I'll Never Sing without THIS PEDAL! (Final Thoughts on BOSS VE-500)
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Loved the singing and playing! (Goosebumps)
Very useful and interesting. Thanks for posting it. I'm thinking of buying one of these devices and this has helped me to decide.
you have a nice voice, and the BOSS VE-500 really makes you shine.
Awesome! I'm getting one! Thank you!
That was great thanks. I'm about to purchase one of these.
You have an excellent voice and great demo on the Boss.....❤
Excellent mate! Just what I was looking for. Give thanks for the great guidance.
Very Nicely Done ❤
Great demo on that-- nice pipes brother
Good day, great job enjoyed your video very much! Enjoyed the input on this pedal!
Cheers
Thanks for this, really useful… I’m looking at this quite seriously to liven up live performances
I just bought this.. I hope I can work through all the cool settings. Thanks for the amazing video and commentary 😊
this video is disinformation , if you are a singer and an artist you know how to sing wothout and then you have the control over the tool otherwise no man you are giving the wrong info about it
Nice man thank you I subbed!
Great video! Thanks
Great video. Thank you
Excellent video. Very useful demonstration ❤
this video is disinformation , if you are a singer and an artist you know how to sing wothout and then you have the control over the tool otherwise no man you are giving the wrong info about it
Liked and subscribed. Thank you for the education and goodies . I’m going to help my daughter with a home studio. I’m going to share this with her. ❤
So happy to hear ❤️
Just purchased one of these and really looking forward to trying it. Thanks for the video! Just subscribed 👍
Thanks and enjoy your stay 😊
well that video did it. Im purchasing this right now!
Jared, Greetings from San Diego. Thank you so much for this in-depth dive into specific elements of the VE 500. I have been gigging with mine at least once a week for approximately two years and have yet to squeeze all the magic out of it as you obviously have. Your incredibly powerful voice lends quite well to the tutorial and future inspiration. All the best to you. Subscribed.
Thank you 😁
this video is disinformation , if you are a singer and an artist you know how to sing wothout and then you have the control over the tool otherwise no man you are giving the wrong info about it
Same gary ❤
Wooow Finally boss up their on vocals fx. Great demo.
Many thanks really helped me
Omg that is SO HELPFUL!!! Thank you so so much!!!
Thanks for this
That was great 👍🏽
I really liked your review, you are a very talented man with a great sense of humor and voice ;)
thank you! :)
great to see the pedal too, so you use an extra pedal and use that VE500 with hands, available higher! Was also nice to learn that tunerpedal trick!
Holy crap you have a a great voice! Wow.
Because of your video I now want a ve 500 ! You make this pedal sound amazing and I like that! Thanks for your video sir
this video is disinformation , if you are a singer and an artist you know how to sing wothout and then you have the control over the tool otherwise no man you are giving the wrong info about it
Disinformation? No quite the opposite. I like how the guy presented it. Really don't give 2 shits about your opinion but thanks anyway
Good demo.
Thanks for your honest and real walkthrough!! Do you still use this pedal?
Stellar content. Speaking truths here.
Thank you Jared this is so very helpful. i just have purchased my BOSS VE-500, as i have been looking for perfect pedal that will give me harmony, reverb, delay, echo, chorus, i have been singing lives and recording with my Boss VE-20 Vocal Effects Processor, for some years now, and I only used the one setting Cathedral and used another looper. I am no sound engineer so i really appreciate the help here.
Awesome pedal, anything to help a person who cant sing is a good product and looks like a blast!! I mean even the pros are usuing them nowadays and they can actually sing professionally.. 💯👍🏼
Literally just got mine in the mail! Can't wait to dig through it and start using it. Just watching a few videos on it, because I'm too lazy to read the manual 😂 (Also got the BOSS VE-8 Acoustic Singer yesterday at Guitar Center)
How do the ve8 and this one compare? Do you use both at the same time? If so, why
Good one❤
most excellent and informative
Glad it was helpful!
I'm not a lead vocalist. I only do backup vocals. This tool looks promising. I need to understand more about switching scenes for each song in a setlist not only for harmonized patches during certain segments of a live performance but one song has a heavy flange section on the very end of the song. Thank you Jared. I hope you can help demonstrate how to accomplish my needs with this tool.
"Keep Doing That Voodoo That You Do!"
Tack!
You have been extremely helpful. Thank you for your guidance and patches!
I'm so glad!
Can you get these patches?
this video is disinformation , if you are a singer and an artist you know how to sing wothout and then you have the control over the tool otherwise no man you are giving the wrong info about it
Jared, Nice run-through with your VE-500. I just got one myself. looking for the VE-500 exports you did on the video.
Pop me a mail. 👌👌
I'll send those and my latest
i'm always looking for people who get the most out of it because it makes my head spin.
Jared, thanks for the video. Super helpful. Curious if you have tried the Boss VE-22? I'm trying to figure out the difference between these two and seems no one has done a comparison.
Is it waterproof ? I like to sing in the shower.
Can drown out anytime
The 9v cable is short, so best to take an extension cable in there with you.
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Great way to meet Jesus 😂
thanks for the video! sounds dope... getting this pedal: how are you routing your guitar to be able to mute guitar with a tuner pedal, while it still activates the vocoder? thank you!
Hey thanks for the great vid, does this pedal have the doubler effect?
Vocal effects with so many processors out there to choose from and its litterally hair pulling trying to decide which one to buy,
I perform a one man show and I really do not have time to be pushing and fiddling with buttons and settings on stage
right now after watching your video here I am even more confused, I love the way you explained this boss ve-500
and in fairness the effects sound excellent, I will be looking more into this pedal for sure before making that final decision
right now i have just purchased the Lexicon rack unit MPX 500 , used it one night in a sound check and just reverted back to the onboard mixer internal effects , not the best but works , i like my reverb and little delay on my vocals and just want something i can quickly change live on stage if i need to , I do not need to colour my vocals at all with pitch or the cheating auto tune , dont even ask me to sing with auto tune
but before i seen your video , I was checking out the voice live play and the TC electronics mic mechanic 2 ,
I have seen a guy while I was on holidays in Gran Canaria using the tc voice play on stage and honestly it was a laugh , completely over used and it actually ruined this guy although he thought it was amazing , even thinking back I laugh , so bringing me back to your
boss pedal here , I think it may be what i am looking for , what is your opinion , I do not want to sound like any artist just be myself, good simple vocal effects reverb / delay and a little harmony now and then ,all at the press of a foot switch, how easy is the boss ve 500 to set up from the get go and do it actually save your setting , I will have to go over your video again here in case I missed out on something
Ah. Remember those days when a singer could just plug a mic in .... and like ....... be good! LOL.
Great videos, You have a nice voice. I appreciate the help and tips.I'm hoping I can learn to sing close enough to the correct pitch to isevthe VE 500. I am more of a guitarist so any singing tips and using them as to the best way to get my voice on pitch
Really cool video thanks man! I just bought one of these but can’t find the patch you used called “stadium” did you download this from somewhere? If so where? Thank you!!!
Okay man, This is a good instruction. Can you explain more for that little bit of pitch correction and to keep it clean ? Nice very nice! Your guitar sound nice dude you play very nice!!! i wantt to make a pop song with you xD :P
Your voice is reminiscent of the 77s, nice!
This is amazing! & you’re so talented ! What song are you singing? And would you mind sending us the chord progression you’re playing?
I usually just make it up on the spot for demos 😁
Is your guitar getting effected by this? I'd to see a demo on how you’ve tweaked angmd set this. Sounds lush
How can I eliminate that double signal that sounds with the Pitch Correction effect? It happens with any mode activated within the effect and I don't know what to do anymore. I'm desperate, I need to sound only the signal with the effect applied, without the dry signal added in the background... Help, please!
Question. Does the VE 500 also process the sound of the guitar along with the vocal effects and harmonies? This is an annoying nightmare with other vocal processors that use the guitar to track the key for the vocals, especially with acoustic guitar that sounds wonky when vocal harmonies or processing is on.
Boss VE 500 sounds Pretty Good!
But is perfect for me if there have looper for guitar..
I already have Boss Ve-8..
I'm planning to Upgrade.. hope Boss campany More Upragde for guitar looper Guitar effect combination with Harmonizer..
I like how this sounds. I'm searching for the perfect pedal that will give me harmony, reverb, delay, echo, chorus and pitch correction.
this video is disinformation , if you are a singer and an artist you know how to sing wothout and then you have the control over the tool otherwise no man you are giving the wrong info about it
Would I be able to send midi commands to change presets and set the vocal to dry when I’m talking in between songs? I’m using Stage Traxx 3 which allows me to send midi commands.
Is your guitar connected to the ve500 or an external multi effect? Thanks
Fantastic job with these videos! Curious where in the pedal chain you connect guitar? Is it from guitar to VE-500, then out to tuner, then the rest of your board?
I send a dry guitar out my sy-1000 sub out to the input of the ve.
Great vid, thanks! Do you notice a cut in the volume /signal when engaged? This is a problem I've run into with similar effects.
Nothing u can balance out. I love this pedal and am missing it on your over seas at the moment. Definatly bringing it in my bag when I go back home
Great video Jared. You're my guru on all things VE-500. I'm setting up a pedal board at the moment including my VE-500. Do you see any advantages (or disadvantages) to feeding the VE-500 from my guitar compressor rather than the raw pick-up signal? I wondered if it would help when using the Vocoder settings.
Vocoder might be louder. I noticed when I increased my guitar level so did my harmonies and vocoder 👍
@@JaredGunstonTV Thanks for the reply. I wondered if there may be a more even balance across all of the notes in the chord as there would be from the guitar and whether this may improve the sound of the vocoder. Andy
Obrigado!
Is there a way to mute the lead vocal letting the harmonies through only?
Hey there - nice video. I just bought one not long ago, and I'm having a really had time not getting feedback using the distortion effect. Of course everything sounds great through headphones, but during rehearsal in a live setting, the distortion effect (which is why I bought it - we have a few songs that this vocal effect is imperative), it will feedback as soon as I select this patch. I've turned noise reduction all the way to 100 (this is sort of like a gate? The naming on some of these settings are really weird). Any tips on this? Thanks so much!
You checked your gain isn't pushing too hard? I'd also try a patch without distortion and let your mic feed and use the notch filter to kill the feed on your mic see if that helps. Lastly, reduce gain on the distortion. I use the telephone type sound which is pretty close to distortion without any issues my side.
Good advice, I found the same w the ve-8
Radio is my distortion sound.
The actual distortion is practically unusable due to feedback. 👍
Nice work! Curious if you've had the TC Helicon products to compare to? I"m a Play Acoustic owner and not happy about the lack of controls. It also seems to add a touch of latency which might just be part of the game with these pedals?
mmm latency on the Boss? No... you may be noticing my video being slightly out of sync which is a contant issue i'm fighting with. But as for Helicon, i've known guys who sold theirs to go smaller. The VE-500 is a great vocal unit and I still use mine today, as a preamp and fx unit its built like a tank and sounds great. I haven't had the chance to compare though. I think Helicon has a great rep in the market though.
@@JaredGunstonTV appreciate that feedback! Keep up the good work out there. I’m going to pull the trigger on this one.
Super informative video! One question about the noise gate function: Did you ever check if your guitar signal coming through the monitors is forcing it to open?
Thanks. I think it will always nudge open slightly cause I have had the odd gig when a certain track will open up and feed, mainly in the lower frequencies but then the notch sorts that for me, just have to scan through a few notch frequencies till it's gone
@@JaredGunstonTV Ahh, I see ... Thanks :-)!
@@allatsea2746 recently i downloaded a frequency app for my phone which told me which NOTE was being detected. Helps match up to notch NOTE.
Wow, this is a fantastic demo of an excellent pedal (I love Boss, and I've got the RV-500, MD-500 and DD-200 on my pedalboard) but I've been using the TC Helicon Play Live Acoustic for Harmony and other voice adjustments ... anyone have an opinion on how the TC Helicon compares with the VE-500? I assume the Boss will be better, but it's obviously a more expensive pedal.
Thank you Jared
Sounds like a killer board man 🔥🔥 each to their own has always been my opinion, I personally enjoy the menu diving and set it once and you're sorted type of vibe. But other maybe prefer something else. Good luck man 🤟
Hi Jared, great video! Hey, do you know if it's possible to set up a patch where the harmony function could be toggled not only on/off, but switched between one harmony voice or two harmony voices? Like whether an external switch could be used to select between a one voice or two voice? So that within the same pre set patch, a performer could have control of harmony on / off with one switch, and the number of voices by assigning an external switch to control that functionality?
check out the ASSIGN matrix, should be doable if setup correctly, one button could just set the volume of harmony 2 to "0" or "100", if you get my drift?
@@JaredGunstonTV yea that sounds like the perfect solution! Love it! Thanks.
can you also use a keyboard with it apart from guitar and vocals ?
What’s this like with a full band?
I have the tc harmony gxt & with a band behind me it picks everything else up and gets glitchy…
does the harmony pitching recognize changes in key?
Thanks for such a concise introduction to this pedal. I have been considering the Zoom V6 and the TC Helicon Play Live, but I think the Boss may well be, um, the Boss! The only thing that worries me is how it performs as a standalone for a singer without an instrument, such as a guitar plugged into it. Can you advise?
it's pretty funny that you're using the same syllables I use when I'm messing around. But what is this stadium thing youre talking about? i havent seen it. I use this pedal constantly.
Stadium is a patch I made with massive reverb and delay and vocals brought back into the mix.
Is this better than the tc helicon play?
How do you think this pedal compares with sound quality to other pedals like the Tc Helicon play ?......would you say this is better in terms of sound such as being more clear and not muddy vocals more !!! Just wondered what your thoughts are ....Great video subscribed
Haven't tried the other pedal I'm afraid. I use mine for all my gigs and wouldn't feel comfortable without it. I had one show where my Bluetooth control died due to a big crowd and sang with minimal effects and wasn't happy. Haha
Jared, how do you get the great clean guitar sound / + reverb? amp? Guitar? thank's, Bernard
First off... THANK YOU 🙂
No amp, a good compression and EQ with a stereo chorus, reverb and delay. Try reverb and delay in different orders to see which you prefer. I've been running cleans without amp or speaker sims for years now I get a much better sound ✌️✌️
Ve 500 in how to long delay mute and other effects mute option. Please setting
Great video but a little heavy on the reverb for me. 😊
Can we do Guitar Loops also? Or is it only Vocal Loops? I'm between the ve-500 and te ve-8 to purchase and I want to be able to use the looper for the guitar and for the vocals. I already have a Boss FS-6 Foot Switch. Please help me with the answer to this. I really respect your knowledge of the ve-500. Thank you.
The guitar in is purely so the pedal can listen to the key and apply harmonies.
@@JaredGunstonTV Thank you very much. I will purchase then an RC-10R for Rythm & Looper and will be looking to purchase the ve-500 to work vocals only. I don't know if you have checkout the RC-500 midi sync with the RC-10R. I don't know yet if its possible, but if is possible to make them work together then the RC-500 will be the food pedal looper for voice and the RC-10R will be recording the guitar and controlling the Rythm section. I already have the RC-10R and it works as a charm for live performances, specially for playing live my original songs. You should try it if you haven't. The intros, the fills and the ending worth every dollar invested. Will be super cool if it can sync via midi with the RC-500 so we can record voice in sync with the unique features of the RC-10R. What do you think about that combination?
Does this have a midi send/recieve? Wondering if this stuff can be triggered automatically by DAW/stage triggers during a set by loading up a specific song/backing tracks etc.
Midi in yes. I send constant midi info today from my ipad for patch changes, fx on and off etc. It runs on its own WidiJack.
Thanks! So many demo videos male the harmony sound really fake and just not great. I was hoping it was just an eq issue and looks like it was cuz sounds great on your demos!
Nice Playing sir, if you would choose between Boss Ve-8 and Boss Ve-500
Between these two pedals, what is the most efficient and go to pedal if you are an acoustic singer?
Honestly the 500 is pretty rock solid and has nice stereo reverb. I haven't used the 8 too much to be often. But from the point of the 5 and the 500 both great units but 500 has great verbs and delays
U r amazing man ! Yooooooaaaaaaahh 🇸🇦
great demo and effects having trouble opening the files? ive downloaded them it says a .bed file? how do I open them please?
In my latest video I'm sure I do a import. That's ve500 #3 or #4. The software librarian allows you to import. I must do an update 👍👍
Hi We have this in the band. How can we do a simple reverb, little delay, and then a harmony on one patch. So when I’m stage I can just hit the harmony when I need it.
Did you figure this out? Do share!
Cool video man I totally did your style bro. Definitely going to be picking this pedal up. You definitely got a subscriber out of me keep this awesome content coming my friend.
this video is disinformation , if you are a singer and an artist you know how to sing wothout and then you have the control over the tool otherwise no man you are giving the wrong info about it
this video is disinformation , if you are a singer and an artist you know how to sing wothout and then you have the control over the tool otherwise no man you are giving the wrong info about it
Jared I need to know if you have found a way to activate fx1-fx4 via midi. I have a Boss MS-3 and I control all my Boss Pedals from there with the exception of the VE-500. I went to the different pdf specs from Boss and it does not show a way to activate fx1-fx4 individually. Do you know a way to do it? Can you please make a tutorial for the midi features on the VE-500? Thank you!
It's definately doable with CC#, perhaps you need help with running more then 1 device and having each on it's own CHANNEL? I'll gladly assist - it's on my list of "to-dos" to do a rig run down and how it all works where i basically do exactly that via bluetooth midi. But if you're well versed (or at least can get by like myself), its as simple as setting your MS to send a specific CC# lets say CC#20 on CH3 (assuming you'd make you're VE-500 on CHANNEL 3 in its settings), and then on the VE-500 side, Assign 1, Source: cc#20, moment, FX1,2,3 or 4, you'll find each effect and all its underlying effect just after VOCODER, MIN 0, MAX 127, and turng the assign on - you should be good to go! Just make sure you have your midi RX (recieve channel) on 3, omni either on or off, i can't remember off hand, PC IN set to ON, and that's about it.
@@JaredGunstonTV I will definitely try that. I'll let you know how it went. Thank you a lot. You are responsible for making me buy the ve-500, just to let you know. And I haven't regretted it a single day. I have to confess that first I purchased the VE-8, but dare to buy the VE-500 and now I use only the VE-500 for my vocals. I have more than 10 boss midi pedals and I'm right now limited by the 4 midi channel controls the MS-3 has. I learned to program there and call my pedals with the Midi Channels, but don't know how to program with the Assign section which has 8 Assigns in the same bank number. I'm still learning. This is a lot of trial & error. Right now I'm controlling the OD-200, IR-200, MD-500, RV-500, DD-500, RC-10R, RC-500, EQ-200, SY-200 & trying to program the VE-500, but not yet succesful. For example: I want to push pedal #1 on the MS-3 and change my distortion to a Radio Sound Like, and also my voice in the VE-500 to the radio fx. Then push the #2 pedal on my MS-3 and change to my normal distortion with my normal voice setting. That's why I need to program the VE-500 using the MS-3 as a controller and avoid the Tap Dancing between pedals. I will try your configuration suggestions. Once more thank you for your time. I will let you know how it went. Blessings!
Great video, it's like you made it under duress and even though you don't really want to do it, here you are, helping us out. That's awesome LOLOL.
I am trying to pick between the Voicelive play (which I've had before and it broke, wtf), and this Boss pedal. One thing I hated about the Voicelive is that it added so much high end and I had to be extra extra careful of feedback. It sucked. I am hoping with these deep settings in the Boss app, I can flatten it up a bit.
I love showing off gear 😂 I'm not as good as others in front of camera or with explaining things but I do try to make videos, unscripted and honest. Hahaha I do really enjoy to help players with their devices, too many folk have cool gear and don't understand it, I try to make things understandable.... Try!! 😂
@@JaredGunstonTV well just know that I appreciate it man. I couldn't do it, and you are definitely better than I would be. I would probably just stare at the camera lol. Keep it up and thanks again for guiding us through this.
@@lookmanostrings I agree with you on on the TC Helicon line of products not having ability to change EQ. Curious if you pulled the trigger on this? I'm thinking about it myself.
@@timkolekmusic oh man I did buy this Boss VE500, and the difference is night and day! I'm very happy. The Boss has a more natural sound, I've used it a couple of times for rehearsals and zero issues, and the harmonies sound pretty good. Totally worth it and I haven't even used the editing app, just used it out of the box.
@@lookmanostrings That is awesome! Appreciate you taking the time to reply. I pulled the trigger today myself and plan to put my TC helicon play acoustic on the market. Good luck with your music!
I read this pedal does not recognize chords for the auto-tune or harmony, but you seem to say that it does if you clearly are playing in a major or minor key and running your guitar through the pedal, is this correct?
That was my way of making sure it knew which chord I was playing. The vocoder stuff is flawless. But the chords I highly recommend having specific notes in your chords to inform it correctly
Does it work with keyboards?
Two questions:
1. Is there some kind of tap tempo for the delay?
2. Can I program what intervals the harmonizer picks per song? I sing but play no guitar in my band.
Tap tempo yes. What I'd recommend is to set the mic up and then create different patches for your songs or master key patches. On the boss product page go to downloads and grab the parameter manual not the owners manual it shares all relevant programming details.
@@JaredGunstonTV thanks for the quick response!
I’m having a tough time figuring out how to assign effects to pedals while keeping some defaults constant etc.
The user manual is crap
Where might some clear instructions on how to do this?
Besides this vid of course?
Tienes razón, el manual, los dos manuales, son una basura.
Probably like TC Helicon on steroids. Great demo.
Hello, I bought boss ve-50"
I have noticed that when you use pitch correction or when you use ehnace the treble (and it is especially noticeable on the ''s''), the treble sound is not stable and is noticeable as some noise. Is it normal for this to happen when using these effects? thank you
i stopped using pitch correction because of that.
@@JaredGunstonTV ok thanks for your answer
Just played around with this for the first time tonight and I just noticed when I dial in the formant effect---it's very faulty, my direct signal/voice comes in and out frequently and it interrupts the effect. Have you noticed this?
I've had this problem and it all stopped when I switched from a condenser to a dynamic. I used to love the AKG 414 but honestly I've grown out of it and I really like more mid range. My voice has good midrange so there's no point in killing it. I dont know what mic you're using but if you are using a phantom power mic, Id suggest using a dynamic mic. I use an RE20 now and everything works much better. This pedal is made for live situations mostly. Condensers just have way to much high and low. It messes with the formant for sure. Try an SM58/57/SM7b or an RE20. Or really anything that isnt phantom powered. That being said, you need a mic booster. For example the CM-1. Actually no, the VE500 has enough boost on its own but the CM-1 mic booster is made for large dynamic mics and it uses phantom power for non phantom power mics. I hope that made sense. If you're already using a dynamic mic I dont know how to help.
@@thetruthexperiment I have a dynamic mic. Formant on the Roland VT-4 works fine. I just got a TC Helicon C-1 and the formant works fine on that as well. Sucks that It doesn’t work properly on the VE-500.
can i make a baby voice patch on this ?
I got this pedal a couple days ago and I can’t seems to midi sync tempo, did you tried that? It shows “midi” instead of the tempo (ex: 120) but it doesn’t impact any of the FX’s…. Delays continues at 120 as in the “MST” parameter…
Set system clock to external if u recieving data. And set delay BPM to a note value right at the end of scroll wheel
@@JaredGunstonTV thank you so much Jered!! Found it, was missing setting it to bmp.
@@JaredGunstonTV hey Jared, if I may, just wanted to asking one more thing. Once I sync to midi (using a rc 500 in my case) if I got to my source device and stop sending clock, the ve 500 doesn’t seems to come out of midi mode until I brake the connection physically by pulling the cable or depending of the cable I need to either power cycle it or go to midi setting and flip between the source options (think it force reaches it)… is that the same with you?
@@rafaelikenaga im not sure on a technical mode... but yes when i unplugg the cables i get the message too. MIDI is a funny thing... u think u understand it... until you don't haha!
@@JaredGunstonTV Thank you Jared !
hey, is there tap tempo for delay?
Delay is synced via midi from my guitar pedal, Gt1000 core or sy-1000, ie it received clock via midi.
Says I need access to download the file m8, thank you! I'll keep checking back
Thanks for spotting that, try now ✌️
@@JaredGunstonTV Awesome! Thanks brother! You should try it with a condenser mic next!
@@joshuatrax I've tried condensers and as much as I love them I get way too much room noise. But ye maybe setting up a patch with gates etc can hel solve that. Need an arm first 😁