The Cost Of Concordia | An Internet Historian Reaction!
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Fun Fact:The company that removed the ship that blocked the Suez Canal is the same one that refloated the Concordia.
BOI I cant wait for internet historian to do a video on that one!
The 'Clean up after your fuck up' crew
@@xainreaper6458 man they do a fucking good job they should be hired for all ship stuff
Boskalis is a salvage company. It's what they do. Still, great work though.
The only thing they can't salvage is the captains fucking career
"You so- fucking- precious- when you- 🌈 smile🌈"
That killed me
Same 😂🤣
“It’s okay. I mean they’re not okay, but you’re okay”. This fucking made me choke on my drink. My god that caught me off guard.
thats a family guy line right there
God dammit!!! You beat me to it xD
thats what im gonna say when anyone cries in front of me lmao. i feel so awkward when people cry even if its just in a video.
It got me too.... fitting that I was the 666th like on this comment lmao. That was some dark humor there
@@lashay7684 same, bruh is it weird that i find other people crying at these silly?
You must not have seen, but when Martin the Magician dipped, he opened the latch on the box, letting the woman in the box escape, from what internet historian showed.
Oh thank God I thought she just died
It’s about 16:45-16:55.
The notes InternetHistorian leaves on screen are very interesting. I even missed the running tally of endangered people on first viewing.
@@JoshSweetvale Another good one was when the mistress was rambling about how it was like she died the second time because before she took the crush with her psychological brain. In the upper right corner popped up a picture of Steve Harvey looking confused and a note reading something like, "A reminder that people literally, non-figuratively died."
@@DoubleDoubleDouble I chased down some news articles from the time and a colleague of hers confirmed she survived.
Dude the call with the coast guard where he tells the Captain to get back on the ship is recorded and available to listen. It's amazing. He basically tells the captain "you may have escaped the sea but you won't from me" it was crazy
He’s the real MVP.
It is included in Q&A (partially)
That is some rorshach level speech
Gregorio deFalco just is a CHAD like that
@@defrozendonut8715Rorshach is the best
Well played... today is the anniversary day of the titanic sinking. At least here in Australia
Credit to levorg for that one! Y’all are a day ahead I always forget. Welcome from Las Vegas!
Today I thought it was on April 14 ohh wait timezones I forgot
Yeah it sucks having friends in Australia celebrating a holiday before us and wanting to hang out with them and then having the holiday after them and they want to hang out, always will love my aussies tho
#CALCULATED
@@Chavezzslovakia what is the intro music you used
What kills me is the very obvious language barrier between the captain and helmsmen. Imagine driving passenger side with someone who can barely understand you on a road that neither of you know anything about in the mountains.
The company is mostly to blame for that. They shouldn't have hired him. They also shouldn't have kept the captain after wrecking 2 other ships.
@@Shythalia This is what happens when there's no real margin between 'operating as normal' and 'history books.'
See also nuclear reactors.
Piloting cruise ships is so boring and nuclear reactors are so safe, that _everything_ has to go wrong for it to be noticed by the Big Bosses.
And by that time people are dead.
Speaking as an Indonesian myself, Rusli might have at _least_ understood 1 to maaaaybe 12 in English, and like basic phrases. But I think what made it more difficult for him to understand the captain is saying is probably his accent.
"My buddy - Crazy Abdul"
wonder if anyone will recognize the reference
There was a navigation officer who watched the video and said that this issue is pretty common nowdays. /watch?v=y4pm2jMDdQc
16:50 When the magician... _vanished..._ during the initial blackout, he at least had the presence of mind to unlock his magic box before doing so. The woman inside got out, and by the time the whole apparatus rolls offstage, it's been empty for ten minutes.
The woman who had been in the box is never mentioned again, but considering that the vast majority of the people on board survived uninjured, we can safely assume she's fine.
Look at the bottom of the video when white text appears because it will show facts at certain times in the video telling us about facts he couldn’t tell us in the video.
It's quite astonishing how all these people just ran away immediately, and that last person found dead who was just a crew member, perished while saving people.
thank you for this update. I wasn't sure she made it out
I guess ill I'll be watching this internet historian video for the fifth time.
Not that i mind.
Yeah
I’ve watched this same video at least 4 or 5 times
Fr. This video is SO GOOD.
Even the ads are great
@@craig.6076 the ad was the greatest youtuber ad I’ve ever seen
I've actually seen other reactions many times too 😂.
@@RS-fy9hb that’s how I’ve been watching it over and over
I think the thing that has me the most tilted is that absolutely NONE of those people had to die. Not a single one. Every death was from drowning from people trapped in parts of the ship that flooded when the evacuation order wasn't given fast enough. Fuck the captain forever.
Chavez: *hears FF7's victory theme* "damn, is that my phone?"
Nah, you just cultured af
how about the halo 3 opening theme from cortana's speech about chief.
@@calvinneason3059
...or/and music from Chaos Theory (Splinter Cell).
@@slim6193 shit, which song? The whole OST is 100% bangers from beginning to end
I thought the same thing. Same ringtone.
One of Internet Historian's best works.
I agree, because if not for this video, people wouldn't know about it, I lived in Italy at the time (I'm Swiss and back in Switzerland now), and I remember how it was the number 1 topic on every newspaper and tv, and while I didn't even know all the details said here, I remember how upset everyone was at Schettino for being such a coward, and yes the "vada a bordo cazzo" became a meme, before memes were even a thing. Listening to the whole phone call is so satisfactory, because this bastard who costed people their lives, a lot of money, psychological damages and else, is yelled at with the uproar of a tornado. I think if De Falco could have punched him via phone, he would have. Such a shame that he was basically downgraded, thanks to him people were saved faster.
Something that wasn't mentioned, not even in the Q&A, is that for the years while the ship stayed there, tourists would take selfies with it, which of course upset people very much, it was a catastrophe and people died, and these dumb fucks just took smiling pics with the half sunk ship like it was funny.
Skitten is such a good natured person. She's the only one I've seen get genuinely upset when hearing the number of deaths.
Stfu, chavez got upset too but you didnt mention anything about that.
you can be empathetic and sympathetic without crying though.
@@stevelaw9196 Chill.
@@stevelaw9196 Who hurt you in such a way? Tell us.
true, i've seen about 30 reaction videos on this and all gave a semi-sad "awww"
skitten teared up, now that's baller right there, she's a keeper.
Chavezz comforting Skitten is one of the most wholesome thing I've seen lately.
There's a reaction done for this video by a navigator and he said that decision whether to send a whole rescue operation is a tough one because just based on Schettino's response, no one on land could have known the actual situation is. It could very likely just be black out like he said. If it's the former, then De Falco would've sent a whole crew for nothing, wasting resources and could receive severe disciplinary action. Thank god he stuck to his gut feeling.
Actually, the pollution from the Costa Concordia was small. The fuel area was never hit or damaged, so there was no leak. As for the trash, that's what the nets and red floating barriers are for. To keep the trash contained.
The records show that after it was cleaned up, the area was far cleaner than before the Concordia sunk there.
If I hear " My Heart Will Go On " on a cruise ship I would be scared
Whoever did that is either a huge prankster or a huge a-hole who saw a moment they couldn't pass up. Probably both.
Dave Barry, the humor columnist, reported that one time he was on a cruise and the band played "The Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald" by Gordon Lightfoot.
I one had the twilight zone episode terror at 30,000 feet play when I was on a plane
I heard that song during my first boat ride as a 12 year old on a trip around that Chicago harbor.
Nothing happened, we just ate lunch on a boat, but you better believe I was sweating bullets until my feet touched dry land again.
When Skitten started crying so did I :(
It angers me because you had a completely incompetent captain, with an inexperienced crew, piloting an expensive new ship that has everything breaking down or not working and leaving on a bad luck day on the 100th anniversary of titanic...Jesus bloody christ...
Yeah literally set up for disastor
@@digiwolfbyte8017 Right? Even if you are not the superstitious type......That's just taunting the universe for everything to go wrong! xD
It angers me that the company that hired that incompetent captain and the inexperienced crew to steer their new million dollar ship that had everything breaking down or not working like they were actually asking for an accident like this only needed to pay 1 million dollars.
New? It was 6 years old.
Most crews especially cargo ship crews have crew members from different nations.
I'm about to make the captain crashing two cruise liners even more bullshit for you. Schettino was actually an extremely experienced captain with decades in command of large vessels. He captained mostly large ferries but had spent plenty of years as a bridge officer on cruise liners before taking over as captain of the Concordia. He was GOOD at what he did, but the moment something went wrong, he folded like a pathetic, cowardly house of cards.
I've heard the drive-by salute was also a favour for the maitre-d, whose sister lived in Giglio. It was supposed to be a cool thing for her, and then they skimped on procedure and made it a disaster.
He was clearly not "good" at what he did, performance-wise. "Experienced" and "good" aren't the same thing - and his performance sucked. Not only did Schettino have 3 crashes in 4 years, he was also incredible reckless even before the crash of the Costa Concordia occured. 16 knots was way too fast and his experience should have told him so instead of making him arrogant and want to get the sip "closer than ever before" to Giglio. He also should have known that his helmsman wouldn't understand him properly and have actually coordinates shouted out (as was procedure) to ensure that even with delays due to the language barrier, the ship wouldn't go off course. It was also just a really dumb idea to "eyeball" the approach instead of using vertical line navigation at the least. And that's all before going in-depth on his cowardice, indecision and dumb decisions after the incident.
@@Nr4747
"Twice the pride, double the fall"
Let put it this way, he was good enough that he almost prevented collision at the last second, but he was too arrogant to play it safe and follow procedure, and too cowardly to take responsibility when the crash happened
So, the how it happened is pretty well covered in the video...
The *why* it happened, I think boils down ultimately that the Captain was attempting to show off for his mistress. Which is probably why they denied the relationship so hard, as it was a contributing factor in the disaster...
I would disagree on the why. As being distracted by the mistress seemed to be an excuse, as Internet Historian said on the side notes where the VDR disproved that theory.
Doing sail-by salutes on behemoth ships is juggling loaded chainsaws already, that evening was just bad luck.
@@JoshSweetvale bad luck+ incredibly high incompetence and language barriers basically ruining any chance of success
Honestly , even tho the captain was a scumbag, almost everyone that helped steer the ship was equally as incompetent in one way or another a
Actually, Internet Historian covers why this happened in his Q and A.
I'm so used to horrific stories, so seeing someone getting genuinely upset over this one reminds me how fucked it actually was. Skitten is a good duck.
What’s got me pressed is how the hell did he get to walk around without people whipping his ass?!
Italian corruption? Misreporting? I don't actually know, but apparently Italy is insanely corrupt.
From what I understand, the captain is currently serving a 16-year sentence in an Italian prison for manslaughter...
@Nigel Lush thank goodness the rest of the crew wasn't as incompetent as him. They would of probably had to deal with a fire from the emergency generator if they were.
@Nigel Lush don’t worry, with his level of scumbaggery he’s not gonna last long on the outside with zero guard protection, I can assure you of that.
@@hunter5822 Hard to say. For one, it's Italy, not the US. For another, there are some rather plausible conspiracy theories that Schettino had some actual mafia connections, which likely could get him some degree of protection. A security chief is a position that has the authority to look the other way about certain things, and then that security chief somehow becomes captain? And then fails to get fired despite crashing two different ships on two different occasions when docking? It does make sense if he was hired for some quality other than competence.
@@martenkahr3365 I would agree to that except how would the mafia have influence on Costa Cruise Line to do that?
@@airplanegod Considering how much building cruise ships costs, and how long it takes to make the money back, companies like Costa Cruise Line probably "tacitly endorse" illegal drugs getting on their ships the same way, and for the same reason, they appoint captains that are willing to do sail-by salutes. Because drugs are a part of the decadent cruise experience that attracts customers. Those companies are downright desperate to get their investment back, and they're not going to let the law or moral high ground stop them from getting involved with the mafia if it means bigger profits.
Skitten has such a good heart. We can’t have too many decent, empathetic, and caring people in this world. Thank you both.
dont worry, i cried a little when internet historian talked about the last body found on the ship. This a really small event compared to another tragic accidents in history, but still got the same unheasy feeling to it
"It's okay, well they are not okay but you are okay" speech 25, there was an attempt but 25 can only get you so far
"Why would you bring that with you?"
The paintings were on hallways, rooms and common areas, the passengers didn't bring them with them ¬¬
17:14 that is some final destination type shit right there, death is like "Nah fam, you're goin down"
Saddest thing is that if it hadn't been the Helmsman messing up so much, the ship would have missed the rocks with a Toyko drift style drift.
The mistake was trying to show off by doing that close sail by. They shouldn't have been doing that in the first place.
Carnival: We're throwing the captain under the bus
Captain: (already under the bus)
*shoves him under the wheels with foot*
Another coincidence is that the _Titanic's_ captain had also crashed one of her sister ships, having managed to get the RMS _Olympic_ rammed by the Royal Navy cruiser HMS _Hawke_ in 1911. In such a way that White Star had to foot the bill for repairs to both ships.
But at least the captain of the Titanic went down with the ship, instead of being the first one to dash. That was so incredibly disgusting. I'm glad he's in jail, I wish he would have gotten a longer sentence.
The Mii people are Sims from The Sims 4 just to let you know.
The company ceo trying to join the bandwagon of disowning the capital was just... You let him crash a total of *three* fucking cruise ships and only now you’re putting the blame on him?
16 years is "A life-time sentence" in most European courts.
Got it. That makes me feel much better lmao
@@Chavezzslovakia It's a fair enough claim... I mean imagiene spending your 20's or 30's in prison.. When you get out you have pretty much wasted the prime of your life. (And you can serve multiple life-sentences.)
The ship crashing memes killed me evey time. I'm so simple dude🤣🤣
Good news, the magician's assistant escaped. He opened the box as he was running from the stage
This is the best breakdown of the shipwreck
The sickening thing about the captain and Carnival cruise lines, is that Carnival defended the captians actions to the end.
Until the exact moment they decided that it was too much work and threw him under the bus so hard that I should be saying they threw him under the cruise liner.
Which makes it even more gross. Oh yeah mate, we got your back! Wait, this might be bad for our image? All the captains fault!
im honestly surprised not a lot of people know about this ship. i knew about the disaster since it was first on the news when i was 10 years old. i even remember on the news there was some testimony from a survivor who said that a woman gave their child to them hoping to save it.
A while ago I went on a binge of cruise ships in disaster. You'd think this was a isolated incident with a bad captain but there's been 1 where a captain abandoned ship and basically a passenger on board had to take control of their own rescue efforts. As for Italian courts..... they kinda allow double jeopardy. So even some people who are found not guilty or innocent sometimes get thrown back in the courts a few times
That explains how he ended up with a longer sentence after the last appeal.
Man the way chavezz comforted skitten when she cried of the deaths was so heart warming.
Internet historian ads are the best ads ever. you don't want to skip em cuz they're always entertaining
At least so many were saved that night, seeing this video reminds me of the more recent Sinking of MV Sewol a ferry ship in south korea, where over 300 passengers died 250 of those were high school juniors. Cameras arrived before rescue and you can see some students banging on the windows, as the ferry sinks. It was a horrible tragedy. Imagine all those parents, their were only 75 students left alive in that junior year most of their classmates passed away. They were told to stay in their cabins, while the captain and crew abandoned ship, and for the most part they listened leading to their deaths.
I think Reignbot or someone did a video on that. That was such a horrible and infuriating tragedy.
The videos the students left on their phones make it even more heartbreaking.
I can't believe I missed this video! As an italian myself, this whole Costa Concordia thing was incredibly upsetting when it happened and it still is. One thing's for sure, I NEVER thought I would see you guys watch our italian news intro! Lmao
In case anyone is interested, the music that plays when the ship hits the rock is Montserrat Caballé singing the aria O Mio Babbino Caro from Puccini's opera Gianni Schicchi.
This was cool to watch since I was part of the crew that re-floated her...
Man Chavezz was a real gentleman this video, caring for his wife and telling her to take as much time as she needed.
That's a real man
I'm glad to see I wasn't the only one who started crying when he got to the casualties.
It's just so upsetting.
Nice pfp
So basically hiring a Indonesian boy who was not even qualified for the job costed the lives of 35 people... Gotta love such a fine establishment.
The fact he has yet to be found is the most frustrating thing of this story.
@@Spartanz1170 cant say this is his fault though. He young and stupid, and he is probably a poor guy who would say anything to get a decent job. People who hired him should knew better, you are hiring a helmsmen who will control a ship with a lot of people on board.
It gets worse. There's another reaction where a ship staff dude watches this part and says "sadly, this is getting more and more common nowadays". They didn't even learn their lesson from this incident.
@@redgunnit they definitely learned their lesson. Unfortunately, the lesson is "an occasional disaster costs less than hiring a good crew"
It's more complicated than that... He at least had the baseline to even be hired. The issue is that in large ships like these, you need to be certain about the commands you give. Lots of micro adjustments are less effective for a massive ship like that one. The captain kept giving commands with different values. Also the fact that the ship takes some time to actually react to these adjustments meant that the guy had very little time to do them. So by the time maneuverer 2. was finished, the captain was issuing command 4. At least this is how I understand it. A Naval navigator officer on youtube reacted to this vid and said something along these lines. As internet historian sad, the fatal mistake was not slowing down from 16 knots. I doubt they could have swung the ship around the rocks
It was very brief but he did mention that the 2nd girl did escape. Before the magician dipped out he opened the latch on her box to let her out.
Gregorio De Falco is the audience in all of this. His phone call alone is golden.
So long story short, a company cutting corners in the places that MATTERED (like hiring a competent helmsman and captain) lead to the death of over 30 people
Last time I was this early I still had my will to live
Was that 3 years ago
Why are ppl so dark nowadays?
@@slim6193 You can just see it now, but school children nowadays do report anxiety levels of psychiatric patients a couple years back.
@@slim6193 watch the news
There was note saying that the magician unlached the lock on the girl inside the box. She’s able to escape
28:46 you guys have a VERY healthy relationship. 😊
I would recommend people also watch the Q&A where IH goes into further detail and how even though the captain ABSOLUTELY deserved jail, he was also thrown hard under the bus while others got away
the book title roughly translates to "the truth overwhelmed".
I especially love the use of sims in place of some of the officers
Fuck yeah time to get some snacks, sit back and enjoy watching
As to why they had those Japanese woodcuts on board, I can't speak for the Concordia but the cruise I went on a few years ago had an art auction for one of the activities. They could have been on board for something like that.
Making a meme: ”So disrespectful”
Looting a ship that 32 people just died and remain in: ”Hell yeah!”
You're not alone Skitten. I busted out in tears when I heard that baby cry
IH: "...Who steals a big fuck-off bell?"
This guy: *IT'S A BIG BELL AND NOW IT'S MY DINNER BELL, WASSUP!*
YESSS A WHOLE ONE HOUR OF CHAVEZZ AND SKITTEN!!
Y'all are my fav reactors all bc of your chill & cool vibes ❤
Same
The fact they they parbuckled that big of a ship was extremely impressive.
Parbuckled?
@@NodDisciple1 it is a way of turning a ship upright. It was done in World War II in Pearl Harbor.
Funny reaction of You guys. BTW the "Cockpit" on ships, is called Bridge.
I was always really encouraged by how emergency personnel handled this whole thing. The Coast Guard in particular. It was a terrible story, but it would have been a lot worse if they hadn't been so alert.
Death penalty? Don't think that would float.
I...I ..... Wow.
I.. I don't even know where to start with you
@@kaptainkibiroproductions45 Start from the bottom, I sunk pretty low to post that.
@@LemmingOfEvil I don't know weather to slap you or give you a beer this is so clever but I'm mad... Like I don't think my grandfather would/would've made jokes of this caliber
@@kaptainkibiroproductions45 I'll take the drink; you don't have to deck me.
@@LemmingOfEvil *sigh*
👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏props to you man you kept pushing it and went for it 3 times in a row I actually don't know what to do here
why did i actually tear up at seeing skitten upset lmaooo
I wanted to hug her aww lol
Costa is Spanish for Coast. Which is why there are plenty of places in Spain (along the coast) called "Costa Brava" or "Costa del Sol" etc
I did not expect hearing Moldova, the place where i was born and live, to be brought into this whole thing 😭😭
He is so excited about it all and she is on the edge of her seat and concerned lol
27:14 It has been theorized that Schatteno was contemplating suicide btw
I don't often say this, but he should have gone through with it. The disrespect he showed by abandoning ship is beyond infuriating.
@@jesuszamora6949 Well the company who made him captain wanted to save money for themselves so it’s not entirely his fault.
@@pixelwizard9652 it is his fault, to be a capitan is to put your life last before anyone else
ONLY 16 years for 35 deaths?
That is less than 1 year per person!?
I'd be more forgiving if this was an accident but those people may have still been alive had that clown acted sooner!
Say what you will about our sh!tty prison system but he would've gotten a hell of a lot longer in the U.S.A.
passengers: CAPTAIN!!! Just get us to the fucking destination!
Captain: NO and NO
“It’s not about a coast!”
Well… yes, but actually no…
It’s complicated
Hey, that Q&A video he was talking about finally came out. Has some good details, you should check it out.
Why did I get an ad for "colliders" the exact second the ship collided?
There is no death penalty in Europe (not counting Belarus and Russia).
9:29 Quick clarification: drifting is controlled *oversteer*. Understeer is the opposite of that.
Oversteer = cool swinging the back out, sliding and looking awesome.
Understeer = going head first into whatever is in front of you.
This is why you don’t Tokyo Drift with any fucking vehicle.
What noone is talking about is the 57 bidders. Like what if someone actually paid that guy and flew to the ship to take it. Like whats he gonna say?
Buyer : I bought it online. It's mine.
Cops : uuummm... not sure thats how this works.....
Yeah the listing itself is a joke but who put up over 1k of their own money for it
Aw, Skitten
You should review the Q & A of this story to learn more.
Catch that bit about the simulations? This could’ve been avoided if the Cruise line didn’t hire an Indonesian painter to man the helm of a CRUISE SHIP!!!
That's the thing that gets me. How you gonna spend $570 MILLION building the ship and then cheap out on the people driving the thing? Damn if I wouldn't insist on the best staff available for my baby.
I find the fact he used the music from titanic, so funny.
Costa Concordia means Harmony Coast in English, so technically, Chavezz is right about the coast thing.
there was also a certain coast of giglio that the ship was intimately familiar with.
The video hasn't started and I am already laughing like a mad man.
This whole event is the definition for what a recipe for disaster is.
Actually there was no pollution. The beauty about some shipwrecks is that they end up creating artificial reefs for fish and other marine wildlife.
cost of concordia wasnt the biggest disaster since titanic that was estonia concordia wasnt even near the casualties of estonia
Concordia had 30 casualties and estonia 852 but noone remembers or even know that it happened
Ms Estonia* and it was 26 years ago.. still no answers and many very weird stuff going on.. last year a documentary came out where they tried to investigate.. upsetting to say the least. I am going to listen to Urmas Alender(cause his voice always comes to mind when this tragedy comes to mind), a singer who perished on the ship. His songs were related to sea and water and passing away. Some good old rock songs too with less morbid tones(the band Ruja). He was and is very beloved in Estonia. But it has always been said by the survivors that he sang in the bar when it happened. Anyway. I agree. This is not the biggest maritime disaster since Titanic. Sad to see it still does not get the right investigation it deserves. And the families of the people who died or are still lost have to deal with court dealings.. On the Swedish and Estonian sides. Insane.
The title was a joke of the name of the ship but it wasnt clear for everyone and they thought the lifesaver would clear things up for the joke but nope
The lady in the box actually made it out of the box before the magician left he unlocked the box
you crying means you have a soul theres no shame
Or you haven't read enough tragedy reports to become numb inside.
I love when u two react to internet historians. It’s amazing that I’m not the only one with these reactions.
When it came to refloating the ship is the fact that the ship was next to a sea cliff, and if handled incorrectly the ship could have easily slid and fall down the cliff to the bottom where the force of the impact would have damaged the tanks containing the diesel enough for the diesel to leak out it to the sea thereby destroying the habitat, and ecosystems in that area and possibly large parts of the Mediterranean Sea leading to the deaths of hundreds of thousands of marine life, an ruining one of the main sources of income for countries around the Mediterranean as the tropical waters and marine life are one of the main tourist attractions. It would have turned the disaster itself into a devastating ecological disaster. It's why the had to pump the diesel out before the could do anything else.
I love watching people watching Internet Historian, for some reason. I wonder if I’ll also enjoy people watching other people watching Internet Historian. 👀
You do realize Italy has no death penalty, hasn't had it for civilians until shortly after the fall of fascism in 1947 and for military personnel engaging in war crimes since 1994?
😫 watched this whole thing three times and still can't believe it.
Chevezz: it's ok its ok its fine I mean they aren't fine