When a commentator is more well known than most of a sports participants, you know you've got something special on your hands. With Murray, we undoubtedly did. Legend!
@@TheYorkMan New Zealand documentary on three Kiwis at the top of their game .!!!. Bruce McLaren with Denny Hume & Chris Amon...www.nzonscreen.com/title/trio-at-the-top-2001
I had watched F1 most of my life, a piece of my love for F1 died when Murray retired, another piece died when Michael Schumacher retired. The irreplaceable voice of Formula 1 and a fine gentleman, rest in peace Murray.
Thank you very much, dear Murray, for all your fantastic passionate years in motorsport!!! And thank you very much for your consideration about Juan Manuel Fangio!!!!
My one fail in life was not to meet this man I did however listen to him for hours and hours and hours from boy to man to old git but still listened He will be so missed it can not be put into words Humble Inteligent everything we would all like to be R.I.P. Mr Walker and god go with those close to you !!!!! F1 Will never ever be the same it really will not and has not been since you left !!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thank you so much for what you gave me and others who love this sport with a passion Hope the racing is better than what we see now on the other side and if not you will make it good thats for sure !!!!!!!!!!
Excellent upload. I've got this on a VHS somewhere, I seem to recall it being shown pre- 1999 Australian Grand Prix in a late night "Grand Prix night" slot on ITV along with the movie Grand Prix.
My childhood was filled with lots of great memories of watching formula 1, I didn’t realize until Murray retired but he was the one making it so exciting and hearing his passion for racing through the microphone. Murray was and always will be the voice of Formula 1. I’d like to think that Murray is up in heaven with a lot of other F1 legends and on every race weekend they have a great time watching it.
No Way. Never. Murray is right, that Ayrton had a dark side. Watch what Martin Brundle said about it. Senne liked to bring his rivals into a situation, where they had to decide: accident or backing of. And if the other one backed of once, Senna knew for the future: thats what he always would do. But THATS not a good reason to favour Prost over Senna. Alain had a dark side too. Oh yes. He couldn't handle that Senna proved in 89, that he was the constant faster man. Only technical failures of Sennas car (5 times his car failed as Senna led the race) brought Prost close to the title. The Quali- duell was 14 : 02. And in Suzuka Alain did (yes, by intention!!! Prost turned 10 m bevor the corner to the right to make the collision) what Murray is accusing Senna for one year later. And did Prost get a punishment for it?. No. His friend and fellow frenchmen Jean-Marie Balestre disqualified Senna for no reason and handed Alains 3. titel over. What a travestie. And what was bevor the start of the 1990 Suzuka GP? The did try to cheat against Senna again. By changing the starting grid positions to give Prost the better line. This was a well provoked reaktion. And they knew it. A punishment for Senna? Not a word about it. Prost better then Senna? No Way. Sorry Mr. Walker. I adore U. But in this case you are wrong.
@@enricoknaak9683 his car failed 4 times while leading (USA, Canada (inheriting the lead once Prost retired with a suspension problem), Italy and France which he held for less than one turn), and points per race favour Prost, even with mechanical DNFs taken into account (81 in 15 races for Prost, or 5.4 per race, and 60 in 12 races for Senna, or 5.0 per race) Pole position in Suzuka was always on that side prior to 1990. "fellow friend and frenchman" who did nothing to help Prost in 1990 when he had cause to disqualify Senna but didn't. Prost definitely does have an argument to be considered better, considering he had more points than Senna in both years as teammates, and beat every teammate he had, which was the best lineup of teammates of any F1 legend.
@@clubpenguin13531 It's difficult to debate with a fanboy. Not 3 races, 5 times lead Senna before he had to stop. What about Silverstone, Monza and last-but-not-least the Mansell-Meltdown in Estoril. Forgot about that? Senna was the better driver in 89, by 0,3 s per lap min. in most races, with ab bigger gap in most Qualis. 1,3 s (!) in Spain. 1,3 s in Japan. 0,8 s in Australia. And thats only the last 3 GP. Get the facts straight.
@@enricoknaak9683 added Monza to the list, but the other two weren't car failures. Qualifying is irrelevant for the championship, otherwise Trulli would be considered a better driver than Alonso. Didn't acknowledge the points about pole in Suzuka, or Prost having more points as his teammate even with mechanical DNFs accounted for, or Balestre doing nothing in 1990 even though he'd apparently do anything to help Prost, but then again, it's difficult to debate with a fanboy.
"Style improves with time, no one is born with it" - Juan Manuel Fangio I many people make this mistake when taking up a passion. A lot of people try to find something else, and then move on from that, and start a cycle where you will probably never end up being good at anything. Find something you love. It doesn't have to be sim racing or even anything to do with 4 wheels, just anything. I first tried out DiRT Rally at 13 I think and I kept flying off a mountain in Audi Quattro. But I loved it, so I carried on. Using some of the experience from circuit racing, I eventually was able to finish a stage cleanly in a top 2000 world time. I tried harder, and by the time I was 14, I was getting into the top 100. Then DiRT Rally 2 rolled around. Since I was one of the first players, I got some early world records, but as expected, they were disposed of fast. But then I started getting a feel for where the limit was in some corners. This allowed me to get a few World Records around 3 or 4 months into the game. I then learned the art of consistency, being able to get to that same limit on any corner I felt comfortable with at all times, and holding myself back at the areas I wasn't used to. This meant I was incredibly fast in Finland, a place normally (even in video games) dominated by the scandinavians. But with my love of the Finnish roads and my previous high speed driving in circuit racing, I managed to get a clean sweep at one time for all stages in the most competitive category. I think some have been topped, but people are still seeing me (IMPREZZIVE 555) at the top. A year in, I met some of the top drivers at Autosport International DiRT Rally 2.0 series (wasn't old enough to compete, age limit 18) and I told some of the top guys my gamertag and they recognized me. You know you are one of the top players when the people you respect have a respect for you. Going into 1 1/2 years into DiRT Rally 2.0, I got a PC and started playing RBR (imo more realistic, better training for real life). Before this week, all my records were done on gravel and snow, as I struggled to get a feel for tarmac rallying. But I faced my fear, and managed to find the limit with some practice, and got my 1st Tarmac record on the Czech Rally School. Fangio is an absolute legend. If there was the same coverage as there is today, he would have been an absolute superstar, I dare say, far surpassing Hamilton's level, since he was just a league above everyone else. I know I wasn't even born when he died, but there's just this unique flair about him which inspires me.
Both Fangio, and Ayrton Senna said that Jim Clark was the greatest driver of all time. I´ll take their word for it. Michael Schumacher didn´t say it though.
What a Legend hope your up there with Jim Clark and Niki Lauda James Hunt and all the other drivers. Im amazed at how he predicted Michael being perhaps one of the greatest ever
I’ve followed him for years when Damon started at Brabham and The awful death of Ayrton at Imola .I have most loads of f1 books magazines DVD’s and models. F1 is my life I love it.And meeting Murray at a book signing for his autobiography at Christmas a few years ago having a private meeting upstairs at the bookshop talking about Damon’s last lap at Suzuka becoming world champion in 96.Having tea and mince pies .I will never forget. He was a wonderful man it was a privilege to meet him.I’m heartbroken it’s so sad. Please god they rename part of the silverstone track ,After him! Personally I think he should buried at the track.F1 was his life after all.
Thanks for sharing, Im enjoying this immensely, and writing a comment after watching to the end of the Stirling Moss entry as Im so enjoying it! 😀👍 I dont remember being treated to this gem piece of F1 content at the time, and indeed living in Australia could well explain why it was never shared with us racefans. I just wanted to stop here and announce to the universe that Mr Moss was the finest dude, and that Motorsport, well particularly 50's and 60's Motorsport, could not have wished for a finner dude to represent what racing and being a racer, is all about. He had speed, brains, style, sportsmanship, humility, confidence, honour, interlect, great articulation, and dammit the dude was even blessed with rather sharpish good looks to go with it. When Murray declared at the end of the segment, "we should all be allowed to call him "Lord Stirling Moss, Lord of Motorsport" I actually shouted my agreement at Murray Walker with a ferver that rather surprised me... Old racecars are gteat. Old Racecar Drivers are fantastic. And old Races are fascinating and, well, eternal. Love Moss' Pro Dudeness. Anyway, Senna sempre #1 Except maybe for good looks, as Moss might have the edge, even with a the bald going on Moss is 60's Jason Stratham. 😎 I can testify that, as I'm born in the year of James Hunt's title, the reverence for older racers that were heros in my Fathers formative years is 'real rose coloured glasses at times.' Us Senna-fanatics did not arrive at our fanatisism blindly! 😁 Thanks again for the share.
I was surprised to see Michael at 6 and thought Murray had put Lewis Hamilton before him but at 20:33 he said despite he’s age 30 and having won 2 championship, I realized this show had to be produced before 2000’s finale. PS - Just heard 20:40 him saying, ‘in my view he could go to become the greatest of all time’, glad Murray himself witnessed this in his life.
Prophetic of Murray to say Schumacher could become the greatest ever... which he ended up being for 15/16 years... shows how much he knew about F1! REST IN PEACE MURRAY!
I was thinking the same thing, and Lewis Hamilton must now join him high up the list. However, Murray's rationale for selecting JM Fangio at #1 seems impossible to displace.
Its about as true as placing Prost above Senna! Schumacher wasn't anyway near the greatest driver, he had special Bridestone tyres, a second a lap quicker than other runners and he drove in a very weak era, well, until Alonso came along.
@@creepingdread88 I don’t agree that Schumacher wasn’t as special as Senna or Prost or Fangio, I think he was, or else he wouldn’t have achieved what he did! Even with all the advantages he may have had...! When Alonso came along, there was a huge change in regulation that hindered Ferrari a lot, and in 2006 he was already back on top... I believe that if he stayed for 2007 and 2008, he would’ve been champion in those 2years again
@@creepingdread88 and about putting Prost above Senna and Fangio above both of them, it’s his opinion, and an opinion is based on a person’s perception, so I don’t argue with it... even because I didn’t see any of them race, so I can’t make an argument for why he’s right or wrong...
F1 fans' hatred for Prost is just petty and ridiculous. They conveniently forget there were several times when he and Senna had the SAME car and he beat him FAIR AND SQUARE. And they told Prost to shut up when Senna deliberately rammed him to steal the 1988 title from him. But they cry and piss about ANYTHING Michael Schumacher did. Murray reminded F1 magazine that in terms of bad behavior, "Senna was worse, infinitely worse." So true. Remember this is the same one who PUNCHED Eddie Irving for managing to hold him off for one lap in Japan in 1993. The sucker should have been banned from the sport for the first five races of the 1994 season and fined a few thousand quid.
What a shame. It only got to Number 5 on the list and an advert appeared (promotiing something either rubbish or grotesque, as is the wont). I imagine his top five drivers were, in ascending order, Moss, Fangio, Piquet, Senna and Prost.
I respect Murrys reasons, but as to senna we have not to forget that the 1990 incident comes because of what happened in 1989 and balestre putting senna in the wrong lane of the circuit in the 1990, both times unfair to senna... so, i believe that senna being the most skilled driver ever, should be in number 1, as murray said would have putted if it was not for that 1990 incident.
It wasn't Balestre who put Senna to wrong lane, the pole was on that side since 1987. Balestre or Bruynseraede just didn't changed the layout for Senna. Please don't learn F1 history from the Senna movie, it was very biased.
1989 was a disaster for Senna, he pretty much won the race or retired from it, his McLaren wasn't reliable enough. He was always faster than Prost, who himself was an amazing driver, but luck played a big part. Prost ran into Senna, there's no doubt about it, Senna returned the favour in '90. Senna gets shit for that, but Prost never does. For anyone not around in the days of Senna, just look how Alonso is treated today and you'll get the idea.
@@nemorinoeso7581 its not history through Senna views, those are the facts: 1989 prost hit Senna in suzuka, thats obvious when you are the air footage ...Senna incredibly still wons the Race, Balestre disqualifies Senna and gives the Championship to prost ...1990 Senna asked to Change the Lane because was um the dirty side of the track, they didnt let him, and he didnt brake in the corner, ending the Race...those are facts and everybody knows That Balestre favoured his countryman prost
@@jglx28 We need to clarify things, you said, that Balestre put Senna to the dirty side but in fact that was the pole side from the beginning, nobody had any problem with it in 1987, in 1988 or in 1989. In 1990 Senna claimed to change this layout and they din't do that for him. There was no safety concern or anything, just Senna wanted to gain further advantage. About Balestre favoring Prost all I can say, that Prost was disqualified in Imola, 1985 and in Monza, 1986, two of his championship years. Both years were quite tight, so if this is how Balestre favors anybody, I think noone would ask his favor. I am watching Formula 1 since the eighties, I saw all the races since 1983 and I didn't hear anything about Balestre favoring Prost before the Senna movie. Senna fans use to think this as some kind of axiom, but it is not, it needs proofs. Balestre and Senna clearly didn't get along but that doesn't mean that Balestre favoured his countryman. Murray was there, he knew what happened in the backstage and belive me, he had his reasons to put Senna behind Prost.
@@chubbz5150ify Agreed - if I was to pinpoint it I would say on the Saturday night before the Aussie Grand Prix season opener, 1999 - ISTR ITV doing a "Grand Prix Night" along with the eponymous movie.
Lord Moss could still happen If by todays SIR standards then he should be a lord as should Mr Walker Pop stars madona racing drivers to name but a few who become Sirs is a Joke a total Joke in my humble opinion Lets get a Lord Moss and Walker pole up and running ??
The top 10 from f1metrics is the most objective and fascinating! I tend to lean towards agreeing with much of this list as well. 1. Michael Schumacher 2. Jackie Stewart 3. Fernando Alonso 4. Juan Manuel Fangio 5. Alberto Ascari 6. Jim Clark 7. Lewis Hamilton 8. Sebastian Vettel 9. Max Verstappen 10. Sterling Moss
@@LeeJane2009 Nope, and the author explains this as well. He couldn't believe it himself as he is a huge Senna fan, but his mathematical model believes that Senna is not as good as some of the drivers of today or some of the drivers from even before his time. Prost is rated 20th and Senna 21st according to his model. He went on a mission to figuring out why that is. For example, he believed that having Prost as a rival detracted from Senna's score in the math formula, but he found out that if he removed Prost from the history books, Senna still only went up to ~15th place IIRC. Same with Prost if you removed Senna as his team mate. His model is very objective and relies on team chains. I.e if theres a ton of data to point to the fact that driver A is much better than driver B, then if B and C are team mates for a long period of time, you can link C to A. His model also accounts for age related decline, etc. What his model found, was that the drivers who started in the 1980s linked to the ones who started in 1990s showed a massive advantage to the 1990s drivers, on average. The best explanation is because in the 1990s, especially later 90s, drivers started training far more, were far more physically fit, had been racing since they were children, etc. It seems evident that the 1980s era was fairly weak and the few drivers that stood out, such as Senna and Prost, stood out more because the competition wasn't as good. No such massive shift in quality phenomenon exists when moving from the 1990s to 2000s, or moving from 2000s to 2010s. Whereas moving from the 1970s to 1980s shows that the 1980s drivers were fairly substandard - a weaker cohort of talent. Therefore, there's a very strong argument to be made that Senna is actually nowhere near as great as he's been made out to be..if you put him at his best in this era, in 2021, its very likely he would only end up being around Bottas level.
Murray said later when he was asked again that after michael won 7 times that he is now the number 2. so and based of what he brought up to make this ranking lets see where Vettel; Hamilton and Alonso fit in so starting with vettel: he showed at BMW sauber at the fridays practise that he was fast. moving to torro rosso in 2008 he won his first race in the rain in a slower car and moved on to red bull to claim 4 titles after that he moved to ferrari and failed to his nerves. i put him behind senna. on 4th. Hamilton: he went head to head with a 2 times world champion in his first year at f1 and claimed his first title one year later by one point in a dramatic fashion. he showed his skill especially in the rain at the season final in brasil and at the 2008 british grand prix wich he won, when his rival massa spun multiple times. he then had a few years where he drove in the midfield and in 2013 he moved to mercedes where he would win the title for to this day 5 additional times and he is on his way to win for a 7th time wich no one thought was possible. in his earlier days he showed weaknesses wich he seemed to have extinguished. now he drives every race with such a high perfection and seems unbeatable and off the track he is a very humble and nice guy. I put him 3 behind prost due to the fact that prost had a little more up to the sleeve even though hamilton and mercedes are one the way to beat every record. Now alonso: Alonso started 2001 with minardi anc claimed his first win in hungary 2003 and went on to beat Schumacher and raikkönen in 2005 claiming his first title against the 7 times world champion michael schumacher.in 2006 ferrari was back to form and alonso managed to beat schumacher for a second time. even though alonso only won 2 world titles, he is known to be one of the completest drivers. 2017 he went for the indy 500 victory and even though he was fast and in for the win, his engine broke down. in 2018 he won le mans with toyota and 2019 he took part in the rally dakar i would say he is between moss and clark the reasoning is it took him 4 years in f1 to claim his first title he only managed two times and things others before him managed to do he doesnt have something like that
@@kretzschi5000 Fangio will always be #1....to start F1 at 39(when most are retiring) and winning his last race at 47 is incredible.......but some how i'd put Gilles Villeneuve in my top 10.
Murray, Senna crashes into a competitor on purpose so he's not the best for that? Also, everyone knows that people admire more those that were around while they were young. Older people rate Pele the best ever while one generation will always say Maradona and another Messi. So it's no surprise that you went for Fangio - I just think you're wrong.
Sorry, i liekd Murray Walker but this ranking is a Joke. Senna's Revenge in Japan was the answer to the Race one year before. This was perfect french Mafiosi-Action from Prost and the f.... Balestre.
No lewis hamilton Sebastián Vettel Fernando Alonso kimi raikkonen or Max verstappen this list is already old in my eyes why doesnt he included these five drivers???
I doubt Max Verstappen was even born when this was made. What an asinine question. None of them had even raced in F1 at the time he made this. The VHS quality should give it away lol. What an absolutely ridiculous question. It IS OLD.
I can date it exactly - it is from March 1999 and was shown as part of the lead in to the season opening Australin Grand Prix on ITV. I remember watching it and I have it on home recorded VHS somewhere too.@@rowds
When a commentator is more well known than most of a sports participants, you know you've got something special on your hands. With Murray, we undoubtedly did. Legend!
Rest in peace Murray 🏁🏁🏁🏁
20:36 and how on point he was with that feeling
RIP old friend, you'll be sorely missed.
Not really... He hasn't been a active commentator for 20 years... I think we've all got used to him not being omnipresent at F1 races..
@@TheYorkMan New Zealand documentary on three Kiwis at the top of their game .!!!. Bruce McLaren with Denny Hume & Chris Amon...www.nzonscreen.com/title/trio-at-the-top-2001
I had watched F1 most of my life, a piece of my love for F1 died when Murray retired, another piece died when Michael Schumacher retired.
The irreplaceable voice of Formula 1 and a fine gentleman, rest in peace Murray.
Same here. The 2014 technical regulation changes destroyed the sport.
RIP Murray, am imagining you catching up with everyone else up there. I cannot overstate the authority you spoke - and still speak - with.
20:23 he was certainly absolutely right!
The great voice of Murray Walker, R.I.P
What a man and legend Murray was and will Always remain. You'll be miss very much.
Thank you very much, dear Murray, for all your fantastic passionate years in motorsport!!! And thank you very much for your consideration about Juan Manuel Fangio!!!!
My one fail in life was not to meet this man I did however listen to him for hours and hours and hours from boy to man to old git but still listened
He will be so missed it can not be put into words Humble Inteligent everything we would all like to be R.I.P. Mr Walker and god go with those close
to you !!!!! F1 Will never ever be the same it really will not and has not been since you left !!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thank you so much for what you gave me and
others who love this sport with a passion Hope the racing is better than what we see now on the other side and if not you will make it good thats
for sure !!!!!!!!!!
Very true. Same here.
RIP Murray your enthusiasm and voice will forever be in our heads thank you you made F1 so much fun
Imagine putting Moss ahead of Schumacher, Clark, Stewart and Lauda 🤦🤦🤦 I'm sorry but that's ridiculous
What a great list from Murray Walker, much respect. Thank you for sharing this.
Thanks for saying, Merry Christmas :)
@@LeeJane2009 Thank you, and Merry Christmas 2020.
Excellent upload. I've got this on a VHS somewhere, I seem to recall it being shown pre- 1999 Australian Grand Prix in a late night "Grand Prix night" slot on ITV along with the movie Grand Prix.
RIP Murray Walker! One of the legends.
Can't believe he put Stirling Moss ahead of Niki Lauda
What a purely nice guy and a pleasure to listen too. RIP Murray Walker OBE. 👍👍👍
Murray: ' I think Michael Schumacher's best racing could still be ahead of him"
RIP Murray
"Absolutely amazing", "oh, my goodness"... rest in peace
So long Murray. There will never be another like you.
RIP legend, Murray predicted Micheal's success!
My childhood was filled with lots of great memories of watching formula 1, I didn’t realize until Murray retired but he was the one making it so exciting and hearing his passion for racing through the microphone. Murray was and always will be the voice of Formula 1. I’d like to think that Murray is up in heaven with a lot of other F1 legends and on every race weekend they have a great time watching it.
To win without the best car is a true champ and the only champ not like today I am sad to say !!!!
RIP Murray. Prost ahead of Senna like I always said.
No Way. Never.
Murray is right, that Ayrton had a dark side. Watch what Martin Brundle said about it. Senne liked to bring his rivals into a situation, where they had to decide: accident or backing of. And if the other one backed of once, Senna knew for the future: thats what he always would do.
But THATS not a good reason to favour Prost over Senna. Alain had a dark side too. Oh yes.
He couldn't handle that Senna proved in 89, that he was the constant faster man. Only technical failures of Sennas car (5 times his car failed as Senna led the race) brought Prost close to the title. The Quali- duell was 14 : 02. And in Suzuka Alain did (yes, by intention!!! Prost turned 10 m bevor the corner to the right to make the collision) what Murray is accusing Senna for one year later.
And did Prost get a punishment for it?. No. His friend and fellow frenchmen Jean-Marie Balestre disqualified Senna for no reason and handed Alains 3. titel over. What a travestie.
And what was bevor the start of the 1990 Suzuka GP? The did try to cheat against Senna again. By changing the starting grid positions to give Prost the better line.
This was a well provoked reaktion. And they knew it. A punishment for Senna? Not a word about it.
Prost better then Senna? No Way.
Sorry Mr. Walker. I adore U. But in this case you are wrong.
@@enricoknaak9683 sorry but the stats show Prost was the better driver!
Probably not by much though.
@@enricoknaak9683 his car failed 4 times while leading (USA, Canada (inheriting the lead once Prost retired with a suspension problem), Italy and France which he held for less than one turn), and points per race favour Prost, even with mechanical DNFs taken into account (81 in 15 races for Prost, or 5.4 per race, and 60 in 12 races for Senna, or 5.0 per race)
Pole position in Suzuka was always on that side prior to 1990.
"fellow friend and frenchman" who did nothing to help Prost in 1990 when he had cause to disqualify Senna but didn't.
Prost definitely does have an argument to be considered better, considering he had more points than Senna in both years as teammates, and beat every teammate he had, which was the best lineup of teammates of any F1 legend.
@@clubpenguin13531 It's difficult to debate with a fanboy.
Not 3 races, 5 times lead Senna before he had to stop. What about Silverstone, Monza and last-but-not-least the Mansell-Meltdown in Estoril. Forgot about that?
Senna was the better driver in 89, by 0,3 s per lap min. in most races, with ab bigger gap in most Qualis.
1,3 s (!) in Spain. 1,3 s in Japan. 0,8 s in Australia. And thats only the last 3 GP.
Get the facts straight.
@@enricoknaak9683 added Monza to the list, but the other two weren't car failures.
Qualifying is irrelevant for the championship, otherwise Trulli would be considered a better driver than Alonso.
Didn't acknowledge the points about pole in Suzuka, or Prost having more points as his teammate even with mechanical DNFs accounted for, or Balestre doing nothing in 1990 even though he'd apparently do anything to help Prost, but then again, it's difficult to debate with a fanboy.
"Style improves with time, no one is born with it" - Juan Manuel Fangio
I many people make this mistake when taking up a passion. A lot of people try to find something else, and then move on from that, and start a cycle where you will probably never end up being good at anything. Find something you love. It doesn't have to be sim racing or even anything to do with 4 wheels, just anything. I first tried out DiRT Rally at 13 I think and I kept flying off a mountain in Audi Quattro. But I loved it, so I carried on. Using some of the experience from circuit racing, I eventually was able to finish a stage cleanly in a top 2000 world time. I tried harder, and by the time I was 14, I was getting into the top 100. Then DiRT Rally 2 rolled around. Since I was one of the first players, I got some early world records, but as expected, they were disposed of fast. But then I started getting a feel for where the limit was in some corners. This allowed me to get a few World Records around 3 or 4 months into the game. I then learned the art of consistency, being able to get to that same limit on any corner I felt comfortable with at all times, and holding myself back at the areas I wasn't used to. This meant I was incredibly fast in Finland, a place normally (even in video games) dominated by the scandinavians. But with my love of the Finnish roads and my previous high speed driving in circuit racing, I managed to get a clean sweep at one time for all stages in the most competitive category. I think some have been topped, but people are still seeing me (IMPREZZIVE 555) at the top. A year in, I met some of the top drivers at Autosport International DiRT Rally 2.0 series (wasn't old enough to compete, age limit 18) and I told some of the top guys my gamertag and they recognized me. You know you are one of the top players when the people you respect have a respect for you. Going into 1 1/2 years into DiRT Rally 2.0, I got a PC and started playing RBR (imo more realistic, better training for real life). Before this week, all my records were done on gravel and snow, as I struggled to get a feel for tarmac rallying. But I faced my fear, and managed to find the limit with some practice, and got my 1st Tarmac record on the Czech Rally School. Fangio is an absolute legend. If there was the same coverage as there is today, he would have been an absolute superstar, I dare say, far surpassing Hamilton's level, since he was just a league above everyone else. I know I wasn't even born when he died, but there's just this unique flair about him which inspires me.
Both Fangio, and Ayrton Senna said that Jim Clark was the greatest driver of all time. I´ll take their word for it. Michael Schumacher didn´t say it though.
RIP Legend Murray
Lauda's bravery was beyond my ability to comprehend.
May your memory ever be honoured .
1:24 in Bob Dance of Lotus. Rest in peace Murray Walker. Brought excitement to millions.
Murray made Michael Schumacher smile! Great work, Murray!
I hope there's a big commemoration for Murray at Silverstone later this year. What's more, I hope there's a full house to do it.
They should name part of the circuit after him
@@laracollard5009 If Hammy gets one, so should Murray. 100x the man
Oh Murray you will forever be in my heart. Rest well with the ancestors. I was absolutley upset but he is always in F1.
A great loss for all fans of the sport. Perfect analysis of his top 10 drivers. I wish, we would have someone like him for the german commentaries.
What a Legend hope your up there with Jim Clark and Niki Lauda James Hunt and all the other drivers. Im amazed at how he predicted Michael being perhaps one of the greatest ever
RIP the voice of motorsport
Jim Clark and Fangio would be my top two. But can’t decide which of them I’d put first
i had the pleasure of shaking hands with Sir Stirling Moss. Murray was right. such a gent.
34:14..............It`s been beaten...............and then beaten again. R.I.P Murray Walker........I miss " Your Spirit "
RIP Murray
I’ve followed him for years when Damon started at Brabham and The awful death of Ayrton at Imola .I have most loads of f1 books magazines DVD’s and models. F1 is my life I love it.And meeting Murray at a book signing for his autobiography at Christmas a few years ago having a private meeting upstairs at the bookshop talking about Damon’s last lap at Suzuka becoming world champion in 96.Having tea and mince pies .I will never forget. He was a wonderful man it was a privilege to meet him.I’m heartbroken it’s so sad. Please god they rename part of the silverstone track ,After him! Personally I think he should buried at the track.F1 was his life after all.
Thank you for sharing your lovely memories .
Even today Fangio is still the Greatest F1 driver of all time. RIP, Fangio and Murray.
*Clark
Rest in Peace. The commentator legend.
So sadly missed.
Thanks for sharing, Im enjoying this immensely, and writing a comment after watching to the end of the Stirling Moss entry as Im so enjoying it! 😀👍 I dont remember being treated to this gem piece of F1 content at the time, and indeed living in Australia could well explain why it was never shared with us racefans.
I just wanted to stop here and announce to the universe that Mr Moss was the finest dude, and that Motorsport, well particularly 50's and 60's Motorsport, could not have wished for a finner dude to represent what racing and being a racer, is all about. He had speed, brains, style, sportsmanship, humility, confidence, honour, interlect, great articulation, and dammit the dude was even blessed with rather sharpish good looks to go with it. When Murray declared at the end of the segment, "we should all be allowed to call him "Lord Stirling Moss, Lord of Motorsport" I actually shouted my agreement at Murray Walker with a ferver that rather surprised me...
Old racecars are gteat. Old Racecar Drivers are fantastic. And old Races are fascinating and, well, eternal.
Love Moss' Pro Dudeness. Anyway, Senna sempre #1
Except maybe for good looks, as Moss might have the edge, even with a the bald going on
Moss is 60's Jason Stratham.
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I can testify that, as I'm born in the year of James Hunt's title, the reverence for older racers that were heros in my Fathers formative years is 'real rose coloured glasses at times.' Us Senna-fanatics did not arrive at our fanatisism blindly! 😁
Thanks again for the share.
Thanks mate, glad you enjoyed it, all the way from Australia.
It's a great list and very well argued. I'd change the order quite a bit, but you've gotta respect the Murray.
RIP Murray and Jim Clark
F1 just isn't the same without Murray. He was Mr Formula One.
I was surprised to see Michael at 6 and thought Murray had put Lewis Hamilton before him but at 20:33 he said despite he’s age 30 and having won 2 championship, I realized this show had to be produced before 2000’s finale.
PS - Just heard 20:40 him saying, ‘in my view he could go to become the greatest of all time’, glad Murray himself witnessed this in his life.
Murray knew his stuff alright 🙂
I believe it was done pre-1999 season opener. I could be wrong though. Remember watching it on the night, I have it on VHS somewhere.
That michael schumacher he did alrite in the end
35:45 😭😭😭 - I wish he was still with us
Murray was F1 for me, when he retired F1 lost so much of its sparkle I rarely watch it now.
Thanks for the memories Murray😎
Prophetic of Murray to say Schumacher could become the greatest ever... which he ended up being for 15/16 years... shows how much he knew about F1! REST IN PEACE MURRAY!
I was thinking the same thing, and Lewis Hamilton must now join him high up the list.
However, Murray's rationale for selecting JM Fangio at #1 seems impossible to displace.
Its about as true as placing Prost above Senna! Schumacher wasn't anyway near the greatest driver, he had special Bridestone tyres, a second a lap quicker than other runners and he drove in a very weak era, well, until Alonso came along.
@@creepingdread88 I don’t agree that Schumacher wasn’t as special as Senna or Prost or Fangio, I think he was, or else he wouldn’t have achieved what he did! Even with all the advantages he may have had...! When Alonso came along, there was a huge change in regulation that hindered Ferrari a lot, and in 2006 he was already back on top... I believe that if he stayed for 2007 and 2008, he would’ve been champion in those 2years again
@@creepingdread88 and about putting Prost above Senna and Fangio above both of them, it’s his opinion, and an opinion is based on a person’s perception, so I don’t argue with it... even because I didn’t see any of them race, so I can’t make an argument for why he’s right or wrong...
@@creepingdread88 a weak era? not as weak as this hybrid era. lol
Fly high buddy
'Lemme put on this cloth helmet, and 1 strap seat belt and go 150mph'...lol. these guys were insane
1. Fangio
2. Prost
3. Senna
4. Moss
5. Clark
6. Schumacher
7. Stewart
8. Lauda
9. Ascari
10. Mansell
F1 fans' hatred for Prost is just petty and ridiculous. They conveniently forget there were several times when he and Senna had the SAME car and he beat him FAIR AND SQUARE. And they told Prost to shut up when Senna deliberately rammed him to steal the 1988 title from him. But they cry and piss about ANYTHING Michael Schumacher did. Murray reminded F1 magazine that in terms of bad behavior, "Senna was worse, infinitely worse." So true. Remember this is the same one who PUNCHED Eddie Irving for managing to hold him off for one lap in Japan in 1993. The sucker should have been banned from the sport for the first five races of the 1994 season and fined a few thousand quid.
Tell you what Jim Clark would have beaten Prost,Senna etc easily even with the modern cars.Jim was the best!
Agreed. My top two would be Clark and Fangio but can’t decide which order.
Sure i got this for christmas one year.
I had it too back in the day. Seem to recall the DVD had Murrays ride with Martin from 1998 in the Two Seater Mclaren as an extra.
What a shame. It only got to Number 5 on the list and an advert appeared (promotiing something either rubbish or grotesque, as is the wont). I imagine his top five drivers were, in ascending order, Moss, Fangio, Piquet, Senna and Prost.
My guy was Niki. Tough guy
Jackie Stewart loved himself some self lol
I respect Murrys reasons, but as to senna we have not to forget that the 1990 incident comes because of what happened in 1989 and balestre putting senna in the wrong lane of the circuit in the 1990, both times unfair to senna... so, i believe that senna being the most skilled driver ever, should be in number 1, as murray said would have putted if it was not for that 1990 incident.
It wasn't Balestre who put Senna to wrong lane, the pole was on that side since 1987. Balestre or Bruynseraede just didn't changed the layout for Senna. Please don't learn F1 history from the Senna movie, it was very biased.
1989 was a disaster for Senna, he pretty much won the race or retired from it, his McLaren wasn't reliable enough. He was always faster than Prost, who himself was an amazing driver, but luck played a big part. Prost ran into Senna, there's no doubt about it, Senna returned the favour in '90. Senna gets shit for that, but Prost never does. For anyone not around in the days of Senna, just look how Alonso is treated today and you'll get the idea.
@@nemorinoeso7581 its not history through Senna views, those are the facts: 1989 prost hit Senna in suzuka, thats obvious when you are the air footage ...Senna incredibly still wons the Race, Balestre disqualifies Senna and gives the Championship to prost ...1990 Senna asked to Change the Lane because was um the dirty side of the track, they didnt let him, and he didnt brake in the corner, ending the Race...those are facts and everybody knows That Balestre favoured his countryman prost
@@jglx28 We need to clarify things, you said, that Balestre put Senna to the dirty side but in fact that was the pole side from the beginning, nobody had any problem with it in 1987, in 1988 or in 1989. In 1990 Senna claimed to change this layout and they din't do that for him. There was no safety concern or anything, just Senna wanted to gain further advantage.
About Balestre favoring Prost all I can say, that Prost was disqualified in Imola, 1985 and in Monza, 1986, two of his championship years. Both years were quite tight, so if this is how Balestre favors anybody, I think noone would ask his favor. I am watching Formula 1 since the eighties, I saw all the races since 1983 and I didn't hear anything about Balestre favoring Prost before the Senna movie. Senna fans use to think this as some kind of axiom, but it is not, it needs proofs. Balestre and Senna clearly didn't get along but that doesn't mean that Balestre favoured his countryman. Murray was there, he knew what happened in the backstage and belive me, he had his reasons to put Senna behind Prost.
Schumacher No.6 - behave Murray
OK I'll give you "that he still might prove to be No.1"
List was published in March 1999. Schumacher at that point had less championships than Lauda, Clark, Senna, Prost and Fangio.
Could anyone tell me when this was broadcast? We will miss you Murray.
Around 1999/2000 I remember watching it when it was released.
@@chubbz5150ify Agreed - if I was to pinpoint it I would say on the Saturday night before the Aussie Grand Prix season opener, 1999 - ISTR ITV doing a "Grand Prix Night" along with the eponymous movie.
I see why Murray moved Senna into 3rd behind Prost but obviously Senna was even better than Prost and Prost knew it - so did Murray. Great video!
It really wasn't that obvious
Lord Moss could still happen If by todays SIR standards then he should be a lord as should Mr Walker Pop stars madona racing drivers to
name but a few who become Sirs is a Joke a total Joke in my humble opinion Lets get a Lord Moss and Walker pole up and running ??
The top 10 from f1metrics is the most objective and fascinating! I tend to lean towards agreeing with much of this list as well.
1. Michael Schumacher
2. Jackie Stewart
3. Fernando Alonso
4. Juan Manuel Fangio
5. Alberto Ascari
6. Jim Clark
7. Lewis Hamilton
8. Sebastian Vettel
9. Max Verstappen
10. Sterling Moss
Controversial! No Senna or Prost? 🙂
@@LeeJane2009 Nope, and the author explains this as well. He couldn't believe it himself as he is a huge Senna fan, but his mathematical model believes that Senna is not as good as some of the drivers of today or some of the drivers from even before his time. Prost is rated 20th and Senna 21st according to his model. He went on a mission to figuring out why that is. For example, he believed that having Prost as a rival detracted from Senna's score in the math formula, but he found out that if he removed Prost from the history books, Senna still only went up to ~15th place IIRC. Same with Prost if you removed Senna as his team mate.
His model is very objective and relies on team chains. I.e if theres a ton of data to point to the fact that driver A is much better than driver B, then if B and C are team mates for a long period of time, you can link C to A. His model also accounts for age related decline, etc. What his model found, was that the drivers who started in the 1980s linked to the ones who started in 1990s showed a massive advantage to the 1990s drivers, on average. The best explanation is because in the 1990s, especially later 90s, drivers started training far more, were far more physically fit, had been racing since they were children, etc. It seems evident that the 1980s era was fairly weak and the few drivers that stood out, such as Senna and Prost, stood out more because the competition wasn't as good. No such massive shift in quality phenomenon exists when moving from the 1990s to 2000s, or moving from 2000s to 2010s. Whereas moving from the 1970s to 1980s shows that the 1980s drivers were fairly substandard - a weaker cohort of talent.
Therefore, there's a very strong argument to be made that Senna is actually nowhere near as great as he's been made out to be..if you put him at his best in this era, in 2021, its very likely he would only end up being around Bottas level.
Interesting 👍
This list is ridiculous.
@@syberian18 explain why
Rest in Peace Murray , No Piquet ?
18:29 a message to all the people that say "SchUmAchER oNly WoN in DoMiNAnT CaRS"
Murray said later when he was asked again that after michael won 7 times that he is now the number 2. so and based of what he brought up to make this ranking lets see where Vettel; Hamilton and Alonso fit in so starting with vettel: he showed at BMW sauber at the fridays practise that he was fast. moving to torro rosso in 2008 he won his first race in the rain in a slower car and moved on to red bull to claim 4 titles after that he moved to ferrari and failed to his nerves. i put him behind senna. on 4th. Hamilton: he went head to head with a 2 times world champion in his first year at f1 and claimed his first title one year later by one point in a dramatic fashion. he showed his skill especially in the rain at the season final in brasil and at the 2008 british grand prix wich he won, when his rival massa spun multiple times. he then had a few years where he drove in the midfield and in 2013 he moved to mercedes where he would win the title for to this day 5 additional times and he is on his way to win for a 7th time wich no one thought was possible. in his earlier days he showed weaknesses wich he seemed to have extinguished. now he drives every race with such a high perfection and seems unbeatable and off the track he is a very humble and nice guy. I put him 3 behind prost due to the fact that prost had a little more up to the sleeve even though hamilton and mercedes are one the way to beat every record. Now alonso: Alonso started 2001 with minardi anc claimed his first win in hungary 2003 and went on to beat Schumacher and raikkönen in 2005 claiming his first title against the 7 times world champion michael schumacher.in 2006 ferrari was back to form and alonso managed to beat schumacher for a second time. even though alonso only won 2 world titles, he is known to be one of the completest drivers. 2017 he went for the indy 500 victory and even though he was fast and in for the win, his engine broke down. in 2018 he won le mans with toyota and 2019 he took part in the rally dakar i would say he is between moss and clark the reasoning is it took him 4 years in f1 to claim his first title he only managed two times and things others before him managed to do he doesnt have something like that
i edited that comment due to the fact that i wrote something wrong because Walkers Nr. 1 stayed Fangio
@@kretzschi5000 Fangio will always be #1....to start F1 at 39(when most are retiring) and winning his last race at 47 is incredible.......but some how i'd put Gilles Villeneuve in my top 10.
RIP to a legend, Mr. Murray Walker. By the way, Senna is the G.O.A.T., see @ 35:48 for proof.
I was there 😊
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5th position for Clark was dumb, he deserved 2nd
F1 2002 Please
i think this video was created before that year.
Senna was a crash driver. A good driver but overrated.
But as usual Senna was right the Pole Position in Japan was on the wrong side of the track giving the second place an advantage
Alain Prost better than Jim Clark or Michael Schumacer? no way Murray.
34:15 : Hamilton: Hold my beer
jebote Hamilton
PRO>SENNA???????????????????
It's a defensible opinion
I don't agree with Murray's choice of Number 1. Jim Clark was the greatest of them all in my opinion
Murray, Senna crashes into a competitor on purpose so he's not the best for that? Also, everyone knows that people admire more those that were around while they were young. Older people rate Pele the best ever while one generation will always say Maradona and another Messi. So it's no surprise that you went for Fangio - I just think you're wrong.
Murray did say it was his own personal opinion, but thanks for watching 👍
NIGEL - talented, but a "cry baby" - not respected by many drivers, Especially Mario Andretti
34:09 --- Sir Lewis Hamilton: Hold my smoothie
This is old.
Sorry, i liekd Murray Walker but this ranking is a Joke. Senna's Revenge in Japan was the answer to the Race one year before. This was perfect french Mafiosi-Action from Prost and the f.... Balestre.
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Murray is being selective with his outrage. He has Schumacher as his number 1 even though he has a laundry list of dirty tactics and violations.
Walker is great but Prost > Senna is absurd.
Like Murray said, it’s his own personal opinion 👍
It's a defensible opinion
no.it is good as is.
No lewis hamilton Sebastián Vettel Fernando Alonso kimi raikkonen or Max verstappen this list is already old in my eyes why doesnt he included these five drivers???
I doubt Max Verstappen was even born when this was made. What an asinine question. None of them had even raced in F1 at the time he made this. The VHS quality should give it away lol. What an absolutely ridiculous question. It IS OLD.
I can date it exactly - it is from March 1999 and was shown as part of the lead in to the season opening Australin Grand Prix on ITV. I remember watching it and I have it on home recorded VHS somewhere too.@@rowds
Earlier. March 1999.@@PorscheWilliamsformulaone2026