I remember my dad telling me. There's the San Pasqual Battlefield right there. Of course I didn't know the history. It was always on the way to the wild animal park, so I didn't really care. Now I'm interested in going to check it out, and I might bring my kid. But he will probably be disappointed thinking. We're not going to the wild animal park..
Ohhh I can't wait to watch this tonight!!! I recently started reading about Kit Carson in the book "Blood and Thunder" and it's been very good so far! This video will complement it nicely!!! Love your content!!! I will have to finish this video later tonight.
Outstanding historical video! This battle is as historically important as the Battle of the Little Bighorn and practically no one is aware of it, not even Californians. You provided details that are seldom mentioned, however there is much more to know about the portions of battle that preceeded the Carson, Beal, Chomokta rescue trek, including Captain Archibald Gillespie and his 39 Marines that joined the battle with Beal who played crucial roles in the battle preceeding your narrative. There are two airports in California named after these men, Beal Airforce Base (probably the only AFB named after a U.S. Naval officer), and Gillespie in El Cajon, CA. I'd love to know all your sources. Well Done!
If you want to know about hard men and women and perseverance pick up a copy of "California in '49" by William Manly of Death Valley history. It ranks with the Shackelton Expedition in terms of unimaginable grit. We do not measure up to those who came before us.
Check out Chris Ryan and the Bravo Two Zero escape. It was less than 35 years ago. Also check out the Royal Marines yomp across the Falklands to fight the Argentinans in 1982.
As I grew up in Colorado, I was always intrigued by the way areas got their name, Kit Carson Colorado was never done its justice until you started explaining the background. Thank you
I've been to MULE HILL where all this took place and it's funny how this site has a tennis court of a track housing neighborhood above it and a shopping mall right across the street. Many of the people who live in the area are unaware of this took place right in their own backyard! Great job in this vid! 👍
Kit Carson was an uncle of mine. My 2nd great grandfather came west to work on his uncles Kits ranches in NM and later CO. Have been researching family history for many years.
My 5G Uncle Joseph Ballinger Chiles led the first 7 wagon trains into California. He didn’t keep a diary, but others wrote about him. He was partners in real estate with Davis, who married his daughter. Together, the founded the city of Davis. Chiles moved to the upper Napa Valley, and has a valley to the east, named Chiles valley. He coordinated with Kit Carson on the passage through Kit Carson pass, on one of his last trips across the Sierras. The gristmill in front of the State Capitol was brought by him from MO, and used as the first flour mill in California. It was located in Chiles Valley. Chiles planted some of the earliest vineyards in the state, not planted by Monks.
@@ken2tou I read about how all the farming in California used to be done by American citizens/people from Oklahoma (Okies) and other people from the Midwest. Now? LOL. Not so much, guey.
I've camped at Fort Tejon, next to the small cemetery. You got to wear earplugs at night to sleep. I wish I could go on the original road on the mountain there. I watched California Gold with Huell Howser, learning about California.
"Mule Hill" is close to me and where our soldiers holed up in Escondido CA near Kit Carson Park. You can visit it still and contemplate what covering 30 miles in the surrounding terrain barefoot was like !
Thank you for you video. You have made quite a contribution. I was born in South Texas. Texas history was my favorite in high school, but, later became quite a bitter study to see how 4 major cultures would mix and not mix together to make Texas was it became. Without getting into a windbag rant, I thank you for your work and will subscribe to learn more from your videos. 10/13/24
This episode appears in a very good book about Kit Carson by Hampton Sides called “Blood and Thunder”. The book tells Carson’s story since he was tied to New Mexico, where we and my men’s book club live. As has been stated by other commenters, Carson was a man of his times. He perpetrated many heinous acts, a real terrible one in my opinion, was his destruction of the vegetation and the peach trees around Canyon de Chelly to starve out the Dine’. Also his involvement in the Long March of Navajos/Dine’ to Fort 1:51 Sumter, a frontier concentration camp. Still, he was quite a human being for his times. His values reflected his times but some were admirable. I guess a conflicted human trying to live life in his times. No excuses offered. Just a perspective.
In 2000, David Roberts wrote a tribute: ' 'Carson's trajectory, from thoughtless killer of Apaches and Blackfeet (Klamath Lake & Sacramento River massacres) to defender and champion of the Utes, marks him out as one of the few frontiersmen who had a change of heart toward the Indians.' '
Beale who by the way was the son of an War of 1812 Medal of Honor Soldier was well known in the west for his wagon road and Camel Corps. Carson's biggest black spot was against the Navajo. Part of it was orders from an idiot but he destroyed so much that was never replaced and those who were sick and falling behind on the long walk were shot.
Nowadays we throw a fit if the internet isn't working properly. These guys could run across the open desert, barefoot. For miles and miles. In the dark. With no food or water. Surrounded by armed enemies looking for you. To get help for your seriously injured friends, on a hilltop, in the middle of nowhere. Also surrounded by armed enemy soldiers. And also with no food or water. Just amazing.
I lived in SanDiego County for 35 years. I've been to the two battlefields. That rock hill is Mule Hill. The pictures shown are not accurate depictions of Rancho Bernardino.
How cool would it be to earn the nickname El Lobo from your enemy? I like how in those days, enemies were more capable of admitting grudging admiration for one another.
There’s a cool fraternal organization called the Descendants of Mexican War Veterans, made up of people who are descended from American servicemen who fought in the Mexican American War.
I live by san pasquel valley.....its not as desertlike as presented the picture of mule hill is like the whoke area. Cosral sage and grass with granidiorite rock's sticking out.
Having initially befriended the Navajo, he then helped the US government round them up and force walk them to a hellish place. That's a betrayal no matter what time period you're looking at.
I don't know why he's talking about them being in the desert. This battle took place in east county It is mountains not desert. I grew up 15 minutes down the road from where all this happened. Don't get me wrong it can get hot but it's not barren land like you are making it sound. They were not crawling on the desert floor nor was "thorny". Again this is in east county san diego mountains and valleys not the desert.
Can't believe why even after San Diego commenters corrected the landscape to 'California Oak country' he insists "desert"? If we read between the lines, this battle was America's " Charge of the Light Brigade". How bad was it? Kearny only had Company C, 1st U.S. Dragoons, mostly mounted on mules, 50 officers and men. 17 killed in action, 18 wounded, 15 surviving unscathed. Most officers were killed or wounded. This was done by Californio "rancher militia" not Mexican Army regulars! Talk about a cover up. The two things that saved Kearny, Gillespie and other wounded Americans was that although receiving numerous lance wounds, The Californios were not properly trained in technique for effective bladed combat: they lassoed riders to pull them off saddles and pickled them on the ground, kind of how they hunted bears too. Lastly, a typical Freezing California hailstorm cancelled the battle, the Californios repaired to a nearby ranch for supper and the American forces were too shattered to do anything but remain out in the open that wintry night. To this day American accounts credit Kearny for "winning" the battle because he "remained in possession of the battlefield". Kit Carson is truly a hero for his actions following this disastrous battle. Lastly, Californios were not too pleased with Mexico's mismanagement of California, and quickly brokered a peace settlement with the Treaty of Cahuenga, which granted them full citizen's rights, almost a full year ahead of the treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo that ended the Mexican American war.
Correct, I think of this often when I see people write we should give California back to Mexico. Nearly nobody in California was happy being part of Mexico, they were citizens of Spain. The Mexican government did them no favors. Mexico attacked the Catholic Church, secularized the missions, and tried to impose taxes on them. Spain had pretty much left them alone.
The Californios didn't like the Americans much either. They didn't speak their language, they weren't Catholics, but they were somewhat indifferent about the Mexican government
@@scottmcburney8938 Well too many Americans today think get rid of the local dictator and the people can set up a democratic republic: wrong; didn't work in Panama, Nicaragua, Vietnam, hey we helped get rid of Kaddafi, but Libya descended into worse anarchy. It takes a culture like the American Colonists had' an English tradition moving resolutely into universal suffrage to understand the underlying principles being denied them by the English Parliament under Lord North rather than any despotic wish of King George, who incidentally highly regarded the other George {Washington}. Coincidentally Tejanos in Texas were also trying to secede from Mexico and also had their "Alamo", maybe something you might feature in the future.
Good living grief: If you get paid by the word, you will be rich beyond compare as soon as you cash in. Glad I have a refrigerator and the kitchen faucet close. Is there an ending soon? WWII had an ending!
As an Escondido native! Thank you so many forget about the battle of San Pasquale & our local kit Carson park 🇲🇽🇺🇸
I remember my dad telling me. There's the San Pasqual Battlefield right there. Of course I didn't know the history. It was always on the way to the wild animal park, so I didn't really care. Now I'm interested in going to check it out, and I might bring my kid. But he will probably be disappointed thinking. We're not going to the wild animal park..
@ that’s fun & funny!
Ohhh I can't wait to watch this tonight!!! I recently started reading about Kit Carson in the book "Blood and Thunder" and it's been very good so far! This video will complement it nicely!!! Love your content!!! I will have to finish this video later tonight.
Great read!
Outstanding historical video! This battle is as historically important as the Battle of the Little Bighorn and practically no one is aware of it, not even Californians. You provided details that are seldom mentioned, however there is much more to know about the portions of battle that preceeded the Carson, Beal, Chomokta rescue trek, including Captain Archibald Gillespie and his 39 Marines that joined the battle with Beal who played crucial roles in the battle preceeding your narrative. There are two airports in California named after these men, Beal Airforce Base (probably the only AFB named after a U.S. Naval officer), and Gillespie in El Cajon, CA.
I'd love to know all your sources. Well Done!
In case you had any doubts about how much softer we are than our ancestors lol
If you want to know about hard men and women and perseverance pick up a copy of "California in '49" by William Manly of Death Valley history. It ranks with the Shackelton Expedition in terms of unimaginable grit. We do not measure up to those who came before us.
Check out Chris Ryan and the Bravo Two Zero escape. It was less than 35 years ago. Also check out the Royal Marines yomp across the Falklands to fight the Argentinans in 1982.
I have no doubt. My ancestors hunted mammoth and smiladon with sharpened sticks
Yup lose power millions of millions of us would die.
Amen chicken fish, Amen.
From Iowa............................John
As I grew up in Colorado, I was always intrigued by the way areas got their name, Kit Carson Colorado was never done its justice until you started explaining the background. Thank you
Our ancestors would disown us and be beyond disturbed by the world today
You haven't listened to much of this channel have you 😂
I've been to MULE HILL where all this took place and it's funny how this site has a tennis court of a track housing neighborhood above it and a shopping mall right across the street. Many of the people who live in the area are unaware of this took place right in their own backyard! Great job in this vid! 👍
Kit Carson was an uncle of mine. My 2nd great grandfather came west to work on his uncles Kits ranches in NM and later CO. Have been researching family history for many years.
My 5G Uncle Joseph Ballinger Chiles led the first 7 wagon trains into California. He didn’t keep a diary, but others wrote about him.
He was partners in real estate with Davis, who married his daughter. Together, the founded the city of Davis.
Chiles moved to the upper Napa Valley, and has a valley to the east, named Chiles valley.
He coordinated with Kit Carson on the passage through Kit Carson pass, on one of his last trips across the Sierras.
The gristmill in front of the State Capitol was brought by him from MO, and used as the first flour mill in California. It was located in Chiles Valley.
Chiles planted some of the earliest vineyards in the state, not planted by Monks.
@@ken2tou I read about how all the farming in California used to be done by American citizens/people from Oklahoma (Okies) and other people from the Midwest. Now? LOL. Not so much, guey.
@@notsocrates9529😂😂
@@ken2tou😂how many woman they rape
He was in my family tree as well. I guess we are related!
Thank you for the stories you tell, I look forward to the next.
Another Excellent & Accurate account of Cali history. Bravo & Thank you.
The Marines came to the rescue. Semper Fidelis! 🇺🇸🫡
Excellent Presentation As Always.
Love this. I used to play disc golf at Kit Carson park and worked right under Mule Hill.
Good story.Bring us more.
Another wonderful story thank you
Excellent and Outstanding!!!!
Thank you sir.
Another good video…thanks
I live very near Fort Tejon and Tejon Ranch (Founded By Beale) His Name & Legacy Are Still Around In These Mountains
I've driven by there a hundred times and never knew that.
Ft. Tejon hosts Civil War reenactments.
I've camped at Fort Tejon, next to the small cemetery. You got to wear earplugs at night to sleep. I wish I could go on the original road on the mountain there. I watched California Gold with Huell Howser, learning about California.
"Mule Hill" is close to me and where our soldiers holed up in Escondido CA near Kit Carson Park. You can visit it still and contemplate what covering 30 miles in the surrounding terrain barefoot was like !
Thank you.
Love your stories ❤
Outstanding video thanks
Thank you for you video. You have made quite a contribution. I was born in South Texas. Texas history was my favorite in high school, but, later became quite a bitter study to see how 4 major cultures would mix and not mix together to make Texas was it became.
Without getting into a windbag rant, I thank you for your work and will subscribe to learn more from your videos. 10/13/24
Awesome. 🤟
Fabulous.
Kit Carson's exploits where the only one's dime novels didn't need to embellish much. He actually did it.
This episode appears in a very good book about Kit Carson by Hampton Sides called “Blood and Thunder”. The book tells Carson’s story since he was tied to New Mexico, where we and my men’s book club live. As has been stated by other commenters, Carson was a man of his times. He perpetrated many heinous acts, a real terrible one in my opinion, was his destruction of the vegetation and the peach trees around Canyon de Chelly to starve out the Dine’. Also his involvement in the Long March of Navajos/Dine’ to Fort 1:51 Sumter, a frontier concentration camp. Still, he was quite a human being for his times. His values reflected his times but some were admirable. I guess a conflicted human
trying to live life in his times. No excuses offered. Just a perspective.
In 2000, David Roberts wrote a tribute: ' 'Carson's trajectory, from thoughtless killer of Apaches and Blackfeet (Klamath Lake & Sacramento River massacres) to defender and champion of the Utes, marks him out as one of the few frontiersmen who had a change of heart toward the Indians.' '
Good video 👍
When I was a kid, I used to camp out at an old Butterfield Stagecoach stop near Valley Center California.
Mexican Lancers were no joke.
Beale who by the way was the son of an War of 1812 Medal of Honor Soldier was well known in the west for his wagon road and Camel Corps. Carson's biggest black spot was against the Navajo. Part of it was orders from an idiot but he destroyed so much that was never replaced and those who were sick and falling behind on the long walk were shot.
Nowadays we throw a fit if the internet isn't working properly. These guys could run across the open desert, barefoot. For miles and miles. In the dark. With no food or water. Surrounded by armed enemies looking for you. To get help for your seriously injured friends, on a hilltop, in the middle of nowhere. Also surrounded by armed enemy soldiers. And also with no food or water.
Just amazing.
I lived in SanDiego County for 35 years. I've been to the two battlefields. That rock hill is Mule Hill. The pictures shown are not accurate depictions of Rancho Bernardino.
454 walker colt, thx for the video
Kit Carson Crew
You should do a story of the Mormon meadow massacre
How cool would it be to earn the nickname El Lobo from your enemy? I like how in those days, enemies were more capable of admitting grudging admiration for one another.
Going to San Pasquale in a few weeks.
I believe to Carson, aside from the physical aspect, it truly wasn’t even an especially challenging task (the evasion and navigation).
There’s a cool fraternal organization called the Descendants of Mexican War Veterans, made up of people who are descended from American servicemen who fought in the Mexican American War.
I live by san pasquel valley.....its not as desertlike as presented the picture of mule hill is like the whoke area. Cosral sage and grass with granidiorite rock's sticking out.
These men were pure leather and iron.
More California please
A man can endure way more than he thinks he can!
I refuse to believe that Carson would just lose his boots.
Lt. Beale: "Knuck if you buck, boy"
Is there any doubt that these old timers wouldve kicked our ass? Imagine the looks they would've given someone who said, "I'm, like, living my truth."
Awsome
He was a force. It should also be pointed out that he had a dubious later history in NM with the Navajos ..
Indeed he did, more on that coming soon!
Digueno, Kumeyaay, Ippi Ipai, Pai Pai, Yumano
Kit Carson has been vilified lately. Life was very different back then, but people want to assign today's standards to people then.
Having initially befriended the Navajo, he then helped the US government round them up and force walk them to a hellish place. That's a betrayal no matter what time period you're looking at.
Not a betrayal, just doing a job.
@@donwillis9103 CARSON is vilified because these natives have the “OLDERS” have been told how he helped the USA army hunt down NATIVES.
@tonystoops7802 lmao yea buddy that's what the Nazi's said, didn't end well for em 😂
@@sephen131 but it did end well for kit Carson. Who lived a long and very prosperous life.
I don't know why he's talking about them being in the desert. This battle took place in east county It is mountains not desert. I grew up 15 minutes down the road from where all this happened. Don't get me wrong it can get hot but it's not barren land like you are making it sound. They were not crawling on the desert floor nor was "thorny". Again this is in east county san diego mountains and valleys not the desert.
Can you be sure what it looked line in the 1840s?
@tomsmith5216 yes I can be. It didn't go from desert to what it is now in 185 years
I was born in kearney mesa
My NATIVE acquaintances tell me KIT CARSON was a mean to them, Carson
didn’t like NATIVES.
He wasn't mean to anyone alive today.
I can’t walk barefoot 10 feet on my gravel driveway. No brag, just fact.
I would like to know more about the native American in the trio.
Carson was much a man…I named my dog after him…
Cigarette I'm Spanish is cigaro, not cigarette-o
The source material says "sigareto", but we'd never seen that before either.
@@historyattheokcorralMy guess is they misspelled "cigarillo". It's a small cigar filled with faster burning tobacco. Spanish origin.
Wow! Same dirty tactic as in Texas.
Where do you getto this informetto if he was alone and no witness to what really happened; it’s kind of whatto happen to the Alamo mytho
Can't believe why even after San Diego commenters corrected the landscape to 'California Oak country' he insists "desert"? If we read between the lines, this battle was America's " Charge of the Light Brigade". How bad was it? Kearny only had Company C, 1st U.S. Dragoons, mostly mounted on mules, 50 officers and men. 17 killed in action, 18 wounded, 15 surviving unscathed. Most officers were killed or wounded. This was done by Californio "rancher militia" not Mexican Army regulars! Talk about a cover up. The two things that saved Kearny, Gillespie and other wounded Americans was that although receiving numerous lance wounds, The Californios were not properly trained in technique for effective bladed combat: they lassoed riders to pull them off saddles and pickled them on the ground, kind of how they hunted bears too. Lastly, a typical Freezing California hailstorm cancelled the battle, the Californios repaired to a nearby ranch for supper and the American forces were too shattered to do anything but remain out in the open that wintry night. To this day American accounts credit Kearny for "winning" the battle because he "remained in possession of the battlefield". Kit Carson is truly a hero for his actions following this disastrous battle. Lastly, Californios were not too pleased with Mexico's mismanagement of California, and quickly brokered a peace settlement with the Treaty of Cahuenga, which granted them full citizen's rights, almost a full year ahead of the treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo that ended the Mexican American war.
It was just a skirmish, is all.
@@Page-Hendryx Yup, brief but deadly.
Correct, I think of this often when I see people write we should give California back to Mexico. Nearly nobody in California was happy being part of Mexico, they were citizens of Spain. The Mexican government did them no favors. Mexico attacked the Catholic Church, secularized the missions, and tried to impose taxes on them. Spain had pretty much left them alone.
The Californios didn't like the Americans much either. They didn't speak their language, they weren't Catholics, but they were somewhat indifferent about the Mexican government
@@scottmcburney8938 Well too many Americans today think get rid of the local dictator and the people can set up a democratic republic: wrong; didn't work in Panama, Nicaragua, Vietnam, hey we helped get rid of Kaddafi, but Libya descended into worse anarchy. It takes a culture like the American Colonists had' an English tradition moving resolutely into universal suffrage to understand the underlying principles being denied them by the English Parliament under Lord North rather than any despotic wish of King George, who incidentally highly regarded the other George {Washington}. Coincidentally Tejanos in Texas were also trying to secede from Mexico and also had their "Alamo", maybe something you might feature in the future.
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Joaquin Murrieta Video
I love greasy mule stew....jk ill just take a ham sandwich or maybe a cheeseburger...
This memorial was torn down andncarson is known now as an indian killer and bad person.how times change
Be patient. In 20 years our present woke nonsense and anti Americanism will be discredited and largely forgotten.
Times have indeed changed. 👍
Algorithm
Yeah, we lost all that land because we did so bad. The narration here is a joke.
Not at all what we said.
AMERICANS WERE A TOUGH BREED BACK THEN!!!!
Fun Fact..most Mexicans had Brown eyes which impared night vision.
No, your eye color doesn't affect your night vision.
There's a clam that has blue eyes. No doubt with 20-20 vision.
Good living grief: If you get paid by the word, you will be rich beyond compare as soon as you cash in. Glad I have a refrigerator and the kitchen faucet close. Is there an ending soon? WWII had an ending!
Yep. As soon as you turn it off.