Came across your channel and, as an ex-Plastic Surgery candidate, it's comforting to see you thriving and doing what you love! I just graduated med school after not matching this past cycle. I ultimately decided not to pursue residency, and it was by far the most difficult decision I've made, partially because the path to medicine is pre-planned. Also an incredibly isolating experience, since the schools/system give no support to those who decide to leave (and the virtue signaling is so real) It's hard to explain the feeling to anyone who hasn't worked in medicine, I don't think any doctor quits without having a real tough conversation with themselves!
not to be hating or anything but would any of the doctors leaving medicine think of leaving if they didn't have all these youtube channels and businesses around medical school? I'm just saying having these side hustles in the first place made the choice much easier.
100% and I’ve always maintained that. I think it’s suboptimal from a cost-benefit analysis (in most instances) to quit without something else planned. Whether your own business, another career, etc
I left medicine due to mental illness/burnout. Very few physicians go public about leaving due to factors beyond their control. I liked being a traditional rural family practitioner. Nothing in my life has been as challenging and rewarding.
Hi, what do you do now if you don’t mind me asking? I’m a junior doctor and never been so depressed and miserable in my life other than the physical symptoms that I deal with everyday but I feel stuck and like my only option is to be miserable forever since I chose this career so I would love to know if there is other available options for me
I agree completely with your "risk-averse" comments. Medicine is a well-worn path and it often feels sac-religious to even discuss leaving. But sometimes, the risk of staying, especially if you're unhappy, far outweighs the risk of leaving. Also agree you must have a plan. Escape is not a plan!
The people who matter do not mind and the people who mind do not matter! WOW that’s my new favorite quote can I steal it? I honestly love watching your videos even though I haven’t thought about leaving medicine but I just like hearing your thoughts and analysis on medical path overall. I think you’re doing great and providing a very unique and smart perspectives for our everyday problems in med school. Thanks, Kevin!
I love being able to sleep longer hours … though 2 things I’ve noticed 1) there is a little guilt (compared to when I was on rotations). 2) my body has adjusted to it … I used to sleep 2hrs a day or 4-6 at best … I couldn’t do that again haha
Yes i also decided to quit medicine after finishing my internship this December. There is a ton of opportunities that do not make me feel like a non-playbale character.
@@averagestudent4358 Determining what suits you personally, whether it's a medical-adjacent field or something entirely distinct, involves understanding what resonates with you and what doesn't. It doesn’t have to be very clear now. And I can’t know what other alternatives suits you because we are different.. I wish that you find personal peace for the choices you make. 🤍
God your last point hits me to the core lol I'm planning to make a UA-cam channel sharing my story about leaving medicine and I'm already bracing myself for the future hate comments. I'll think of it has more activity for my channel hahah
Hi Kevin I know you created Med-School Insiders to help people get into and succeed in medical school but, do you have anything teaching how to navigate and succeed on the business side of medicine? I'm discovering more and more that lack of knowledge on this is hurting many graduating med students who like me just assumed doctors automatically made lots of money. How do you start a practice? How do you hire and pay staff while budgeting supply cost? How do you pay staff until you get your first payment owed? How do you approach hospitals to refer you patients if they have their own in house surgeons? How do you grow your new practice while simultaneously paying yourself and, paying back your hundreds of thousands of dollars in student loans?... The questions are endless yet, we aren't taught this in med school.
Great point. I'm not in a position to help people with private practices, but I am considering creating resources to help medical professionals who are interested in entrepreneurial pursuits outside a clinical practice.
Hey Kevin, I have a question for you. The following is an assumption of course, feel free to correct me if i'm wrong. i'm assuming part of the reason you left residency when you did was because the business opportunities you had at the time might have not been available later, if you stuck through residency. If you were sure you'd be able to take on your entrepreneurial pursuits years down the line as xx an attending (around now), would you have done it? Or was it always an "either or" situation?
I recently quit after 11 years. I was able to pay off all my loans and managed to save alot of money. Im spending my time with my family and restablishing a normal schedule. I started two businesses. One is for medical work that I will continue to do in an as needed basis and the other is an investment company. Im going to start a youtube channel to educate other doctors how to retire early. To me retirement is not the ability to stop working but it’s the ability to do whatever you want with your time. It’s freedom. Cheers everybody.
Cheers !! Social norms dictate that we stick to one career throughtout one's established career and climb it's specific career ladder. Kudos to your guts and moving beyond that and achieving what you envisioned.
I don't judge people on what job they do. I gravitate to people on how kind they are. There could be a Doctor and a Bin Man in the same room and the Doctor may be incredibly rude and the Bin Man could be so kind and go out of his way to do something for me so i don't mind what job someone does, as long as we get on from the word "Go" that is my barometer for people.
For the longest time medical school were not practicing what they preach doctors should tell their patients to their own students n now due to social media, they cannot hide it n keep it within their enclave no more.
Hey Kevin, I have a question for you. The following is an assumption of course, feel free to correct me if i'm wrong. i'm assuming part of the reason you left residency when you did was because the business opportunities you had at the time might have not been available later, if you stuck through residency. If you were sure you'd be able on your entrepreneurial pursuits years down the line as an attending (around now), would you have done it? Or was it always an "either or" situation?
I am confident I would have been able to pursue some entrepreneurial projects (whether the same or different) after completing residency. If I stuck with it I would graduate this June, and likely done a 1 year fellowship. The opportunity cost is tremendous and many people don’t understand this. I’m extremely fortunate to have made the decision I did, and each year that passes I feel luckier and luckier
Is it really that bad managing your health as a doctor? I mean I understand how crushing the residency is, but do i have to let go of my health (physical and mental) as a medical resident? Is it a necessary Sacrifice?
Most things in life are doable if you love it. Life is hard any path you take, medicine is just another path. It's worth it if you want it :) (It's possible to maintain a reasonable work-life balance depending on which field you choose, but there are periods where you just have to dip into sleep deprivation, no way around it. Again, worth it if you love it!
Yes it is, I developed multiple health issues physical and mental but I don’t even have the time sometimes to go check up so now I’m getting worse day by day because apparently your health doesn’t matter
I'm in med school, in my 3rd year😂😂, planning to go into med tech, entrepreneurship. I've been coding and programming since first year😂, turns out I won't do residency (our program is mbchb- 6 years med school?)
Im glad i didnt leave medicine. Finally as a practitioner i have so much more free time and and choose my free time as i run my own clinic. I earn mega bucks as well so its a win win
General practitioner . Here In south africa there is a big shift to primary care. So no shortage of cash and insurance patients. I have a locum working for Me so basically call my hours
Kevin, I like your views most of the time but I am not 100% with you here @11:28. Opting to drop out from Med-School is not illegal but definitely unethical unless someone faces personal medical reasons. - First up, if you happen to graduate from public school, government invests so much money and time in each future doctor. - Even if you pay lot of personal money to attend a private school, just remember that so many highly skilled doctors spare their time in training the future doctors. It is not like buying a million dollar car and trash it because you can afford to. - There is so much vetting process during med school admissions. One has to clearly express why they really want to be doctor while writing essays for secondaries and even during interview. Can't help it if those answers were made up just to get admission.
Keep in mind I’m speaking about the US system although I’m not sure how different the argument would be elsewhere. The key point is that there are many more medical school grads than residency seats. By leaving residency another grad fills your spot and there are no fewer physicians. The next question is can someone still leverage their MD to provide value to society if they attend medical school and don’t practice clinically. To which I would argue absolutely
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Came across your channel and, as an ex-Plastic Surgery candidate, it's comforting to see you thriving and doing what you love!
I just graduated med school after not matching this past cycle. I ultimately decided not to pursue residency, and it was by far the most difficult decision I've made, partially because the path to medicine is pre-planned. Also an incredibly isolating experience, since the schools/system give no support to those who decide to leave (and the virtue signaling is so real)
It's hard to explain the feeling to anyone who hasn't worked in medicine, I don't think any doctor quits without having a real tough conversation with themselves!
not to be hating or anything but would any of the doctors leaving medicine think of leaving if they didn't have all these youtube channels and businesses around medical school? I'm just saying having these side hustles in the first place made the choice much easier.
But I don’t know if anyone would ever feel comfortable leaving any job without having a backup
100% and I’ve always maintained that. I think it’s suboptimal from a cost-benefit analysis (in most instances) to quit without something else planned. Whether your own business, another career, etc
Duh, who’s going to leave a career without a backup plan
Less options means less freedom, unless you're brave to take a leap of faith and see what happens to you without any money plan
That’s the entire key message of this video Kevin has done.
I left medicine due to mental illness/burnout. Very few physicians go public about leaving due to factors beyond their control. I liked being a traditional rural family practitioner. Nothing in my life has been as challenging and rewarding.
Hi, what do you do now if you don’t mind me asking? I’m a junior doctor and never been so depressed and miserable in my life other than the physical symptoms that I deal with everyday but I feel stuck and like my only option is to be miserable forever since I chose this career so I would love to know if there is other available options for me
@@noraaa8479I’m currently in the exact same boat as you, maybe we can talk about it together?
I'm so glad you found a way to the live an affluent life without being committed to anyone but yourself.
I agree completely with your "risk-averse" comments. Medicine is a well-worn path and it often feels sac-religious to even discuss leaving. But sometimes, the risk of staying, especially if you're unhappy, far outweighs the risk of leaving. Also agree you must have a plan. Escape is not a plan!
Not related but your name sounds like an action hero name!
The people who matter do not mind and the people who mind do not matter! WOW that’s my new favorite quote can I steal it? I honestly love watching your videos even though I haven’t thought about leaving medicine but I just like hearing your thoughts and analysis on medical path overall. I think you’re doing great and providing a very unique and smart perspectives for our everyday problems in med school. Thanks, Kevin!
I love being able to sleep longer hours … though 2 things I’ve noticed 1) there is a little guilt (compared to when I was on rotations). 2) my body has adjusted to it … I used to sleep 2hrs a day or 4-6 at best … I couldn’t do that again haha
Same!! I'm now used to sleeping 6-7 hours and I can't imagine sleeping less anymore lol
So what alternative profession or job are you guys into.
PS: I'm a doctor myself.
What are you doing now? I’m suffering mentally and physically literally because of the chronic stress and lack of sleep
Yes i also decided to quit medicine after finishing my internship this December.
There is a ton of opportunities that do not make me feel like a non-playbale character.
Can you suggest alternatives
@@averagestudent4358 Determining what suits you personally, whether it's a medical-adjacent field or something entirely distinct, involves understanding what resonates with you and what doesn't.
It doesn’t have to be very clear now. And I can’t know what other alternatives suits you because we are different..
I wish that you find personal peace for the choices you make. 🤍
Can you tell us the opportunities? I’m in my internship year and I absolutely hate it
God your last point hits me to the core lol I'm planning to make a UA-cam channel sharing my story about leaving medicine and I'm already bracing myself for the future hate comments. I'll think of it has more activity for my channel hahah
What are you doing now that you've quit medicine?
Hi from Colombia 🇨🇴, i'm a first semester med student, your videos are very inspiring thx!
“The people that matter, they don’t mind. The people that mind, they don’t matter.” - Dr. Kevin Jubbal M.D. 💯 7:39
I heard the quote somewhere, not my original work
the author Dr Seuss?
Hi Kevin I know you created Med-School Insiders to help people get into and succeed in medical school but, do you have anything teaching how to navigate and succeed on the business side of medicine? I'm discovering more and more that lack of knowledge on this is hurting many graduating med students who like me just assumed doctors automatically made lots of money.
How do you start a practice? How do you hire and pay staff while budgeting supply cost? How do you pay staff until you get your first payment owed? How do you approach hospitals to refer you patients if they have their own in house surgeons? How do you grow your new practice while simultaneously paying yourself and, paying back your hundreds of thousands of dollars in student loans?... The questions are endless yet, we aren't taught this in med school.
Great point. I'm not in a position to help people with private practices, but I am considering creating resources to help medical professionals who are interested in entrepreneurial pursuits outside a clinical practice.
Hey Kevin, I have a question for you. The following is an assumption of course, feel free to correct me if i'm wrong. i'm assuming part of the reason you left residency when you did was because the business opportunities you had at the time might have not been available later, if you stuck through residency. If you were sure you'd be able to take on your entrepreneurial pursuits years down the line as xx an attending (around now), would you have done it? Or was it always an "either or" situation?
I recently quit after 11 years. I was able to pay off all my loans and managed to save alot of money. Im spending my time with my family and restablishing a normal schedule. I started two businesses. One is for medical work that I will continue to do in an as needed basis and the other is an investment company. Im going to start a youtube channel to educate other doctors how to retire early. To me retirement is not the ability to stop working but it’s the ability to do whatever you want with your time. It’s freedom. Cheers everybody.
Cheers !! Social norms dictate that we stick to one career throughtout one's established career and climb it's specific career ladder. Kudos to your guts and moving beyond that and achieving what you envisioned.
I don't judge people on what job they do. I gravitate to people on how kind they are. There could be a Doctor and a Bin Man in the same room and the Doctor may be incredibly rude and the Bin Man could be so kind and go out of his way to do something for me so i don't mind what job someone does, as long as we get on from the word "Go" that is my barometer for people.
I didnt expect to see Santiago on the thumbnail lol, he Is my mvp
For the longest time medical school were not practicing what they preach doctors should tell their patients to their own students n now due to social media, they cannot hide it n keep it within their enclave no more.
As a practicing orthopedic surgeon, residency is brutal but the reward is much better!
It’s funny to see people quitting medecine for so many reasons while I don’t want to quit the field but I have to because I have to flee my country.
Hey Kevin, I have a question for you. The following is an assumption of course, feel free to correct me if i'm wrong. i'm assuming part of the reason you left residency when you did was because the business opportunities you had at the time might have not been available later, if you stuck through residency. If you were sure you'd be able on your entrepreneurial pursuits years down the line as an attending (around now), would you have done it? Or was it always an "either or" situation?
I am confident I would have been able to pursue some entrepreneurial projects (whether the same or different) after completing residency. If I stuck with it I would graduate this June, and likely done a 1 year fellowship. The opportunity cost is tremendous and many people don’t understand this. I’m extremely fortunate to have made the decision I did, and each year that passes I feel luckier and luckier
Is it really that bad managing your health as a doctor?
I mean I understand how crushing the residency is, but do i have to let go of my health (physical and mental) as a medical resident?
Is it a necessary Sacrifice?
It’s very difficult
Most things in life are doable if you love it. Life is hard any path you take, medicine is just another path. It's worth it if you want it :) (It's possible to maintain a reasonable work-life balance depending on which field you choose, but there are periods where you just have to dip into sleep deprivation, no way around it. Again, worth it if you love it!
Yes it is, I developed multiple health issues physical and mental but I don’t even have the time sometimes to go check up so now I’m getting worse day by day because apparently your health doesn’t matter
@@noraaa8479what are you doing now ?
I'm in med school, in my 3rd year😂😂, planning to go into med tech, entrepreneurship. I've been coding and programming since first year😂, turns out I won't do residency (our program is mbchb- 6 years med school?)
Im glad i didnt leave medicine. Finally as a practitioner i have so much more free time and and choose my free time as i run my own clinic. I earn mega bucks as well so its a win win
Which specialty?
General practitioner . Here In south africa there is a big shift to primary care. So no shortage of cash and insurance patients. I have a locum working for Me so basically call my hours
Don't you regret leaving? You'd almost be done with residency by now and have the rest of your life as a plastic surgeon
no regrets. i'd have graduated in june 2023
You should have got a Peloton lol 😅😊
If a woman just dates you because you are a Doctor, you may expand your horizon and look further - for a different type unless you like shallowness.
Stated vs observed preferences
What about the debt you've now accumulated?!!
Maybe they already paid it off ?
pretty sure he got a full ride for med
I paid off my debt. Most of it was from college. Barely had anything from medical school due to merit based scholarship
@@kevinjubbalmd nice! Makes it a bit tougher to quit med school if you're a few years or more in with the massive debt most accumulate.
Kevin, I like your views most of the time but I am not 100% with you here @11:28. Opting to drop out from Med-School is not illegal but definitely unethical unless someone faces personal medical reasons.
- First up, if you happen to graduate from public school, government invests so much money and time in each future doctor.
- Even if you pay lot of personal money to attend a private school, just remember that so many highly skilled doctors spare their time in training the future doctors. It is not like buying a million dollar car and trash it because you can afford to.
- There is so much vetting process during med school admissions. One has to clearly express why they really want to be doctor while writing essays for secondaries and even during interview. Can't help it if those answers were made up just to get admission.
Keep in mind I’m speaking about the US system although I’m not sure how different the argument would be elsewhere.
The key point is that there are many more medical school grads than residency seats. By leaving residency another grad fills your spot and there are no fewer physicians.
The next question is can someone still leverage their MD to provide value to society if they attend medical school and don’t practice clinically. To which I would argue absolutely