then there needs to be more consideration taken, or flat out he needs to re-home and downsize his flock. Too many birds that could possibly get viruses or illness and then spread a disease into all the nearby environment and cause a big problem. There's a reason chicken farms are insanely moderated for this sort of thing not just cause theyre food birds, but any rampant disease causes havoc for the entire industry for a long time and causes major problems. It's coming close to neglectful ignoring a primary care option for his birds. I know it might seem extreme, but before he got to half this size he should've evaluated whether he had the means for medical care for all of those bird before expanding and expanding. If he couldn't find or obtain the proper care, he shouldn't have expanded period. I don't think I'm wrong but I'm welcome to hear others opinions.
I do want to say I've been a watcher of his content for a few years now and I don't hate him I keep coming back, clearly I like his content and his family is a joy to watch. But I believe healthy criticism for everybody even the people you love is important for improvement.
Last thing I'll say, it took the decimation of all of his white pea flock, all of them died, except ONE, for him to consider vet care. That's just inappropriate...
Im speaking passionately because it's not fair to his birds, I care about their well-being. I'm in no way saying that he deserves to be cancelled or whatever I actually would be sad if a hate campaign started going around I do not want that. I just want better for his birds
A long time ago I had a duck get his crop ripped out and his neck broken by a friend's dog. The vet said (over the phone and without seeing him) there was nothing they could do even though I had him immediately after the incident.
I said screw it. I sewed up his crop and then his throat. I splinted his neck. He recovered. Had a girlfriend. Lived two and a half years and ultimately died from fly strike. He ate, ran, played, groomed, swam and everything fine.
All I can say is you made the right call in taking him to the vet. The vet just happened to be the wrong one. Next time anything is done by a vet keep an eye on it. No matter how professional they seem and if need be try for yourself to patch the wound.
How critical is it to keep an eye on what the vets have done... Well sometimes they urge against you doing anything. I got another story for you. My mom had taken a dog in to get fixed. When they sewed her up they used one big stitch which broke free and her insides spilled out. My mom pushed them back in, wrapped her with an ace bandage and took her to another vet which saved her dog's life. She was told not to worry about it from the vet who had done it... And my mom's actions made the difference between life and death.
Always be ready for emergency care. Educate yourself on surgery and anatomy as best you can. It may just come in handy one day.
WOW! I completely agree!
Good for you!
That is just awful. And heartbreaking.
Your mum must be very good in a crisis to keep her head when her dogs insides were outsides and she would have had to work quick to get your dog to a vet safely.
I might be mistaken, but I was under the impression that the type of stitch your dog was closed up with, is a dermatology or plastic surgery stitch!
The only reason to use such a stitch is when you are trying to avoid the wound site from having such visible scars from interrupted stitches, especially if the wound is somewhere very visible.
That type of stitch is known to not be as strong as interrupted and it certainly should never be used anywhere on the body that is under great tension, like……oh I don’t know, maybe a dogs stomach or a bit lower down the abdomen say, after being neutered!
It’s disgusting how some vets do not take enough care, I mean if it was a Dr making all these mistakes, they would have been sued so many times, they would have likely have lost their license by now and file for bankruptcy numerous times.
To do the type of stitch they did, which I wouldn’t have thought should ever be used on an animal. It feels like maybe someone was practicing their techniques at stitching, perhaps they have a medical student that works there.
And for the vet or vet tech e
Wow well done!
Wow maybe you and your mom have a gift for healing animals ❤
You are so right about being able to do emergency care to your own animals. Just yesterday morning my husband and I had to perform surgery on our 2 1/2 year old Tom tom turkey. He had a very large abscess on the right side of his face. We had to cut it out. He is doing great. Of course it was gross and I almost passed out. But, I had to keep a level head about it. But the truth is, you have to be able to know how to take care of your animals.
Such a sad thing to happen, i hope he ends up okay and i pray you find out what happened to all the other peacocks.
The peacock sadly passed away.
Hey folks, you need to research "Bondi Vet" I've seen Dr Chris do some amazing things, and you can email and I think video call. They are overseas but they all are some of the most compassionate, caring folks I've ever seen.
That looks like it happened while he was in that cage. His foot could’ve slipped and he tried to catch himself/balance with his wing and could’ve hit the side of the cage. Like when you guys threw him in, it sounded like he slapped the cage with his wing. Being in there for 2 days constantly doing that to himself could’ve def done that.
I don't think they threw the bird. It cost them money. Also, if you look close enough you can see it wasn't the cage.
@@Ivyespeon_DrawsWOF no one said throw him in. The large bars in the cage was dangerous for him to stand on.
@@wolffortenberry8729 even cockfighters just use a towel under a small cage to do keeping, there’s no excuse for putting a bird on wires.
If people who do messed up things with animals refuse to do something that you’re doing with your animals, that’s when you know you’re really doing something wrong.
@@wolffortenberry8729 yep, I posted a larger comment in the main comments explaining what keeping is, how to do it properly, and I also said “really hope your vet forgives you for this video good avian vets are hard to find the last thing you wanna do is burn bridges”
It’s the honest truth, and if his vet doesn’t forgive him he could totally be in a new kind of pickle (needing a new vet)
@@wolffortenberry8729 Thats a bit harsh, there are other ways but they dont have that many open materials and needed to get it quickly, honestly it the vets fault for not closing the wound, i suspect they didnt close the wound because they either forgot or are underqualified, and then the bird got his wing stuck and the bone stuck out.
I'm so sorry your peacock was injured so bad. Birds are such delicate beings and they hide their sicknesses so we'll. Hard to find a really good bird specialist. I don't get how they could just lose the fecal sample. I sure hope he heals and recovers fully.
I agree with the other comments. The bars of the cage he was put into was much to large and gave him nothing to hold onto and stabilize himself. He probably stumbled in the dark started flapping his wings, and one went through one of the large holes, and he panicked and broke wing. Sad situation all the way around. I’ve had large exotic birds in my whole life and you definitely need to find somebody that specializes in birds in your area. You may have to drive a couple hours to get there, but in the end it would be worth it.
I urge you to contact an attorney in dealing with this matter! Gross negligence and medical malpractice on behalf of the vet. What’s so disturbing and disrespectful is they gave you back the injured bird knowing it was injured! They thoroughly checked out the bird before releasing him. Also, they denied any wrongdoing that’s just negligence to avoid any penalties, lawsuits, or loss of license. I also strongly encourage you to file a complaint against the vet and their business to the Veterinary Medical Board.
Thing is the gaps in the poop collecting cage have enough space to catch a wing in... Or got his foot caught and freaked out and banged up the wing. Since he didn't notice till he took him out of the poop cage.. he can't prove it's there fault
I would report to the vet board. They should be more responsible for their actions
Absolutely! This may not be the first time something like this has happened with this clinic. Vets also take an oath to do no harm!
Dude I’m with Linda report the vet dudes and I hope the your peacock will be ok and that your other birds r ok 🦚🦚🦚🦚🦚🦚🦚🦚🦚
Get the records and have the managers take witness statements of all those who worked and handled the bird. So you can start documentation for a complaint with them and possible lawsuit. It sucks there isn’t many vets nationwide but no one wants to be buried in student debt (200k+) to become a vet.
Without having proof it was the vets fault nothing will be done. And since he didn’t check the wings before and after the vet visit (because why would he) he doesn’t have proof
Dude big influencer has a point they would need proof if they really harmed the peacock but they need to be like a spy or a detective but if they harmed that bird I’m dozing down the vets if they really did it 👩🏻⚕️🧑🏻⚕️👨🏻⚕️🦚🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
That wing looks broken. The holes in that dog crate were so large and he had nowhere to perch other than the wire. It looks like he may have slammed his wing into the cage wire during the night and then broke the wing trying to get it out.
I used to watch this channel regularly but I started noticing them collecting a lot of exotic birds and other animals and doing very little to no research on proper care and not correcting their husbandry until after they have losses, not checking to see if they even have an exotic/avian/livestock veterinarian nearby before getting all these animals, and doing a lot of DIY vet care that results in a lot of losses. Most farms foster close relationships with veterinarians, farriers, etc and have a network of people to call on if they need assistance and most people do extensive research into proper care before getting an animal.
I agree that dog cage was awful and I can't believe they didn't connect the dots and blamed the vet. The bird could hardly stand on those tiny wires. How could they not realize what they were doing was dangerous?? I feel so bad for the peacock.
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l'm betting the bird injured itself getting around in the 'pooping cage' just because the floor of that cage looked too open for a bird to safely get around in. Perhaps it slipped through and got itself caught then injured its own wing getting loose.\
I really hope he recovers from this injury, I'd be so worried about him if he were mine, I'd be afraid to check him every morning for fearing I'd find him dead from the injury.
I'd be asking the vet for antibiotics to make sure he doesn't get an internal infection from the vine being exposed.
I'd also so be concerned about tabout the exposed bone dying and causing necrosis.
Something similar happened to my bird at an avian vet - she's a cockatiel, but due to how fiesty she was the vet techs had to handle her quite roughly, which after 3-4 visits (it was a serious condition), her flight feather follicles were damaged in one wing. She has been grounded and flightless for four years now. Those feathers will never regrow. I'm grateful for her to be in good health now, but her not flying has hurt her confidence overall.
I believe it probably happened in the wide floor cage (it just makes more sense.) Without you knowing for sure, I wouldn’t have publicly blamed the vet for that. However, had they tested for everything like they said, you wouldn’t have had to put him in the cage
where he got hurt. Them losing the droppings made things worse. I’m sure you guys are just overwhelmed with the loss of your beautiful birds and now this one being hurt. So sorry you’re going through this. ❤ 🙏
Couldn't agree more. It's wrong to blame the vet. There's always a risk with any procedure.
Putting a bird through this constant stress can't be helpful. It's sad but it's the way life goes sometimes.
I would not have taken the Peacock to the vet in the first place. If the bird was positive for avian flu, your Whole flock would be killed by the government. White peacocks are far more accessible to illnesses than any other type of peafowl. At the end of the video you said the bird has bugs all in the wound area. Not at all a good sign. And that lord thing I looked into that and found out it is a fake thing. Huge scam. Just thought I would let you all know.
totally agree, if sb watches carefully from the beginning the video there are too many instances that this could have happened from the handling of the bird from the farmer trying to catch it and transport it to different containers, totally unsuitable cages. On the top of it he was showing us the damage by trying to extend the broken wind making the torture worse for the animal. The wing even seemed broken the first day they return the animal to its original cage. The poor animal is in such a pain that should be either sacrificed or euthanized.
Yeah to me it looks like a old injury i had a quail that brok her wings and the wings flesh looked purple was swollen and it was bloody. The first time he looked the flesh looked swollen but normal. But with that said the vet should also have noticed this but they didn't or didn't told them.
If it were an injury done prior to the vets wouldn't the vets of noticed the birds obvious injury atleast one of the times the bird went into their practice? Especially since the injury happened to be the exact place they were trying to draw blood from and restraining the animal by.
It might have happened in the cage with the big gaps in the bottom where you left him to get poop. He might have fell through the gap and panicked - breaking his wing!?
he was in a smaller cage than he's used to, without a proper floor under him whilst you awaited sufficient poop, how could you possibly know for sure the injury didn't occur whilst he was in that smaller cage.
Honestly, I think it’s more likely it’s wing got caught in crate bars and probably injured wing through panicking/trying to get wing unstuck.
It looked like he could have easily fit wing through that crates side and floor bars, so maybe got it caught in side bars while stretching out wing, or lost balance on floor bars and wing got caught underneath?
You have to be really careful to use cages with appropriate bar spacing, as very easy for any animal to get serious limb injuries if bars are too close together/far apart. It’s even more important with flighty species, as they are most likely to thrash around in a panic until the stuck limb is free, even if that means breaking bones to escape.
A few years ago 1 of my dogs got his leg stuck in the narrow horizontally bars that ran under the crates door. Luckily I was literally sat 2 steps away from his crate, so there was only a couple of seconds of him screaming and thrashing around, before I’d got crate open and pinned him down and pry bars apart enough to get leg out, so managed to avoid serious injuries. But I’m surprised it didn’t end with vets trip, as he was throwing his whole weight into pulling away and his leg was pinned to floor, while the rest of him was standing and thrashing in every direction.
I knew importance of bar spacing when I bought that crate (grew up breeding/owning most small pets species!), but I wrongly assumed that this very narrow gap below crate door, running just above the height of base tray, was too toy breed for a puppy to get leg through, let alone an medium sized adult dog.
Hopefully adding my personal almost vets bill, makes it clear I’m not being judgemental, if it was the crate to cause injury. Accidents happen, especially when animals are involved and even when you think you’ve done everything perfectly, they’ll usually find some new problem/risk!
As a parrot owner I would never leave a bird in cage such as that because if they slip they can easily harm them self in.
Could the bird have slipped and fallen in the cage and broken its wing trying to get itself upright again? That seems more likely, since needles dont break bones. Sure, the vet might have left an open wound, but they couldnt have broken its bone with a needle.
That infected wing break is probably from mishandling/restraint by you or the peacock flapping its wings in the cage for the poop collection since it was not comfortable/didn't have enough room. Be careful in who you immediately place blame on. The answer is usually in the mirror from my experience.
Emily the injury to the bird probably wasn't seen or noticed before he had to take it to the vet which is why he figured they did something wrong. Though an infection to the Peacock would explain as to why the birds around it died as it could've became an airborne thing. However both this vet and the college sounds suspicious ngl.
@@DawnWolf-drag0n I think they sound suspicious because the narrator of the story is suspicious of them. Read the short story Cask of Amontillado for a master class on analyzing an unreliable narrator.
@@emilysimoneau No its not because the narrator sounds suspicious, I dealt with a vet before where they just say things and do no good to help. Because of this I lost 2 cats to an unknown illness and I did everything I could to take them to the vets and none of the vets I went to have told the actual reasons as to why my cats were essentially drowning when they weren't in water. None of the vets told us what is going on, they just beat around the bush because they were greedy for money because they themselves didn't know what was going on.
Infection doesn't immediately set in, he'd had it back for a few days, so theres a good chance it was from the vet
@@EllesGhost13 In which I agree with you Ghost I am too thinking it was from the vet and they aren't taking responsibility for their actions because of greed.
It sucks when vets mess up. I’ve had some great and terrible experiences with them as well. I hope he gets better
why did they not seal the spot they took blood from though?
seems self explanatory.
I've had the same problem and one of them was at a university clinic unfortunately my beloved dog was killed. Then to make matters worse they wanted to charge me for blood that he never received. I wish there was a Dr Pol in every town. We used to have one where but unfortunately he passed away a few years ago. He passing has been a great loss to put little community. I hope you find an answer soon, also I pray your beautiful bird recovers.
@@dginn7640 He died from blood being taken?
The vet put my pet down and didn’t even tell us that they were going to euthanise him!
@@biscuitsdippedinlemonade9130 that is absolutely illegal and a waiver must be signed with approval. Also, if your pet was there without you being cared for buy them, they should have called you to express concern.
I think it wasn't the vet but if a bird get stressed out, it can hurt its wings in the cage. I got a parrot once full bloodied and he never healed, because he was always so stressed out that flapped the wings on the railing and opened up the wounds again.
But if the bone is out of the wing without skin-and-flesh, you should consider an amputation of the wing :(
They were probably hoping you wouldn't notice.
A lot of veterinary practices and locations in rural areas do not seem up to par with some clinics or practitioners I have noticed in multiple states which is very sad, please do research into what vet's you choose! It's very important to your family's and pets welfare!
So sorry y'all! Praying for a solution and a speedy recovery for your peacock.
That's heartbreaking💔
I'm so sorry to see the last one has a such grieveous injury.
i really hope he gets better, i’m so sorry about the terrible experience you had with the vet. it might not seem ideal but have you maybe considered looking out of state, or a traveling vet, try emailing them about this issue hopefully they can help you with the wing. you could request an x-ray with the vet to see if he could have any fractures.
thanks for uploading, i love your channel 😌🫶🏽
Hope and pray everything turns out alright. God bless ya'll!
Poor thing. I’m sorry that happened!
Thank you
I am so sorry! You should report this!! It is really sad after my younger sister watched this she started yelling that the vets were mean. That is really sad!
One was very nice and interested in helping, the other one was not so nice. Unfortunately, it was the not-so-nice one's decision to no longer help after the injury.
@@whitehouseonthehill It is really sad either way. You guys are the best you can work through this and what is done is done.
I will pray for the peacock 😢😭🙏
File a lawsuit against the vet for mishandling the peacock.
He's a BEAUTIFUL bird hope you get some answers soon & I pray he get better . Poppy is living the good life on the farm 💜🍀💜🍀
So sad 😢 hopefully he will be ok
So sorry I hope everything turns alright !! 🙏😔
How sad and frustrating. You’re doing everything right. Sometimes even that just isn’t enough. Not your fault !!! Keep faith in your project and trust that everything happens for a reason. ❤
Thank you, Darlou
poor bird! I would be so frustrated with the clinic
Hi love your videos! I think the little bugs are possibly bird lice. I suggest putting lime powder inside his enclosure to kill the lice.
I'll do it.
@@whitehouseonthehill There is a plant bug killer powder that you can find anywhere (basically sulfur powder) I had I mite infestation on my rooster. The sulfur powder kills ANY bugs INSTANTLY. I’ve dusted my chickens with it every year since. I’ve had no problems with bugs ever since. I love you channel and family, can’t wait to see more ❤
If you’re worried about using chemicals that might be bad if you’re kids accidentally ingest some, try using diatomaceous earth. You can find it at garden centers and farm stores. 100% organic and it’ll kill just about anything with an exoskeleton but won’t hurt you or your family. My family has been using it for years and it works wonders!
Lime?
Actually a permethrin bath will take care of any mites!! It works great just have to blow dry the feathers out after wards or put a heat lamp on them till dried.
It’s really frustrating knowing that you guys don’t have answers yet. I hope you find out if he’s ok or not. Sending lots of love ❤❤❤❤❤
I'm so sorry that happened. I wonder if a nature center or zoo could help maybe? Prayers for the peacock. And Prayers for all of you. I enjoy all your videos.
GOD DAMN THE WIND SOUND
Hope it feels better
That is SO SAD!!! What a beautiful bird!!!!
This is upsetting. My grandpa and step grandma had peacocks and I loved being around them all the time so this really breaks my heart.
That really sucks, especially since they denied it was their fault. Peacocks are very expensive and exotic. They DO NOT deserve to be treated that way. I'm also so sorry that all the others died. I watched that video a while back. If you try to hatch more, I wish you good luck.
I am so sorry guys. I have had similar problems with finding a vet to treat farm birds. And similar experiences when taking them to a vet willing to see one. I hope your peacock heals up and you can find a way to make his life a good one.
I honestly don't know much about birds, but another channel I watched recently mentioned feather lice and cysts. Could it be a feather cyst from an ingrowing feather? I think feather lice can perpetuate the risk of in growns too. Or could the bird have caught it's wing in the cage bars somehow to cause the injury
so sorry about your white peacocks you guys must work very hard to keep it heathy and strong my deepest empathy sending love for your hard effort and love
I am local and recognize that vet. I have heard way too many stories like this about that place. They are cheaper for a reason!! I hope you can get the answers you need.
Can you reach out to the local zoo or a bigger one near you? Send them the link to the video and pictures to see if maybe their vet staff can assist? If not maybe they can point you in a direction to get some help?
Sounds like your birds have mite. And that's what has killed them
I hope they are ok
Hey I just saw this video. I wanted to let you know that I used to work for a Chicken and development farm. We have to test chicken every week for any diseases so we would collect their wet poo and take a long Q-tip and swab it down their throat and send it to the lab for testing. Blood drawn was not necessary. I hope all the Best!
Just saw this pop up.
Poor bird😢
My heart goes out to him and your whole family.
How is the bird now?
Could you reach out to other peacock owners to see if they have had similar situations happen? It sounds alot like the trainer you sent joey not knowing farm dogs. Try that or even rehab places or zoo's my some extra knowledge. Try looking in places with knowledge of the bird and then go to the a vet whose willing to listen
Good advice
Exotic vets are hard to find and expensive. We have a breeding pair of emus and had to get them updated on the shots they needed and test done to travel from Colorado to Kentucky ( our new home) and it was almost impossible to find a vet that even wanted near them. Good luck with the bird
Animals don't need SHOTS. Just like humans don't need them. Record number of dogs with enlarged hearts, coughing and seizures. God creates perfect animals. Humans have been trained to trust the white coats and not GOD.
@@pamelaremme38 okay I understand your point of view but you obviously never had a puppy die in your arms from parvo due to just not getting it's shots . Some shots are needed others I agree not needed. My nannies get certain shots to help them but not all that is recommended is necessary. Depends on the shot and side effects. I'm not giving my animals a shot that can cause heart problems stroke or cancer just like I'm not getting one that can do the same to me.
@@stacymcgee5378 I believe ALL shots are bad. Parvo probably developed due to a weakened immune system from prior shots.
@@stacymcgee5378 They ALL cause harm. IMO
@@pamelaremme38 she never had any so your theory on her weekend immune system due to prior shots doesn't work. I mean I do understand your opinion I just don't agree 100% with it.
I think it is weird that didn't fix the break. Sure they couldn't fix enough for him to fly but having the bone protruding through the skin isn't an answer. They may have had to smooth of the sharp edges of the bone and tuck it back in the hole and sew it up. The bone would fuse to the bone it broke from in a stair step. You would have to bind it to his side with vet wrap for a couple of weeks to immobilize the wing so it would heal. I have seen a wild Canadian Goose whose leg healed like this. It is possible for it to heal if you can get the bone back under the skin.
I have to agree with you that claiming there was nothing that could be done to treat the injured wing was obvious nonsense. An open wound and a broken bone are staple injuries that wildlife rescue treat all the time.
@@ThePodVon It may have not been able to be fixed because of the age of the wound but they could have amputated the wing and saved the bird. I have seen this done with pet chickens.
Bone outside if skin shouldn't be "tucked back in." That will cause massive infection. (Osteomyelitis) Either the affected area or the entire wing should be amputated, or the bird euthanized.
Chicks dying: were they vaccinated for Marek's disease (on day ONE?) Were they on medicated feed, if not vaccinated for coccidiosis? Putting young chicks on the ground without medicated feed is an impending wipeout from coccidiosis. Older birds can handle it, but chicks usually die. Were the chicks old enough to be exposed to the outdoor temperature, if they weren't covered by a hen?
Backyard Chickens website, & plenty of other poultry websites, contain a wealth of information, disease management, winterizing your coop, avoiding frostbite, etc.. They also have forums for you to ask questions & receive answers from experienced keepers. Mostly devoted to chickens, but you can get help from keepers of other fowl, also.
Good luck to you!
@@ellendaniels3026 Your right it would be wrong of a vet to tuck it back in and not amputate. I had in my head a wild goose that had survived a break that didn't pierce her skin but the bone overlapped and refused to itself. It left her with a stiff leg. Her flock mates deferred to her though. When throwing food to them they competitively crowded each other but didn't crowd her.
The way the turkey sounded😂 1:43
Those vets mishandled the bird, they damaged the wing. How disgusting and unprofessional.
I'm ok with them making a mistake - but I'm more frustrated that they had no interest in helping after the injury. I was in shock.
Agree totally shocking, so sorry for the poor bird 🥲
Hi, this video just showed up in my feed. Not sure where you live, but I’m in Tennessee. I’m in Cookeville and anytime there’s a case a local vet can’t cure or a wound is two extensive, they tell people to go to the University of Tennessee where there’s a vet school. They know a lot more and if their stumped, they’ll call another vet school to find answers. So what I’m trying to say is if you can, find a reputable University with a vet school and take your Peacock there.
im so sorry this happened evreyone show him luv!
All peacocks and well, all birds are so beautiful and it’s so sad when they are hurt or dead
That's so sad. I hope he survives he looks like a beautiful Peacock. He must have been very expensive. It would be sad to lose all six of them. I pray that he will recover.
Really sad to hear this has happened. With regards to handling, it might be different with peacocks, but I've always been taught to pick birds up with both hands, covering the wings. Stops them flapping in your face and it seems to calm them down a bit. I've only worked with hens and pigeons though - not sure it would work with something bigger, like a peacock.
That works fine for chickens but my muscovies even the six week olds will get their claws up and shred your hands open.
@@staceyogier6154 Blimey. They sounds hard to handle! Never done ducks, although I have been thinking about it. We have a pond but there's also a fox somewhere nearby, and we don't have proper fencing set up for the pond.
both hands and a gentle but very firm grip over the wings works well, especially if you tuck them into your body. for birds that like to kick, just hold their back toward your chest and their feet facing outward away from you, or hold them like a rugby ball under your arm with the feet facing backward. Any vet who handles animals should be debriefed in how to handle said animal properly. For birds, if you’ve handled even just chickens before, its not rocket science. This bird shouldn’t have been mishandled! I really hope the owners find out what happened and seek justice :(
I’m a former vet tech, this looks like they tried to restrain him to draw blood and broke his wing.
When we needed to draw blood from birds, reptiles or just nervous animals we gave an option to sedate them. To prevent injury for mostly the patient and ourselves.
- If you didn’t witness them drawing the blood that’s likely what happened and they are trying to avoid responsibility.
I personally would investigate this further.
Someone is responsible for that broken wing, if not the whole facility then an employee messed up.
I live in the US and my hedgehog scratched her only good eye and we called every animal hospital in our state and a few outside of our state and nobody would take her. One place finally said that they would but they are really busy and we weren't able to get her in until a couple days later and everything just kept getting worse and by the time the vets were able to see her she was already completely blind but they gave us some medicine to give her and they tried their best and are really good at their job. She doesn't run on her wheel anymore ever since she became blind but she is still very active and seems very happy
Any update on how the pea chick is doing? My kids are concerned and wondering if he/she is going to survive. They love your show and learn so much from it!😊 We hope he/she is doing better!
Sorry for the problems and I hope he heals enough to have a good long life. As for 5 grams, that's about 1 teaspoonful. Although I would likely double that for a sample. Good luck.
When i first got my chickens i had a rooster that i loved him and i couldnt find anyone that would take care of him. He was limp one morning and couldnt stand up. I took him in and they said he was fine but they couldnt know until i paid 110 dollars for an xray, they said they didnt see anything and the next 2 days he was dead and i was heartbroken. Vets need to be held accountable
That is a gorgeous white peacock. The wing infection is why it is difficult to find a vet to treat birds. I used to breed parrots in Florida. It took a while to find a great bird vet. I wish you the very best for you, your family and farm/ranch. Plus... I am Lady Rebecca and my hubby is Lord James the same way y'all are. I got ours in 2020. So cool. Congratulations. Haha.
I don't know how y'all do it. This broke my heart. Hope he feels better soon. His poor wing. 😢
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On the other hand, it’s really sad to see the peacock in this condition... My prayers go out to you.
It’s really cool how close you are to Kansas City. I’m in Missouri my self and live pretty close to the City’s
Good Lord, I'm so sorry your all going thru this. Sorry for your bird too. 😢💖🙏
Poor baby hope he's feeling better in 2023 😟😞😢
i hope your peacock makes it through this. i don't know much about exotic birds or birds in general but i hope you don't have to amputate due to obstruction of blood flow or due to a broken bone. it's hard to find exotic vets since a lot of people don't have them even though vet schools expose their students to all sorts of animals to work on. a friend of mine is currently in vet school in NY.
I feel so horrific for this poor peacock! He lost his entire family and now he’s in constant pain! When he cried out it made me cry! I hope you an find another vet ASAP because the bone protruding with bugs coming out of his infection is a terrible sign! 💔
Yo that red fénix is AMAZING!
I had a similar problem with a vet in colorado. I took my cat to a vet in Boulder they said they'd done blood work and x Ray's and would email me the information so I could take it with me to a different vet. 14 hours of waiting, over a thousand dollars and I never got either x Ray's or blood work that they supposedly did. They basicly just took my money and sent me home with cheap pain meds and never sent any proof that they actually did anything I paid for.
Consulting experts is still your best solution as to finding out what killed those chicks so you can prevent that from happening again and infecting your other birds. Talk to some peacock experts like your state avian experts or from other peacock farmers. In fact you can reach out to the farm that sold you that peacock. Maybe they might have some answers for you.
"they didn't seal up where they drew the blood from and so it was an open wound." do you hear yourself? even if the needle caused an open wound it would not cause the bone to protrude
Take them to court, don’t accept anything less then holding those who did this responsible. Get their license revoked as they are a danger to animals
Congratulations my Laird and Lady! 💕🤗😇
I find that very few vets know anything about birds, especially exotic birds. I hope all goes well and he heals up. Birds are so delicate.
Wildlife Aid have great vets who can tend to most types of animals. They have done great work with avians. They're based in the UK though. Perhaps reaching out to a channel like Hope For Paws? They have recued birds as well and have sent them to vets who know how to treat them.
I am so sorry this happened. I have been watching you all since Bamboo was an egg. I know how long you have tried to get white peahens and was so happy you were able to hatch out 7 and cried each time you lost one. I am praying that Jesus will bless you with finding out why they all died so you can have a healthy flock we can watch!! : )
So sorry for what happened to your pets. I hope they get better!
Hopefully you have a knowledgeable Vet watcher who is willing to help and reaches out 🙏