I thought freestylers always wanted their own hub where people could queue, so the other hubs can be contained as normal. I don't understand why Psyonix never did something for the freestyle community to resolve this issue.💜
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I have said this many times and I'm gonna say it again. Freestylers needs their own category where they can show off their skills without disturbing the beginners. This catagory will be diffrent where every move like reset or air dribble has its own point and the winner is the one who has the most points. It's 100% possible because we saw somthing like this in other games like BMX 2.
There is one. Its called accepting your wins, lol. The only thing that caused this "downfall" was purposefully tanking rank so they would be against freshies who couldn't even come close to defending themselves. All they have to do is take the W's. Easy solution that some (not all) freestylers couldn't grasp.
The way JZR would just land on his back and let the opponent walk it in was sad. Dude definitely had the mechanics to recover but was using this as a loophole to keep his 1s rank shamefully low @@the_str4ng3r
I think what the early freestylers were doing just became normal mechanics for pros and ssls. As more players became skilled enough to use those mechanics, freestylers had to start smurfing to produce the same level of clips. Daniel's recent goal against GenG is a great example. 5 years ago, that would have been classified as freestyling. Today, it's just a mechanical marvel in a pro match.
"You can't ban us for breaking the rules by smurfing! We have rules of our own that require us to smurf!" Hold on a sec, gotta pick up my eyes, they just rolled out of my head...
Awesome but video but I have to correct you on 3:07 the "Zen" you're referring to is Zenulous, not the professional Zen. Let's not have people saying Zen was on pulse
OG freestyling by Jhzer and MK were great. They played in their own ranks and tried to come up with cool goals. Nowadays I’d agree with the majority having high level players “clip” on someone you can see struggling to do basic mechanics is pathetic. You don’t need to drop your rank to do cool shots and tbh they make the shots a lot better watching players make smart decisions trying to save the ball. Look at Evample or Jhzer/MK recently they both grinded to SSL and made some nice 2s plays against their ranks.
That only goes so far so they have to smurf at some point, Like Evample has been doing the same freestyle shots for years now. Besides his style only works in 1s where you can freestyle regardless of rank, in 2s you couldn't do that same series. Defense just gets too good at high ranks, it's not that the freestylers don't have good enough mechanics, it's just that the defenders are too good. If you are purposely being as inefficient as possible you probably won't score. So they absolutely have to drop rank in order to hit anything more complex than what people have been hitting for years now
@@ragegaze3482Yep, and it's an actual paradox. In order to create enough time and space to freestyle you're pretty much required to be significantly better than your opponent, which means you're no longer playing at your rank. Like Vamp doing 'freestyle to SSL' is still kinda heavy smurfing but people don't complain as much because maybe they don't understand just how 'tall' SSL actually is
@@thegauntlet90 People don't complain about evample's freestyle to ssl because he actually tries to win his games. He's going for crazy shots instead of free open nets, but he's still trying to win, just with a different playstyle. There's a reason why the youtube series is seasonal, because he uses the seasonal mmr reset to be a lower rank again instead of losing 50 games in a row on purpose.
@@ragegaze3482 I don't see why this makes it necessary for them to smurf. If they want to freestyle, they simply have to commit to only freestyling on their account with party members so as to not throw. That way you never rank up far enough anyway because you're not going to win very much when freestyling, and you'll just end up with an unorthodox playstyle in a rank where you win 50/50. Either that or play casuals to freestyle.
It does suck that freestyling is dying cause of this change but when I was in lower ranks and getting alts freestyling on me very few of them were nice people. 90% of people smurfing trying to get clips get mad when your just trying to play the game then get toxic. Yea people would still be mad at getting clipped on and not being able to do anything but most of the time I didn’t care that much I just played to win still. Even in champ to gc you still get these high level players getting mad cause they can’t clip on you for free, then proceeding to say some horrible things. It does suck it’s dying but at the same time I can see why.
Idk about anyone else, but personally I like watching higher ranked freestyle clips from GC or SSL more than the ones where they try do as many mechanics as possible with 100 boost or even with unlimited. It's just more fun to see what can be done against proper opponents and I see it as an even bigger flex compared to getting like 6 resets and a musty and shit like that.
Freestyle needs it's own playlist to exist. Something like this: Think Tony hawk's Pro Skater, but back when it was good: You get infinite boost and it's your ball for one shot. You score points on combos, touches, Pogos, flip resets, double taps, ceiling shot etc...But other guy gets to defend his net and if you don't score you don't land it. Trade shots and at the end the guy with more banked points wins the match. It doesn't have to run on game time, it could be attempts.
I also think when Psyonix made clear freestyling in lower ranks on purpose contributed to the "fall" of freestyling, but not just falling but creating the branch of clip hitting, or competitive clip hitting, also that might have been due to pros start showing freestyle shots on highest level were a thing and that people with real skill could perform them against anyone they faced. Unless other freestylers which had the mechanics but had to go lower and lower down the ranks when aerial play defending was easier because of their lack of gamesense.
To be honest. A clip against a good player is cool and a clip against some who can’t aerial is just as good as a training clip so I actually feel like this was the right decision and people just took it poorly. Counterpoint, a casual playlist should not be used to see what level you are. If they just removed skill based matching in casual then it would be fine but no game developer thinks that’s a good idea for some reason. Unfortunate.
"it's just a game"... geez... cant stress well enough how much this game means to me. freestyling was my passion, after epic bought RL from Psyonix things went down REALLY fast.. i genuinely miss Rocket League old days... it used to be so much fun...
I'm okay with smurfing, personally. I hit a GC in my gold/plat lobbies every once in awhile and it's pretty fun. I get stomped, but if i play my heart out, i can maybe score a goal or have a couple cool saves. I like the challenge & the learning experience.
Removing smurfing way more important than making freestylers happy. Rocket league is one of very few games in which everybody’s experience depends on skill-based match making.
I remember seeing some of the coolest freestyle clips ever… Then TAS came out and my mind was blown past the point of simple free styling or even what’s realistic. I thought this video would be about how TAS replaced heat of the moment talent. This video was still super dope and worth watching.
I think the problem tournaments is the expectation that players will be able to hit shots they spend 10s of hours going for, in the time span of a 15 shots. If you look at rlfx for example, these players only get 1 or 2 shots in per month with some hitting over 100 hours in that month, being able to hit a crazy shot in 15 shots just isn't enough time. The bar was set too high.
You’ve hit the nail on the head, and when u couple that with LAN pressure that players haven’t experienced at all, it’s totally understandable that they don’t all their shots all of the time.
@@ripit.3457 i dont mean the player count. Rocket League is a timeless game and there will always be people who play it. Im talking about content creation, trading and freestyling. And how these aspects of rocket league are slowly losing popularity. Epic games kiled 1/3 of the playerbase by removing trading (these people still play but dont get on as much). And content creators seem to run out of ideas because all we get every season is an old map with grass on it. And freestyling is and will prob forever be fun, but overall I dont see the future in this game that we saw when psyonix was still around. And thats why it seems pointless to me
When I first got into this game was right around the time when they did the Ford invitational with the Mustang and the Mach E. When was the most recent contest like this held? I saw the Pulse Thrustmaster split but nothing since. And that was a while ago now.
@@mouldy_shoe nah I think that's it, I had a bit of a look on liqui. From that one I could find a short video about it from Musty but not the full stream of the actual event.
I think if u check the vods on the official rocket league twitch it should be in there somewhere, otherwise just search up nrg freestyle comp and hopefully something comes up
ngl i dont see any issue in dropping casual MMR for it all but doing it in ranked is so trashy, like congrats you hit a triple reset on a player that doesnt even know they can double jump
Easier to say it than to experience it. When I started playing RL my first week was filled with mostly freestylers, I wasn't even at a bronze level and I was getting them in my games. All I could do at the time was sit in nets and watch them clip on me. I literally stopped playing and had no intentions of giving this game another shot, it was my friends who pushed me to continue playing it otherwise I wouldn't have endured it for as long as I did until I started playing more with players my own skill level.. So I'm willing to bet RL lost a good chunk of new players due to how common it was for them to run into freestylers.
@@MoreTickle when I first started playing I went against a few freestylers, I found it fun watching them and rooting for them to hit the shot. I was amazed at what they could do. Probably the only reason I kept playing
Some people just wanna chill. Hopping on when you can barely jump to get consistently reset on has turned off many friends I've had from starting the game.
had the opposite effect for me, made me wanna play even more and become as good as they were. i'd understand if it was almost every game against a freestyler but thats rare or it is for me at least, i rarely come up against other freestylers and you could always play ranked too@@MoreTickle
LAN freestyling was always likely to be a disappointment, as youtube clips can be culled from hundreds of attempts into an unbroken string of perfection, but the process of generating those clips in real time is nowhere near as entertaining as the final product.
it was honeslty kinda sad how people turned on freestyling like that, like would the pro scene ever have gotten to where it is without those freestylers?
Still I dont see where it is a question, if Freestylers should be allowed to freestyle on players 4 ranks lower than them. Its still smurfing and if you hit a clip on a person that cant defend anyways you could alsp just freestyle in freeplay and have the same difficulty. Nice video btw, Speech has a pretty nice voice
When you freestyle at a lower mmr, some games the freestyler wins and sometimes the other player wins. Its just that freestylers want to get down to a lower rank really fast, or have an extremely low mmr which is not good. Playing against gold players works the best as freestylers only win about 50% of the time.
Minor correction/different point of view i suppose. I find it weird to say smurfing or dropping rank when its in casual. most freestylers are clipping in casual and so realistically it shouldnt mean anything. also a shame that the CCH community gets lumped in with most freestylers when we play at a high/higher level of ranked for clips because clipping on golds looks bad.
@@mouldy_shoe pretty sure it was because of casual from what i understood from their tweets about it. weird that freestylers would be dropping rank in the actual ranked playlist when their already -300 cas mmr
I find it sad how freestylers are shunned upon more than 14yr SSL sweats like Cam who rage at pixels on a screen. Freestylers just wanna have fun and get shunned for it.
They do that in casual, big deal whoopty doo. If new players want to improve then they can play ranked. And if they do play casual and encounter a freestyler, then they should just try and have fun. If I saw someone hitting crazy shots in a lobby I would be amazed, not crying over 5 minutes and pixels on a screen. First world complaining lmao.@@Pudding6714
Partly yes, but you do realize that high ranked players ball chase because it's the meta. There are freestylers who can hit clips in high GC like Henkovic and Jxsh, but what freestylers really want is as many opportunities as possible to hit clips, and they get that in low lobbies. Also who cares if it's a skill issue? It's not that deep. Freestylers just want to have fun and people are creating problems, aka "ur surfing" that do not exist. It's casual for a reason. Why is there no ranking system in casual? Because mmr does not matter. You can find diamonds in 1500 mmr casual, which is gc1 in comp. RL community is just toxic and thinks everything needs to be done a certain way, "no smurfing in casual" for example, when in reality it's really not a big deal.@@cytro
The downfall is upload amount and impossible to keep hitting unique shots. Most freestylers that are top level don’t upload a whole lot. Personally my favorite freestyle videos are where they compete and horse and the rlcs freestyle cup
I think what you’re getting at can somewhat be a result of the Freestyling exodus, which has contributed to less uploads by freestylers, I love those types of vids too!
Anyone that needs to shit on new players or bad players to appear good, deserve everything the freestyle community got. “ eating this hamburger only looks cool in front of a starving family. Doing it in front of another man with a hamburger wouldn’t work because he would block the perception that I’m wealthy and have a good hamburger “
I know this would get hairy but why not just add a freestyle playlist? this is obviously what casual is supposed to be for, however i've been a casual sweat for years and treat it like ranked past the 1900 MMR range
Almost no freestylers freestyle in rank. The only ones that do are competitive clip hitters. He just said rank because casual technically has a hidden rank because it's skill based matchmaking.
it's an endless cycle of bullcrap because nobody can realize the other side's points and they all just say "blah blah blah play at your own rank" without realizing that the shots we have to do take all 100 boost, tons of precision, and a perfect setup to complete the shot. And its not like we can get "crazy" shots every time, there's hundreds of fails. Doing that in any kind of competent rank is literally impossible lol. And for clips purposely hit in competitive, that's a whole different side of freestyling. In that sense, youre trying to win because it's your own rank in competitive, and the whole purpose is to outplay the other team whilst doing mechanics that are difficult to hit AT THAT RANK, not hit a crazy 8 flip reset triple musty double tap that takes 15 seconds of being in the air and easily pre-jumped, on top of most likely failing. I'm not sure why psyonix hasn't made us a mode or something yet, because there's obviously cheating in private matches & training which violate the realness of a shot. if there was a way for me to not play bronzes and have my clips be "real" still, I would do it. Its not like I get enjoyment out of trying to find a match with a bronze everyday, sometimes queuing for 20 minutes at midnight just to find another random new smurf account that ruins my setups because they need XP to smurf in ranked. I just do it so the community doesn't lash at my clip and call it fake lol, not in my control. I feel like there should me more emphasis on ranked smurfing though, because in casual you can simply just leave and move on with your day, not like the bronzes are obligated to stay in 30 minute overtimes, there is a leave match button, and you don't lose your rank. At the end of the day, there's good points on both sides, but I don't understand why there can't be a compromise mode implemented into the game for us freestylers if y'all wanna get all angry about it :p
Wah Wah I HAVE to abuse new players or I have no chance of pulling off this trick shot! So they should just be fine with letting me do whatever I want at their expense! wah wah. Cause it's OK to ruin everyone elses experience as long as YOU get to make your clips? You're trash.
@mouldy_shoe Oh my god so true, this is the most strangest RLCS season I could be supporting one team and they could be great one week and the next week just incorregible. Truly interesting
honestly casual mmr deranking shouldnt be an issue. i should be able to be a 300 mmr in cas and gc3 in comp without any second thoughts specifically so i can freestyle in casual, where the game doesnt matter, but also play competitively in 2's, 3's, 1's, dropshot, hoops, etc.
all in all it does seem like psyonix made the right decision in banning players that were lowering their rank on purpose. I get its a game and if the other person is better you obviously deserve to lose, but sometimes you might still have a chance to win against these guys if they only go for clips. but when the person your up against is within the top 0.05% of players, and is so far beyond you and everyone else mechanically that you don't even have a realistic shot at even scoring 1 goal, it ruins the game, it ruins the experience, and it can cause players to leave a game. Ultimately killing it if they don't take action. ideally, the rank that displays should be as close as your "real" rank as possible. when it comes to making a game thrive, smurfing ruins things for both the game and the players. nobody wants to be on the receiving end of a smurf, it takes away any of the fun. and it also takes away from trying to learn something from that specific game because the level of play is so advanced, low elo players aren't gonna understand what they're watching or how to play against it if they've never seen anything like it. sitting there and wondering when the game will be over after you realize you lost the game before it even started. feels like wasted time. It's especially bad on League as 1 game against a smurf could be 30+ minutes wasted on a game that you were going to lose no matter what. SBBM is a great thing, high level players just don't like it cause they're used to a near 100% winrate. Smurfing is bad and should be banned. no if's and's or but's about it. people get on a game to have fun, not to be tortured by a top 1% player. top 1%, is top 1% for a reason. its like putting an NBA team against your local high school's team.
I think Freestyling is cool but as somebody who is sitting mid Diamond - low Champ, I really don't think it's cool for those players to drop down to Plat / Gold ranks just to hit clips on people. It's tough because I respect what Freestylers do and I for sure want them to continue to to have a place to do what they do, but at the same time the Ranked experience is important, and I don't think that anybody should have the right to ruin other people's game experience for the sake of showing off their skills. If you wanna Freestyle, that's cool, but it'd be better if you did it in Champ or something. I understand that Freestylers don't want opponents who will challenge them, because they want space to hit their shots, but frankly the *point* of Freestyling is to hit shots against actual people who are actually trying to save your shots. If you want your opponents to sit back in net, you might as well just be hitting shots in Free Play. You can't sit here and say "Freestylers need to play against actual opponents for it to be legitimate," but then turn around and expect your "actual opponents" to just let you hit shots on them over and over again. It's totally possible to Freestyle against Champs / GCs because I've seen people hit crazy shots against me / higher ranked players. To me, that seems like the ideal way to Freestyle, because you're not just hitting great shots but you're doing it against great defenders. I don't Freestyle, so idk maybe people think that's an L take, but as a Ranked grinder, this seems to be the best solution. I have nothing against Freestylers, but I do have a problem with smurfs.
Nah, I'm a champ freestyler and I do exactly what you say, hit decent clips in comp against people my own rank and hit even better clips in freeplay, never touched casual lol
@@isaakvandaalen3899 i didnt wnna get all nerdy but a couple things 1. "but frankly the point of Freestyling is to hit shots against actual people who are actually trying to save your shots." if this is true explain to me how the point of every freestyle tournament ever is solely about giving freestylers the space to hit whatever shot they can 2. im not even saying that ur saying this, but people REALLY need to understand that freestylers aren't hitting clips on low mmr players in casual just because we like shitting on people who cant save our goals. i have no idea how this idea even started because it literally makes no sense. like bro i know that this random guy in casual named CoolPear293 will never save any of my good attempts, but im not doing it because i think it's cool or something to clip on people who i know stand no chance, im simply doing it because it still counts as a real game (i explain this later) 3. ive never understood how us playing in low level casual is considered as "smurfing." yes, there is casual mmr that determines who u play against, but it never gets associated with a specific rank like it does in competitive. in my understanding, smurfing is when you're playing in real games that have real stakes which could potentially ruin someone's real rank, of which there are none (ranks) in casual 4. this part is not a very strong argument but is important nonetheless: it is INCREDIBLY rare for a player to get into a game with freestylers. the ratio of regular players to freestylers is so incredibly small that most players in casual probably wont even meet a freestyler in the first place. however, ive seen multiple people claim that they "have friends who quit the game because they got freestyled on in casuaL!!!! OMG FREESTYLERS ARE SATANIC!!!!!!!" that's equivalent to me saying that i would quit the game because i lost a singular, trivial game of comp where i got smurfed on. but does that sound logical at all? (surprise, it doesnt). and, at the same time, i see so many people say that because casual players have no idea what's going on, it's morally wrong to clip on them... if they have no idea what's going on, what difference does it make if i hit a corner on them or if they get beat by other casual players? i need someone to tell me plz 5. and finally, ill address the extremely popular idea that freestylers should just hit clips in training because it makes no difference playing there than in games where the casual opponents cant defend. there are a few important facets to this, one being the fact that when playing in casual games you kind of replicate the flow of a normal game while still allowing for freestyles to spontaneously happen in the spur of the moment, adding a sort of randomness and luck element to it (while this is very subjective, and that many shots that are planned beforehand are still very good, i think many would agree that the best freestyle goals happen when the goal isnt planned out beforehand). also, if im playing in training or private matches, i can much more easily fake a clip than i could if i had played in a real match, especially with the tools available these days. another thing that isnt as important but is still important is that if im playing in training and i hit a clip, that eliminates the possibility of me saving the replay file for the clip, allowing me to go back and record that shot without the HUD on. yes, i could shadowplay it, but almost every official freestyle montage released in the past 2893 years has been made by using rocket league's surprisingly good replay system. YES I KNOW U CAN SAVE REPLAYS IN PRIVATE MATCHES, BUT I OFTEN FIND MYSELF HITTING MORE CLIPS SPONTANEOUSLY IN TRANING/CUSTOM TRAINING THAN I DO IN PRIVATE MATCHES!!!L>>>> to be honest with you, as long as freestyling exists, this problem will never get fully resolved, and freestylers will always hit clips in casual just how CSGO clip hitters will always use cheats to hit clips in game, but i suppose it helps to try and justify it rather than just forcing people to accept it. that being said, i know the arguments above are at times very subjective, but i still think many of them apply even if people try to argue they don't. yap session over.
@@l1bric I think a lot of those arguments don't invalidate my own argument. Most of your points are related to freestyling in Casual gamemodes - I really don't have a serious problem with this. While in a perfect world sure I think it'd be nice if every low-level casual game was filled with genuinely low-level players, I also agree that when people queue for Casual games they're doing so with the understanding that whatever they're getting into shouldn't be taken too seriously. I very regularly play against high Champs, GCs and even the odd SSL in my Casual games and while usually they handily beat me, I'm not out here complaining about smurfs in Casuals. My problem isn't with people who Freestyle in Casual playlists, my problem is with people who Freestyle against casual players in Ranked playlists. As I said in an earlier comment, my perspective here is as somebody who mostly grinds ranked. That's where most of the value in RL lies for me, and it's what I'm most concerned about. Also to address your point 1. Freestyle tournaments are obviously different to queuing online games. In Freestyle tournaments there are a set of expectations that each competitor has, which are very different to the expectations that a Gold 3 has when they Q a game of Ranked 1v1s. As for your point 2. I agree that Freestyling is not the same as Smurfing - but you can do both at once! While I appreciate that most smurfs aren't trying to ruin the experience for others, when you play against very low MMR opponents, that's effectively what you're doing. Once again, I'm talking about Ranked here. If you want to ball out in Casuals and just do whatever, that's totally cool man.
screw freestyle friday i want f2 back but fr i think freestyling is dying because the game itself has gotten boring with nothing being added and nothing to work towards also people do not realize sometimes these shots you see take days to do and are not possible in matches if the opponent is even a tiny bit competent
I feel like it's just casual. Making casual leaving ban you also really ruined it for me. But it still makes absolutely no sense to freestyle against new players just let people freestyle by themselves alone. Psyonix should have some kind of proofing mechanism or gamemode that lets viewers of clips know it's the real deal
dude i got banned for a month today because i said mean things in chat. sorry i just need a comment section to rant. like epic really out here losing players everyday and banning the people that play the game. like not even a chat ban just a whole game ban like why.
maybe you should reflect on your actions and not cry about the consequences from them but instead better yourself and stop saying hate/slur/abusive comments in game. Use this as a means to become a better person.
so ez just make a game mode for freestylers and only freestylers, they can freestyle vs another frestylers and thats it but the game is diying, the community is diying sooo, nvm
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I thought freestylers always wanted their own hub where people could queue, so the other hubs can be contained as normal. I don't understand why Psyonix never did something for the freestyle community to resolve this issue.💜
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I have said this many times and I'm gonna say it again. Freestylers needs their own category where they can show off their skills without disturbing the beginners. This catagory will be diffrent where every move like reset or air dribble has its own point and the winner is the one who has the most points. It's 100% possible because we saw somthing like this in other games like BMX 2.
There is one. Its called accepting your wins, lol. The only thing that caused this "downfall" was purposefully tanking rank so they would be against freshies who couldn't even come close to defending themselves. All they have to do is take the W's. Easy solution that some (not all) freestylers couldn't grasp.
The way JZR would just land on his back and let the opponent walk it in was sad. Dude definitely had the mechanics to recover but was using this as a loophole to keep his 1s rank shamefully low @@the_str4ng3r
@@the_str4ng3rthey didnt ruin their rank in ranked, it was in casual bro, no freestyler plays in ranked unless they are a cch
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I think what the early freestylers were doing just became normal mechanics for pros and ssls. As more players became skilled enough to use those mechanics, freestylers had to start smurfing to produce the same level of clips. Daniel's recent goal against GenG is a great example. 5 years ago, that would have been classified as freestyling. Today, it's just a mechanical marvel in a pro match.
They just gotta get more creative man, spamming resets isnt even that hard anymore, muchless entertaining
Actually youre probably right. Doesnt justify it though, but you are indeed right xD
@@strix1616”flip resets aren’t even that hard”
Meanwhile me who can’t even aerial correctly: 👁️👄👁️
@@swift6347 once you’re able to aerial decently you can learn to flip reset pretty easily (easy for rocket league which is still hard)
When you have 2600 hours in the game its pretty easy lol @@swift6347
"You can't ban us for breaking the rules by smurfing! We have rules of our own that require us to smurf!" Hold on a sec, gotta pick up my eyes, they just rolled out of my head...
Awesome but video but I have to correct you on 3:07 the "Zen" you're referring to is Zenulous, not the professional Zen. Let's not have people saying Zen was on pulse
Everyone knows he was talking bout zenilious
@@LalaChimiAnyDayOfTheWeek bold of you to assume that
tbh i thought he was talking about the professional zen until i saw this comment
@@LalaChimiAnyDayOfTheWeekI didn't know.
@@LalaChimiAnyDayOfTheWeekI didn’t know, fuck you
@@gameknight.thump1 same for me
OG freestyling by Jhzer and MK were great. They played in their own ranks and tried to come up with cool goals. Nowadays I’d agree with the majority having high level players “clip” on someone you can see struggling to do basic mechanics is pathetic. You don’t need to drop your rank to do cool shots and tbh they make the shots a lot better watching players make smart decisions trying to save the ball. Look at Evample or Jhzer/MK recently they both grinded to SSL and made some nice 2s plays against their ranks.
jhzer and mk have been freestyling in low mmr casual lobbies since the start
That only goes so far so they have to smurf at some point, Like Evample has been doing the same freestyle shots for years now. Besides his style only works in 1s where you can freestyle regardless of rank, in 2s you couldn't do that same series. Defense just gets too good at high ranks, it's not that the freestylers don't have good enough mechanics, it's just that the defenders are too good. If you are purposely being as inefficient as possible you probably won't score. So they absolutely have to drop rank in order to hit anything more complex than what people have been hitting for years now
@@ragegaze3482Yep, and it's an actual paradox. In order to create enough time and space to freestyle you're pretty much required to be significantly better than your opponent, which means you're no longer playing at your rank. Like Vamp doing 'freestyle to SSL' is still kinda heavy smurfing but people don't complain as much because maybe they don't understand just how 'tall' SSL actually is
@@thegauntlet90 People don't complain about evample's freestyle to ssl because he actually tries to win his games. He's going for crazy shots instead of free open nets, but he's still trying to win, just with a different playstyle. There's a reason why the youtube series is seasonal, because he uses the seasonal mmr reset to be a lower rank again instead of losing 50 games in a row on purpose.
@@ragegaze3482 I don't see why this makes it necessary for them to smurf. If they want to freestyle, they simply have to commit to only freestyling on their account with party members so as to not throw. That way you never rank up far enough anyway because you're not going to win very much when freestyling, and you'll just end up with an unorthodox playstyle in a rank where you win 50/50. Either that or play casuals to freestyle.
It does suck that freestyling is dying cause of this change but when I was in lower ranks and getting alts freestyling on me very few of them were nice people. 90% of people smurfing trying to get clips get mad when your just trying to play the game then get toxic.
Yea people would still be mad at getting clipped on and not being able to do anything but most of the time I didn’t care that much I just played to win still.
Even in champ to gc you still get these high level players getting mad cause they can’t clip on you for free, then proceeding to say some horrible things.
It does suck it’s dying but at the same time I can see why.
Idk about anyone else, but personally I like watching higher ranked freestyle clips from GC or SSL more than the ones where they try do as many mechanics as possible with 100 boost or even with unlimited. It's just more fun to see what can be done against proper opponents and I see it as an even bigger flex compared to getting like 6 resets and a musty and shit like that.
Freestyle needs it's own playlist to exist.
Something like this:
Think Tony hawk's Pro Skater, but back when it was good:
You get infinite boost and it's your ball for one shot. You score points on combos, touches, Pogos, flip resets, double taps, ceiling shot etc...But other guy gets to defend his net and if you don't score you don't land it. Trade shots and at the end the guy with more banked points wins the match. It doesn't have to run on game time, it could be attempts.
I also think when Psyonix made clear freestyling in lower ranks on purpose contributed to the "fall" of freestyling, but not just falling but creating the branch of clip hitting, or competitive clip hitting, also that might have been due to pros start showing freestyle shots on highest level were a thing and that people with real skill could perform them against anyone they faced. Unless other freestylers which had the mechanics but had to go lower and lower down the ranks when aerial play defending was easier because of their lack of gamesense.
Get the popcorn lads
Ur here aswell?
To be honest. A clip against a good player is cool and a clip against some who can’t aerial is just as good as a training clip so I actually feel like this was the right decision and people just took it poorly. Counterpoint, a casual playlist should not be used to see what level you are. If they just removed skill based matching in casual then it would be fine but no game developer thinks that’s a good idea for some reason. Unfortunate.
"it's just a game"... geez... cant stress well enough how much this game means to me. freestyling was my passion, after epic bought RL from Psyonix things went down REALLY fast.. i genuinely miss Rocket League old days... it used to be so much fun...
I'm okay with smurfing, personally. I hit a GC in my gold/plat lobbies every once in awhile and it's pretty fun. I get stomped, but if i play my heart out, i can maybe score a goal or have a couple cool saves. I like the challenge & the learning experience.
That’s a cool way to look at it, can relate I love a good challenge when a pro comes into my gc2 lobbies
2 years from now: The Rise of Mouldy_Shoe - From Small Content Creator, to Rocket League Giant
Haha we’ll have to wait and see…but I like that ring of that
I still remember meeting Ganer In a random c3 game, bro had the whole lobby standing still as he hit quad resets like it was nothing
another documentary video, another W.
Here before this blows up!
Removing smurfing way more important than making freestylers happy. Rocket league is one of very few games in which everybody’s experience depends on skill-based match making.
I miss the startup freestyle Teams from early 2015 and the years following
I remember seeing some of the coolest freestyle clips ever… Then TAS came out and my mind was blown past the point of simple free styling or even what’s realistic. I thought this video would be about how TAS replaced heat of the moment talent. This video was still super dope and worth watching.
Excellent video ! I'm not a big fan of freestyling overall but you probably changed my mind
This is kinda why I stopped Freestyling and playing Rocket League all together. It’s hard these days…
Maybe they could finally add some free "content"
A Freestyle playlist
I think the problem tournaments is the expectation that players will be able to hit shots they spend 10s of hours going for, in the time span of a 15 shots. If you look at rlfx for example, these players only get 1 or 2 shots in per month with some hitting over 100 hours in that month, being able to hit a crazy shot in 15 shots just isn't enough time. The bar was set too high.
You’ve hit the nail on the head, and when u couple that with LAN pressure that players haven’t experienced at all, it’s totally understandable that they don’t all their shots all of the time.
Such a professionally made video. Thought you would have way more subs, keep up the amazing work man! 👊👏
Thanks man, with time that sub count will grow, I won’t stop till it does!
Yea 100% you're such an underrated content creator 👏
Love ur vids lol, they’re a good laugh from the sweaty rl gameplay.
Me?
@@babydreggle haha yeah
freestyling nowdays just feels pointless in a dying game. good video.
Rocket league isn’t dying, yall are overdramatic bro. shit’s still pulling almost 80 MILLION monthly players.
@@ripit.3457 i dont mean the player count. Rocket League is a timeless game and there will always be people who play it. Im talking about content creation, trading and freestyling. And how these aspects of rocket league are slowly losing popularity. Epic games kiled 1/3 of the playerbase by removing trading (these people still play but dont get on as much). And content creators seem to run out of ideas because all we get every season is an old map with grass on it. And freestyling is and will prob forever be fun, but overall I dont see the future in this game that we saw when psyonix was still around. And thats why it seems pointless to me
les goooooooo, fire vid!
banger vid man love this
Jzr really thought he could trick us into thinking he's not doing the narration
👀
freestyling is king
This deserves so many views
great video bro
When I first got into this game was right around the time when they did the Ford invitational with the Mustang and the Mach E. When was the most recent contest like this held? I saw the Pulse Thrustmaster split but nothing since. And that was a while ago now.
I know NRG did one late last year, but outside of that it’s been pretty quiet. Maybe check liquipeida for freestyle events and u can find more 👍
@@mouldy_shoe nah I think that's it, I had a bit of a look on liqui. From that one I could find a short video about it from Musty but not the full stream of the actual event.
I think if u check the vods on the official rocket league twitch it should be in there somewhere, otherwise just search up nrg freestyle comp and hopefully something comes up
@@mouldy_shoe sick I'll have a look
dude drops consistent bangers keep it up
Thanks man, more definitely to come!
Evample proves in almost every video that you can freestyle in SSL, you just need to be good at the game
ngl i dont see any issue in dropping casual MMR for it all but doing it in ranked is so trashy, like congrats you hit a triple reset on a player that doesnt even know they can double jump
Intimidate new players, people will get annoyed
Easier to say it than to experience it. When I started playing RL my first week was filled with mostly freestylers, I wasn't even at a bronze level and I was getting them in my games. All I could do at the time was sit in nets and watch them clip on me. I literally stopped playing and had no intentions of giving this game another shot, it was my friends who pushed me to continue playing it otherwise I wouldn't have endured it for as long as I did until I started playing more with players my own skill level..
So I'm willing to bet RL lost a good chunk of new players due to how common it was for them to run into freestylers.
@@MoreTickle when I first started playing I went against a few freestylers, I found it fun watching them and rooting for them to hit the shot. I was amazed at what they could do. Probably the only reason I kept playing
Some people just wanna chill. Hopping on when you can barely jump to get consistently reset on has turned off many friends I've had from starting the game.
had the opposite effect for me, made me wanna play even more and become as good as they were. i'd understand if it was almost every game against a freestyler but thats rare or it is for me at least, i rarely come up against other freestylers and you could always play ranked too@@MoreTickle
amazing vid had me hooked
LETSS GOOO PART 3!!!!!
LAN freestyling was always likely to be a disappointment, as youtube clips can be culled from hundreds of attempts into an unbroken string of perfection, but the process of generating those clips in real time is nowhere near as entertaining as the final product.
Couldn’t have said it better myself
Haven't commented in a while, BUT I'M STILL HERE, KILLIN IT🔥
Haha thx man, good to have ur support :)
it was honeslty kinda sad how people turned on freestyling like that, like would the pro scene ever have gotten to where it is without those freestylers?
they didn't turn on freestyling. Freestyling turned on them. Don't blame the victims for crying foul.
@@MontroseChloe freestyling didnt change at all though
@@Omesa1200 uh.. did you not watch the video? where it explicitly states that it changed? are you... ya know.. respectfully, are you .. dumb?
great video. I recommend getting a really good mic.
Thx, when the channel grows so will that type of equipment, but still working on mic technique haha
Still I dont see where it is a question, if Freestylers should be allowed to freestyle on players 4 ranks lower than them. Its still smurfing and if you hit a clip on a person that cant defend anyways you could alsp just freestyle in freeplay and have the same difficulty.
Nice video btw, Speech has a pretty nice voice
When you freestyle at a lower mmr, some games the freestyler wins and sometimes the other player wins. Its just that freestylers want to get down to a lower rank really fast, or have an extremely low mmr which is not good. Playing against gold players works the best as freestylers only win about 50% of the time.
@@TeamOrbitRLyes, but gold players are still hopeless against champ+ freestylers
@@cytro As I just explained they're not. They always ballchase and score against us all the time.
Minor correction/different point of view i suppose. I find it weird to say smurfing or dropping rank when its in casual. most freestylers are clipping in casual and so realistically it shouldnt mean anything. also a shame that the CCH community gets lumped in with most freestylers when we play at a high/higher level of ranked for clips because clipping on golds looks bad.
The smurfing ban was in relation to ranked, not casual, and as a CCH myself I couldn’t agree more
@@mouldy_shoe a lot of my friends got banned for having low mmr in casual not dropping ranked games btw
@pr0ptic4l I thought psyonix just adjusted ppl’s mmr like in Faith’s case, but maybe I’m wrong
@@mouldy_shoe pretty sure it was because of casual from what i understood from their tweets about it. weird that freestylers would be dropping rank in the actual ranked playlist when their already -300 cas mmr
I find it sad how freestylers are shunned upon more than 14yr SSL sweats like Cam who rage at pixels on a screen. Freestylers just wanna have fun and get shunned for it.
Freestylers wanna have fun at the expense of new players, that’s the whole issue here
They do that in casual, big deal whoopty doo. If new players want to improve then they can play ranked. And if they do play casual and encounter a freestyler, then they should just try and have fun. If I saw someone hitting crazy shots in a lobby I would be amazed, not crying over 5 minutes and pixels on a screen. First world complaining lmao.@@Pudding6714
@@hendude127that's a skill issue on your part if you can't hit clips against people who can actually hit the ball in casual
Partly yes, but you do realize that high ranked players ball chase because it's the meta. There are freestylers who can hit clips in high GC like Henkovic and Jxsh, but what freestylers really want is as many opportunities as possible to hit clips, and they get that in low lobbies. Also who cares if it's a skill issue? It's not that deep. Freestylers just want to have fun and people are creating problems, aka "ur surfing" that do not exist. It's casual for a reason. Why is there no ranking system in casual? Because mmr does not matter. You can find diamonds in 1500 mmr casual, which is gc1 in comp. RL community is just toxic and thinks everything needs to be done a certain way, "no smurfing in casual" for example, when in reality it's really not a big deal.@@cytro
@@hendude127 casual is still skill-based matchmaking, if you play at a much lower mmr it's still considered smurfing...
I already know this Is gonna be a banger
THE GOATS DONE IT again
amazing vid brother
Thanks legend ❤️❤️
The downfall is upload amount and impossible to keep hitting unique shots. Most freestylers that are top level don’t upload a whole lot. Personally my favorite freestyle videos are where they compete and horse and the rlcs freestyle cup
I think what you’re getting at can somewhat be a result of the Freestyling exodus, which has contributed to less uploads by freestylers, I love those types of vids too!
psyonix should make a freestyle pvp mode - like each player take turns and ai giving points to various tricks. It could be a totally new rank mode.
Programming an AI to make a cool ass gamemode? Bruh just buy the Jordan sking and stfu
Lol, freestyling is nowhere near popular enough for that to happen
@@cytroBruh what? JZR has more than a millon subs and everybody has ever heard about it atleast once
your documentaries are amazing man, really entertaining and i learn a lot about the game from them
Thank you, glad I could make it entertaining plus educational at the same time!
actually a rlly good video been freestyling since 2019 and seeing this was actually hella enjoyble
Thanks man, glad u liked the vid and keep freestyling!
i love freestyling ❤
I love pinches :)
Yes
hey proptical :DD
this video was so well done. Good Job!
shut up jaelo
The root cause for all of this is Rocket League's problem with smurfing. It is so easy to get a smurf account and ruin other peoples rank.
Amazing video guys turned out so well 💙💙 Mouldy the goat of Documentaires 💪🏻
Thx man, haha might have to make a few more to claim that title 😅
I play dropshot and never see these crazy freestylers where they at?
I think mainly just the normal modes, ppl haven’t caught onto Freestyling in drop shot yet…
so thats why i could airdribble when i was in the gold rank
Anyone that needs to shit on new players or bad players to appear good, deserve everything the freestyle community got. “ eating this hamburger only looks cool in front of a starving family. Doing it in front of another man with a hamburger wouldn’t work because he would block the perception that I’m wealthy and have a good hamburger “
Ez make playlist named freestyle madness
wished u wouldve talked about shimmy but still cool vid
The quote at the end was deep
great video
I know this would get hairy but why not just add a freestyle playlist? this is obviously what casual is supposed to be for, however i've been a casual sweat for years and treat it like ranked past the 1900 MMR range
Amazing
Wouldnt be surprised if epic removed freestyling
Honestly I wouldn’t be either
bro put joyos name next to zen lmfao
fall?
expected for you to shit on freestylers but honestly this was one of the best videos on the topic
Haha nah I don’t hate freestylers, tried to present it as un bias as possible :)
What about freestyling in casual. Why in rank. (No hate just asking).
The freestyling is in casual, check 8:10.
Almost no freestylers freestyle in rank. The only ones that do are competitive clip hitters. He just said rank because casual technically has a hidden rank because it's skill based matchmaking.
oms neck is kinda crazy
it's an endless cycle of bullcrap because nobody can realize the other side's points and they all just say "blah blah blah play at your own rank" without realizing that the shots we have to do take all 100 boost, tons of precision, and a perfect setup to complete the shot. And its not like we can get "crazy" shots every time, there's hundreds of fails. Doing that in any kind of competent rank is literally impossible lol. And for clips purposely hit in competitive, that's a whole different side of freestyling. In that sense, youre trying to win because it's your own rank in competitive, and the whole purpose is to outplay the other team whilst doing mechanics that are difficult to hit AT THAT RANK, not hit a crazy 8 flip reset triple musty double tap that takes 15 seconds of being in the air and easily pre-jumped, on top of most likely failing. I'm not sure why psyonix hasn't made us a mode or something yet, because there's obviously cheating in private matches & training which violate the realness of a shot. if there was a way for me to not play bronzes and have my clips be "real" still, I would do it. Its not like I get enjoyment out of trying to find a match with a bronze everyday, sometimes queuing for 20 minutes at midnight just to find another random new smurf account that ruins my setups because they need XP to smurf in ranked. I just do it so the community doesn't lash at my clip and call it fake lol, not in my control. I feel like there should me more emphasis on ranked smurfing though, because in casual you can simply just leave and move on with your day, not like the bronzes are obligated to stay in 30 minute overtimes, there is a leave match button, and you don't lose your rank. At the end of the day, there's good points on both sides, but I don't understand why there can't be a compromise mode implemented into the game for us freestylers if y'all wanna get all angry about it :p
Wah Wah I HAVE to abuse new players or I have no chance of pulling off this trick shot! So they should just be fine with letting me do whatever I want at their expense! wah wah.
Cause it's OK to ruin everyone elses experience as long as YOU get to make your clips? You're trash.
You are taking about mainstream freestyling. Freestyling rn is probably at his peak its just thay its not very popular in yhe mainstream
What makes u say it’s at its peak rn?
Oddly similar to call of duty trickshotting!
I mean it really just the rise and disastrous fall of rocket league in general
I think it’d be wrong to say RL is dying, but it certainly is in a stagnant state atm ingame.
@mouldy_shoe I don't think fall necessary means to its death, but it has fallen from its heyday and quite considerably at that.
The game itself yes, the rlcs is probably a bit different (although this season is a bit scuffed to say the least)
@mouldy_shoe Oh my god so true, this is the most strangest RLCS season I could be supporting one team and they could be great one week and the next week just incorregible. Truly interesting
who the heck is speaking that ain't my mouldy shoe
It’s another yter called “speech”
Now freestyling is just playing the game.
You forgot about the part where rocket league killed its game
Ball skins would be an easy layup for them Im shocked they haven’t started doing it already lol
Most freestylers just bakkesmod a skin onto it, but ngl developers should totally do that
honestly casual mmr deranking shouldnt be an issue. i should be able to be a 300 mmr in cas and gc3 in comp without any second thoughts specifically so i can freestyle in casual, where the game doesnt matter, but also play competitively in 2's, 3's, 1's, dropshot, hoops, etc.
all in all it does seem like psyonix made the right decision in banning players that were lowering their rank on purpose. I get its a game and if the other person is better you obviously deserve to lose, but sometimes you might still have a chance to win against these guys if they only go for clips. but when the person your up against is within the top 0.05% of players, and is so far beyond you and everyone else mechanically that you don't even have a realistic shot at even scoring 1 goal, it ruins the game, it ruins the experience, and it can cause players to leave a game. Ultimately killing it if they don't take action. ideally, the rank that displays should be as close as your "real" rank as possible. when it comes to making a game thrive, smurfing ruins things for both the game and the players. nobody wants to be on the receiving end of a smurf, it takes away any of the fun. and it also takes away from trying to learn something from that specific game because the level of play is so advanced, low elo players aren't gonna understand what they're watching or how to play against it if they've never seen anything like it. sitting there and wondering when the game will be over after you realize you lost the game before it even started. feels like wasted time. It's especially bad on League as 1 game against a smurf could be 30+ minutes wasted on a game that you were going to lose no matter what. SBBM is a great thing, high level players just don't like it cause they're used to a near 100% winrate. Smurfing is bad and should be banned. no if's and's or but's about it. people get on a game to have fun, not to be tortured by a top 1% player. top 1%, is top 1% for a reason. its like putting an NBA team against your local high school's team.
Can you make a vid about the rise and fall of white zombas?
Lemme cook
@@mouldy_shoe wait are u actually doing it?💀
Hell no 🤣
@@mouldy_shoe I guessed that lol why would u listen to me💀
i was one of the people that was banned, still dont get the issue.
I think Freestyling is cool but as somebody who is sitting mid Diamond - low Champ, I really don't think it's cool for those players to drop down to Plat / Gold ranks just to hit clips on people.
It's tough because I respect what Freestylers do and I for sure want them to continue to to have a place to do what they do, but at the same time the Ranked experience is important, and I don't think that anybody should have the right to ruin other people's game experience for the sake of showing off their skills.
If you wanna Freestyle, that's cool, but it'd be better if you did it in Champ or something. I understand that Freestylers don't want opponents who will challenge them, because they want space to hit their shots, but frankly the *point* of Freestyling is to hit shots against actual people who are actually trying to save your shots. If you want your opponents to sit back in net, you might as well just be hitting shots in Free Play.
You can't sit here and say "Freestylers need to play against actual opponents for it to be legitimate," but then turn around and expect your "actual opponents" to just let you hit shots on them over and over again. It's totally possible to Freestyle against Champs / GCs because I've seen people hit crazy shots against me / higher ranked players. To me, that seems like the ideal way to Freestyle, because you're not just hitting great shots but you're doing it against great defenders.
I don't Freestyle, so idk maybe people think that's an L take, but as a Ranked grinder, this seems to be the best solution.
I have nothing against Freestylers, but I do have a problem with smurfs.
Nah, I'm a champ freestyler and I do exactly what you say, hit decent clips in comp against people my own rank and hit even better clips in freeplay, never touched casual lol
this will simply just never work lol
@@l1bric Got an explanation why?
@@isaakvandaalen3899 i didnt wnna get all nerdy but a couple things
1. "but frankly the point of Freestyling is to hit shots against actual people who are actually trying to save your shots." if this is true explain to me how the point of every freestyle tournament ever is solely about giving freestylers the space to hit whatever shot they can
2. im not even saying that ur saying this, but people REALLY need to understand that freestylers aren't hitting clips on low mmr players in casual just because we like shitting on people who cant save our goals. i have no idea how this idea even started because it literally makes no sense. like bro i know that this random guy in casual named CoolPear293 will never save any of my good attempts, but im not doing it because i think it's cool or something to clip on people who i know stand no chance, im simply doing it because it still counts as a real game (i explain this later)
3. ive never understood how us playing in low level casual is considered as "smurfing." yes, there is casual mmr that determines who u play against, but it never gets associated with a specific rank like it does in competitive. in my understanding, smurfing is when you're playing in real games that have real stakes which could potentially ruin someone's real rank, of which there are none (ranks) in casual
4. this part is not a very strong argument but is important nonetheless: it is INCREDIBLY rare for a player to get into a game with freestylers. the ratio of regular players to freestylers is so incredibly small that most players in casual probably wont even meet a freestyler in the first place. however, ive seen multiple people claim that they "have friends who quit the game because they got freestyled on in casuaL!!!! OMG FREESTYLERS ARE SATANIC!!!!!!!" that's equivalent to me saying that i would quit the game because i lost a singular, trivial game of comp where i got smurfed on. but does that sound logical at all? (surprise, it doesnt). and, at the same time, i see so many people say that because casual players have no idea what's going on, it's morally wrong to clip on them... if they have no idea what's going on, what difference does it make if i hit a corner on them or if they get beat by other casual players? i need someone to tell me plz
5. and finally, ill address the extremely popular idea that freestylers should just hit clips in training because it makes no difference playing there than in games where the casual opponents cant defend. there are a few important facets to this, one being the fact that when playing in casual games you kind of replicate the flow of a normal game while still allowing for freestyles to spontaneously happen in the spur of the moment, adding a sort of randomness and luck element to it (while this is very subjective, and that many shots that are planned beforehand are still very good, i think many would agree that the best freestyle goals happen when the goal isnt planned out beforehand). also, if im playing in training or private matches, i can much more easily fake a clip than i could if i had played in a real match, especially with the tools available these days. another thing that isnt as important but is still important is that if im playing in training and i hit a clip, that eliminates the possibility of me saving the replay file for the clip, allowing me to go back and record that shot without the HUD on. yes, i could shadowplay it, but almost every official freestyle montage released in the past 2893 years has been made by using rocket league's surprisingly good replay system. YES I KNOW U CAN SAVE REPLAYS IN PRIVATE MATCHES, BUT I OFTEN FIND MYSELF HITTING MORE CLIPS SPONTANEOUSLY IN TRANING/CUSTOM TRAINING THAN I DO IN PRIVATE MATCHES!!!L>>>>
to be honest with you, as long as freestyling exists, this problem will never get fully resolved, and freestylers will always hit clips in casual just how CSGO clip hitters will always use cheats to hit clips in game, but i suppose it helps to try and justify it rather than just forcing people to accept it. that being said, i know the arguments above are at times very subjective, but i still think many of them apply even if people try to argue they don't.
yap session over.
@@l1bric I think a lot of those arguments don't invalidate my own argument.
Most of your points are related to freestyling in Casual gamemodes - I really don't have a serious problem with this. While in a perfect world sure I think it'd be nice if every low-level casual game was filled with genuinely low-level players, I also agree that when people queue for Casual games they're doing so with the understanding that whatever they're getting into shouldn't be taken too seriously.
I very regularly play against high Champs, GCs and even the odd SSL in my Casual games and while usually they handily beat me, I'm not out here complaining about smurfs in Casuals.
My problem isn't with people who Freestyle in Casual playlists, my problem is with people who Freestyle against casual players in Ranked playlists.
As I said in an earlier comment, my perspective here is as somebody who mostly grinds ranked. That's where most of the value in RL lies for me, and it's what I'm most concerned about.
Also to address your point 1. Freestyle tournaments are obviously different to queuing online games.
In Freestyle tournaments there are a set of expectations that each competitor has, which are very different to the expectations that a Gold 3 has when they Q a game of Ranked 1v1s.
As for your point 2. I agree that Freestyling is not the same as Smurfing - but you can do both at once!
While I appreciate that most smurfs aren't trying to ruin the experience for others, when you play against very low MMR opponents, that's effectively what you're doing.
Once again, I'm talking about Ranked here. If you want to ball out in Casuals and just do whatever, that's totally cool man.
Crazy
I was glad they got banned. I only have respect for freestylers like evample and similar
ima freestyler and this sucks man...
screw freestyle friday i want f2 back but fr i think freestyling is dying because the game itself has gotten boring with nothing being added and nothing to work towards also people do not realize sometimes these shots you see take days to do and are not possible in matches if the opponent is even a tiny bit competent
Pretty sure zen was never on pulse but good video
it was a guy called zenulous
He wasn’t on pulse, however he was involved in freestyle tournaments
I feel like it's just casual. Making casual leaving ban you also really ruined it for me. But it still makes absolutely no sense to freestyle against new players just let people freestyle by themselves alone. Psyonix should have some kind of proofing mechanism or gamemode that lets viewers of clips know it's the real deal
Epik
Boo hoo freestylers. Your clips should be done on bots or someone your own rank. No one cares if you can do it on a bronze.
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dude i got banned for a month today because i said mean things in chat. sorry i just need a comment section to rant. like epic really out here losing players everyday and banning the people that play the game. like not even a chat ban just a whole game ban like why.
That’s rough, feel free to always vent in the comment section haha
maybe you should reflect on your actions and not cry about the consequences from them but instead better yourself and stop saying hate/slur/abusive comments in game. Use this as a means to become a better person.
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Ion een freestyle fa free ™️
so ez just make a game mode for freestylers and only freestylers, they can freestyle vs another frestylers and thats it but the game is diying, the community is diying sooo, nvm
this whole video if full of miss information