Rachel Riley on combating antisemitism, 10 years on Countdown and getting girls into maths
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- Опубліковано 21 вер 2024
- Rachel Riley has been the resident mathematician on game show Countdown for 10 years now, but that's not just what she came on our podcast to talk about.
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She's here to do her first serious interview on why she thinks antisemitism in the UK needs to be tackled, the online abuse she's received since speaking up about it and why she thinks more people need to call it out.
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"I need evidence to believe things." Judging from your smear campaign, you clearly don't.
Rachel says she's saddened by the perpetuation of Jewish stereotypes after announcing "I don't look like a TYPICAL JEW".
Maybe she hasn't really thought of herself as Jewish until she realised her Jewish ancestry and naturally became very defensive of her roots. I have always seen her as a lovely natured lady who likes her football and a bit of a laugh.
@@jessyicasonlineservices7923 That's what I thought too, but in the video she says she's always been aware of her Jewish heritage. Her mother's Jewish and makes traditional Ashkenazi food for the family, she calls her maternal grandfather the Yiddish word "Zaide" and while growing up she attended synagogue for Yom Kippur each year.
Yes I'm sure she's perfectly adorable in person, but she's not doing herself or her cause any favours by spouting misguided, contradictory nonsense on Twitter and here on this Channel 4 podcast.
@@jessyicasonlineservices7923 she is a lovely natured person, i think she is just a bit uneducated about the real world and whats really going on.
@@SyeTen Ok if she has always had an affinity with her roots then it is understandable she would want to protect them when she feels they are coming under attack.As long as she is genuinely defending her roots and not trying to overthrow/demonise a political opponent all is well. Politics can be very divisive though and it would be best if all celebs kept their politics to themselves including Gary Lineker.
@@predater5017 Yes maybe she is great with numbers but knows little about topics outside that which can be a mistake especially if you are in the public eye.
Being anti-Israel and anti-semitic isn't the same thing. Only 3 types of people pretend the Israeli government is the same thing as Judaism.
1. People that want to target innocent Jews.
2. People that want to protect the actions of the Israeli government.
3. Ignorant people that attach Jewish identity to a specific nation regardless of the government.
Don't think Rachel Riley is a particularly evil person so I'd say she falls into the third category.
So what shoild be done about Israel? Isn't everyone rubbing along out there???
She says that no-one reads anything, and people don't understand anti-Semitism, and then she accuses Chomsky of being an anti-semite. Has she read Chomsky?
Pretty sure he's a Jew as well isn't he?
Yes? But do you approve of that? I've seen you elsewhere and I like what you say but don't seem like the type lol. @@jameswhiteley6843
@@susanneyuk-pingpong8705 I just found it to be a bizarre comment for her to make.
Are you suggesting Chomsky is not anti-Semitic?
Chomsky isn't antisemitic @@EarlofCrawford
Am I the only one who doesn't have a clue what she's on about?
No you're not,she doesn't either
Oh look its Rachel why can't everyone just agree with me, after all i'm beautiful Riley
BIMBO - I can do the maths she does. She ain't that clever, all you need are a few tricks anyone can learn.
She’s waffling on complete nonsense. Totally lost in a web of lies, contradiction and stupidity.
Not from the tribe of Judea then?
So is no one allowed to talk about the illegal occupation by Israel? Or the treatment of the people of Gaza? People do not understand anti-semitism, she’s right about that, especially when people call Jeremy Corbyn an anti-Semite. More smears.
Noam Chomsky is one of the most important thinkers of our time. She clearly hasn’t read a word he’s written.
How is it an illegal occupation as what state did they occupy it from?
Gaza is self governing and called and practice the murder of Jews "from the river to the sea" and you support that, why would you be that thick?
@@JustinLevene I don't agree with the murder of anyone. The following are territories occupied by Israel: the Syrian Golan Heights, the Egyptian Sinai Peninsula and Egyptian-occupied Gaza Strip and Jordanian-annexed West Bank. The Israelli government illegally settles these areas. It is illegal under international law. Gaza is however essentially an open air prison or ghetto. Perhaps you should check the facts before calling other people thick. I find it deplorable that the Israelli state subjects people to some of the same type of discrimination received by Jewish people and other minorities, including my own community, at the hands of the Nazis.
This view is held by prominent philosopher and Jew, Noam Chomsky. I wish people would stop conflating legitimate criticisms of the Israelli government with anti semitism. Because God help us all if real anti Semites get into power, and people have been crying wolf about the likes of Jeremy Corbyn.
@@JustinLevene why are the jews there in the 1st place?
@@davidphilip7249. Free Palestine from the murders. I don't hate Jewish people but I hate the Zionists who came from the Germany and Poland and others.
Z Salty I don’t care where they came from. I think the Jews and Palestinians and whoever else wants to live in that part of the world (or anywhere for that matter) should be allowed to do so in peace. We really need to get in touch with our empathy as a species. We’re all, at the end of the day, human beings and we only have one planet, let’s stop squabbling over bits of it because made up religions claim it to be theirs. FYI, I deplore every organised religion equally.
Why can't we criticise bad policies like Israel? You thick woman, Corbyn talks policy you talk emotions and feelings
Exactly. She's fallen for the Israel = Jew trick, making criticism of Israel criticism of all Jews and therefore anti-Semitic.
TheMisanthropicHumanist. Corbyn associates will people who wish to murder Jews. He also associated himself with people who wanted (and did) kill British people. He lies about it but when photos show him doing exactly that, he makes excuses. He even claimed that when he “liked” a Facebook image of a mural that could have been taken from the most shocking anti-Jewish cartoons of the Nazi era he said he hadn’t noticed.
The man is a congenital liar.
Even his denial of saying “stupid woman” shows him to be not just a vile lying human being, it also showed him to be a cretinous, deadbeat, moron. He should have explained it was a not sexist comment to make about a woman, but apologise for unparliamentary language. But he lies first and thinks later (but more usually never thinks because he’s not capable of rational thought.)
You CAN criticise their policies. She literally says so around 10:30. However, if your criticism turns into (extreme) hatred for Jews, it's AS.
@@theduck1377 zionism is politics, jewish people are people. its her argument that if your against zionism youre an ani semite is what causes anti semitism in the first place. so can you criticise the politic? this is why what she is saying is so hypocritical
"I don't look like a typical Jew". Did she actually say that???
To be fair, she doesnt
42:57 minutes of Rachel Riley being paradoxical. It's like watching a 12-year-old in debate class argue a side they hastily researched the night before. Go away, sit down, and have a proper think, Rachel. While you're at it, learn how to spell 'Chomsky'.
Spot on, Clare Bee.
Like interviewing an entitled, ignorant brat.
She probably saw the surname and thought he was Russian
Instead of reading so much, just frikking stay in Palestine for a couple of weeks. She will get the best understanding of the situation.
I was in Palestine and the Arabs are the real so called Palestinian oppressors Egypt and Gaza Jordan and a huge amount of Palestine and keeping these Arabs in tents indefinitely I could go on
Have you been? Do you actually know anything about the situation?
There are many people that are deserving of their own land.
What about the holocaust that went on in the Holodomor where millions were killed and the 10 million Germans that died? Why do ONLY Ashkenazi / Khazarian lives matter? ???? There was also an Armenian holocaust and we rarely hear about it. There is a Yemeni holocaust currently in progress and you are not talking about it !!!
Israel has one of the top 4 militarys in the world with nuclear capabilities and the country is prospering with a surplus of money instead of debt like most countries, yet they are aggressively going after "reparations" from whoever they can shakedown.
@@exposebillgates618 Reparations? I agree with a lot of your points for instance the Armenian genocide should get more notice Turkey is one big reason why it's not receiving scrutiny and it's because the west has accepted that turkey is "moderate" and some want turkey in the EU. Look liberals pick and choose who they go after, Israel is probably the second most powerful military force on earth they got that way despite liberals always trying to weaken them. Liberals love a weak Israel way more than a strong one; The people who loves Israel are hyper vigilant because yes they are prospering and powerful for now but if they give into liberals way they want Israel to be then Israel will become another Islamic republic that's not even remotely cool.. The world is richer healthier with Israel in it. Back to turkey for a while turkey looked like they were on their way to becoming a stable democracy however Tayipee Erdegon is making sure the country does not stray to far from theocracy and taking away rights of the press and it's citizens.. BTW the most difficult thing is for Islamic countries to allow their citizens freedom of speech can't talk against government or mohammed.
She was "seeing more and more negative stories on Jews" and found it upsetting. She should try being a Muslim. Noam Chomsky is one of the most considered and rational people on the planet. His criticisms of Zionism (and its conflation with Judaism) alongside the likes of Norman Finkelstein to justify murder and theft are actually worth the time of day.
It takes a courageous, honest and moral person to criticise something which would otherwise favour them. Not a description that fits Rachel Riley.
snshull - The Muslim community bought it on themselves by not controlling their young males from behaving badly in many of these towns and cities as well as schools , colleges and universities.
@@Nuron666 Should one collective or individual be held accountable for the actions of another? We should take responsibility for our own actions. The media and eventually historians tell the story that sells or at least the one that satisfies their agenda. A lie becomes the truth if it is given credibility by perpetual repetition. Especially so in the wildfire on the Internet. We're all publishers now!
@@snshull - we need to take into account historical evidence. If you examine the spread of Islam over the last 1400 years. There are about 50 Muslim majority countries in the world, and every single one of those countries are a product of invasions, colonisation and the eventual eradication of the original culture of the land.
50 years ago in the UK no one complained about Muslims, and the reason was their population was tiny, less than hundred thousand. And there was absolutely no Islamic extremist activities. But today, we have a Muslim population of 4.1 million and rising. By 2050 it is estimated to rise to 14 million. After you have researched Muslim expansion history, If you are a NON Muslim you cannot be so naïve and not worry about your future generations.
@@Nuron666 Wow, you know how to twist the truth, deluded
@@RIZZYEDITS - Can you tell me what I said that are false?
Oh dear. Stick to countdown love.
I'm still not sure exactly what her problem with Corbyn is.
@@stuartcrossland1746 Hmm, I don't think so dude.
I don't fully approve of Corbyn's position on Brexit but I odnt understadn what her problem is either...
@@jameswhiteley6843 Yes I'm sure. Your antisemitic self seems to think otherwise.
Dmitri Karamazov well how can you lie about real people in real positions? Who owns the express? Look at leading editors of leading newspapers. Quite an over-representation for 0.4 of the population don’t you think?
Do you have a few hours for me to list all the issues with commie Corb?
"They say there's strength in numbers, tell that to six million Jews"
A joke from Jimmy Carr, presenter of Rileys show. Selective outrage rules the day. I'm sure she has some mental gymnastics to explain that one away. I'd also like to see her explanation why she claimed she was rarely political but only outs Labour supporters as anti-semites
Some say it was only 2 or 3. Still atrocious I guess.
So it's racist to question Israel's legitimacy and actions, and to suggest that when a people have been kicked out of their recent ancestral homeland, robbed of their livelihood, and had their access to essential supplies cut off, that they have a legitimate grievance? Every peoples in the world should have the right to self-determination and to occupy their homeland, including the Palestinians.
whilst i kind of agree in that the plight of the people of 'Palestine' whould be an issue, why is it that the world's focus is on Israel as being the sole cause of that plight. "Palestine' has previously been occupied bt Egypt , Syria and Jordan, Jordan is entirely constructed out of what use to be Ottoman / Roman Palestine, Hamas are pretty oppressive to their own people, Egypt also has a blockade of Palestine equal to that of Israel and the attitude of all of the Arab neighbours to Palestine is pretty shoddy, so why is it that only Israel gets highlighted?
If you are genuine in your beliefs about all peoples having the right to self determination why do you exclude Jews? Also why do you hide your identity. Palestinians are not "cut off from supplies". Only war making materials and while we are on the subject why don't you pose the same question to the Egyptian authorities who also close the border to Hamas because of their terrorism. Your bias is so obvious.
@@frederiksenable None of the previous colonial powers took the peoples houses, land and livlihoods away. Neither did they ask the native population to swear allegiance to a state that defines itself in racist terms - "Israel defines itself as a Jewish and democratic state" - Wiki
@@howardfuller7071 Hamas only came into existence after Gaza had been turned into a huge internment camp ,in much the same way as Hezbollah was created in response to the repeated invasions of Lebanon by Israel, more specifically the Lebanese War of 82 - only 4 years after the previous invasion, AMAL, an organisation for economic and educational advancement of the disenfranchised Shia of South Lebanon mutated into Hezbollah, with input from the Najaf madrassa in Iraq
frederiksen Those other countries are not backed in the same way by the US and the UK. There’s lots of immoral governments, the reason many in the West focus on Israel is that situation has been created by and is continually backed by the West
She comes across terribly here...dying to be the victim
That line about what a typical Jew looks like was embarrassing
not only embarrassing but antisemitic
@@porkpie2884 not in the context she used it.
8:40 yeah... "dying to be the victim" my foot.
Rachel is a bit thick. Surprising for somebody who can crunch numbers. It gives hope to everybody who has struggled with maths.
She has a Masters in maths from Oxford. Your qualifications are ....?
@@BlackPrimeMinister That explains a lot.
@@garrygelade2404 I have a 2.1 in Philosophy, but did maths/physics/chem at A level. That was a few years ago but I can tell you this, what she does on the TV show is arithmetic - there is no calculus or trig, it is not complex. They should drop in some first order DE/ PDE, that would get the contestants eyes popping if shes as fast with even simple problems - calculus is where real maths start
It's not really surprising, at all.
Think about children who were particularly good at maths, at school - most of them struggled to write an even half decent essay, or story and almost none of them were also good at art, music, or drama.
You'd get the occasional, multi-talented individual - some of whom would apply themselves and some of whom wouldn't.
However, more often than not, it was a case of them being a one, or maybe two (e.g. maths and science), trick pony.
Wooo. Hot potatoe.
Rachel: "And I did another tweet... this is what Jeremy Corbyn is inspiring"
Krishnan: "If you say Jeremy Corbyn inspires antisemitism..."
Rachel: "Um... I didn't say that he inspires antisemitism, I said that what he's saying **mumbles** ... is inspiring"
???
Well, she is definitely a muppet. I find it hard to believe how someone could be so out of touch with ground realities in today's era of information, it has to be self-induced ignorance to not confront how she's ridiculously wrong. This is just her being disingenuous, insincere and overall characterless (on the Israel-Palestine topic at least).
Rachel Riley: My evidence from Corby's Antisemitism all comes from the Daily Mail.
Also Rachel Riley: People should use more critical thinking!
She's such a prat
Out of your depth
She wants to shine a light on anti-Semitism but "I don't want to talk about Israel". Yeah, that'll work.
Both are directly related. Today anti Zionism is a cover for anti-Semitism.
@@synewparadigm Thats as blanket a condemnation, with about as much truth, as that which you claim to despise. It IS possible do dislike what the Israeli govt does but not dislike and instead count as a long term and very good friend my next door neighbour, Dan. You should meet his brother, both were born here in the UK, but Saul joined the IDF. He was well gung ho, but came back pretty much an anti Israeli govt guy, he was mainly concerned about young Israelis being brainwashed. Hes moved to New Zealand now, works on a sheep farm. I dont think his time with the Army turned out as he thought it would
Oh look its Rachel why can't everyone just agree with me, after all i'm beautiful Riley
@Hairy Chinese Kid What evidences? Is it from the Der Strumer?
She may have a 2:1 degree in Maths from Oxford, but she is not coming across as being articulate or particularly intelligent in this interview.
Yep....totally agree
to be fair, she's been doing the same kind of arithmetic on a show for 10 years. that's not really being a "mathematician"
Isn’t she meant to be extremely smart?
She has a Masters in Maths from Oxford, so she is in fact extremely smart. Probably smarter than you I'd wager.
@@garrygelade2404 Smart people generally know when they're out of their depth, when to keep quiet and when to make sure they've done their homework to avoid spouting 40 minutes of contradictory nonsense on a Channel 4 podcast.
She's proof that proficiency in Mathematics is no indication of intelligence
She's okay at math's - better than most (she got a 2:1) but not the best or at the extreme.
@@garrygelade2404 Was her masters also at Oxford? I know her undergraduate degree was where she gained a upper second-class honours (2:1) degree
all Jeremy did was go to a Palestine event Racheal and you called him anti Jew don’t get involved in politics if you claim you know nothing of it Racheal!
Smh. It's a tricky one. So many people cite him as the "terrorist's friend' can it all be smear? Idk
Rachel has been fighting anti-zionism and not antisemitism
I can't imagine why Channel 4 doesn't ask hard questions of one of its most public presenters.
I'm struck by generally inept she seems to be; her grasp on general reasoning is poor. What she *doesn't* understand - complexity, politics -- jumps out at you. Her plea to see Israel shorn of politics is child-like, but not endearing. "I think of myself as a nice person," she says - but others are the best judge of that. Perhaps the number of dislikes tells the story. Will you calculate the percentage of people who think you are awful from the numbers, Rachel?
what are you talking about ?!! absolute rubbish.What is your problem exactly thinking so many dislike her or what the amount of dislikes is suppose to show ? maybe it shows many people are antisemetic,maybe because she is a goodlooking woman who happens to be great at maths...how dare she huh,how dare she speaks out at all on antisemetism as she sees it !! Does not understand the complexities of politics,she is not saying for one moment that Israel is shorn from politics,its you who seem to be holding her to different standards and that is probably more about your antisemetism than anything else
@@upendasana7857 Don't come up in here flexing with your antisemitism bullsh-t on my thread, bro. I can find a better-looking woman on every university campus. A-Level maths does not make her some kind of intellectual powerhouse. Sit tf down.
She sounds utterly clueless and yet at the same time has no problem throwing out false accusations of anti-Semitism. Embarrassing.
And yet most of the comments below confirm her narrative and not yours.
@@Avidcomp If you're gonna accuse virtually anyone who criticises Israel of being an anti-Semite of course you're going to be correct some of the time, it doesn't confirm your narrative you utter div. I could turn around and say anyone who criticises Saudi Arabia is Islamophobic, if it got any attention I'd probably get a tonne of genuinely Islamophobic people responding to me but it still wouldn't make what I said true.
@@GiantSandles If I was going to... but I didn't. Although it's true in certain contexts.
But your post has a narrative of its own doesn't it [rhetorical]. Because you dropped context and formulated your narrative as you wished it to be, rather than a response to what I said and to who I said it about.
In sincere rebuttal would have deconstructed Sir Amic Varze post first and related that back to my response.
So the only conclusion I can reach is that you are not sincere. Your agenda is as plain to see.
@@Avidcomp I pretty obviously meant the general you, I don't know or care about you individually
@@GiantSandlesThen it still doesn't "generally" apply to me, In fact given what I wrote, why even reply to me?
Your out of context post doesn't represent my view.
What is worrying about this interview is that Rachel is a Mathematician who one assumes applies logic to any debate or discussion. However, she seems to have thrown logic and ethics from her arguments over antisemitism. I would suggest to Rachel to read comparative history politics and ethics, before she makes any sweeping statements about Israel and anti-Semitism. I would suggest, she spends time undertaking comparative readings and have an open mind rather than projecting her own world view onto text. What is also more worrying is she is saying anyone who is critical of zionism and Israel is racist or anti-jew. Yet, at the same time she said people should read, but distances herself from Israeli History and Politics, and does not want to get involved in understanding politics. That is like saying if I criticise USA or Iran, then I must hate Americans or Iranians, which is illogical. Zionism is a political theory, not a religious theory. It was established as a political organisation in 1897 under Theodor Herzl, and was later led by Chaim Weizmann. She should also talk to practicing Hasidic Jews from among the diaspora, who believe that until the Messiah Jesus returns they won't recognise the secular state of Israel. She should also read THE ETHNIC CLEANSING OF PALESTINE by ILAN PAPPE This major book by the renowned Israeli historian, unveils the hidden and systematic ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians in 1948, and its relevance to resolving the conflict.
NO that is NOT whwta she said at all,she never said that those who critcise Israel are by default antisemetic,thats what YOU heard because thats whats convenient for you to hear
Because she is good at maths, you think she is an intellectual? she is good at recognizing patterns..
I mean it’s Jews who are afraid to leave their homes and are being attacked. The Nazis argued that their issues with Jews was rational and political because Jews were Bolsheviks and this is just repeating patterns in history developing. If people in democratic countries are afraid to leave their homes looking Jewish because of a political issue in Israel, you’re deluding yourself into thinking that this isn’t developing similarly to the past.
"I'm not political - I just like to spout hard-right political talking points"
It's not "hard right" to speak out against antisemitism, you blinkered ideologue. It's called basic human decency.
Ha haaaa!
I'm not a troll...I just like leaving p*ss taking comments all over the net...
“People don’t understand antisemitism”
Not all Jews are semites and not all semites are Jews
She says she is not a religious or a cultural Jew and she doesn’t look like a typical jew ...
so she has no religion or culture but because her mother is Jewish (by what definition?) she has the right to live in a country in the Mid East that was taken from the people living there ..... how is that not racist
Running her mouth without even having proper knowledge on what she's talking about 🙄
She shouldn't discuss politics, comes across as she doesn't have a clue.
But she keeps - maddeningly - saying she doesn't want to get in the politics. Just thinks people should be free from the threat of being murdered!! should have just left her in the room with some crayons.
On the contrary, she has highlighted a very important contemporary issue, which few are brave enough to talk about. We need more like her who are prepared to speak truth to power.
She is neither speaking the truth, confronting power, or making any particular sense. As much as I hate the phrase, she is merely 'virtue signaling' - seems to be of the mind the Irsaeli/Palestinian situation can be solved without 'getting political', or being 'dragged INTO politics', she's above that seemingly. Bizarre.
Our media is full of people like her.
She doesn't
She's obviously speaking out about this because she feels offended as someone of Jewish heritage. And she has every right to be offended at any antisemitic remarks she sees, and calling-out people making antisemitic remarks...
But that doesn't give her the right to smear Corbyn as an antisemite without solid evidence to back up such an allegation. Just because some Jews "feel" he's antisemitic, that doesn't make him an antisemite. He's never made any antisemitic or insulting remarks about Jews in his life. Being harshly critical of Israel does not make one an antisemite. He's not calling for Jews to be attacked or Israel to be destroyed, but he is rightfully calling-out Israel for the racist apartheid state that it is, just as he did against South Africa in the '80s.
...She should stay in her lane and stick to mathematics, because she's clearly out of her depth when it comes to politics.
'I don't look like a typical Jew'. Hmm, forgive me, but that sounds kind of antisemitic (6:57)
Satire.
you probably don't look like a typical knob head but...????
@@01egna she is very sexy
I gave up watching Channel 4 news a while ago and this ridiculous interview has confirmed to me that was a good decision.
If racism interests her why does not she want to talk about racism against Palestinians? Or Palestinians are not human beings. Why does not channel4 or parliament invite Palestinians , and the fact they have been denied self-determination. This denial has been supported by Britain since the Balfour Declaration in 1917.
I don't think in my life I've ever heard a more hypocritical and misleading conversation like this one..why Channel 4!?!
Then you should get a less insular little life.
Why channel 4? Because they're 100% establishment and pro status quo, and therefore hate Corbyn, who challenges both. Along with the Guardian, they have been at the forefront of supposedly liberal outlets smearing him.
The reason is because you are utterly ignorant
Not everybody likes racism.
Channel 4skin
I honestly don't think Rachel is stupid, I think she's nervous, out of her depth and not very eloquent.
Can you blame her when you know everyone is probably ready to shoot her down both for talking out about antisemetism and then secondly as a woman
Why is she calling anyone who doesn't go along with her, not always but very often misunderstood views, an extremist? I would never call all who don't support me an extremist. She's proven in this very interview she's accepted many dodgy accounts of events and seems to struggle to have a basic understanding of many of the issues she's trying to take the lead on. People are now being proven right to have taken a sceptical view of all she's been saying. If she really is doing all this purely to eradicate antisemitism then she has my support, but I suggest she stops tweeting for a while while she really gets to grips with what she's trying to talk about. She needs to thoroughly check from whom and where she's getting her facts, because at the moment it seems to me she's been stirred up by daily mail type story's and led astray by some questionable people online. She conflates issues and as we've seem lately, if she doesn't get support she labels more and more people as antisemitic. She says she's not political but I find that hard to believe when she's souly focused on Labour and no one else....What's her end game? Why mention Corbyn so much when, as Kristian says, he stands with undesirable people as an attempt to gain peace and move forward. This is not some quick cover story, it's been documented his whole life. Why no uproar with May meeting, shaking hands and doing weapons deals with Saudi Arabia's leader whose 100% linked to dismembering of people, torture and using our own weapons to kill civilians. She's jumped in at the deep end attempting to lecture people without spending the years becoming more savvy. It'd be OK if this was just a case of her embarrassing herself but unfortunately it's got far more serious now as she's used her celebrity to smear and tarnish great people. Far from helping the issue I fear she's in real danger of doing damage to the cause.
Classic example of being over opinionated and under-informed. Happy to smear others with the term anti-semitism and give blanket support to the Apartheid state of Israel. You do the math on that
Compared to the states around it? Gimme a break
Mindful Drone I will “break” it to you: “compared” to Apartheid South Africa.. Israel sure fits the description. ✌🏽
MATHS!!!!!!
I've noticed Alot of people in the comments are saying they have no idea what she's talking about and her point is all over the place. And fair enough it is all over the place in some areas of the video but FYI if you were not used too having a debate like conversation in front of potentially millions of people you would be a nervous and all over the place aswell especially if you have so much to say.
I agree with Rachel Riley though, Corbyn likes Islam and islamic people hate Jews so put 2 and 2 together
I don't see how posting things on twitter and engaging with twitter trolls is "combating antisemitism". People of all religions and non-religious people will always face some amount of hate/abuse in real life or online, something like this can never be stopped because for every good and fair person there will always be an asshole, it is just the way the human race is.
Hilariously out of her depth here.
"I've had to learn so much"...really!?
If she was interested in antisemitism in all parties and rampant Islamophobia in the Conservative party there would be some reason to take her comments seriously . The Tories said that Boris has been 'respectful' when he likened Muslim women who wear the hijab to 'bank robbers' . The Tories have not adopted the IHRA definition of antisemitism. Rachel strangely seems focused only on one form of prejudice in one party
She doesn’t have to talk about every problem in order for her points to be valid. She can take a stand on a specific issue and talk about that.
And I agree about the Tories, but the argument that ‘the Tories are racist as well’ is about the weakest and most disheartening defence of Labour I’ve heard.
We all know that Tories are racist. Its practically their brand. When the labour party do it its more of a let-down
What-about-ery
Or they are scared of leader that lays flowers at the graves of terrorists who have killed innocent people, praises anti-Semitic murals, holds events equating Israel with the Nazis on Holocaust Memorial Day, just might not be the best fit to run the country
She might win the respect of people like you if she also criticised the Tories, but I doubt she cares seeing as your someone who’s happy to turn a blind eye to racism when Corbyn does it. She is entitled to talk about a single problem without having the list the ills of the world to justify her giving an opinion.
There is no Islamophobia in the Tory party. In fact Islamophobia is a made up word to stop reporting about Islamic terrorism and the abuse of young white girls by Pakistani grooming gangs.
If this was an example of "Ways to change the world" I've never seen such an #EPICFAIL
Rachel has done a dreadful thing. She has questioned the divinity of Saint Corbyn. She has uncovered the rotting maggot-infested slime underneath his kindly wise bearded face. The Corbynistas are clutching their pearls and have lost control of their bowels.
She keeps saying she's not political, but doesn't seem to realise that she is making political tweets. How can she separate Israel from the Palestine issue? How can she say Corbyn propogates racism, without this involving herself in politics? She is inconsistent, and if she is as intelligent as she seems to be in other areas, this must be dis-ingenuity.
The interview is a total disaster
It is for the regressive left, certainly. They are being exposed for the bigotry in their hearts.
@@garrygelade2404 God you're dim
@@garrygelade2404 As are you for claiming Islamaphobia doesn't exist in another comment. Or are you possessing the 'right kind' of racism?
Where is Jon Snow?
Back then she said she wanted peace. Look at her today, she loves to insight hatred
My 1st question is, WHY?
The 2nd is, why is channel 4 doing 'podcasts'? Your supposed to do news.
The 3rd is, why is someone who can't do proper research on Noam Chomsky criticising someone on Twitter not doing the basic research of clicking a link in a tweet?
The 4th is, she can say 'I don't look like typical Jew' when that is called out as 'antisemitism' if a none jew said it?
The 5th is, If it's 'antisemitic' to believe Jews should be removed from Isreal. What do you call when the people living there were removed forcibly and their land taken from them???
'I'm not really interested in discussing the details of the formation of Isreal or the politics of the Isreali government, but it's BLATANTLY ANTISEMITIC'.
These are the simplistic, unresearched views of someone who's cultural bias CLEARLY clouds their views.
Jews are victims.
They needed a homeland.
Case closed.
The comments here absolutely confirm what Rachel Riley is saying. You people should be ashamed of yourselves.
She's whining about Corbyn "sharing a platform" with racists but she was happy to go on Top Gear lol
Are you saying sharing a platform with Jeremy Clarkson, a guy who's made some offensive jokes on the telly, is equivalent to sharing a platform with Raed Salah and Hamas - a guy who spread the blood libel and a terrorist organisation that wants to destroy Israel and drive all the Jews into the sea?
Wow I thought Rachael Riley was intelligent... 🤔
Does she even do the maths? That's the question. Ear piece?
@@ps5stuffguy She has a Masters in Maths from Oxford, so yes she does the maths. Next question imbecile.
@@garrygelade2404 Why does she sound so silly then? It's strange
@@garrygelade2404 Rachel said She does not look like a jew. Wtf
@@garrygelade2404 LOL
what is always faded out in this "discourse", is what jews think and say about other jews. what the tommy-lapid-israelis think and say about the eli-yishai-israelis (and vice versa) would cause a heart attack for ppl like rachel riley, if she wouldn't close the eyes to reality and use the "antisemitism" accusation in order to defame criticism of israel
Go spend a day in Gaza Racheal
Don't say that.. she might get bombed!
This is your first ways to change the world of the year and you bring on Rachel Riley? She pales in comparison to the other great guests you have brought on, and there are a lot more people you could have brought to talk about how to tackle antisemitism. She is great at maths, but her interview/communicational skills seem to be lacking (epsecially when talking about politics).
Also, I've seen her comments on Twitter and they are very dissapointing - and makes me wonder, if she were male, would this interview been conducted? I hope she does inspire women to get into STEM - but, once again, there are probably better role models for young women than her.
So, will STEM create lots little Rachels, who can count but cant actually think very well? Not sure thats such a good idea really.....
@@Cheeseatingjunglista Haha, let's hope not. I'm sure the women she inspires to get into STEM will be nothing like her - in terms of not "thinking very well". Being on TV and having a lot of yes men around her doesn't seem to have helped her much.
When Suzi Dent teaches you a new word, this is what happens!
Seems like she's trying to resolve her Twitter faux pas by getting into geopolitical minefield without fully read up on history and current affairs.
Watching Channel 4 facilitate her spiral into a mess of pure unfettered idiocy is hilarious
I suspect she knows a lot more history and current affairs than you do mate.
@@msepryor She has proven she is clueless, a hypocrite, has posted far right antisemitic smears against Chomsky, has fallen foul of the IHRA herself but yeah she is so intelligent, she is just rich and famous and good at maths, that's it. She has as much credibility on these issues as a goldfish
@@msepryor Did you even watch the video?
nothing wrong with her history or current affairs. yours, on the other hand....
It’s hard to discuss this topic as invariably one is attacked for taking a particular stance, and not the other. I simply want peace. Mankind has to learn that violence is not the answer amongst rational beings. Too much blood has been spilt. Enough. Let us - together - move forward as one. We have other things we should be working on together- global warming needs to be tackled, together.
#BDS
The comments here are exactly what she is talking about, even if she may have got a few facts muddled.
What comments? Rachel admitted in this interview she knows nothing about Israel politics lol. Majority of people are asking normal questions in the comments or pointing stuff out.
No one is insulting her, no one is insulting her religion, I think the general tenor is one of disappointment that is just so wooly and incoherent
Rachel is obviously is fab with numbers, but clearly doesn't understand the meaning of Words, particularly ''Paradoxical'.
Arrgghh she genuinely doesn't have a clue what she is talking about ffs, it's so infuriating
Well that was a disaster.
Some important points in relation to all of this drama:
- I think she is overstating the issue and I have absolutely no clue where she got the Chomsky anti-semitism bit from.
- The way she decided to express these concerns was disgraceful. Saying Corbyn is inspiring anti-semitism is actually absurd.
- The people that desperately want to out her as a "Blairite shill" or something along those lines are first of all generally massively reaching to try and find that conclusion.
- All of this clearly isn't some sort of attempt to divert from Israel, an idea which really is anti-semitic in of itself and Rachel hasn't show any evidence of having a big interest in, besides basic amounts of Zionism.
- All in all, does Labour have some form of an issue with anti-semitism? Yeah, but is largely overstated by those who are exposing it.
Here's the thing. I don't doubt Rachel Riley's education, but her choice of job for the past 10 years has been to be a gameshow host/assistant with math skills. She has also clearly been, at least in part, selected for that job because she's beautiful.
On the other hand, from her own testimony she appears to be a professional activist for girls in math, women, equality and now she has connected with her inner jew and combats anti-semitism.
All of this is great but it has nothing to do with being a mathematician and nor is it in any way a standard path for a mathematician. And yet THAT is what she presents herself as. I find that to be extremely deceptive. She is not representative in any way of mathematicians and in fact quite critical of the very notion. On the other hand she has a job that has little to do with being a mathematician (and in fact that side of her is overqualified for the mathematics on the show). Given that, how is she a good role model for girls aspiring to study mathematics? What is she going to tell them, "study hard, reject jobs related to your field of study and rely on your looks to become famous"? "Study maths to become a professional victim and serve as twitter activist for all the right causes"?
It honestly bothers me no end that someone with the trajectory of Rachel Riley is shown as a poster girl for women in science when she has essentially rejected that side of her through her own choices and when I know for a fact that more gifted young men who ONLY care about mathematics are set aside at a lot of schools just so there can be "more women in maths". Well isn't that great, funny how things turn out. You give them unfair advantages in school to the detriment of more deserving boys and the result is that they STILL base their career decisions on their looks when they can. THAT is what people should learn from the example of Rachel Riley.
She does NOT do any maths on that show,she does Arithmetic, nice and simple. An GCSE level of education is sufficient to cover the needs of her job
@@Cheeseatingjunglista I know, I was trying to be charitable. I think when she said she particularly likes "the maths on the show" my eyes rolled to the back of my head and back.
It's quite hard to take her seriously despite her Oxford education because of the choices she made and things she says.
Deep
Chomsky debate would border on cruelty. Channel 4 should arrange a tv meeting between her, Regev and someone like Finkelstein.
Finkelstein would be fun.
A Finkelstein debate would be as equally cruel as Chomsky tbh
@@PristianoPenaldoSUIIII I had a look at what he's up to last night. Note he hasn't mellowed. His new stipulation that he no longer accepts the intellectual validity of the terms "discourse" and "narrative" made me chuckle.
@@lubo25 Ha! I'm curious to see that. Got a link?
She has debated with George Galloway on twitter. I believe that her entire argument consisted of "F*ck off". Charm, good looks and political intelligence. Rachel Riley could aspire to these things too.
Her opinions are abhorrent. Trying to defend the indefensible oppression of Palestine whilst still taking the moral high ground. People who condemn Israel's monstrosities are not anti-semitic, they just have the most basic comprehension of right and wrong.
They say that some people remain quite and are considered to be stupid..... but surely that’s got to be better than opening your mouth and confirming those suspicions
I think the Jews that were murdered throughout history in particular by the nazis, deserve their justice. And now I also believe that the Palestinians deserve their justice too. The perpetrators in these events were nazis in the first case and Israelis in the second. So how can it be wrong to be against both parties doing bad, murderous things.
Blue Star so the brown eyed dark hair coloured guy that believed the ones with blonde hair and blue eyes were a superior race linked up with an Arab guy to kill Jews in Europe, even though there were Jews throughout Arab lands. The Zionist theories are becoming extremely far fetched
Let's unpack her 'anti-zionism' remark, saying that zionism means 'Jews should have the right to self-determination in their own country'. The problem is where do you put that country? If you put it where the current state of Israel is, you have a problem, because in 1947 there's an arab majority living there, and in 1900, during Zionism's early days, the majority was around 10:1. In order to have a democratic country in which the Jewish people have self-determination, Jewish people must be the majority, and in order to maintain a Jewish majority you have to drive out most of the arabs. So Zionism in the abstract is one thing, but zionism as it actually exists is racist.
You will note that there is no question about whether there should be a Palestinian state (answer would be don't know/that might be dangerous) which is, as always, the entire and absolute crux of the matter. Anything that involves zionists that isn't asking why they are so vehemently opposed to the Palestinian state is a waste of everyones time. The chances of a peace deal being struck are zero because politicians in key nations who are knowledgeable enough to come up with a valid (by that I mean hard for Israel to turn down) solution are torn to shreds and labeled as terrorist sympathizers.
Israel's hope for a peaceful outcome went by the wayside around a decade ago, these days it teeters on the brink of dictatorship. Netanyahu is hopelessly corrupt and now Prime Minister, Head of Defence, Health, Security and whole range of other positions. Unless everyone important is wrong it heads for the typical death spiral of every other fledgling ethnostate thats been founded since the nation-state era of the early 19th century. The IDF don't have the viciousness to expel the Palestinians and the Palestinians will never give up on the land thus a Soweto or Belfast style outcome is unavoidable. Partition walls may block it for a time but they do not stop love & unity, as you will know.
Don't want to leave you feeling down so here is a tidbit I picked up this evening while looking at related issues. The veteran anti-zionist Norm Finkelstein is still going strong at 65 and now, in a fashion that can only be described as genuinely maverick, stipulates before any tv, radio or verbal debate that he no longer accepts the intellectual validity of the words "narrative" and "discourse".
@@lubo25 Sadly all true, when Rabin was shot but the Ultra Zionist Yigal Amir,the last man with the guts to take on the militarists was gone. The militarisation of the state is so profound that it now seems prepared for a state of unending conflict. There is no longer any voice, other than the utterly marginalised, and thus ineffectual. This constant combat cannot be anything other than an existential danger to Israel. I fervently hope some sense will one day prevail
"As a Jew I'm offended that Israel is described as a racist state but at the same time I don't want to be dragged into discussing the topic" . That problems with that statement is easy to see.
Just stick to the numbers lady. Your right wing smearing is only making you look like a fool. #getthetoriesout
It isn't smearing if it's true. And there is no doubt about it. Just look at some of the comments here. Shame on you Corbyn, and Chakrabarti.
Garry Gelade majority of comments are supporting Corbyn. The smear machine is in full swing because the right are shitting themselves.
@@garrygelade2404 Oh Dear, this is on eternal loop eh? Knew about your Cobyn phobia, when did you start dissing Sami? Or is simply part of your Tory Teething Troubles cult, intro to Big Boys Dinners module you get to go round to Boris,( hes got the chops in dining Tory mode) wear giant nappies and pretend you just getting teeth, Reece-Mogg can lend you his nanny for the day and she'll shovel liquidized food mush down you necks while you shout abuse at pictures of poor people. Good training, get the body into the same age range as the mental capacity you operate at, shriek at the pics, for a few hours, till the main death threat rant at shop dummy with Corbyn face mask stuck on. Well the trainings got your skills and stamina up, your insult two in the same post, that's Multitasking, your nearly at a Womans level, well done
She's not Jewish. She married a Jewish man and then divorced him. This is nonsense. Different cultures are always going to have somebody against them. Stop moaning about the past and get on with life. The Irish had it terrible in England for donkeys years and were slaves too going back many generations. They never complain. Because they are hardy and look forward. You can tell she cant take any hardship. Not a morning person so decided against a job in the city. Grow a set, some people have no choice but to commute. She is just trying to gain publicity by having a go at Corbyn who is useless anyway and nobody listens to him. They shouldn't listen to Riley either. You put two racist and insular countries next to each other you will have ructions.
I think she is simply ignorant about how Israel was created, and that it was a state literally created on another people's land. She expressed her disbelief with the statement "israel is a racist endeavour". But if a state is created on another for one ethnic group, i.e. Jews, at the expense of another ethnic group indigenous to that land, then it is understandable how people may see that as racist, especially when many Jews believe that it is their land because god promised it to them as Jews. She simply buys the line that Israel is some beautiful safe haven for the Jews escaping persecution, and it was for many, but that is absolutely not the whole picture. She seems ignorant and is biting off more than she can chew.
I used to build mathematical models for all the major UK outsourcers including Crapita and I used to see things like that. I am no longer a market fundamentalist / enterprise efficiency cultist , thank god. #JC4PM2019
"I don't look like a typical Jew", conflating Jewish people with Israel and criticising those she calls anti-semitic for not doing their research, yet does no research herself into those she calls A/S like Chomsky. I'm sorry Rachel, that's not Numberwang. Oh sorry, wrong numbers quiz I guess.
It's true she isn't an expert and I agree, at times it is painful listening to her. However . . .
Sorry - but you don't know anything about Chomsky:
“He begins as a preacher to the world and ends as an intellectual crook.”
- Arthur Schlesinger
(Commentary, December 1969)
“Noam Chomsky skittles and skithers all over the political landscape to distract the
reader’s attention from the plain truth.”
- Sidney Hook
(The Humanist, March-April 1971)
“In his ideological fanaticism he constantly shifts his arguments and bends references,
quotations and facts, while declaring his ‘commitment to find the truth.’”
- Leopold Labedz
(Encounter, July 1980)
“Even on the rare occasions when Mr. Chomsky is dealing with facts and not with
fantasies, he exaggerates by a factor of, plus or minus, four or five.”
- Walter Laqueur
(The New Republic, March 24, 1982)
“After many years, I came to the conclusion that everything he says is false. He will
lie just for the fun of it. Every one of his arguments was tinged and coded with
falseness and pretense. It was like playing chess with extra pieces. It was all fake.”
- Paul Postal
(The New Yorker, March 31, 2003)
www.paulbogdanor.com/200chomskylies.pdf
www.paulbogdanor.com/chomskyhoax.html
@@RMSAnalyst I don't see how you're 'teaching' me about Chomsky by quoting various negative opinions. I'm aware that not everyone respects him, but you know we can all have different opinions - it doesn't make one correct over another. The crux of Riley's faux pas re Chomsky is she refuses to do any of the research she claims that Antisemites and her critics do not do. She points towards Faurisson as 'proof' that Chomsky is A/S yet doesn't look into the details beyond it.
Engaging in debate with those of a different or even opposite point of view doesn't mean you agree with them. Apparently, that's not always apparent.
Rachel...you owe it to yourself to visit Israel properly...and become more knowledgeable.
4:25 I was offended not because I know anything about the politics, history, human rights abuses etc but that it didn't match my idea of what Israel is &/or was designed for. Welcome to indoctrination & cognitive dissonance.
Listen to Christopher Bollyn.
the fact jews suffered the holocaust does not mean the creation of israel is a justifiable solution at the palestinians expense. Her opinions are too bookread rather than actual situation. disregard post 1967 lol.
Rachel Riley, Brian Cox, JK Rowling cut from same cloth poor sods, otherwise smart people out of they're depth they do meaning to stick to your day job!
She's clearly not that smart though is she? Got a 2:1 in maths, hardly to be mentioned in the same breath as Cox.
@@jackjude So what degree has JK Rowling got? You don't need a degree to be smart or successful. Good for Rachel. Go girl!
I did mention Rowling? Her books about wizards and trolls display a better understanding of the world than the mess above though.
I'd be happy to see Rowling give up the day job too to be honest. Interminable person
Do you even have a day job?
Hi Rachel, can u discuss the current situation with other people of other faiths/religions being targeted like this.
why should she ?!!!
Shes winging it
“It’s difficult because at this time Israel does exist” 😵💫 interesting choice of words considering Palestinian people existed & were settled in Palestine at the birth of Zionism.
I'm not really convinced that anyone bothered to listen to anything she had to say. Seems more like people arrived at the video minds made up about what they assumed her opinions were and then just listened out for the right buzz words to confirm that opinion. Seems like she had some reasonable points and I'm sure there is plenty to have reasonable disagreements with her on but no one is really interested in that. They just want her to be right or wrong and if she's wrong she's really stupid and doesn't know anything and if she's right then everyone else is a bigot.
What exactly does a 'typical jew' look like
knife crime in uk is more important than Rachel Riley views on Judaism
Indeed. As is homelessness, children in poverty etc etc. We're being blindsides by issues that don't really exist
Shame on you Krishnan for letting her go on and on unchallenged speaking rubbish.
She's awesome. It's so nice to she how she's not used to speak about these "serious" thing. Maybe she's not the most knowledgeable person on the subject, maybe she's not the most articulate orator, but she is a great voice for many ordinary Jews who suddenly discover antisemitism is very much alive and kicking in today's western world.
I feel for Christian here, as you can see how uncomfortable he was listening to the uninformed views. I like Rachel or, I thought I liked Rachel, but now I am not sure if she is just being used as a tool, or is being reactionary on a limited amount of information. Rachel reminds me of the religious right who loves the state of Israel, but are clearly anti-Semitic. I don't think she knows that she is giving them more power. A proven intellectual powerhouse in her field, but this is clearly not her field
Rachel Riley is a courageous and compassionate woman. Most celebrities are posturing, empty, virtue signallers. Rachel on the other hand has the courage of her convictions, and prepared to call out racism and bigotry when she sees it. I love it how much she has upset the left by exposing the victriolic hatred lying under their mask of fake compassion.
Keep going Rachel, you've got the bastards on the run. I hope some other celebrities will follow the path you have pioneered.
"mask of fake compassion"
"plight of the Palestinians.... my heart bleeds"
Try not to out yourself so easily. It's kind of embarrassing.
Good to look at but her philosophy is hardly up there with Peter Ustinov.
Some of these comments towards her are seeming to be evidence not only of some latent anti semitism but also plenty of misogyny.
"Don't look Jewish" ?
Just why was she on other than to slag Corbyn ? Shes a game show host ffs
The establishment of Israel was not supported by the British. The British abstained from the vote at the United Nations.
She is all over the place, saying one minute Jews have a special connection to Israel and the next that is is an antisemitic trope to associate Jews, in any way with the actions of Israel.. Using antisemitic slurs herself, haha.