Only Tammy and Scope is somewhat expensive, though you can use a friend Tammy as I did. Damage is much lower than a whale comp, so it is not recommended for CQ. Notice that you can do up to 4 turns with Paracelsus clearing the first wave. In a standard 3 turns, just put a bonus CE on him and change with Doctor right away. Any 20% charger will work, but the damage will vary. Haven't test Knight Class, but I don't expect it to work. Good news! If the knight classes enemies HP are low enough, it does work!
I came up with just about the same setup. When grailed and leaving Paracelsus as the one surviving the first turn (leaving either Tamamo or Asclepius to get chucked), with Para's bond CE, he can often charge enough on neutral class foes to loop with even Rider Ryouma as the second charge booster (more accessible than Lanling setups, comparable). And with 20% charge units in that spot (i.e. Helena, Attilla the Santa, Shakespeare, heck even Mashu), looping vs mid-HP berserkers is even possible. So basically, Paracelsus' bond CE opens up some possibilities if you happen to have it (or want to work toward it). I already had it up because he was my first means to Skadi loop with a (not great) setup of him and Double Skadi and Zerkerlot. Way better with Waver or MLB Kscope, similar limitations here, but you can make F2P or near F2P options work too. You might also be able to find a Tamamo with her bond CE from a friends list, which should similarly help looping consistency. Don't forget about the free 5 star ticket coming up this next Spring! Tamamo or Waver would help with this looping setup if you need that last piece as well as just being great supports in general.
From my own test runs, the only class that Chen can reliably loop using budget supports is caster. For this setup, you can give him Painting Summer CE and charge his np on the first turn with friend's Waver. For the ammo, I use Hans, Asclepius and Santa Altera. Here's how you buff him, on the first turn, buff him with all of Paracel's skills. After that swap with Hans with The Merciless One CE and give Chen a passive 10% np charge using Hans' third skill. During the second wave, Asclepius will come replace Hans and he should give Chen 20% np and buff his np gain. If you don't have a second copy of mlb Merciless One you can use mlb Battle of Camlann here. Chen would probably need an additional np charge so use Chen's second skill. At the third wave, Altera will replace Asclepius and Altera np charge from her first skill should be enough for Chen. Buff Chen's np using Altera second skill and you're ready to go. Unfortunately, if the enemy hp is above 100k this will not work due to no class advantage. But hey at least you have a reliable 3 turn QP dailies team
damn dude... you never burn a 5 star CE unless you are mega whale and even then event CE is a no no, I just feelbad that I missed the Merciless event and now I will never have this awsome CE, camelot MLB sucks so much the diference between 15 and 20 is insane
They are like an endangered species after the castorias devoured their natural habitat. It is a shame that it is not the 1st time that the tamamo species have been driven out of their homes by the saberface species.
My chen gong team composition comprises of arash(1/1/10), casgil(5/5/8), chen gong(1/1/5), Ryouma(10/2/10),friend support waver(10/10/10), and an extra slot for any servant that i have and for mystic code i use fragment of 2004(must be lvl 10). The point of this team comp is double dps and a backup overcharge for effect got chen gong's np. Arash has imaginary element, casgil has dive to blue, chen gong has kscope, ryouma has battle of camlann, friend support waver and the last servant can have any ce So first wave, use arash's 3rd skill and chen's 2nd skill to charge np battery and chen's 3rd skill again to strengthen arash's np damage to clear the wave, damage can go from 28-30k neutral damage(and 50k damage on effective targets if ever u faced one) Second turn, use all the skills of casgil and ryouma to increase damage and charge up chen's np and use the np gain up skill of fragment of 2004. Chen's np damage can go from 48-50k neutral damage and 88-90k damage on effective targets. Chen's np battery will be 50-60% this includes battle of camlann. Also this is the part where the extra overcharge effect comes. by charging cas gils np battery, u can have a backup np for the next turn, but the catch here is that u need to make an arts chain with a cas gil arts card to make this work. And so the 3rd turn. using waver's skills, charge chen gong's np and use the first skill of fragment of 2004 to increase np damage. Np damage of chen can go from 90-100k damage on neutral damage and 160-180k damage effective targets. If u have cas gils np ready by this turn,u can use it to have an overcharge effect on chen's np for extra damage. Note: if u have cas gils bond ce, u can use him as support instead of backup np/overcharge for Chen's np since it gives 20%np strength to all ally when he is on the field. This can improve the damage of arash's and chen's np. Im still bond level 5 on cas gil cus i got him a week ago.
Yeap, this looks about right based on my own testing with The Gong, so grats on making Gong work on a budget! I can say that If you have at least a Tam or Waver you could use Ryouma and Gong's own NP Chargers Wave one to get 100% NP, then use his, Para's, Waver's/Tam's, and whatever Friend Support you wish Skills alongside Battle of Cams. to get a Tri-Loop with a bit more meat on its bones Damage-wise against all Classes (assuming Three Enemies per wave), but it's still fairly rough going. Honestly, those without the means to do a Whale Gong Tri-Loop should look towards making him works as a Duo Looper, with a Buster AoE NPer for the tactician to buff with his S3 after he kills his second support. The Damage will still be pretty poor unless you have something like Ajurna Alter as your final ace to bring out for Wave 3, but such a set up is a lot more flexible to work with and more accommodating to a variety of Mystic Codes and CEs to work off on.
I spent about 120sq and 25 tickets trying to get Arjuna Alter, and I didn't get a single Asclepius on the process, so that "budget" setup might not be as easy.
There's a class summoning right now and Asclepius is in it today I'm not sure whether the caster class summoning banned will come back but roll when you can
I believe you can Replace Tamamo with Castoria. They have the same Art buff (50%). And Castoria also fills the role of Aclepius w/ her 20% Battery (+NP gain). Castoria just made Tamamo and Aclepius irrelevant.
If you have Imaginary Element you can use Castoria here now. Use Castoria S2 and Chen S2. You still fire that NP, also Castoria makes Tamamo and Asclepius Irrelevant.
Any 20% charger, preferably with some sort of damage buff. So, Helena, Kiichi Hougen, etc. If you really don't have anyone, Mash and Shakespeare would work. It would be the least damage set up tho.
If you have an MLB Imaginary Element, you can use Gong 2nd Skill on the first loop instead. Obviously, you shouldn't use Ryoma as the second bullet if that is the case. Haven't tested it yet, so try to figure out what will happen yourself. Good luck.
@@o0dragonking0o90 I'm missing 2 IE for that unfortunately. But I think I can still make it works somehow. I have Lan Ling as well, haven't maxed out his battery skill though.
I got you fam. Found a way. slot 1: Waver, 20% NP on death CE. slot 2: Gong, Painting Summer CE (MLB, very important, barely enough arts/NP gain to loop, especially on wave 2) slot 3: Tamamo, CE doesn't matter. Swap out for backline (slot 6) Paracelsus (requires his bond CE). Could alternatively borrow a friend's Tamamo with her bond CE, have her start in slot 6 and swap her and Paracelsus the other direction. slot 4: Asclepius, battle of Camlann CE (MLB) slot 5: any 20% NP boosting ally. I literally used Mashu for it to test, but others would be better for damage (Lanling, Helena, Attila the Santa, etc.) slot 6: either Paracelsus or Tamamo as discussed in slot 3. I tested this vs the daily assassin expert training grounds. Granted, my Gong is already grailed to 90, so the overkill required to make it work might not be easy, but it is possible, even just F2P + being lucky enough to have Waver. If grailing isn't accessible but you find the overkill short, maybe using the mystic code attack for an early wave and/or leveling the CE (despite being not a great one to level due to split att/hp stats) might help. I didn't have to use his second skill to charge another 10%, but barely didn't have to between both waves 1-2 and 2-3. There's not much room for error. At least vs assassins. Probably would not work vs berserkers. Might work vs neutral classes. Should work vs casters. Damage is still pretty limited. But, now you at least have a possible Gong looping kit to work with! :)
@@jonathandwilliams2885 Thanks for the detailed write up. I really appreciate it. I don't have the 20% on death ce but since you said you didn't have to use Gong's 2nd skill this should be doable with Camlann.
@@o0dragonking0o90 It's alright, I was just here out of curiosity, I currently have Nito and DaVinci Lily too, so I just use one more AOE with a starting charge or their own battery third round and that usually works out
![[FGOAA TA] Lostbelt 6 Cernunnos - Chen Gong 4T 4 consecutive NPs Single Core](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/qQ82YA4BeGE/mqdefault.jpg)
Jesus this is an *ACTUAL* f2p setup.
Only Tammy and Scope is somewhat expensive, though you can use a friend Tammy as I did. Damage is much lower than a whale comp, so it is not recommended for CQ. Notice that you can do up to 4 turns with Paracelsus clearing the first wave. In a standard 3 turns, just put a bonus CE on him and change with Doctor right away. Any 20% charger will work, but the damage will vary. Haven't test Knight Class, but I don't expect it to work.
Good news! If the knight classes enemies HP are low enough, it does work!
Would caster Gil work instead of Tammy?
@@justnot5401 Go to a comment from Jimi in this comment section. He had a much more in-depth video on the set up.
@@o0dragonking0o90 thanks
I came up with just about the same setup. When grailed and leaving Paracelsus as the one surviving the first turn (leaving either Tamamo or Asclepius to get chucked), with Para's bond CE, he can often charge enough on neutral class foes to loop with even Rider Ryouma as the second charge booster (more accessible than Lanling setups, comparable). And with 20% charge units in that spot (i.e. Helena, Attilla the Santa, Shakespeare, heck even Mashu), looping vs mid-HP berserkers is even possible.
So basically, Paracelsus' bond CE opens up some possibilities if you happen to have it (or want to work toward it). I already had it up because he was my first means to Skadi loop with a (not great) setup of him and Double Skadi and Zerkerlot. Way better with Waver or MLB Kscope, similar limitations here, but you can make F2P or near F2P options work too. You might also be able to find a Tamamo with her bond CE from a friends list, which should similarly help looping consistency.
Don't forget about the free 5 star ticket coming up this next Spring! Tamamo or Waver would help with this looping setup if you need that last piece as well as just being great supports in general.
From my own test runs, the only class that Chen can reliably loop using budget supports is caster. For this setup, you can give him Painting Summer CE and charge his np on the first turn with friend's Waver. For the ammo, I use Hans, Asclepius and Santa Altera. Here's how you buff him, on the first turn, buff him with all of Paracel's skills. After that swap with Hans with The Merciless One CE and give Chen a passive 10% np charge using Hans' third skill. During the second wave, Asclepius will come replace Hans and he should give Chen 20% np and buff his np gain. If you don't have a second copy of mlb Merciless One you can use mlb Battle of Camlann here. Chen would probably need an additional np charge so use Chen's second skill. At the third wave, Altera will replace Asclepius and Altera np charge from her first skill should be enough for Chen. Buff Chen's np using Altera second skill and you're ready to go. Unfortunately, if the enemy hp is above 100k this will not work due to no class advantage. But hey at least you have a reliable 3 turn QP dailies team
I hate myself for burning my 2nd MLB copy of The Merciless One but I don't even think Chen Gong was a thought yet
damn dude... you never burn a 5 star CE unless you are mega whale and even then event CE is a no no, I just feelbad that I missed the Merciless event and now I will never have this awsome CE, camelot MLB sucks so much the diference between 15 and 20 is insane
The real hard part about this setup is finding that Support List Tamamo
Some of them are still around. You’ll find them eventually.
They are like an endangered species after the castorias devoured their natural habitat. It is a shame that it is not the 1st time that the tamamo species have been driven out of their homes by the saberface species.
My chen gong team composition comprises of arash(1/1/10), casgil(5/5/8), chen gong(1/1/5), Ryouma(10/2/10),friend support waver(10/10/10), and an extra slot for any servant that i have and for mystic code i use fragment of 2004(must be lvl 10). The point of this team comp is double dps and a backup overcharge for effect got chen gong's np.
Arash has imaginary element, casgil has dive to blue, chen gong has kscope, ryouma has battle of camlann, friend support waver and the last servant can have any ce
So first wave, use arash's 3rd skill and chen's 2nd skill to charge np battery and chen's 3rd skill again to strengthen arash's np damage to clear the wave, damage can go from 28-30k neutral damage(and 50k damage on effective targets if ever u faced one)
Second turn, use all the skills of casgil and ryouma to increase damage and charge up chen's np and use the np gain up skill of fragment of 2004. Chen's np damage can go from 48-50k neutral damage and 88-90k damage on effective targets. Chen's np battery will be 50-60% this includes battle of camlann.
Also this is the part where the extra overcharge effect comes. by charging cas gils np battery, u can have a backup np for the next turn, but the catch here is that u need to make an arts chain with a cas gil arts card to make this work.
And so the 3rd turn. using waver's skills, charge chen gong's np and use the first skill of fragment of 2004 to increase np damage. Np damage of chen can go from 90-100k damage on neutral damage and 160-180k damage effective targets. If u have cas gils np ready by this turn,u can use it to have an overcharge effect on chen's np for extra damage.
Note: if u have cas gils bond ce, u can use him as support instead of backup np/overcharge for Chen's np since it gives 20%np strength to all ally when he is on the field. This can improve the damage of arash's and chen's np. Im still bond level 5 on cas gil cus i got him a week ago.
Yeap, this looks about right based on my own testing with The Gong, so grats on making Gong work on a budget! I can say that If you have at least a Tam or Waver you could use Ryouma and Gong's own NP Chargers Wave one to get 100% NP, then use his, Para's, Waver's/Tam's, and whatever Friend Support you wish Skills alongside Battle of Cams. to get a Tri-Loop with a bit more meat on its bones Damage-wise against all Classes (assuming Three Enemies per wave), but it's still fairly rough going.
Honestly, those without the means to do a Whale Gong Tri-Loop should look towards making him works as a Duo Looper, with a Buster AoE NPer for the tactician to buff with his S3 after he kills his second support. The Damage will still be pretty poor unless you have something like Ajurna Alter as your final ace to bring out for Wave 3, but such a set up is a lot more flexible to work with and more accommodating to a variety of Mystic Codes and CEs to work off on.
This is my exact set up and honestly seeing these reactions is kinda funny
Asc1 Tam? I see a truly cultured man here.
I spent about 120sq and 25 tickets trying to get Arjuna Alter, and I didn't get a single Asclepius on the process, so that "budget" setup might not be as easy.
That is unlucky. You think it would be fairly easy to get at least one copy, being a 3 star and all.
Same
There's a class summoning right now and Asclepius is in it today I'm not sure whether the caster class summoning banned will come back but roll when you can
I believe you can Replace Tamamo with Castoria. They have the same Art buff (50%). And Castoria also fills the role of Aclepius w/ her 20% Battery (+NP gain).
Castoria just made Tamamo and Aclepius irrelevant.
Welp, this can actually work...
Now all I need to do is find a Kscope to slap Gong with
If you have Imaginary Element you can use Castoria here now. Use Castoria S2 and Chen S2. You still fire that NP, also Castoria makes Tamamo and Asclepius Irrelevant.
I have a Chen set up that makes use of only one painting summer and the rest of the CE are bond+ CE's, I wonder if I should make a vid about it. :v
Someone in the comment section already made one, but go ahead. This comp is outdated a few months ago.
What would be a good replacement for sakamoto? I don't have it
Any 20% charger, preferably with some sort of damage buff. So, Helena, Kiichi Hougen, etc. If you really don't have anyone, Mash and Shakespeare would work. It would be the least damage set up tho.
@@o0dragonking0o90 thanks
I don't have a scope, but I do have waver. Is there a way to make Gong loop with that?
If you have an MLB Imaginary Element, you can use Gong 2nd Skill on the first loop instead. Obviously, you shouldn't use Ryoma as the second bullet if that is the case. Haven't tested it yet, so try to figure out what will happen yourself. Good luck.
@@o0dragonking0o90 I'm missing 2 IE for that unfortunately. But I think I can still make it works somehow. I have Lan Ling as well, haven't maxed out his battery skill though.
@@iamthezero2621 Since you can always Stella or Para the first wave, maybe you could make a 2-turn loop somehow. Well, good luck again.
I got you fam. Found a way.
slot 1: Waver, 20% NP on death CE.
slot 2: Gong, Painting Summer CE (MLB, very important, barely enough arts/NP gain to loop, especially on wave 2)
slot 3: Tamamo, CE doesn't matter. Swap out for backline (slot 6) Paracelsus (requires his bond CE). Could alternatively borrow a friend's Tamamo with her bond CE, have her start in slot 6 and swap her and Paracelsus the other direction.
slot 4: Asclepius, battle of Camlann CE (MLB)
slot 5: any 20% NP boosting ally. I literally used Mashu for it to test, but others would be better for damage (Lanling, Helena, Attila the Santa, etc.)
slot 6: either Paracelsus or Tamamo as discussed in slot 3.
I tested this vs the daily assassin expert training grounds. Granted, my Gong is already grailed to 90, so the overkill required to make it work might not be easy, but it is possible, even just F2P + being lucky enough to have Waver. If grailing isn't accessible but you find the overkill short, maybe using the mystic code attack for an early wave and/or leveling the CE (despite being not a great one to level due to split att/hp stats) might help.
I didn't have to use his second skill to charge another 10%, but barely didn't have to between both waves 1-2 and 2-3. There's not much room for error. At least vs assassins. Probably would not work vs berserkers. Might work vs neutral classes. Should work vs casters. Damage is still pretty limited. But, now you at least have a possible Gong looping kit to work with! :)
@@jonathandwilliams2885 Thanks for the detailed write up. I really appreciate it. I don't have the 20% on death ce but since you said you didn't have to use Gong's 2nd skill this should be doable with Camlann.
I kinda got Waver day one
But kscope year 1.5
Then Painting Summer will work on the first wave. There is a guy named Jimi in the comment section with a much more detailed video on his channel.
@@o0dragonking0o90 It's alright, I was just here out of curiosity, I currently have Nito and DaVinci Lily too, so I just use one more AOE with a starting charge or their own battery third round and that usually works out
Can you give what CEs everyone had
It is at the end of the video, dude.