When Did Judaism and Christianity become Different Religions? | The Birth of Christianity

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  • @kuvasz5252
    @kuvasz5252 3 роки тому +1

    Nicely done. A wonderful, and concise explanation.
    I have the perspective that "When Did Judaism and Christianity become Different Religions?" depends on whether you are looking at it from the inside or outside of the theological debate. Pliny's letter to Trajan @ 112 CE has been my cut off from the outside view.

  • @nickalasmontano1496
    @nickalasmontano1496 2 роки тому +1

    This has been a very interesting and informative video! I've only really gotten the mythologized version of the history of Christianity. And having this outside perspective is very valuable. Thank you.

  • @olinayoung6287
    @olinayoung6287 3 роки тому +3

    Super interesting! Thank you.

  • @nickbalmes6640
    @nickbalmes6640 3 роки тому +6

    Ahh its that time of the week for another Loreho- I mean history lesson 😆

  • @Infantryalltheway
    @Infantryalltheway 3 роки тому +1

    Great follow up to the one that preceded it.

  • @ViashinoWizard
    @ViashinoWizard 3 роки тому +1

    Always enjoy these videos. Thanks for all the effort you put in every week!

  • @robrechtds
    @robrechtds 2 роки тому

    Thank you for this clear summary, very interesting!

  • @saintlybeginnings
    @saintlybeginnings 3 роки тому +2

    3:44 - Peter also has at least 2 epistles; James also was an author

    • @NizzahonHistory
      @NizzahonHistory  3 роки тому +2

      The epistles of James and Peter are all considered pseudepigraphal. Tradition says they were written by them, but academia does not.

  • @Nolsie
    @Nolsie 3 роки тому +9

    alternate title: top ten anime betrayals part 1

  • @mechalincoln
    @mechalincoln Рік тому +5

    It was Roman Judea at the time, not "Roman Palestine". Get it right.

  • @ndega
    @ndega 2 роки тому

    Thank you so much for this well presented history lesson.

  • @hectorvazquez818
    @hectorvazquez818 3 роки тому +2

    I know this question may not be easy to answer but, Do you think a 1st century Christian would even recognize a Catholic mass or modern Christian worship?

    • @NizzahonHistory
      @NizzahonHistory  3 роки тому +3

      They would not be able to recognize it, no. Which isn't really surprising, given that it has been 2000 years. They wouldn't recognize most things!

    • @hectorvazquez818
      @hectorvazquez818 3 роки тому

      @@NizzahonHistory I think they would be horrified that people even pray to a cross. Even the apostles would think it all very pagany and idol worshippy. It just seems that when the Romans got a hold on it, they fused their pagan ideals with fullfillment of Jewish scripture and called it a day :)

  • @MindGameArcade
    @MindGameArcade 3 роки тому +1

    I'm really interested in a longer video regarding your opinion of Renaissance vs. Medieval period. Even on Wikipedia or other documents I keep seeing this notion that the Medieval period was truly "inferior" regarding intellectual developments etc.
    Wondering what kind of hard facts or metrics could show that these clichés aren't really true.
    I need to rewatch this top 10 you made: ua-cam.com/video/XgNsB8GKYMI/v-deo.html

    • @NizzahonHistory
      @NizzahonHistory  3 роки тому +3

      This week's video also deals with some of this, because I talk about medieval inventions.

    • @MindGameArcade
      @MindGameArcade 3 роки тому

      @@NizzahonHistory Yes just saw that, that's perfect!

  • @waaaaaaah5135
    @waaaaaaah5135 3 роки тому +1

    Learned some of this stuff in a course about Jewish-Christian relations during the time of Jesus to the period of the Talmud, all fascinating stuff. Apparently, for a while there was a group of Jewish Christians who believed in Jesus and still practiced Jewish Law (I think they disbanded when Christianity became the official religion of the Roman Empire, but can't quite remember the dates)

    • @tau.r.u
      @tau.r.u 3 роки тому +1

      Going by the text of Acts 15, in which a council happens where Paul defends his belief that the practice of Jewish law shouldn't be expected of non-Jewish christians, there was at least some amount of time in which it was considered normal that Jewish Christians kept the Law.
      I'm going to hazard a guess that it is quite hard to be sure how long that custom stuck around. All the way to Theodosius seems long, but certainly not impossible. I'd assume it might differ from place to place and be influenced by whether there was any enmity between Jews and Christians in any given place.

    • @achilles7607
      @achilles7607 9 місяців тому +1

      At first, Christians were seen as just a "stream" in Judaism.
      So that makes sense.
      Then it became an entirely different religion and they just ignored all the laws and core "points" of Judaism, one example is- Not worshipping false Idols or other false Gods or men(Jesus)...

  • @kaydenchapman3094
    @kaydenchapman3094 3 роки тому +1

    Such intricacies I never knew about

  • @hectorvazquez818
    @hectorvazquez818 3 роки тому +1

    Imagine telling a Jewish or Jewish Christian person in early 1st century that the Roman Empire would take the God of Israel as there own. They would've look at you like you were crazy. How could the Romans find salvation in Jesus when they were partly responsible for the Crucifixtion. It truely was Paul who brought Christ to the Romans.

  • @davidward5225
    @davidward5225 4 місяці тому

    The Jerusalem council made the decision on circumcision, Acts 15, not just Paul.

  • @inthenamemosthigh
    @inthenamemosthigh 5 місяців тому

    Through Paul Christianity was established and he established himself in Rome.. primarily Paul is against circumcision.. Acts 21: 21/ Acts 21: 27- 30.. Galatians 2: 7- 8.. Titus 1: 10.. Mathias was elected 12 apostles in Acts 1: 26.. only 12 apostles.. Revelation 21: 14

  • @ScatterBrainedYouBetterFollow
    @ScatterBrainedYouBetterFollow 3 роки тому +1

    More nizzy the better

  • @smithcm14
    @smithcm14 3 роки тому

    I thought 1 Peter had been written by him in Rome?

    • @NizzahonHistory
      @NizzahonHistory  3 роки тому +1

      That's what tradition says, analysis of the document says it is pseudepigriphal.

  • @jdorffer
    @jdorffer 3 роки тому

    Ce in my opinion is AD

    • @NizzahonHistory
      @NizzahonHistory  3 роки тому +7

      C.E. is more ecumenical

    • @jdorffer
      @jdorffer 3 роки тому +2

      I just learned a new word ecumenical. Thanks for feedback

  • @georgem7502
    @georgem7502 3 роки тому

    Do we know when Eucharistic meals become a regular defining feature of the early Christian churches? Before 97 ce? Did it serve as some kind of a clear boundary marker to define who was and wasn’t in the church, or was it just stolen from the cult of Mithras??

    • @NizzahonHistory
      @NizzahonHistory  3 роки тому +2

      It didn't become Church doctrine until 1215, but it was practiced by some well before that. We don't know when for sure, but likely not until the 4th century.

    • @georgem7502
      @georgem7502 3 роки тому

      @@NizzahonHistory oh wow as late as that, I’d thought it was much earlier, say a generation after the apostles. Thanks 😊

  • @saintlybeginnings
    @saintlybeginnings 3 роки тому

    6:46 - eh, not quite. It was actually discussed at the 1st Council of Jerusalem (Acts 15). Peter agreed, as those laws were of Moses due to the Jews living along side the pagan Egyptians for so long, and partaking in their sinfulness, they were to be circumcised as the pagan Egyptians were. This (nor the dietary laws or the clean/ unclean) really was not part of God’s will, but due to Jews falling into pagan idolatry / cultural influences of the pagans.
    Faith in Christ means more than just spiritual, as one must repent & be Baptized, amongst other changes in ones behavior, which is done because of faith in Jesus Christ:

    • @NizzahonHistory
      @NizzahonHistory  3 роки тому +2

      The Acts of the Apostles are not considered authentic sources for that kind of information, that's why I stick to talking about Paul's epistles.

  • @robertmendez8383
    @robertmendez8383 3 роки тому

    When the word became flesh 🙏

  • @saintlybeginnings
    @saintlybeginnings 3 роки тому

    Honestly, I don’t see it as becoming “two different” religions, as Catholicism is very much Jewish, just more mature. The Jewish faith fulfilled as promised throughout the OT.

    • @NizzahonHistory
      @NizzahonHistory  3 роки тому +2

      That kind of thing is a very Christian perspective, and sounds a lot like supersessionism. The kind of analysis that I do is intentionally outside these sorts of theological viewpoints. Catholicism and Judaism are very clearly two different religions, but they are certainly related.

    • @achilles7607
      @achilles7607 9 місяців тому

      Catholicism is NOTHING like Judaism...

  • @Syed_12
    @Syed_12 3 роки тому

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    Quran 4:58
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    Quran 2:190
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    Quran 4 :135
    '' Ye who believe! stand out firmly for justice, as witnesses to God, even as against > YOURSELVES < or your parents, or your kin, and whether it be (against) rich or poor: for God can best protect both. Follow not the lusts (of your hearts), lest ye swerve, and if ye distort (justice) or decline to do justice, verily God is well-acquainted with all that ye do.''
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    Quran 2.177
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    Quran 2:256
    '' Let there be no compulsion in religion. Truth stands out clear from error ''
    Quran 10:99
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    Quran 109: 1- 6
    Say,"O disbelievers,
    I do not worship what you worship.
    Nor are you worshipers of what I worship.
    Nor will I be a worshiper of what you worship.
    Nor will you be worshipers of what I worship.
    For you is your religion, and for me is my religion."
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    Quran 9:6
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    Islam mean > submission < to God
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    Quran 5;5
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    Quran 60:8
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    Quran 5:32
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    Quran 41:34
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    Quran 9:71
    ''And the believers, men and women, are > Protecting Friends < one of another; they enjoin the right and forbid the wrong, and they establish worship and they pay the poor-due, and they obey God and His messenger. As for these, God will have mercy on them. Lo! God is Mighty, Wise.''
    Quran16:97
    “To whoever, male or female, does good deeds and has faith, We shall give a good life and reward them according to the best of their actions.
    Quran 30:21
    “And of His signs is that He created for you from yourselves mates that you may find tranquility in them; and He placed between you > affection and mercy { Love }
    The Prophet Muhammad said, “The best among you is the best to his wife”
    ( Human Are One Big family )
    Quran 49:13
    " O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that ye may know each other (not that ye may despise (each other). Verily the most honored of you in the sight of God is (he who is) the most righteous of you. And God has full knowledge and is well acquainted (with all things)."
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    Quran 30:22
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    * Find the excuse to help others and forgive others NOT the other way around.
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    Quran 17:7
    If you do good, you will do so for your own good. And if you do evil, it will be to your own loss.