The knife mentality in the UK is bonkers……Here in Finland everyone has big knives, nobody stabs anyone or uses them for crime. People just forget they have a knife on them and they are in shops, in public places with no fear of anyone thinking that they are dangerous. It is different if we are in a city then you wouldn’t walk around with a knife on your belt but in rural places nobody bats an eyelid. The mentality here is totally different to the UK.
100% correct. As a child (In the UK) I regularly had a knife at school (so did all my friends). We also had string and various other usefull bits and bobs in our pockets. When we had a fight (which was quite often) nobody reached for a knife. It is not the knives that are the problem, it is a weak legal system for decades that has led to a breakdown in society.
@@ukbiker1631 Which in turn is because we have utterly appalling Political overlords .... ALL the 'mainstream' political parties are woke, popularist and so cynical they happily make bad laws to appease limp liberal elites and handwringing grannies.
@@Farweasel I tend towards agreement with that comment. Politics has drifted towards the left over the course of my lifetime. It isnt hard to see why though. The unemployed and otherwise government dependent are never going to vote to get rid of their hand outs.
There have been several instances where homeless people have been prosecuted for carrying some kind of bladed article. I would have thought that being homeless, I.e. having to carry all possessions on one's person, and occasionally needing to cut things e.g. open food packing, etc. should constitute good reason, but it seems not.
The irony of posting a comment demonstrating a dangerous misunderstanding of knife law, on a video about dangerous misunderstanding of knife law. Idiot.
The law is stupid, it should just allow carrying of offensive weapons such as knives. Literally anything can be an offensive weapon, I have a pen, an every day item I carry everywhere, if someone attacks me that pen is going straight into their neck and yes I will go for the neck because a pen doesn't have very good stabbing potential through clothing and the skull isn't really a good target leaving the neck or eyes as the only viable targets. If I had a knife then I could perhaps go for far less lethal cuts and slashes to make them run away. So because of ''the law'' I am forced to use extreme lethal force if someone attacks me.
@@Grimjow88 the 'stupid' law is intended as a blunt way (excuse the pun) of minimising the number of bladed and sharply pointed articles available to be used in an unlawful way. You might feel hard done by but the net effect is that less knives in public = less stabbings. People who carry knives with no intention to use them except when attacked are still contributing to the overall problem.
@@Non-Stick_Pan but I don't have a knife, I only have my pointy steel pen which I always carry with me for the completely lawful reason of keeping notes in my diary. It is not a self defense weapon, but it's still going to be used to stab the neck of whoever attacks me, not because I want to stab them there but because there was no other venerable place to stab since clothes are enough to block a pen. So while you continue to praise stupid laws I will just come up with creative ways around it. My own life is mine to defend and no law will stop me from taking whatever measures I deem necessary to defend it... for now though I'm happy with my vert strong, sturdy steel pointy pen :)
Basically, with my understanding, we the law abiding have no right to self defence if it comes to it (even as a last resort) anything we use to defend ourselves could be termed an "offensive weapon". so make us the criminal. Yet, the real criminals can do what they want as they don't respect the law by being criminals in the first place. The law is a complete mess.
The law is extremely jealous of its power and authority, so if you take the law into you own hand they will throw the book at you. If you commit a crime against another person they will give you a slap in the wrist, If you commit a crime against the state they will hammer you. So just remember… if you get mugged, beaten up or stabbed, don’t react and beat the crap out of your assailant because that will get you locked up for taking the law into your own hands, you need to take the abuse given to you then report it to the police from your hospital bed. so that they can convict your attacker so that he can do some community service as a punishment.
The law recognises "weapons of opportunity" in scenarios where you employ something as a weapon in the heat of the moment to defend yourself. There are caveats though, in that your use of said weapon still has to be considered reasonable force and it can't be something that you carried with intent to use as a weapon in advance.
The law protects criminals in their criminal activity by making it illegal for a law abiding person to intervene with any robust action or equipment you might have to hand. While they might
The law is made by people who live in virtually crime free areas and probably have others protecting them. Criminals be definition don’t abide by the law some laws only restrict and punish law abiding people. I wonder how many people have been stabbed with a Spyderco, cold steel or Benchmade etc…. Zero I bet.
When I was a 12 year old in the late 60's and in the scouts I used to have an axe on my belt and a 9 inch sheath knife strapped to my leg. Never got stopped once😁 I did however get a literal clip around the ear from a policeman for cycling on the pavement 😁
I recall, when I was a kid, one of the local biker types carried what can only be described as a sword. As far as I am aware, nobody really cared, least of all the plod. We simply didnt have the levels of hysteria around weapons as we have today. (Firearms licences were also far easier to obtain and very few things were excluded). Then people got scared and the law changed in favour of criminals because you never get what you expected when you ask for more safety/security.
@@davecooper3238 You cant see it? Criminals do not obey the law. When ,members of the public could own and carry weapons, the playing field was level. Now it is tilted towards the criminal.
@@ukbiker1631 I don’t ever remember carrying anything that I would describe as a weapon for use against people. We used to take throwing knifes to school. Not as weapons but to play stretch. We also carried sheath knives as part of Scout uniforms. But I don’t remember anyone even considering using them as weapons. Same with shotguns. Unfortunately the world has changed. The laws needed to keep up. Used to be that someone could say. ‘Sorry forgot I had the knife on me.’ Almost impossible to prove otherwise. The only thing the school said about stretch was. ‘Get injured. Find you own way to hospital.’
@@davecooper3238 By some fluke I managed to convince my parents the perfect knife for Scouts was a copy of a commando dagger which differed only in that instead of the ribbed metal hilt had a 'traditional' sheath-kife type compressed leather rings. One evening coming home on the bus a 'rather strange gentleman' decided although there were plenty of seats empty, he would sit with me. We talked (I was wary) he asked 'Where are you going' I asked him the same he told me and I replied 'I'll be getting off before that'. but He followed me off at my stop. I went on lent on a lampost - Cleaning my nails with my damn great double sided knife making sure it was very visible whilst staring him in the eyes. He turned around and walked away. Today I would be called a thug or such simply for that clear 'threat' ~ which at the bottom line was simply a counter threat, a warning not to try it on with this kid. *NOW let anyone tell you the law toady is 'better' * .
An Englishmans home is his castle. Break into my castle and I will defend my castle with whatever I can find. If you break the law by breaking and entering, you should be classed as an outlaw and shouldn't be protected by the law.
It isnt and you are. Weak people demanded laws to keep them safe. Laws dont protect anyone unless they are enforced and we all know how much use the police are these days.
Me my mate was coming back from shooting once and there was a woman copper that found a 3inch folding knife in his car which is used as a tool for gutting animals etc and she was quite abrupt about him having it, but then we had two shotguns with us on licenses that are much more deadly so people just got no common sense.
@@ukbiker1631 yes I know but she was checking everything out as if she wanted to get something on us but we was all legit… Also once I left salt in a small bag in my mates car as I used to put it on my boiled eggs while fishing of shooting and one day he was pulled by the cops but there was a different mate with him and they got roasted for it haha, the police was really suspect of this little bag of salt and even took it back with them to sample it pmsl, I was howling when they told me.
Always appreciate your take and advice on these issue. Sadly, I sometimes think that whoever said that the law is an ass knew what they were talking about. I have carried a small lock knife since the early 70's. During that time I've occupied management or senior management/director positions and have never carried this knife for defensive purposes, but as a very handy tool for a myriad of uses. Because our law makers appear to be inherently lazy, they create laws to address symptoms, not causes; this, in my opinion is why knife crime is little influenced by current legislation.
The attitude to knives in this country has been shaped by the law. When I was young, many people carried small knives, usually known as penknives. All the adults in my family carried knives; men carried them in their pockets, and women in their handbags. Our teachers all had their penknives, and they were useful multi-purpose tools, not weapons. We knew which knives could be used as weapons and normal law-abiding people did not carry them. Before I retired, and after the passing of knife law in 1997, I was sitting at my desk cleaning my knife, having just cut an apple. One of the new young graduates saw the knife and asked, “Is that for self-defence?” I laughed, and explained that my knife could not be reasonably used as a weapon and would be far more likely to injure me than anyone else if I tried to use it as such. I have owned that knife for more than 60 years, and it is perhaps fortunate that it falls within the legal category, because I will continue to carry it until I die. I remember when flick knives were banned, probably in the late 1950s, and they immediately became fashionable among a certain group of teenagers. I am quite confident that similar psychology is at work today, making it more likely that certain youngsters will carry offensive weapons, just to be ‘cool’, and when they carry them, they are more likely to use them. While I agree with the aims of knife law, I believe that much of it is misguided, because nothing has been done to address the causes of violence. Government cuts have increased poverty that we know correlates with increasing violent crime, and at the same time there have been severe cuts in the numbers of those who would otherwise be helping to prevent violent crime. We reap what we sow, and no amount of legislation will change that.
The problem with "reasonable force" is that it is ineffective. If someone bigger, stronger, better trained punches you and you punch back then you get a beating. You use a weapon to adequately defend yourself then you fall foul of the law, as it is no longer "reasonable force". So your only 3 options are to be humiliated, take a beating, or break the law. No matter how well trained you are, there is always a bigger fish, martial arts expertise does not mitigate this problem, and even Mr. Black Belt could fall foul of this type of situation. It is a lose-lose-lose proposition and aught not be. Every man should have the right to stand his ground vs bullies of any stripe and if that means using a weapon so be it. If the law does not support that man then the law is wrong.
Reasonable force can include a pre-emptive strike if you can justify it. But you would have to show that running away was not an option available to you.
@@dlevi67 Reasonable this, reasonable that, until emotions such as genuine fear come in. At this point the last thing going on in your head is ''will I use reasonable force''.
@@nixusthefurry Absolutely. But if you genuinely believed that force was necessary, you are half-way to proving your 'self-defence' case. What is not true is that - as the OP here asserted - if you use a weapon you are automatically not using reasonable force.
@@dlevi67 that makes sense( unless i misunderstood your comment sorry i am tired XD) , what bugs me is that you cannot prepare for such an event in advance. My home country Poland ,Czech republic and ofc famously the USA all allow some form of premptive equipment to be carried. UK as far as i know is the only nation with a head up its arse about even pepper spray. That is genuinly bothering me because it sends a very clear signal that we want you to be dependant on US, for your ''protection'' cuz we have the training blah blah blah (as if there are no courses in defensive uses of various items for civilians. the police are not special.) that is one thing that is just straight up insulting. and the Vaugness of it all too.. ''reasonable'' ''proportionate'' ''Reasonable man'' like wtf. The issue never seems to be at the time of the defence (who has time for thinking about that??) its always dealing with bullshit afterwards by the looks of it. Idk im not a fan of this law. uwu
My dad got found not guilty of attempted murder. His 2 cats were mutilated by his next door neighbour and left outside his front door. My dad returned the favour out on him. He spent 6 months remand in Belmarsh. The jury at the Old Bailey favoured my dad as some were cat lovers and were brought to tears when 2 pictures of his cats were held up. The next door neighbour perished six weeks after the case from the stress and his injuries. The moral of this is do not chop up my dads precious pets.
I have a Swiss Army knife in my trumpet case - it has been extremely useful over the years as a tool to cut gaffer tape, to repair broken music/mic stands - to use the blade to tighten loose mic stands .. it is part of my Batman-esque "utility strip", which includes medical supplies. As a fellow self-employed, you know what I'm talking about. I have never had cause to use my knife to defend myself, but it's there if I need it. I shouldn't be criminalised if a moron decides to attack me, and I use my knife to defend myself.
If we were all equal under the law then how can a VIP that has armed protection be allowed to shoot a person? That action is extremely excessive. Clearly not reasonable force.
In the early 1980s my brother came home from a school trip to France with a gruesome looking knife. My mum blew her top and went the school. Apparently ALL the kids had bought one. They were confiscated.
The way I interpret it it is illegal to defend yourself in the UK, there is nothing you can carry to protect yourself that is legal. You must use "reasonable force" without anything against a knife or gun wielding attacker. The law is there to protect criminals from the law-abiding citizens. YOU MUST NOT TAKE THE LAW INTO YOUR OWN HANDS or the law will decend upon you heavily. Only criminals and police officers are allowed to do as they please and get away with it. The law as it stands is not fit for purpose.
The knife laws in the uk only apply to law abideing people who are easy targets for the police .where as the criminals do what the hell they want and the police are afraid to get involved .
What if you built an emergency kit for the car - Maybe a torch, some tools, some rope and a knife to cut that rope - And you left that kit permanently in the boot of your car? Is that a "good reason"?
Yes. And so is anything sharp within reach of anyone in the car who might need it to cut the seatbelt in an emergency such as after a crash when the car is on fire, on it's side in a ditch, in a river, the sea, etc.
3:27 also the idea of it been under 3i nch is at the discretion of the cop as from what i have seen and heard most cops dont actually understand half the laws they are meant to be enforcing or they are just trying to fill a quota or they have decided they want a quiet night filling in paperwork instead of dealing with drunk partygoers.
A cop can use discretion not to arrest or charge you but a cop cannot find you guilty. If you cant convince the cop, you get a second go - to convince a court.
@@requiscatinpace7392but that's not the intended purpose of a box cutter. Here in the United States in most cases box cutter knives are used by construction workers or people working in delivery/supply business. It's intended as a tool.
@@可口可乐02 that doesn’t mean they can’t be utilised as a weapon which was my point. They are useful utility tools but they still can’t be incredibly dangerous. In the UK we can’t own guns so we stab each other, usually it’s with a kitchen knife which is also a useful tool not designed as a weapon.
15 Years ago I was attacked by a school bully who followed me through town and into a public space, he attacked me from behind without me knowing and stabbed me in the side of the head (through my ear) turns out he used a key in-between his fist. The guy ended up being charged with, assault with a deadly weapon, GBH, and even attempted murder due to the injury being so close to jugular artery in my neck. So ended up convicted and sent to prison. So even something as small as a house key can be classed as a deadly weapon if used with intent to cause harm.
I am a ret officer and I regularly watch your excellent videos, it could be said you perform a public service and I am sure you both help and clarify some misunderstood and contentious issues for many of us.
That latter half of your discussion, the use of force at home, sounded like you were alluding to that specific case in Norfolk way back in 1999 I think, where a gentleman shot a burglar in the back, killing him. I have to say I'm on the side of the homeowner in that particular situation. When an individual breaks the law by breaking into your property, offensive weapon or not, I personally wouldn't blame the homeowner for defending their property, however they applied their method of defence.
The homeowner was initially jailed but then later released after a public outcry. The "powers that be" have kept very quiet about this one and I'm sure the Black Belt Barrister knows all about it - but is sensibly staying quiet as well.
When I was a child, it was a normal thing to own/carry a penknife, and no one considered that to be a weapon... it was a tool, used for all manner of things, from fashioning a stick into a toy, making a new tent-peg or cutting string, opening packaging, whatever! At what point did this become a weapon?
I always found the law regarxing locking blades stupid, as a blade lock is a safety feature to protect the users fingers from the blade closing. That said i spent years working in the woods and often go camping and do bushcraft as a hobby so my local police know that if they see me oyt and about with a knife it's for legal reasons, though i usually make sure it's in my pack until im in the woods, but i have accidently left it on my belt once or twice which has led to a couple of jokes with the older officers and new recruits. My favourate will always be the time i was waved through a random stop and search, and a young officer noticed the bulge on my hip to which his senior replied "yeah we're not searching him it's way too much paperwork" (he knew i was on my way from one job teaching a survival class, to another teaching martial arts and doing a weapons demonstration so had enough sharp things in my bag to equip an army lol)
In my job, we aren't allowed to use non-locking knives for H&S reasons. We have one locker, but it will in most cases be on the other side of the very large site I work on. I am expected to add another half hour on to my day to put my knife and other kit in that locker? Instead I bury the knife in my work bag and head straight for my car putting the bag in the boot. Good knife/bad knife is nonsense too. It's going the same way as Firearms legislation. We should look at who is possessing the knife and why, and work from that point alone. The actual design, which is mostly form, function and safety feature in most cases is an irrelevance.
had a friend, biker so always looked at with suspicion, always had a small knife in a belt holder, one day jumped in his car to go pick up a friend from the airport and forgot ...his day got interesting lol
_"a blade lock is a safety feature to protect the users fingers from the blade closing"_ Yes, when stabbing into things... That's kind of the point. A non-locking knife can do just about any task an everyday person would need one for (cutting things open, slicing, scraping, etc) while being impractical for stabbing people because the blade will fold shut on their fingers under the force. The key point here being "everyday person". Outliers exist who would practically need a locking knife, which is why the law allows people to carry them so long as they can provide "good reason" for doing so.
As a barrister i would really like you to cover the law around Human Rights and the corruption in our midst, and how we THE PEOPLE can hold THEM accountable. Thank you!
Human rights are over powered by the many. Voting was unheard of in 1649 but democracy (the many) killed King Charles 1st. The ballet box is a peaceful democracy where people count each side and concede when out numbered. Westminsters (claim of) democracy is a claim that the majority want to over power your human rights. We are in the midst that Westminster is not considered democratic when people abject on mass to something that was never agreed to on mass in the first place.
The British justice system was aware of Ruperts quest for Brexit and Lord Leveson himself made a cheeky reference to editorial *inclusively* at the hacking inquiry. None of them had the power to stop it! I have drawn a line under justice. It is shocking what goes on in plain sight.
indeed, way too many tiktokers only read 3", not the folding , non locking bit, we were very lucky to retain Swiss Army knife style tools last time, BBB does help to clear up many minutiae concerning these matters.
Depends on the Stanley knife, ones we have are a safety version. So are spring loaded to automatically retract when released. But are still not legal as not folding. So still worry when I get home and find it still with me. If I want to use at home for DIY, normally put at bottom of bag so can't be accessed quickly.
There is an exception for knives used for work... so longnas you as going directly from your job to your home... that said depending on your local police and how much honnest you are with them they do give some leeway such as popping into a shop to grab something. Heck inwas once stopped while walking home after a weekend in the woods, when the police asked if i had anything on me i simply replied that i had a machette in my bag, a bushcraft knife on my belt and a multi tool in my pocket, then explained how i had been camping. After they confirmed what i had on me they offered me a lift home as it was getting late
Oh dear. I was a soldier for 23 years. A knife (a fare bit longer than 3 inches) is a very useful thing to have in the field. Nothing to do with the offensive/defensive aspect of it. Basic field craft requires a decent knife. If I went walking in the hills, I would consider a decent strong knife in a scabbard as essential as a first aid kit and an emergency basher (that's a waterproof cover, not something to hit someone with). The UK really has become a treacherous place for a (I almost said law abiding but I guess you wouldn't be) decent man, with no ill intent, to negotiate.
Logic dictates that a valid reason would be permissable for someone as yourself. However, if you were a dope smoking and general law breaking menace to society, the chances of them carrying a knife to scrape the dirt from under their fingernails would be questionable!
@@hannahjames3180 No, from what our friend has just said a fixed blade knife of any length, let alone one of 5 or 6 inches, inside my day bag for cutting string, cleaning off a twig or stick to make it useful would not be considered a valid reason to have such a "weapon". As an aside, the military police/movers seemed to enjoy taking knives from soldiers (because they left it on their webbing where it belonged (rather than sending it with an arms bundle through the Company armoury) when getting on a military flight to go to an operational theatre. I have known a good few mates lose a nice Kukri that way.
@@williamvorkosigan5151 I'm speaking in an ideal world. Obviously professionals wear them on tool belts etc when on site or working on residential properties and may walk to the shops wearing it. Common sense should prevail there. Cars are dangerous weapons as are cycles, yet we don't see enough being done to address issues there.
@@hannahjames3180 That is not what is being said. In my experience, common sense never prevails. A penknife was a permanent fixture to my working belt. I got on a military flight to Kosovo and forgot to put my penknife in my Bergan for hold baggage. Regulations say knifes are not allowed in the passenger cabin on the plane. The military movers confiscated all penknife's from soldiers who like me gave it no thought. I also have a metal travel Knife Fork and Spoon. The knife with persistence can saw through a piece of meat. As a weapon it would be more likely to injure me as my hand slid down the handle and over the serrated edge of the blade than anyone I was daft enough to try and stab. Again, not allowed in the passenger cabin.
@@williamvorkosigan5151 I lost two good knives to the RAF police because they make up the law as they go along. They have no concept of the difference between illegal to carry in public and illegal to own. They also dont seem to recognise that a flight is going to/coming from an operational theatre. No point arguing with them, I just bought replacements perfectly legally the other end of the journey.
My friends daughter was murdered in WOOLWICH HIGH ST she was in her young 20's with an affro combe , she died at the scene and the person (now serving) was clearely aware the 5"steel spike she carried wasn't for vanity it was a leathal weapon and she knew she could carry this with impunity
This one reminds me of something that happened to me in the late 80's, early 90's. I was working as an apprentice joiner on a building site, I was late for dinner so just took off into town with a fully loaded tool belt, hammer, axe Stanley knife and chisels, not thinking anything about it. I got called over by the police, but after explaining, all they said was to make sure to remove the tool belt next time. I guess I got lucky. :-)
I carry a knife. Its for work. Like cutting open boxes/delivery's etc. I've been arrested 3 times for having a pointed article in public and 3 times I've been acquitted by magistrates with common sense. If I carry a hammer its a tool until I threaten or beat someone with it. Show me an item that isn't a weapon in the wrong hands. I carried both locking and fixed blade. Funny thing is when the police took my tiny pocket knife as an offensive weapon. A knife with mm blade exposure. They left me with a tactical repeating crossbow. The law is an ass. Fact
Had no idea it had gotten this bad. So what, an assualter is just allowed to beat you up and you can't do anything for fear of hurting them slightly more than they hurt you?? wtf is this logic cmon
Well thanks for clarifying this. I have on a few occasions walked into a shop or supermarket at the end of my day as an electrician with a Stanley knife in my pocket after putting it there whilst working off a set of steps and forgetting about it. So it looks like I will have to in future make sure it is back in my tool bag before going home.
@@samhardy6030 Indeed. Today I found a small blade insulated screw driver in my pocket that I forgot about. Could this be regarded as an offensive weapon when I was shopping
So can we carry a folding/non-locking pocket knife under 3” for random tool tasks like cutting food, opening packages etc or not? Sounds like you’re says yes but no.
Turns out that laws don't apply to criminals! Wow, who would have thought!? But don't worry, if someone is guilty of the heinous crime of for example, stating facts, you can send them to prison instantly!
Really useful video. I take my kids on a lot of picnics and forest adventures and alway carry a little slip joint (ie non locking, non automatic) knife with me for den building, food prep etc. I also carry a multitool with a locking knife when at work which leaves my pocket as soon as i get home. Its scary how ma y people don't do their research and will carry a locking knife day to day.
If a person is in your home with a knife, you don’t know what their intentions are, and they are very likely not good. I think you should be able to incapacitate that person to protect your wife and children. If the person dies as a result, well they shouldn’t have been in your home in the night with a knife out. They weren’t going to use it to cut cake with.
therein lays ye issue just carrying a knife ye law implies intention of using to cause harm automatically making you a criminal intention is sometimes very hard to prove i recommend getting a copy of Oxford dictionary of law 2022 10th edition it has self-defense intention use of force
Would love for you to do the same type of video on Mace/Pepper spray. Many people do not realise that it's banned uder the firearms act and the punishment for carrying it and god forbid actually using it.
Which is insane because prepper is not lethal. I think we can carry that identifier spray stuff. That’s probably only because it might make the police’s job easier if they ever get around to investigating anything that isn’t a naughty word crime.
@@ukbiker1631 The consequences of carrying/using it is what people do not understand. A lot of people think "Oh it's just spray, no big deal". However it's the same as carrying a gun and/or shooting a gun. Punishment wise: Carry spray = Carry gun Shoot spray = Shoot gun
It's all about intent. I've got a small Leatherman type tool with a knife in it. It's a tool that lives in the tool bag in my bike, with spanners, screwdrivers and sockets ...and it only comes out of the tool bag when I need to use the tool.
Is hiking, camping and day-walking or traveling to a hiking location a "good reason" for having a fixed-blade >3 inch knife, multitool and locking saw inside your rucksack?
When worn as part of the national dress of Scotland, the sgian-dubh is legal in Scotland, England, and Wales: in Scotland under the Criminal Law (Consolidation) (Scotland) Act 1995 s. 49(5)(c); in England and Wales under the Criminal Justice Act 1988 (s. 139) and the Offensive Weapons Act 1996 also an exemption in UK law on the Kirpan
I think even a pen or pencil can be an offensive weapon if it can be proven you are carrying it with the intent of it being self defence? I would say never carry anything for self defence (legal or otherwise) that you have not trained with. From a kubotan to a knife to a gun, if you plan to not surrender, you must practice with, train with whatever methods you plan to use. The general law in the UK is the only thing you can carry in the UK for self defence is something that is to make a noise and bring attention to you.
How does the law state that if someone breaks into YOUR home and you use force to remove them that is deemed disproportionate then you are liable to prosecution…….the law should be that if a scroat chooses to break into YOUR home it’s at their risk and therefore the home owner can do whatever they like, and for as long as they like until they feel that particular scroat has learnt their lesson. Only in this country do criminals have more rights than the law-abiding tax paying British citizen to provides for their family. If they broke into my home they would only do it once!!
So what if you have left your door unlocked and someone has come in, perhaps intoxicated or suffering from dementia, and believe they have come into their own house. Does this give you carte blanch to injure them?
If a person carries a knife for self defense, it's for defense, not offense. Duh! This is is written from the perspective of a woman from Texas. We are allowed to defend ourselves, if necessary, here.
American laws are significantly different. Texas laws in particular. In the UK we cannot carry ANYTHING for the purpose of self defence. I know that that is an odd concept for a Texan and, quite frankly, as an Englishman, I think it is nonsense too. Its not as if we can rely on our useless police force to protect us. You have far better police response in Texas AND the ability to defend yourselves robustly should you need to. But watch out for Californians and New Yorkers trying to change your laws and disarm you.
@@ukbiker1631 yes, they are! I have a dear friend who lives in Beccles. She thinks our laws are ridiculous and sees no need of anyone having a gun. And, I wish she were correct in those lovely liberal thoughts of hers. We do see eye to eye on many things but healthcare and gun control, not a chance. 🤣 Oh, and we're keeping an eye on all those ppl moving into Texas. They are moving to mostly liberal area like Austin and Dallas and they can't hurt us, too much, from there. The Bill of Rights takes care of the rest of them. They would have to abolish all of it and there's only a relative few of the ppl here who are that crazy! Thanks for your reply and I am sorry that criminals won't follow your gun and knife laws. How criminal it is of them!😉 Have a great night, or day, if you get this tomorrow. 🙂⚖️
#blackbeltbarrister There have been two separate cases locally in which people have been charged with murder and the defenents claimed self defence. In both cases they were aquited of murder but were sentenced for carrying a bladed item.
Thank you for another excellent video. I collect knives, which I keep in a secure place at home, some of which are very useful as I have densely wooded gardens. A couple of these were sold as "UK legal carry" on the Website. That's a term which causes me a little concern and I wonder if that gives rise to the misunderstandings you outline here? My own strict policy is to never carry a knife of any sort and thankfully, I don't consider myself to be a very attractive target to any would-be assailant on account of getting on a bit. The majority, if not quite all knife crime in the area of Croydon is committed by the gangs of youths. As a child, however, I used to have various sheath knives attached to my belt most of the time and never even considered them a weapon, just that we made camps in the woods etc..
It's a shame places that sell knives and tools in the UK don't make it easier to buy 'UK Legal Carry' stuff more easily. Heinnie and Cyclaire have sections for this, but Amazon SUCKS. I'm generally only interested in multi tools, and I doubt I'll need to buy more unless I lose some, but finding UK legal ones wasn't easy.
What about National Dress? My understanding is that a Skaen Dhu (sock knife) or a Dirkh (dress short sword) are exempt. Although Ive never worn a Dirkh, I do wear a Skaen Dhu in public. Do I face possible chareges?
You may wish to consider convertion to Sikhism. They are required by their religion (on quite sensible historical grounds) to do & wear/carry several things. Hence never cutting hair, have a beard, wear turbans and carrying, well historically a sword but I doubt its been revised to folding penknife under 3inches.
The law is absolute bollox, I carry a small gerber multi tool and it has a small blade about 1&1/2 inches long, but because this blade ‘Locks’ into place when opened it is illegal to carry around. So instead of carry it on my belt for which the dammed thing is designed for, I have to carry it in the boot of my car. … Wouldn’t it be nice is all of those in the legal profession [like lawyers] decided that instead of benefitting from the lucrative work that these stupid laws produces, to actually help repeal this ridiculous legislation that criminalises normal honest law abiding people.
Hi BBB, would love to get your take on the Leatherman Knifeless Rebar. Every site claims it is UK EDC legal, however it does have a locking saw, which could be classed as a "blade"?
Hi@@sudsey6713, the problem is the law does not specify a Knife, it refers to a “bladed product”, which is defined as (a)is or has a blade, and (b)is capable of causing a serious injury to a person which involves cutting that person’s skin.
I'd wager that it's illegal. A locking blade is a locking blade, especially as it's jagged. The thought of defending that one in a court, fills me with dread.
How does this law work with kitchen knives? I personally like a large knife to cook with, but this law seems to make the transportation of any knife from a store to my home a criminal offence. I am aware it would be unlikely that I would get stopped and that it being in some form of packaging would make it look to a logical person as if I were taking it home but people get done for even more petty things. Should I be worried? Is there a clause that allows for this?
Being Scottish if I'm wearing my kilt, which I often do, I can wear a Sgian Dhu, a Highland Dirk and a Basket Hilted Broadsword as bladed weapons are allowed when they form part of a National (or religious) dress/costume.
Many countries using the English law system also have the ridiculous rules of not being able to carry anything for self defence, NZ, Australia etc. Whilst in the US I saw first hand an attempted carjacking and potential knife murder get stopped instantly by the victim who was a concealed gun carrier. From that point onwards I went from a brainwashed doubter to hardcore believer. I follow the law but I am a stout supporter of law change in favour of the lawful citizen to allow carrying of weapons for self defence.
I am from the US living in the UK. I carry a Swiss Army knife around. It's a tool. I use it frequently as such. I keep it in my back pocket. Are you telling me this is illegal, because it is "concealed" in my back pocket? Also, if by some stretch of the imagination I get attacked by someone and I happen to use it to help me defend myself I can be criminally charged!!? What kind of idiotic country is this, anyway? What if I punch my attacker with my fist and I break his jaw? Is that criminal, too? My son in law tells me that if I get mugged and insult my attacker I can be charged with a crime for that, too. Apparently, doing anything other than running, or just laying down to let my attacker have his way with me, is illegal. Madness.
No, it is not illegal to carry if the blade is under 3 inches and does not lock. Nor is having it in your pocket considered concealed. But you are right, the law here is insane.
Is there no consession for carrying a weapon in traditional dress? As an example, in full Highland dress to a wedding? In Scotland there seems to be an acceptable that carrying a sgian-dubh for the sole purpose of completing the full Highland dress. I know while in England I have worm full Highland dress to Mess functions in the Military and the wearing/ carrying of the sgian-dubh is fine on camp so long as the " weapon" is not drawn.
Sometimes I carry my lawyer with me when I'm outside. Since the purpose is for self defence, does this also make them an offensive weapon? Or do I have a reasonable excuse? If my lawyer beats someone up to defend me for example, will I be liable as they have been used as an offensive weapon? Or is it self defence?
The problem with someone breaking into my home is I have no idea as to their intent. Are they opportunists trying to nick a laptop or are they here to kill my family. Whats more if they dont immediately flee upon alerting me I have to assume the latter and act accordingly. Id rather live with those consequences than hoping theyd run and something worse happens. To that end most rooms in my house have something ordinary that ive placed there to give me an advantage versus an attacker. A weapon is a force multiplier and equaliser and also a great deterant. The law is the law, i will defend my home as I see fit. I'd never carry a weapon outside. But as they say a mans home is his castle and his right to defend. The reality is criminals will likely have a weapon. Its your duty to make sure you protect your family and guarantee their safety. You simply cannot take the risk and give them the agency. There are also so many drugs that mean people wont feel fear or pain. How would you feel if that person did something horrific and you could have prevented it but were scared of the law? As I say. Im no vigilante. But I will protect my home.
Once again, a fair number of commentors seem to have forgotten that you have three chances to "get away with it". The first is to not attract the attention of plod in the first place. The second is to convince the police that you have a legitimate reason for being in posession. (A bit hard if you are a 16 year old drug dealer and have a 6 inch chefs knife hidden down your trousers). The third is to convince a court that you had a legitimate reason (a judge may be more reasonable than an over-enthusiastic copper if you actually do have a legitimate reason). In all cases, staying calm and acting sensibly is a key element in your likelihood of getting away with it.
If you consider having to spend time and stress attending court to be no big thing and "getting away with it" then sure but I consider being forced to attend court a punishment in and off it's self and unreasonable to be forced on innocent people for petty things.
I'm a retired mechanic with 40+ year old motorcycles. Whenever I'm out on one of them, I always carry tools, including a multi-tool with a folding, non-locking 2.5" blade. If I tried stabbing anyone with that, I'd be more likely to cut my own fingers off, so I don't think anyone would interpret that as an offensive weapon.
Question, purely out of interest. If you had a folding pocket knife that followed the legal specifications, and you did end up instinctively using it in self-defense despite that not being why you had it in the first place, could you not argue it falls under instant arming?
Could I ask a question? What about a UK legal multi-tool with non-locking tools, including a knife that is kept in a car for maintenance? Is there a problem with that as it isn't on your person.
Anything could be used as a weapon a pen pencil even a tea spoon or could be a pair of shoes you've just bought the list just goes on, love your video's
Aren't lock knives legal too? I carry one incase I see a car crash and have to cut through a seat belt or if I see a dog tied to a post on a got day with no water and have to cut a leash
You are innocent if you are not carrying a blade or offensive weapon. If you are guilty but can show legitimate reason then you can get let off. I hope that clarifies the situation.
@@ukbiker1631 That's clear enough Biker. But my point was, if like me one has memory issues, it's easy to forget what's in the back of a car. So if a bloody minded plod looks and finds what he wants to be a weapon, one has no chance. A man was stopped and charged for have an offensive weapon. It was his white stick, the man was blind. Has his stick taken, and was handcuffed.
One thing I would like to know. Could you carry a small foldable pocket knife for self-defense AGAINST bugs? Like say if you were mortally afraid of bugs, maybe allergic to wasp stings, could you say tell the po po that you have this little pocket knife to defend you against wasps?
@@xTerminatorAndy The Aphids disagree ... as does anyone that has faced a belligerent wasp. I have had one actually try to face me down. Very strange interaction. Guess the outcome Haha
If you can cut a wasp in half with a knife strike while it's flying in the air then sure. Or you could just get something with some other tool on it and say it's useful for cutting rope and things. No need for a self defense argument
In most cases, the law is pointless. I have a lock knife on me everyday as a work tool. Police are not interested, in fact I don't remember the last time I saw a member of the police force outside of a police car. Knife laws and the police need a real shake up.
Being in posession of a bladed article in a public place? If it's just a useful gadget and is not carried for self defence, is clipped inside a zipped up pocket organiser with other gadgets and thumb drives etc, surely the fact of my knife meeting all the legal requirements, means I couldn't be arrested for having a "bladed article in a public place" because my knife is way under 3 inches, folds, does not lock and is not concealed as some other object etc? Else what is the point of the legal specification of a knife that can be carried in a public place without needing a good reason, if anyone can be arrested at any time for having a "bladed article"?! Seems like it would all be a sham.
If you are at home and someone breaks in at 4am, and starts coming up the stairs, you have to assume that they are equipped to deal with the home owner, so I think you would be within your rights to hit them with something heavy and blunt at the earliest opportunity, I think something sharp would be more difficult to justify as a first strike without warning.
As the owner of the channel just said, this would be a "household" case, where the laws are rather different. You can use any object to defend yourself as long as it is not a prepared one (do not keep a baseball bat near your door)
What is your opinion on carrying a bushcraft knife for the purpose of doing bushcraft in the woods in my local area. This would typically be a 5” fixed blade knife. It would be carried to the woods in a bag containing other bushcraft items - hammock, firefighting equipment, cooking pots etc. Once in the woods it would be carried on a belt for easy access. I asked my local police for guidance and was told by a sergeant they would consider it an offensive weapon and I would be arrested. Seems wrong to me
Yes you can carry a uk legal knife on your persons and you will not be breaking the law.Eating fruit & using it to peel a apple opening parcels & other daily tasks.Totally legal to carry in your pocket.
Hello, BBB, I have in the past carried one or two scalpel blades in the coin compartment of my wallet. I have carried these blades to remove splinters, prickles and pieces of metal swarf. My hobbies include woodwork, wood turning and to a lesser degree some metalwork. A significant part of my wood-related hobbies includes foraging for materials, which finds me looking for lumps of trees, discarded furniture, and pallets. My question is, would I fall foul of the law by having these scalpel blades available to me, albeit in a sealed foil packet in my wallet or smartphone case? Thank you and thank you for your great content. Bob.
My son was stabbed over 128 times. There is a programme uploaded in the past couple of weeks covering his murder -see the title ‘ Horrific death of Alex Davies’. I would be interested to know your thoughts re the defence of mental health et al. My son’s killer purposefully took a paring knife from the parents house to murder him. Thank you. I do enjoy listening to your videos.
Always hated how helpless the government expects us to be.
The knife mentality in the UK is bonkers……Here in Finland everyone has big knives, nobody stabs anyone or uses them for crime. People just forget they have a knife on them and they are in shops, in public places with no fear of anyone thinking that they are dangerous. It is different if we are in a city then you wouldn’t walk around with a knife on your belt but in rural places nobody bats an eyelid. The mentality here is totally different to the UK.
100% correct. As a child (In the UK) I regularly had a knife at school (so did all my friends). We also had string and various other usefull bits and bobs in our pockets. When we had a fight (which was quite often) nobody reached for a knife. It is not the knives that are the problem, it is a weak legal system for decades that has led to a breakdown in society.
@@ukbiker1631 Which in turn is because we have utterly appalling Political overlords ....
ALL the 'mainstream' political parties are woke, popularist and so cynical they happily make bad laws to appease limp liberal elites and handwringing grannies.
@@Farweasel I tend towards agreement with that comment. Politics has drifted towards the left over the course of my lifetime. It isnt hard to see why though. The unemployed and otherwise government dependent are never going to vote to get rid of their hand outs.
In the 60s we were given sheath knives by the scouts for prizes in races etc .Everyone from 6 to 16 had a blade and not one of us harm others .
@@Interdiction Exactly. we also had far easier access to firearms and didn't shoot each other. The problem is not the inanimate object.
There have been several instances where homeless people have been prosecuted for carrying some kind of bladed article. I would have thought that being homeless, I.e. having to carry all possessions on one's person, and occasionally needing to cut things e.g. open food packing, etc. should constitute good reason, but it seems not.
Dispossessing the homeless of ALL their possessions is the council/police norm. Tents, clothes etc etc. Society is a lie!
I'd have though 'sleeping out' would give the same "good reason" as camping! ?
It all depends what the bladed article was and what they said at the time. If they said they had it for self defence, they have no defence.
Tony Blair wanted to make homelessness illegal, so just being homeless would have been a crime. That guy was on crack cocaine.
@@aaronmicalowe if making, or allowing someone to become homeless was made illegal. . .we might be on to something
These laws don't apply to criminals, they only apply to law-abiding citizens which leaves us at a distinct disadvantage.
Well if you want to carry a knife in circumstances that make it illegal, That would make you a criminal wouldn't it?
The irony of posting a comment demonstrating a dangerous misunderstanding of knife law, on a video about dangerous misunderstanding of knife law. Idiot.
The law is stupid, it should just allow carrying of offensive weapons such as knives. Literally anything can be an offensive weapon, I have a pen, an every day item I carry everywhere, if someone attacks me that pen is going straight into their neck and yes I will go for the neck because a pen doesn't have very good stabbing potential through clothing and the skull isn't really a good target leaving the neck or eyes as the only viable targets. If I had a knife then I could perhaps go for far less lethal cuts and slashes to make them run away. So because of ''the law'' I am forced to use extreme lethal force if someone attacks me.
@@Grimjow88 the 'stupid' law is intended as a blunt way (excuse the pun) of minimising the number of bladed and sharply pointed articles available to be used in an unlawful way. You might feel hard done by but the net effect is that less knives in public = less stabbings. People who carry knives with no intention to use them except when attacked are still contributing to the overall problem.
@@Non-Stick_Pan but I don't have a knife, I only have my pointy steel pen which I always carry with me for the completely lawful reason of keeping notes in my diary. It is not a self defense weapon, but it's still going to be used to stab the neck of whoever attacks me, not because I want to stab them there but because there was no other venerable place to stab since clothes are enough to block a pen. So while you continue to praise stupid laws I will just come up with creative ways around it. My own life is mine to defend and no law will stop me from taking whatever measures I deem necessary to defend it... for now though I'm happy with my vert strong, sturdy steel pointy pen :)
Basically, with my understanding, we the law abiding have no right to self defence if it comes to it (even as a last resort) anything we use to defend ourselves could be termed an "offensive weapon". so make us the criminal. Yet, the real criminals can do what they want as they don't respect the law by being criminals in the first place. The law is a complete mess.
That is what happens when you make having a "criminal record" the punishment. Having a criminal record is not a detriment to entering a life of crime.
The law is extremely jealous of its power and authority, so if you take the law into you own hand they will throw the book at you.
If you commit a crime against another person they will give you a slap in the wrist,
If you commit a crime against the state they will hammer you.
So just remember… if you get mugged, beaten up or stabbed, don’t react and beat the crap out of your assailant because that will get you locked up for taking the law into your own hands,
you need to take the abuse given to you then report it to the police from your hospital bed. so that they can convict your attacker so that he can do some community service as a punishment.
The law recognises "weapons of opportunity" in scenarios where you employ something as a weapon in the heat of the moment to defend yourself.
There are caveats though, in that your use of said weapon still has to be considered reasonable force and it can't be something that you carried with intent to use as a weapon in advance.
The law protects criminals in their criminal activity by making it illegal for a law abiding person to intervene with any robust action or equipment you might have to hand. While they might
The law is made by people who live in virtually crime free areas and probably have others protecting them.
Criminals be definition don’t abide by the law some laws only restrict and punish law abiding people. I wonder how many people have been stabbed with a Spyderco, cold steel or Benchmade etc…. Zero I bet.
When I was a 12 year old in the late 60's and in the scouts I used to have an axe on my belt and a 9 inch sheath knife strapped to my leg. Never got stopped once😁
I did however get a literal clip around the ear from a policeman for cycling on the pavement 😁
I recall, when I was a kid, one of the local biker types carried what can only be described as a sword. As far as I am aware, nobody really cared, least of all the plod. We simply didnt have the levels of hysteria around weapons as we have today. (Firearms licences were also far easier to obtain and very few things were excluded). Then people got scared and the law changed in favour of criminals because you never get what you expected when you ask for more safety/security.
@@ukbiker1631 Just what changes are benefiting criminals ? Can't see them myself.
@@davecooper3238 You cant see it? Criminals do not obey the law. When ,members of the public could own and carry weapons, the playing field was level. Now it is tilted towards the criminal.
@@ukbiker1631 I don’t ever remember carrying anything that I would describe as a weapon for use against people. We used to take throwing knifes to school. Not as weapons but to play stretch.
We also carried sheath knives as part of Scout uniforms. But I don’t remember anyone even considering using them as weapons.
Same with shotguns.
Unfortunately the world has changed. The laws needed to keep up. Used to be that someone could say. ‘Sorry forgot I had the knife on me.’ Almost impossible to prove otherwise.
The only thing the school said about stretch was. ‘Get injured. Find you own way to hospital.’
@@davecooper3238 By some fluke I managed to convince my parents the perfect knife for Scouts was a copy of a commando dagger which differed only in that instead of the ribbed metal hilt had a 'traditional' sheath-kife type compressed leather rings.
One evening coming home on the bus a 'rather strange gentleman' decided although there were plenty of seats empty, he would sit with me.
We talked (I was wary) he asked 'Where are you going' I asked him the same he told me and I replied 'I'll be getting off before that'.
but
He followed me off at my stop.
I went on lent on a lampost - Cleaning my nails with my damn great double sided knife making sure it was very visible whilst staring him in the eyes.
He turned around and walked away.
Today I would be called a thug or such simply for that clear 'threat' ~ which at the bottom line was simply a counter threat, a warning not to try it on with this kid.
*NOW let anyone tell you the law toady is 'better' * .
An Englishmans home is his castle. Break into my castle and I will defend my castle with whatever I can find.
If you break the law by breaking and entering, you should be classed as an outlaw and shouldn't be protected by the law.
It isnt and you are. Weak people demanded laws to keep them safe. Laws dont protect anyone unless they are enforced and we all know how much use the police are these days.
Me my mate was coming back from shooting once and there was a woman copper that found a 3inch folding knife in his car which is used as a tool for gutting animals etc and she was quite abrupt about him having it, but then we had two shotguns with us on licenses that are much more deadly so people just got no common sense.
If it was in you car and was there for a legitimate purpose, that copper was way out of line.
@@ukbiker1631 yes I know but she was checking everything out as if she wanted to get something on us but we was all legit… Also once I left salt in a small bag in my mates car as I used to put it on my boiled eggs while fishing of shooting and one day he was pulled by the cops but there was a different mate with him and they got roasted for it haha, the police was really suspect of this little bag of salt and even took it back with them to sample it pmsl, I was howling when they told me.
Always appreciate your take and advice on these issue. Sadly, I sometimes think that whoever said that the law is an ass knew what they were talking about. I have carried a small lock knife since the early 70's. During that time I've occupied management or senior management/director positions and have never carried this knife for defensive purposes, but as a very handy tool for a myriad of uses. Because our law makers appear to be inherently lazy, they create laws to address symptoms, not causes; this, in my opinion is why knife crime is little influenced by current legislation.
Well said.
we were taught in scouts to be prepared and carry a pen knife string and-such
"they create laws to address symptoms, not causes"
This. I'm not sure whether it's laziness or inadequacy that causes it, though.
@@bushcraftone7240 a pen knife in the common sense doesn't have a locking blade so you can't make that comparison.
@@Non-Stick_Pan was not making a comparison
just stating truth and facts
The attitude to knives in this country has been shaped by the law.
When I was young, many people carried small knives, usually known as penknives. All the adults in my family carried knives; men carried them in their pockets, and women in their handbags. Our teachers all had their penknives, and they were useful multi-purpose tools, not weapons.
We knew which knives could be used as weapons and normal law-abiding people did not carry them.
Before I retired, and after the passing of knife law in 1997, I was sitting at my desk cleaning my knife, having just cut an apple. One of the new young graduates saw the knife and asked, “Is that for self-defence?” I laughed, and explained that my knife could not be reasonably used as a weapon and would be far more likely to injure me than anyone else if I tried to use it as such.
I have owned that knife for more than 60 years, and it is perhaps fortunate that it falls within the legal category, because I will continue to carry it until I die.
I remember when flick knives were banned, probably in the late 1950s, and they immediately became fashionable among a certain group of teenagers.
I am quite confident that similar psychology is at work today, making it more likely that certain youngsters will carry offensive weapons, just to be ‘cool’, and when they carry them, they are more likely to use them.
While I agree with the aims of knife law, I believe that much of it is misguided, because nothing has been done to address the causes of violence.
Government cuts have increased poverty that we know correlates with increasing violent crime, and at the same time there have been severe cuts in the numbers of those who would otherwise be helping to prevent violent crime. We reap what we sow, and no amount of legislation will change that.
The problem with "reasonable force" is that it is ineffective. If someone bigger, stronger, better trained punches you and you punch back then you get a beating. You use a weapon to adequately defend yourself then you fall foul of the law, as it is no longer "reasonable force". So your only 3 options are to be humiliated, take a beating, or break the law. No matter how well trained you are, there is always a bigger fish, martial arts expertise does not mitigate this problem, and even Mr. Black Belt could fall foul of this type of situation. It is a lose-lose-lose proposition and aught not be. Every man should have the right to stand his ground vs bullies of any stripe and if that means using a weapon so be it. If the law does not support that man then the law is wrong.
What this demonstrates is that you do not understand what 'reasonable force' means.
Reasonable force can include a pre-emptive strike if you can justify it. But you would have to show that running away was not an option available to you.
@@dlevi67 Reasonable this, reasonable that, until emotions such as genuine fear come in. At this point the last thing going on in your head is ''will I use reasonable force''.
@@nixusthefurry Absolutely. But if you genuinely believed that force was necessary, you are half-way to proving your 'self-defence' case. What is not true is that - as the OP here asserted - if you use a weapon you are automatically not using reasonable force.
@@dlevi67 that makes sense( unless i misunderstood your comment sorry i am tired XD) , what bugs me is that you cannot prepare for such an event in advance. My home country Poland ,Czech republic and ofc famously the USA all allow some form of premptive equipment to be carried. UK as far as i know is the only nation with a head up its arse about even pepper spray. That is genuinly bothering me because it sends a very clear signal that we want you to be dependant on US, for your ''protection'' cuz we have the training blah blah blah (as if there are no courses in defensive uses of various items for civilians. the police are not special.) that is one thing that is just straight up insulting. and the Vaugness of it all too.. ''reasonable'' ''proportionate'' ''Reasonable man'' like wtf. The issue never seems to be at the time of the defence (who has time for thinking about that??) its always dealing with bullshit afterwards by the looks of it. Idk im not a fan of this law. uwu
My dad got found not guilty of attempted murder.
His 2 cats were mutilated by his next door neighbour and left outside his front door.
My dad returned the favour out on him.
He spent 6 months remand in Belmarsh.
The jury at the Old Bailey favoured my dad as some were cat lovers and were brought to tears when 2 pictures of his cats were held up.
The next door neighbour perished six weeks after the case from the stress and his injuries.
The moral of this is do not chop up my dads precious pets.
Carrying around a set of keys for 'self defence' is a crime too.
Only if you say they are for self defence
Only if you are incredibly stupid and tell someone that that is your intention.
@@ukbiker1631 exactly, same goes for a knife.
I have a Swiss Army knife in my trumpet case - it has been extremely useful over the years as a tool to cut gaffer tape, to repair broken music/mic stands - to use the blade to tighten loose mic stands .. it is part of my Batman-esque "utility strip", which includes medical supplies.
As a fellow self-employed, you know what I'm talking about.
I have never had cause to use my knife to defend myself, but it's there if I need it.
I shouldn't be criminalised if a moron decides to attack me, and I use my knife to defend myself.
The thing is, you will be punished to the fullest extent of the law. The "moron" that attacked you will be let free. Welcome to the UK.
If you use a swiss army knife to defend yourself, you should probably just give up. You are more likely to hurt yourself. Use the mic stand instead.
If we were all equal under the law then how can a VIP that has armed protection be allowed to shoot a person? That action is extremely excessive. Clearly not reasonable force.
We aren’t.
In the early 1980s my brother came home from a school trip to France with a gruesome looking knife. My mum blew her top and went the school. Apparently ALL the kids had bought one. They were confiscated.
The way I interpret it it is illegal to defend yourself in the UK, there is nothing you can carry to protect yourself that is legal. You must use "reasonable force" without anything against a knife or gun wielding attacker. The law is there to protect criminals from the law-abiding citizens. YOU MUST NOT TAKE THE LAW INTO YOUR OWN HANDS or the law will decend upon you heavily. Only criminals and police officers are allowed to do as they please and get away with it. The law as it stands is not fit for purpose.
I could not agree more!
The knife laws in the uk only apply to law abideing people who are easy targets for the police .where as the criminals do what the hell they want and the police are afraid to get involved .
They sure as f are it takes 20 of them to stop a homeless guy with a stick, how could you trust them with your life?
What if you built an emergency kit for the car - Maybe a torch, some tools, some rope and a knife to cut that rope - And you left that kit permanently in the boot of your car? Is that a "good reason"?
Yes. And so is anything sharp within reach of anyone in the car who might need it to cut the seatbelt in an emergency such as after a crash when the car is on fire, on it's side in a ditch, in a river, the sea, etc.
I'm glad I grew up in a place where you could do anything you wanted as long as it made sense. It was amazing.
Those were NOT good times! Policing was slack then and worse now, a complete overhaul is needed.
Better to be judged by twelve than carried by six.
So essentially defending yourself in the UK is against the law. Got it.
Yep .
3:27 also the idea of it been under 3i nch is at the discretion of the cop as from what i have seen and heard most cops dont actually understand half the laws they are meant to be enforcing or they are just trying to fill a quota or they have decided they want a quiet night filling in paperwork instead of dealing with drunk partygoers.
A cop can use discretion not to arrest or charge you but a cop cannot find you guilty. If you cant convince the cop, you get a second go - to convince a court.
The fact that this law even exists is scary, what kind of oppressive nanny state has the UK become? That a box cutter is illegal.
A very oppressive nanny state verging on full-on socialist.
I agree about it being a nanny state but remember that they used box cutters to take the planes on 9/11.
@@requiscatinpace7392but that's not the intended purpose of a box cutter. Here in the United States in most cases box cutter knives are used by construction workers or people working in delivery/supply business. It's intended as a tool.
@@可口可乐02 that doesn’t mean they can’t be utilised as a weapon which was my point. They are useful utility tools but they still can’t be incredibly dangerous. In the UK we can’t own guns so we stab each other, usually it’s with a kitchen knife which is also a useful tool not designed as a weapon.
15 Years ago I was attacked by a school bully who followed me through town and into a public space, he attacked me from behind without me knowing and stabbed me in the side of the head (through my ear) turns out he used a key in-between his fist.
The guy ended up being charged with, assault with a deadly weapon, GBH, and even attempted murder due to the injury being so close to jugular artery in my neck. So ended up convicted and sent to prison.
So even something as small as a house key can be classed as a deadly weapon if used with intent to cause harm.
I am a ret officer and I regularly watch your excellent videos, it could be said you perform a public service and I am sure you both help and clarify some misunderstood and contentious issues for many of us.
That latter half of your discussion, the use of force at home, sounded like you were alluding to that specific case in Norfolk way back in 1999 I think, where a gentleman shot a burglar in the back, killing him. I have to say I'm on the side of the homeowner in that particular situation. When an individual breaks the law by breaking into your property, offensive weapon or not, I personally wouldn't blame the homeowner for defending their property, however they applied their method of defence.
The homeowner was initially jailed but then later released after a public outcry. The "powers that be" have kept very quiet about this one and I'm sure the Black Belt Barrister knows all about it - but is sensibly staying quiet as well.
I carry my "self defence" axe everywhere with me. Along with my "self defence" flame thrower
I drive a tank.
When I was a child, it was a normal thing to own/carry a penknife, and no one considered that to be a weapon... it was a tool, used for all manner of things, from fashioning a stick into a toy, making a new tent-peg or cutting string, opening packaging, whatever! At what point did this become a weapon?
I always found the law regarxing locking blades stupid, as a blade lock is a safety feature to protect the users fingers from the blade closing. That said i spent years working in the woods and often go camping and do bushcraft as a hobby so my local police know that if they see me oyt and about with a knife it's for legal reasons, though i usually make sure it's in my pack until im in the woods, but i have accidently left it on my belt once or twice which has led to a couple of jokes with the older officers and new recruits. My favourate will always be the time i was waved through a random stop and search, and a young officer noticed the bulge on my hip to which his senior replied "yeah we're not searching him it's way too much paperwork" (he knew i was on my way from one job teaching a survival class, to another teaching martial arts and doing a weapons demonstration so had enough sharp things in my bag to equip an army lol)
You have just described a "Good reason" ... and the police can (but don't have to) take I forgot as a reasonable excuse ...
In my job, we aren't allowed to use non-locking knives for H&S reasons. We have one locker, but it will in most cases be on the other side of the very large site I work on. I am expected to add another half hour on to my day to put my knife and other kit in that locker? Instead I bury the knife in my work bag and head straight for my car putting the bag in the boot. Good knife/bad knife is nonsense too. It's going the same way as Firearms legislation. We should look at who is possessing the knife and why, and work from that point alone. The actual design, which is mostly form, function and safety feature in most cases is an irrelevance.
had a friend, biker so always looked at with suspicion, always had a small knife in a belt holder, one day jumped in his car to go pick up a friend from the airport and forgot ...his day got interesting lol
_"a blade lock is a safety feature to protect the users fingers from the blade closing"_
Yes, when stabbing into things... That's kind of the point.
A non-locking knife can do just about any task an everyday person would need one for (cutting things open, slicing, scraping, etc) while being impractical for stabbing people because the blade will fold shut on their fingers under the force.
The key point here being "everyday person".
Outliers exist who would practically need a locking knife, which is why the law allows people to carry them so long as they can provide "good reason" for doing so.
Lucky local plod are aware of your hobbies and I’m guessing you have a good rapport with them. Sensibility from both sides goes along way.
So, in a nutshell, you have no right to put yourself in a position in which you MAY be able to defend yourself?!?
Welcome to the UK mate.
Yes. Just call the police and hope they get there quickly enough!
Is that not what the law recommends?
To be fair, anyone who carries a 3 inch folding knife for "self defence" is likely to be disappointed. More likely to hurt yourself!
As a barrister i would really like you to cover the law around Human Rights and the corruption in our midst, and how we THE PEOPLE can hold THEM accountable. Thank you!
Oliver Cromwell springs to mind
Human rights are over powered by the many. Voting was unheard of in 1649 but democracy (the many) killed King Charles 1st. The ballet box is a peaceful democracy where people count each side and concede when out numbered. Westminsters (claim of) democracy is a claim that the majority want to over power your human rights.
We are in the midst that Westminster is not considered democratic when people abject on mass to something that was never agreed to on mass in the first place.
The British justice system was aware of Ruperts quest for Brexit and Lord Leveson himself made a cheeky reference to editorial *inclusively* at the hacking inquiry. None of them had the power to stop it!
I have drawn a line under justice. It is shocking what goes on in plain sight.
Thanks for clearing up the law in the UK with regard to knives.
indeed, way too many tiktokers only read 3", not the folding , non locking bit, we were very lucky to retain Swiss Army knife style tools last time, BBB does help to clear up many minutiae concerning these matters.
@@WessexBladesHandMadeKnives .
Many people see what they want to see and not necessarily what is actually there.
Personaly I would rather do time in prison than be a victim or worse still lying on a mortury slab .
@@homie3461 it's called being born and growing up in dangerous areas
Depends on the Stanley knife, ones we have are a safety version. So are spring loaded to automatically retract when released. But are still not legal as not folding. So still worry when I get home and find it still with me. If I want to use at home for DIY, normally put at bottom of bag so can't be accessed quickly.
There is an exception for knives used for work... so longnas you as going directly from your job to your home... that said depending on your local police and how much honnest you are with them they do give some leeway such as popping into a shop to grab something.
Heck inwas once stopped while walking home after a weekend in the woods, when the police asked if i had anything on me i simply replied that i had a machette in my bag, a bushcraft knife on my belt and a multi tool in my pocket, then explained how i had been camping. After they confirmed what i had on me they offered me a lift home as it was getting late
An umbrella, in the wrong hands, is deadly!
as is a sweeping brush
@@bushcraftone7240 as is a ladys stocking if it is used to strangle someone . I personaly would be very upset if they were made illegal.
Especially if you're crossing a bridge in London 😂
Oh dear. I was a soldier for 23 years. A knife (a fare bit longer than 3 inches) is a very useful thing to have in the field. Nothing to do with the offensive/defensive aspect of it. Basic field craft requires a decent knife. If I went walking in the hills, I would consider a decent strong knife in a scabbard as essential as a first aid kit and an emergency basher (that's a waterproof cover, not something to hit someone with). The UK really has become a treacherous place for a (I almost said law abiding but I guess you wouldn't be) decent man, with no ill intent, to negotiate.
Logic dictates that a valid reason would be permissable for someone as yourself.
However, if you were a dope smoking and general law breaking menace to society, the chances of them carrying a knife to scrape the dirt from under their fingernails would be questionable!
@@hannahjames3180 No, from what our friend has just said a fixed blade knife of any length, let alone one of 5 or 6 inches, inside my day bag for cutting string, cleaning off a twig or stick to make it useful would not be considered a valid reason to have such a "weapon". As an aside, the military police/movers seemed to enjoy taking knives from soldiers (because they left it on their webbing where it belonged (rather than sending it with an arms bundle through the Company armoury) when getting on a military flight to go to an operational theatre. I have known a good few mates lose a nice Kukri that way.
@@williamvorkosigan5151 I'm speaking in an ideal world.
Obviously professionals wear them on tool belts etc when on site or working on residential properties and may walk to the shops wearing it. Common sense should prevail there.
Cars are dangerous weapons as are cycles, yet we don't see enough being done to address issues there.
@@hannahjames3180 That is not what is being said. In my experience, common sense never prevails. A penknife was a permanent fixture to my working belt. I got on a military flight to Kosovo and forgot to put my penknife in my Bergan for hold baggage. Regulations say knifes are not allowed in the passenger cabin on the plane. The military movers confiscated all penknife's from soldiers who like me gave it no thought. I also have a metal travel Knife Fork and Spoon. The knife with persistence can saw through a piece of meat. As a weapon it would be more likely to injure me as my hand slid down the handle and over the serrated edge of the blade than anyone I was daft enough to try and stab. Again, not allowed in the passenger cabin.
@@williamvorkosigan5151 I lost two good knives to the RAF police because they make up the law as they go along. They have no concept of the difference between illegal to carry in public and illegal to own. They also dont seem to recognise that a flight is going to/coming from an operational theatre. No point arguing with them, I just bought replacements perfectly legally the other end of the journey.
If I was American I would PMSL.
But I'm a UK citizen and this is disgusting.
So if you're being attacked and your life is in danger... What do you do? Just tell the attacker to wait while you call the police I guess
My friends daughter was murdered in WOOLWICH HIGH ST she was in her young 20's with an affro combe , she died at the scene and the person (now serving) was clearely aware the 5"steel spike she carried wasn't for vanity it was a leathal weapon and she knew she could carry this with impunity
This one reminds me of something that happened to me in the late 80's, early 90's. I was working as an apprentice joiner on a building site, I was late for dinner so just took off into town with a fully loaded tool belt, hammer, axe Stanley knife and chisels, not thinking anything about it. I got called over by the police, but after explaining, all they said was to make sure to remove the tool belt next time. I guess I got lucky. :-)
When you had coppers who had a real job and life before joining up and they understood how to serve justice.
I carry a knife. Its for work. Like cutting open boxes/delivery's etc. I've been arrested 3 times for having a pointed article in public and 3 times I've been acquitted by magistrates with common sense. If I carry a hammer its a tool until I threaten or beat someone with it. Show me an item that isn't a weapon in the wrong hands. I carried both locking and fixed blade. Funny thing is when the police took my tiny pocket knife as an offensive weapon. A knife with mm blade exposure. They left me with a tactical repeating crossbow. The law is an ass. Fact
Had no idea it had gotten this bad. So what, an assualter is just allowed to beat you up and you can't do anything for fear of hurting them slightly more than they hurt you?? wtf is this logic cmon
Well thanks for clarifying this. I have on a few occasions walked into a shop or supermarket at the end of my day as an electrician with a Stanley knife in my pocket after putting it there whilst working off a set of steps and forgetting about it. So it looks like I will have to in future make sure it is back in my tool bag before going home.
As a handyman I live in constant fear of this. It's so easy to have a Stanley knife in your pocket at the end of the day.
@@samhardy6030 Indeed. Today I found a small blade insulated screw driver in my pocket that I forgot about. Could this be regarded as an offensive weapon when I was shopping
love my maglite 4d torch to see where im going at night
So can we carry a folding/non-locking pocket knife under 3” for random tool tasks like cutting food, opening packages etc or not? Sounds like you’re says yes but no.
Yes, there is no grey area here. Unless you tell someone you are carrying it for self defence, then you have screwed yourself.
Turns out that laws don't apply to criminals! Wow, who would have thought!?
But don't worry, if someone is guilty of the heinous crime of for example, stating facts, you can send them to prison instantly!
Really useful video. I take my kids on a lot of picnics and forest adventures and alway carry a little slip joint (ie non locking, non automatic) knife with me for den building, food prep etc. I also carry a multitool with a locking knife when at work which leaves my pocket as soon as i get home. Its scary how ma y people don't do their research and will carry a locking knife day to day.
If a person is in your home with a knife, you don’t know what their intentions are, and they are very likely not good. I think you should be able to incapacitate that person to protect your wife and children. If the person dies as a result, well they shouldn’t have been in your home in the night with a knife out. They weren’t going to use it to cut cake with.
What if a knife is in the bottom of bag, with no intention 🤔
Is just carrying it an offense?
Yes.
The law here is a preventative one.
therein lays ye issue
just carrying a knife ye law implies intention of using to cause harm automatically making you a criminal
intention is sometimes very hard to prove
i recommend getting a copy of Oxford dictionary of law 2022 10th edition
it has
self-defense
intention
use of force
Yes if you don't have a good reason to carry it
This is a clear case of guilty untill proven inocent no matter what the ''lawmakers'' tell us to the contrary.
www.gov.uk/buying-carrying-knives
Would love for you to do the same type of video on Mace/Pepper spray.
Many people do not realise that it's banned uder the firearms act and the punishment for carrying it and god forbid actually using it.
Which is insane because prepper is not lethal. I think we can carry that identifier spray stuff. That’s probably only because it might make the police’s job easier if they ever get around to investigating anything that isn’t a naughty word crime.
No video needed. It is illegal. there is no grey area.
@@ukbiker1631 The consequences of carrying/using it is what people do not understand.
A lot of people think "Oh it's just spray, no big deal".
However it's the same as carrying a gun and/or shooting a gun.
Punishment wise:
Carry spray = Carry gun
Shoot spray = Shoot gun
@@ric0h777 Like I said, there is no grey area here. It is illegal.
It's all about intent. I've got a small Leatherman type tool with a knife in it. It's a tool that lives in the tool bag in my bike, with spanners, screwdrivers and sockets ...and it only comes out of the tool bag when I need to use the tool.
If it has a locking blade it's illegal to carry.
Is hiking, camping and day-walking or traveling to a hiking location a "good reason" for having a fixed-blade >3 inch knife, multitool and locking saw inside your rucksack?
When worn as part of the national dress of Scotland, the sgian-dubh is legal in Scotland, England, and Wales: in Scotland under the Criminal Law (Consolidation) (Scotland) Act 1995 s. 49(5)(c); in England and Wales under the Criminal Justice Act 1988 (s. 139) and the Offensive Weapons Act 1996 also an exemption in UK law on the Kirpan
I think even a pen or pencil can be an offensive weapon if it can be proven you are carrying it with the intent of it being self defence? I would say never carry anything for self defence (legal or otherwise) that you have not trained with. From a kubotan to a knife to a gun, if you plan to not surrender, you must practice with, train with whatever methods you plan to use. The general law in the UK is the only thing you can carry in the UK for self defence is something that is to make a noise and bring attention to you.
How does the law state that if someone breaks into YOUR home and you use force to remove them that is deemed disproportionate then you are liable to prosecution…….the law should be that if a scroat chooses to break into YOUR home it’s at their risk and therefore the home owner can do whatever they like, and for as long as they like until they feel that particular scroat has learnt their lesson. Only in this country do criminals have more rights than the law-abiding tax paying British citizen to provides for their family. If they broke into my home they would only do it once!!
So what if you have left your door unlocked and someone has come in, perhaps intoxicated or suffering from dementia, and believe they have come into their own house.
Does this give you carte blanch to injure them?
If a person carries a knife for self defense, it's for defense, not offense. Duh! This is is written from the perspective of a woman from Texas. We are allowed to defend ourselves, if necessary, here.
American laws are significantly different. Texas laws in particular. In the UK we cannot carry ANYTHING for the purpose of self defence. I know that that is an odd concept for a Texan and, quite frankly, as an Englishman, I think it is nonsense too. Its not as if we can rely on our useless police force to protect us. You have far better police response in Texas AND the ability to defend yourselves robustly should you need to. But watch out for Californians and New Yorkers trying to change your laws and disarm you.
@@ukbiker1631 yes, they are! I have a dear friend who lives in Beccles. She thinks our laws are ridiculous and sees no need of anyone having a gun. And, I wish she were correct in those lovely liberal thoughts of hers. We do see eye to eye on many things but healthcare and gun control, not a chance. 🤣
Oh, and we're keeping an eye on all those ppl moving into Texas. They are moving to mostly liberal area like Austin and Dallas and they can't hurt us, too much, from there. The Bill of Rights takes care of the rest of them. They would have to abolish all of it and there's only a relative few of the ppl here who are that crazy!
Thanks for your reply and I am sorry that criminals won't follow your gun and knife laws. How criminal it is of them!😉
Have a great night, or day, if you get this tomorrow. 🙂⚖️
#blackbeltbarrister There have been two separate cases locally in which people have been charged with murder and the defenents claimed self defence. In both cases they were aquited of murder but were sentenced for carrying a bladed item.
Thank you for another excellent video. I collect knives, which I keep in a secure place at home, some of which are very useful as I have densely wooded gardens. A couple of these were sold as "UK legal carry" on the Website. That's a term which causes me a little concern and I wonder if that gives rise to the misunderstandings you outline here? My own strict policy is to never carry a knife of any sort and thankfully, I don't consider myself to be a very attractive target to any would-be assailant on account of getting on a bit. The majority, if not quite all knife crime in the area of Croydon is committed by the gangs of youths. As a child, however, I used to have various sheath knives attached to my belt most of the time and never even considered them a weapon, just that we made camps in the woods etc..
It's a shame places that sell knives and tools in the UK don't make it easier to buy 'UK Legal Carry' stuff more easily. Heinnie and Cyclaire have sections for this, but Amazon SUCKS. I'm generally only interested in multi tools, and I doubt I'll need to buy more unless I lose some, but finding UK legal ones wasn't easy.
What about National Dress? My understanding is that a Skaen Dhu (sock knife) or a Dirkh (dress short sword) are exempt. Although Ive never worn a Dirkh, I do wear a Skaen Dhu in public. Do I face possible chareges?
Yes, Neither of those items would be legal to carry unless (Maybe) if you were in full highland dress at the time for a specific reason.
You may wish to consider convertion to Sikhism.
They are required by their religion (on quite sensible historical grounds) to do & wear/carry several things.
Hence never cutting hair, have a beard, wear turbans and carrying, well historically a sword but I doubt its been revised to folding penknife under 3inches.
Once again, this is the difference between someone reading the law, (normally, just the bit they deem relevant), and someone understanding the law.
The law is absolute bollox, I carry a small gerber multi tool and it has a small blade about 1&1/2 inches long, but because this blade ‘Locks’ into place when opened it is illegal to carry around.
So instead of carry it on my belt for which the dammed thing is designed for, I have to carry it in the boot of my car.
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Wouldn’t it be nice is all of those in the legal profession [like lawyers] decided that instead of benefitting from the lucrative work that these stupid laws produces, to actually help repeal this ridiculous legislation that criminalises normal honest law abiding people.
Couldn't agree more, it's made that we need to justify ourselves on why we are carrying a simple and useful tool.
Hi BBB, would love to get your take on the Leatherman Knifeless Rebar. Every site claims it is UK EDC legal, however it does have a locking saw, which could be classed as a "blade"?
Frankly I'd be curious too though usually just mini multitool for small engineering tasks.
It is legal. Blade is short enough and its a saw blade not a knife
how can a craftsman not be able to have a wave or a surge?
Hi@@sudsey6713, the problem is the law does not specify a Knife, it refers to a “bladed product”, which is defined as
(a)is or has a blade, and
(b)is capable of causing a serious injury to a person which involves cutting that person’s skin.
I'd wager that it's illegal. A locking blade is a locking blade, especially as it's jagged. The thought of defending that one in a court, fills me with dread.
When someone is convicted of a crime, the penalty for having a knife with them is never added to their sentence
It wouldnt be regarded as a separate crime but rather as an aggravating factor in the primary offence.
More people in juries should know that they can find a person not guilty in cases like that.....
If somebody breaks into my house they are risk to my family and me.
The risk will need to be removed.
Clear as mud. Is it or isnt it legal to have a folding pocket knife (no locking etc etc) without good reason?
Copper- ‘why are you carrying this screwdriver, son?’
‘It’s for tightening the screws on my lock knife, officer’
How does this law work with kitchen knives? I personally like a large knife to cook with, but this law seems to make the transportation of any knife from a store to my home a criminal offence. I am aware it would be unlikely that I would get stopped and that it being in some form of packaging would make it look to a logical person as if I were taking it home but people get done for even more petty things. Should I be worried? Is there a clause that allows for this?
Being Scottish if I'm wearing my kilt, which I often do, I can wear a Sgian Dhu, a Highland Dirk and a Basket Hilted Broadsword as bladed weapons are allowed when they form part of a National (or religious) dress/costume.
Many countries using the English law system also have the ridiculous rules of not being able to carry anything for self defence, NZ, Australia etc.
Whilst in the US I saw first hand an attempted carjacking and potential knife murder get stopped instantly by the victim who was a concealed gun carrier. From that point onwards I went from a brainwashed doubter to hardcore believer. I follow the law but I am a stout supporter of law change in favour of the lawful citizen to allow carrying of weapons for self defence.
I am from the US living in the UK. I carry a Swiss Army knife around. It's a tool. I use it frequently as such. I keep it in my back pocket. Are you telling me this is illegal, because it is "concealed" in my back pocket? Also, if by some stretch of the imagination I get attacked by someone and I happen to use it to help me defend myself I can be criminally charged!!? What kind of idiotic country is this, anyway? What if I punch my attacker with my fist and I break his jaw? Is that criminal, too?
My son in law tells me that if I get mugged and insult my attacker I can be charged with a crime for that, too.
Apparently, doing anything other than running, or just laying down to let my attacker have his way with me, is illegal. Madness.
You will probably be charged if you call him a nasty name as well 🤣
No, it is not illegal to carry if the blade is under 3 inches and does not lock. Nor is having it in your pocket considered concealed. But you are right, the law here is insane.
Is there no consession for carrying a weapon in traditional dress?
As an example, in full Highland dress to a wedding? In Scotland there seems to be an acceptable that carrying a sgian-dubh for the sole purpose of completing the full Highland dress.
I know while in England I have worm full Highland dress to Mess functions in the Military and the wearing/ carrying of the sgian-dubh is fine on camp so long as the " weapon" is not drawn.
Sometimes I carry my lawyer with me when I'm outside. Since the purpose is for self defence, does this also make them an offensive weapon? Or do I have a reasonable excuse? If my lawyer beats someone up to defend me for example, will I be liable as they have been used as an offensive weapon? Or is it self defence?
Anyone breaking into an occupied house should expect any and all consequences and the occupants should be able to do whatever they want
The problem with someone breaking into my home is I have no idea as to their intent. Are they opportunists trying to nick a laptop or are they here to kill my family. Whats more if they dont immediately flee upon alerting me I have to assume the latter and act accordingly. Id rather live with those consequences than hoping theyd run and something worse happens. To that end most rooms in my house have something ordinary that ive placed there to give me an advantage versus an attacker. A weapon is a force multiplier and equaliser and also a great deterant.
The law is the law, i will defend my home as I see fit.
I'd never carry a weapon outside. But as they say a mans home is his castle and his right to defend.
The reality is criminals will likely have a weapon. Its your duty to make sure you protect your family and guarantee their safety. You simply cannot take the risk and give them the agency.
There are also so many drugs that mean people wont feel fear or pain. How would you feel if that person did something horrific and you could have prevented it but were scared of the law?
As I say. Im no vigilante. But I will protect my home.
Thanks, how do we start the process to change this law?
Once again, a fair number of commentors seem to have forgotten that you have three chances to "get away with it". The first is to not attract the attention of plod in the first place. The second is to convince the police that you have a legitimate reason for being in posession. (A bit hard if you are a 16 year old drug dealer and have a 6 inch chefs knife hidden down your trousers). The third is to convince a court that you had a legitimate reason (a judge may be more reasonable than an over-enthusiastic copper if you actually do have a legitimate reason). In all cases, staying calm and acting sensibly is a key element in your likelihood of getting away with it.
If you consider having to spend time and stress attending court to be no big thing and "getting away with it" then sure but I consider being forced to attend court a punishment in and off it's self and unreasonable to be forced on innocent people for petty things.
I'm a retired mechanic with 40+ year old motorcycles. Whenever I'm out on one of them, I always carry tools, including a multi-tool with a folding, non-locking 2.5" blade. If I tried stabbing anyone with that, I'd be more likely to cut my own fingers off, so I don't think anyone would interpret that as an offensive weapon.
Question, purely out of interest. If you had a folding pocket knife that followed the legal specifications, and you did end up instinctively using it in self-defense despite that not being why you had it in the first place, could you not argue it falls under instant arming?
Knives on the street are bad news please stop carrying and using them 👍
Good reason, down to the judges bias "Ambiguity is the enemy of progress"
Could I ask a question? What about a UK legal multi-tool with non-locking tools, including a knife that is kept in a car for maintenance? Is there a problem with that as it isn't on your person.
Anything could be used as a weapon a pen pencil even a tea spoon or could be a pair of shoes you've just bought the list just goes on, love your video's
Aren't lock knives legal too? I carry one incase I see a car crash and have to cut through a seat belt or if I see a dog tied to a post on a got day with no water and have to cut a leash
No, they are not.
6:49 what about bodily autonomy? My body is my own I shall defend it in the way I should choose and not down to the decision of Parliament
Guilty until proven innocent? All depending on the perception of anyone but yourself.
You are innocent if you are not carrying a blade or offensive weapon. If you are guilty but can show legitimate reason then you can get let off. I hope that clarifies the situation.
@@ukbiker1631 That's clear enough Biker. But my point was, if like me one has memory issues, it's easy to forget what's in the back of a car. So if a bloody minded plod looks and finds what he wants to be a weapon, one has no chance. A man was stopped and charged for have an offensive weapon. It was his white stick, the man was blind. Has his stick taken, and was handcuffed.
I emailed your page weeks ago regarding this subject…… never heard a thing back
One thing I would like to know. Could you carry a small foldable pocket knife for self-defense AGAINST bugs? Like say if you were mortally afraid of bugs, maybe allergic to wasp stings, could you say tell the po po that you have this little pocket knife to defend you against wasps?
You would never win that argument ...
Wasps have lives Haha
@@noelward8047 wasp lives matter eh :p
Rolled up newspaper is the weapon of mass-destruction to use on any bug.🤣
@@xTerminatorAndy The Aphids disagree ...
as does anyone that has faced a belligerent wasp.
I have had one actually try to face me down.
Very strange interaction.
Guess the outcome Haha
If you can cut a wasp in half with a knife strike while it's flying in the air then sure.
Or you could just get something with some other tool on it and say it's useful for cutting rope and things. No need for a self defense argument
I wonder if you have a flick knife and only have one arm if a judge would see that as reasonable or whether they're forced to convict you.
In most cases, the law is pointless. I have a lock knife on me everyday as a work tool. Police are not interested, in fact I don't remember the last time I saw a member of the police force outside of a police car. Knife laws and the police need a real shake up.
I am quite entitled to carry this knife officer as I am a hitman and I'm off to work .
Being in posession of a bladed article in a public place? If it's just a useful gadget and is not carried for self defence, is clipped inside a zipped up pocket organiser with other gadgets and thumb drives etc, surely the fact of my knife meeting all the legal requirements, means I couldn't be arrested for having a "bladed article in a public place" because my knife is way under 3 inches, folds, does not lock and is not concealed as some other object etc? Else what is the point of the legal specification of a knife that can be carried in a public place without needing a good reason, if anyone can be arrested at any time for having a "bladed article"?! Seems like it would all be a sham.
I have the God given right to defend myself even if it means I have to break man’s laws.😊
If you are at home and someone breaks in at 4am, and starts coming up the stairs, you have to assume that they are equipped to deal with the home owner, so I think you would be within your rights to hit them with something heavy and blunt at the earliest opportunity, I think something sharp would be more difficult to justify as a first strike without warning.
What burglar? Nobody broke in to my house!
As the owner of the channel just said, this would be a "household" case, where the laws are rather different. You can use any object to defend yourself as long as it is not a prepared one (do not keep a baseball bat near your door)
What is your opinion on carrying a bushcraft knife for the purpose of doing bushcraft in the woods in my local area. This would typically be a 5” fixed blade knife. It would be carried to the woods in a bag containing other bushcraft items - hammock, firefighting equipment, cooking pots etc. Once in the woods it would be carried on a belt for easy access. I asked my local police for guidance and was told by a sergeant they would consider it an offensive weapon and I would be arrested. Seems wrong to me
Yes you can carry a uk legal knife on your persons and you will not be breaking the law.Eating fruit & using it to peel a apple opening parcels & other daily tasks.Totally legal to carry in your pocket.
Hello, BBB, I have in the past carried one or two scalpel blades in the coin compartment of my wallet. I have carried these blades to remove splinters, prickles and pieces of metal swarf. My hobbies include woodwork, wood turning and to a lesser degree some metalwork. A significant part of my wood-related hobbies includes foraging for materials, which finds me looking for lumps of trees, discarded furniture, and pallets. My question is, would I fall foul of the law by having these scalpel blades available to me, albeit in a sealed foil packet in my wallet or smartphone case? Thank you and thank you for your great content. Bob.
My son was stabbed over 128 times. There is a programme uploaded in the past couple of weeks covering his murder -see the title ‘ Horrific death of Alex Davies’. I would be interested to know your thoughts re the defence of mental health et al. My son’s killer purposefully took a paring knife from the parents house to murder him. Thank you. I do enjoy listening to your videos.
I'm truly sorry for your unexpected loss, being a parent I couldn't imagine having to deal with the life sentence you are now serving.
Sorrry to hear that ... may he rest in peace.
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