Hello Peter, I just purchased the UJK Router Lift for my Dewalt DW625. Axminister was kind enough to recommend the machine screws for the installation. Thanks to your review, it helped me make my decision. I plan to purchase the Professional Router table at a later time.
This is an excellent video. Thank you so much for putting it together with so much thought and clarity. I learnt more about router tables, fences etc. in 13 minutes than I managed in considerably more time spent reading through manufacturer's websites and online stores etc.
Hi Peter As every great video. Yes the NVR switch is a must have, a few years ago I invested in a number around the workshop and keep one spare, and introduce one between any machine that can be locked with power on, safety first (I had a switch fail in the one). I went a little further with my table and added some draws to hold cutters and all the keys, rings and bits that are associated with this work table. It also keeps the dust and dirt to the outside. (Faced in oak of course)
Hi Barry, After I got my NVR Axminster sold out of that particular model but now have an excellent range which includes the one with the 13 amp socket. Many thanks for the kind words. Cheers. Peter
Hi Peter, Many thanks for this video, absolutely excellent as usual. I have been trolling through so many reviews but you have told me everything I needed to know. Very instructive.
Terrific video. I plan to buy one after Christmas. It is very expensive as I am buying the router that's fits the extension table. really enjoyed the video.
Hi Jay, The fine adjustment is done entirely by the router elevator. The router is clamped in place on a plate in the elevator and one then uses the adjustment feature of the router elevator to adjust the height. It is very accurate and is easy to set to within 0.05 mm (more than enough accuracy for woodwork). I hope that this helps. Peter
Hi Tom The UJK kit is excellent - remember to ask Santa for the cast iron top and the router elevator! The extra cost is well worth it. I have just grabbed one of my lights - they have no name on the outside at all. I picked up a pair, for about £5, from a small car spares shop 5 years ago. They have a magnet on the back, white, red and flashing red modes. Far batter value than ones sold by the high end tool makers! There are loads of similar items around and all in the sub £10 bracket. Peter
Hi Peter, fine review as always. The UJK looks like a fine piece of kit. The key is the tablesaw-style fence that stays square. I went with the Bench Dog, best cast iron top I could find here in the US rather than the MDF top on the Kreg which has a fence nearly identical to the UJK. Mistake. I installed the router table in the wing of my tablesaw, so I was able to replace the Bench Dog fence with a homemade fence that attaches to the tablesaw fence. That ability greatly improves the accuracy.
hi Reg, if you go onto Axminster or Trends website they have a compatibility table for all routers and various attachments ,look for my Router Compatibility, click on that then simply scroll down to your router click on that then it will tell you all you need to know. ..I have found this very helpful.
I bought the UJK Router same system as you Peter less the extraction box. The only issue is with the phenolic inserts, after a few uses they jam in the plate. Buy new ones and they are fine for the first few users, then same happens.
Hi Jay, The problem with using any router without an elevator (as I did on my previous 2 router tables) is that fine adjusting is a nightmare. In the end I made up a special handle with a big nut on the end which matched the thread on the Dewalt router height adjuster. I could reach under the table to adjust that handle whilst checking the cutter height with a gauge from above. I am sorry that an elevator is out of the question for you but is really does save a great deal of hassle. Peter
I live in Singapore and the electrical system here is different which prevents me from getting one. I have a Makita router but I would love to have a professional router which is precise in operation. Thank you for your lessons on the router.
Hello Peter... I hate that you had to give up your UJK router table due to space issues. Had the same problem a few years ago. My solution was to make 2 French cleats and hang the lighter table and stand on the French cleats. I use a small electric winch bolted to a large beam with some block and tackle pulleys to lift it up and down and use two safety cables hooked into the ceiling beam to make sure it can’t fall. I use both tables at the same time for many projects and re-hang the second table when I am finished routing. It takes less than 5 minutes to take it down and the same to put it back up. And both are on locking casters so I can move them around the workshop. Ron
Hi Ron, I had to make the decision well before we moved house. We did not know what size workshop to expect at the new location and it was almost certain that it would be smaller. Now we have moved the new (and yes smaller) workshop would not have been suitable. All but one wall is drywall and I have decided not to fix cupboards or hang things from it as it is part of the very special soundproofing which I have to have in order to keep the neighbours happy. Cheers. Peter
looks nice, i have just been out getting one my self, but i went with the Festool CMS. because my shop is not that big and i can replace my table saw as well and give more room in my shop.
Clear and concise Video, thank you Peter. Its a superb piece of kit and clearly is going head to head with the Kreg Precision Table, but one big difference between the two (and disappointment for me) was the lack of Jointing facilities on the fence. It's a big 'miss' on UJK's behalf to my mind, the Kreg and Bench Dog (but hard to get in UK) both have this facility.
Hi Clive, Maybe I am in a minority but I have never needed a jointing offset for a router fence. When I use a bit that is going to take a layer off the whole face presented I have managed by either getting the fence exactly right (so that the "high" spot goes through against the receiving fence) or by accepting that the last couple of inches will be wasted (as the feed is controlled against the in-feed fence). Peter.
Peter Parfitt Thank you for the quick reply! I'm not sure I understood your comment "the "high" spot goes through against the receiving fence" wouldn't there be a small 'gap' between the piece and the receiving fence (equal to the amount 'planed' off)?
Hi Clive, My assumption is that one might be using a cutter with a shape of some sort rather than a straight cutter. One only needs to take enough off to create the shape of the profile. That would mean that the "high spot" has the least taken from there are would be within (say) 0.1 mm of where it started. So that part would be pushed against the out-feed fence and make little difference to the cutting process. Peter
Thanks Peter. I was referring to the routers own fine adjuster function, sorry if I was unclear. The router elevator wouldn't be a suitable option for me unfortunately. I would need to use the routers own fine adjustment function and I am interested to know how it works, whether you have direct control on the plunge with the fine adjustment or if it is just a fine adjustment stop. I know this is straying from your video somewhat but I am interested in hearing your opinion on the matter.Thanks
Excellent video Peter. Can you recommend a router for use with the UJK elevator please? I use a Dewalt DW625E, and have found that small cutters will not protrude through the elevator hole even on max adjustment. I have tried the router bit extension, but this introduces vibration. Your thoughts would be gratefully received. Thanks, Paul Bailey
Just seen these videos Peter, superb as usual and such detail that everyone can always expect the very best and most honest reviews from you. I didn't know about the dust box for the router but had thought that a wooden one with extraction above and below would be good. As for the lift, I will be going for the big Triton TRA001 Router, as it has the above table lift built in so the bits can be changed above the table with automatic cut off when the lift is fully extended. Not sure if you have reviewed that one but it saves the cost of an additional elevator/lift.
Hi Malcolm, I am not so keen on the dust box below the table and would prefer to use the dust port on the router for under the table and a port behind the fence for above. I have not seen the other kit that you mention. Cheers. Peter
I bought several from Axminster Power Tools about 15 years ago. They no longer have the exact ones that I bought - their item number 211367 is similar. Peter
Hi Jay, I cannot get at mine very easily as I have the dust collection box. I have used a mirror and a torch and it appears that the height adjuster socket is open under the table. But, the locking mechanism cannot be accessed from underneath as it goes into a blind hole. The beauty of the router elevator is the simplicity of adjusting the height and then locking it in position from above the table and so I cannot think why you would want to do this from under the table. Peter
Hi Peter, I watched a few of your videos, on this router table. I watched another this morning, which may have shown an upgrade for the dust box, where the cable outlet separates so you don't need to cut off the plug. You mentioned making some economies, though not the cheapest, the Trend T11 and T14 routers can be adjusted from above, and the T14 comes with an NVR switch. They may not be quite as accurate as you require, but would you recommend them, given your experience? I would like to see if you could design vents that could direct air straight to the cutter, and to the router cooling fan, using redundant vacuum cleaner nozzles and hose.
Hi Philip, I am afraid that I have no knowledge of the routers that you mention. Dust collection is a big issue when routing and I have found the best way is to use the router's built in dust port (which would be connected under the router table) and then a second collection hose at the back of the fence. Bit changes can be difficult and with the UJK table (with a Dewalt 625) I had to use a collet extension. If you do this get a good one as it does have to take some strain. I no longer have the UJK table as I have had to downsize. I now use the Festool CMS-OF which is lighter and more compact. The trouble is that Festool have discontinued it and there is no replacement as yet. Peter
I am not sure why most makers of under the router table "dust extraction boxes" have stopped making them; but it MIGHT be due to voiding of warranties by router manufacturers. Follow along: Whenever you enclose a router completely in a box and you are drawing dust filled (dirty air) particles throughout the innards and outwards of the router, there is NO way for the router "air intake" to get fresh clean air. Which is absolutely vital. While quality routers use sealed motor "bearings", this does nothing to stop wood chips, dirt, tar and grime from lodging between the armature and the field winding's, within the router's motor, etc. However the box is STILL a good idea; but the location of the intake was/is wrong. It (4" minimum hole) should be placed well ABOVE the fresh air input of the router. THEN a second hole (4" minimum) should be at the bottom of the "box". This then insures that the router's air intake (bottom) will be assured of a fresh, clean supply of air. But the dust extraction air flow port is now at the TOP side of box. In addition to improving dust collection efficiency, this bottom hole should have an adjustable blast gate on it, that allows one to regulate and maximize efficient dust collection and clean air flow through the router. IE: when you are "face" milling a board, such as grooving, there is little flow of suction air into the box. This means overheating of the router. With the above method this problem is eliminated. I have 4 under the table routers and all have and/or will have boxes using the above method. You can do this on any ready made "dust box". It works like a charm. Just be mindful that the blast gate at the bottom of the box, is allowing air to come IN to the box, not exit it. And there may be times when the blast gate will have to be near wide open to allow enough fresh, clean air to be drawn through the router and port at the top (side) of the box; to keep the router from over heating; not to mention sucking in dirty air through the router's air intake holes; which is the case now as they are designed. On the other hand, when you are using large diameter cutters; the blast gate will be adjusted almost closed; and just left open enough to permit proper router cooling. Adjusting of the blast gate at the bottom port now should become routine and adjusted correctly, after experimenting, balancing suction efficiency and motor cooling. In time it will become as automatic as setting your fence or cutter height, etc. For whatever it's worth. patdee
Interesting thanks. I built myself a home made box and I think I've broken my Triton router with it after only a couple of sessions use. Must have sucked dust through as you say. 😕
Thank you for all of your help Peter- The router elevator may now be back in the picture for me now although it depends. Is it possible to operate the height adjustment and height adjustment lock from underneath the table? I have seen some pictures and it looks like it might just be possible. Are you able to shed any light onto this subject?
Hi Peter, thanks for the detailed review. I noticed during your test that you've made a nice profile on that wood piece, would you mind telling me what type/brand of router bits are you using? Thank you.
Fantastic review, highly informative, clear and concise. Regarding the Dewalt DW625EK you say you use with the table- Could you please comment on its fine adjustment function? I have looked all over the internet and have failed to find any info on it. Is it an actual direct fine adjustment function where the turn of a knob directly corresponds to the router moving along its plunge axis or is it just a fine adjustment stop? Thank you.
Not directly. The sacrificial faces on the fence are in 2 pieces and it would be possible to shim one out a little of make up a slightly thicker (or thinner) sacrificial face to suit your needs. The main frame (aluminium extrusion) of the fence is in one piece and behind the sacrificial faces. Peter
Tim Brennan Hi Tim, I have not seen one close up but it does look good on the screen. I have found that The Woodworkers Workshop (just Google them) are really into Incra kit and it would not hurt to contact them as I am sure that they would provide good advice. Peter
Hi Peter ,great video as usual . I've been using the Festool cms system for many years and have been looking out for a slightly larger and with proper feather boards option but as precise as the cms. Is there any area it's not as good as the cms? Thanks for the videos and keep up the good work.
Hi David, The UJK table is super but the CMS OF has better dust collection. The fence on the UJK is much better but cutter changes are tricky. Many thanks for the kind words. Peter
Hi Peter. Firstly thank you for the excellent video - really well presented and filmed. I've just ordered the same table, but I'm still unsure about the router lift and dust collection box. Like you I had two musts - I had to have the cast table and also a way of adjusting the bit height without going under the table. So the UJK table came up the winner (nearly bought the Trend table with the T11).I've read on a popular UK forum that I'm a member of, a member complaining that dust collects in the chain and threads of the lift, and jambs it solid, rendering the handle/lift unusable. He is constantly going under the table to free the lift of dust from its innards.One suggested solution was the use of a dry lube.Now that you've had time to play with it, have you had similar problems?Jonny
Hi Jonny, I would not have the dust box in the future but would collect from the back of the fence and from a standard connection to the router dust collection port. That way the chain does not get coated. BTW my chain never got so clogged that it stopped moving freely. I did use dry lube. Workshop space meant that I had to get rid of one of my two router tables and the UJK was the bigger of the two. It was a sad day. Peter
Hi Peter, just been enjoying some of your older videos. I looking to get a router table and was wondering if the ukj one you have or festool one, you prefer using? Many thanks duncan
Hi Duncan, I had space problems in the workshop and had to go down to just one router table. The Festool CMS won for me. The UJK has a brilliant fence and the cast iron table is superb. The CMS fence is not so good but the dust collection is excellent. As space was the issue, the small footprint of the Festool CMS won the day and it does everything that I need. Peter
Great series of videos and very clear. Could you tell me if you have had any problems with keeping clean the chain mechanism of the router lift. I have seen some comments on other sites to that effect and I would be grateful for your opinion as I am considering purchasing the UJK table and lift.
Neil Simpson Hi Neil, I was a little apprehensive about using the Dust Extraction Box but have found, through trial and error, the best setup for me. There is an adjustable air inlet which improves the air flow to the extractor and I have found that it is "tuneable" to get the best dust pick-up from below the table. Despite this I do find that the router and chain can get some dust settling and so I give it a very quick vacuum, through the hatch on the Dust Box, about once a week. Other than that bit of routine housework the rest works brilliantly. Many thanks for your kind comments. Peter
Hi peter in Australia a shop sells a router bit like the UK router table. it sells around bit over $2000 dollars.with the router they sell in Australia it has side wonder so you can wind the router bit up or down. It has a cast iron table to dead flat.peter is the UK table made in England.?.
A great review Peter, thanks - this has already been added to the early Santa list. On a side issue, where could I source that wonderfully useful triangular lamp? Cheers Tom Stratton Ossett, West Yorks
Hi Peter, great presentation as always. I will look at UJK's cast iron table, but with a Jessem/Incra lift. Also, would like to fit an Incra dust box, and Incra router fence with LS positioner and mitre gauge. I would make my own timber cabinet with drawers for tooling. Also, possibly an AUK Tools 2400 w router with remote switching and speed control. Would appreciate you thoughts, and I would welcome your wisdom......do you have any advice?
Hi Len, Look closely at the dust collection. The best that I have experienced is when you collect at the back of the fence and from the router dust port below the table. I would not recommend the router sitting in a dust box as it covers every part of the router in dust. I think that the chain or screw drive for router lifting should be protected in some way from dust. Also, look at the ability to get a spanner on the collet. Avoid having to have a collet extension. Peter
I do need to have a rising table but the idea of those chains and thread covered with MDF dust and jamming is one that I worry about. I wondered if the trend T11 fine adjuster and plain table might do me better. Does it actually keep clean or does it need constant cleaning?
Dust does get on the chain but it is not a big deal. I clean mine off from time to time - not because it is a problem but because I want to prevent a problem - maybe once every 3 or 4 weeks. I know nothing about the Trend system you mentioned. Peter
Hi peter, its always great watching your videos,structure, informative and clear. Im in the market for a router table for site work and see you have your festool kit in this video. maybe its still there, maybe you still use it but if you dont use it i would be interested.hope this comment is not too bold. Thanks Jimmy Joiner
Hi Jimmy, You might like to try ebay. I have the Festool CMS-OF (the table) into which I have put their OF1400 router. It is a brilliant setup and very suitable for site work. I have taken mine to job sites but most of the time it is in the workshop. I would not part with mine especially as Festool no longer sell the CMS-OF part. Cheers. Peter
@@NewBritWorkshop Yes good morning Peter, and thanks for the response. I thought i would ask. Ive bought the UJK professional router table from Axeminster for my workshop after watching your review. Great review as expected. itll not travel too far but itll get me producing and i can always wait for Festool to produce a new Router table.
Hi Peter, good to meet you last weekend at Axminster Sittingbourne, (my wife was the one who insisted on taking a photo of us together). I’m looking to buy the UJK router table that you’re using here and was wondering what was the best dust extractor to use with it. I’m using the Festool ct26 for my tracksaw etc but obviously the hose on that is a lot smaller and deals with dust rather than chips. Would I need to hook the router table up to a dedicated chip extractor? Thanks
Hi Andy, It was great meeting you and your wife as well. I used a chip extractor for the UJK table but I think that the CT26 would be better at the back of the fence. Maybe using both would be the answer if you are using the dust box underneath. If you do not have the dust box then the CT26 with a split - one part to the rear of the fence and the other to the router itself. Good luck with the workshop. Cheers. Peter
Hi Peter, Did you ever get the 'Extended Table' Add-on that fits underneath the front of the table? If so could you do me a favor? I have purchased the same table top, but will be making a multi-drawer cabinet for all cutters, collets, spanners and jigs, etc. But I cannot find anywhere the physical size of this item so that I could work out the clearance required to allow for it, if you did purchase this option could you possibly take a ruler to it for me in passing. Just that Axminster are out of stock at the moment and no-one there has this measurement to hand. Thanks again for the great series of videos, you are costing me a fortune... (he he...)
Hi Peter - amazing videos, thank you. One question on dust extraction with the UJK router table set-up with the twin hose to dust box and fence.... Do you/did you connect your Festool vac to the 100mm dust port on the UJK system and if so, what hose arrangement did you use to you connect it and how effective was it?
Hi Tim, I used my Numatic NVD750 with a 4" connector to the dust box around the router. I found that the router and the drive chain for the router lift got covered in dust. If I were to have something like this again I would use a split hose from the CT26 and have one end connected to the dust port of the router and the other end connected at the back of the fence. I would not use the dust box. Having said that a lot of people had a great success with the dust box and it may be because they had a more powerful 4" extractor. Peter
@@NewBritWorkshop Peter - thanks for your rapid response! Fortunately, I have a big Felder extractor to call on with a 5" hose and plenty of suction in the workshop where the new UJK table will be located, so any dust in the box should be whisked away. However, there may be occasions when the set-up may have to be re-located to an adjacent space where the Felder can't follow. In which case, I'll follow your suggestion and set up my CT26 with a Festool split hose running to a dust hood on the router and the back of the fence. Hopefully I can run the router hose through the open door of the box. The advantage of fitting the hood is that it should prevent dust and small chippings from falling down and getting inside the router. I've no chain to worry about as the Trend T11EK I'm using has an adjustment facility that can be operated from above the table - there's just a 17mm hole to be drilled in the right place through the 10mm top plate and sub-base in order to connect to it when it arrives. Sorry to miss you at the Harrogate show - a fellow boatbuilding friend from the IBTC said how much she enjoyed meeting you.
Hi again Peter. I ordered the raiser - a fantastic thing and will be ordering the Dewalt 625 (after much consideration). Can I ask what collet extension you have on your video? And does this allow you to change bits without going under the table? I've not got my hands on the Dewalt so can't tell if it has one of those spindle locking buttons. I read that they mean going under the table to change bits. Thanks again for any advice or replies. Jonny
Hi Jonny, I had an old collet extension which proved to be dangerous (it actually failed) as it was too tall so I asked the technical people at Axminster for their advice. They recommended their own Axcaliber device which is what I went on the get. The beauty of this one is that the main body is made from a single piece of stainless steel and once you have it you can get all sorts of different inserts for other diameter of cutters without having to buy a complete extension each time. Here is the link: www.axminster.co.uk/axcaliber-router-collet-extension-1-2-shank-211367 With this firmly installed in the router there is no need to go under the table for cutter changes. Good luck. Peter
Hi peter! I was just about to purchase this router table from axminster but noticed most of the components are out of stock at the moment. And referring to your comment about (last few remaining) i am wondering if this particular model is to be phased out soon? Thanks, robert.
robert murray Hi Robert, The comments were about the MDF top. If you select the other tops you will see that they are in stock. The MDF top was not a popular option. Peter
Bernie NUFC Hi Bernie, I just did a quick check of the Axminster web site and it appears to me that they may be phasing out the MDF version. When selected as an option it says 'Last Few' and I can only find the MDF top available at Nuneaton and Sittingbourne. Stock of the phenolic and cast iron tops seem to be unaffected. Peter
Hi Peter, I haven't built my workshop yet, which to be an extension on the side of a new garage, but while it will be a reasonable size it won't be huge, so I have been investigating the Hammer C3-31 which is manufactured by Felder in Austria. It gets fantastic reviews, but it does mean I shall have a spindle moulder, but of high quality. I take your point about the cost of cutters, but there are always compromises whichever way you go. Have you come across Felder/Hammer in your travels? Steve
I have never owned any Felder/Hammer kit but I have heard a lot of people say how happy they have been with their machines. They have a good reputation as far as I can see. Peter
So Peter, I'm planning on buying a router table set up with the view to making a shaker style kitchen as my first project. I have been looking at the festool CMS system but when I priced the complete set I was stunned that with a router, it was a few hundred pounds short of £3000. Then I saw your excellent video on the UJK router table which seems to be more what I am looking for (my set up can be stationary). My question to you is that being in the enviable situation of having both systems in your workshop, which do you think is the best? Also, which DeWalt router are you using in your UJK set up? Lastly, do you have any advice on where to source/buy quality timber from for such a project? Many thanks, Matt
Hi Matt For mobile use and flexibility the Festool CMS wins every time. Remember that Festool kit is part of a system and so once you have the base unit you can add more and more modules. The router can be put in or taken out of the unit in 2 minutes and can then be used for other tasks. For your budget the UJK probably wins but go for the cast iron top. I use the CMT version of the Dewalt 625 which is a good router. You will need a collet extension of course. Once the router is in that setup it has to stay there. For timber you need to visit the timber yards in your area and check their prices and get a feel for the sort of people they are. Peter
Peter Parfitt Hi Peter, Similar to Evans I'm also just looking at getting a CMS with a 2200 in it, table and router were 1500€ (ex vat, i'm vat registered) in Belgium so that seemed not too bad, considering I can use the 2200 separately and get a few other inserts as time goes on. Maybe a sliding table/mitre is a must have? Would you go for the UJK over the CMS given the option? I'd like a spindle moulder, but as you mention you've got to go well over 3-4k for a good one plus tools for it. Maybe the CMS is a good step on the ladder as it were, and a spindle moulder could come in time if I have a more pronounced need for one? Space is no problem for me and at present i don't need to take it on site... Thanks for all your videos. It's funny after having 'grown up' internet wood working wise on the New Yankee workshop, David.J.Marks and The Wood Whisperer, to finally have a fellow UK woodworker putting himself out there. Good to see. All the best and KBO, Charlie
Charlie Whittuck Hi Charlie, First very many thanks for your very supportive comments - it really does help. I think in your situation the ability to use the router both in and out of the table tips the balance in favour of the CMS unit with the OF 2200. That router is the most fantastic piece of engineering and a joy to use - a real gentle giant. I have mine in the CMS-OF where it gives excellent service but is always available for freehand work if required. I hope that answers your question. I really hope to meet Norm Abram one day as I learnt so much from him. I liked his presentational style, his complete ease when working in the workshop and his ability to take you through all of the stages so logically. Cheers. Peter
Peter Parfitt Hey Peter, I'd love to meet Norm too, and maybe go to Nantucket or Maine to see a Shaker museum or two... They're on my pilgrimage list along with the Lie Nielsen shop. Few! I was hoping you'd say that. As much as I like the look of the router table I just can't help but feel it wouldn't be as much of a pleasure as the CMS with a 2200 in it, perhaps not as well designed either? I've looked at the 2200 in the shop and it's indeed massive, i'm curious as to how it would get used in a day to day setting, no doubt it's well suited to the job, vorsprung dutch technik and all that :) Looks like i'll need a solid job to get a spindle moulder another time, Felder one would be ace. Can we see your work anywhere online? Feel free to check out my whittling here! www.whittuck.com Thanks for your time, Charlie
Hi Peter, Well, I've been and gone and done it! Ordered my fully specced Ujk table this morning. Axminster no longer supply the dust collection box for some storage reason. Do you advise spending £157 on one from Amazon? I guess I mean is it a really efficient DX box? I'll no doubt be referring to your excellent assembly videos in a few days!
Chris Brickell Hi Chris, I know that I have and still use the dust box but if I had my time over I would just have the collection from above at the back of the fence and another one from the router itself. You could also make a box of your own just to contain any extra dust that might escape. I can think of many things that you should spend £157 on ! Cheers. Peter
Thank you Peter - my order has not all arrived yet. Due for completion in about a week's time as router table has to come from Axminster's North Shields branch. Everything else is here. I shall take your advice re dust collection and see how things go. Cheers Chris
Hello Peter. I,m struggling with which router table to buy. I’m fairly well invested in Festool products, but being in the USA and limited in the router size and raised panel router bit use I’m wondering if the ujk might be advised. Would love some advice . Love your site
Hi Michael, The UJK setup has a terrific fence and the cast iron top is fantastic. However, I think that the dust collection on the Festool table is superb and it is so easy to set up. I use my OF1400 in the table and it has all the power that I need. Because of space in my workshop I had to let the UJK table go as it was quite large. Cheers. Peter
Hi Chris, It is an excellent table and the cast iron makes the whole thing so smooth and stable. The professional fence is also brilliant. However, you do need a collet extension in order to make cutter changes easier. Axminster make their own and it is excellent. The dust collection is probably better done without the dust box arrangement as that does mean that the router and the lifting mechanism is constantly in the dust. I would rely entirely on the port at the back of the fence and the dust arrangements of the router in use. You therefore need a split hoe or two hoses. Because of space I use the Festool CMS-TS (no longer made by Festool) as it is compact, easy to move and its dust collection is brilliant although the fence leave a lot to be desired. Peter
HI Peter would you know if the Porter Cable 7518 router would fit straight into the ujk lift as it seems it is the same lift as the Genreal International lift and that is the router that I would like to buy to go with the UJK table of course I would have to use a transformer as well but I like the idea of a motor only router can you advise on this Regards Reg
+REGINALD OLIVER Hi Reg, I do not know the answer as I have not tried any other routers in the lift. It does seem very sensible to have a router of that design. I am sorry that I cannot help. Peter
Hi Chris, I have not really looked verty closely at them but both Jessem and Incra make excellent looking kit. Try and find a shop that stocks these and have a close look. Peter
What's happening to the top plate, you describe it as a cast iron, but it looks like there's a loose plate on top ?? I can see it lifting itself around 8:40 .. when you put the miter gauge at the table?
Hi Sebastiano, The only place that I know is Axminster Power Tools here in the UK. They do deliver throughout Europe but they have been so popular that they have sold out (again). I think that it will be April before they have any more. Thank you for your kind comments. Peter
David Smyer Hi David, You are quite right and I do not encourage anyone to follow my example - if they do then it is entirely at their own risk. My problem is that I am on a very low budget and I do a lot of demonstration woodwork which, most of the time, is just thrown away. So, I have to cut corners here and there. Festool must hate me showing the DD. Peter
Great shop and nice vid... just wanted the put the disclaimer out there since Festool and some other companies frown on the use of DD systems with there tools... thanks for the response!
This guy must work for Axminister or something making this table out to be perfect i got one today took 3 hours to put together and had loads of bits missing got told that there was no need to mount my router but nope had to do that my self with no template as the books template was wrong in ways possible dust box is £84.00 alone ive already spent £984.00 and that's with no accessories or switch. Plus my cast iron bed is a 1mm out not dead flat like his one. Quite disappointed in Axminister on this one really. I couldn't even use it due to missing items
Hello Peter, I just purchased the UJK Router Lift for my Dewalt DW625. Axminister was kind enough to recommend the machine screws for the installation. Thanks to your review, it helped me make my decision. I plan to purchase the Professional Router table at a later time.
This is an excellent video. Thank you so much for putting it together with so much thought and clarity. I learnt more about router tables, fences etc. in 13 minutes than I managed in considerably more time spent reading through manufacturer's websites and online stores etc.
Hi James, Excellent - many thanks. Peter
Many thanks for that - I must say that I feel really good about this little set of videos - they did take 3 weeks to make (7 days a week) !
Peter
Hi Peter
As every great video. Yes the NVR switch is a must have, a few years ago I invested in a number around the workshop and keep one spare, and introduce one between any machine that can be locked with power on, safety first (I had a switch fail in the one).
I went a little further with my table and added some draws to hold cutters and all the keys, rings and bits that are associated with this work table. It also keeps the dust and dirt to the outside. (Faced in oak of course)
Hi Barry, After I got my NVR Axminster sold out of that particular model but now have an excellent range which includes the one with the 13 amp socket. Many thanks for the kind words. Cheers. Peter
Hi Peter, Many thanks for this video, absolutely excellent as usual. I have been trolling through so many reviews but you have told me everything I needed to know. Very instructive.
Glad to help
Terrific video. I plan to buy one after Christmas. It is very expensive as I am buying the router that's fits the extension table. really enjoyed the video.
Hi Paul, Many thanks. Peter
Hi Jay, The fine adjustment is done entirely by the router elevator. The router is clamped in place on a plate in the elevator and one then uses the adjustment feature of the router elevator to adjust the height. It is very accurate and is easy to set to within 0.05 mm (more than enough accuracy for woodwork). I hope that this helps. Peter
Hi Tom
The UJK kit is excellent - remember to ask Santa for the cast iron top and the router elevator! The extra cost is well worth it.
I have just grabbed one of my lights - they have no name on the outside at all. I picked up a pair, for about £5, from a small car spares shop 5 years ago. They have a magnet on the back, white, red and flashing red modes. Far batter value than ones sold by the high end tool makers! There are loads of similar items around and all in the sub £10 bracket. Peter
Hi Peter, fine review as always. The UJK looks like a fine piece of kit. The key is the tablesaw-style fence that stays square. I went with the Bench Dog, best cast iron top I could find here in the US rather than the MDF top on the Kreg which has a fence nearly identical to the UJK. Mistake. I installed the router table in the wing of my tablesaw, so I was able to replace the Bench Dog fence with a homemade fence that attaches to the tablesaw fence. That ability greatly improves the accuracy.
hi Reg,
if you go onto Axminster or Trends website they have a compatibility table for all routers and various attachments ,look for my Router Compatibility, click on that then simply scroll down to your router click on that then it will tell you all you need to know. ..I have found this very helpful.
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I bought the UJK Router same system as you Peter less the extraction box. The only issue is with the phenolic inserts, after a few uses they jam in the plate. Buy new ones and they are fine for the first few users, then same happens.
Please pass this on to Axminster Customer Services. Peter
Hi Jay, The problem with using any router without an elevator (as I did on my previous 2 router tables) is that fine adjusting is a nightmare. In the end I made up a special handle with a big nut on the end which matched the thread on the Dewalt router height adjuster. I could reach under the table to adjust that handle whilst checking the cutter height with a gauge from above. I am sorry that an elevator is out of the question for you but is really does save a great deal of hassle. Peter
I live in Singapore and the electrical system here is different which prevents me from getting one. I have a Makita router but I would love to have a professional router which is precise in operation.
Thank you for your lessons on the router.
Hi Anand, You can put your own router in the UJK table and so the electrical system should not make any difference. Peter
Great review Peter Axminster Chippendale Parfitt. I'm Sure after the boys at Axminster see this you will be a very valued customer.
Hello Peter... I hate that you had to give up your UJK router table due to space issues. Had the same problem a few years ago. My solution was to make 2 French cleats and hang the lighter table and stand on the French cleats. I use a small electric winch bolted to a large beam with some block and tackle pulleys to lift it up and down and use two safety cables hooked into the ceiling beam to make sure it can’t fall. I use both tables at the same time for many projects and re-hang the second table when I am finished routing. It takes less than 5 minutes to take it down and the same to put it back up. And both are on locking casters so I can move them around the workshop.
Ron
Hi Ron, I had to make the decision well before we moved house. We did not know what size workshop to expect at the new location and it was almost certain that it would be smaller. Now we have moved the new (and yes smaller) workshop would not have been suitable. All but one wall is drywall and I have decided not to fix cupboards or hang things from it as it is part of the very special soundproofing which I have to have in order to keep the neighbours happy. Cheers. Peter
looks nice, i have just been out getting one my self, but i went with the Festool CMS. because my shop is not that big and i can replace my table saw as well and give more room in my shop.
Clear and concise Video, thank you Peter. Its a superb piece of kit and clearly is going head to head with the Kreg Precision Table, but one big difference between the two (and disappointment for me) was the lack of Jointing facilities on the fence. It's a big 'miss' on UJK's behalf to my mind, the Kreg and Bench Dog (but hard to get in UK) both have this facility.
Hi Clive, Maybe I am in a minority but I have never needed a jointing offset for a router fence. When I use a bit that is going to take a layer off the whole face presented I have managed by either getting the fence exactly right (so that the "high" spot goes through against the receiving fence) or by accepting that the last couple of inches will be wasted (as the feed is controlled against the in-feed fence). Peter.
Peter Parfitt
Thank you for the quick reply! I'm not sure I understood your comment "the "high" spot goes through against the receiving fence" wouldn't there be a small 'gap' between the piece and the receiving fence (equal to the amount 'planed' off)?
Hi Clive, My assumption is that one might be using a cutter with a shape of some sort rather than a straight cutter. One only needs to take enough off to create the shape of the profile. That would mean that the "high spot" has the least taken from there are would be within (say) 0.1 mm of where it started. So that part would be pushed against the out-feed fence and make little difference to the cutting process. Peter
I no longer need to take a router table to a job site and wanted the extra smooth feel given by cast iron. Peter
Thanks Peter. I was referring to the routers own fine adjuster function, sorry if I was unclear. The router elevator wouldn't be a suitable option for me unfortunately. I would need to use the routers own fine adjustment function and I am interested to know how it works, whether you have direct control on the plunge with the fine adjustment or if it is just a fine adjustment stop. I know this is straying from your video somewhat but I am interested in hearing your opinion on the matter.Thanks
Excellent video Peter. Can you recommend a router for use with the UJK elevator please? I use a Dewalt DW625E, and have found that small cutters will not protrude through the elevator hole even on max adjustment. I have tried the router bit extension, but this introduces vibration. Your thoughts would be gratefully received. Thanks, Paul Bailey
Hi Paul, I used the Dewalt 625 but with a collet extension so that getting at the collet was much easier. Axminster sell them. Peter
Just seen these videos Peter, superb as usual and such detail that everyone can always expect the very best and most honest reviews from you.
I didn't know about the dust box for the router but had thought that a wooden one with extraction above and below would be good. As for the lift, I will be going for the big Triton TRA001 Router, as it has the above table lift built in so the bits can be changed above the table with automatic cut off when the lift is fully extended. Not sure if you have reviewed that one but it saves the cost of an additional elevator/lift.
Hi Malcolm, I am not so keen on the dust box below the table and would prefer to use the dust port on the router for under the table and a port behind the fence for above. I have not seen the other kit that you mention. Cheers. Peter
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I bought several from Axminster Power Tools about 15 years ago. They no longer have the exact ones that I bought - their item number 211367 is similar. Peter
Hi Jay, I cannot get at mine very easily as I have the dust collection box. I have used a mirror and a torch and it appears that the height adjuster socket is open under the table. But, the locking mechanism cannot be accessed from underneath as it goes into a blind hole. The beauty of the router elevator is the simplicity of adjusting the height and then locking it in position from above the table and so I cannot think why you would want to do this from under the table. Peter
Hi Peter,
I watched a few of your videos, on this router table. I watched another this morning, which may have shown an upgrade for the dust box, where the cable outlet separates so you don't need to cut off the plug.
You mentioned making some economies, though not the cheapest, the Trend T11 and T14 routers can be adjusted from above, and the T14 comes with an NVR switch. They may not be quite as accurate as you require, but would you recommend them, given your experience?
I would like to see if you could design vents that could direct air straight to the cutter, and to the router cooling fan, using redundant vacuum cleaner nozzles and hose.
Hi Philip, I am afraid that I have no knowledge of the routers that you mention. Dust collection is a big issue when routing and I have found the best way is to use the router's built in dust port (which would be connected under the router table) and then a second collection hose at the back of the fence. Bit changes can be difficult and with the UJK table (with a Dewalt 625) I had to use a collet extension. If you do this get a good one as it does have to take some strain. I no longer have the UJK table as I have had to downsize. I now use the Festool CMS-OF which is lighter and more compact. The trouble is that Festool have discontinued it and there is no replacement as yet. Peter
Hi James,
No, the OF1400 is too precious to use in a router table. I am using my old Dewalt 625 - you can see it in the two assembly videos. Peter
I am not sure why most makers of under the router table "dust extraction boxes" have stopped making them; but it MIGHT be due to voiding of warranties by router manufacturers. Follow along:
Whenever you enclose a router completely in a box and you are drawing dust filled (dirty air) particles throughout the innards and outwards of the router, there is NO way for the router "air intake" to get fresh clean air. Which is absolutely vital.
While quality routers use sealed motor "bearings", this does nothing to stop wood chips, dirt, tar and grime from lodging between the armature and the field winding's, within the router's motor, etc.
However the box is STILL a good idea; but the location of the intake was/is wrong. It (4" minimum hole) should be placed well ABOVE the fresh air input of the router. THEN a second hole (4" minimum) should be at the bottom of the "box". This then insures that the router's air intake (bottom) will be assured of a fresh, clean supply of air.
But the dust extraction air flow port is now at the TOP side of box. In addition to improving dust collection efficiency, this bottom hole should have an adjustable blast gate on it, that allows one to regulate and maximize efficient dust collection and clean air flow through the router.
IE: when you are "face" milling a board, such as grooving, there is little flow of suction air into the box. This means overheating of the router. With the above method this problem is eliminated.
I have 4 under the table routers and all have and/or will have boxes using the above method. You can do this on any ready made "dust box". It works like a charm. Just be mindful that the blast gate at the bottom of the box, is allowing air to come IN to the box, not exit it. And there may be times when the blast gate will have to be near wide open to allow enough fresh, clean air to be drawn through the router and port at the top (side) of the box; to keep the router from over heating; not to mention sucking in dirty air through the router's air intake holes; which is the case now as they are designed.
On the other hand, when you are using large diameter cutters; the blast gate will be adjusted almost closed; and just left open enough to permit proper router cooling.
Adjusting of the blast gate at the bottom port now should become routine and adjusted correctly, after experimenting, balancing suction efficiency and motor cooling. In time it will become as automatic as setting your fence or cutter height, etc.
For whatever it's worth.
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pat dee Hi Pat, That is a really useful explanation and I hope that it helps other people. Cheers. Peter
Interesting thanks. I built myself a home made box and I think I've broken my Triton router with it after only a couple of sessions use. Must have sucked dust through as you say. 😕
Thank you for all of your help Peter- The router elevator may now be back in the picture for me now although it depends. Is it possible to operate the height adjustment and height adjustment lock from underneath the table? I have seen some pictures and it looks like it might just be possible. Are you able to shed any light onto this subject?
Hi Peter, thanks for the detailed review.
I noticed during your test that you've made a nice profile on that wood piece, would you mind telling me what type/brand of router bits are you using?
Thank you.
Hi Daniel, I think it was this one:
www.axminstertools.com/axcaliber-ogee-kitchen-door-router-cutter-set-717665
Peter
@@NewBritWorkshop
Thank you Peter!!!
Yes i understand on the video footage . It takes a very long time indeed. The intro, the music, the editing, and then the bloody upload!!!!!
Fantastic review, highly informative, clear and concise. Regarding the Dewalt DW625EK you say you use with the table- Could you please comment on its fine adjustment function? I have looked all over the internet and have failed to find any info on it. Is it an actual direct fine adjustment function where the turn of a knob directly corresponds to the router moving along its plunge axis or is it just a fine adjustment stop? Thank you.
Wish I can buy these for the same price as in the UK as after import taxes etc it is double the price.
This looks a solid piece of kit 👍
Hi Gavin, It is and very nice to use. Peter
Can you offset the fence to be able to use it as a jointer? I'm interested in getting this set up but need that fence to offset!
Not directly. The sacrificial faces on the fence are in 2 pieces and it would be possible to shim one out a little of make up a slightly thicker (or thinner) sacrificial face to suit your needs. The main frame (aluminium extrusion) of the fence is in one piece and behind the sacrificial faces. Peter
Excellent review. Are you using the festool OF 1400 router with the UJK? Thanks.
I'd be interested your opinion of the Incra LS super fence system. It's a bit pricey but dialing in exact dimensions looks very tempting
Tim Brennan Hi Tim, I have not seen one close up but it does look good on the screen. I have found that The Woodworkers Workshop (just Google them) are really into Incra kit and it would not hurt to contact them as I am sure that they would provide good advice. Peter
Hi Peter ,great video as usual . I've been using the Festool cms system for many years and have been looking out for a slightly larger and with proper feather boards option but as precise as the cms. Is there any area it's not as good as the cms? Thanks for the videos and keep up the good work.
Hi David, The UJK table is super but the CMS OF has better dust collection. The fence on the UJK is much better but cutter changes are tricky. Many thanks for the kind words. Peter
Hi Peter. Firstly thank you for the excellent video - really well presented and filmed. I've just ordered the same table, but I'm still unsure about the router lift and dust collection box. Like you I had two musts - I had to have the cast table and also a way of adjusting the bit height without going under the table. So the UJK table came up the winner (nearly bought the Trend table with the T11).I've read on a popular UK forum that I'm a member of, a member complaining that dust collects in the chain and threads of the lift, and jambs it solid, rendering the handle/lift unusable. He is constantly going under the table to free the lift of dust from its innards.One suggested solution was the use of a dry lube.Now that you've had time to play with it, have you had similar problems?Jonny
Hi Jonny, I would not have the dust box in the future but would collect from the back of the fence and from a standard connection to the router dust collection port. That way the chain does not get coated. BTW my chain never got so clogged that it stopped moving freely. I did use dry lube. Workshop space meant that I had to get rid of one of my two router tables and the UJK was the bigger of the two. It was a sad day. Peter
That's a shame Peter. And thank you for your reply. That's sound advice, so I'll try that. Thanks again. Jonny
Hi Peter, just been enjoying some of your older videos. I looking to get a router table and was wondering if the ukj one you have or festool one, you prefer using? Many thanks duncan
Hi Duncan, I had space problems in the workshop and had to go down to just one router table. The Festool CMS won for me. The UJK has a brilliant fence and the cast iron table is superb. The CMS fence is not so good but the dust collection is excellent. As space was the issue, the small footprint of the Festool CMS won the day and it does everything that I need. Peter
Great series of videos and very clear. Could you tell me if you have had any problems with keeping clean the chain mechanism of the router lift. I have seen some comments on other sites to that effect and I would be grateful for your opinion as I am considering purchasing the UJK table and lift.
Neil Simpson Hi Neil, I was a little apprehensive about using the Dust Extraction Box but have found, through trial and error, the best setup for me. There is an adjustable air inlet which improves the air flow to the extractor and I have found that it is "tuneable" to get the best dust pick-up from below the table. Despite this I do find that the router and chain can get some dust settling and so I give it a very quick vacuum, through the hatch on the Dust Box, about once a week. Other than that bit of routine housework the rest works brilliantly. Many thanks for your kind comments. Peter
BTW, I'm a little surprised you didn't go with the Festool CMS router table ;-)
Hi peter in Australia a shop sells a router bit like the UK router table. it sells around bit over $2000 dollars.with the router they sell in Australia it has side wonder so you can wind the router bit up or down. It has a cast iron table to dead flat.peter is the UK table made in England.?.
Hi Shane, I do not think so. I suspect parts of it are made elsewhere but I do not know the detail. Cheers. Peter
A great review Peter, thanks - this has already been added to the early Santa list.
On a side issue, where could I source that wonderfully useful triangular lamp?
Cheers
Tom Stratton
Ossett, West Yorks
Hi Peter, great presentation as always. I will look at UJK's cast iron table, but with a Jessem/Incra lift. Also, would like to fit an Incra dust box, and Incra router fence with LS positioner and mitre gauge. I would make my own timber cabinet with drawers for tooling. Also, possibly an AUK Tools 2400 w router with remote switching and speed control. Would appreciate you thoughts, and I would welcome your wisdom......do you have any advice?
Hi Len, Look closely at the dust collection. The best that I have experienced is when you collect at the back of the fence and from the router dust port below the table. I would not recommend the router sitting in a dust box as it covers every part of the router in dust. I think that the chain or screw drive for router lifting should be protected in some way from dust. Also, look at the ability to get a spanner on the collet. Avoid having to have a collet extension. Peter
I do need to have a rising table but the idea of those chains and thread covered with MDF dust and jamming is one that I worry about. I wondered if the trend T11 fine adjuster and plain table might do me better. Does it actually keep clean or does it need constant cleaning?
Dust does get on the chain but it is not a big deal. I clean mine off from time to time - not because it is a problem but because I want to prevent a problem - maybe once every 3 or 4 weeks.
I know nothing about the Trend system you mentioned.
Peter
Hi peter, its always great watching your videos,structure, informative and clear.
Im in the market for a router table for site work and see you have your festool kit in this video. maybe its still there, maybe you still use it but if you dont use it i would be interested.hope this comment is not too bold.
Thanks Jimmy Joiner
Hi Jimmy, You might like to try ebay. I have the Festool CMS-OF (the table) into which I have put their OF1400 router. It is a brilliant setup and very suitable for site work. I have taken mine to job sites but most of the time it is in the workshop. I would not part with mine especially as Festool no longer sell the CMS-OF part. Cheers. Peter
@@NewBritWorkshop Yes good morning Peter, and thanks for the response.
I thought i would ask.
Ive bought the UJK professional router table from Axeminster for my workshop after watching your review. Great review as expected.
itll not travel too far but itll get me producing and i can always wait for Festool to produce a new Router table.
Hi James, Hopefully Festool will realise that the CMS-OF was popular ! Good luck and stay safe. Peter
Hi Peter, good to meet you last weekend at Axminster Sittingbourne, (my wife was the one who insisted on taking a photo of us together). I’m looking to buy the UJK router table that you’re using here and was wondering what was the best dust extractor to use with it. I’m using the Festool ct26 for my tracksaw etc but obviously the hose on that is a lot smaller and deals with dust rather than chips. Would I need to hook the router table up to a dedicated chip extractor? Thanks
Hi Andy, It was great meeting you and your wife as well. I used a chip extractor for the UJK table but I think that the CT26 would be better at the back of the fence. Maybe using both would be the answer if you are using the dust box underneath. If you do not have the dust box then the CT26 with a split - one part to the rear of the fence and the other to the router itself. Good luck with the workshop. Cheers. Peter
Hi Peter, Did you ever get the 'Extended Table' Add-on that fits underneath the front of the table? If so could you do me a favor? I have purchased the same table top, but will be making a multi-drawer cabinet for all cutters, collets, spanners and jigs, etc. But I cannot find anywhere the physical size of this item so that I could work out the clearance required to allow for it, if you did purchase this option could you possibly take a ruler to it for me in passing. Just that Axminster are out of stock at the moment and no-one there has this measurement to hand. Thanks again for the great series of videos, you are costing me a fortune... (he he...)
No I did not get that table, sorry. Cheers. Peter
Hi Peter - amazing videos, thank you. One question on dust extraction with the UJK router table set-up with the twin hose to dust box and fence....
Do you/did you connect your Festool vac to the 100mm dust port on the UJK system and if so, what hose arrangement did you use to you connect it and how effective was it?
Hi Tim, I used my Numatic NVD750 with a 4" connector to the dust box around the router. I found that the router and the drive chain for the router lift got covered in dust. If I were to have something like this again I would use a split hose from the CT26 and have one end connected to the dust port of the router and the other end connected at the back of the fence. I would not use the dust box. Having said that a lot of people had a great success with the dust box and it may be because they had a more powerful 4" extractor. Peter
@@NewBritWorkshop Peter - thanks for your rapid response! Fortunately, I have a big Felder extractor to call on with a 5" hose and plenty of suction in the workshop where the new UJK table will be located, so any dust in the box should be whisked away. However, there may be occasions when the set-up may have to be re-located to an adjacent space where the Felder can't follow. In which case, I'll follow your suggestion and set up my CT26 with a Festool split hose running to a dust hood on the router and the back of the fence. Hopefully I can run the router hose through the open door of the box. The advantage of fitting the hood is that it should prevent dust and small chippings from falling down and getting inside the router. I've no chain to worry about as the Trend T11EK I'm using has an adjustment facility that can be operated from above the table - there's just a 17mm hole to be drilled in the right place through the 10mm top plate and sub-base in order to connect to it when it arrives. Sorry to miss you at the Harrogate show - a fellow boatbuilding friend from the IBTC said how much she enjoyed meeting you.
Hi Tim, I remember having a conversation with a boat builder and I am sure that it must have been your friend. Cheers. Peter
Hi again Peter. I ordered the raiser - a fantastic thing and will be ordering the Dewalt 625 (after much consideration). Can I ask what collet extension you have on your video? And does this allow you to change bits without going under the table? I've not got my hands on the Dewalt so can't tell if it has one of those spindle locking buttons. I read that they mean going under the table to change bits. Thanks again for any advice or replies. Jonny
Hi Jonny, I had an old collet extension which proved to be dangerous (it actually failed) as it was too tall so I asked the technical people at Axminster for their advice. They recommended their own Axcaliber device which is what I went on the get. The beauty of this one is that the main body is made from a single piece of stainless steel and once you have it you can get all sorts of different inserts for other diameter of cutters without having to buy a complete extension each time. Here is the link: www.axminster.co.uk/axcaliber-router-collet-extension-1-2-shank-211367 With this firmly installed in the router there is no need to go under the table for cutter changes. Good luck. Peter
Thank you so much Peter. Much appreciated.
New Brit Workshop
Hi peter! I was just about to purchase this router table from axminster but noticed most of the components are out of stock at the moment. And referring to your comment about (last few remaining) i am wondering if this particular model is to be phased out soon?
Thanks, robert.
robert murray Hi Robert, The comments were about the MDF top. If you select the other tops you will see that they are in stock. The MDF top was not a popular option. Peter
Thanks for the speedy reply peter.
Great review, any chance you could get axminster to let you do a review on the mdf version for those on a budget :-)
Bernie NUFC Hi Bernie, I just did a quick check of the Axminster web site and it appears to me that they may be phasing out the MDF version. When selected as an option it says 'Last Few' and I can only find the MDF top available at Nuneaton and Sittingbourne. Stock of the phenolic and cast iron tops seem to be unaffected. Peter
Peter Parfitt thanks for the update, it seems i need to really look at one of these 2 then, cheers
Record and Charnwood do some great cast iron router tables much much cheaper. 🤔 Why spend an extra £500 for things that should come with it imo?
Hi Peter,
I haven't built my workshop yet, which to be an extension on the side of a new garage, but while it will be a reasonable size it won't be huge, so I have been investigating the Hammer C3-31 which is manufactured by Felder in Austria. It gets fantastic reviews, but it does mean I shall have a spindle moulder, but of high quality. I take your point about the cost of cutters, but there are always compromises whichever way you go. Have you come across Felder/Hammer in your travels? Steve
I have never owned any Felder/Hammer kit but I have heard a lot of people say how happy they have been with their machines. They have a good reputation as far as I can see. Peter
Hi , what collet extension are you using ?
So Peter,
I'm planning on buying a router table set up with the view to making a shaker style kitchen as my first project. I have been looking at the festool CMS system but when I priced the complete set I was stunned that with a router, it was a few hundred pounds short of £3000. Then I saw your excellent video on the UJK router table which seems to be more what I am looking for (my set up can be stationary).
My question to you is that being in the enviable situation of having both systems in your workshop, which do you think is the best? Also, which DeWalt router are you using in your UJK set up?
Lastly, do you have any advice on where to source/buy quality timber from for such a project?
Many thanks,
Matt
Hi Matt
For mobile use and flexibility the Festool CMS wins every time. Remember that Festool kit is part of a system and so once you have the base unit you can add more and more modules. The router can be put in or taken out of the unit in 2 minutes and can then be used for other tasks.
For your budget the UJK probably wins but go for the cast iron top. I use the CMT version of the Dewalt 625 which is a good router. You will need a collet extension of course. Once the router is in that setup it has to stay there.
For timber you need to visit the timber yards in your area and check their prices and get a feel for the sort of people they are.
Peter
Excellent and timely advice Peter. Thanks a lot.
Matt
Peter Parfitt Hi Peter,
Similar to Evans I'm also just looking at getting a CMS with a 2200 in it, table and router were 1500€ (ex vat, i'm vat registered) in Belgium so that seemed not too bad, considering I can use the 2200 separately and get a few other inserts as time goes on. Maybe a sliding table/mitre is a must have?
Would you go for the UJK over the CMS given the option? I'd like a spindle moulder, but as you mention you've got to go well over 3-4k for a good one plus tools for it. Maybe the CMS is a good step on the ladder as it were, and a spindle moulder could come in time if I have a more pronounced need for one? Space is no problem for me and at present i don't need to take it on site...
Thanks for all your videos. It's funny after having 'grown up' internet wood working wise on the New Yankee workshop, David.J.Marks and The Wood Whisperer, to finally have a fellow UK woodworker putting himself out there. Good to see.
All the best and KBO,
Charlie
Charlie Whittuck Hi Charlie, First very many thanks for your very supportive comments - it really does help. I think in your situation the ability to use the router both in and out of the table tips the balance in favour of the CMS unit with the OF 2200. That router is the most fantastic piece of engineering and a joy to use - a real gentle giant. I have mine in the CMS-OF where it gives excellent service but is always available for freehand work if required. I hope that answers your question. I really hope to meet Norm Abram one day as I learnt so much from him. I liked his presentational style, his complete ease when working in the workshop and his ability to take you through all of the stages so logically. Cheers. Peter
Peter Parfitt Hey Peter,
I'd love to meet Norm too, and maybe go to Nantucket or Maine to see a Shaker museum or two... They're on my pilgrimage list along with the Lie Nielsen shop.
Few! I was hoping you'd say that. As much as I like the look of the router table I just can't help but feel it wouldn't be as much of a pleasure as the CMS with a 2200 in it, perhaps not as well designed either? I've looked at the 2200 in the shop and it's indeed massive, i'm curious as to how it would get used in a day to day setting, no doubt it's well suited to the job, vorsprung dutch technik and all that :)
Looks like i'll need a solid job to get a spindle moulder another time, Felder one would be ace.
Can we see your work anywhere online? Feel free to check out my whittling here! www.whittuck.com
Thanks for your time,
Charlie
Hi Peter,
Well, I've been and gone and done it! Ordered my fully specced Ujk table this morning. Axminster no longer supply the dust collection box for some storage reason. Do you advise spending £157 on one from Amazon? I guess I mean is it a really efficient DX box? I'll no doubt be referring to your excellent assembly videos in a few days!
Chris Brickell Hi Chris, I know that I have and still use the dust box but if I had my time over I would just have the collection from above at the back of the fence and another one from the router itself. You could also make a box of your own just to contain any extra dust that might escape. I can think of many things that you should spend £157 on ! Cheers. Peter
Thank you Peter - my order has not all arrived yet. Due for completion in about a week's time as router table has to come from Axminster's North Shields branch. Everything else is here. I shall take your advice re dust collection and see how things go. Cheers Chris
Chris Brickell All very exciting - be careful suing all the new kit for the first time - watch your fingers ! Peter
Hello Peter. I,m struggling with which router table to buy. I’m fairly well invested in Festool products, but being in the USA and limited in the router size and raised panel router bit use I’m wondering if the ujk might be advised. Would love some advice . Love your site
Hi Michael, The UJK setup has a terrific fence and the cast iron top is fantastic. However, I think that the dust collection on the Festool table is superb and it is so easy to set up. I use my OF1400 in the table and it has all the power that I need. Because of space in my workshop I had to let the UJK table go as it was quite large. Cheers. Peter
Best advice I could have gotten and from someone I trust implicitly . Thank you Peter.
Hi Peter hope your well. Great videos about this table. Can i ask 6 years on. Would you reccomend the router table with elevator? Thank you
Hi Chris, It is an excellent table and the cast iron makes the whole thing so smooth and stable. The professional fence is also brilliant. However, you do need a collet extension in order to make cutter changes easier. Axminster make their own and it is excellent. The dust collection is probably better done without the dust box arrangement as that does mean that the router and the lifting mechanism is constantly in the dust. I would rely entirely on the port at the back of the fence and the dust arrangements of the router in use. You therefore need a split hoe or two hoses. Because of space I use the Festool CMS-TS (no longer made by Festool) as it is compact, easy to move and its dust collection is brilliant although the fence leave a lot to be desired. Peter
New Brit Workshop thank you for your reply Peter. Sound like i cant go wrong with the table purchase.
Go for it ! Peter
HI Peter would you know if the Porter Cable 7518 router would fit straight into the ujk lift as it seems it is the same lift as the Genreal International lift and that is the router that I would like to buy to go with the UJK table of course I would have to use a transformer as well but I like the idea of a motor only router can you advise on this Regards Reg
+REGINALD OLIVER Hi Reg, I do not know the answer as I have not tried any other routers in the lift. It does seem very sensible to have a router of that design. I am sorry that I cannot help. Peter
Great video, do you know of a comparable model/ brand that I could get here in the states? Don't think that brand is sold here?
Hi Chris, I have not really looked verty closely at them but both Jessem and Incra make excellent looking kit. Try and find a shop that stocks these and have a close look. Peter
What's happening to the top plate, you describe it as a cast iron, but it looks like there's a loose plate on top ?? I can see it lifting itself around 8:40 .. when you put the miter gauge at the table?
Hi James, That is an optical illusion - it is a reflection from part of the mitre gauge. Peter
ok, but you must admit it looks weird :-)
Do you know what routers it will take?
Hi John, I think it will take most as the router plate can be adapted if need be. Check with Axminster though just to be on the safe side. Peter
great video ! do you know where i can purchase this router table ( not the legs but only the ircon cast table + guides etc ) ?
Hi Sebastiano,
The only place that I know is Axminster Power Tools here in the UK. They do deliver throughout Europe but they have been so popular that they have sold out (again). I think that it will be April before they have any more.
Thank you for your kind comments.
Peter
Thanks Peter. Do you know if there is an other distributor throught Europe ? Or a direct contact to them ?
Hi Sebastiano,
I think the only way to find out would be to send an email to Axminster. Try exportsales@axminster.co.uk
Peter
Thanks , but , if you know , UJK is an axminster brand ?
Hi Sebastiano,
Yes they are linked through Brimarc which is also under the Axminster umbrella.
Peter
Cuánto es el precio de la Mesa $
Hi Ruben, Go to the Axminster web site and put your currency in and the price, including shipping, will be calculated for you. Peter
That Dust Deputy will void your Festool warranty by the way...
David Smyer Hi David, You are quite right and I do not encourage anyone to follow my example - if they do then it is entirely at their own risk. My problem is that I am on a very low budget and I do a lot of demonstration woodwork which, most of the time, is just thrown away. So, I have to cut corners here and there. Festool must hate me showing the DD. Peter
Great shop and nice vid... just wanted the put the disclaimer out there since Festool and some other companies frown on the use of DD systems with there tools... thanks for the response!
Funny. We call Lifts, Elevator's and he calls the "Router Lift" an elevator.
Life is full of funny things ! Cheers. Peter
This guy must work for Axminister or something making this table out to be perfect i got one today took 3 hours to put together and had loads of bits missing got told that there was no need to mount my router but nope had to do that my self with no template as the books template was wrong in ways possible dust box is £84.00 alone ive already spent £984.00 and that's with no accessories or switch. Plus my cast iron bed is a 1mm out not dead flat like his one. Quite disappointed in Axminister on this one really. I couldn't even use it due to missing items
Then why have you not taken the trouble to tell Axminster about it - they will sort this out for you. I do not work for Axminster.