Echo can only be gifted after talking to her in my experience. It plays on her repeating the last words she heard, and the gift dialogue would break that immersion if you could gift then talk.
That makes so much sense! Her trinket was my very last one, since I just couldn’t figure it out. I thought it might have had something to do with progressing her story, so I just kept plodding away. I happened on it by accident when I was sprinting around getting resources.
@@Annokh Yeah I wonder if he would have lost had he died in that short period. I'm fearing he would have which is something they should fix if that's the case.
Not having Exteme Measures yet probably bloats the difficulty for 32 fear right now. That's around 6 fear that can be freed up or 10 if you go EM4. Plus there are a lot of other pacts that aren't in the oaths yet
@@AutumnRa1n I think it's almost guaranteed we'll get it at some point so I'm optimistic. My biggest wish is we get more bangers from Scylla and the Sirens when you do EM with them.
@@AutumnRa1n EM wasn't added until either the last patch before EA or the previous one. Either way it was one of the last things added to the game when the entire game was done main content wise and they were just adding more side stuff like secret charon boss/last hidden aspects etc
I got my first win today with a Zeus Omega cast build. Picked up arachne's bonus cast damage dress in the Crossroads and managed to keep it all the way through the Chronos fight, winning with great fashion. Second win I managed to get was with Hephaestus staff, got his attack CD down to 4 (tbh, should've left it at 5/6 seconds) and then his boon that afflicts foes that take his blast damage with vent. It wasn't that great, but it was enough to get through.
@Haelian I'm sure you've thought about it, but JIC: you can cheese the triple damage in biome 2 and 3 by getting dinged with steam/thorns with the traps in the room. I did a 30 run today and that saved it before I got Hephy armour.
In the fields I realised the smaller rewards you can basically just run past the units defending it and pick up the power up and bounce 😂 Also i hate when Nem is in the room where Echo is. Shes so annoying
I think its really difficult to make the tight deadline in this game. Especially Ephyra. They should change it to add 1 min to all fear timers (i'd prefer 2 min added) and make it so when you use the bats in Ephyra it doesn't count down the timer.
I struggle so hard with the Desperation deadlines in this game. If I have any Fear that slows the game down (like the extra health or mobs) then even the basic 9mins desperation is a no-go from me. I ended up doing my first 32-fear run with no Desperation at all, just carefully picking my way through with the damage, limited healing, no magic, 20% move speed, and the onions (which actually syncs quite nicely with the boon choice Vows)
I actually really like Poseidons Magic Regen especially when using a Dagger Special build. Each knife hit can trigger it so you end up with a ton of bubbles!
It makes me indescribably happy to know I'm not the only fool who rushes head-first for the Roman numerals, only to see Hades' door half a second too late.
I think they need to make the channel scale with the max amount of mana you spend. With Aspect of Pan, it specifically feels bad to try to fully channel it
@@GoXDS as a seasoned pan user, sometimes you can't even get a full charge of all your daggers before your cast disappears. At best you half charge your special to get it like 2 times in 1 cast, basically rendering the extra daggers useless for the cast combo. It needs some adjustment unless they just want you to not use pan's intended mechanic and just shotgun blast full charge
There are hammers that increase channel speed both for pan as with the axe. They are very good hammers ofc, but I think that is fine as mechanics go. Would love a hammer re roll though...
The charge time should be the same. It should give you more knives in the same charge time but just cost more mana. It’s soooo slow to charge when you pick the hammer which gives 16 more knives.
Actually with pan, spiral hammer is very good even if some of them didn't hit. It still deal huge damage especially with pan where in cast they follow enemy.
I'm pretty sure dark side bugged out on me once, and made it so I couldn't dash. In the middle of the sirens fight. Safe to say I didn't make it to the end of the fight.
I had it so I couldn't walk, only dash or sprint in the last overworld boss. Lived with like 2 health at the end, that fight is already so stressful for me and my hair was white by the end of it.
Yep happened to me with Hecate. I could dash but I couldn’t walk or sprint, i would just twitch like half a step. It fixed itself after beating her though
All 16 shots hit with spiral when your stood next to the enemy with the cast. Second best in slot hammer for Chiron after hook knives. Maxing out the special is highest dps
'poor man's aspect of charon' pan might be the strongest aspect in the game so far go watch croven's speedrun. he got an IGT of 7:36 with pan. the damage numbers made me throw up twice. he was past cerberus before 5 minutes 💀
you can get flame cast + cyclone and the cast alone will proc p status - then get the skill that fires the cast out, and zeus lightning cast. all of those together is cast only win. attacks and specials are just cleanup lol.
@@GoXDS i mean the one where it fires out the cast and does lightning damage (lightning lance). That one should work with hestia flame cast and demeter cyclone, for three in one action
Yes the priming is literally the most free fear you can take. Just taking the titan and the other arcana card that gives you +5 magic and health every few rooms is more than enough to offset it. Even on builds heavily relying on omega its still free fear. (Got a 32 clear with charon axe + apollo special)
the cat gives an extra DD that revives with 10hp (you can buff it with meta progression) - while the frog gives you 10 max hp (also can be buffed with meta progression)
for Legendaries you need 3 bones - if you want to use foresaking to force Legendaries, you have to keep the bones you need in mind to not lock yourself out of the Legendary. Baisicaly, you have to keep rerolls to "save" the bones you must get from getting blocked. So yes, but you need a lot of rerolls for it to work
With the talk of Hecate maybe being a baddie, I guarantee you, Ares is a baddie. At least a minor one. The god of war is probably THRIVING now that a war is actually going on, and he’ll probably do anything to keep it going as long as he can, even oppose Melinoë. He’s my bet for a surface world boss
Hecate being a baddie doesnt make sense → she is the only reason you are alive and trained you to object Cronos, and tought you how to escape to the shadows so you wouldnt get cought. At most she might be against returning the fates, but I dont think she is a baddie. Ares sounds interesting, but I dont think so, we have seen his personality in Hadas 1
this is only kinda relevant based off attempt 1, but Spiral Knives + Hook Knives + plus some Hestia boons crashed my game a couple days ago i think Spiral Knives plus Aspect of Pan is probably one of the strongest possible combos. i killed Chronos second phase in two or three uses i think.
I noticed that when Hecate turns you into a sheep, you can move faster by spamming dash and attack. It does a weird sort of double jump when doing that.
@@jimblesnontroninbo6690 true true... but still. Got her eventually and even managed to reach Chronos on 32, now just gotta figure out how to actually kill him.
Echo can only be gifted after talking to her in my experience. It plays on her repeating the last words she heard, and the gift dialogue would break that immersion if you could gift then talk.
What attention to detail. Love it.
its bugged tho, ive seen her like 10 times at least and still cant gift
@@GoXDS Gifted her first time I saw her doing this, Talked to her, walked away forgot to check if I could gift walked back and gifted.
That makes so much sense! Her trinket was my very last one, since I just couldn’t figure it out. I thought it might have had something to do with progressing her story, so I just kept plodding away. I happened on it by accident when I was sprinting around getting resources.
apparently fixed with 5/16/2024 patch
Killing Chronos right when the Moros countdown hits one for the 32 heat run is something out of an epic! So hype!
Well, to ba fair, Haelian also had a cat defiance on top of that.
@@Annokh Yeah I wonder if he would have lost had he died in that short period. I'm fearing he would have which is something they should fix if that's the case.
Not having Exteme Measures yet probably bloats the difficulty for 32 fear right now. That's around 6 fear that can be freed up or 10 if you go EM4. Plus there are a lot of other pacts that aren't in the oaths yet
i really hope they add EM later on. getting to fight a harder version of the bosses you got used to is such a wind of fresh air
@@AutumnRa1n I think it's almost guaranteed we'll get it at some point so I'm optimistic. My biggest wish is we get more bangers from Scylla and the Sirens when you do EM with them.
@@AutumnRa1n EM wasn't added until either the last patch before EA or the previous one. Either way it was one of the last things added to the game when the entire game was done main content wise and they were just adding more side stuff like secret charon boss/last hidden aspects etc
Fun fact, if you press attack when you get sheeped you do a mini dash, sheep actually has decent movement by spamming dash and attack
I got my first win today with a Zeus Omega cast build. Picked up arachne's bonus cast damage dress in the Crossroads and managed to keep it all the way through the Chronos fight, winning with great fashion.
Second win I managed to get was with Hephaestus staff, got his attack CD down to 4 (tbh, should've left it at 5/6 seconds) and then his boon that afflicts foes that take his blast damage with vent. It wasn't that great, but it was enough to get through.
wait but winning with Arachne's outfit is kinda iconic though, props to you!
Cat companion should do extra damage to Tony.
@Haelian I'm sure you've thought about it, but JIC: you can cheese the triple damage in biome 2 and 3 by getting dinged with steam/thorns with the traps in the room. I did a 30 run today and that saved it before I got Hephy armour.
In the fields I realised the smaller rewards you can basically just run past the units defending it and pick up the power up and bounce 😂
Also i hate when Nem is in the room where Echo is. Shes so annoying
Get well soon Haelian, I will enjoy this 1-hour upload while I'm travelling to work here in AUS. Much love
im in aus aswell 😃sydney?
@@iamateacup7849 is it hard to find it jobs in Australia for immigrants
I think its really difficult to make the tight deadline in this game. Especially Ephyra. They should change it to add 1 min to all fear timers (i'd prefer 2 min added) and make it so when you use the bats in Ephyra it doesn't count down the timer.
I feel like tight deadline should differ for surface vs underworld
What's a fear timer, I'm not sure I quite understand your comment
@@champiggyfrm_pig5271 Fear is like Heat in the first game
@@edv.3788 I just don't get what he means by "to add 1min to all fear timers"
Now the timers are 9 minutes, 7 minutes and 5 minutes. Hes petitioning to make it 10, 8, 6 minutes.
I have dubbed Zone 4’s music genre as “clock rock”
Clock n' Roll 👀
😂ha Both of those are funny.
I struggle so hard with the Desperation deadlines in this game. If I have any Fear that slows the game down (like the extra health or mobs) then even the basic 9mins desperation is a no-go from me. I ended up doing my first 32-fear run with no Desperation at all, just carefully picking my way through with the damage, limited healing, no magic, 20% move speed, and the onions (which actually syncs quite nicely with the boon choice Vows)
I actually really like Poseidons Magic Regen especially when using a Dagger Special build. Each knife hit can trigger it so you end up with a ton of bubbles!
Yes poseidons magic regen (as basically everything poseidon) scales well with the amount of hits you do. Great on pan aspect, all torch aspects.
It makes me indescribably happy to know I'm not the only fool who rushes head-first for the Roman numerals, only to see Hades' door half a second too late.
I think they need to make the channel scale with the max amount of mana you spend. With Aspect of Pan, it specifically feels bad to try to fully channel it
@@GoXDS as a seasoned pan user, sometimes you can't even get a full charge of all your daggers before your cast disappears. At best you half charge your special to get it like 2 times in 1 cast, basically rendering the extra daggers useless for the cast combo. It needs some adjustment unless they just want you to not use pan's intended mechanic and just shotgun blast full charge
There are hammers that increase channel speed both for pan as with the axe. They are very good hammers ofc, but I think that is fine as mechanics go. Would love a hammer re roll though...
The charge time should be the same. It should give you more knives in the same charge time but just cost more mana. It’s soooo slow to charge when you pick the hammer which gives 16 more knives.
@@GoXDSYea that's exactly what I was thinking about.
@@quintengames3576 Dunno if it'd happen, they didn't let you reroll them the first game
Actually with pan, spiral hammer is very good even if some of them didn't hit. It still deal huge damage especially with pan where in cast they follow enemy.
I'm pretty sure dark side bugged out on me once, and made it so I couldn't dash. In the middle of the sirens fight. Safe to say I didn't make it to the end of the fight.
Mine bugged out and i could only dash, half solution in that case is to sprint instead of walking
I had it so I couldn't walk, only dash or sprint in the last overworld boss. Lived with like 2 health at the end, that fight is already so stressful for me and my hair was white by the end of it.
Yep happened to me with Hecate. I could dash but I couldn’t walk or sprint, i would just twitch like half a step. It fixed itself after beating her though
I couldn't dash in the hecate fight. I think it was after I got hit with sheep while in dark side
All 16 shots hit with spiral when your stood next to the enemy with the cast. Second best in slot hammer for Chiron after hook knives. Maxing out the special is highest dps
yo dude that hex is insane, you are almost constantly invincible
It deals almost zero damage and he has tight deadline on, using that hex a lot is basically losing the run in most cases.
@@Arkayjiya ahh i see if you get the buffs for it it melts tho
BarbarousKing! The crossover I didn't know I needed
Same thought! Always love seeing one of my favorite streamers in the chat of another one of my favorite streamers.
'poor man's aspect of charon'
pan might be the strongest aspect in the game so far
go watch croven's speedrun. he got an IGT of 7:36 with pan. the damage numbers made me throw up twice. he was past cerberus before 5 minutes 💀
Love your content man, get well soon!
get well soon man
If you think you are going to get hit in a boss plan your first hit.
Damn dawg I just did my first 8 fear level chronos kill and homie is already at 32. My word
DUNE REFERENCE IN THE THUMBS!!
you can get flame cast + cyclone and the cast alone will proc p status - then get the skill that fires the cast out, and zeus lightning cast. all of those together is cast only win. attacks and specials are just cleanup lol.
Demeter cyclone on cast is just really really really goated as a p status activator
@@GoXDS i mean the one where it fires out the cast and does lightning damage (lightning lance). That one should work with hestia flame cast and demeter cyclone, for three in one action
@@GoXDS true, ya i prefer zeus cuz hestias gets blocked by objects, zeus’s is great for eris
Chad move skipping Hades
I swear to god Scyllas music is Different Every Single Time. 🤔
I managed fear 32 up and down with the staff(Poseidon special build)
Maybe it’s just me but the magic priming fear feels kind of a bit much?
@@GoXDS the problem is that it completely deletes an entire mechanic in hexes from the game.
Yes the priming is literally the most free fear you can take. Just taking the titan and the other arcana card that gives you +5 magic and health every few rooms is more than enough to offset it.
Even on builds heavily relying on omega its still free fear. (Got a 32 clear with charon axe + apollo special)
I am also trying 32 Fear right now. Do you remember which Fear's changed in the run?
Wouldn't arachne keepsake help with x4 1st hit? Dmg can't exceed your armor, am i right?
Hephy's prime boon gives you new armor for each room
Toula only run incoming? 😀
Impressive to Do but Boring To Watch... That video would have to be Heavily Edited.
Where did this extra DD came from? The stone heart one. Already beat Chronos but didn't seem to see the option
the cat gives an extra DD that revives with 10hp (you can buff it with meta progression) - while the frog gives you 10 max hp (also can be buffed with meta progression)
Is the vow of foresaking( boon remuval) bad? Dont you get legendary boons easierly by using it?
for Legendaries you need 3 bones - if you want to use foresaking to force Legendaries, you have to keep the bones you need in mind to not lock yourself out of the Legendary. Baisicaly, you have to keep rerolls to "save" the bones you must get from getting blocked.
So yes, but you need a lot of rerolls for it to work
@@E_D___ Does it also work for duo boons?
With the talk of Hecate maybe being a baddie, I guarantee you, Ares is a baddie. At least a minor one. The god of war is probably THRIVING now that a war is actually going on, and he’ll probably do anything to keep it going as long as he can, even oppose Melinoë. He’s my bet for a surface world boss
He's a god of war but he's also interested in winning wars, not just having one that goes on forever.
Hecate being a baddie doesnt make sense → she is the only reason you are alive and trained you to object Cronos, and tought you how to escape to the shadows so you wouldnt get cought.
At most she might be against returning the fates, but I dont think she is a baddie.
Ares sounds interesting, but I dont think so, we have seen his personality in Hadas 1
Nah, I think it's gonna be a Heracles/Icarus/Artemis situation where he'll come down, help you clear a room, give a boon and dip
Bring back the hums
fucking Nemesis LMAO
“They made Hades 2 even HARDER” and Moros is on the thumbnail…seemsgood
they made hades hard
Sucked for 64!
this is only kinda relevant based off attempt 1, but Spiral Knives + Hook Knives + plus some Hestia boons crashed my game a couple days ago
i think Spiral Knives plus Aspect of Pan is probably one of the strongest possible combos. i killed Chronos second phase in two or three uses i think.
There was a bug with Hestia, I think they fixed it in the new patch
Algorithms
Dan flips his hat around and nobody says anything about him going "over the top." Am I old!?
I noticed that when Hecate turns you into a sheep, you can move faster by spamming dash and attack. It does a weird sort of double jump when doing that.
the sheep attack is a headbut that does 5 dmg, the headbut moves you forward
@@E_D___ Ah, that explains it!
I'm struggling with Eris on 16 and this guy just casually does 32 Chronos... Jesus that's annoying :P
Hestia dash can delete Eris shots
Don't compare yourself to streamers man, they literally do this shit as a job, you simply can't devote the same time to the game as them
@@jimblesnontroninbo6690 true true... but still. Got her eventually and even managed to reach Chronos on 32, now just gotta figure out how to actually kill him.