I always want to see a video on how your rating system works. I think it could be helpful for people trying to make adjustments to their local meta and the like if they could use the "same" things to base their scores on. great video as always. cheers
As a guy who basically just plays with friends, your budget decks are fantastic. I've been playing your Cavalcade of Calamity deck and having a blast with it. I think my wife will really enjoy your $10 option here.
I'm a kitchen table player too. Recently, I tried Dev's "Grandma Burn" against a friend's Infect deck. I *almost* beat him both times. :-) That was pre-RNA, so I need to consider some upgrades, but against Infect, I think I did pretty darn well!
Great video sir! I played a megrim deck in the late 90's and still have it. I still love it, but i have not picked up any lillys megrim yet because i don't play so much anymore. You sir are awesome, thank you so much.
Hi Dev. The problem with any discard mechanics is that they do nothing once an opponent has no cards in hand. However, in current standard we have two engines that makes both us and our opponent do draw a card: Howling Golem and Kumena's Awakening. Both of these permanents make an opponent draw a card during our turn and that means they won't be able to play lands or non-instatnt spells before we make them discrad. And both of these cards fit into Grixis colors.
I play a mono black discard deck that has almost nothing the same as your decks. It's cool there are so many ways to go with it. Mine is all about getting threats into the opponents grave, then pulling the threat our of the grave whenever I have destroyed their hand.
@@AngelicDirt torment has always been a big favorite of mine, and even a budget version can be pretty competitive. And there are a lot of interesting plays you can make with it.
For the sideboard of the budget deck consider phyrexian scriptures as another boardwipe. It’s a second turn board wipe yes but it buffs one of your points of damage and it will probably cause your opponent to hold back on playing out their hand, which is great for your discard package.
The grixis version really remiinds me of a decc fom.when i first started playing mtg....it was called machine head and it was built around terminate and blazing spectre
Great deck tech. For the competitive deck I would consider running discovery/dispersal it's both advantage, a spell for pteramander and the other half has removal plus discard if needed.
I'm Glad I was able to make the Competitive Grixis Discard deck shown here. After a few games, some in Bo1 and some in Bo3, The deck draws VERY clunky in Bo1. Bo3 The sideboard can dominate when drawn in its matches. However, it is FUN. Thanks Dev!
I’ve been playing a grixis discard deck since the first season and it’s been nothing but efficient! Always putting me in platinum! I prefer a more dimir focussed removal package but I considered the burny type package also. I’ll give it a shot and see what I think!
I play a Black/Green discard deck that is similar to your mono black version only it involves holding discard cards and using green to ramp quickly into a spectre on turn 3, with an additional turn 3 1 drop like duress or viscous rumours. Normally (especially if you play first) you have the spectre down and you opponent still has a 4 or 5 card hand. If you manage to get a second spectre or raiders wake on T4, then you drain there hand with cheap cards, or 1 copy of “awaken the erstwhile” I’ve made my opponent discard 5 cards with Awaken many times, while having 4dmg per card punishment. That’s 20 life gone in one turn. I’m still working out the kinks against Aggro, but try it out it works surprisingly well.... Awaken the erstwhile replaces their hand with zombies on the field, but who cares if you use it to bring them down 16 or 20 health. 🤷♂️
Also decks like mono blue or, izzet that utilize drawing cards are absolutely hilarious to play against. And even playing red has its perks (I’m looking at you risk factor) “heck yes I’ll let my opponent draw four card.... and then make him/her discard them”
I’ve had a grixis discard deck on arena for a while and i love it. The idea i had for it was to get them to empty their hand as fast as possible and then have some counter spells to stop them from topdecking something. I play a lot of similar cards to your version too like the burn package. I have an idea i want to work on using more of a creature focused discard/control with cards like plaguecrafter, chupacabra, etc
I have been playing a discard deck on arena grinding up to plat. It is pretty similar to your deck. Here is what I run. 4x Thought Erasure 4x Discovery/Dispersal 2x Blink of an Eye 2x Moment of craving 2x Cast down 4x Disinformation Campaign 2x Bedevil 2x Thief of Sanity 4x Nicol Bolas 1x Rekindling Pheonix 3x Ritual of soot 3x Angrath 3x The Eldest Reborn This deck is really fun, and I would recommend trying it out sometime if you like!! Sideboard has a few more phoenix, more discard (duress), a couple negates for control, cry of the carnarium, and unmoored ego for the stupid nexus decks.
Pretty much what you would expect for a 3 color mana base. 4x Watery Grave 3x Blood Crypt 3x Steam Vent 4x Drowned Catacomb 2x Dragonskull Summit 2x Sulfur Falls 1x Field of Ruin 2x Swamp 2x Island 1x Mountain The field of ruin might be greedy, but I wanted at least 1 answer to a flipped Search for Azcanta. I have blink of an eye in the deck to help get rid of enchantments or other threats by bouncing it back to their hand (and drawing a card!), then using Angrath to make them discard it. Ritual of soot is really good right now. It gets almost every single card in Sultai, mono blue and aggro decks. I hope you play it an enjoy it!
Well, I just played a game recently when I had 2 nullhide Ferox in my hand, and I was on the draw. Opponent gets to turn 4 and casts Carnage on me. That was simply beautiful.
Dev nice! I love 3 special archetypes the most because war never changes. Discard, Mana burn and fog. But I have one addition to the competitive list: Elektrodominance! don't miss the opportunity to instant hit a bolas and 4 damage on the field and come the next turn with a flip of bolas out of nowhere. Banefire and elektrodom are enough with bedevil and bedeck/bedazzle u don't need more removal except boardwipe^^
I built a very similar mono black deck. Only I didn't have the 1 urgoros, 3 vampire sovereign, 4 arterial flow, and ran 3 fell scepter instead of 4 and 3 raiders wake instead of 4. Ran 4 cast down, 4 plague crafter and 2 gruesome managerie
I would definitely add some real removal to the budget deck. Cast down or even murder for the cards that will inevitably be top decked and run out before you can interact
Ok so I tried running a discard deck similar to this on Arena, and I found that my opponent will have no cards in hand but will eventually start top decking and getting something amazing. And since they played the card, theres no more cards in hand, while I have nothing but discard spells in hand. I feel like running the shocks and lightning strikes are pretty essential.
Yeah, going all on on the discard plan is not a good idea without ways to deal with threats opponent's top deck or manage to get into play early on. Your best bet is to run a mono black control she'll with belz, eldest reborn, Karn, and treasure map. Play removal and sweepers and your side board should be all in on the discard plan to go up against control, and combo. For best of one run, burglar rats, duress, never happened, golden demise, murder, eldest reborn, your choice of bug flying threat...I run belzenlok. I run 3 cards each instead of 4 to fit in my discard plan. And about the only thing that I can beat is dimir torment decks...but if I was in best of three my deck ould wreck those decks because I could sideboard hard into the anti control game and then play their own win con out of their graveyard.
I'm about to hit diamond with my Grixis discard. I run black removals instead of red, but I also play thief of sanity, hostage taker, rekindling Phoenix and disinformation campaign
Do you run the Rix Maadi? The more I play it, the better I come to love this card. It is a bit off topic, but I am looking to build a Rakkdos splash in red Aggro with it and Sovereign's Bite and the usual others. I think adding the extra draw and an extra damage spell with life gain will help out enough to put it over the top.
Curious why you didn't include any Thief of Sanity on the grixis build, and I would like to know your opinion on Haunt of Hightower as a payoff card as well.
I might build the mono-black for fun. As I own all the cards. Assembled the expensive one on arena now(had to put in more basics and guildgates, due to lack of rare wildcards). Very funny deck :)
Yes. It's too slow against any mono color aggro, and never hits the board vs control, when & if it does resolve it gets taken Hostage. Great thing about the Megrim deck was The Rack (davriel), Megrim (fell specter/raiders wake), and ensnaring bridge (artifact, no comparison currently in standard). There's so many ways to make discard currently. I prefer B/W discard/prison, U/B , or Grixis.
The problem with discard strategies, especially in current standard is either there isnt enough discard to get the hand emptied early on or you have so much discard in order to have plenty early game that a lot of it becomes dead once they start top decking. I am not saying it isnt possibile, just generally a narrow plan that could go sour fast. But I do like the discard with maybe bounce to remove threats and discard both. One major issue is, most discard creatures are easy to kill or too expensive to matter. This is coming from someobe who played the old rack with spells like Hymn and Mind Twist
I think Strike is better for the blue tempo match up. Being able to kill a guy at any time leaves a lot of flexability. Forcing a Spell Pierce or Dive Down on your opponent's turn leaves you with a lot more open oppritunities on yours.
Maybe in the budget deck you could run plague crafter? It is removal against creature decks, and it is discard against non creature decks? Plus you can upgrade a burglar rats or the like into a 3/2?
I'd really like to build the black deck for my son, and knowing him, he'd REALLY love to have a couple of Rise from the Graves in there. He most likely won't be able to afford a playset unless I removed all the Vampire Sovereigns and Urboros, but would there be any other cards in the deck which could make way for a RotG without severely gimping the flow? Otherwise, I'll probably just put in the one in place of a Sovereign.
One of the first successful decks I had built when I started was a black/blue discard deck with Megrim and Cephalid Broker/Looters and a lot of counter and discard spells with Reminisce and was difficult to beat, especially with a turn 1 Megrim followed by a turn 2 Mind Rot. (I also ran 4 Dark Rituals in that deck.) I built a newer version of that deck that runs: 4 Cephalid Looters 4 Cephalid Brokers 4 Fellspectres 4 Megrims 4 Raider's Wakes 2 Reminisces 2 Dark Rituals 16 Various Discard Spells 10 Islands 10 Swamps. Its slow to start, but once it gets going, its hard to stop.
I'm working on this deck as we speak. This has got to be the 10,000th time you've uploaded a deck tech while i was working on the same thing. "Great Minds" right? I'm going non-budget version. Hoping this will smash hands as well as faces.
Just an idea I think once a week you should do a revisited deck. I know the first deck I watched was the standard blue mill deck. I would like to see how it would change based on new sets being introduced.
I would feel like Ruin Raider would be a good addition as a faux dark confidant in this agrro deck as well as refilling against grindy matches also since the mana curve is that low to the ground the oportunity cost would not be that high.
I've been playing a B/U discard deck in Arena for a while now and there is so much early game draw, like Chart a Course, that by turn 4 they still usually have 3 or 4 cards in hand when you drop a Fell Specter. And that is often after the ideal play of Turn 1 - Duress, Turn 2 - Thought Erasure, Turn 3 - Disinformation Campaign, Turn 4 - Fell Specter.
Muahahahahah. That was pleasantly Eveel. I get the gist of vamp Sov. & Urgoros, think 2 eldest & 2 fetch (lilianas spoils, masterminds,etc) may be better. Biggest issue for discard is getting stomped by "top decked anything with hexproof." and lack of "damnation". I like the Grixis version (surprised no discovery/dispersal). oh btw I am not a reformed control player.. Your thoughts on W/B Prison/Discard?
I tried the budget build in Arena last night. Unfortunately, I got hammered four games in a row. The discard mechanic works well but if my opponent gets even one decent sized creature on the board, my goose is usually cooked. Once I get the cards, I am going to try the other build...
I like it Dev, I really do. However MY experience on Arena is that the meta I see is aggro heavy so I really don't see many of those slower control decks that this deck would do so well against.
@@ronb792 Knowledge is power for controll. So I guess it is weaker in Bo1 because you are more reactive than most other Magic Strategies. Also you need to know the threats of the ongoing rotation. Controll could be a bit trickier for new players. Games tend to be longer as a Controll Player and if you want to rank up fast it wont be with controll
Anyone who makes a good video about a deck with Nicol Bolas gets views from me. This discard build looks like a neat deck I'll have to give it a try in Arena.
I love it dev, budget was perfect but i feel the competitive one kind of went off theme with the amount of removal. Maybe 2 colors and some upgrades would be better idk. Depends, either way super cool theme!
*Me, Yesterday* : Oh, hey, pulled, like, my third Urgoros. I wonder what I could do with them...? *Me, Today* : Why, thank you, Dev. Gonna go wreck some hands now, thx~ XD Also, two decks for the price of one. Value all ova tha place. Yus~ >:B
Honestly I think anyone who is hell-bent on playing Grixis in standard should lean in this heavy discard direction. It's the closest thing to enchantment removal these colors can muster.
Why do you keep bringing up Nexus when talking about discarding? All they'd do is shuffle it back into the library. I'd slip a couple of never happened in for that.
It's 3 mana for a pseudo-discard effect that does not even trigger discard since it exiles the card. It doesn't synergize with the budget that needs lots of discard and it is too bad of a card for the competitive one.
@@kylesavage4525 Its Pseudo discard which completely bones jump-start, Rekindling pheonix, and all recursion save squee. and it s any nonland card. like i said, my discard deck has almost nothing in common with Dev's. My discard deck does not run discard win cons. It runs graveyard control. I put their win con's into their graveyard and then play them out of it. And my deck is pretty competitive. eou'n't go to a GP with never happened in my main, but i'm pretty confident in my ability to win constructed events with it in their.
I always want to see a video on how your rating system works. I think it could be helpful for people trying to make adjustments to their local meta and the like if they could use the "same" things to base their scores on. great video as always. cheers
Jacob Egan I’ve wanted this for a while as well
Hans Gougar he’s already made one a long time ago. But it’s just what he feels about the deck, there’s not really any algorithm or formula
@@woobinplayz7164 thanks for that, now it's on my watch later for when I finish this video
Everyone: Who wants a deck tech VIdeo at 2 am??
Me: OH BOI ITS 2 AM!
As a guy who basically just plays with friends, your budget decks are fantastic. I've been playing your Cavalcade of Calamity deck and having a blast with it. I think my wife will really enjoy your $10 option here.
Just be careful discard decks can break friendships.
I'm a kitchen table player too. Recently, I tried Dev's "Grandma Burn" against a friend's Infect deck. I *almost* beat him both times. :-) That was pre-RNA, so I need to consider some upgrades, but against Infect, I think I did pretty darn well!
I've been working on this same variation for a while, it's nice to see it with a little more fine tuning... Keep em' coming!
Great video sir! I played a megrim deck in the late 90's and still have it. I still love it, but i have not picked up any lillys megrim yet because i don't play so much anymore. You sir are awesome, thank you so much.
I remember you doing a rotation-proof black budget deck tech similar to this last fall and I had a lot of fun with it on Arena.
Hi Dev.
The problem with any discard mechanics is that they do nothing once an opponent has no cards in hand.
However, in current standard we have two engines that makes both us and our opponent do draw a card: Howling Golem and Kumena's Awakening. Both of these permanents make an opponent draw a card during our turn and that means they won't be able to play lands or non-instatnt spells before we make them discrad. And both of these cards fit into Grixis colors.
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You can also say evaporate - leave their hand with complete air and yours with solid gas
Solid gas?
@@tobyklase8179 lmao
I play a mono black discard deck that has almost nothing the same as your decks. It's cool there are so many ways to go with it. Mine is all about getting threats into the opponents grave, then pulling the threat our of the grave whenever I have destroyed their hand.
Same. Tis a deck I don't play often, but when I do, it's usually too good. Regardless of the state of the meta. XD
@@AngelicDirt torment has always been a big favorite of mine, and even a budget version can be pretty competitive. And there are a lot of interesting plays you can make with it.
I love the double decks. If I cant play the competitive I can save up while playing the budget out of ranked. Thanks for the content once again Dev!
For the sideboard of the budget deck consider phyrexian scriptures as another boardwipe. It’s a second turn board wipe yes but it buffs one of your points of damage and it will probably cause your opponent to hold back on playing out their hand, which is great for your discard package.
The grixis version really remiinds me of a decc fom.when i first started playing mtg....it was called machine head and it was built around terminate and blazing spectre
always love the videos Dev! keep bringing joy to all of our lives! Stay golden!
Definitely putting that budget version together on arena. I've been looking for a fun monoblack to run for quests.
Great stuff dev! You know what’s the coolest part about this deck? I got run over by it before I saw the video :p keep up the good work :)
Great deck tech. For the competitive deck I would consider running discovery/dispersal it's both advantage, a spell for pteramander and the other half has removal plus discard if needed.
I'm Glad I was able to make the Competitive Grixis Discard deck shown here. After a few games, some in Bo1 and some in Bo3, The deck draws VERY clunky in Bo1. Bo3 The sideboard can dominate when drawn in its matches. However, it is FUN. Thanks Dev!
I’ve been playing a grixis discard deck since the first season and it’s been nothing but efficient! Always putting me in platinum! I prefer a more dimir focussed removal package but I considered the burny type package also. I’ll give it a shot and see what I think!
I play a Black/Green discard deck that is similar to your mono black version only it involves holding discard cards and using green to ramp quickly into a spectre on turn 3, with an additional turn 3 1 drop like duress or viscous rumours. Normally (especially if you play first) you have the spectre down and you opponent still has a 4 or 5 card hand. If you manage to get a second spectre or raiders wake on T4, then you drain there hand with cheap cards, or 1 copy of “awaken the erstwhile” I’ve made my opponent discard 5 cards with Awaken many times, while having 4dmg per card punishment. That’s 20 life gone in one turn. I’m still working out the kinks against Aggro, but try it out it works surprisingly well.... Awaken the erstwhile replaces their hand with zombies on the field, but who cares if you use it to bring them down 16 or 20 health. 🤷♂️
Also decks like mono blue or, izzet that utilize drawing cards are absolutely hilarious to play against. And even playing red has its perks (I’m looking at you risk factor) “heck yes I’ll let my opponent draw four card.... and then make him/her discard them”
I’ve had a grixis discard deck on arena for a while and i love it. The idea i had for it was to get them to empty their hand as fast as possible and then have some counter spells to stop them from topdecking something. I play a lot of similar cards to your version too like the burn package. I have an idea i want to work on using more of a creature focused discard/control with cards like plaguecrafter, chupacabra, etc
Perfect upload time for Europe now i can watch this pre-work 8:03 am at the moment
I have been playing a discard deck on arena grinding up to plat. It is pretty similar to your deck. Here is what I run.
4x Thought Erasure
4x Discovery/Dispersal
2x Blink of an Eye
2x Moment of craving
2x Cast down
4x Disinformation Campaign
2x Bedevil
2x Thief of Sanity
4x Nicol Bolas
1x Rekindling Pheonix
3x Ritual of soot
3x Angrath
3x The Eldest Reborn
This deck is really fun, and I would recommend trying it out sometime if you like!! Sideboard has a few more phoenix, more discard (duress), a couple negates for control, cry of the carnarium, and unmoored ego for the stupid nexus decks.
Hey bud what about your manabase?
Pretty much what you would expect for a 3 color mana base.
4x Watery Grave
3x Blood Crypt
3x Steam Vent
4x Drowned Catacomb
2x Dragonskull Summit
2x Sulfur Falls
1x Field of Ruin
2x Swamp
2x Island
1x Mountain
The field of ruin might be greedy, but I wanted at least 1 answer to a flipped Search for Azcanta. I have blink of an eye in the deck to help get rid of enchantments or other threats by bouncing it back to their hand (and drawing a card!), then using Angrath to make them discard it. Ritual of soot is really good right now. It gets almost every single card in Sultai, mono blue and aggro decks. I hope you play it an enjoy it!
Dev sure loves the Drill Bit xD
I get PTSD from rumours. I remember playing it at fnm on turn one and my opponent discards nulhide ferox...
Well, I just played a game recently when I had 2 nullhide Ferox in my hand, and I was on the draw. Opponent gets to turn 4 and casts Carnage on me. That was simply beautiful.
Dev nice! I love 3 special archetypes the most because war never changes.
Discard, Mana burn and fog.
But I have one addition to the competitive list:
Elektrodominance! don't miss the opportunity to instant hit a bolas and 4 damage on the field and come the next turn with a flip of bolas out of nowhere. Banefire and elektrodom are enough with bedevil and bedeck/bedazzle u don't need more removal except boardwipe^^
Thank you for brewing for best-of-one on arena. That is just a fun mode.
Finally burgler rat gets some love.
I've been trying to make this work for awhile now dev. Appreciate it
I built a very similar mono black deck. Only I didn't have the 1 urgoros, 3 vampire sovereign, 4 arterial flow, and ran 3 fell scepter instead of 4 and 3 raiders wake instead of 4. Ran 4 cast down, 4 plague crafter and 2 gruesome managerie
I would definitely add some real removal to the budget deck. Cast down or even murder for the cards that will inevitably be top decked and run out before you can interact
love these decks! Discard rules. It's cool you went Grixis.
Ok so I tried running a discard deck similar to this on Arena, and I found that my opponent will have no cards in hand but will eventually start top decking and getting something amazing. And since they played the card, theres no more cards in hand, while I have nothing but discard spells in hand. I feel like running the shocks and lightning strikes are pretty essential.
Yeah, going all on on the discard plan is not a good idea without ways to deal with threats opponent's top deck or manage to get into play early on. Your best bet is to run a mono black control she'll with belz, eldest reborn, Karn, and treasure map. Play removal and sweepers and your side board should be all in on the discard plan to go up against control, and combo.
For best of one run, burglar rats, duress, never happened, golden demise, murder, eldest reborn, your choice of bug flying threat...I run belzenlok. I run 3 cards each instead of 4 to fit in my discard plan. And about the only thing that I can beat is dimir torment decks...but if I was in best of three my deck ould wreck those decks because I could sideboard hard into the anti control game and then play their own win con out of their graveyard.
I play rekindling Phoenix, thief of sanity and hostage taker and kiesail freebooter in mine. It definately helps offensively and defensively
Pop in some mill, if you really feel that way. Dimir and Grixis are your friends here. :3
I'm about to hit diamond with my Grixis discard. I run black removals instead of red, but I also play thief of sanity, hostage taker, rekindling Phoenix and disinformation campaign
Do you run the Rix Maadi? The more I play it, the better I come to love this card. It is a bit off topic, but I am looking to build a Rakkdos splash in red Aggro with it and Sovereign's Bite and the usual others. I think adding the extra draw and an extra damage spell with life gain will help out enough to put it over the top.
What about adding something like this howling golem to make sure they have cards in hand to keep your discard plan live?
I was seriously about to do a Discard deck man...get out of my brain.
Btw when are you going to guest on The Hive Mind?!?!
Theater is amazing. It's a Search for Rakdos/Grixis. A+ for its consideration!
What about just blue black for more budget.
Is theif of sanity worth it ? Or haunt of hightower?
Curious why you didn't include any Thief of Sanity on the grixis build, and I would like to know your opinion on Haunt of Hightower as a payoff card as well.
I might build the mono-black for fun. As I own all the cards. Assembled the expensive one on arena now(had to put in more basics and guildgates, due to lack of rare wildcards). Very funny deck :)
What would you cut to make room for Davriel?
For the mono black: -1 Urguros, -2 Arterial Flow, -1 Vampire Sovereign for 4 Davriel.
For the Grixis: 4 Fell Specter for 4 Davriel.
@@Ceyx000 definitely going grixis you think fell specter is worth dropping?
Yes. It's too slow against any mono color aggro, and never hits the board vs control, when & if it does resolve it gets taken Hostage.
Great thing about the Megrim deck was The Rack (davriel), Megrim (fell specter/raiders wake), and ensnaring bridge (artifact, no comparison currently in standard).
There's so many ways to make discard currently. I prefer B/W discard/prison, U/B , or Grixis.
The problem with discard strategies, especially in current standard is either there isnt enough discard to get the hand emptied early on or you have so much discard in order to have plenty early game that a lot of it becomes dead once they start top decking. I am not saying it isnt possibile, just generally a narrow plan that could go sour fast. But I do like the discard with maybe bounce to remove threats and discard both. One major issue is, most discard creatures are easy to kill or too expensive to matter. This is coming from someobe who played the old rack with spells like Hymn and Mind Twist
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Dev, don't you think Skewer the Critics would be better than lightning strike or shock, if you feel there's enough spectacle triggers?
I think Strike is better for the blue tempo match up. Being able to kill a guy at any time leaves a lot of flexability. Forcing a Spell Pierce or Dive Down on your opponent's turn leaves you with a lot more open oppritunities on yours.
I'd give you a handshake for an excellent tech but it looks like mine is missing.
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@@jtdrawoh4595 I cast my jokes into the aether and sometimes they resolve.
Thanks Dev!
I do really like jokes and cats...but it was still a cool video.
Maybe in the budget deck you could run plague crafter? It is removal against creature decks, and it is discard against non creature decks? Plus you can upgrade a burglar rats or the like into a 3/2?
No The Haunt of Hightower?
I'd really like to build the black deck for my son, and knowing him, he'd REALLY love to have a couple of Rise from the Graves in there. He most likely won't be able to afford a playset unless I removed all the Vampire Sovereigns and Urboros, but would there be any other cards in the deck which could make way for a RotG without severely gimping the flow? Otherwise, I'll probably just put in the one in place of a Sovereign.
Why no electro dominance? I think it would work well in the place of the banefire...
Banefire cannot be countered if X>5 even though it's at sorcery speed
I use it in mine. It works great at big removal and drop an Angrath, Bolas , or rekindling Phoenix
One of the first successful decks I had built when I started was a black/blue discard deck with Megrim and Cephalid Broker/Looters and a lot of counter and discard spells with Reminisce and was difficult to beat, especially with a turn 1 Megrim followed by a turn 2 Mind Rot. (I also ran 4 Dark Rituals in that deck.)
I built a newer version of that deck that runs:
4 Cephalid Looters
4 Cephalid Brokers
4 Fellspectres
4 Megrims
4 Raider's Wakes
2 Reminisces
2 Dark Rituals
16 Various Discard Spells
10 Islands
10 Swamps.
Its slow to start, but once it gets going, its hard to stop.
I know this deck is about tempo but how about eldest reborn at the top of the curve? Try to get some of those discarded cards to work for you
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I'm working on this deck as we speak. This has got to be the 10,000th time you've uploaded a deck tech while i was working on the same thing. "Great Minds" right? I'm going non-budget version. Hoping this will smash hands as well as faces.
Just an idea I think once a week you should do a revisited deck. I know the first deck I watched was the standard blue mill deck. I would like to see how it would change based on new sets being introduced.
Well I like to see you do a Deck Tech on dragons
I would feel like Ruin Raider would be a good addition as a faux dark confidant in this agrro deck as well as refilling against grindy matches also since the mana curve is that low to the ground the oportunity cost would not be that high.
What is the name of the you tube channel were they put dev's decks to the test????
The intronis babngin definitely my new fav
This looks really fun. Will try.
Hell yeah I have all these cards. ESKITIDT
No Heartless Pillage? Opponent discards 2 plus raid trigger to ramp/fix ?
Rix Reveler is such a perfect fit here, better than theaters i think....
Wheres the mixtape Dev?
I know it's kind of late, but I could take this to an FNM? Even though I probably won't do well.
How are these decks scored?
I totally understand why you choose fell specter and raiders whatever but bythe time we hit those drops then they're out of cards right?
I've been playing a B/U discard deck in Arena for a while now and there is so much early game draw, like Chart a Course, that by turn 4 they still usually have 3 or 4 cards in hand when you drop a Fell Specter. And that is often after the ideal play of Turn 1 - Duress, Turn 2 - Thought Erasure, Turn 3 - Disinformation Campaign, Turn 4 - Fell Specter.
@@phamtomK9 and hi 7ûy
Fair enough
Muahahahahah.
That was pleasantly Eveel. I get the gist of vamp Sov. & Urgoros, think 2 eldest & 2 fetch (lilianas spoils, masterminds,etc) may be better.
Biggest issue for discard is getting stomped by "top decked anything with hexproof." and lack of "damnation".
I like the Grixis version (surprised no discovery/dispersal). oh btw I am not a reformed control player..
Your thoughts on W/B Prison/Discard?
Hey Dev, why not run Murder in the budget list?
I tried the budget build in Arena last night. Unfortunately, I got hammered four games in a row. The discard mechanic works well but if my opponent gets even one decent sized creature on the board, my goose is usually cooked. Once I get the cards, I am going to try the other build...
What about the haunt of hightower? High mana cost but high reward if you keep it alive long enough to wreck games.
I like the $10 deck, it's pretty rad. But I run a play set of Soverign's Bite.
1B - Sorcery
Deal 3 dmg to target player & gain 3 life.
I like it Dev, I really do. However MY experience on Arena is that the meta I see is aggro heavy so I really don't see many of those slower control decks that this deck would do so well against.
I have a mono black deck on Arena that does more removal and weenies that remove. It performs surprisingly well.
Maybe the 3 cries of carnarium will help?
Do you mean Bo1 because in Paper and Bo3 you will see alot more Controll
@@zulfyby Yeah, Bo1
@@ronb792 Knowledge is power for controll.
So I guess it is weaker in Bo1 because you are more reactive than most other Magic Strategies.
Also you need to know the threats of the ongoing rotation. Controll could be a bit trickier for new players.
Games tend to be longer as a Controll Player and if you want to rank up fast it wont be with controll
Favorite deck I seen to date
Grixis variation really need lava coil in current arena meta - tons of drake deck.
Anyone who makes a good video about a deck with Nicol Bolas gets views from me. This discard build looks like a neat deck I'll have to give it a try in Arena.
Late night deck techs 👍😎
I love it dev, budget was perfect but i feel the competitive one kind of went off theme with the amount of removal. Maybe 2 colors and some upgrades would be better idk. Depends, either way super cool theme!
You are making them discard the card after they play it. Definitely on theme!
Is this still standard legal?
*Me, Yesterday* : Oh, hey, pulled, like, my third Urgoros. I wonder what I could do with them...?
*Me, Today* : Why, thank you, Dev. Gonna go wreck some hands now, thx~ XD
Also, two decks for the price of one. Value all ova tha place. Yus~ >:B
did you do megrim for me so i don't have to think? please tell me u did that! ... yep fell spectre and raiders wake. bless you sir!
I've missed a few episodes... Why is Dev back on the couch though?
IIRC he goes back to the couch for the 'brewer's choice' videos.
Honestly I think anyone who is hell-bent on playing Grixis in standard should lean in this heavy discard direction. It's the closest thing to enchantment removal these colors can muster.
Hey great minds i have been crushing with bolas discard deck
20 minute fat guy is my favorite format. Nice tech
Good vid
Vampire Sovereign out for Vengeant Vampire
DAT PLAY BUTTON
Anyone else refer to pteramander as Mudkip or am I lonely pokeboi?
I did, until I heard "Scary Ptery," and I prefer that one now
Nexus shuffles back in if it were to go to the graveyard and since they run 4.... I don't think so
you realize if you put one copy of banefire in an arena deck you will see that card and only that card, never when you want it.
Why do you keep bringing up Nexus when talking about discarding? All they'd do is shuffle it back into the library. I'd slip a couple of never happened in for that.
Never Happened exiles discarded card. I run it in my sideboard against any nexus deck.
Why 4 Spector and 3 Bolas? Bolas is just better in many ways over the Spector.
Because the 2dmg per discard. Bolas often discard without doing dmg.
Where the cats?!
The competitive deck will not beat mono blue, mono red, gw tokens, and white weenie. You need more counter spells and less discard.
As much as I want to enjoy this deck, I'm getting eaten alive on arena with this. Consistent early land issues.
Lol i just built nebuchadnezzar in commander
I feel lkke vicious rumors is a legit cards...
Needs to script the outro.
You should start selling your beats
Also, never happened, run it. It's good.
It's 3 mana for a pseudo-discard effect that does not even trigger discard since it exiles the card. It doesn't synergize with the budget that needs lots of discard and it is too bad of a card for the competitive one.
@@kylesavage4525 Its Pseudo discard which completely bones jump-start, Rekindling pheonix, and all recursion save squee. and it s any nonland card. like i said, my discard deck has almost nothing in common with Dev's. My discard deck does not run discard win cons. It runs graveyard control. I put their win con's into their graveyard and then play them out of it. And my deck is pretty competitive. eou'n't go to a GP with never happened in my main, but i'm pretty confident in my ability to win constructed events with it in their.
@@pyronicdesign Well like u said u run a completely different deck that in u believe needs the never happened. This deck however does not.
@@kylesavage4525 agreed. I like what Dev, did. My point was that there are several directions to take discard decks.