Sigung Chu from my school’s lineage. The King of Sil Lim Tao. I heard some days he would practice the form for endless hours. His demonstrations are plentiful on YT and we are so lucky to have these records.
Yeah he did. We have a video of him talking about his early days training with Ip Man on this channel. I think it's titled something like ' CST early training days with Ip man'. Apart from his exercises (swimming and hiking) he trained around 7 hours a day and in the beginning that consisted mostly of Siu Nim Tao.
@@MindfulWingChun Thanks for the reply. My school (IWCA, Sydney) is currently run by Tristan Fung, son of Sifu Jim, whom was a student of CST. I have not been in Sydney for many years and I miss the team there. Very humble group of instructors. Sigung also has some fantastic videos on the importance of the Tan Sau and Lap Sau. Great video here thanks very much. 👍🇦🇺
@@cloudattack3279 Cheers mate. Yeah I (Nima) also started in IWCA under Jim Fung and was running one of the branches (North Sydney) for him for a few years. This is in 2001. I moved to HK in 2005 to train under Sigung Fulltime and have been here since. Hope you can find another school of our lineage wherever you are located now. You can also check out www.mindfulwingchun.online 👍 All the best and happy to help ith any training questions you may have as you get back into it.
For those who do not understand Cantonese, I encourage you to ignore the spoken English translation and focus on the English subtitles instead. The English subtitles precisely translate what GM CST is saying, whereas the spoken translation is inaccurate at times.
@@MindfulWingChun I wasn't sure if maybe you got it from the video by "Sifu Subtitles" as that one came out over a month ago,using the same footage(albeit a shorter video).
Thank you for sharing your experience with great detail & commentary....I am 80 grs old & still practicing this form ...keeps me focused on my journey in martial arts... cheers 🦘🦘😊
I mostly cultivate chi for spiritual and health purposes but the way he does this form is massively internal and chi moves a lot. The slightly open relaxed fingers on the moves. Details like that matter. What a great master. 🙏
That's is fantastic. Cultivation for the Spirit and health! For me, as I'm getting into older age, the purpose and passion of practice is becoming more for that also 🙏🙏 He truly was an amazing master and human being.
@@MindfulWingChun The cultivation of chi at higher levels can only lead to spiritual growth and becoming a better human being. Ultimately that’s something that separates internal and external arts and relates to the potential quantum nature of our reality and connection of all things. This master had gone very far in the sea law and i think he’s connected to primordial essence why he had such power in his moves.
@@MindfulWingChun Doing this form the chi will rise up the feet through the body. What’s referred to as earth or yin Chi. After long time the chi will work it’s way through the body this can take years to a point it will pop out the crown point. After a while you then through the feet and the crown connect to the universal chi which is lot more potent. I think your Master certainly had gone this far.
@mindfulwingchun At this point the chi isnt bound by any lines it can flow everywhere and nowhere even becoming a powerful aura. Some masters overtime even developed empty force. The Li mind directing the chi he calls it nim lol?
interesting discussion on involuntary Kundalini awakening, very valuable, never strain like they do in Kundalini Yoga or Sanshin breathing in Karate....
Interesting, this clip felt like I was listening to my own teacher. I can more clearly see how our arts share the same roots of the same tree. Love it. So good your openly sharing
WOW could have done with this one a few years ago, I've been doing first form every day for three last three years , after about six months I had a complete black out of vision for a second, twice on separate occasion's, ive also had flashes of colour a few times as well, i thought this must be a good thing ,as something is at least happening . Be careful out there and thanks for the great content .
Gald it helped man and better late than never. St least you know now and all is well with you. Yeah need to be careful with these kinds of practices as we are working directly with the mind. Basically not trying too hard and enduring that your breathing is always natural and calm will ensure your practice remains safe and enjoyable. All the best Nicholas.
@@MindfulWingChun you can wacth on my channel "Ving Tsun Harmonie - VTMTL - FRANCE " how we work to pressure test evry technique and tell me if you feel is right use of nim tao / nim lik or not. best regards ;)
This was just incredible. Thank you for this priceless teaching. The only problem is now I am really confused, I just got to a stage of learning or understanding the important value of not being on autopilot and mindless, that one needs to be mindful and move the body first using intention directed by the mind to move the body. All my recent internal teachings, from teachers of Xingyiquan, Taiji, and I could swear, (correct me if I’m wrong) also by videos made by you, Sifu Nima, have said this. I understand that One should lead with intention and mindfulness, but what GM Chu says in this video seems to completely contradict that practice and method and instead work to achieve automation as opposed to focused attention.
This is a fantastic video. Although our grand master was considered the “king” of this form , Nima has a fantastic understanding after spending many years training with CST in Hong Kong . Don’t allow yourself to be discouraged by any confusion. It’s part of the learning process. We may never reach the same level as he did but don’t let that stop you from this journey. Only those who believe they have mastered this can demonstrate their ignorance and lack of understanding
So there are different levels of the practice. To get to highest level (Nim Lik) it means you have done SNT correctly and mindfully so many times that there is a holistic intention for every movement. For example, at first the level of mindfulness in a Tan sau is the practitioner feeling the spine, and perhaps feeling relaxation of the shoulder joint, and then controlling the joint to move the elbow while ensuring the wrist is traveling in a straight line etc. At the highest level, the arm doesn't feel separate to the body, the whole process is one of a holistic one, almost as if there is no arm. CST used that phrase a lot in his final years of teaching "forget your arms and legs" which is so contradictory to everything he taught us prior to that like releasing the muscles, feeling and controlling the joints etc. Simply stated the level of the 'mindful' state becomes holistic and all encompassing instead of micro Managing every movement. there for each movement simply happens with the lightest (and whole body encompassing) intention. As Rob said try not to get frustrated or discouraged when feeling confused. Just go back to the drawing board and keep things very simple. These levels are truly understood once experienced. 👍 You're on the online school right? if so just try and stick to the sequence of ideas to work on the way presented on the program, that way you are sure to build the right foundations and not rush into a level that you're not ready for which would be detrimental to your progress.
@@MindfulWingChun Thank you Sifu Nima, I feel much better as I now have a clearer perspective on the roadmap of progression. Thank you for taking the time to explain it. Yes, I am a student of the online school, and train daily, but I had to temporarily put a hold on my membership due to finances. I expect to renew my membership in the next few weeks so I can continue on this incredible path.
What the Master is speaking about here is not mindfulness or intention as these are active states of consciousness. He is directing you towards something else completely which moves on its own without intention or consciousness. This is why he says, phase 1 learn the precise movement, phase 2 let your body move itself into each position and phase 3, let the Body's Life-Force (Chi) direct and move the Body into position without any conscious control or intention. Listen carefully to what he says, "something inside me inflates my arm." This is why Wing Tsun is so hard to teach because there are no words adequate enough in any language to accurately describe this. And this is also why you have to train with a Master because when he touches you, your Body, subconsciously will access this pathway, and it will feel very strange to you when it first happens. When the pathway opens inside you the Master will both sense and feel it when he looks and touches you. And he will probably say, "there it is" and you will probably break away from the unconscious pathway back into consciousness by trying to think, analyze and understand what it was that the Master sensed and felt awakening inside of you. And so the door will close to you and you will have to start all over again. The key is not to be mindful or set an intention. Just be respectful, patient, natural with No form of conscious mind which will interfere....and when you are not looking for it, suddenly it will appear. Read the book, Sword of No Sword by Yamaoka Tesshu, Poet, Calligrapher, sword-master and Zen Master, considered Japans greatest swordsman....
The verbal story told to his students by Ip Man was that as the legend went NG Mui witnessed a fight between a Crane and a rodent and saw how the crane was using its wings to effortlessly redirect the incoming force and simultaneously attack with its leg and that's how she was inspired to come up with Wing Chun.
@@MindfulWingChun I remember repeating that story as part of my first belt. but how & when & why did it switch from rat to snake? maybe "snake" sounded more ferocious?
When I execute Siu Lim Tau I look straight ahead into tall mirror. I can observe all my movements. The subconscious mind is making necessary adjustments while I am thinking how cool I look. This is method I learned Sil Lim Tao from SIfu 'with tradition & flare' (chuántǒng yǔ yàobān). I do not think this is what GM-Sifu CST means by Nim Lik but it certainly makes me feel my practice is on level with Legendaries of the Silver Screen.
I trained Wing Chun back in the 90s under Jim Fung, then moved onto Derek Fung, then moved onto Susana Ho and through her had the privilege to train under Chu Shong Tin, he was an incredible man, amazing force for someone so thin (so was Susana) I moved away from Wing Chun long time ago and practice Kickboxing, now I am a full on BJJ practitioner, however, ironically the only thing I practice from Wing Chun, still to this day, is the Sil Lum Tao Form. I remember my friends at the time telling me when I felt disillusioned with Wing Chun 'Whatever art your gonna do mate, keep practicing SLT'. I did it on and off, then recently I have been 'reverse engineering' my Wing Chun while I spar and grapple, and I restarted practicing the SLT form the way Susana Ho and CST taught me and I must say I appreciate it allot more now, it is a VERY powerful form, it has healed my injuries, its meditative and clears my mind, I am very aware of what he was saying in this video as that was hammered into my head at the time I was training with him. Tan Sau, Fook Sau, Bong Sau.. all wrestling moves to me 😊
For the record I blocked with 4 biu sau in a row ,I could see what I was going to do the next was blocks amd hit ,but my blocks wher enough to deter I was so relaxed for a combat situation
@@MindfulWingChun I think kundalini energy gives the ability to facilitate involuntary movements. Ability to let felt-sense unfold unselfconsciously. We can do certain movements mechanically till cow reaches home or let movement arise when connecting with felt-sense of tension or whatever--most people do not have the patience for it and would rather imitate movements that ought to come before thought. I heard John Kaufman saying (interview with Joey Only) CST would patiently do Sim Nim Tao and find that joyful space even when initially he got hit often in fighting but he kept at it trusting that process to bear fruit at its own pace. IMO. Thank You
Not sure Tony. He never mentioned anything lile that and he always tried to keep everything very realistic and explainable so he wouldn't go down that path
Juste keep practicing and ignoring manifestations of this kind. It has a good 99,99% of chances to be a manifestation of a deep part of your psyche, revealed by relaxation.
@@jeanalcazar8415 Could be, but I think there is an unseen world all around us. To me, it looks like electricity flowing through water. Not drinking or doing drugs, just a lot of qigong.
Only if you have the footwork required in modern martial art. If you can't close the distance and if you can't avoid being kicked by Muay Thai or taken down by BJJ, nothing matters.
yes of course. this is just to cultivate the state. If things like footwork, range, timing, conditioning etc. arent practiced then its just a mental and physical health tool
@@MindfulWingChun Thank you for your reply. You might have already done some research on the history of Wing Chun. But here is an additional piece of information that you may find helpful. Wing Chun was first introduced to the Red Boat people, a group of people who performed Cantonese Opera along the Pearl River. Wing Chun was first brought to Guangdong by a guy from Hubei called Tan Sau Ng. Tan Sau was his signature and his last name was Ng. He was a fugitive who was wanted by the Manchurian government because he was involved in some triad activities trying to overthrow the Manchurian government in Hubei. Yes, triad. In the very old days, triads were not criminals, but a bunch of people organized to act against the government. Tan Sau Ng was working in a Chinese Opera, which is different from Cantonese Operas, before becoming a fugitive. Chinese Operas are more correctly called Capital Operas because they were originally performed in Beijing which was called Peking at that time. These operas were performed in a language that is a hybrid of Mandarin and Manchurian which is called 京腔, the capital singing style. Why would people from Hubei be performing in Chinese Opera? It was because Hubeinese have been known to be short but stocky. They were selected to do the fighting scenes in these operas. In case you haven't seen it, here is a link ua-cam.com/video/Kqim7q05ZdI/v-deo.html . The first Olympics gold medal in men's floor gymnastics for China was won by a guy from Hubei who was selected from a Chinese opera school in China. That guy was called the king of summersault. For these Hubei Chinese opera people, footwork is nothing. And the people of Hung Sun, the Red Boats, did not need this kind of footwork cause they were merely fighting on boats most of the time. Footwork is the most important thing in any fighting style. I hope you can invent some good footwork for Wing Chun that allows it to prevail as a real modern fighting style. My father was originally from Hubei who went to Hong Kong before the civil war and that's why I am interested in Wing Chun and its history. You have a good day.
I thought Master CST practicing a certain qi gong, this video explain his qi come from cultivating SNT, what we call Kung Fu, Gon Fu, "only serious practicioner understand this"
It's definitely controlled by the mind, so I wouldn't say it's without cognitive control, but he would say that he is not using the prefrontal cortex and thinking aboit it but rather using the top/back part of the brain according to what he felt. He was invited to go to Australia by a group of doctors to get extensive testing done on him in a lab so to find out which part of the brain was firing, whether they could find anything special in the tissues when he applied this force etc. Unfortunately this didn't happen cause when he was diagnosed with cancer he was asked not to take any longs flights
haha, if what those ppl who have never had a spar or fight in their lives call what they do Wing Chun, then what is being discussed on this channel is not Wing Chun.....
First of all how come we do not see his whole Body? What is he doing with his feet for the opening and the close? are his knees bent? is he sitting? His Hume Sau...how is he going to trap a 200 LB man without moving his arms , not just the wrist, to make a circle and trap? A mans arm is 3 inches thick. His Tan sau..the mirror hand does not come up to his eyebrow level, if he is fighting a tall man with reach, he will get punched in face. And bad Tan Sau habit will ruin his Gong Sau and Quan Sau blocks(because the top half of both of those 2 arm blocks is a Tan sau, ) Proper Wing Chun is in the details. When he gets to the Mook Jong form , his hands won't line up with the upper arms of the dummy. This is what happened to Bruce Lee, Yip Man did not trust him. So he got lazy in the details, when teaching, essentially a bad modified version. (Not Mans fault , Lee was a bully in Hong Kong) Lee was so locked in, he figured it out. It wasn't until he spent time with Dai Si Hing William Cheung, that he was taught proper Traditional Wing Chun. Lee was a ALL about the details. " Be like water, my friend!"
there are so many videos of CST doing SNT. UA-cam search 'CST SNT compilation' for visible details. William Cheung was actually taught his SNT form and basics by CST as he mentions in one of his interviews on UA-cam. As was Derek Fung and most of the people who started with Ip Man in the first half of the 50s.
@@MindfulWingChun I was taught by a Master that learned TWC Under Cheung, but also was training Golden Gloves Boxers, in NYC, and he was a 9th Dan black Belt in Goju Ryu Karate, before he met Cheung. He Added some Chi-Na, because (and so did Cheung its in a few videos) you need to deal with someone grabbing you. But as far as the SIL Lim Tao , Every movement HAD to be explained. from your toe to not bobbing your head. The whole system was based on FOOTWORK, that they don't teach anymore. That's why many think Wing Chun does not work anymore...they are just ignorant. or they were trained wrong. Most were trained wrong.
Do you really think he would start performing SNT in a fight? It amazes me how stupid some people are. That's like saying a pianist practicing scales is useless because they are not going to perform scales at a concert. Grow a brain dude.
@@ChunMaya yes it amazing how stupid you are. The Sil LIM Tao is EVERYTHING. . That's reason why its The FIRST form . Its the alphabet of the system. you say "That's like saying a pianist practicing scales is useless because they are not going to perform scales at a concert." WTF??? That's exactly what I'm saying. Good analogy you just got it backwards. If your a martial artist or a pianist you must get the fundamentals right or you will off when it counts.
@@ianweir2115 You literally said "His Hume Sau...how is he going to trap a 200 LB man without moving his arms, not just the wrist, to make a circle and trap. A mans arm is 3 inches thick. " That is a stupid thing to say because you are implying that he would move like this in a fight. I'm saying that this thinking is idiotic because you dont move like this is a fight. SNT develops a quality of internal force that does not matter about positioning. CST said many times that low level practitioners believe for example that bong sau should be done at a certain height or tan sau should be done at a certain position. These things don't matter. What matters is that you can generate force with your movement in an effortless way and overcome your opponents resistance. Every opponent has a different body so how can you think that there is only one correct way to do a huen sau? This kind of thinking is stupid....hence, my comment.
imagine if tyson, Ali and Damsey had learned sil lim tau, they didn't need heavy bag work, shadow box, jogging, and sparring with partners at all......wow, what a revelation.
@@ChunMaya chu was ridiculed as KING OF SIL LIM TAO in jest by all his contemporaries, but he took it ad a compliment , and he went down a wrong rabbit hole.
@PaMuShinbut putting a lot more hrs on actually doing., sweating not in front of the mirror doing sil lim tao. THAT WAS WHAT CHU DID ALL HIS LIFE..a legend in his own mind but unfortunately his silliness had pervasively bought unquestioningly by UA-cam subscribers worldwide. Sad
Stop using words like " power " "hidden " " forgetten " or anything else telling things are better or not...and by rhe way claiming I 've , they 've , they dont..... It doesn't make sense , well it make sense only for business , it's all about " to show , making the show" ...what are we looking to master ? More power ? That's only more ego so that's only less gong fu...Best regards
You sound like you think that developing power is evil and that the title is clickbait? Why this would upset you is ludacris and I think you need a therapist to help you sort out your mind.
Not understanding and sloppy teaching are two different things. I'm inclined to believe you failed to understand him as CSTs reputation preceeds him, where as you, well, lets not get into that...
The video thumbnail image belongs to Wing Chun United @wcupaksau. Pretty sure all of their content is copyrighted Nima, you should add them to the credits.
Hey Boris, I don't think it belongs to them as it's either his wife's or belongs to the Chu Shong Tin Alumni Lited whoch I'm a director of. No other company or organization has the rights to Chu shong Tin product apart from Susana Ho from HCH Wing Chun who has the rights to seminars conducted by CST in the late 90s in Sydney
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He was excellent. He had so much wisdom. I could listen and learn from him for hours as he makes perfect sense. Thank you for sharing.
Yeah a very special human being.
My pleasure Steven, will keep em coming... 🙏
Sigung Chu from my school’s lineage. The King of Sil Lim Tao. I heard some days he would practice the form for endless hours. His demonstrations are plentiful on YT and we are so lucky to have these records.
Yeah he did. We have a video of him talking about his early days training with Ip Man on this channel. I think it's titled something like ' CST early training days with Ip man'.
Apart from his exercises (swimming and hiking) he trained around 7 hours a day and in the beginning that consisted mostly of Siu Nim Tao.
@@MindfulWingChun Thanks for the reply. My school (IWCA, Sydney) is currently run by Tristan Fung, son of Sifu Jim, whom was a student of CST. I have not been in Sydney for many years and I miss the team there. Very humble group of instructors. Sigung also has some fantastic videos on the importance of the Tan Sau and Lap Sau. Great video here thanks very much. 👍🇦🇺
@@cloudattack3279 Cheers mate. Yeah I (Nima) also started in IWCA under Jim Fung and was running one of the branches (North Sydney) for him for a few years. This is in 2001. I moved to HK in 2005 to train under Sigung Fulltime and have been here since.
Hope you can find another school of our lineage wherever you are located now.
You can also check out www.mindfulwingchun.online 👍
All the best and happy to help ith any training questions you may have as you get back into it.
Gold video of of CST talking about high level SNT. Thanks for this gem!
Always a pleasure sharing. And glad you appreciated it Maya 🙏🙏
Excellent info of the different levels of practicing Siu Nim Tao form. I been learning from your videos and this is such a gold mine.
Glad you found this useful 🙏
For those who do not understand Cantonese, I encourage you to ignore the spoken English translation and focus on the English subtitles instead. The English subtitles precisely translate what GM CST is saying, whereas the spoken translation is inaccurate at times.
Thanks for that. I'm glad I did a good job with the subtitles 😅🙏
@@MindfulWingChun I wasn't sure if maybe you got it from the video by "Sifu Subtitles" as that one came out over a month ago,using the same footage(albeit a shorter video).
@@dharma_star Is his subtitles the same as mine?
@@MindfulWingChun It's pretty close man.Check it out : ua-cam.com/video/c0tLLn_G9ro/v-deo.html
Either way,it's great information.
Not bad for a Malaysian , I think it’s because he’s not fully understanding Cantonese
Thank you for sharing your experience with great detail & commentary....I am 80 grs old & still practicing this form ...keeps me focused on my journey in martial arts... cheers 🦘🦘😊
Good on you Robert. Inspiring to hear that you are still actively practcing the forms mate 👏🙏
What’s truly amazing is if you Watch carefully, you can see the physical changes in the movements. So cool
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this type of knowledge you wont get anywhere else
Yeah I agree 💯
Very nice! Thank you taking the time to subtitle and sharing Nima! Awesome to hear it from the man himself ☺️
Cheers Joey 👊
Love to hear the older masters speak on wing chun theory.. Awesome stuff! Keep it up!
Thanks mate, appreciate it. will definitely keep it up 🙏
This is a very important video. I think this is when a martial arts practice becomes a spiritual practice.
I agree! 🙏
I mostly cultivate chi for spiritual and health purposes but the way he does this form is massively internal and chi moves a lot. The slightly open relaxed fingers on the moves. Details like that matter. What a great master. 🙏
That's is fantastic. Cultivation for the Spirit and health! For me, as I'm getting into older age, the purpose and passion of practice is becoming more for that also 🙏🙏
He truly was an amazing master and human being.
@@MindfulWingChun The cultivation of chi at higher levels can only lead to spiritual growth and becoming a better human being. Ultimately that’s something that separates internal and external arts and relates to the potential quantum nature of our reality and connection of all things. This master had gone very far in the sea law and i think he’s connected to primordial essence why he had such power in his moves.
@@joeboo1983 💯
@@MindfulWingChun Doing this form the chi will rise up the feet through the body. What’s referred to as earth or yin Chi. After long time the chi will work it’s way through the body this can take years to a point it will pop out the crown point. After a while you then through the feet and the crown connect to the universal chi which is lot more potent. I think your Master certainly had gone this far.
@mindfulwingchun At this point the chi isnt bound by any lines it can flow everywhere and nowhere even becoming a powerful aura. Some masters overtime even developed empty force. The Li mind directing the chi he calls it nim lol?
I am grateful for this video. Please keep sharing the valuable video, this is a treasure to all martial artists
Happy to hear you appreciate these vids and I'll be sure to keep them coming as I subtitle them. 🙏
interesting discussion on involuntary Kundalini awakening, very valuable, never strain like they do in Kundalini Yoga or Sanshin breathing in Karate....
Glad you found it interesting man
Wow, great video. I was searching for something exactly like this from CST just a few weeks ago. Thanks for sharing.
Excellent. Happy to help and glad you found it. Cheers and happy training
My God that was deep and brilliant, thanks Nima, a treasure.
my pleasure. yeah this one's a gem! 🙏
Thank you for nice and important information.
I wish to see the level 3
my pleasure. And I'm heading for Level 3 too, see you there 😊
@@MindfulWingChun
Ill do my Best to be there
This video is pure gold!
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Thanks again Nima. Another priceless video and memory from one of Sigungs trips to Australia. 🙏
Cheers mate. You were at this one also I bet?
@@MindfulWingChun not sure. Sigung looks quite old in this video . Last time I saw him was at Sifu Jim’s memorial in Sydney. Long time ago .
Interesting, this clip felt like I was listening to my own teacher.
I can more clearly see how our arts share the same roots of the same tree.
Love it. So good your openly sharing
That's awesome bro. Looking forward to catching up properly one day and spending a good couple of hours sharing notes 🙏🙏
Thank you for this video. Brilliant.
Glad you enjoyed it 👌🏼
Thank you Sifu
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Would love to see him apply every move.
We actually have videos of him doing pretty much every move of every form against resistance 👍🏻 the man had remarkable power
@@MindfulWingChun have it on your page?
@Kcseales yeah there are a few on the page. The rest are all on our online school. www.mindfulwingchun.online
Very nice and informative video with English sub titles.
glad you enjoyed it Suresh 👍
WOW could have done with this one a few years ago, I've been doing first form every day for three last three years , after about six months I had a complete black out of vision for a second, twice on separate occasion's, ive also had flashes of colour a few times as well, i thought this must be a good thing ,as something is at least happening . Be careful out there and thanks for the great content .
Gald it helped man and better late than never. St least you know now and all is well with you.
Yeah need to be careful with these kinds of practices as we are working directly with the mind. Basically not trying too hard and enduring that your breathing is always natural and calm will ensure your practice remains safe and enjoyable.
All the best Nicholas.
Thank you nice to hear these stages or levels of practicing
Pleasure as always Michael 🙏
Thank you Sifu Nima King to share this video. As we say: smalls details make big differences. 🙏👊
my pleasure Fred. Glad you enjoyed it man 🙏
@@MindfulWingChun I follow your Channel from years now and it helps me to improve my understanding and level on Ving Tsun. 😉
@@freddap5518 Very happy to hear that. I'll keep the videos coming 🙏
@@MindfulWingChun you can wacth on my channel "Ving Tsun Harmonie - VTMTL - FRANCE " how we work to pressure test evry technique and tell me if you feel is right use of nim tao / nim lik or not. best regards ;)
this knowledge is gold, tks a lot for share.
Its my pleasure to share, especially with ppl that appreciat it and put it to good use 🙏
Awesome Sauce! Profound
glad you liked it mate
Brilliant video, many thanks.🙏
Happy you found it interesting 🙏
@@MindfulWingChun I've been practicing Wing Chun for ten years now so looking to go deeper, the video is both helpful and fascinating.
This was just incredible. Thank you for this priceless teaching. The only problem is now I am really confused, I just got to a stage of learning or understanding the important value of not being on autopilot and mindless, that one needs to be mindful and move the body first using intention directed by the mind to move the body. All my recent internal teachings, from teachers of Xingyiquan, Taiji, and I could swear, (correct me if I’m wrong) also by videos made by you, Sifu Nima, have said this. I understand that One should lead with intention and mindfulness, but what GM Chu says in this video seems to completely contradict that practice and method and instead work to achieve automation as opposed to focused attention.
This is a fantastic video. Although our grand master was considered the “king” of this form , Nima has a fantastic understanding after spending many years training with CST in Hong Kong . Don’t allow yourself to be discouraged by any confusion. It’s part of the learning process. We may never reach the same level as he did but don’t let that stop you from this journey. Only those who believe they have mastered this can demonstrate their ignorance and lack of understanding
So there are different levels of the practice. To get to highest level (Nim Lik) it means you have done SNT correctly and mindfully so many times that there is a holistic intention for every movement. For example, at first the level of mindfulness in a Tan sau is the practitioner feeling the spine, and perhaps feeling relaxation of the shoulder joint, and then controlling the joint to move the elbow while ensuring the wrist is traveling in a straight line etc.
At the highest level, the arm doesn't feel separate to the body, the whole process is one of a holistic one, almost as if there is no arm. CST used that phrase a lot in his final years of teaching "forget your arms and legs" which is so contradictory to everything he taught us prior to that like releasing the muscles, feeling and controlling the joints etc.
Simply stated the level of the 'mindful' state becomes holistic and all encompassing instead of micro Managing every movement. there for each movement simply happens with the lightest (and whole body encompassing) intention.
As Rob said try not to get frustrated or discouraged when feeling confused. Just go back to the drawing board and keep things very simple. These levels are truly understood once experienced. 👍
You're on the online school right? if so just try and stick to the sequence of ideas to work on the way presented on the program, that way you are sure to build the right foundations and not rush into a level that you're not ready for which would be detrimental to your progress.
@@MindfulWingChun Thank you Sifu Nima, I feel much better as I now have a clearer perspective on the roadmap of progression. Thank you for taking the time to explain it. Yes, I am a student of the online school, and train daily, but I had to temporarily put a hold on my membership due to finances. I expect to renew my membership in the next few weeks so I can continue on this incredible path.
Learn about the concept of wu wei in taoism. That explains the doing without straining yourself.
What the Master is speaking about here is not mindfulness or intention as these are active states of consciousness. He is directing you towards something else completely which moves on its own without intention or consciousness. This is why he says, phase 1 learn the precise movement, phase 2 let your body move itself into each position and phase 3, let the Body's Life-Force (Chi) direct and move the Body into position without any conscious control or intention. Listen carefully to what he says, "something inside me inflates my arm." This is why Wing Tsun is so hard to teach because there are no words adequate enough in any language to accurately describe this. And this is also why you have to train with a Master because when he touches you, your Body, subconsciously will access this pathway, and it will feel very strange to you when it first happens. When the pathway opens inside you the Master will both sense and feel it when he looks and touches you. And he will probably say, "there it is" and you will probably break away from the unconscious pathway back into consciousness by trying to think, analyze and understand what it was that the Master sensed and felt awakening inside of you. And so the door will close to you and you will have to start all over again. The key is not to be mindful or set an intention. Just be respectful, patient, natural with No form of conscious mind which will interfere....and when you are not looking for it, suddenly it will appear. Read the book, Sword of No Sword by Yamaoka Tesshu, Poet, Calligrapher, sword-master and Zen Master, considered Japans greatest swordsman....
Awesome video, great explanations.
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This is golden. What is the full video ?
this is the best part of it. The rest of the sinar was him teaching the students very basic things
@@MindfulWingChun cool thanks man
Incredible gem here!
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Perfection
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This brings back a ton of memories, for me. that background pic tho? Rat & Crane? I studied "Snake & Crane" lol
The verbal story told to his students by Ip Man was that as the legend went NG Mui witnessed a fight between a Crane and a rodent and saw how the crane was using its wings to effortlessly redirect the incoming force and simultaneously attack with its leg and that's how she was inspired to come up with Wing Chun.
@@MindfulWingChun I remember repeating that story as part of my first belt. but how & when & why did it switch from rat to snake? maybe "snake" sounded more ferocious?
When I execute Siu Lim Tau I look straight ahead into tall mirror. I can observe all my movements. The subconscious mind is making necessary adjustments while I am thinking how cool I look. This is method I learned Sil Lim Tao from SIfu 'with tradition & flare' (chuántǒng yǔ yàobān). I do not think this is what GM-Sifu CST means by Nim Lik but it certainly makes me feel my practice is on level with Legendaries of the Silver Screen.
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Thanks for sharing
My pleasure. will keep them coming 👍
If you can develop the feel for it it will work for you.
Yes, it's all about the experiential understanding
amazing
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I trained Wing Chun back in the 90s under Jim Fung, then moved onto Derek Fung, then moved onto Susana Ho and through her had the privilege to train under Chu Shong Tin, he was an incredible man, amazing force for someone so thin (so was Susana)
I moved away from Wing Chun long time ago and practice Kickboxing, now I am a full on BJJ practitioner, however, ironically the only thing I practice from Wing Chun, still to this day, is the Sil Lum Tao Form. I remember my friends at the time telling me when I felt disillusioned with Wing Chun 'Whatever art your gonna do mate, keep practicing SLT'.
I did it on and off, then recently I have been 'reverse engineering' my Wing Chun while I spar and grapple, and I restarted practicing the SLT form the way Susana Ho and CST taught me and I must say I appreciate it allot more now, it is a VERY powerful form, it has healed my injuries, its meditative and clears my mind, I am very aware of what he was saying in this video as that was hammered into my head at the time I was training with him. Tan Sau, Fook Sau, Bong Sau.. all wrestling moves to me 😊
nice one mate, thanks for sharing that.
And yeah I find my Wing Chun very useful in bjj and grappling also
@@MindfulWingChun no prob, yeah ever since I heard this theory, most Kung Fu was actually grappling, it turned my whole demeanour on WC.
For the record I blocked with 4 biu sau in a row ,I could see what I was going to do the next was blocks amd hit ,but my blocks wher enough to deter I was so relaxed for a combat situation
Sorry I don't quite understand the relation of your comment to this video. Did you have a question I could try and help with?
seeing flashes of colors is something people who experienced kundalini awakening use to say.
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@@MindfulWingChun I think kundalini energy gives the ability to facilitate involuntary movements. Ability to let felt-sense unfold unselfconsciously. We can do certain movements mechanically till cow reaches home or let movement arise when connecting with felt-sense of tension or whatever--most people do not have the patience for it and would rather imitate movements that ought to come before thought. I heard John Kaufman saying (interview with Joey Only) CST would patiently do Sim Nim Tao and find that joyful space even when initially he got hit often in fighting but he kept at it trusting that process to bear fruit at its own pace. IMO.
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"I think I saw something, or felt it" 😂😂😂
wow new video!
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Sifu question...what is the real name of the first form? Siu Nim Tao or Sil Lim Tao? i'm confused :)
It can be spelt both ways. There's no actual English letter that represents the sound so both L and N can be used
@@MindfulWingChun thank you Sifu
Molto ma molto diversa da quella insegnata da Leung Ting...che preferisco di molto.....fook sao , tan sao, bong sao, sono fatti diversamente.
sorry could you pls repeat in English so I can reply. tnx
What about seeing spiritual entities? Is that a bad sign too?
Not sure Tony. He never mentioned anything lile that and he always tried to keep everything very realistic and explainable so he wouldn't go down that path
stay of the "DMT" lol
Juste keep practicing and ignoring manifestations of this kind.
It has a good 99,99% of chances to be a manifestation of a deep part of your psyche, revealed by relaxation.
@@jeanalcazar8415 Could be, but I think there is an unseen world all around us. To me, it looks like electricity flowing through water. Not drinking or doing drugs, just a lot of qigong.
You mean hallucinations? Probably trying too hard if you are hallucinating...
Only if you have the footwork required in modern martial art. If you can't close the distance and if you can't avoid being kicked by Muay Thai or taken down by BJJ, nothing matters.
yes of course. this is just to cultivate the state. If things like footwork, range, timing, conditioning etc. arent practiced then its just a mental and physical health tool
@@MindfulWingChun Thank you for your reply. You might have already done some research on the history of Wing Chun. But here is an additional piece of information that you may find helpful. Wing Chun was first introduced to the Red Boat people, a group of people who performed Cantonese Opera along the Pearl River. Wing Chun was first brought to Guangdong by a guy from Hubei called Tan Sau Ng. Tan Sau was his signature and his last name was Ng. He was a fugitive who was wanted by the Manchurian government because he was involved in some triad activities trying to overthrow the Manchurian government in Hubei. Yes, triad. In the very old days, triads were not criminals, but a bunch of people organized to act against the government. Tan Sau Ng was working in a Chinese Opera, which is different from Cantonese Operas, before becoming a fugitive. Chinese Operas are more correctly called Capital Operas because they were originally performed in Beijing which was called Peking at that time. These operas were performed in a language that is a hybrid of Mandarin and Manchurian which is called 京腔, the capital singing style. Why would people from Hubei be performing in Chinese Opera? It was because Hubeinese have been known to be short but stocky. They were selected to do the fighting scenes in these operas. In case you haven't seen it, here is a link ua-cam.com/video/Kqim7q05ZdI/v-deo.html . The first Olympics gold medal in men's floor gymnastics for China was won by a guy from Hubei who was selected from a Chinese opera school in China. That guy was called the king of summersault. For these Hubei Chinese opera people, footwork is nothing. And the people of Hung Sun, the Red Boats, did not need this kind of footwork cause they were merely fighting on boats most of the time. Footwork is the most important thing in any fighting style. I hope you can invent some good footwork for Wing Chun that allows it to prevail as a real modern fighting style. My father was originally from Hubei who went to Hong Kong before the civil war and that's why I am interested in Wing Chun and its history. You have a good day.
@@trumplostlol3007 Wow, thanks so much for taking the time for sharing this man. Appreciated!!🙏
My wife was also born in Hubei btw 😊
I thought Master CST practicing a certain qi gong, this video explain his qi come from cultivating SNT, what we call Kung Fu, Gon Fu, "only serious practicioner understand this"
Yes his skill was solely from the practice of Wing Chun, nothing else 😊
consequently the move hisself is not the thing.
Its the kind of letting happen movements from your body without cognitive control!
It's definitely controlled by the mind, so I wouldn't say it's without cognitive control, but he would say that he is not using the prefrontal cortex and thinking aboit it but rather using the top/back part of the brain according to what he felt.
He was invited to go to Australia by a group of doctors to get extensive testing done on him in a lab so to find out which part of the brain was firing, whether they could find anything special in the tissues when he applied this force etc. Unfortunately this didn't happen cause when he was diagnosed with cancer he was asked not to take any longs flights
Zhi Dian Jia Cheng te nenng ghji Dian Ma ih Hai Tai Chie
Jia Dian Mo bahnzai bahnzai
Jia Dian Mo bahnzai bahnzai
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Wait a minute hasn't wing Chun been thoroughly discredited as a functional martial art what is this good for??
haha, if what those ppl who have never had a spar or fight in their lives call what they do Wing Chun, then what is being discussed on this channel is not Wing Chun.....
discredited by who? Put the pipe down love and visit a CST practitioner today.
I’m calling bull shit ,on this no power
call whatever make you feel good, but that doesn't change the fact... Easy fie you to come and try it for yourself and find out...
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First of all how come we do not see his whole Body? What is he doing with his feet for the opening and the close? are his knees bent? is he sitting? His Hume Sau...how is he going to trap a 200 LB man without moving his arms , not just the wrist, to make a circle and trap? A mans arm is 3 inches thick.
His Tan sau..the mirror hand does not come up to his eyebrow level, if he is fighting a tall man with reach, he will get punched in face.
And bad Tan Sau habit will ruin his Gong Sau and Quan Sau blocks(because the top half of both of those 2 arm blocks is a Tan sau, )
Proper Wing Chun is in the details. When he gets to the Mook Jong form , his hands won't line up with the upper arms of the dummy.
This is what happened to Bruce Lee, Yip Man did not trust him. So he got lazy in the details, when teaching, essentially a bad modified version. (Not Mans fault , Lee was a bully in Hong Kong)
Lee was so locked in, he figured it out.
It wasn't until he spent time with Dai Si Hing William Cheung, that he was taught proper Traditional Wing Chun. Lee was a ALL about the details. "
Be like water, my friend!"
there are so many videos of CST doing SNT. UA-cam search 'CST SNT compilation' for visible details.
William Cheung was actually taught his SNT form and basics by CST as he mentions in one of his interviews on UA-cam. As was Derek Fung and most of the people who started with Ip Man in the first half of the 50s.
@@MindfulWingChun I was taught by a Master that learned TWC Under Cheung, but also was training Golden Gloves Boxers, in NYC, and he was a 9th Dan black Belt in Goju Ryu Karate, before he met Cheung. He Added some Chi-Na, because (and so did Cheung its in a few videos) you need to deal with someone grabbing you.
But as far as the SIL Lim Tao , Every movement HAD to be explained. from your toe to not bobbing your head. The whole system was based on FOOTWORK, that they don't teach anymore. That's why many think Wing Chun does not work anymore...they are just ignorant. or they were trained wrong. Most were trained wrong.
Do you really think he would start performing SNT in a fight? It amazes me how stupid some people are. That's like saying a pianist practicing scales is useless because they are not going to perform scales at a concert. Grow a brain dude.
@@ChunMaya yes it amazing how stupid you are. The Sil LIM Tao is EVERYTHING. . That's reason why its The FIRST form . Its the alphabet of the system.
you say "That's like saying a pianist practicing scales is useless because they are not going to perform scales at a concert." WTF??? That's exactly what I'm saying. Good analogy you just got it backwards. If your a martial artist or a pianist you must get the fundamentals right or you will off when it counts.
@@ianweir2115 You literally said "His Hume Sau...how is he going to trap a 200 LB man without moving his arms, not just the wrist, to make a circle and trap. A mans arm is 3 inches thick. "
That is a stupid thing to say because you are implying that he would move like this in a fight. I'm saying that this thinking is idiotic because you dont move like this is a fight. SNT develops a quality of internal force that does not matter about positioning. CST said many times that low level practitioners believe for example that bong sau should be done at a certain height or tan sau should be done at a certain position. These things don't matter. What matters is that you can generate force with your movement in an effortless way and overcome your opponents resistance.
Every opponent has a different body so how can you think that there is only one correct way to do a huen sau? This kind of thinking is stupid....hence, my comment.
imagine if tyson, Ali and Damsey had learned sil lim tau, they didn't need heavy bag work, shadow box, jogging, and sparring with partners at all......wow, what a revelation.
I don't think you have much knowledge combat to make such a comment...
imagine if you actually had a brain...
ua-cam.com/video/l60MnDJklnM/v-deo.html
@@ChunMaya chu was ridiculed as KING OF SIL LIM TAO in jest by all his contemporaries, but he took it ad a compliment , and he went down a wrong rabbit hole.
@@少川靖男 you know, the more you talk the more retarded you sound. How about you put up some videos of you if you are such a know it all.
@PaMuShinbut putting a lot more hrs on actually doing., sweating not in front of the mirror doing sil lim tao. THAT WAS WHAT CHU DID ALL HIS LIFE..a legend in his own mind but unfortunately his silliness had pervasively bought unquestioningly by UA-cam subscribers worldwide. Sad
Stop using words like " power " "hidden " " forgetten " or anything else telling things are better or not...and by rhe way claiming I 've , they 've , they dont..... It doesn't make sense , well it make sense only for business , it's all about " to show , making the show" ...what are we looking to master ? More power ? That's only more ego so that's only less gong fu...Best regards
not sure what you mean?!
You sound like you think that developing power is evil and that the title is clickbait? Why this would upset you is ludacris and I think you need a therapist to help you sort out your mind.
So hes basically describing muscle memory. Wow. What a revelation. No need for all that qi gong garbage in the explanation.
lol, don't think you understood the video mate...
This video is above your pay grade buddy
I think, his techniqs are sloppy. I do not need to go into details.
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Not understanding and sloppy teaching are two different things. I'm inclined to believe you failed to understand him as CSTs reputation preceeds him, where as you, well, lets not get into that...
totally out to lunch. He spend his whole life on this track of mind. No wonder he got nowhere in wc.
lol. hahahaha
The video thumbnail image belongs to Wing Chun United @wcupaksau. Pretty sure all of their content is copyrighted Nima, you should add them to the credits.
Hey Boris, I don't think it belongs to them as it's either his wife's or belongs to the Chu Shong Tin Alumni Lited whoch I'm a director of. No other company or organization has the rights to Chu shong Tin product apart from Susana Ho from HCH Wing Chun who has the rights to seminars conducted by CST in the late 90s in Sydney