I'd like to make an apology to the DBFD and to those reading the comments for the ignorance coming from poster JB91710. He's a famous youtube armchair firefighter that thinks he knows what he's talking about but doesn't.
Flash Well you sure convinced Me with all the information you gave to consider your point. Oh wait a minute. That was Just your opinion with NO PROOF you Could be right. Did it make you feel better to say that? Haven't your responses to my comments filled you with confidence? You want people to go away and not read mine because you Know your comments are so weak? Sure sounds like it. You see, when you look at things in Three Dimensions meaning Think, you can see the Whole Story behind your and the other's pitiful rebuttals. "You don't know what you are talking about!"
Flash Read your last comment, or any of them for that matter, to yourself out loud. Then think of an elementary school kid arguing on the playground. You threw a tantrum and said Nothing! I have spelled out my tactics In Detail and the rest of you just say. "Heat Rises." or "You don't know what you are talking about." Real informative. No3ww for THIS quote! "Remember, before you talk shit and insult the majority of a group, make sure you don't have any flaws yourself." I'm not the one who is putting on a uniform and swearing to Protect and Serve the Tax Payers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm not a braindead Follower that performs worthless tactics while I LET someone's property burn. I or anyone else doesn't have to be flawless to call out the incompetence of the Tax Payers employees. Who reviews the performance of our fire fighters????????????????? I'll tell you. No One other than the Braindead leaders of the department who not only Let their FFers do stupid, they teach them How to do it! The mayor doesn't know. The City Council doesn't know. And, the chief only has to say, "Certain procedures have to be followed all of which you wouldn't understand." And the citizens just walk away in an ignorant daze! If children like you ever master the English language and the ability to speak in larger than four letter words, then maybe you Might gain the intelligence to debate me instead of the BS you people spout.
Now, read off what you posted to yourself and tell us what it says. Here, I'll paraphrase for you, all you're saying is every firefighter to ever live is an idiot..except for yourself of course, because you see yourself as some kind of firegod with some kind of superhuman knowledge above everyone else. Everybody is a braindead dumbass according to JB. Everybody is incompetent except for him, because he knows everything there is to know because he learned it 50+ years ago. Things change cupcake, get with the program, things aren't the way they were 50 years ago and they aren't going back. We fight fires differently than it was done years ago, that's because the fire service is always evolving. Fires burn differently, houses burn differently, improvements in technology are made, so with that tactics change. Just because you don't agree with them, and it's not how you did it..doesn't make them wrong. You're right, you don't put on the uniform anymore, because you are a washed up hasbeen that doesn't contribute anything except insulting and bashing people because it's not the way JB does it. All this talk about braindead robots and zombies, have you ever stopped to think that maybe you are one of them? You refuse to entertain thoughts other than your own, regardless of the material they contain. You do not care about facts even if they are proven. It's that kind of thinking that gives everyone a bad reputation as a whole. You're never too old to learn, and once you think you have learned it all, that is when you become a danger to yourself and to everyone else around you. I'll close with a little quote : “He who learns but does not think, is lost! He who thinks but does not learn is in great danger.” -Confucius
flash and you Still don't want to talk TACTICS! You just want to Guess who I am. Guessers are Fools. I entertain the thoughts of these So Called Fire Fighters and SEE that they over complicate their job to make it more scientific and SEEM more complicated than it is. It's hard to Get It Up when you squirt water on burning stuff for a living. The more Credentials they can accumulate the farther their chests stick out. But still, the LAST thing they do when they get to a fire is Put Water On The Burning Stuff. It's people like you who Can't debate the tactics so you focus ALL your efforts toward discrediting me but you do not use any ammunition meaning Facts. You don't know who I am and what I have accomplished or what I can do. You say, in your eloquent way, that "I don't know what I'm talking about." That doesn't discredit me, it just makes YOU sound like a juvenile delinquent. You don't know me and can't factually discredit my tactics yet you can't keep your mouth shut. Sounds like insecurity to me.
There you go, insulting everyone else again because you act like you're better than everyone else. Talking tactics to you is like talking to a brick wall, because you absolutely will not accept any point of view any different than your own, period. I've tried, you just don't care, I've posted articles, you ignore them. Don't say people haven't tried. Maybe you should reread it again for good measure until it sinks in...You're never too old to learn, and once you think you have learned it all, that is when you become a danger to yourself and to everyone else around you. I'll close with a little quote : “He who learns but does not think, is lost! He who thinks but does not learn is in great danger.” -Confucius. I'll see you on the next one JB, I'm done beating a dead horse.
Here you see the Stupidity of Modern American fire playing. The fire is Right There!! You hit the ceiling with a straight stream and wave it around and the water will explode like a huge sprinkler head and the fire will be out in SECONDS! These guys are going Inside to Push the fire outside?!
Interior attack, the most efficient way to get to the seat of the fire and put water directly on it. Hitting it "hard from the yard" is good in some cases, but not all. It's also been proven hundreds of times, water doesn't "push" fire. If that's what you're implying, I suggest you study up.
Flash If you can See what's burning when you arrive, you put water on it without delay as extension increases exponentially every second. The ONLY time it is better to go inside initially is when you Can't see what's burning. You vent the windows closest to the fire rooms and get a fan at the door and Then go in. Vertical Venting is for Followers, not people who actually Think. There is No room for excitement, fun and heroic games at a fire. All, fire fighters have families to consider. It's a JOB and nothing more. OSHA doesn't allow Any tradesmen to take Unnecessary risks and that goes for fire fighters also. "These guys are going Inside to Push the fire outside?!" (?!) This means I'm asking if they are so stupid that they think That could possibly work. It never has and never will. Idiots in the position of fire service Leaders came up with That brain fart. That's why you question Everything that a so called leader says.
Here you go with your "every one else is an idiot except for me" speech again. How many times do people have to school you, for it to sink in? Vertical ventilation has it's pros and cons. It is proven to work, if done properly, safely and in the right scenario whether you like to admit it or not. Science is obvious. Heat rises, cut hole in roof, heat/gasses escape, it now has a vent to escape through. As for the aggressive interior attack, they knew where the fire was, hitting it from inside is extremely effective. Your OPINION and FACT are two different things, and they tend to disagree with one another. As I stated also, pushing fire doesn't work. I don't exactly understand what "point" your're trying to make. They're putting the fire out from inside, not trying to push it. To me, it looks like a bunch of useless rambling so you can try and insult more people because you're a self centered, arrogant, hasbeen that can't get over himself.
Flash Your and others opinion of me and who I am could not be further from the truth but go ahead and keep Guessing. I have been watching these videos for 8 years and I could count on one hand the times that VV Could work. Not that it did anything positive but under the Perfect conditions you mentioned it Could work. For the 99.9% of times they go up and do Nothing, it is not worth the risk when all they have to do is open a window near the fire room. The smoke and flame self vent by releasing the pressure the fire created. You, and the rest of the followers will Never let that sink in. You think because heat rises, it will go up through the hole and they can go inside to a wonderful environment. Ever see a chimney that wouldn't draw? A chimney is Designed to Let Heat go up and out of the house but often, because of higher pressure outside., the rising heat isn't sufficient. Cold dense air has to be forced out before a flow can be created. In a house fire you also have pressure zones, air leaks, open doors and windows and gable end and soffit vents that destroy the structures ability to work like a chimney. Not to mention all the dampers. Floors, walls, ceilings and doors. Cut a hole in the roof and knock out the ceiling in a room with a closed door and you will never get heat and smoke from the first floor out the roof. People view things in two dimensions. In this case that means, if they See fire and smoke coming out the hole, VVing must be working. In three dimensions, which means THINKING about it, what I said above applies. I'm don't expect you or the other 95%ers to get this. I write my comments for civilians and young people because they only have common sense and logic to use and That's All They Need!
Flash The FACTS as you put it are information REPEATED by "Experts" like you from Other "Experts" like you! You don't say HOW it works, you just say that it does and a lot of people and experts Also say it does! PROVE in Scientific DETAIL how Vertical Venting works. "Heat Rises." ain't gunna do it! Does heat rise up a cold chimney the moment you light the fire? Have you Ever lit a fire in a fireplace? Do you know how much communication and coordination is needed to pull off VVing successfully? Do you know how PERFECT the conditions inside a structure have to be in order to make heat and smoke rise up through a hole in the roof? The vast majority of humans can't coordinate Lunch and people who become fire fighters are going to coordinate VVing? Show me ONE video, ONE video that proves beyond a shadow of doubt that it is beneficial other than for burning down the house better. I, have told you an the rest of the Followers how VV Doesn't work In DETAIL. In minute detail I have explained Why it doesn't work! Dozens of videos Show how it doesn't work and how fire players go on a roof to cut holes when it isn't even called for. ROBOTS! Non thinking ROBOTS! It is You guys that just stand behind what You have been TOLD!. I THINK for myself and ask Why and get No Answers but, "You don't know what you are talking about." Sound familiar?
wonder what is more interesting the video or the arguments between Flash and jb91710
I'd like to make an apology to the DBFD and to those reading the comments for the ignorance coming from poster JB91710. He's a famous youtube armchair firefighter that thinks he knows what he's talking about but doesn't.
Flash Well you sure convinced Me with all the information you gave to consider your point. Oh wait a minute. That was Just your opinion with NO PROOF you Could be right. Did it make you feel better to say that? Haven't your responses to my comments filled you with confidence? You want people to go away and not read mine because you Know your comments are so weak? Sure sounds like it. You see, when you look at things in Three Dimensions meaning Think, you can see the Whole Story behind your and the other's pitiful rebuttals. "You don't know what you are talking about!"
Flash Read your last comment, or any of them for that matter, to yourself out loud. Then think of an elementary school kid arguing on the playground. You threw a tantrum and said Nothing! I have spelled out my tactics In Detail and the rest of you just say. "Heat Rises." or "You don't know what you are talking about." Real informative.
No3ww for THIS quote! "Remember, before you talk shit and insult the majority of a group, make sure you don't have any flaws yourself." I'm not the one who is putting on a uniform and swearing to Protect and Serve the Tax Payers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm not a braindead Follower that performs worthless tactics while I LET someone's property burn. I or anyone else doesn't have to be flawless to call out the incompetence of the Tax Payers employees.
Who reviews the performance of our fire fighters????????????????? I'll tell you. No One other than the Braindead leaders of the department who not only Let their FFers do stupid, they teach them How to do it! The mayor doesn't know. The City Council doesn't know. And, the chief only has to say, "Certain procedures have to be followed all of which you wouldn't understand." And the citizens just walk away in an ignorant daze!
If children like you ever master the English language and the ability to speak in larger than four letter words, then maybe you Might gain the intelligence to debate me instead of the BS you people spout.
Now, read off what you posted to yourself and tell us what it says. Here, I'll paraphrase for you, all you're saying is every firefighter to ever live is an idiot..except for yourself of course, because you see yourself as some kind of firegod with some kind of superhuman knowledge above everyone else. Everybody is a braindead dumbass according to JB. Everybody is incompetent except for him, because he knows everything there is to know because he learned it 50+ years ago. Things change cupcake, get with the program, things aren't the way they were 50 years ago and they aren't going back. We fight fires differently than it was done years ago, that's because the fire service is always evolving. Fires burn differently, houses burn differently, improvements in technology are made, so with that tactics change. Just because you don't agree with them, and it's not how you did it..doesn't make them wrong. You're right, you don't put on the uniform anymore, because you are a washed up hasbeen that doesn't contribute anything except insulting and bashing people because it's not the way JB does it. All this talk about braindead robots and zombies, have you ever stopped to think that maybe you are one of them? You refuse to entertain thoughts other than your own, regardless of the material they contain. You do not care about facts even if they are proven. It's that kind of thinking that gives everyone a bad reputation as a whole. You're never too old to learn, and once you think you have learned it all, that is when you become a danger to yourself and to everyone else around you. I'll close with a little quote : “He who learns but does not think, is lost! He who thinks but does not learn is in great danger.” -Confucius
flash and you Still don't want to talk TACTICS! You just want to Guess who I am. Guessers are Fools. I entertain the thoughts of these So Called Fire Fighters and SEE that they over complicate their job to make it more scientific and SEEM more complicated than it is. It's hard to Get It Up when you squirt water on burning stuff for a living. The more Credentials they can accumulate the farther their chests stick out. But still, the LAST thing they do when they get to a fire is Put Water On The Burning Stuff.
It's people like you who Can't debate the tactics so you focus ALL your efforts toward discrediting me but you do not use any ammunition meaning Facts. You don't know who I am and what I have accomplished or what I can do. You say, in your eloquent way, that "I don't know what I'm talking about." That doesn't discredit me, it just makes YOU sound like a juvenile delinquent.
You don't know me and can't factually discredit my tactics yet you can't keep your mouth shut. Sounds like insecurity to me.
There you go, insulting everyone else again because you act like you're better than everyone else. Talking tactics to you is like talking to a brick wall, because you absolutely will not accept any point of view any different than your own, period. I've tried, you just don't care, I've posted articles, you ignore them. Don't say people haven't tried. Maybe you should reread it again for good measure until it sinks in...You're never too old to learn, and once you think you have learned it all, that is when you become a danger to yourself and to everyone else around you. I'll close with a little quote : “He who learns but does not think, is lost! He who thinks but does not learn is in great danger.” -Confucius. I'll see you on the next one JB, I'm done beating a dead horse.
Here you see the Stupidity of Modern American fire playing. The fire is Right There!! You hit the ceiling with a straight stream and wave it around and the water will explode like a huge sprinkler head and the fire will be out in SECONDS!
These guys are going Inside to Push the fire outside?!
Interior attack, the most efficient way to get to the seat of the fire and put water directly on it. Hitting it "hard from the yard" is good in some cases, but not all. It's also been proven hundreds of times, water doesn't "push" fire. If that's what you're implying, I suggest you study up.
Flash If you can See what's burning when you arrive, you put water on it without delay as extension increases exponentially every second. The ONLY time it is better to go inside initially is when you Can't see what's burning. You vent the windows closest to the fire rooms and get a fan at the door and Then go in. Vertical Venting is for Followers, not people who actually Think.
There is No room for excitement, fun and heroic games at a fire. All, fire fighters have families to consider. It's a JOB and nothing more. OSHA doesn't allow Any tradesmen to take Unnecessary risks and that goes for fire fighters also.
"These guys are going Inside to Push the fire outside?!" (?!) This means I'm asking if they are so stupid that they think That could possibly work. It never has and never will. Idiots in the position of fire service Leaders came up with That brain fart. That's why you question Everything that a so called leader says.
Here you go with your "every one else is an idiot except for me" speech again. How many times do people have to school you, for it to sink in? Vertical ventilation has it's pros and cons. It is proven to work, if done properly, safely and in the right scenario whether you like to admit it or not. Science is obvious. Heat rises, cut hole in roof, heat/gasses escape, it now has a vent to escape through. As for the aggressive interior attack, they knew where the fire was, hitting it from inside is extremely effective. Your OPINION and FACT are two different things, and they tend to disagree with one another. As I stated also, pushing fire doesn't work. I don't exactly understand what "point" your're trying to make. They're putting the fire out from inside, not trying to push it. To me, it looks like a bunch of useless rambling so you can try and insult more people because you're a self centered, arrogant, hasbeen that can't get over himself.
Flash Your and others opinion of me and who I am could not be further from the truth but go ahead and keep Guessing.
I have been watching these videos for 8 years and I could count on one hand the times that VV Could work. Not that it did anything positive but under the Perfect conditions you mentioned it Could work. For the 99.9% of times they go up and do Nothing, it is not worth the risk when all they have to do is open a window near the fire room. The smoke and flame self vent by releasing the pressure the fire created.
You, and the rest of the followers will Never let that sink in. You think because heat rises, it will go up through the hole and they can go inside to a wonderful environment. Ever see a chimney that wouldn't draw? A chimney is Designed to Let Heat go up and out of the house but often, because of higher pressure outside., the rising heat isn't sufficient. Cold dense air has to be forced out before a flow can be created.
In a house fire you also have pressure zones, air leaks, open doors and windows and gable end and soffit vents that destroy the structures ability to work like a chimney. Not to mention all the dampers. Floors, walls, ceilings and doors. Cut a hole in the roof and knock out the ceiling in a room with a closed door and you will never get heat and smoke from the first floor out the roof.
People view things in two dimensions. In this case that means, if they See fire and smoke coming out the hole, VVing must be working. In three dimensions, which means THINKING about it, what I said above applies.
I'm don't expect you or the other 95%ers to get this. I write my comments for civilians and young people because they only have common sense and logic to use and That's All They Need!
Flash The FACTS as you put it are information REPEATED by "Experts" like you from Other "Experts" like you! You don't say HOW it works, you just say that it does and a lot of people and experts Also say it does!
PROVE in Scientific DETAIL how Vertical Venting works. "Heat Rises." ain't gunna do it! Does heat rise up a cold chimney the moment you light the fire? Have you Ever lit a fire in a fireplace? Do you know how much communication and coordination is needed to pull off VVing successfully? Do you know how PERFECT the conditions inside a structure have to be in order to make heat and smoke rise up through a hole in the roof? The vast majority of humans can't coordinate Lunch and people who become fire fighters are going to coordinate VVing? Show me ONE video, ONE video that proves beyond a shadow of doubt that it is beneficial other than for burning down the house better.
I, have told you an the rest of the Followers how VV Doesn't work In DETAIL. In minute detail I have explained Why it doesn't work! Dozens of videos Show how it doesn't work and how fire players go on a roof to cut holes when it isn't even called for. ROBOTS! Non thinking ROBOTS!
It is You guys that just stand behind what You have been TOLD!. I THINK for myself and ask Why and get No Answers but, "You don't know what you are talking about." Sound familiar?