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@@raouf2868 you know what, the tracking tip is legit one of the best tips you can give anyone who plays league, you can legit insta improve and help yourself climb if you keep your eyes on it
The inhibitor tip is a tricky one. People should keep coming to the lane to farm those minions before they reach nexus towers and start killing all the minions, from all the lanes. But, in low elo, most of the time people would be busy chasing kills.
The super minions kill your minions very quickly so it makes it impossible for the enemy to farm that lane. You can always just base and pick up large waves inside your own base losing nothing in the process, while they have to go out of the way to get every wave otherwise they just lose that gold.
@@yummy8074 yeah but you can’t control that. If you always do the right play, you have a 50-50% chance that your teammates will do the correct play and wont go 4v5. If you go with them, and your team is behind, then it means that you will be going 5v5, which you will obviously lose, so you won’t have any chance to comeback.
1. Stop overthinking objective, follow your team 2. Before 25 min let them take inhibitors 2.a let turrent die, so they don't get 300 gold, 3. Tempo over gold, focus on getting big items for bigger spikes 4. Die less, Let them make mistakes. 5. Track everyone
TheBausffs is a good example of the KDA player point. His entire gameplay is not worrying about dying, but about getting value when he does. i.e. A "Good death". Getting high value trades, getting the lane state in a favourable position etc.
A lot of his deaths are avoidable but there are times a bad death can be rewarded because sion passive gets him whole wave or kills. But ive definitely seen times he'll walk up and die and get nothing. Just a death
@@lecommenter8528 yes, there is certainly times when he also doesn't get value in death. Sion admittedly is a strange champ with his passive, it can be really strong, especially early, but there are a number of champs that completely shut it down. Teemo and any champs with point a click hard cc. Pretty much every one else best thing is to kite it out if you can, but that gives him the opportunity to sort the wave and still get value from the death.
@@Vapowub but the lane state at trading his life for objectives/pressure principal are universal concepts. They just excel on sion since he gets extra value from death.
On the KDA player thing, I also run into kinda the opposite problem. When you *know* for a fact that you're going to die, people still insist on continuing to run, instead of accepting your fate, and trying to make it at least a little useful, by doing as much damage to the enemy as you can before your inevitable death. This is something I've been flamed for multiple times. I'm not saying just accept your death in any scenario, if you have a chance of escaping, then sure go for it. But when that chance no longer exists, at least make the opponent pay as much as possible for the kill, rather than letting them have it for free.
And that's a fair way of making the opponent "pay for the kill" rather than getting it for free. But at least in those cases, you're running with a purpose, not just because you refuse to accept that you are, in fact, going to die. Which is what I see a lot of.
How does it depend on the death timer, when you "know for a fact that you're going to die"? As in, no matter what you do, you are going to die in this situation.
I often find myself turning or splitting off from my high value carry towards the end of a clearly lost fight these days (support main). If I'm clearly going to die anyway I'll do some damage, maybe even a trade if I'm lucky or I'll make them choose between securing a kill on me or chasing the high value carry, usually guaranteeing the carry get outs, or has a chance to counter with the enemy team not being able to get on the same page and splitting up.
0:07 Gold is probably the least toxic. In bronze and silver people think they know everything and get the game wrong so they flame, in gold people know the fundamentals a bit better but know they can be wrong and are not as good. I think gold players are pretty humble.
I learned tip 1 last season. I stopped FFing or giving up on my games unless someone is legitimately inting. Even if they’re bad as long as they’re not sabotaging on purpose. I’ve been down 20k gold in a match in silver and still won with better macro and positioning. People really can’t close games properly. It’s kinda mind blowing.
True, games often feel a lot worse than they are. Sometimes though even when people are trying comp diff + lead means you shouldn't waste your time imo. If you're far behind a scaling comp/snowballing comp, especially if they have a yuumi, even if they play poorly they control your side of the map and get every objective for free gold and exp starving you and theres no point. Especially if your supp is so bad they don't ward or clear vision whatsoever. Basically if the enemies win condition is easy to play out and they've met it, not worth, a fed zilean kled combo can never lose a fight however if I'm against a fed katarina and darius I'll never ff since they're pretty hard to carry on without throwing, so I know a comeback is always possible, vs a fed yi yuumi when my team has no hard cc - I'll pass and prolly should have dodged. Also you can tell how the enemy is playing if they'll let you comeback, sometimes people with leads start playing for fun but if they still play optimally then its doomed. I almost never ff too I just disagree that ffing is always bad unless inters/afks.
@@nimahanna1709 I’ve been horribly outscaled when the enemy had a 5v5 comp and I just refused to 5v5. They had Baron and Elder and still lost to us because we 1-3-1d.
@@checkthebush6500 they make it harder in instances like that, but there were still probably mistakes of your own that prevented you from winning. It’s extremely rare that you play a perfect game and still lose.
@@tbhgodrick6120 i know i did some mistakes here and there but most of it isnt really big and to blame it solely to myself even if im playing to improve is just plain stupid sure i might have done some mistakes but the blame should be on the one who inted end of discourse.
In gold and platinum, there's a large wide variety of skill in even the same divisions. You'll have some Akali one trick that plays like a Korean challenger on crack and a Yuumi one trick that plays like an NA iron player on NyQuil in the same match. People get super boosted by duo queue and then when they play by themselves they can't hang in the ELO and lose the game for their team. Especially in platinum, there are a lot of Diamond+ players playing on their smurfs. Sometimes half the lobby in my games is level 45 smurf accounts.
tbf, possibly because on one side you have the 9+ years hardstuck on that elo that are either addicted or dont care to improve at all, and on the other side, either the guy that started way below and started climbing putting into use knowledge from videos like these, or the guy that was a hardstuck and actually wanted to improve and is doing so. Even though it may seem like no big deal the things you learn from macro, they actually are, comparing two players of the same elo, one that doesnt know crap about macro, and one that at least is somewhat good and can rationalize things, in comparison its like watching a silver against a diamond.
People in low Elo legit have no understanding of just “giving” an objective. Doesn’t matter if you spam ping it or type the rationale, they won’t listen and die 2v5 to defend an inhibitor at 15 minutes.
That's so true. Or a situation where our own jungler is dead and we have zero vision on drake; What do people do? Rush in one by one and die like flies instead of just giving it up and staying alive.
Be nice to have a video specifically on techniques used for tracking. The minimap is the obvious tool, but I certainly struggle with tracking enemy jungle and when predicting. Part of this I think I spend to much time focused on what's going on in the main screen and not enough on the minimap (although getting better at that). Really need to develop a second eye for the minimap and timing it takes to path location to location. I've used the 6 second timer video a few times to help with that, but sometimes 6 seconds is an eternity in this game. So easy to miss something important in 6 seconds.
@@roy2195 This is good advice. I do that already unfortunately and also minimize the action bar which helped quite a lot with always using key bindings to level up abilities.
@@lorenzosotroppofigo1641 I'm sure that there are at least some basic techniques for improving. But yes practice as with everything is going to be the biggest factor. For example do they change the frequency that they check the mimimap? As I mentioned even consciously checking every 6 seconds can be an eternity when someone roams out of view and you didn't see which direction they left in.
don't focus on what the enemy jungler is doing but what they could do, since you'll never know for sure, and you'll eventually get a sense for which things are more likely than others. There's always an element of randomness so if they don't do what you predicted and you're thinking properly, it could be a mistake on their part so rejoice! Some things are champion specific, but you can also adapt to peoples in-game playstyles. For example, if fiddlesticks is level 4/5, you probably don't have to worry about a counter gank since he' be trying to get 6 from jg camps, and if your bot blew summoners to a gank its susceptible to a regank so its best to hover since the enemy jg wants to capitalize on that. For other champs like nunu/lee sin (gank focused), as soon as scuttles spawn they're looking for multiple ganks in river so if you're in one river you auto know they're in the other or a brush. People have to usually path the same way unless they spent a long time fighting (for their first 3 cycles), since if they run to the side of the map they just fought, no camps will be up. What really helped me track is having more confidence to invade and placing pinks on enemy buffs early, mostly if they have weak champs that can't contest the invade or jg showed other side. On some champs I place a pink in river brush lvl 1 just so I can track when they get to scuttle (best against champs who want to invade). Don't be afraid to tell your laners where to ward if you see they have a window! I regularly ask laners to check my camps for an invade if its possible and they have prio, really helps my tracking and pathing (a duo you can rely on never hurts here). TL;DR use information you have, increase it with vision, think of whats in the enemy jglers best interest (adapt to champ and player, takes practice), think in terms of possibilities not singular absolutes and dw if you're wrong. Best way to learn how enemy champs should play is to learn how to play them optimally yourself or do a bit of online research into countertips, I kept losing to evelynne steamrolling me mid game so I had to learn that you're supposed to dog her pre-6 and ward her camps to track post 6 off Reddit.
Mental is the difference between a silver/gold player and a plat/diamond player for 75% of people in silver and gold. One of the most frustrating hardstuck mindsets of silver and gold players is a two sided problem. They have the mindset of “I died one time/my laner solos me one time, they have advantage, I can’t ever recover because they are ahead, I’m giving up gg” and the flip side of that is when they go up 1/0 or 2/0 after solo killing their laner, that same thought process of “1 kill games over” causes them to play like they can’t lose, make mistakes, and blow their leads. I see it all the time in my games and with my friends. If you think the game is over because you lost lane, you will have the same mindset when you win lane, and you will throw a lot of games where you are ahead, and you lose every game your behind, leading you to be hard stuck.
Ego is even more important than a win. Had a toplane last game with "idc - i split". Told the team to create pressure on the other side (as support, luckily they listened). Got 2 inhibs. Toplane blaffing "idc and why are you even talking???!!!" My response: "Because I lost to many games NOT talking" Gold Elo is crazy. Sad to say stuck in it currently. Aiming higher for next season :D Plat Elo is like Gold - just with the fact they look down on gold Elo. Nothing more :D
I just watched a Skill-Capped video about how you should make the right choices even if your team flames you. Now I’m here where the first tip is group with your team and help them instead of contesting the objective or making the right choice on your own. WHICH IS IT
its been a while, but im gonna respond anyway. Well, in the example they showed Hector had NO WAY of contesting baron alone, so he really coudnt do the "right play" by himself, get it? Its different from not taking a bad fight and go farm instead - he HAD TO do the bad call, because there was no other option
"People know it's bad to take an early inhib." I've played league on and off for 10 years now having been back to it for 2 months now. I've never heard that before, so it makes sense it's not apparent to everyone.
5:33 A fairly well understood practice among famous and successful military strategists throughout history was to not interrupt one's foe, while they are making a mistake.
I've heard the don't take inhibs too early tip a bunch of times, and let enemies take inhibs before 25 minutes before, and it never seems to go well. the main thing is your inhib point and your tempo point are in contention. that early in the game very few champions can shove super waves without staying in the same spot. you always get a man disadvantage on the map, leading to bad fights or them taking dragons and Barons. no Baron is not too hard to take with a numbers advantage, especially given how much healing a lot of champions have in their kits these days. I think the inhib tip is a high elo thing. yes you get more resources, but you lose tempo. and the champs that can clear super waves I feel like get played more high elo, like ryze, azir, casseopeia, even ap bruisers. when you have a split pusher like sion, trynd, yorick, fiora name it that gets fed and takes an inhib they run down every other lane taking towers while no one can stop them. if you can weather the storm until your inhib comes back and don't lose much else sure, but then the timing matters. if Baron and dragon are down already sure taking an inhib might be a bad idea, but oftentimes taking inhibs gives you pressure to spread your lead. The only time I think taking inhibs early is bad is if you realistically don't have that big a lead. if you barely won top and got a herald push while the enemy team fight for dragon its probably not good to take an inhib, both cause the objective is down and you aren't ahead enough to spread your lead yet. But in most games when letting your inhib die is an option? you just lose everything on the map and bleed as much gold as you get from the waves.
You mentioned how a lot of champs can just start going to other lanes to push their lead once they’re done with top. You’re saying how if they took the inhib, then you’re going to be stuck farming (this is assuming you’re the one that’s behind and not the other way around). Honestly, what are the odds that you’ll be able to stop the fed enemy top laner from making these plays if you weren’t stuck farming the super minions? Odds are, you’ll be sitting in someone’s lane while they don’t want you to be there. If they were fed enough to take the inhib before 25 minutes, you’re probably to weak to stop then even if you were there.
@@mora11do Fed top laner (usually the one that takes the inhib) means you cant really contest baron rift or dragon 4v5, so those are free. Also If they are ahead they can go to the other side lane, and if no one could stop them top they cant stop them bot. Meanwhile your team plays 4v3 in mid, slowly chunking enemies and chipping away at tower. Alternatively they could take all the jungle with the numbers advantage, again reducing the gold youd get from the super wave. My point is also about the fact to clear a super wave you tend to need your strong waveclear champs to do it, specifically dps mages. ADCs don't have good waveclear that early, tanks and bruisers dont tend to clear it fast or healthily in my experience, so it's generally either your mid laner or specific champions in other roles. without your waveclear champ to contest the aram you dont defend towers, or at the very least you cant defend both mid and bot at the same time. So yes, I do think the champ that has to clear the super minions would be better elsewhere, because without them you generally can't stop pushes on your remaining towers. When youre in the position where youre behind and think losing an inhib would be good you have to consider if your team can actually hold under other towers in other lanes without numbers or their best waveclear champs. Often times I find most comps can't do it, and it only takes applying the right pressure with an early inhib down to win the game for the team that took it.
That’s the point, if you’re in a game where inhibit is up you already have to send someone to stop them from taking it. If you just let three push top and send 5 between mid and bot, you could get t1-t2 towers or baron/drag for one inhib
I was being laughed at so many times for telling my team not to take inhib early. The overall average League community doesn't know many other correct decisions, it's mindboggling.
Here's what I think is messed up about league. I agree with you guys when you say "if you want to win consistently, you have to do the more boring things (freezing, playing around waves)," and I feel like that in it of itself showcases league of legends' biggest issue. It's literally been said; if you want to win, you don't get to have fun.
the only reason its not "fun" is because your not just running in and trying to kill the opponents all the time. league isnt an fps, if you want to win thinking more strategically is more likely help you instead of relying purely on mechanics.
It's the same thing with every competive game. You can't just run around and hunt for kills. You have to play with good strategy and use your time to prepare for a winning fight.
And the most ironic part is that winning is the funnest part about league (most of the time at least). So in order to have fun by winning, you have to stop having fun by playing correctly
agree but i guess it's the genre, however we have battlerite without minions but idk why it doesnt so popular and people prefer (aswell me) to play moba with minions
On top of that, League is a strategy game and devs keep releasing champs that attract people who are more interested in perma-fighting as some Asian ninjas or samurais.
I feel like the fact that Hector's team is sometimes losing despite him being in that game is very telling about how random these games actually are. You can improve your chances but in the end losing queue gets you sometimes.
Bro this challenger player having more than 3 deaths its already a loss for me when I play in gold, that's how hard it is to carry with leagues intentional 50 win%(stuck) and getting mvp every time I win. Legit makes me wanna quit.
bro, i can say this shit works, i m a bronze stuck, and using this mind set just saved a game. started something like 2vs8 followed by very bad score because jungler wasnt so good and bot lane lost and fed a jhin 7/0. i was akali mid 1/2 against ahiri, i won few fights but now i just ended winning so hard 23/6/8 and 46k damage, enemy jhin top damage with 48k, my mate second damage 38k. I can say i did very good plays but i m also sure that thinking about this video stuff made me gain important score. first time in my life i said GG after a game on league of legends. GG
don't worry climbing is possible I recently demoted from plat 3 to gold 3 so I'm trying to go back just play what you know and improve at that champion/s
I think you need to take into account the mental game in low elo. A lost tower makes the person rage and lose control of their emotions when they lose lane. Its irrational but true. Cant down play the mental game.
What makes it so toxic is that you keep bringing challengers to gold, making it impossible to climb. All the challenger smurf in gold elo. Maybe stop then see how people climb out.
Saying that tracking every enemy takes very little effort is not true imo. At gold a lot of things such as csing aren't completely automatic and therefore requires some amount of attention. However I do agree that it's a game changer if you can learn to implement it!
Is this the same for when the enemy team has a hull breaker constantly pushing? Should we just let them take the inhib if it’s a sion, or yorick with hull breaker?!?
Here is a recap of the five concepts: 1. Don't freak out over objectives. 2. Think before you take inhibitors. 3. Tempo over gold. 4. Have KDA player mentality. 5. Track everone.
Early inhib take is wrong for low ELO though. It means one team has always one player less because he is clearing the wave. So the team of courses engages 4v5 fights. It's like you guys don't actually play in low ELO.
Tip#1 from Hector in this video is the opposite of recent tip#1 Hector telling us to ignore our gold teammates that don't understand the value of objective and play by ourselves ignoring them flaming us 🤔🤔🤔
@@westpower9917 Yes. I think that's the point where I'm failing a lot: following bad strategies. There are many times where my team would engage in a fight where they need me, but 1) it's not a valuable fight and 2) it's not usually a good time (I'm freezing, or dealing with a huge wave, or denying farm, etc); I don't go, they die, and the outcome could have been positive for us, even if it was just a random 2v2 or 3v3.
The only instance where I've found benefit in taking an early inhib is when I can buff the super minion with Hullbreaker. In that instance I just guide it in and watch them flail trying to kill what is essentially a whole Ornn in stats, lol.
I feel like a lot of this stuff is simple and relatively obvious in a lot of ways. The difficult part is actually being able to execute it and carrying an hinting team. Doesn't matter who you are you won't carry a game against a 7-0 Yorick top with a 7-0 khazix jungle when your mid is down 2 kills and 40 cs at 15 minutes. You could be the best player in the world but the chances of you being able to 1v9 are infinitesimally small, doing this consistency is impossible.
As a jungle main. I focus Rifts. People freak out over early drakes, or dont take FREE and EASY objectives over like, 1 drake. Often you can push or if the enemy team has made dragons their win con, just TAKE THE FREE BARON - especially if behind. Its risk vs reward, Often ALL REWARD and NO risk. If I am behind I dont contest, and sometimes I try to convince my team to set a trap and make picks. In general I do need to go with the flow a bit more and focus drakes more, but got lane is a shit show, rarely with vision or prio. Taking an ihib early is not so much the inhib, as it is, the enemy team may be pressured on their side of lane and the CS is like delivered to them and as you get closer to your base, the smaller area to walk to farm and defend. I do need to work on buying more often. When my pink, and smite is consumed, I run around no items. On Shaco AP I find even my dark seal is dumb strong.. The KDA thing is why I hate that unkillable token thing. people play selfish as shit. I am pretty good at tracking people.
It's often times hilarious when I take a whole quadrant, turret, rift, another turret, and the enemy team types in all chat "thanks for the free drake". Mother fucker do you know what free means? what is wrong with people.
it's funny you say this because this same channel has a video titled "Why rift heralds can actually lose you the game". It's an interesting watch for sure
@@spectrademonica You should probably stop taking skill-capped as the end all and be all of macro guides, It's dependent on the champion you play, and the state of the game. You should also rewatch that video for the nuance, because that is the important information on that video. I
5:58 it's really a life lesson for all the kids and seniors out there If you want to be great at something, it's very unlikely that you will enjoy it all the time, but you should keep going nevertheless
Maybe people give their lives to defend the inhib because they got reported, pinged and flamed in the last 100 games for not doing it. The same for not committing to suicide fights and so on.
So basically: Don't contest Baron, let enemies take inhib, don't take towers with Lulu cuz u share gold,don't die and be better than everyone else. Got it.
Yes but this is a challenger player wining a game which was not that bad in gold ELO...let's say youre a plat player...this is going to take you much more games....and that's the issue...climbing is posible and with games you climb....but at the end it takes too many games...
@@rogersallen9901 Nah he does not struggle, because most likely he wins almost every game....but yes...unless youre many divisions above in skill....it takes a lot of games to climb
@@yuumijungle548 I disagree. At the low ranks, that’s very true, a lot of people would be a higher rank if they literally just played more. But once you actually start climbing, you get to the point where you don’t keep winning just because you play more, your skill actually does become the issue
@@yuumijungle548 I think maybe instead they should just increase lp gains/losses, that way wins are more meaningful, so you won’t have to play as much to reach your “real rank”
I have been in gold on wild rift for maybe three days and my god I have not won a single game I have been able to get like a fifteen win streak in silver lmao
yeah.. my issue is, if i see my team doing the wrong thing, i'll just go by myself and do the "right thing" ALONE, cause it tilts me to do theoretically wrong things. i should watch less YT
Good strategies feeling bad to do imo is something that should be changed and is a flaw of league. THe most optimal plays shouldnt be the most boring one.
The video is not practical. The majority of people I've played with in gold may not necessarily know how to use Baron but they always have someone on their team smurfing that recommends using Baron properly to close a game out. & Most of the time the team listens to the fed shot caller. Finding a team in gold that doesn't have someone smurfing is impossible nowadays. That situation hector found himself in happens more in silver. It's not easily reproducible in gold elo and you know what I say is true.
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@@raouf2868 you know what, the tracking tip is legit one of the best tips you can give anyone who plays league, you can legit insta improve and help yourself climb if you keep your eyes on it
The inhibitor tip is a tricky one. People should keep coming to the lane to farm those minions before they reach nexus towers and start killing all the minions, from all the lanes. But, in low elo, most of the time people would be busy chasing kills.
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@KIDAS then they will go 4v5.
The super minions kill your minions very quickly so it makes it impossible for the enemy to farm that lane. You can always just base and pick up large waves inside your own base losing nothing in the process, while they have to go out of the way to get every wave otherwise they just lose that gold.
@@yummy8074 yeah but you can’t control that. If you always do the right play, you have a 50-50% chance that your teammates will do the correct play and wont go 4v5. If you go with them, and your team is behind, then it means that you will be going 5v5, which you will obviously lose, so you won’t have any chance to comeback.
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1. Stop overthinking objective, follow your team
2. Before 25 min let them take inhibitors
2.a let turrent die, so they don't get 300 gold,
3. Tempo over gold, focus on getting big items for bigger spikes
4. Die less, Let them make mistakes.
5. Track everyone
TheBausffs is a good example of the KDA player point. His entire gameplay is not worrying about dying, but about getting value when he does. i.e. A "Good death". Getting high value trades, getting the lane state in a favourable position etc.
A lot of his deaths are avoidable but there are times a bad death can be rewarded because sion passive gets him whole wave or kills. But ive definitely seen times he'll walk up and die and get nothing. Just a death
@@lecommenter8528 yes, there is certainly times when he also doesn't get value in death. Sion admittedly is a strange champ with his passive, it can be really strong, especially early, but there are a number of champs that completely shut it down. Teemo and any champs with point a click hard cc. Pretty much every one else best thing is to kite it out if you can, but that gives him the opportunity to sort the wave and still get value from the death.
TheBaus plays Sion, i believe that Sion has a "unique" concept towards dying on lane and stuff tho
@@Vapowub but the lane state at trading his life for objectives/pressure principal are universal concepts. They just excel on sion since he gets extra value from death.
@@nimahanna1709 tbh legit its also why whenever he plays karthus he somehow is always 1v9, its the very same thing too
On the KDA player thing, I also run into kinda the opposite problem.
When you *know* for a fact that you're going to die, people still insist on continuing to run, instead of accepting your fate, and trying to make it at least a little useful, by doing as much damage to the enemy as you can before your inevitable death.
This is something I've been flamed for multiple times. I'm not saying just accept your death in any scenario, if you have a chance of escaping, then sure go for it. But when that chance no longer exists, at least make the opponent pay as much as possible for the kill, rather than letting them have it for free.
Sometimes I run away to pull them off a team fight or to make them lose time on an objective/give time for my teammates to respawn
And that's a fair way of making the opponent "pay for the kill" rather than getting it for free. But at least in those cases, you're running with a purpose, not just because you refuse to accept that you are, in fact, going to die. Which is what I see a lot of.
Eh, it depends on the death timer you're gonna get
How does it depend on the death timer, when you "know for a fact that you're going to die"?
As in, no matter what you do, you are going to die in this situation.
I often find myself turning or splitting off from my high value carry towards the end of a clearly lost fight these days (support main). If I'm clearly going to die anyway I'll do some damage, maybe even a trade if I'm lucky or I'll make them choose between securing a kill on me or chasing the high value carry, usually guaranteeing the carry get outs, or has a chance to counter with the enemy team not being able to get on the same page and splitting up.
0:07 Gold is probably the least toxic. In bronze and silver people think they know everything and get the game wrong so they flame, in gold people know the fundamentals a bit better but know they can be wrong and are not as good. I think gold players are pretty humble.
I learned tip 1 last season. I stopped FFing or giving up on my games unless someone is legitimately inting. Even if they’re bad as long as they’re not sabotaging on purpose. I’ve been down 20k gold in a match in silver and still won with better macro and positioning. People really can’t close games properly. It’s kinda mind blowing.
True, games often feel a lot worse than they are. Sometimes though even when people are trying comp diff + lead means you shouldn't waste your time imo. If you're far behind a scaling comp/snowballing comp, especially if they have a yuumi, even if they play poorly they control your side of the map and get every objective for free gold and exp starving you and theres no point. Especially if your supp is so bad they don't ward or clear vision whatsoever. Basically if the enemies win condition is easy to play out and they've met it, not worth, a fed zilean kled combo can never lose a fight however if I'm against a fed katarina and darius I'll never ff since they're pretty hard to carry on without throwing, so I know a comeback is always possible, vs a fed yi yuumi when my team has no hard cc - I'll pass and prolly should have dodged. Also you can tell how the enemy is playing if they'll let you comeback, sometimes people with leads start playing for fun but if they still play optimally then its doomed. I almost never ff too I just disagree that ffing is always bad unless inters/afks.
@@nimahanna1709 I’ve been horribly outscaled when the enemy had a 5v5 comp and I just refused to 5v5. They had Baron and Elder and still lost to us because we 1-3-1d.
tell that to my support that was soft inting in the most important times
@@checkthebush6500 they make it harder in instances like that, but there were still probably mistakes of your own that prevented you from winning. It’s extremely rare that you play a perfect game and still lose.
@@tbhgodrick6120 i know i did some mistakes here and there but most of it isnt really big and to blame it solely to myself even if im playing to improve is just plain stupid sure i might have done some mistakes but the blame should be on the one who inted end of discourse.
9:30 "It wouldn't be a guide with Hector if we didn't have to stomach and eye-burning play" 😂😂😂 doing him dirty
I just suscribed some days ago and I'm really glad for these guides. Really enjoying them
You guys do such an amazing work. Thank you so much !
In gold and platinum, there's a large wide variety of skill in even the same divisions. You'll have some Akali one trick that plays like a Korean challenger on crack and a Yuumi one trick that plays like an NA iron player on NyQuil in the same match. People get super boosted by duo queue and then when they play by themselves they can't hang in the ELO and lose the game for their team. Especially in platinum, there are a lot of Diamond+ players playing on their smurfs. Sometimes half the lobby in my games is level 45 smurf accounts.
"on crack" makes zero sense cause crack isnt something good u morßn
tbf, possibly because on one side you have the 9+ years hardstuck on that elo that are either addicted or dont care to improve at all, and on the other side, either the guy that started way below and started climbing putting into use knowledge from videos like these, or the guy that was a hardstuck and actually wanted to improve and is doing so. Even though it may seem like no big deal the things you learn from macro, they actually are, comparing two players of the same elo, one that doesnt know crap about macro, and one that at least is somewhat good and can rationalize things, in comparison its like watching a silver against a diamond.
People in low Elo legit have no understanding of just “giving” an objective. Doesn’t matter if you spam ping it or type the rationale, they won’t listen and die 2v5 to defend an inhibitor at 15 minutes.
That's so true. Or a situation where our own jungler is dead and we have zero vision on drake; What do people do? Rush in one by one and die like flies instead of just giving it up and staying alive.
Be nice to have a video specifically on techniques used for tracking. The minimap is the obvious tool, but I certainly struggle with tracking enemy jungle and when predicting. Part of this I think I spend to much time focused on what's going on in the main screen and not enough on the minimap (although getting better at that). Really need to develop a second eye for the minimap and timing it takes to path location to location.
I've used the 6 second timer video a few times to help with that, but sometimes 6 seconds is an eternity in this game. So easy to miss something important in 6 seconds.
One thing that helped me was to increase the mini map size :)
There are no techniques for that, only practice.
It's legit only timing
@@roy2195 This is good advice. I do that already unfortunately and also minimize the action bar which helped quite a lot with always using key bindings to level up abilities.
@@lorenzosotroppofigo1641 I'm sure that there are at least some basic techniques for improving. But yes practice as with everything is going to be the biggest factor.
For example do they change the frequency that they check the mimimap? As I mentioned even consciously checking every 6 seconds can be an eternity when someone roams out of view and you didn't see which direction they left in.
don't focus on what the enemy jungler is doing but what they could do, since you'll never know for sure, and you'll eventually get a sense for which things are more likely than others. There's always an element of randomness so if they don't do what you predicted and you're thinking properly, it could be a mistake on their part so rejoice! Some things are champion specific, but you can also adapt to peoples in-game playstyles. For example, if fiddlesticks is level 4/5, you probably don't have to worry about a counter gank since he' be trying to get 6 from jg camps, and if your bot blew summoners to a gank its susceptible to a regank so its best to hover since the enemy jg wants to capitalize on that. For other champs like nunu/lee sin (gank focused), as soon as scuttles spawn they're looking for multiple ganks in river so if you're in one river you auto know they're in the other or a brush. People have to usually path the same way unless they spent a long time fighting (for their first 3 cycles), since if they run to the side of the map they just fought, no camps will be up. What really helped me track is having more confidence to invade and placing pinks on enemy buffs early, mostly if they have weak champs that can't contest the invade or jg showed other side. On some champs I place a pink in river brush lvl 1 just so I can track when they get to scuttle (best against champs who want to invade).
Don't be afraid to tell your laners where to ward if you see they have a window! I regularly ask laners to check my camps for an invade if its possible and they have prio, really helps my tracking and pathing (a duo you can rely on never hurts here).
TL;DR use information you have, increase it with vision, think of whats in the enemy jglers best interest (adapt to champ and player, takes practice), think in terms of possibilities not singular absolutes and dw if you're wrong. Best way to learn how enemy champs should play is to learn how to play them optimally yourself or do a bit of online research into countertips, I kept losing to evelynne steamrolling me mid game so I had to learn that you're supposed to dog her pre-6 and ward her camps to track post 6 off Reddit.
12:03 aphelios saying "can we ff, i'm bored" says alot about low elo as a whole xd
Mental is the difference between a silver/gold player and a plat/diamond player for 75% of people in silver and gold.
One of the most frustrating hardstuck mindsets of silver and gold players is a two sided problem.
They have the mindset of “I died one time/my laner solos me one time, they have advantage, I can’t ever recover because they are ahead, I’m giving up gg” and the flip side of that is when they go up 1/0 or 2/0 after solo killing their laner, that same thought process of “1 kill games over” causes them to play like they can’t lose, make mistakes, and blow their leads. I see it all the time in my games and with my friends. If you think the game is over because you lost lane, you will have the same mindset when you win lane, and you will throw a lot of games where you are ahead, and you lose every game your behind, leading you to be hard stuck.
Gold Elo where egos are bigger than skill
Wait till you reach plat
Ego is even more important than a win. Had a toplane last game with "idc - i split".
Told the team to create pressure on the other side (as support, luckily they listened). Got 2 inhibs.
Toplane blaffing "idc and why are you even talking???!!!"
My response: "Because I lost to many games NOT talking"
Gold Elo is crazy. Sad to say stuck in it currently. Aiming higher for next season :D
Plat Elo is like Gold - just with the fact they look down on gold Elo. Nothing more :D
@@Phleggman There's a huge difference between low Plat and high Plat though.
@@khazms Then, of course, I apologize for the generalization
Gold elo is the most chill elo. It only gets worse.
I just watched a Skill-Capped video about how you should make the right choices even if your team flames you. Now I’m here where the first tip is group with your team and help them instead of contesting the objective or making the right choice on your own. WHICH IS IT
its been a while, but im gonna respond anyway. Well, in the example they showed Hector had NO WAY of contesting baron alone, so he really coudnt do the "right play" by himself, get it? Its different from not taking a bad fight and go farm instead - he HAD TO do the bad call, because there was no other option
exactly this lol in another video they swear by the entire opposite thing lol i guess neither are correct idk :DDD
Never had a problem climbing out of gold but somehow s1-s2 is challenging my mental
"People know it's bad to take an early inhib." I've played league on and off for 10 years now having been back to it for 2 months now. I've never heard that before, so it makes sense it's not apparent to everyone.
11:13 finally found the reason why i kept demoting but getting kills as fed draven is kinda fun
5:33 A fairly well understood practice among famous and successful military strategists throughout history was to not interrupt one's foe, while they are making a mistake.
I've heard the don't take inhibs too early tip a bunch of times, and let enemies take inhibs before 25 minutes before, and it never seems to go well.
the main thing is your inhib point and your tempo point are in contention. that early in the game very few champions can shove super waves without staying in the same spot. you always get a man disadvantage on the map, leading to bad fights or them taking dragons and Barons. no Baron is not too hard to take with a numbers advantage, especially given how much healing a lot of champions have in their kits these days.
I think the inhib tip is a high elo thing. yes you get more resources, but you lose tempo. and the champs that can clear super waves I feel like get played more high elo, like ryze, azir, casseopeia, even ap bruisers. when you have a split pusher like sion, trynd, yorick, fiora name it that gets fed and takes an inhib they run down every other lane taking towers while no one can stop them. if you can weather the storm until your inhib comes back and don't lose much else sure, but then the timing matters. if Baron and dragon are down already sure taking an inhib might be a bad idea, but oftentimes taking inhibs gives you pressure to spread your lead.
The only time I think taking inhibs early is bad is if you realistically don't have that big a lead. if you barely won top and got a herald push while the enemy team fight for dragon its probably not good to take an inhib, both cause the objective is down and you aren't ahead enough to spread your lead yet. But in most games when letting your inhib die is an option? you just lose everything on the map and bleed as much gold as you get from the waves.
Agreed
You mentioned how a lot of champs can just start going to other lanes to push their lead once they’re done with top. You’re saying how if they took the inhib, then you’re going to be stuck farming (this is assuming you’re the one that’s behind and not the other way around). Honestly, what are the odds that you’ll be able to stop the fed enemy top laner from making these plays if you weren’t stuck farming the super minions? Odds are, you’ll be sitting in someone’s lane while they don’t want you to be there. If they were fed enough to take the inhib before 25 minutes, you’re probably to weak to stop then even if you were there.
@@mora11do good point 😮 I didn't think about that
@@mora11do Fed top laner (usually the one that takes the inhib) means you cant really contest baron rift or dragon 4v5, so those are free. Also If they are ahead they can go to the other side lane, and if no one could stop them top they cant stop them bot. Meanwhile your team plays 4v3 in mid, slowly chunking enemies and chipping away at tower. Alternatively they could take all the jungle with the numbers advantage, again reducing the gold youd get from the super wave.
My point is also about the fact to clear a super wave you tend to need your strong waveclear champs to do it, specifically dps mages. ADCs don't have good waveclear that early, tanks and bruisers dont tend to clear it fast or healthily in my experience, so it's generally either your mid laner or specific champions in other roles. without your waveclear champ to contest the aram you dont defend towers, or at the very least you cant defend both mid and bot at the same time.
So yes, I do think the champ that has to clear the super minions would be better elsewhere, because without them you generally can't stop pushes on your remaining towers.
When youre in the position where youre behind and think losing an inhib would be good you have to consider if your team can actually hold under other towers in other lanes without numbers or their best waveclear champs. Often times I find most comps can't do it, and it only takes applying the right pressure with an early inhib down to win the game for the team that took it.
That’s the point, if you’re in a game where inhibit is up you already have to send someone to stop them from taking it. If you just let three push top and send 5 between mid and bot, you could get t1-t2 towers or baron/drag for one inhib
I was being laughed at so many times for telling my team not to take inhib early. The overall average League community doesn't know many other correct decisions, it's mindboggling.
I love how my friends tell me 15 min/early inhibitors are bad. Everytime I try to explain to them that it's free money they don't believe it.
smurfs ruin games for everyone
Tips 1. Don't freak out over objectives. 2. Think before you take inhibitors. 3. Tempo over gold. 4. KDA Player mentality. 5. Track Everyone.
I saw a graves who recall everytime he has 1k gold or reaching his item spike. He is always strong for the next fight.
Here's what I think is messed up about league. I agree with you guys when you say "if you want to win consistently, you have to do the more boring things (freezing, playing around waves)," and I feel like that in it of itself showcases league of legends' biggest issue. It's literally been said; if you want to win, you don't get to have fun.
the only reason its not "fun" is because your not just running in and trying to kill the opponents all the time. league isnt an fps, if you want to win thinking more strategically is more likely help you instead of relying purely on mechanics.
It's the same thing with every competive game. You can't just run around and hunt for kills. You have to play with good strategy and use your time to prepare for a winning fight.
And the most ironic part is that winning is the funnest part about league (most of the time at least). So in order to have fun by winning, you have to stop having fun by playing correctly
agree but i guess it's the genre, however we have battlerite without minions but idk why it doesnt so popular and people prefer (aswell me) to play moba with minions
On top of that, League is a strategy game and devs keep releasing champs that attract people who are more interested in perma-fighting as some Asian ninjas or samurais.
Best lesson to teach a hard stuck gold player is /mute all every game
I feel like the fact that Hector's team is sometimes losing despite him being in that game is very telling about how random these games actually are. You can improve your chances but in the end losing queue gets you sometimes.
I climb to gold just for the free skin then quit ranked. its amazing how many people think that gold is high elo the way they flame others
I quit playing ranked once I hit gold as well, but I do also have to say just by being in gold 4 your in the top like 60/70% of the player base.
@@mrmoosestuffable i guess thats the mentality he pointed lmao
Bro this challenger player having more than 3 deaths its already a loss for me when I play in gold, that's how hard it is to carry with leagues intentional 50 win%(stuck) and getting mvp every time I win. Legit makes me wanna quit.
bro, i can say this shit works, i m a bronze stuck, and using this mind set just saved a game. started something like 2vs8 followed by very bad score because jungler wasnt so good and bot lane lost and fed a jhin 7/0. i was akali mid 1/2 against ahiri, i won few fights but now i just ended winning so hard 23/6/8 and 46k damage, enemy jhin top damage with 48k, my mate second damage 38k. I can say i did very good plays but i m also sure that thinking about this video stuff made me gain important score. first time in my life i said GG after a game on league of legends.
GG
Good tips thank you, as a support main i value your lesson as i can
One game i was the only one fed and when they were taking top inhib and I said let them take it we can farm it my whole team ffed and said x9 me
I would love a video about rotations, like when to gank as a jungler, when to rotate as a top laner etc, if you have one already that'd be great
Gold is actually so hard to climb out of, i've been hardstuck gold 4 and 3 for like 3 months.
don't worry climbing is possible I recently demoted from plat 3 to gold 3 so I'm trying to go back just play what you know and improve at that champion/s
It's not unusual to stay in gold for the entire year. It can take a whole season or the next season to start climbing.
@@khazms been a multi season gold stuck. Just like rav
Buddy. You have not seen plat-d2. Most cancer elo in the world.
been stuck there for 7 seasons
This video made me realize "KDA player" is about actual KDA, not the KDA skin line lmao
The best part is when you are both doing the best on your bad team and also being flamed. Comedy gold.
I have this bug where my laners are 2-10 as a support and I'm somehow meant to be better than two of their players to even MAYBE win.
I think you need to take into account the mental game in low elo. A lost tower makes the person rage and lose control of their emotions when they lose lane. Its irrational but true. Cant down play the mental game.
This video is helpfull. Gotta keep the format!
Oh Yes Needed This Thank You guys.
The good thing about losing your inhib early is that it comes back sooner
Big brain strats
So glad to get out of gold, way too many people think they are pros and once I started muting all I climbed outta gold
a KDA player is my Varus adc who was 12/2 when we lost the game and did less damage than the enemy Nami...
What makes it so toxic is that you keep bringing challengers to gold, making it impossible to climb. All the challenger smurf in gold elo. Maybe stop then see how people climb out.
You guys saw that?? Zilian using R on Mundo when Mundo is almost full health.. you know this is very loew elo xD
Thank you for your sacrifices Hector
im from gold and i´ve NEVER heard about early inhibs are bad, this is news to me
Sometimes teammates eventually funnel way too many kills to the enemy to the point where you can't even kill them anymore with your safe lead :/
Saying that tracking every enemy takes very little effort is not true imo. At gold a lot of things such as csing aren't completely automatic and therefore requires some amount of attention. However I do agree that it's a game changer if you can learn to implement it!
Is this the same for when the enemy team has a hull breaker constantly pushing? Should we just let them take the inhib if it’s a sion, or yorick with hull breaker?!?
Here is a recap of the five concepts:
1. Don't freak out over objectives.
2. Think before you take inhibitors.
3. Tempo over gold.
4. Have KDA player mentality.
5. Track everone.
Early inhib take is wrong for low ELO though. It means one team has always one player less because he is clearing the wave. So the team of courses engages 4v5 fights. It's like you guys don't actually play in low ELO.
BIIIIIG people 100% need to rid the kda stigma I'm tired of trash teammates!
Tip#1 from Hector in this video is the opposite of recent tip#1 Hector telling us to ignore our gold teammates that don't understand the value of objective and play by ourselves ignoring them flaming us 🤔🤔🤔
That Darius had Prowler's Claw.
Another great video! Keep it up!🎉❤
Does the skillcapped full refund work during pre season lol
Yeah doesnt work in plat when i get blamed for not ganking at min 6 and they start inting like 5 games in a row
What happens to T1 turret gold if minions take it?
it gets shared with all players I think
@@pyranya8469 wrong, no one gets the 250 gold, everyone gets that 50 gold over whole map anyway, but no one gets the 250
I've never heard the term kda player before. Although teamchat is usually off
I'm permastuck in Gold. There are some games that I just don't know what else to do to turn the trainwreck into a win.
@@westpower9917 Yes. I think that's the point where I'm failing a lot: following bad strategies. There are many times where my team would engage in a fight where they need me, but 1) it's not a valuable fight and 2) it's not usually a good time (I'm freezing, or dealing with a huge wave, or denying farm, etc); I don't go, they die, and the outcome could have been positive for us, even if it was just a random 2v2 or 3v3.
I mean if we are in low elo we are not so able to track everyone, many times not even our laners
The only instance where I've found benefit in taking an early inhib is when I can buff the super minion with Hullbreaker. In that instance I just guide it in and watch them flail trying to kill what is essentially a whole Ornn in stats, lol.
It's pretty hard to climb when ur top or mid just wanna constantly fight without Thier jungler and die and keep feeding in gold . Ngl
If my T1 and T2 turrets have less than 5% to 10% hp. I'll just let em go.
I feel like a lot of this stuff is simple and relatively obvious in a lot of ways. The difficult part is actually being able to execute it and carrying an hinting team. Doesn't matter who you are you won't carry a game against a 7-0 Yorick top with a 7-0 khazix jungle when your mid is down 2 kills and 40 cs at 15 minutes. You could be the best player in the world but the chances of you being able to 1v9 are infinitesimally small, doing this consistency is impossible.
Bullying Hector is part of the appeal of the channel
As a jungle main. I focus Rifts. People freak out over early drakes, or dont take FREE and EASY objectives over like, 1 drake. Often you can push or if the enemy team has made dragons their win con, just TAKE THE FREE BARON - especially if behind. Its risk vs reward, Often ALL REWARD and NO risk. If I am behind I dont contest, and sometimes I try to convince my team to set a trap and make picks. In general I do need to go with the flow a bit more and focus drakes more, but got lane is a shit show, rarely with vision or prio.
Taking an ihib early is not so much the inhib, as it is, the enemy team may be pressured on their side of lane and the CS is like delivered to them and as you get closer to your base, the smaller area to walk to farm and defend. I do need to work on buying more often. When my pink, and smite is consumed, I run around no items. On Shaco AP I find even my dark seal is dumb strong..
The KDA thing is why I hate that unkillable token thing. people play selfish as shit. I am pretty good at tracking people.
It's often times hilarious when I take a whole quadrant, turret, rift, another turret, and the enemy team types in all chat "thanks for the free drake". Mother fucker do you know what free means? what is wrong with people.
it's funny you say this because this same channel has a video titled "Why rift heralds can actually lose you the game". It's an interesting watch for sure
@@spectrademonica You should probably stop taking skill-capped as the end all and be all of macro guides, It's dependent on the champion you play, and the state of the game.
You should also rewatch that video for the nuance, because that is the important information on that video.
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5:58 it's really a life lesson for all the kids and seniors out there
If you want to be great at something, it's very unlikely that you will enjoy it all the time, but you should keep going nevertheless
hector sounds like he needs to get some fresh air. go outside hector
Spanish support on Skill Capped?
Huh... I never knew early inhibs were bad. The more you know
in gold junglers think they are good which makes them worse then silver junglers. My honest opinion after climbing from silver to gold.
so about first game, isnt it JUST luck that the throwing talon was on the opposite side?!!
This elo have so many people that are just bored and don't care.
Maybe people give their lives to defend the inhib because they got reported, pinged and flamed in the last 100 games for not doing it. The same for not committing to suicide fights and so on.
I have actually learned so much thank you 🙏 ill be plat tomorrow night im caliing it.
im having a crush on hector lol
Me 2 lmao
Idk about toxic. Compared to other thanks at least. Gold/low plat is elo heaven.
That guy sounds like Napoleon Dynamite's brother 🤣🤣🤣
basically to win in low elo, you just fight. all the time.
Climb through all of silver thinking man when I get to gold finally players will be decent. Nope
So basically: Don't contest Baron, let enemies take inhib, don't take towers with Lulu cuz u share gold,don't die and be better than everyone else. Got it.
Yes but this is a challenger player wining a game which was not that bad in gold ELO...let's say youre a plat player...this is going to take you much more games....and that's the issue...climbing is posible and with games you climb....but at the end it takes too many games...
If this challenger struggles in gold, what's the hope for the average player
@@rogersallen9901 Nah he does not struggle, because most likely he wins almost every game....but yes...unless youre many divisions above in skill....it takes a lot of games to climb
@@yuumijungle548 I disagree. At the low ranks, that’s very true, a lot of people would be a higher rank if they literally just played more. But once you actually start climbing, you get to the point where you don’t keep winning just because you play more, your skill actually does become the issue
@@mora11do cant imagine myself climbing playing game 2 hours or less per day tbh, skill is dissapearing with time
@@yuumijungle548 I think maybe instead they should just increase lp gains/losses, that way wins are more meaningful, so you won’t have to play as much to reach your “real rank”
Im gold and i didnt know early inhibs were bad. now i do lol
I have been in gold on wild rift for maybe three days and my god I have not won a single game
I have been able to get like a fifteen win streak in silver lmao
yeah.. my issue is, if i see my team doing the wrong thing, i'll just go by myself and do the "right thing" ALONE, cause it tilts me to do theoretically wrong things. i should watch less YT
Doesn t fill like it sworking
I honestly find platinum easier than gold.
I love how Skill Capped always tells us low elo players are dumb and toxic lmao
Yas Hunty, Werk
Me who is the yorik in the first game HEY IM ON TV MOM
Probably the oly yorik in gold
Dying gives the opposing team gold and experience. That'll be $350.
Good strategies feeling bad to do imo is something that should be changed and is a flaw of league.
THe most optimal plays shouldnt be the most boring one.
How a challenger is inting In low elo ?
at minutew 11 WTF ar eu saying.... u are at a winning play even if he plays bad he stil gets it...
The video is not practical.
The majority of people I've played with in gold may not necessarily know how to use Baron but they always have someone on their team smurfing that recommends using Baron properly to close a game out. & Most of the time the team listens to the fed shot caller.
Finding a team in gold that doesn't have someone smurfing is impossible nowadays.
That situation hector found himself in happens more in silver. It's not easily reproducible in gold elo and you know what I say is true.
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