This Heater could **** you while Winter Camping!
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- Опубліковано 2 жов 2024
- Winter Camping is a growing trend and I just want everyone to be safe and know of the dangers that are out there. I want more kids to get involved with the outdoors with fishing and camping... BUT please be SAFE!!
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ive been in 1500-1600 PPM room before. Threw up within 20 minutes of working, headache for an hour or so. Brother in law was running a forklift in a small room, he said it would be fine. the detector was broken. we were rebuilding a carwash. I was young and inexperienced.
Getting time to repost this one. Hard water coming very soon. This is such an awesome awareness video Clayton. ❤️✌️👍
Agreed!
@ReelLifeWithMike getting some shout-outs from good-guy Clayton. People lifting people. So good to see
Thanks for doing this I get a headache by 3pm and I'm on my buddies about this. I'm switching to my diesel heater.
It’s an important conversation to have, as it’s truly a silent killer. The NIOSH 8 hr average exposure limit is set at 35 ppm, which would be easy to exceed if proper ventilation isn’t used. We always should remember CO is a poison and can accumulate in your bloodstream over time. Cheers and good information.
Amazing video. Maybe you should display your findings on an Excel chart to really drive home the importance of how lethal a sunflower can be.
Great video Clayton. Also remember that CO2 is heavier than oxygen. The reading on top of that bucket is less than the entire area below it. So when you opened the door it probably wafted up to you, and you took a big hit.
You've done a lot of great videos over the years, Clay, but let this be your legacy. You've saved lives with this video. A lot of people needed to see this and you're absolutely the guy to bring the message. Thank you!!!
Saved lives ? Seriously that statement is comical. Are you wanting to suck his stove pipe?
What?
This has been done MULTIPLE times, by multiple people.
I mean I like the guy and his content, but this is simply a repeat of the same old stuff. Anyone who doesn't already know this, just doesn't care to.
Great video Clayton. Thank you for highlighting a very serious concern for anglers and campers. Tight lines!
Kudos to you, Clayton, for taking a moment to help keep people safe. You continue to be such a stand up dude. Great content as always. I hope you and your family have a safe and wonderful holiday season.
You might have just saved someone’s life with this video Clayton thanks for sharing.
Crazy to see how fast both heaters build up co ppm... sunflower used to be my main overnight heater due to its reliability and relatively smaller footprint. And I have even used both of these heaters at the same time overnight on real cold nights. Scary to think how dangerous it could have been. Good thing we usually don't sleep much and fish for the better part of the night...I guess the pee breaks saved our butts..lol. Thanks for doing this Clayton!! Very good information!! 👍
It’s one of those things that a person always overlooked. But it only takes one slip up and boom….
@Clayton Schick Outdoors for sure! Gotta be so aware out there! Thanks again for the much needed reminder and info! Stay safe out there and Merry Christmas!!! :)
Ya last season I thought the vents in a quick fish 3 would be good for air for a sunflower. I was wrong. Luckily I woke up to pee as the flame was lifting off the burner due to no oxygen in the space. I felt real funny and couldn't really think lol. Dodged a bullet that nite and approach the whole thing much different now. Keep up the good work and hard fishing brother! Peace from the INW
@@LuRanOutdoors the heater would put you to sleep with the carbon monoxide.. 😉 all seriousness I had an issue with my gas furnace in my home and my carbon monoxide detector went off. It's kinda scary. Ultimately any heat generated by a gas propellent should run with the utmost respect.
@@andrewpansch7447 Totally! 100 percent agree!!
Clayton, this was a great video and informative but can you do this study again but with the vents open as most people will have vented tents and shacks
I can't believe you lasted as long as you did in the sunflower shack. I've kept a pop up heated that way for a toilet shack in the past and I couldn't even get a single full breath.
I didn't really realize it until I came out and was like wow, I just got hammered with the lack of O2
Always crack those vents boys
My buddy heater blew up last year in my brand new otter. Brand new otter toasted! 😢
Thanks for putting this one together. Love your fish vids but this video is great for safety and I may just have stayed alive a little longer !
Great P.S.A. CLAY....
I DONT THINK ENOUGH PEOPLE THINK ABOUT THIS DANGER ON THE ICE. WELL DONE TEST !!!!
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Great video Clayton, you may have just saved a life with that knowledge provided, because of your position on youtube this will be very effective as it will get passed along among us ice fishermen outdoor enthusiasts, and we educate new people to the hobby well beyond this video. Cheers and Mery christmas 🎄
Merry Christmas to you!
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This was incredibly informative. Well done Clayton!
Kudos to you Mr. Schick for your public safety announcement and research. No fish is worth anyone's life!
Would be interesting to see how the sunflower type did with open vents or half opened door.
All professional youtubers should be preaching safety its a must as a lot of people look for advice and tips on you tube myself included i always have both vents open and one of the doors cracked a little bit when sleeping id rather wake up a little chilly then wake up dead.😁 Great job Clayton.
I agree very much!
Do it with some ventilation next time. Excellent video Clayton thanks for sharing with us.
Yes, I would like to see the results from that as well :)
Safety 3rd from Capt Clay.. I gotcha big fella .. buddy on order
Thank you what a great experiment, this definitely gives us a great insight. I have both heaters. great video
100% Just want people to be aware that is all.
You can never be too long when it comes to preaching safety. Just remember the alternative, you're a long time taking a dirt nap. Glad to see that you took the lead in promoting this safety.
Merry Christmas all.
Thanks Clayton for all you do promoting the GREAT OUTDOORS.
So true!! Merry Christmas!
Great video Clay. Thanks for this info!
Clayton have you considered trying a diesel cab heater? Or maybe testing one?
Best video u have ever done
awesome vid! sun flowers nice to have to save a day of fishing since the mr buddy is so unreliable but def a better option! my question is….. why is there not a better option the only mr buddies…..
One of the best ice fishing videos I’ve ever watched. Clayton Thank You for doing this video and speaking out about the safety side of our sport!
Still always bring a carbon monoxide detector when doing overnight trips, even with a Buddy Heater. Always better to have more safety devices than not enough. Don't want to get caught with a faulty low oxygen sensor. Great informative video. Be safe out there everyone!
Many years ago my buddy and I were fishing overnight and drinking way too much whisky. Both passed out. I woke up in a bit of a stupor to see the sunflower burning, but not in the unit. The base of the flames only started about 6” above the top of the unit. Drunk me thought that’s weird, better have a dart. Tried lighting a smoke, and as you mentioned, the lighter wouldn’t work. That’s when I realized what was happening, so I woke up Jonny and opened the door. Almost instantly the flames from the heater disappeared and the heater began normal operation. Scared the snot out of us being so close to having never woke up again.
Great video Clayton🫂 thank you for taking the time to do this experiment. This will definitely open everyone's eyes to be safer❤️ Very awesome of you🤘
Thanks for the heads up Clayton!
Good video, take pride in helping others stay safe!
Merry Christmas everyone!
In our HAZMAT operations and general alarms in which we attend, the TLV (Threshold Limit Value) of CO is 25PPM which is the “Safe/Unsafe” zone of a general 8 hour workday. Anything above 25PPM we will immediately evacuate that area. Key to remember is CO is slightly lighter than air so the CO will be mixed evenly with a fan making the myth of “keeping the monitor low” a complete myth. Think ahead and stay safe 👨🚒
You would know exactly how dangerous it can be then!! Scary...
Love the video showing awareness ! Better learning now then seeing it on a Headline on the news. Merry Christmas buddy 🙏🏼
My uncle was fishing all day and he thought he was running out of propane bc his sunflower was dying out. He opened the door to his tent to run out and get something and the flower instantly fired back up, bc of lack of oxygen in the tent. Play safe everyone! Also in Winnipeg a couple died from their heater. They weren’t getting the proper gas/oxygen mix which will produce more CO2 than usual.
Almost every year there seems to be a death. Always be safe :)
snowmobile ripping across the lake at 100mph at night has taken out several ice fishermen near me in the last couple years. reflective material and even external lights are great for safety!
i had low o2 in my shanty 1 time heater went out we noticed instantly cracked the door
I really appreciate the preaching on ice camping safety as I plan on doing my first ice camping trip this winter, however I'll be in a permanent shack with a wood stove vs propane heat.
Have you ever tried running an inverter from a Dakota Lithium where you could plug in a ceramic heater that would just run of the battery? I'm not sure if it would keep you warm over night but just a thought?
This is an extremely important topic. Thank you for addressing it. What’s I also find terrifying is the breath(second hand smoke) of a smoker can be as high and even higher than 100 PPM of carbon monoxide. Many people smoke in their huts and although it’s not a sustained exposure with smoking it’s scary how potent the co level can be just from smoking.
Really hey? That is very interesting!!
Dang I never took that into consideration before 😮
I’m glad I read this comment
Haven't finished watching the video yet but just wanted to say thanks for doing this test man. Its gonna be great info for a lot of new people.
So why was the Big Buddy shutting off?? I know technically why, but we all fish way more than 1 hour at a time without it shutting off. I’ve never seen it shit off in your other videos. I’ve had mine for over 10 years in an insulated Otter and it’s never shut off. It’s just interesting that it shut off for this video.
Because all the vents were sealed, meaning if you aren’t careful and take cation it could cause issues
The pilot + PTO system on the buddy heaters is very trustworthy. Its actually mandatory to have the same low oxygen shut off system on newer gas powered water heaters for your home.
18:03 NGL i was worried you were going to pass out.
What I'd love to do is retro fit a small slide in camper specifically for winter camping and just use it as a base camp while its on the truck as i fish all day with the snowmobile. I could litteraly go and fish and travel anywhere and be comfortable sleeping at the same time.
very interesting stuff, it would be interesting to see any of the other levels inside the tent. maybe if you had a friend that does Hvac work and has a combustion analyzer that can check oxygen levels, see if you could borrow that. as a Hvac person myself it would be really interesting to see. CO while it is dangerous is only part of the story. O2 or deprivation is another part and is equally as dangerous. im not sure exactly of the numbers on it but I know lack of oxygen for a prolonged period of time can lead to brain damage and in sever situations even death.
Ice fishing needed this video Clayton.
Great video Clayton! I shared it to the Ice fishing South Dakota page on Facebook. 35 years ago we didn't have the Big Buddy option. I had a 4x8 wood pop up with canvas and the kerosene Coleman lantern (with the mantles) would go dim and I would start pumping it up but no change. I would crack the little window and instantly it would get brighter. A person just doesn't realize how much O2 is being robbed until you see stuff like that. Stay safe! Tight lines bud! MERRY CHRISTMAS!
I love my Mr.heater buddy. Kept me warm on some blistering cold days. Would appreciate a new one but mines working awesome. I'll need a new shack soon but it's still holding on lol. Merry Christmas Clayton and family!!
Don't ask me how I know this, but fart into that carbon monoxide detector.....
Comment make my night :)
Should've hooked up a fishing line to a vent flap to see how quickly if any drop in numbers. Thanks for the safety tips!
I like that idea :)
Carbon monoxide is similar to mercury in the fact that it is extremely difficult for our bodies to process or displace. Once CO binds to the hemoglobin in our blood, it takes up the "slot" that oxygen uses. CO is also 240x more attracted to your blood than regular oxygen. Be safe everyone.
Sunflower not to be used indoors
Best video I’ve watched on this topic by far! Way to go Clay! Your ice fishing content is the best on UA-cam!
Appreciate the kind words!
Wow. I spend $100 on a great ice rod but wince at $25 on kidde detector. Thanks Clayton. My hope is someone watched this and you saved a life! Most fun comes with risk know how to reduce risk and have more fun!
Right? Get a detector :)
What an good advocate for the industry. Your not being paid(other that UA-cam), goes to show you actually care about your viewers.
Appreciate the kind words. I do care 100%
Get a good bag and just shut the heat off when you go to sleep
Yup! Always an option!
Great video Clayton! I here so many people argue about these all the time. About time someone show the difference!
"Deadly" video Clayton!! Always important to use a CO monitor. Also, never leave your pet(s) in the tent while you are out hole hopping. Awesome content as usual!
thanks for this video! I have a sunflower, sometimes after hours running ill get head aches. i always vent more than i think i need but now im ordering a CM-detector.
i have seen a cpl people rig camping wood stoves with small propane elements inside, so it will heat the stove and vent the gasses. fairly easy to set up and its possible do it in a way that you can still burn wood if you wanted. Also makes cooking way easier than balancing racks on a buddy.
Yup, those heaters can be quite scary if people do not know what they are doing when they are ice camping! ALWAYS have a carbon monoxide detector when going winter ice camping! Stay safe out there this ice season!
Ehhhhhh merry Christmas an happy new year to ya an the fam cousin Clay take care out there byyyy
Merry Christmas!
I WILL NEVER USE A SUNFLOWER AGAIN!!!! When my wife and I first got into ice fishing we used one in our 8x8 pop up our first time out . After about 4 hours we both felt dizzy, natious, breathless and began to fall asleep. Recognizing something was wrong and getting close to dark any ways we decided to pack up and hike it off the ice. By the time we got back to the car approximately 1km we both felt much better. It didn't take long to realize that the heater was the cause. We had no hesitation about returning the sunflower and spending the extra money to upgrade to the Buddy. Although the sunflower definitely kicks more heat we have found a good trick is to use a thermal electric fan on top of the Buddy to circulate the heat. Lots of videos on UA-cam on how to set up and worth the extra $100. I have no doubt that if we had fallen asleep I would not be writing this right now. Be safe out there friends and thanks Clayton for this and all of your videos.
Thank you. New to ice fishing and having been contemplating a sunflower heater because you get the best bang for buck with BTUs but I didn’t even think about carbon monoxide threats. Thank you. Seriously! Have a merry Christmas :)
Sunflowers are still ok as long as you take precautions :)
I use a big buddy heater and just had a massive fireball blow up in my face a couple days ago from it. Second degree burns on my face and hands. Completely my fault. I using a 20# tank connected to one side that didn't have much lp in it so I brought a few small tanks for when it ran out. I was just about to fall asleep when I started to get cold. I noticed it was going out so I decided to add a small tank to the other side of it. In my sleepy state my stupid self didn't turn it off first. It didn't go on easily and leaked for around 2-3 seconds which was enough to make a large fireball. So just so nobody else does what I did. Make sure you TURN IT OFF before adding or removing lp. I got really lucky. Thankfully my burns even though second degree aren't too bad. Stay safe out there.
Finally someone admits that buddy heaters have problems and the sunflower is more reliable. I will continue to use my sunflower. I just think venting my tent will be enough to keep me safe. I would have liked to see what the CO detected after the door was opened for a minute or two to see how fast the levels dropped back down.
Sunflowers are way more reliable. Buddy heaters are not that dependable…. If sunflowers were not so loud I would run one more often too
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Hi Clayton, great video. As the more who are aware of the dangers, the better. I do want to bring up two points. I think it's important to discern that while the Big buddy does have the low oxygen shut off, the regular buddy does not. This can't be overlooked. Someone may bring their little buddy out, forget their Co detector and think of your video and say to themselves, "it's okay because there's low oxygen shutoff". That would still be a stupid decision as like you said, one shouldn't rely on low oxygen shut off alone but hey, you never know some people right. This bad decision maker may take out their regular Buddy and think they're safe.
That was my main reason for commenting but I have a curiosity as well. I was happy to see that you finally mentioned that both tents had their vents closed. That was a very important factor I was curious about until you did mention that. I am really curious what the experiment would show with vents open though. I will certainly do the experiment myself and by no means expect you to do this for us but I just thought it would have been the next logical test. I always hear people say that they'll leave their heater on but of course keep their vents open. So I wonder if it would have kept the ppm down in both cases. Would the Big Buddy have turned itself off or would the open vents be suffice to maintain proper oxygen levels? Would the sunflower heater have set off the detector or would the open vents be enough to keep the ppm down below that point? Would be very cool to know.
Anyway, I love your videos man. I have a couple overnight trips coming up within the next couple weeks that I'm very excited for. I love watching your videos for ideas during the ice fishing season and I love watching them out of season for the nostalgia they bring while waiting for ice.
Keep up the great work!
0h I forgot, wood stoves are also a real carbon monoxide risk as well. Just as much as the propane stoves.
Everybody preaches it but you can’t beat seeing it first hand. Don’t trust anything completely, back up your back ups. I was out camping last weekend with a friend and had my new this year big buddy on low in my tent with 1 vent open while I was hanging out fishing in my friends tent. After 2 hours I heard my co detector going off and it was almost at 70 ppm with the big buddy still running.
Don't forget humidity in the air outdoors makes a huge difference on how fast the oxygen will be depleted in your shack!!! Be smart! be safe! Have fun! Stay alive!!!!
Hey Clayton, I have some follow up qeustions on your Big Buddy heater. When you are camping or during long sessions, how often does your heater shut off on you? In this video it cut off after an hour, but I don't think I've ever seen you mention this in any camping video. Do you ever get up multiplke times in the night just to get heat again? What can someone do for ventilation to prevent this with a sunflower or Buddy heater? I think the new Big Buddy heaters are bad quality and i have a lot of issues with them, so I would like to be safe with my sunflower.
I have both models of heaters. Thanks for sharing and educating all outdoorsman. Clayton’s clinical trials results speak for themselves ❤
Good stuff Clayton I run a sunflower all year. Thanks for the information on what to look for, I have heard that they are dangerous but now I know how deadly! Thanks
Thanks for reminding me why I don't like fishing in a tent with a heater . Even with the window open I would get a headache and eyes would hurt . Get a good warm snow mobile suit and see how fast you need to take it off in a tent even on a cold day with it being closed . Merry Christmas Clayton and get out doors !
OSHA standard in the states is 50 ppm for 8 hours. So anything throwing more than that overnight is not safe. Good job showing the detectors that show levels. People need to be aware of what they're exposing themselves to in a shanty.
Good video. Never know what could happen, that why we place our faith in the one who was born today ✝️. God bless and Merry Christmas!
Better off making a small homemade.portable.wood.stove.
DUDE! let me build you a all in one diesel heater! I build super nice all in one units for ice fishing and camping! You will thank me when you have the nicest driest tent! the buddy heaters are just wet...
It is worth mentioning, there is a difference between a Carbon Monoxide Detector and "personal" Carbon Monoxide Detector. One is meant for your house the other is meant to be carried on your person. I am not advising either way but it does mention in the instructions of the House Detectors, that they are not meant for Marine applications (I am assuming inside the cabin of the boat) or small rooms. The instructions also mention not for use in less than 4 degrees. Do your own research folks and look out for each other.
I am very sensitive to being in the hut with my Little Buddy burning. If I fish for more than 2 times per week I get a very congested head and pain in my lungs. I am told that it is from the burning of the ethyl mercaptan in the propane which makes SO2 and then converts to sulfuric acid upon contact with water of moist membranes. Are you bothered by this and what is there to be done about it? Like filtering air in the tent.
We have a 20 lb cylinder with a sunflower heater and we use all the time. We dont ice camp but fish for 14 hours sometimes but with the two vents in our eskimo shelter and the fact that I am opening and closing the door often because I pop holes all over there is no chance of co2 poisoning happening but it makes you think.
There should be more videos like this I go fishing by myself all the time and finally upgrade to a buddy heater this season and it made me feel safe enough to go winter camping for the first time at the age of 13 my mom still won’t let me go fish and camp on the ice yet
nice man i was in the same boat, actually no i never had a boat mom dropped me off with the kayak just started ice fishing few years ago be careful u can easily get ahead of yourself
@@anthonylj9709 oh ya my parents and I set a rule for me to wait till 5 inches of good clear ice
@@Ben_Kasper nice man goodluck
Thank you for showing the danger of CO (Carbon Monoxide) poisoning, and our most common heaters that sportsmen use.
Even with the low oxygen shutoff I wouldn't feel safe running a Buddy heater overnight while I'm sleeping.
Very good information thank you for sharing this Clayton I'm one of the people that uses a sunflower heater when I'm ice fishing I've never had any good luck with the Buddy heaters. When I use my sunflower I keep one of my windows open in my Hut almost completely. However I do not sleep with my sunflower when I'm ice camping
For sure, there is no doubt the sunflowers work WAY better! Vents open are for sure needed with a sunflower.
Same here. One door is always partially open. Sunflower is super reliable and throws off so much heat. Big buddies have been a nightmare for me with regards to dependability.
I also don't sleep, I fish all night and get out to stretch my legs a lot.
@@ClaytonSchickOutdoors definitely got to keep the vents clear and open like I said I usually have one of my windows open almost completely and I also forgot to mention I don't always seal my Hut to the ice with snow
@@Van020280 I've heard of quite a few people that do not like the dependability of the Big Buddy Heater so we're not the only ones. Yeah if I'm up there to fish at night I'm usually fishing and not sleeping very much. Also it wouldn't be a bad idea for these manufacturers of the ice fishing Huts to add a few more vents in the top would not be a bad idea.
Did you do the test with ventilation open in both tents? Just curious if they were both closed up?
Great video but now you have more experiments to conduct. For instance, it was steamy in there because you were running it on high with no vents open. If you weren’t running it as high with vents open would the ppm get that high? I use my Mr.Heater all the time in my garage on low and never a problem. Granted the garage is bigger and not as sealed as the tent you were using.
Anyone ever try a electric fireplace for ice camping??? Definitely would have to run a generator outside but at least you can charge batteries and run lights off the generator..
With the popularity if winter camping seems like Mr. Heater could come up with some sort of direct vent version of a portable heater that could be vented out a door or window of the tent with a flexible pipe or something.
After an incident at work with a broken part on a propane forklift; I spoke to the attending firefighters and they said they would put their respirators on at 30ppm.
New videos on Christmas Eve. Good times, very helpful content for new to ice camping folks.
So happy you made this vid very informative detailed and honest. I have used the sunflower, it puts out good heat but i definitely feel a little funny after using it in a hut. I have since switched to a buddy style heater
That's pretty crazy... nothing to mess around with for sure. I actually had the same thing happen to me with the cigarette
Wow. I've been using a sunflower for years with the vets open. I've had only one experience where I didn't have it vented and it was wild.
I did buy a diesel heater and love it.
I always keep my vents open and a window above my head open while ice camping, keep that fresh air coming in at all times, never once had issues or my alarm go off
Nothing better then sitting in a smelt shack for 12 hours getting high off kerosene heaters and drunk from Allens brandy.
Wow! Thxs for sharing I always wondered about the buddy heaters and how well the alarms works.
Love watching the fishing videos Clayton, but this is a very important topic, good job man !
I think the mistake that most people make is assume that the vents is all that is needed. For the vents to vent air out you need an opening to replace the vented air. I always leave a door cracked open on the bottom and my co detector always reads 0. This is with a buddy heater.