Hilariously I've been called a "Duginist" online too many times to count, after the first few times I had to look up who they were talking about and now years later this is the first time I've heard the guy speak. No idea he could speak english with such a neutral accent, very rare for native russian speakers. Ridiculously he has been painted as some radical mastermind and Rasputinian figure. Dude is just an outspoken academic, hardly a radical activist or otherwise danger to society.
Mind you they even assassinated his Journalist Daughter with a hope to silence him, and it couldn't work... The portrait behind him is of his daughter Dugina...
The US is all about storytelling. They found an obscure academic with a small following outside of Russia. They turned him into "Putin's brain." Thats how the US works. They invent reality. And the population swallows anything.
Unhealthy societies are what happens, over time, when political sociopaths are afforded adult authority in a society. A political sociopath is someone who is willing to do harm to another for the sake of opportunity, social capital, hierarchy, profit and/or pleasure. Its a class of behavioral choices, not a diagnosis. Democracy is the measure of participants and preferences within that group of participants. Democracy does not measure the quality of consensus, even though the term is used as if it were a consensus. Only consensus building of all good faith actors will create a healthy society. The moment we decide to create a healthy/holistic society is the moment we embrace the principle that the collective learning curve holds a collective responsibility to that collective learning curve as a criteria for being a good faith actor in that society, and vice versa. What we have now is what happens, over time, when political sociopaths are afforded adult authority in a society. A political sociopath is someone who is willing to do harm to another for the sake of opportunity, social capital, hierarchy, profit and/or pleasure. Only a reduction in our tolerance of bad faith and political sociopathy will move us forward. The wealth disparity will self correct when the political sociopaths are disempowered. Meritocracy is a form of hierarchy that can only be implemented, without political sociopathy, if chosen by consensus, with rigid frames of purpose, tactical and strategic limitations, time frames and resource allocation, including a human resource consensus - keeping in mind that the learning curve belongs to the whole of the society. Profit seeking and competition are not necessary in provisioning at the currency issuer level (federal congressional). All federal spending is newly created currency and stimulates some part of the private sector economy. There are plenty of scientists and support staff qualified workers who would love to be employed by the government or a worker owned cooperative with a federal contract to research and make pharma products without the investment capital sociopaths injecting their world domination agenda into our healthcare system and provisioning of other necessities.
You said more there in the discussion of sociopathy than Dugin said in 30 minutes about modernity and choice. Liberal and secular institutions and ideologies like traditional institutions and their rhetorical "holistic" hierarchies ( including the Catholic Church) are all susceptible to being captured by sociopathy. Pre-modernity was not free of sociopathy. I have observed over decades how sociopathy creeps into otherwise benign sounding advocacy of whatever sort without the awareness of the person practicing the sociopathy. Pre-modernity was not ideal including it's spirituality which in tribalistic religious practice tends also to narcissism. The first half of this talk is much too facil. I can't help but suspect that Dugin is using modernity to obscure particular conformity biases of his own. The opposite of individualistic is not holistic but conformist. Every one has to find a balance for themselves. Once conformity is forced, and it tends to be, it is no longer a choice. Dugin glosses over way too much complexity and diversity of human experience. There is no good that comes from "holistic" conformity to a sociopathic culture. Conformity, much the essence of traditionalism, is its own can of worms and tends to short circuit independent and critical thought that might in itself be holistic outside of the culturally dominant holistic model.
On a completely different topic, I wondered what DK-RU correspondent, Jens Jorgen Nielsen, was up to and if you could interview him now that the Danes are furiously painting targets upon themselves. Shortly before the SMO, he told the Schiller Inst that he was trying to establish a DK-RU rapport project.
I'm the 57th gender now Which means an old lady is celibate now and dgnaf about gender That place would totally understand me in babushka mode Kids around here are barking up the wrong tree Ironies
Why Ukraine behave in such way? Maybe because Ukraine is under attack and Ukrainians are systemically oppressed by Russians and Russian supremacism? And this isn't something new. Historically Ukrainians also were marginalized by Russians in Russian Empire and Soviet Union. When Ukraine became a distinct state in 1991 people expected that now Ukrainians and Russians would coexist as equals but Putin pushes hardline anti-ukrainian jingoistic politics. And Dugins are part of this aggressive anti-ukrainian strategy.
As an Ukrainian, I want to say that I am ashamed of what my state did to Daria Dugina. I am also ashamed of the fact that we once built a large empire that included territories in 2 continents and banned the Russian language and culture in this empire. I am ashamed that when a socialist state appeared on the ruins of this empire, we killed 5 million Russians through famine, which is now recognized as genocide by many countries of the world. I am ashamed that now Ukraine occupied 20% of Russian territories. We are the real oppressors and the Russians are the real victims.
@@xxvxxv5588 oh, you are HILLARIOUS... and so very clever to boot! Yes!!! there's nothing better than digging up ancient grievances from countries that don't exist anymore and from perpetrators who are long dead! It's working oh so well with blacks and Native Americans in the US & Canada so why not export it all over the world! Victimhood, resentment, and revenge is the way to peace!!! LOL!
It’s nice that as Ukrainien you verbalize this truth. This is the biggest catastrophe after World War II, which was imposed from the West via Russia and Ukraine, Brothers ./. Brothers, - is due to the perverse politics of the West.
Wow I love that you got Dugin. My pea brain has a hard time comprehending his messages sometimes but I so value the eastern-ness of his thought. It’s a real shame he’s so slandered the way he is.
We just received a college level lecture about Modernity and yet all colleges in the West will never have such discussions that were had in this video. Great video/lecture!
Darya! Ahhh my heart aches. Kingdom of Heaven, beautiful child. Stay strong dear Aleksandar. Our good Lord is the God of the living not of the dead. Victory will be ours.
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No. This is mostly Roman Catholic propaganda. It sounds plausible because modern protestants have become quite individualistic. Because they are western liberals and don't know it. But the Reformers like Calvin were not individualists and had a robust belief in the one true holy catholic orthodox church and tremendous respect for the church fathers.
@@ripvanwinkle1819 propaganda is often sincerely believed, and sometimes even internalized by its targets. The important point is, it is demonstrably not accurate in this case. Protestantism was not in any way individualistic.
@@ripvanwinkle1819 the printing press allowed each individual layman to study the Bible, not to have their own special interpretation as online Catholic (and now Orthodox) apologists like to insinuate. Protestants still had Confessions (Creeds basically, often including the ancient Creeds).
Italy depends on the U.S., so you can deliver a speech like Hollywood on a serious subject of national security. However, Russia is threatened by NATO expansion and the Axis Forces' World War III objectives. Putin "needs, then, to be a fox recognize traps, and a lion to frighten away wolves" --Machiavelli (Italian philosopher).
A Norwegian and a Russian sitting down and engaging in intellectual, rational dialogue. -The recipe for thousand years of mutual peace between our countries. ❤
I think the explanations in this episode are a little too heavy to really comprehend without prior knowledge, although reading a written explanation would make it easier as one could look at the dictionary or make other searches in order to better understand the points that have been made here. However I agree with many things that was said. Hoping all the people of the countries in Eurasia will individually and socially demonstrate the respect and tolerance that is required for their future. But one thing is for sure, murdering the family members of anyone based on their opinions or even affiliations, is a criminal, despicable and cowered act of barbarism.
My problem is that within a state, modernity facilitates the freedom to believe whatever nonsense you want, however a pre-modern state tends to impose compliance with the state. I object to the concept of mandatory nonsense.
@@brunischling9680 Just expand the top box where you have about the channel. There you will find a button under heading Transcript labeled "Show Transcript". Pops up on the left side above suggested vids.
Professor Diesen often makes sensible points, but the tolerance for fascism and anti-humanist reaction evinced in the choice to promote Dugin will do much to discredit them. Rejecting Western imperialism does not entail rejecting the Enlightenment, democracy and human rights and all progress achieved since the Renaissance and heading straight back to the Middle Ages as fascists like Dugin want. On the contrary, the only reason to reject Western imperialism is precisely that it contradicts democracy and human rights.
EXCELLENT DISCUSSION DR. DUGIN- IT IS CLEAR THAT Russia has entered a postmodern period, with postmodernism becoming a central part of Russian literary criticism and culture:
34:31 People are in love with progress. Dugin’s Fourth political philosophy runs up against this tendency. Recall, the famous passage from St. Augustine’s Confessions in which Saint Augustine states “You have made us for yourself, O Lord, and our heart is restless until it rests in you.”
A well expounded view of multifarious political idiologies and civilizations. Demonstrating perenial schism in an variety of osmosis schools of thought and political discourses.
28:42 Diesen is also saying it as well as Dugin, that we have the ability to make choices and therefore, reject the motion of liberalism in societies. I actually wonder how true that is? Dugin’s preamble illustrated how historically there is a steady “rejection” process going on to liberate people from anything “solid”. The liberal agenda, in order to be manifested, requires believing we have a choice to choose conservative solutions. What if Liberals to continue their generational transformation of people toward the liberating end of humanity provide fake, superficial choices while the whole underlying process continues onwards? Sounds demonic.
"When the preservation of an individual is inconsistent with the safety of a multitude, nothing can be more just than that the many should be preferred to the one." Who said it?: A famous holist. A famous pre-modern. An anti-liberal?? Look it up!
The West adopted Augustine's theology which he borrowed from neoplatonism which starts with the God's essence and the presupposition that it is Absolutely simple. This led to nominalism and eventually nihilism. It saturates everything in West, the forms of government with its three branches etc. The East never went this way byt kept the monarchial forn of the Trinity which starts its theology with the person of the Father. The slavic people never had this problem with neoplatonic "ghosts" as they became literate first with Orthodox christianity (Saints Cyril and Methodius). Language is part of thinking so they slavic thought is christian Orthodox. In eastern theology everything is not collapsed into one in God's essence but there is distinction in God's Energies that is His operations. This is crucial for how we think about everything. Look around you in the West everything is dialectics such as Left/Right etc.
About what Prof. Dugin said about modernity denying pre-modernity, let me quote a phrase used a couple of times by Kamala Harris: "Unburdened by what has been." It may be just my impression, but that is eerily portentous of what her handlers may have trained her to do in the future.
This is brilliant as far as it goes. This "fourth" way, finding inspiration in the past, can be seen in family constellations, teacher (psychedelics), and other traditions and practices related to shamanism. And the dharma/true yoga, is eternal. Meanwhile people tend to cherry pick to optimize cool experiences, rather than morality, which we could say by definition includes an element of balance.
You have to distinquish between the freedom of indifference which ends in the right of the strongest and the other kind of freedom. But what is the other kind of freedom Hume is writing about?
What Mr Dughin does not understand is the roots of occidental nihilism. This is a grid to understand the spiritual aspects of what is at stake. I would be enchanted to share with him my point of view and learn from him. Let’s have a conversation !
The problem with Eurasianism is that everyone who talks about it falls over themselves in their haste to add that the west is amazing and must be looked up to.
Christianity is with us for two millennia regardless of if one is believer or not we are were we are thanks to that, now we are replacing this with destructive ideas and we will end up with nihilism and maybe even worse 🏴
Very good scetch of the history of modernity from Ockham and nominalism. The consequence is Der Mann ohne Eigenschaften and the belief that everybody can create themselves out of nothing, erase the created identity and endlessly repeat the creation out nothing and erasing.
By the way: the first version of nominalism is the sophist Protagoras with his homo mensura statement. What kind of human being is the protagorian human being, which are the measure of all chrematon. It's without substance, or to be presise when writing about P: we cannot know what common names mean, because they refer to something that is beyond perception. His theory of knowledge is: knowledge is perception. - The analysis of the statement is in "Theatetos". Why not ask: which of the five senses gives the knowledge that perception is knowledge? After the answer you can continue the reasoning.
I'll just say that the effort to learn from other systems is useful but whatever it is we do with that, that will be transformed by the conditions of the time and also I'd like to see us not miss the elephant in the room that is to say how empire works today which is by debt yet at the same time debt is also useful to enable investments in a more democratic manner, be it a rather lacking form of that today with US investors having the most privileged access to doing investment today and the one to invest is the one to own later after all. But so democratize investment more not less, be it while introducing some more collective forms of working together but so it would be a changed version of whatever we had in the past.
You don't get to put "decentralized investment" no matter how crude it is today back into the box. Is my sense of that. And if you did succeed you would learn in the span of decades or centuries that you really can't. People want to build when there's time to build and even the most basic of promises open up space for investment as we know it with the IOUs and later fiat. Now I'm not saying that that's what the guest is trying to do but so what we can learn from the past and bring to the present, it will be changed in rather profound ways and I don't know in what ways. Side note I have my disagreements with Steve Keen but his modelling of the business cycle is lightweight and superb in how it points to some problematic emergent properties on the macro level and so I also see that looking at the individual and ignoring everything else is a bad idea. But so the obliviousness to study of that macro level has been a matter of political/elite inclination I'd like to point out.
How can humans move away from humanity,ultimate result of liberalism? We are humans. That is the reality. PS I have no idea about philosophy,but the above statement(at 23:05) seems illogical. PPS I greatly appreciate Glen Deisen and all his respected guests.
To Be Or Not To Be... The West may consider that as a strategic maximum approaches, incremental moves become finer, and the master must seek clues twenty moves forward into the endgame... But an amateur knows nothing of such subtleties, and typically instead forces himself upon the position, in beast-like fashion. This is often a signal to the master that he should draw the opponent onto the tight-rope of decision, as the tactical spirits now favor the master.
A Russian philosopher who is accused of being a fascist by Wikipedia. He’s very critical of the west. Agree or disagree, there’s a lot of value in just listening to what he says.
Dugin harks back to the hierarchical authoritarian past. He argues for different nations to make their own choice of the form of hierarchy they adopt, but not for the individuals living within each nation to have any rights to determine these. Basically, he assumes that everyone is going to be happy and comfortable in the culture he or she has been raised in. Although, clearly, he wasn't. He only sees cultural change (e.g. modernism) as being something that was only ever imposed from the outside. Which means that he hankers after a static culture, and he can't really explain where change (e.g. modernism) ever came from. The fact that he is even ready to embrace the caste system acts as a massive clear warning. It's an extreme version of 'cultural relativism', which, ironically, was a product of the 'modernism' that he dislikes so much. Notice also, that Dugin doesn't seem to want to go very far back in time culturally. Not as far as the non-Christian pagan culture. And he also omits from his short list of Greek philosophies the Epicurean atheist school. He's not keen on us choosing the atheist option, and in fact Western cultures, including the 'modernists' amazingly, also largely ignored the Epicureans, despit most of 'modernism' is trackable straight back to the Epicurean ideas recorded by the Roman, Lucretius. Maybe they would never have been given the description 'modernist' if this ancient connection had been noticed. Perhaps the atheistic aspect made Epicurianism too modern for the early modernists, or maybe too dangerous given the habit of old-school Christians (like Dugin ?) to violently suppress heretics. So clearly, for Russia he would go back the Orthodox Christian period. As a man, and as someone who regards Pride parades as "totalitarian", I suppose this may not pose any personal problems for him. n.b. All the gobbledygook at the beginning about 'nominalism' and 'idealism', is just a preamble to make us think that he is super intelligent and well read, but it's irrelevant.
"but not for the individuals living within each nation to have any rights to determine these" where did he say that or which things he said do imply this? with implication I really mean the logical relation not some kind of arbitrary association, nor "guilt" by omission. obviously he had a biggest picture presentation. "He only sees cultural change (e.g. modernism) as being something that was only ever imposed from the outside." this is also not true. for instance, the conceptual development within liberalism he outlined is a counter example. I am not saying that he is right about anything he said (although I tend to agree with many, but not all things), but it is completely boring to misleadingly characterize his views, attribute to him things he hasn't asserted or is logically committed to, and turn his views into a straw man and then to complain...
@@Xeptr @Xeptr Answer this, how can he think that the caste system is an acceptable example of his 4th politics and at the same time you say that he envisages the people in each country will choose their nation's culture ? I mean which people in such a culture would be choosing to have a caste system ?? Only the ones in the higher/richer castes. For him to recognise that some changes in modernist thinking have appeared organically is a correct observation of yours, I concede that. But these changes are within the framework of modernism/liberalism. The problem with modernism and liberalism is that imperialist capitalist countries have had no real interest in democracy, democratic rights or the material interests of ordinary working people anywhere. All round the world they bully other countries and their own citizens with lawfare, trade wars and ultimately violence. We don't need to go back to caste systems, monarchies or serfdom to solve these issues.
@@potrahsel4195 Again, I am not saying that I agree with everything he said. However, he allows for genuine choice btw modernism and pre-modernism, and also allows for exploration of whatever is within the fourth theory which is a hell of a lot. Moreover, he allows for genuine disagreement. That would be something like tolerance without universalism. The rejection of universalism goes hand-in-hand with that there is no "we" and no legitimacy in "what we need is ..." talk. You may disagree with that which is fine of course. I was just pointing out that you attributed to him some stuff which he doesn't hold. Regarding change of societal structures (or however you want to call the relevant entity), I think it is fair to say that without a portion of the elite wanting to go in this or that direction it virtually never occurs. But there are a lot of other factors too. Some of which you echo, others which were not mentioned so far. I have no interest to put a positive theory forward here myself. Just wanted to clarify some conceptual things. I hope this helps! ; )
@@Xeptr Thanks for your reasoned reply. I think our views may not be so different. We both put value on tolerance for example. I'm just more sceptical of Dugin, so I'm suspicious of the subtexts in what he says. I suppose he's a product of his time, and the time now is Russia finding/leading the way independently. A major critique of the corrupt "democracy" implemented by the West is an essential part of this. Keep well Xeptr👍
"i can't listen to Dugin's ramblings," You should try because what he is saying is not "rambling" and is very, very important. It helps if you've read Euripides, Plato, Aristotle, Dostoevsky, Tolstoi, Marx, the Pope speaking 'ex cathedra,' Confucius, Voltaire and dozens of other foundational writings which he does not explain but expects you to know. I've read enough of foundational literature to follow him pretty well. His conclusion is amusing: 'Just say no' (to the West). Lol! He has a point.
Liberte, Egalite, FRATERNITE. Thank you Glenn! I believe this was originally the motto of the protestant Huguenots before it was coopted by the French revolution. It is true that protestantism has become individualistic in America, but the old protestant denominations were not like this. Their confessions acknowledge a single holy catholic and orthodox church. But many protestants do not know this, and THAT is the problem.
If Russia is against globalism how come the Russian centralbank took part in the recent WEF cyberpolygon? Also China will most likely deliver the technology for digital ID's. So whats really going on🤔
Thanks for inviting Dugin. His ideas go to the root of issues within the West, in Russia, and in geopolitics today.
THEY killed his girl, enough said...my highest respect to Mr. Dugin.
And they thought they would destroy his spirit and he is still standing tall
US taxpayer money in action
@@kgapholasegadimanebethuel3873 wrong. he was their target. they switched cars at the last minute.
Liberalism, communism, globalism, transgenderism and all other godless ideologies stem from the Bible. Who is the "God" of the Liberals? It's Liber.
@@jeffhicks8428 and killed bis daughter
"Dignity and the power to say NO"... Excellent analysis! Thank you for posting this.
Hilariously I've been called a "Duginist" online too many times to count, after the first few times I had to look up who they were talking about and now years later this is the first time I've heard the guy speak. No idea he could speak english with such a neutral accent, very rare for native russian speakers. Ridiculously he has been painted as some radical mastermind and Rasputinian figure. Dude is just an outspoken academic, hardly a radical activist or otherwise danger to society.
Everyone who does not embrace the dear leader (European politicians) must be shut down or ridiculed.
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Soooooo Ttrue! Thanks for verbalizing.
Mind you they even assassinated his Journalist Daughter with a hope to silence him, and it couldn't work...
The portrait behind him is of his daughter Dugina...
The US is all about storytelling. They found an obscure academic with a small following outside of Russia. They turned him into "Putin's brain." Thats how the US works. They invent reality. And the population swallows anything.
Have you read him? Some of his opinions (not all) are outlandish to say the least. Thankfully he's more of a meme than an actual influencer.
Excellent to have Aleksandr on you channel.
Cape Town. South Africa.
Wonderful guest going really deep into our challenges today!!!
Very interesting. Thanks Mr. Dugin and Mr. Diesen.
Thank you both.
Amazing interview Glenn !
Unhealthy societies are what happens, over time, when political sociopaths are afforded adult authority in a society. A political sociopath is someone who is willing to do harm to another for the sake of opportunity, social capital, hierarchy, profit and/or pleasure. Its a class of behavioral choices, not a diagnosis.
Democracy is the measure of participants and preferences within that group of participants. Democracy does not measure the quality of consensus, even though the term is used as if it were a consensus. Only consensus building of all good faith actors will create a healthy society.
The moment we decide to create a healthy/holistic society is the moment we embrace the principle that the collective learning curve holds a collective responsibility to that collective learning curve as a criteria for being a good faith actor in that society, and vice versa.
What we have now is what happens, over time, when political sociopaths are afforded adult authority in a society. A political sociopath is someone who is willing to do harm to another for the sake of opportunity, social capital, hierarchy, profit and/or pleasure. Only a reduction in our tolerance of bad faith and political sociopathy will move us forward. The wealth disparity will self correct when the political sociopaths are disempowered.
Meritocracy is a form of hierarchy that can only be implemented, without political sociopathy, if chosen by consensus, with rigid frames of purpose, tactical and strategic limitations, time frames and resource allocation, including a human resource consensus - keeping in mind that the learning curve belongs to the whole of the society.
Profit seeking and competition are not necessary in provisioning at the currency issuer level (federal congressional). All federal spending is newly created currency and stimulates some part of the private sector economy. There are plenty of scientists and support staff qualified workers who would love to be employed by the government or a worker owned cooperative with a federal contract to research and make pharma products without the investment capital sociopaths injecting their world domination agenda into our healthcare system and provisioning of other necessities.
You said more there in the discussion of sociopathy than Dugin said in 30 minutes about modernity and choice. Liberal and secular institutions and ideologies like traditional institutions and their rhetorical "holistic" hierarchies ( including the Catholic Church) are all susceptible to being captured by sociopathy. Pre-modernity was not free of sociopathy. I have observed over decades how sociopathy creeps into otherwise benign sounding advocacy of whatever sort without the awareness of the person practicing the sociopathy. Pre-modernity was not ideal including it's spirituality which in tribalistic religious practice tends also to narcissism. The first half of this talk is much too facil. I can't help but suspect that Dugin is using modernity to obscure particular conformity biases of his own. The opposite of individualistic is not holistic but conformist. Every one has to find a balance for themselves. Once conformity is forced, and it tends to be, it is no longer a choice. Dugin glosses over way too much complexity and diversity of human experience. There is no good that comes from "holistic" conformity to a sociopathic culture. Conformity, much the essence of traditionalism, is its own can of worms and tends to short circuit independent and critical thought that might in itself be holistic outside of the culturally dominant holistic model.
Post-modernity is modernity ratcheted up to the current insanity.
Whoa!
On a completely different topic, I wondered what DK-RU correspondent, Jens Jorgen Nielsen, was up to and if you could interview him now that the Danes are furiously painting targets upon themselves.
Shortly before the SMO, he told the Schiller Inst that he was trying to establish a DK-RU rapport project.
Id love to see a debate between Dugin and francis fukoyama.
They have debated, although the debate was questionably moderated. Look up Competing Ideologies by TVO Today
I should add the debate is from 2015 so they're certainly due for a rematch!
I wonder how Professor Dugin would respond to Jean Gebser's work on the Integral.
I'm the 57th gender now
Which means an old lady is celibate now and dgnaf about gender
That place would totally understand me in babushka mode
Kids around here are barking up the wrong tree
Ironies
Careful, Icarus.
Mr Dugin, why did you marry your first wife? From what I've read....
I dont think we should judge people’s personal lives
I like Dugin but the polemicist isn’t the best for analyzing the practicalities of geopolitics.
Ukraine has committed many acts of terrorism (car bombs and other forms of assassination). Darya Dugina (journalist) R.I.P.
The Crocus hall attack was also orchestrated by ukraine.They did it through proxies ofc.
Why Ukraine behave in such way? Maybe because Ukraine is under attack and Ukrainians are systemically oppressed by Russians and Russian supremacism? And this isn't something new. Historically Ukrainians also were marginalized by Russians in Russian Empire and Soviet Union. When Ukraine became a distinct state in 1991 people expected that now Ukrainians and Russians would coexist as equals but Putin pushes hardline anti-ukrainian jingoistic politics. And Dugins are part of this aggressive anti-ukrainian strategy.
As an Ukrainian, I want to say that I am ashamed of what my state did to Daria Dugina. I am also ashamed of the fact that we once built a large empire that included territories in 2 continents and banned the Russian language and culture in this empire. I am ashamed that when a socialist state appeared on the ruins of this empire, we killed 5 million Russians through famine, which is now recognized as genocide by many countries of the world. I am ashamed that now Ukraine occupied 20% of Russian territories. We are the real oppressors and the Russians are the real victims.
@@xxvxxv5588 oh, you are HILLARIOUS... and so very clever to boot! Yes!!! there's nothing better than digging up ancient grievances from countries that don't exist anymore and from perpetrators who are long dead! It's working oh so well with blacks and Native Americans in the US & Canada so why not export it all over the world! Victimhood, resentment, and revenge is the way to peace!!! LOL!
It’s nice that as Ukrainien you verbalize this truth. This is the biggest catastrophe after World War II, which was imposed from the West via Russia and Ukraine, Brothers ./. Brothers, - is due to the perverse politics of the West.
Love brilliant humanist Professer Dugin, God Bless you and Bless Russia, our last hope to save humanity.
If Russia is the last hope, then all hopes are lost.
Wow I love that you got Dugin. My pea brain has a hard time comprehending his messages sometimes but I so value the eastern-ness of his thought. It’s a real shame he’s so slandered the way he is.
They don't want his ideas been spread in the west cause it doesn't serve the corporations that run the west!
Literally the most western Russian that isn't in government.
Nice surprise. Thank you Glenn.
We just received a college level lecture about Modernity and yet all colleges in the West will never have such discussions that were had in this video. Great video/lecture!
Both fascinating and enlightening, looking forward to many more of Mr. Dugin discussion/interview.
Darya! Ahhh my heart aches. Kingdom of Heaven, beautiful child. Stay strong dear Aleksandar. Our good Lord is the God of the living not of the dead. Victory will be ours.
Excellent choice of your guests Dr. diesen
Mr.Dugin wow amazing blessings on him from Canada
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What opportunities are there in the market, and how do I profit from it?
You can make a lot of money from the market regardless of whether it strengthens or crashes. The key is to be well positioned.
I would really like to know how this actually works.
All you need is a good capital and the service of a professional broker, with those your investment will most certainly produce high yields.
Огоооо, круто! Дугин это хорошо!
🌃🌊Dugin-Diesen interview -- sign me up!🌠🌛
You both are Legends!!
Thank you Glenn!!!
This is never discussed, maybe on purpose,but much of the sophistry and errors of the " modern world" is directly linked to the reformation.
No. This is mostly Roman Catholic propaganda. It sounds plausible because modern protestants have become quite individualistic. Because they are western liberals and don't know it. But the Reformers like Calvin were not individualists and had a robust belief in the one true holy catholic orthodox church and tremendous respect for the church fathers.
@@andyjones1982 propaganda? Lol okay sure bud
@@ripvanwinkle1819 propaganda is often sincerely believed, and sometimes even internalized by its targets. The important point is, it is demonstrably not accurate in this case. Protestantism was not in any way individualistic.
@@ripvanwinkle1819 the printing press allowed each individual layman to study the Bible, not to have their own special interpretation as online Catholic (and now Orthodox) apologists like to insinuate. Protestants still had Confessions (Creeds basically, often including the ancient Creeds).
Respect To Alexander Dugin ! Great man ,Great Russian , with pure genius, filled with knowledge wisdom.
Long Live Russia!
Long Live All Russians!
Italy depends on the U.S., so you can deliver a speech like Hollywood on a serious subject of national security. However, Russia is threatened by NATO expansion and the Axis Forces' World War III objectives. Putin "needs, then, to be a fox recognize traps, and a lion to frighten away wolves" --Machiavelli (Italian philosopher).
Sending love and respect to the greatest living philosopher of our time 🫡
Im sorry for your lost 😞🙏 rest in peace with angels mr dugin for memory of darina dugina ❤ ☦️🌹
Great discussion gentleman 👍👊👊👊
The sad emptiness of a European pseudo-intellectual in geopolitical matters but an expert on social media ...and it is not the Russian! LOL!
Worthy of admiration to take on discussing the complex topic in english, foreign from his mother tounge. Allowing us to understand reasoning.
It’s sad this poor, old man’s daughter was murdered. Mr. Dugin is a simple academic, not a military man or politician.
Brilliant......a voice of clarity amidst all the confusion and and ignorance! I hope we'll see and hear more of him! Thank you!
A Norwegian and a Russian sitting down and engaging in intellectual, rational dialogue. -The recipe for thousand years of mutual peace between our countries. ❤
Mr Dugin, you are beyond human nature. God bless. Glenn, thank you for everything you do for us.
I think the explanations in this episode are a little too heavy to really comprehend without prior knowledge, although reading a written explanation would make it easier as one could look at the dictionary or make other searches in order to better understand the points that have been made here.
However I agree with many things that was said.
Hoping all the people of the countries in Eurasia will individually and socially demonstrate the respect and tolerance that is required for their future.
But one thing is for sure, murdering the family members of anyone based on their opinions or even affiliations, is a criminal, despicable and cowered act of barbarism.
The highest form of injustice is trying to make the unequal, equal… Aristotle
My problem is that within a state, modernity facilitates the freedom to believe whatever nonsense you want, however a pre-modern state tends to impose compliance with the state. I object to the concept of mandatory nonsense.
SUPERB-THANKS FROM IRELAND-INSPIRATIONAL
Daria Dugina never forget 🙏
Stay strong Mr. Dugin
" Global Majority for PEACE"
Sounds like the philosophy of Cyrus the Great of Medes and Persians.
Thank you Gentlemen.
Great guest.
Good to have the transcript; though it could be better...
I cannot find the transcript. I find it hard to listen toDugin and would love some visual support. How do I get to it?
@@brunischling9680 Just expand the top box where you have about the channel. There you will find a button under heading Transcript labeled "Show Transcript". Pops up on the left side above suggested vids.
Professor Diesen often makes sensible points, but the tolerance for fascism and anti-humanist reaction evinced in the choice to promote Dugin will do much to discredit them. Rejecting Western imperialism does not entail rejecting the Enlightenment, democracy and human rights and all progress achieved since the Renaissance and heading straight back to the Middle Ages as fascists like Dugin want. On the contrary, the only reason to reject Western imperialism is precisely that it contradicts democracy and human rights.
these two men are stuck in the Middle Ages! the professor should be embarrassed, but he won't be, he is a russia rep.
WHERE IS THE POPE FROM ROME???? Why he keeps silent and doesn't condemn this on going human grinder in so called Ukraine war ?????
EXCELLENT DISCUSSION DR. DUGIN- IT IS CLEAR THAT Russia has entered a postmodern period, with postmodernism becoming a central part of Russian literary criticism and culture:
34:31 People are in love with progress. Dugin’s Fourth political philosophy runs up against this tendency. Recall, the famous passage from St. Augustine’s Confessions in which Saint Augustine states “You have made us for yourself, O Lord, and our heart is restless until it rests in you.”
26:49 What Dugin is saying simply, is in rejecting Liberalism and Modernism, one is rejecting self-destruction.
A well expounded view of multifarious political idiologies and civilizations. Demonstrating perenial schism in an variety of osmosis schools of thought and political discourses.
28:42 Diesen is also saying it as well as Dugin, that we have the ability to make choices and therefore, reject the motion of liberalism in societies. I actually wonder how true that is? Dugin’s preamble illustrated how historically there is a steady “rejection” process going on to liberate people from anything “solid”. The liberal agenda, in order to be manifested, requires believing we have a choice to choose conservative solutions. What if Liberals to continue their generational transformation of people toward the liberating end of humanity provide fake, superficial choices while the whole underlying process continues onwards? Sounds demonic.
"When the preservation of an individual is inconsistent with the safety of a multitude, nothing can be more just than that the many should be preferred to the one."
Who said it?:
A famous holist.
A famous pre-modern.
An anti-liberal??
Look it up!
Careful. This channel about to get DD'd. Also, I'm impressed with his English.
The West adopted Augustine's theology which he borrowed from neoplatonism which starts with the God's essence and the presupposition that it is Absolutely simple. This led to nominalism and eventually nihilism. It saturates everything in West, the forms of government with its three branches etc. The East never went this way byt kept the monarchial forn of the Trinity which starts its theology with the person of the Father. The slavic people never had this problem with neoplatonic "ghosts" as they became literate first with Orthodox christianity (Saints Cyril and Methodius). Language is part of thinking so they slavic thought is christian Orthodox. In eastern theology everything is not collapsed into one in God's essence but there is distinction in God's Energies that is His operations. This is crucial for how we think about everything. Look around you in the West everything is dialectics such as Left/Right etc.
About what Prof. Dugin said about modernity denying pre-modernity, let me quote a phrase used a couple of times by Kamala Harris: "Unburdened by what has been." It may be just my impression, but that is eerily portentous of what her handlers may have trained her to do in the future.
Beware YT is apparently removing "uncomfortable" channels.
One of the rare podcasts that deserves and needs to be listened to again to understand the many concepts and relationships that mr. Dugin presents.
This is brilliant as far as it goes. This "fourth" way, finding inspiration in the past, can be seen in family constellations, teacher (psychedelics), and other traditions and practices related to shamanism. And the dharma/true yoga, is eternal.
Meanwhile people tend to cherry pick to optimize cool experiences, rather than morality, which we could say by definition includes an element of balance.
You have to distinquish between the freedom of indifference which ends in the right of the strongest and the other kind of freedom. But what is the other kind of freedom Hume is writing about?
What Mr Dughin does not understand is the roots of occidental nihilism.
This is a grid to understand the spiritual aspects of what is at stake.
I would be enchanted to share with him my point of view and learn from him.
Let’s have a conversation !
Thankyou Glenn for having Mr Dugin on your chanell a great mind.🇦🇺
Fascinating addition to the conversation about the global power shift going on right now.
The problem with Eurasianism is that everyone who talks about it falls over themselves in their haste to add that the west is amazing and must be looked up to.
THANK YOU DR. DIESEN FOR THIS INSIGHTFULLY PROFOUND INTERVIEW!
Christianity is with us for two millennia regardless of if one is believer or not we are were we are thanks to that, now we are replacing this with destructive ideas and we will end up with nihilism and maybe even worse 🏴
My condolences to Mr dugin for the loss of his daughter.
I am censored.
Doctor Dugin is more censored than me
Yeah
This post needs more views!
Very good scetch of the history of modernity from Ockham and nominalism. The consequence is Der Mann ohne Eigenschaften and the belief that everybody can create themselves out of nothing, erase the created identity and endlessly repeat the creation out nothing and erasing.
By the way: the first version of nominalism is the sophist Protagoras with his homo mensura statement. What kind of human being is the protagorian human being, which are the measure of all chrematon. It's without substance, or to be presise when writing about P: we cannot know what common names mean, because they refer to something that is beyond perception. His theory of knowledge is: knowledge is perception. - The analysis of the statement is in "Theatetos". Why not ask: which of the five senses gives the knowledge that perception is knowledge? After the answer you can continue the reasoning.
I'll just say that the effort to learn from other systems is useful but whatever it is we do with that, that will be transformed by the conditions of the time and also I'd like to see us not miss the elephant in the room that is to say how empire works today which is by debt yet at the same time debt is also useful to enable investments in a more democratic manner, be it a rather lacking form of that today with US investors having the most privileged access to doing investment today and the one to invest is the one to own later after all. But so democratize investment more not less, be it while introducing some more collective forms of working together but so it would be a changed version of whatever we had in the past.
You don't get to put "decentralized investment" no matter how crude it is today back into the box. Is my sense of that. And if you did succeed you would learn in the span of decades or centuries that you really can't. People want to build when there's time to build and even the most basic of promises open up space for investment as we know it with the IOUs and later fiat. Now I'm not saying that that's what the guest is trying to do but so what we can learn from the past and bring to the present, it will be changed in rather profound ways and I don't know in what ways. Side note I have my disagreements with Steve Keen but his modelling of the business cycle is lightweight and superb in how it points to some problematic emergent properties on the macro level and so I also see that looking at the individual and ignoring everything else is a bad idea. But so the obliviousness to study of that macro level has been a matter of political/elite inclination I'd like to point out.
How can humans move away from humanity,ultimate result of liberalism? We are humans. That is the reality.
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I have no idea about philosophy,but the above statement(at 23:05) seems illogical.
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I greatly appreciate Glen Deisen and all his respected guests.
Thank your for interviewing Alexander Dugin.
He is such a great thinker
To Be Or Not To Be...
The West may consider that as a strategic maximum approaches, incremental moves become finer, and the master must seek clues twenty moves forward into the endgame...
But an amateur knows nothing of such subtleties, and typically instead forces himself upon the position, in beast-like fashion.
This is often a signal to the master that he should draw the opponent onto the tight-rope of decision, as the tactical spirits now favor the master.
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Alex, I like your futurists more than mine
Mine hit my limits awhile back
I've heard that name. Who is he?
A Russian philosopher who is accused of being a fascist by Wikipedia. He’s very critical of the west. Agree or disagree, there’s a lot of value in just listening to what he says.
@ToussaintR Omg, I just read about his first wife. Please tell me she is out of Russia against him, but without his son.
Most censored philosopher in our time.
A Russian who thinks that Russia should only serve the west 90% of the time. For that last 10% they murdered his daughter.
Dugin harks back to the hierarchical authoritarian past.
He argues for different nations to make their own choice of the form of hierarchy they adopt, but not for the individuals living within each nation to have any rights to determine these.
Basically, he assumes that everyone is going to be happy and comfortable in the culture he or she has been raised in. Although, clearly, he wasn't.
He only sees cultural change (e.g. modernism) as being something that was only ever imposed from the outside.
Which means that he hankers after a static culture, and he can't really explain where change (e.g. modernism) ever came from.
The fact that he is even ready to embrace the caste system acts as a massive clear warning.
It's an extreme version of 'cultural relativism', which, ironically, was a product of the 'modernism' that he dislikes so much.
Notice also, that Dugin doesn't seem to want to go very far back in time culturally. Not as far as the non-Christian pagan culture.
And he also omits from his short list of Greek philosophies the Epicurean atheist school.
He's not keen on us choosing the atheist option, and in fact Western cultures, including the 'modernists' amazingly, also largely ignored the Epicureans, despit most of 'modernism' is trackable straight back to the Epicurean ideas recorded by the Roman, Lucretius.
Maybe they would never have been given the description 'modernist' if this ancient connection had been noticed. Perhaps the atheistic aspect made Epicurianism too modern for the early modernists, or maybe too dangerous given the habit of old-school Christians (like Dugin ?) to violently suppress heretics.
So clearly, for Russia he would go back the Orthodox Christian period.
As a man, and as someone who regards Pride parades as "totalitarian", I suppose this may not pose any personal problems for him.
n.b. All the gobbledygook at the beginning about 'nominalism' and 'idealism', is just a preamble to make us think that he is super intelligent and well read, but it's irrelevant.
"but not for the individuals living within each nation to have any rights to determine these" where did he say that or which things he said do imply this? with implication I really mean the logical relation not some kind of arbitrary association, nor "guilt" by omission. obviously he had a biggest picture presentation.
"He only sees cultural change (e.g. modernism) as being something that was only ever imposed from the outside." this is also not true. for instance, the conceptual development within liberalism he outlined is a counter example.
I am not saying that he is right about anything he said (although I tend to agree with many, but not all things), but it is completely boring to misleadingly characterize his views, attribute to him things he hasn't asserted or is logically committed to, and turn his views into a straw man and then to complain...
@@Xeptr @Xeptr Answer this, how can he think that the caste system is an acceptable example of his 4th politics and at the same time you say that he envisages the people in each country will choose their nation's culture ? I mean which people in such a culture would be choosing to have a caste system ?? Only the ones in the higher/richer castes.
For him to recognise that some changes in modernist thinking have appeared organically is a correct observation of yours, I concede that. But these changes are within the framework of modernism/liberalism.
The problem with modernism and liberalism is that imperialist capitalist countries have had no real interest in democracy, democratic rights or the material interests of ordinary working people anywhere. All round the world they bully other countries and their own citizens with lawfare, trade wars and ultimately violence. We don't need to go back to caste systems, monarchies or serfdom to solve these issues.
@@potrahsel4195 Again, I am not saying that I agree with everything he said. However, he allows for genuine choice btw modernism and pre-modernism, and also allows for exploration of whatever is within the fourth theory which is a hell of a lot. Moreover, he allows for genuine disagreement. That would be something like tolerance without universalism. The rejection of universalism goes hand-in-hand with that there is no "we" and no legitimacy in "what we need is ..." talk.
You may disagree with that which is fine of course. I was just pointing out that you attributed to him some stuff which he doesn't hold.
Regarding change of societal structures (or however you want to call the relevant entity), I think it is fair to say that without a portion of the elite wanting to go in this or that direction it virtually never occurs. But there are a lot of other factors too. Some of which you echo, others which were not mentioned so far.
I have no interest to put a positive theory forward here myself. Just wanted to clarify some conceptual things. I hope this helps! ; )
@@Xeptr Thanks for your reasoned reply.
I think our views may not be so different. We both put value on tolerance for example. I'm just more sceptical of Dugin, so I'm suspicious of the subtexts in what he says.
I suppose he's a product of his time, and the time now is Russia finding/leading the way independently.
A major critique of the corrupt "democracy" implemented by the West is an essential part of this.
Keep well Xeptr👍
Rip Dugina but i can't listen to Dugin's ramblings.
"i can't listen to Dugin's ramblings," You should try because what he is saying is not "rambling" and is very, very important. It helps if you've read Euripides, Plato, Aristotle, Dostoevsky, Tolstoi, Marx, the Pope speaking 'ex cathedra,' Confucius, Voltaire and dozens of other foundational writings which he does not explain but expects you to know. I've read enough of foundational literature to follow him pretty well. His conclusion is amusing: 'Just say no' (to the West). Lol! He has a point.
Try to concentrate...
Provocative but ultimately incoherent. Another aberration of the postmodern predicament.
Liberte, Egalite, FRATERNITE. Thank you Glenn! I believe this was originally the motto of the protestant Huguenots before it was coopted by the French revolution. It is true that protestantism has become individualistic in America, but the old protestant denominations were not like this. Their confessions acknowledge a single holy catholic and orthodox church. But many protestants do not know this, and THAT is the problem.
If Russia is against globalism how come the Russian centralbank took part in the recent WEF cyberpolygon? Also China will most likely deliver the technology for digital ID's. So whats really going on🤔