MTG Top 10: Worst Mythics | Magic: the Gathering | Episode 66
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So, just to further clarify my position, since so many people are upset to see cards they like on the list and think that I hate EDH as a format: I love EDH, it is my second favorite format. You can find lots of EDH videos on my channel. I am not trying to bash EDH at all. However, all mythic rares see play in EDH, so if I made a list of cards that have never seen play anywhere, it would have 0 cards in it. The one card I feel like I made a mistake on is Mind's Dilation, which I acknowledge should not have made the list. If you disagree with my other picks thats fine, this video is a statement of my own opinion. However, if you are going to argue against certain cards on the list, good luck finding other Mythic Rares that see less play than Archangel's Light, Hellcarver Demon, and Eternity Vessel. Yes, they will work in some EDH decks, but they are only played in a small number -- again everyone, EVERYTHING sees play in EDH. Go to EDHREC and do some research, most of you who suggest cards that should be on the list are suggesting mythics that are played more in EDH than the cards on this list!
I hope that clarifies things some. I think next time I do one of these I will include EDHREC stats, since clearly the EDH community is most offended by this list.
Nizzahon Magic you forgot some it's most of the Chandra planswalkers
I gust find it funny because of how in some cases tibalt woud laugh at her because of how bad some of her cards are
I feel like you forgot to take into account things like paradox engine/ other things that can take these bad cards and break them. I agree, stand alone most the cards are bottom of the barrel, but if you include another card in play with it then it could change alot. My humble opinion, first vid of yours I watched. Still enjoyed your vid tho :)
+nosniboR naI Haha fair enough
Nizzahon Magic 4
I read the title as "10 cards to build decks around as a challenge"
+Gabe Bickell Put all 10 in the same deck, that's a real challenge.
Nizzahon Magic. Bet
Well, you can read it as "9 cards to build decks around as a challenge... and Archangel's Light". Seriously, that card is so bad, I would rather open a rare-less pack than opening Archangel's Light.
Minds Dilation can help build a board advantage to exile to Descent into Madness. Also, Lich's Mirror has a nice synergy with Mind's Dilation since you don't return stolen permanents to the Mirror's trigger, they stay on your board while you refill.
Hellcarver Demon can help sacrifice Ugin's Nexus and fill the graveyard for Archangel's Light (edit: perhaps it would fail because the demon would exile too many lands, so we need to think for a fix here). It would be interesting to see if it is possible to go infinite turns by somehow returning Ugin's Nexus from the graveyard with the free cast from the demon.
Also, playing Eternity Vessel after a huge Archangel's Light can slow down the game on your favor quite a bunch. We could think of using Aetherflux Reservoir.
Finally, Ring of Three Wishes, Lux Cannon, Descent into Madness and Eternity Vessel all rely on having counters placed on them, which would set a deck building pattern.
As for Malignus, ever thought of giving it double strike? That one was too obvious, dude.
Icenri
>8 mana sorcery
>Slowing the game down
Yeah man... you tried.
Also, Malignus would just cut the enemy's health to 3/4s with Double Strike. Good, but nothing great.
1. Play Lich's Mirror
2. Give control of it to an opponent somehow.
3. Kill said opponent with infect, commander damage, or some other persistent lose condition not reset by mirror.
4. They reshuffle, but Lich's Mirror stays in play under their control. They immediately die again due to the same lose condition, causing another reshuffle.
5. The game is now a tie due to a neverending loop that players can't control.
6. Find new friends to play magic with.
You shuffle Lich's Mirror into your library though
@@AidanWR nope. Player that "died" shuffles all they own. They don't own your mirror.
@@mememe628 Oh wait, I missed step two
this feels like a Zedruu EDH meme... i dig it
Use harmless offering to give it?
So, I've actually won a match of modern with Lich's mirror. I played a burn mirror and dropped it. I die the first time and topdeck a lethal bolt.
You could also just play Drogon's Claw, but sure why not...
20 life off a dragon's claw?
More like 7-16-ish.
But two mana instead of five, and you don't lose your entire board.
Yooooo your a FUCKING legend I really wish I was there.
It only goes as evidence of it was a ranked gp or pt match, we all have friends to play with
The thing about Lux Cannon is that it stays on the board continuously, until an opponent can deal with it. Once you have three charge counters on it, you have an instant speed removal ready to go whenever you need it, and when you don't need it, you can build up more counters to use later. It's not the fastest, sure, but it's consistent, fairly easy to build up, targets any permanent, and while, with a lot of removal, it's a one-time use and then you need to wait until you draw something else if you need more removal, Lux Cannon lets you know that the maximum amount of time you need to wait is 4 turns. It's especially useful in mono red decks, which have virtually no way to reliably deal with enchantments.
Also in colorless edh decks, and with so many ways to untap an artifact, it's playable
You also don't need to destroy the moment you have the charges, you play strategically and can keep adding charges, knowing what your opponent might have in is deck or hand you know what are the actual targets you'll need to focus, and it's an extra layer of problems that your opponent has to deal with
Or you can build it up with proliferate
Plus if youre playing with just any card yoi can get your hands on, you can easily throw in an infinite loop card for free destruction.
Also, Power Conduit and "Depletion" lands.
Mind's Dilation is just a fun card to used, to be honest
top ten: bad mythic but fun in EDH
crippleingdepression ismyfullname Pretty much, lol
I like it. It goes in my free spells deck, and it's great if you have it in play when someone decides to counter one of your spells and you flip another counterspell off their library
yeah the RNG thing is part of the fun
I agree, he’s wrong on this one.
I thought we'd see Tibalt again.
groovemedium should have half of these cards are better than tibalt
tibalt is numero uno
Actually my favorite flavor pw
I thought it was just going to be Tibalt ten times.
Tubal Tis good halfway through the game, because you can then steal all creatures your opponents control.
Lux cannon synergies really well with unwinding clock especially in EDH
Works great with proliferate too
Lux Cannon is a beast in atraxa
Liches Mirror actually has a really amazing use, that being reanimating a player under your control.
What you do is gift the mirror to one of your opponents with another card and then kill them. The mirror activates and essentially resets them (to half life in edh but still) *BUT* the mirror is not a card they own, its a card they control. As a result it stays in play. That player is now immortal as long as you stay in the game, but if youre defeated that player loses his mirror and becomes mortal again. It is now in his best interest to keep you alive as long as possible. Undead player slave.
I do not agree with Mind's Dilation. It's not awesome, but in slow value-based blue decks in is actually pretty sweet. If you play it on turn 7 and wrath the board later, rebuilding will be dangerous for them. But hey, I'm just a Rashmi player, what do I have to say?
Mind's Dilation is sweet, I used it in Braids EDH.
I use it in my Thrasios-Vial Smasher Deck because whats better that getting their stuff for free? Getting stuff for free and dealing damage on top of that.
A Random Opinion agree, Mind's Dilation is an amazing piece of cardboard. I have seen it shine in so many games, and there are some of them available on YT...
i testet it but its really fucking slow. opponents will only play cards if they really have to if you have dilation.. i never got much value out of it.. its fun but flipping 5 lands in a row sucks xD
Mind's Dilation is very good a friend uses it all the time and he keeps stealing all my good stuff like my dragon broodmother
Liches mirror is for when u cast a spell that kills all players mainly big burn spells like earthquake.
Bradley Kirsch Worldfire?
Electrum Music Worldfire, Obliterate, Decree of Annihilation, Planar Outburst.
Bradley Kirsch True. Dealing 100+ damage when you flash Lich's Mirror with a Vedalkin Orrery in play.
Bradley Kirsch I might just run lich's mirror in my Neheb deck so I can safely earthquake for 60 and survive it.
Decree of annihilation doesn't kill everybody though
I see this video kind of as "Top 10 Worst Mythics that Are Still Fun in EDH"
For example: Lich's Mirror + Phage EDH. Good? No. Hilarious? Yes.
What do you mean with Phage EDH? Phage the Untouchable somehow given to the opponent?
@@marcoottina654 Finding ways to cast Phage from the command zone without dying. From there, you can try to sneak an attack in, or trigger something like Endless Whispers to do what you suggested.
For Malignus i have on word: XENAGOD. But yeah not a great card
*one
Rui Neves in EDH he's pretty awesome. Just leave one person untouched and it's a 20/20.
elemental tribal with a lord in play. cast elemental mastery on it and kill people lol
I was gonna say the same thing. Having it as a finisher in Xenagod is fun. Other than that not amazing.
Rui Neves I can see Malignus in an Omnath Elemental EDH deck
Malignus is one of my all time favorite cards for art, theme, and basically everything except actually playing it.
Hellcarver Demon has incredible art.
Man someone had minds dilation out and I played stolen goods and they hit a counter spell off of the top of my library...countered by my own swan song lol.
Mind Dilation is at its best against multiple opponents who like to run interaction. If someone's casting spells not just in their own turn it starts looking good.
I enjoyed the video and agree with a lot of this, but theres one point I want to bring up, which is the difference between a bad mythic and a failure of a mythic. While I know the reason mythics began to be printed was largely due to the fact that otherwise, with the printing template, some rares would just be "rarer" than others, but Mythics usually stick out the most (to me) as cards that do something unique. Usually, even if a Mythic is unplayable in most cases, it at least presents an interesting idea that hasn't been tried before, which I say justifies its existence at least. (I feel this way about most cards on the list, as at least the IDEA is something neat). I feel that no mythic should really ever be a mythic just because it's strong, despite being fairly basic, and that is what I consider truly a waste of a mythic slot (I can understand some for limited reasons, but it still leaves a bad taste in my mouth). Archangel's Light is an example of a true failure in both departments, as it both incredibly weak and incredibly uninteresting, having the complexity I'd expect to see on an uncommon, while being utterly unplayable everywhere.
At0m1cpickle +At0m1cpickle +At0m1cpickle I agree with your assessment - problem is I needed to pick 9 more, and I'm not sure that any has failed spectacularly as Archangel's light! All of them see play somewhere because of the reasons you laid out. You can even find a few comments about Archangel's light working in some EDH deck.
Nizzahon Magic out of all the "worst" videos of yours I've watched, honestly, Archangel's Light is the only pick I disagree with. But hey, to each their own, right? Love the videos man.
I noticed that Wizards are starting to steer away from that idea and instead are making Mythics based on economy. That's especially prevalent with the latest set in Alliegence. It helps to cheat it out early on.
@@user-cn3kp6oj1n I actually run Eternity Vessel in my Breya deck, and it's definitely helped me out a fair amount of times.
@@NizzahonMagic impervious greatworm is worse than decent into madness and lux cannon. Memnarch is also worse than most of the cards on the list. Nissa, Genesis mage is really bad.
scryfall.com - took me 5 minutes. Mythic, mana cost 5 or greater. bam.
Maybe it's the Johnny in me but I loved almost every one of these cards... they're mostly unweildly but they all seem breakable if you try hard enough.
Lux is played in so many EDH decks. I also love Mind's Dilation 😍.
This has to be one of your most inconsistent videos.
Lux with Unwinding Clock is pretty disgusting
The title could be "MTG Top 10: Fun Mythics to play"
richard garfield once said: if you think a card is bad, the card is just not for you.
Until he saw the cards that Mark Rosewater has allowed to seep into his game.
I have both Eternity Vessel and Lux Cannon in a deck based around proliferation 😓
It's fun having two cannons blowing things up every turn via clasps, engines, and inexorable tides.
I kinda like it with unwinding clock too
Energy Chamber is another good one.
Archangel's Light vs. Elixir of Immortality
Hmmmm....
Well, the Elixir only costs you 3 mana to gain your graveyard back in your library as opposed to the 8 of Light, it tucks itself back into the deck as well, and it can be activated at instant speed. Additionally, it is colorless, making it possible to use it in any EDH deck. Any EDH deck that wants more value off its cards, or any deck worried about milling, will benefit from having an Elixir. It does not see any use in Modern, sure, but it's significantly more usable than Light.
Abderian Agelast It's played in turns sometimes
Elixir of Immortality was technically one of the win conditions for RtRavnica standard control decks. Those decks were built to just do more things than the opponent and eventually value them out, elixir let them keep the value train going with no fear of milling themselves out. Archangel's light was available at the same time and in their colours, but Elixir did the job better.
The biggest thing you missed with the Lich's Mirror that is fairly important to most victory's I've heard of with the Mirror is that you get to keep ALL mana you have spent that turn. So, let's say you played a Channel at some point and then paid your entire life down to kill you and start over... you still have 20+ colorless Mana in your pool to play around with with the seven cards you just drew. It's EXTREMELY deck dependant and of course, very useful in Combo decks for the most part.
Disagree with Mind's Dilation, while it's not a GOOD Mythic Rare, it's actually decent. While it's not going to get a lot of love in regular Magic formats, this thing puts in WORK in EDH.
I've seen eternity vessel played in EVERY Oloro EDH deck I've come across, so it may be niche, but it does what it does well in that niche
The fun thing about the vessel is that it combos really well with aetherflux reservoir in EDH. Here’s how it goes.
You have more than 50 life, with the reservoir in play. Play the vessel, kill a player. Drop a evolving wilds. Kill a player. Crack the wilds. Win.
This also combos well with Vorel of the Hull Clade, because of his ability.
You have 40 life. Play the vessel. Tap Vorel. Double. Land for turn. Life total is doubled. Next turn, tap Vorel, play a land. Rinse repeat.
I have and use 8 out of 10 of these to great effect
Eternity vessel is amazing with a vorrel EDH deck you drop it double its counters and drop a land, double its counters again you can now be at 4x your life and that's if you cant untap vorrel to get to x8 or x16
Wow, I like your videos, but other than the #1 spot, I disagree on every choice. Most of these cards are Johnny cards- cards that beg you to find a use for them. I'm guessing you're not much of a Johnny, then, eh?
Minds dialation is straight up insane in my Rashmi control Commander deck, as you "cast" opponents spell, rashmi triggeres as well. I dont play it with everything that has blue in it, so I get it, its definitely not great, but I think I can think a lot worse mythics in blue then mind's dialation. Good or bad, its such a dun card 😂😂
I was watching this and preparing to comment, "these arent that bad" then I saw lichs mirror
You forgot to list Tarmogoyf.
It's a rare?
ankhi3 only in future sight. In the modern masters sets it is mythic
Not that bad
I like how no one's ragig here, lol.
The closest we got was a "Not that bad"
In a vacuum it's a 0/1 for two mana! Terrible card, I'd rather run grizzly bears
In my breya edge deck ugins nexus is an absolute value bomb and a great combo piece to chain extra turns
"High mana cost? Garbage." Sounds like a salty Red Deck player... lmao.
Lux Cannon/Ring of Three Wishes + Unwinding Clock and/or any proliferate card. Need I say more?
I personally don't agree with many of these choices such as lux cannon or ring of three wishes.
I like opinion-based videos better than stats-driven. They show more of Magic's history and flavor, and the choices and inclusions are more surprising. Would love to see some more complex topics, maybe something like top 5 wonky interactions.
+Phantom IV I am not sure how a video like this shows more of magic history than my usual top 10s. Since they are not evaluated in a historical context at all.
Lich’s Mirror is played in the hilarious “Show yourself the door” deck to force the opponent into making the right choicr
Lich's Mirror is like respawning as a level one character after dying, but you're still caught in the same high level encounter.
I've won games with malignus. Great with any amount of damage doubling or fling.
Lux Cannon was ok in its standard environment because of proliferate.
+meatrace It has 0 top 8s.
HAH!
I'm not trying to say it's great. I like lists like this and don't want to discourage you, but you should probably specify format when making something like this. There are literally hundreds of mythics that haven't seen a top-8, but that doesn't make them bad.
+meatrace What mythics do you think are worse though? It is hard to find any that someone doesn't jam into am EDH or casual deck.
Off the top of my head? Behold the Beyond.
I remember when I pulled a Descent Into Madness.
Initial reaction: Alright, a mythic rare!
After reading: What crackhead wrote this card?
Malignus seems pretty legit in EDH. Someone on the table will have much higher life than others, so you can one-shot a lot of players, and 5 mana isn't even that much investment by EDH standards.
Mind's Dilation looks sweet in EDH too.
I mean with lich's mirror your opponent can be at like 2 life or something and you can bolt them or something
Eternity Vessel with any deck where lands matter, or lifegain matters, or even counters matter is super crazy good, i have no idea why it's number 2
Imagine, 2 Eternity Vessel's out on board with at least 10 difference in counters, with sanguine bond in play. Drop a land, drain 10 life or more from the opponent. haha
While Ugin Nexus is indeed situational, there is waaay too much ways to copy it, sacrifice the token and you gain an extra turn, I believe the rule says the token does hit the graveyard before it fades out right?
Doomsday used Lich’s Mirror for a while, along with Channel. It was really good because Channel let you create as much mana as you want and the Mirror kept resetting you anyways. Then, after looping this a bunch of times because your deck was whittled down to your board, your hand, Doomsday, the 5 cards you selected from Doomsday, which normally consisted of Ancestral, Channel, Lotus, Lich’s Mirror, and Tendrils, you will likely loop with Channel and Mirror a bunch of times until you feel like casting Tendrils of Agony.
So yes. This was the one use for Lich’s Mirror, and it was in Vintage Doomsday.
I know this because Doomsday was my signature deck for Vintage for the longest time, and this was my favorite kill because unlike other Doomsday kills, holding the combo pieces in your hand did not mean you can’t combo.
I am now using ugins nexus in my sideboard in mono U tron because there is a take extra turn meta at my lgs! Thanks for enlightening me haha
don't want to be that guy. 10, 9, 8, are super abusable in Daretti/Mono R Stax. Nexus is a Great Welder Target, in additon to being Stranglehold number 2. Lux cannon, without access to unwinding clock/clock of omens/voltaic key is pretty bad.
most Daretti decks are already running heavy in the mana rocks department. 5 mana isn't to hard to get to to fetch out lock pieces, however in other color stax decks there are superior cards to ring.
outside of that. 6-1 is on topic. 7 is a Staple for Horde of Notions/Mayials Aira/fling/warstorm surge. Granted.... its a very situational card that has shrinking returns. These notions are coming from EDH/CEDH. Im not saying everyone plays hermit druid/Mizzix. However there are some very solid cards that don't see play in meta's.
In other Constructed formats. yeah. Everything on this list is not going to see play in a 60 card deck.
Justin Valentine nexus can't really be that abused though, as it exiles itself
Trivia! Archangel's Light was a last minute addition to the set and they made the cost incredibly high just to thwart any issues with it being OP due to not being able to get tested.
Liches Mirror and a bunch of tutors is probably one of the greatest ways to troll.
Guys, responding and telling me that these cards are playable in a super tiny niche of EDH is kind of proving my point - basically all cards can find a home in EDH with some commander - I said as much in the video!
You forgot Reap Intellect.... So bad, even you forgot it existed.
Lux Cannon is not a niche card in EDH... it plays much better than it looks
Value over time with no further investment, great political card, affects how your opponents play, interacts with untap abilities as well as counter manipulation, etc. Not saying it's a staple but def not a bad or unplayable card.
Nizzahon Magic you should do a video of the best -1/-1 counter cards I run a hapatra and nest of scarabs deck ad would love to hear your advice
This shows how much EDH/CASUAL really matters, and should be the baseline to evaluate MTG cards
Eternity Vessel looks really cool. It seems pretty good in life gain decks
it will set you're life total back o where it was, so it negates you're own life gain.
Patrick Babineau it would be good in a combo deck that used ramp and ways to get back lands from graveyard.
Is there a permanent, other than fastbond, that lets you put lands into play by paying life? That would be a sweet buildaround combo.
it is if you play it early and your oppanants lack artifact removal. playing that thing at 60 life is pretty good lol
if you're like gain deck is at 60 life on turn 6 you're life gain deck is bad. also there is no such effect (except for eastbound itself)
I could _theoretically_ see Hellcarver Demon working with something like Library of Leng, where when you're forced to discard, you can choose to put the cards onto the top of your library - so first you load your hand with powerful, expensive cards, then deal the damage with Hellcarver Demon, discard your cards to the top of your library, exile them, and then play them for free, but it's such a roundabout way of doing things, I can't see it being practical.
Wow I'm actually suprised seeing Lux Cannon. Back in my non-EDH multiplayer games I built a deck around charge counters and the cannon was one of my favourite toys to annoy my opponents :D.
Archangel's light was the first individual card I bought on its own... I think I was trying to combo it with Serra Avatar. It was not a good combo.
hindsight 20/20 right? lol
Hotrob my brother did the EXACT same thing when he started playing, he loved it lol it actually helped when a game against our neighbors RtR mill deck one time
Hotrob Try Phrexian Rebirth, the play Archangel's Light
Vorel EDH can make Ring of Three Wishes work because you can do the stupidest loophole in the universe and wish for more wishes, and UG decks usually have access to ridiculous amounts of mana so the steep cost isn't as much of a concern.
There are far better Vorel targets than Rinf of Three Wishes. Darksteel Reactor (maybe accelerated with Coretapper) or astral cornucopia for example.
same deal as eternity vessel as well the way I see it. Being able to double/ quadruple your life total, and then resetting it after every land drop? Seems good to me, that and the vessel only has to be there for a turn or two to get value, whereas the darksteel reactor combo is way slower than the ring or eternity vessel.
I've gotten eternity vessel up to 1,000+ counters, it's great in Vorel :D
Archangels light is so bad and overprinted, my local card store was offering a free booster in exchange for bringing one back to the store to be sent back to wizards.
My friend has a Monored Kurkesh-artifacts edh deck, and runs both Ring of Three Wishes and Lux Cannon. When you're doubling activated abilities on artifacts for a single red mana, and possibly proliferating and/or untapping artifacts constantly (thanks to artifacts abilities that can ALSO be doubled) you'd be amazed at how devastating those two cards can be.
I'm putting ugins nexus in my breya deck
Ring of Three Wishes? Mana ramp and proliferate.
Lux Cannon? Mana ramp, Filigree Sages, and proliferate.
Ugin's Nexus? If you think this isn't useful, I'd like to invite you to play a guy I know.
I'll give you Malignus. Only play against super life gain decks once every other week.
Descent into Madness is great for token generating decks.
Mind's Dilation EXILES even land cards, which is better than it seems with all the nonbasic lands people use. Again, bring this card around to play against the guys I play with. One guy can't help but build high-octane power decks with really useful cards.
Lich's Mirror? Either Ghostway or controlling your opponents creatures, and Suspend cards.
www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/magic-fundamentals/the-rumor-mill/new-card-discussion/231763-lets-break-lichs-mirror
Hellcarver Demon? Combo with Insurrection, Insidious Dreams, Doomsday.....
Eternity Vessel? Oh, c'mon, man! Vorel of the Hull Clade, Gilder Bairn, Phyrexian Unlife, Necropotence! Need I go on???
Archangel's Light? Great for decks that use dredge, lots of tutors, or self-milling combo engines.
You made this list by considering the cards in a near vacuum. No advice for combos.
In other words, you sound like you are complaining and not taking the time to fix what you see as flaws.
DarthMetool most of these combos are in Christmas land and they're not even that good
I'm sorry, but I don't understand the Christmas land reference.
DarthMetool it means that they aren't very practical and hard to pull off
Okay, thanks for the explanation. I'll accept that that is your opinion and leave off with that.
Why would you play Archangel's Light in dredge or self-mill? Those decks want to see cards in their graveyard. Paying 8 mana to gain a bunch of life and shuffle cards back into your deck is honestly a really bad bargain- you can cast some insane cards for 8 mana in EDH and this doesn't even come close to any of them.
As for putting tutor targets back in your deck, I don't think you'd want to play a card this bloody expensive and inefficient. Much better off with Elixir or similar cards.
Archangels light can’t cost less than 7. I do agree this is even bad at the uncommon power level. It is a common not a mythic rare. But if it cost 6 it is instantly playable in vintage mana less dredge. Allowing the deck to go off multiple times. Not something magic wants to do.
#4: Lich's Mirror. I know someone who built a deck around this card. He made it so he can always play this card every single turn after the first time he plays it, so the opponent would literally draw a card every turn and mill themselves. Cruel, but it's fun to see top tier decks scooping after about 3 Lich's Mirrors. I believe he used blink effects to replay it, but I'm not sure anymore.
You should make a top 10 anime betrayals
Ummmmmmmm 60/60 on turn 5 doesnt sound to bad?
+Kiran Nwakanma Not going to be that very often.
How would it be a 60/60? That would require a player to be at 120 life
Dylan LeSuer 3 opponents in commander would mean 120 health devided between the players at 40, meaning that you can get 60/60
malignus power is equal to half the highest life total among opponents, not the combined life total. it is generally a 20/20 in edh. i run it. it's great.
Liches mirror + channel is like a suped up version of memory jar if you are interested in losing the only friends who are willing to play casual magic with you.
It's worth noting that lux Cannon was printed in a set featuring the proliferate mechanic. The designers probably intended it to be a draft deck build around and nothing else.
I won too many games in with Oloro EDH because of Archangel's light. Your list man I don't think you actually hit the worst Mythics ever, certainly these are not
really? i run orlolo life gain prison and 16 life max isnt that appealing to me, i mean i rarley get past turn 5 or 6 without winning the game but there are so many better options
I kinda like archangels light sorta
So you're saying that you would rather die flat out than be able to have a disadvantage, but a second chance? I think lich's mirror is a good 5-drop, especially if you have nothing else to cast on that turn.
EDIT: Many of these are awesome mythics, this video is BAD. This video is so terrible, it will never even see play in EDH.
EDIT: I'm not trying to hate, Nizzahon Magic. You're a magic content creator, and that's a good thing. Just joking around.
"I think lich's mirror is a good 5-drop, especially if you have nothing else to cast on that turn." A 5-drop that does nothing to effect the board state is a terrible card, and is actively putting you behind your opponent. When Lich's Mirror ability triggers it sets you to turn 0, while your opponent is light years ahead of you on board, they just killed you after all. Seriously, think this through, if you're playing against aggro they'll just pound you for at least 5-8 a turn while you're still playing out your lands and the occasional low cost creature and removal. If you're playing against a control player (me) they're trying their hardest not to laugh as they're so far ahead on resources there is virtually nothing you'll be able to do to pull ahead. Feel free to continue playing bad cards and wonder why you keep losing, after all that is how the card triggers.
Trisket Second chance? Dude, try fighting back against someone with an established board, five mana, and has already killed you once, but do it at turn zero.
You're not getting a second chance, you're making the game longer. There's a difference.
Still. I'm not saying lich's mirror is an ideal 5-drop. All I'm saying is in the right deck, it can be good. Have a deck with artifact synergy, but is missing a 5-drop? It's okay. I'm not saying I'd play it.
You're talking to a guy who purposely uses confusing life counters so he'll survive longer XD
kidding
The thing about the lux cannon and the ugins nexus is that if your playing an artifact combo deck (which i do) they are incredibly easy to break. While this does not excuse them from being, in general, bad cards, having your commander being daretti (a gobbo who wants big stupid artifacts in the graveyard) and having a large amount of untap shenanagins makes these two cards especially useful
Minds Dilation is huge in Yidris decks, adding another source of free spells and making it really hard for opponents to keep up. Not to mention being one of the best spells to cast with cascade. It is also really strong in combination with Rashmi, Jori En, Jeleva, Mirari (artifact), Riku, Wrexial the risen deep, and more so any deck that utilizes those cards sees pretty significant value.
It does have variable value, but the fact that it exiles the card regardless of whether you cast it means that at the very least you are denying a card. In decks where you can ramp and get board presence in your first 3-4 turns, Mind's Dilation becomes a foot-on-the-throat turn 5 play that allows you to steal things your opponent wants to draw.
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When I saw Archangel’s Light on top, I actually yelled “Whoop!” in real life. Thanks!
+Glad1atoR That excited about a terrible card being #1 ? Haha
Nizzahon Magic It is impossible to comprehend how much I hate that card. It’s only surpassed by Dubious Challenge and Melira.
I have a casual Modern permanent denial Bolas deck that always maintains land and hand advantage over the opponent. In that, Descent into Madness is a fun finishing blow. You leave a large creature (or Bolas) on the board and choke out your opponent's last 3-4 lands and 1-2 cards in hand for the finish and ditch it to itself when you're ready.
Archangel's Light actually did some good work for me in Narset EDH. My graveyard got huge with all the cards I was cycling through, and getting to cast this card for free was nice. That and getting all my awesome cards back into my deck. Especially since I would usually play a card to get all lands in my deck exiled, so I could have a 100% hit rate with Narset. Gaining potentially 40 life or more really made the deck last longer, especially since Narset gets set back a lot if she does go back to the command zone and costs a ton of mana.
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Malignus + xenagos is actually really great, I've won many edh games with this combo. I yeah beyond a xenagos edh deck malignus is pretty useless
Worth noting that you keep all your Emblems when resolving Lich's Mirror, because they're not permanents.
Now suppose that you have a Teferi emblem out, and remember that the Mirror draws seven cards.
Descent into madness is fun in token generation decks, usually blue/black sprite or black/green squirrel. Then Descent becomes practically a one-sided board sweep and becomes a win condition.
It's not competitive by any means, but is a lot of fun.
Morality Shift + Archangel's Light, continuously slinky your library and graveyard.
Notably, I used Lich's Mirror all the time in mono black and B/W combo decks in edh to stack up a huge necrologia on the stack or get a full 47 using necropotence with a though vessel or spellbook on the stack. It definitely is niche, but is super insane in those scenarios.
My main man Lux Cannon made #9!
That brings me back to the days when Daily MTG was worth readimg and they did "Building on a Budget" every Wednesday or so. Their Lux Cannon brew helped me break even on a few local FNM tournaments back in Scars Standard. Good times.
I ran Magalius in standard back in the day. I forgot how I powered him up, but I loved playing him against Turbo Fog.
This was a Act of Treason and Cloudshift deck the few weeks after Avacyn Dropped.
Another wincon was to have the Boros Angel and fling Magilus at my oppoent, but I dont think I ever did that more than once.
Descent into Madness is a niche reprinting of Smokestack (a card that used to tear up vintage in the past). Saying that effect is bad when you can make token engines is ignoring past cards that have the same effect.
Some people have probably already said it, but in an Oloro EDH deck is really one of the few places you should ever see an Eternity Vessel. It cares a lot about gaining and/or stealing life and a well built Oloro can easily make Eternity Vessel worth it. I often combo it with Aetherflux Resevoir for a late game finisher if my Debt and Insanguinate didn't end it.
Gisela has a pretty memey combo with malignus. It one shots any opponent with even life and leaves the rest at 1 since its damage is doubled and its half your opponents life
I'm not upset on seeing Mind's Dilation. I only like to clarify that I use it in a Vial Smasher Deck where every spell I cast first that turn turns into damage so I like it for that reason :).
Descent into Madness is INSANE in EDH playgroups in a token heavy deck with token generators like a zombie spam deck with Empty the Pits. Your EDH playgroup will hang you after, so keep that in mind, but it is a hilarious card if you get it going. Yes, obviously if you wiff and do not get your zombie generator going, you are going to die horribly, but that is true for any elaborate combo.
I have won several games with the mirror using an aggro machine gun deck. After the mirror effect happens, it usually results in me rapidly finishing off my opponent, because I have a second chance to kill them, as well as having the high chance of getting the mirror out again
“Lich’s mirror is unplayable”
Tell that to Matt Nass in vintage with Channel 😉
Imagine though, Lux Cannon in a Tezzeret Infrastructure deck. Tens of those demons charging and firing every other turn, wiping out fields just constantly. And with Karn, Silver Golem you can create an emergency task force of 4/4's at any time.
Malignus is one of the best cards in a value-centric Riku deck. If at any point you can connect both Maligni with the same opponent's face, you knock him out 100%, which is pretty strong.
Hellcarver Demon won me several local tournaments back when it was Standard Legal.
IIRC it ran:
x4 Hellcarver Demon
X4 Warp World
x2-3 Emrakul, Aeons Torn
x4 Bogardan Hellkite
And then everything else was dedicated to massive green ramp.
Such as:
X4 Mul Daya Channelers
X4 Awakening Zone
And a bunch of Eldrazi Drone cards.
Hellcarver didn't even care about Baneslayer Angel back then, as it could still trample through or people would just let it hit on the chance that I'D whiff.
Interesting combo for Lich's Mirror could be to somehow get out Worldfire and Lich's Mirror afterwards. Put your opponent at 1 and you at 20. Load the rest of your deck with cheap burn.
The hardest part would be cheating out the Lich's Mirror, which could be accomplished with Jhoira of the Ghitu. Suspend Lich's Mirror, then play Worldfire anywhere within those 4 turns. There's also a 1-drop card for removing time counters, so you could Jhoira effect (2 mana) -> Remove 1-3 time counters from suspended Lich's Mirror, then Worldfire. If you don't want to/can't get mana ramp for whatever reason, you can suspend Worldfire the same turn as Lich's Mirror and have them trigger on the same turn. With this route, assuming you remove 1 time counter from each of them, it's only a 6 mana investment to put yourself at game start and your opponent with 1 mana and no resources.
Ideally (could start on turn 2 with proper mana base, probably)
Turn 3: Jhoira
Turn 4: Suspend Worldfire + Lich's Mirror
Turn 5: Play two Clockspinning, W+LM now at 2 time counters. Use 3 mana left over to counter anything big if needed
Turn 6: Stall for 1 turn
Turn 7: Resolve Worldfire THEN Lich's Mirror (you pick the order as you have priority), use any burn spell you have mana for.
Lich's mirror + channel + prismatic star + tendrils of darkness. You can storm out a ton of artifacts like prismatic star that draw and filter mana. Get a lich's mirror out and suddenly you are able to draw 7 cards and get 20 more life for channel.
Ilharg + Warstorm Surge + Malignus = *GAME*
I'm actually surprised Tibalt, the Fiend-Blooded never made it it to the top 2.
mind's dilation is an awesome card in EDH, and i know you said that doesn't count since it a niche situation, but pretty much any blue deck can play this and it will help
in my opinion that is
My friend loves to cheat things out, he has multiple edh decks where he does so. And he uses minds dilation to great effect. Usually finding a way to get it out on turn 3 or 4 and reaping the rewards while others are still setting up
I use eternity vessel in a deck that runs necropotence and bolas's citadel and other similar effects. It works pretty well. You just pay however much life you want and then drop a land and you basically got those effects for free. It's also especially good when. You pair it with alhamarret's archive because if your life total is lower than the charge counters and you drop a land, you actually gain life equal to twice the difference between your total and the counters. It's 100% a niche card but it can be pretty devastating with the right deck